Presbyterian Church Uses Islamists for Interfaith Study

The Presbyterian Church (USA) is updating its 2010 study, ““Toward an Understanding of Christian-Muslim Relations,” which was prompted by “alarming anti-Muslim statements and actions.” The 2-million member church partnered with Islamist groups for the project and its website promotes U.S. Muslim Brotherhood entities as interfaith partners.

The listed advisors for the study include Naeem Baig, president of the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) and Farhanahz Eliz of the All Dulles Area Muslim Society (ADAMS) Center, a mosque led by the president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). A 1991 U.S. Muslim Brotherhood memo lists ISNA and ICNA among “our organizations and the organizations of our friends.” ISNA was labeled by the government as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation trial and U.S. Muslim Brotherhood entity.

Another advisor was Ghulam Haider Aasi of American Islamic College. The chairman of the board of trustees is Dr. Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, the Secretary-General of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. Its advisory board includes Ahmed Rehab of the Chicago chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations and Kifah Mustapha of the Mosque Foundation. CAIR and Mustapha are also unindicted co-conspirators that were listed as part of the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee. The president of the Mosque Foundation, Oussama Jamal, is also on the advisory board.

The study’s bibliography cites Tariq Ramadan, the grandson of the Muslim Brotherhood’s creator; Dr. John Esposito, one of the top allies of the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood network and Ingrid Mattson, former ISNA president, described by the authors as an “excellent and readable scholar.” She is also on the International Institute of Islamic Thought’s Council of Scholars, another group mentioned in the 1991 memo.

The Presbyterian Mission Agency’s “interfaith links of interest” include CAIR, ICNA, ISNA and the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), a group founded by Muslim Brotherhood ideologues that has opposed the designations of Hamas and Hezbollah as Foreign Terrorist Organizations.

An e-mail sent to an address on the Presbyterian Mission Agency’s website was not returned.

The Presbyterian Church (USA) also whitewashed Imam Zaid Shakir and Zaytuna College in a book it published titled, “The Search for Truth About Islam: A Christian Pastor Separates Fact from Fiction” by Reverend Ben Daniel. The book “explores what he calls ‘the American cult of fear,’ particularly as it relates to the rise of Islamophobia in the United States.”

The book says that Zaytuna College, which Shakir is a founder and co-chairman of, is “filling an important niche in American higher education.” The reader is not told about his history of extremism, which includes preaching that a new Caliphate is needed to wage jihad with “weaponry against the enemies of Islam.” Instead, readers are left with the impression that Shakir is a living rebuttal to all the negative stereotypes that moderate Muslims must contend with.

What begins as an interfaith partnership often becomes a political partnership. In July 2012, the Presbyterian Church Office of Public Witness and other Christian groups came to the defense of ISNA, MPAC and Huma Abedin, the State Department appointee with Islamist links. The Presbyterian Church was offended that Rep. Michele Bachmann and four other congressmen had raised concerns about the Brotherhood links of these organizations and individuals.

The Presbyterian Church (USA) and its Islamic interfaith partners have also made common cause when it comes to Israel. The Church almost voted in favor of divestment from Israel last summer, winning praise from the director of ISNA’s Office of Interfaith Relations, Sayyid Syeed. He was previously recorded in 2006 saying, “Our job is to change the constitution of America.”

Its Israel-Palestine Mission Network endorsed the “No Blank Check for Israel” rally on January 19. It is a member of the Interfaith Boycott Coalition, the faith-based wing of the U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation. The Interfaith Boycott Coalition supported the boycott of SodaStream because it is based in an Israeli settlement in the West Bank.

The revised study is scheduled to be presented during the 221st General Assembly in 2014. The current version states that Presbyterians are called to “identify and speak out against bigotry, prejudice, discrimination, and violence against Islam and Muslim peoples of all cultures, especially in the United States.”

This may be a laudable goal, but we’ve seen how these groups use “Islamophobia” as a weapon against their critics. When Rep. Bachmann and her colleagues confronted these groups, they responded by deploying the Presbyterian Church and their other interfaith partners. They were criticized as paranoid and bigoted.

The Islamists want to make the church their “Islamophobia” police and undermine American-Christian support for Israel. And they are making progress.

This article was sponsored by the Institute on Religion and Democracy.

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  • Chezwick

    The one saving grace in all this is that membership in mainline Protestant Churches continues to decline year after year.

    • Ammanius

      Declining membership is of little consequence and if kept within reason benefits them. The leadership of these churches have been captured by progressive thinkers who now control their considerable tax free stock and other investment portfolios. Fewer conservative members to question their actions allows them greater latitude to promote their agenda. It is part of the Gramsci influenced technique of undermining from within.

      • Chezwick

        I beg to differ. A Church that represents hundreds of millions has significantly more clout than a church that represents hundreds of thousands.

      • Winston

        It is not just one errant and apostate pseudo-Christian denomination, but the amalgamation of multiples of errant and apostate pseudo-Christian denominations coupled with the Roman Catholic cult along with the socialist-leaning evangelicals which is very consequential to the demise of what Christ's Church is supposed to be. The socialists "wormed" their way into the Church by getting church leadership to be accepting of the social gospel: homosexuality, lesbianism, women in the priesthood, women as church elders and deacons, etc.. all which are counter to God's directives in the Scriptures. As Acts 17:11 states, "be as a Berean and search the Scriptures to prove what I say to be true for yourselves." If manmade doctrine does not square perfectly with the Scriptures then it is NOT Christian but is a sectarian cult.

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    When is the Presbyterian Church (USA) going to Mecca, wearing symbols and professing their faith to passersby?

  • AdinaK

    Alas, "inter-faith dialogue" and its nexus to Islamic supremacists. Where to begin…

    NOT to be lost in this discussion is the untold damage accrued due to this "leading lady" and surrogates, as she peddles her wares to "Liberal" churches hither and yon –

    The same anti-Israel venom spewed at these churches are directed at the "Big Satan", even as these churches use their tax exempt status to support said views. Intrinsically, these same Islamic hydras are equally tax exempt! Imagine that….but there are remedies within the above.

    Adina Kutnicki, Israel

  • SSmith

    More Christians who do not understand Christianity, let alone Islam, let alone history, let alone learn from it.Thus it is doomed to repeat itself.

    • Drakken

      And those false christians deserve their fate, traitors all.

  • Chanameel

    Someone should explain to the Presbyterians

    that Jesus was an Orthodox Jew and a Master Kabbalist in Healing.

    And for the Baptists, John the Baptist was an Orthodox Jew and a Master Kabbalist in the practice of

    mikveh or baptism.

    Any interfaith dialogue should be done by prayer.

    Pray that the Light of the Creator touches the darkness in their souls


    just as they prayed for the Soul of America.(September 2009) in a Day of Prayer Washington, DC

    We can pray to take control over the Soul of Islam or over evil.

    After all this is really in the end a battle for our souls.

    • κατεργάζομαι

      Replying to Chanameel ..RE: (QUOTE) "Someone should explain to the Presbyterians that Jesus was an Orthodox Jew and a Master Kabbalist in Healing."

      Someone should explain to you that your (above) comment(s) and information is insane!

    • κατεργάζομαι

      Neither Kabbalah nor New Age rest in historical facts, nor in historical events that can be verified so as to support any of their wild interpretations.

      Chanameel's and Madonna's Kabbalah is difficult to categorize because it is SO subjective, and a purely non-falsifiable belief system. In other words, "truth" rests purely in their own non-verifiable philosophy, not in historic fact.

      Kabbalah is….sort of like pinning JELL-O to a wall.

      Chanameel (quote) "Someone should explain to the Presbyterians that………"

      ~(quote) "Jesus was an Orthodox Jew and a Master Kabbalist in Healing. "

      That is TOTAL nonsense. However, unlike the Gospels, – Kabbalistic literature is full of philosophical mumbo-jumbo, unverifiable and subjective ideas, and words that are strung together in such a way as to appear to be semi-coherent.

      The problem is that Kabbalah contradicts the Bible. Therefore, it is not true.

      Kaballah views reality based upon subjective, experiential interpretations. such as:

      "Pray that the Light of the Creator touches the darkness in their souls"

    • κατεργάζομαι

      Apostasy is rampant within the evangelical church today. At a certain point in the future, there will be a total rejection of biblical Christianity, succeeded by the religion of the Antichrist; it will maintain a veneer of Christianity that will prove acceptable to all religions.

      Chanameel and MADONNA's Kabbalah shall join in the final deception that is prophesied.

      As society moves further and further away from God it moves closer to the lies of GOD's enemy.

      Kabbalah is just such a lie. It teaches a mystical way of thinking about the universe, God, and people.

      It teaches reincarnation, karma, inner divinity, and subjective philosophies that have no way of being verified. But its irrationality hasn't stopped it from becoming popular.

  • κατεργάζομαι

    Apostasy is rampant within the evangelical church today. At a certain point in the future, there will be a total rejection of biblical Christianity, succeeded by the religion of the Antichrist; it will maintain a veneer of Christianity that will prove acceptable to all religions.

    This perversion of Christianity doesn’t just suddenly happen. The deception process began long ago and various aspects of this apostate religion have and will continue to ensnare many believers throughout its development.

    In the First Epistle of Paul to Timothy, 2000 years ago……

    Timothy was charged to oppose False Teachers:

    1 Timothy 4 -"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

  • JerryJ26

    Fools, they know not what they do.

    • Winston

      Another appropriate Scripture is "there are those who do right in their own eyes, but it leads to destruction".

  • RAS

    As a lifelong member (no longer active) and former officer of the Presbyterian Church I can testify that this outfit ran off the road some time ago. Their seduction by the secular Left began in the sixties and they have continued down hill ever since. It is not just about Islam, that's just their latest craze. In my opinion, the General Assembly is a farce. If they don't get the desired politically correct result they will just circumvent what they do get. Talk about lost sheep.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    All of the main stream Churches have been subverted by leftists and that the Presbyterian
    Chrurch is tripping over it's hammer and syckle to grasp Islam is no surprise, this Church
    is lost to Christ, trading Scripture for self serving distortions of truth that lead away from
    Christianity and embracing darkness. The apostacy is predicted for these times and for
    those who keep up and watch the Prophecys being fulfilled they are not surprised but dismayed.
    Ignorance first and the consequences of feel good ideas lead downward behind false

  • Winston

    There is no doubt in my mind that this is a partial start to the fulfilling of Biblical prophecy where there will be a one-world religion (along with a one-world government and one-world economy). Those leading the advent of the "super Church" will be Roman Catholics, mainstream denominations, and liberal evangelical pastors/churches. They will ultimately start persecuting the Biblical Christians who while take "church" underground and hold secret meetings in their homes. Are you ready for the Great Falling Away and the persecution of the True Chruch?

    • WilliamJamesWard

      I surely hope Biblical Christians take to the street corners and shout out the Word so that
      the ignorant and clueless can understand thier plight. Mercy and Grace will engender the
      strength necessary to stand up to persecution, it is going on now in America by leftist
      and-Christs who use all thier bag of tricks to ridicule, demean, scandalize, falsify
      and fashion and uncool image of Christians and Jews. For those who believe in God
      and stand for religious freedom, they must believe and act in the conviction that
      the Almighty is working with power through them…….time is short……………..William

      • κατεργάζομαι

        Replying to WilliamJamesWard (quote) "I surely hope Biblical Christians take to the street corners and shout out the Word so that the ignorant and clueless can understand thier plight."

        William, No matter how commendable the goal of such tactics, there is not one example in the entire Bible of political or social activism ever being advocated or used by God's people. (see Romans)

        There are increasing numbers of Christians engaging in social and political "activism" for the astonishing purpose of attempting to coerce an ungodly society into adopting Christian standards of conduct.

        The founder of this site is a man I respect and share a like Soteriology (his anti-Calvinism is for another time) I (we) have lifted him in prayer and financially supported him for 30 years. He was called home this week after a 60-plus marriage to Ruth.

        He is always gifted in his presentation. You might find this article a Biblical tutorial.

        Christian Activism: Is It Biblical?

        One can appreciate his prescience in this 25-year old article.

        Winston – good take. (April 10th, I just may be "preaching to the choir")

        • WilliamJamesWard

          "Not one example in the entire Bible of….." I consider how Jonah felt not wanting to
          go to Ninevah, big fish later he was on the streets of Ninevah shouting out warnings
          of the Lord. Paul traveling the streets of many Cities preaching, even in prison.
          I remember stopping one evening on a corner in Times Square back in the mid "60's
          to listen to a team of preachers on a small platform preaching form the Bible, there
          were many who did listen, it stayed with me and was a witness for my life change
          down the road. It may be that our ideas of activism differ, if it is in numbers Jesus sent
          his disciples out two by two and He taught with a great following. There are two
          witnesses coming according to the Bible that will preach all over for three and
          a half years, I am sure they will do well. I receive thebereancall……..daily.
          Thank you…………………William

          • κατεργάζομαι

            Replying to WilliamJamesWard re: "It may be that our ideas of activism differ"

            My quote was….."there is not one example in the entire Bible of political or social activism ever being advocated or used by God's people. (see Romans) "

            I specified political or social activism, not evangelizing (preaching the Gospel) which we are commanded to do.

            Rather, I am affirming that our Biblical hermeneutics, which is the study of the principles of interpretation is greatly at odds. As is our exegetics (the science of interpretation of the Scriptures.) IF you claim that Christians are Biblically instructed to partake in political/social activism.

            Hopefully our Soteriology is compatible.

            "Christian activism" is not Christian. It is not Biblical.

            It represents a detour from the straight path the church is to walk before the world. It can confuse the real issues, lead to compromise and unholy alliances, and divert time and effort that would better be used in proclaiming the gospel.

            We are to weigh the demands upon our time and set priorities. Be fully engaged in rescuing souls for eternity.

            Take care and I hope that puts my posts in context. thanks.

  • Cindy

    If Christianity's influence from Christians on the ground in the Middle East hasn't resulted in anything but persecution and death… why is it a good idea to fail to share the gospel with muslims here and instead welcome them in the churches unevangelized?

    • defcon 4

      Because interfaith Christian-muslime outreach programs are a one-way street. Muslimes spew their lies to Christian congregations all the live-long day, but Christian ministers aren't allowed to address muslime congregations in their mosques.

      • M.J.

        Ecclesiastes 10:2&3 seems to sum up these liberal so-called Christians. 2. The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. 3. Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is. (NIV)

        • defcon 4

          I remember a Christian woman I respected said something to the effect of Iranian muslimes tell me Jesus is held holy by muslimes as well. When I told her the islamic Jesus, Issa, is a genocidal psychopath come back to the earth to break the cross and slaughter everyone who doesn't convert to islam I get the distinct feeling she didn't believe me.

    • Winston

      Many pseudo-Christians have bought into the concept of "universality"… all roads lead to God. It's a lie straight from the pit of hell.

  • Brujo Blanco

    Jesus was a Jew. The Last Supper was a Passover activity. Would Jesus approve of the activities of he PCUSA?

    • Winston

      Yes, Jesus was a genetic Jew (through Mary) and he did celebrate the Feasts, but he was not a Pharisee (legalist) or Sadducee (political). These two "parties" served in the Great Sanhedrin, a kind of Jewish Supreme Court made up of 71 members whose responsibility was to interpret civil and religious laws. It is somewhat believed that Jesus was of the Essenes which were viewed as the "righteous" and they countered the Pharisees and Sadducees and emerged out of disgust with the other two. This sect believed the others had corrupted the city and the Temple. And Jesus exemplified this when he visited the Temple and overturned the tables of the moneychangers and ran them out of the Temple grounds with a whip.

      • Mike

        Jesus Christ was not a disciple of men, or of any movement. He was God incarnate, The Son of God. He needed no one to teach him the Law, or what His purpose was on earth. No, he was no Essense, nor Pharisee, or any other faction. His purpose was much higher than any man's goals.

      • defcon 4

        From what I understand the moneychanges were all about facilitating the exchange of foreign currencies (for foreign Jews visiting the Temple) for local currency to donate to the Temple. What's so wrong about that? The moneychangers weren't doing business inside the Temple itself (the Temple Mount is huge and now has not one, but TWO mosques built on top of it).

  • Sarah

    wow. y'all are crazy.

    • SSmith

      Don't tell us, you agree with this interfaith stuff ??
      Even though it never happened before…..try getting the different protestant denominations round the table decades ago, let alone with RC's and certainly not other faiths.
      What has changed, why this surge to be interfaith Christians, and with Islam our historic enemy who took over the whole of the ME and further abroad with the sword quoting their prophet of war?
      Tolerate them and treat them well,yes as Christians we must, ( and we do far too much in fact as their demands are always met !) but we cannot and must not pray with them. There are dire warnings in the Bible about this idolatry, and our mission is to spread the Gospel of PEACE not submit to any other religion and it's anti-Christian creeds.
      Islam does not believe Jesus is the Son of God,neither that he was crucified or resurrected !! (Catholics do that by the way, to bring things into perspective)
      Sort of takes the wind out of the sails and we are left with some lovey dovey "lets be popular and never critical" watered down Gospel for all
      Worshipping the "same God"
      Well Allah is NOT MY GOD Never was and never will be.


      Lay down the crack pipe.

    • defcon 4

      Then move to ANY islamofascist state toots! Better make sure to pack a burka!

  • JacksonPearson

    "The Presbyterian Church (USA) is updating its 2010 study, ““Toward an Understanding of Christian-Muslim Relations,” which was prompted by “alarming anti-Muslim statements and actions.”

    There's nothing to be gained by having Christian and Muslim interfaith activities. Islam will want to dominate, and the stupid Presbyterians will become de facto Dhimmis.

    • Nanis

      Islam will always want to dominate. Look at other countries wich have done interfaith teachings they take over catholic schools.

    • Lady_Dr

      Will become? Will become? They already are Dhimmis. A curse be on them and on Allah.

  • Softly Bob

    I do believe that the late great Ronald Reagan was a Presbyterian. He must be spinning in his grave.

  • Arlie

    Interfaithism is another gateway to the one world government.

  • A Christian Activist

    In Defense of Christian Activism by John M. Frame
    Kennedy and Newcombe in “What If Jesus Had Never Been Born” emphasize that Christians, for distinctively Christian motives, have vastly influenced western culture in such areas as help for the poor, the abolition of slavery, teaching of literacy, education for all, political freedom, economic freedom, science, medicine, the family, the arts, the sanctity of life. Without Jesus, without his Gospel, without the influence of his people, all these areas of culture would be vastly different and very much worse.

    Scripture tells us not only to rescue people from Hell by preaching the gospel, but also to care for the poor, the orphan and the widow. It calls us to “do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith” (Gal. 6:10). It calls us not only to bring people to faith and baptism, but also to teach them “to observe all that I have commanded you” (Matt. 28:20), which includes the pursuit of mercy and justice among human beings.
    As God’s Spirit penetrates people’s hearts through the gospel, those people become new creatures (2 Cor. 5:17). They take their faith into every sphere of life, including the workplace, politics, economics, education, and the arts. And in all these realms, they seek to glorify God. They hear Paul’s exhortation in 1 Cor. 10:31, “whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.” They obey, imperfectly to be sure. But their incipient obedience leads to significant changes in society. In time, Scripture teaches, the kingdoms of this world are to become the kingdom of Christ (Rev. 11:15). So the gospel certainly is a political movement. That is not to say that Christians should seek political power by the sword. But they should never imagine that their faith is politically irrelevant.

    In time, Christians came to have more and more direct influence on society and its institutions. The Kennedy-Newcombe volume and others trace these influences. Democracy is also a product of Christian thought and influence.

    • κατεργάζομαι

      UN-Biblical Apostasy is rampant within the evangelical & Reformed church today.

      At a certain point in the future, there will be a total rejection of biblical Christianity, succeeded by the religion of the Antichrist;

      It will maintain a veneer of Christianity that will prove acceptable to all religions.

      • κατεργάζομαι

        Replying to (unregistered) A Christian Activist's jejune Cut & Paste's Opening sentence:

        (QUOTE) "Kennedy and Newcombe – – “What If Jesus Had Never Been Born”"

        A: Then the Bible, that these three blind scribes claim to support; is a total LIE.

        Case Closed!

        Over 200 fulfilled Old Testament prophesies ushered in the Life of Jesus 2000 years ago!

        Far more Bible Prophesies (Old Testament, and New Testament) cite Jesus' RETURN.

        If Jesus was never born; the Bible and its hundreds of prophecies are a LIE.

        The early church found itself in a battle for its theological life, as this heresy rose up and persuaded many that Christ was a spirit-being and had not truly come in the flesh, or truly died on the cross.

        Paul's epistle to the Colossians is a strong refutation of this ancient heresy, and serves as a continual warning to believers throughout the ages to,

        "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, following the tradition of men according to the rudiments of the world, and not in accordance with Christ."
        (Colossians 2:8).

        Oh! Note the copy and paste's conspicuous dearth of any proof texts in exegetical context!

    • defcon 4

      I wonder if it can't be said that Christian thought isn't a by-product of the teachings of Rabbi Hillel.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        "I wonder if it can't be said that Christian thought isn't a by-product of the teachings of Rabbi Hillel."

        Hillel was the original author, or was he inspired by Moses and the prophets that followed?

  • Christian Activist

    Part 2 of in Defense of Christian Activism
    Under democracy, citizens have power, whether they want it or not, to effect changes in the leadership and policies of a nation. The above arguments suggest that Christians would be foolish not to participate in this process. And it goes without saying that Christians should vote, not according to the godless ideologies of the secular world, but according to the standards of the word of God. And when that happens, even more transformations take place in society.
    Many fundamentalists would have us abandon our social responsibility and
    just preach the simple gospel. But Christian activism, remember, is simply the
    attempt of Christians to improve the general society. Should we merely take a passive stance, waiting for God to deal with social evils, rather than seeking to
    alleviate using resources, gifts and talents God has bestowed upon us? Scripture never draws this sort of conclusion. The sovereignty of God never excludes human responsibility in this way.
    Should we support every political movement that calls itself Christian? Certainly not. But that does not refute the possibility that some such movements may be worthy of Christian support.
    Christian political action is simply applying the principles of Scripture to political life sanctity of truth and life, the integrity of the family, protection of property, and so on. Christians should not hold these principles in the church and deny them in their public life. Of course, there are legitimate areas of debate as to precisely what policies constitute applications of Scripture. But these debates do not invalidate the attempt to apply Scripture to society. In principle, it is no more difficult to apply Scripture to social issues than to apply it to issues of church doctrine and government.
    So I urge Christians to bring the standards of the word of God to bear on matters of culture and politics, as well as matters that are more narrowly theological.
    Abraham Kuyper, the great Dutch statesman, theologian, and journalist. Kuyper of course made the famous statement that there is no square inch of territory in the whole universe over which Christ does not say “this is mine.”
    Cornelius Van Til, who taught apologetics at Westminster Seminary in Philadelphia for many years maintained that the Bible “speaks about everything” and encouraged his students and readers to apply the Scriptures to every sphere of life. He would quote scriptures such as I Corinthians 10:31 and 2 Corinthians 10:5.
    31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.
    5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

    He emphasized that the real issues in every sphere of human activity were religious.
    In the Kuyperian view, all the ills of society are essentially religious. They stem from people worshiping false gods. Either sinners worship the gods of some pagan ideology, or they give primacy to their own autonomous thought. It is such false religion that leads to war, violence, disdain for the poor, abortion, adultery, divorce, and homosexuality.

    In the general society as well as in the church, Christians should settle for nothing less than the comprehensive lordship of Jesus Christ. He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. By his word and Spirit, by his love, and by wise use of the means available to us, we seek to exalt him, not only in the church, but in the whole world.

  • Drakken

    Well one bright spot in the mess we are in, in Burma at least the buddist have had enough and are starting to put it to the muslims.

    • defcon 4

      It seems like Buddhists in other countries are being murdered by muslimes because of the actions of Burmese Buddhists (and all power to them for doing so).

  • Beth

    The Koran calls the Son of God an abomination and all of his eye-witnesses (the apostles) liars (by one lone acusser who wasn't even there with them – offering no proof – but his own say-so).

    Koran: 009.030 – 037.151 – 037.152 – 019.088 – 019.089

    If the Presbyterians (or any other self-proclaiming Christian) joins in with Muslims – who then – is their Lord?

    You can not sit at the table that calls the Son an abomination – AND – sit at the Son's table too. Regardless of whether a person blieves or not, the magnitude of the hypocrisy of such an observation is either laughable (for non-believers) or shocking beyond-words (for believers). Is it not?

  • Bre

    NOTE: This is Presbyterian USA, which went by the liberal waste side long ago. This is not about Presbyterian of AMERICA, which is the conservative denomination that broke away from the limbs long ago.