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	<title>Comments on: The Israeli Left&#8217;s Hypocritical Campaign for Universal Military Service</title>
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		<title>By: Milhouse</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jul 2013 13:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS: You probably also believe that his daughters wore tefillin.  Another fairy tale invented in the late 19th or early 20th century.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: You probably also believe that his daughters wore tefillin.  Another fairy tale invented in the late 19th or early 20th century.</p>
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		<title>By: Milhouse</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jul 2013 18:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wrong.  There is no basis at all for this unfortunately common belief.   There &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; direct evidence, from his own correspondence, that he made his living from his yeshivah, exactly as did the Geonim of Bavel.  That is why he too was referred to as a Gaon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong.  There is no basis at all for this unfortunately common belief.   There <i>is</i> direct evidence, from his own correspondence, that he made his living from his yeshivah, exactly as did the Geonim of Bavel.  That is why he too was referred to as a Gaon.</p>
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		<title>By: Ari</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ari]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jul 2013 18:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wrong.  Rashi earned his own living as operator of vinyards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong.  Rashi earned his own living as operator of vinyards.</p>
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		<title>By: Milhouse</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 17:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Rambam worked for his living, though only after his brother died.  Rashi did not; he was a professional rosh yeshivah, just like the Geonim in Bavel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Rambam worked for his living, though only after his brother died.  Rashi did not; he was a professional rosh yeshivah, just like the Geonim in Bavel.</p>
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		<title>By: PhillipGaley</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 18:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which, when stripped of all it&#039;s flowery prose comes down to:  &quot;By any means fair or foul, to avoid taxation or sharing the burden of purpose for common benefit or survival&quot;; but, sloth and mendicancy is not so easily painted as otherwise. 
 
While slavery had to be put to an end if for nothing else than its consequential limitation against the natural incentive to work, to produce, to build, and to provide for, first in those affected and thence against the entire society, in any society, the fact of weak conscience in the group who wish others always&#8212;and in all ways&#8212;to pay the freight is reflective of characteristic moral inability in the whole, for reasons of economic and social class structure&#8212;Mexico is one example, but various individual examples show up, too&#8212;was it Dan Qualye who received a National Guard appointment in avoidance of front-line service?  But, there are many others, the actual problem having more to do with sense of values not transpired in proper parenting and in the educational process. 
 
But even before, in failing to convey sense of worth in what our Society is about, the religious thinkers let down their share of the load in leadership&#8212;we have nothing worth protecting in force of arms, nothing worth passing on to our children, no purpose worthy of consideration, . . . 
 
I would marvel to know just how a few self-deluded religionists are to be correctly held as owning the limelight for self-serving refuseniks when nearly an entire Mandarin system of policitians and bureaucrats lead the way, . . . 
 
I would say that, these exemptions for conscience should be allowed, and upon th e reason that, while those who employ it are comparable to &quot;the canary in the coal mine&quot; for power over one&#039;s own creativity, they are of sufficient mental power also, to look at a slice of bread and then know which side has the butter&#8212;when a society removes the limitations to incentive in human productivity, there will be so very few remaining who seek refuge in spurious delusion, . . . 
 
And in consideration of the eighth paragraph, money does not hold nearly so large a part in creating jobs, as do ideas and inspiration&#8212;money merely follows in tow, . . . ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which, when stripped of all it&#039;s flowery prose comes down to:  &quot;By any means fair or foul, to avoid taxation or sharing the burden of purpose for common benefit or survival&quot;; but, sloth and mendicancy is not so easily painted as otherwise. </p>
<p>While slavery had to be put to an end if for nothing else than its consequential limitation against the natural incentive to work, to produce, to build, and to provide for, first in those affected and thence against the entire society, in any society, the fact of weak conscience in the group who wish others always&mdash;and in all ways&mdash;to pay the freight is reflective of characteristic moral inability in the whole, for reasons of economic and social class structure&mdash;Mexico is one example, but various individual examples show up, too&mdash;was it Dan Qualye who received a National Guard appointment in avoidance of front-line service?  But, there are many others, the actual problem having more to do with sense of values not transpired in proper parenting and in the educational process. </p>
<p>But even before, in failing to convey sense of worth in what our Society is about, the religious thinkers let down their share of the load in leadership&mdash;we have nothing worth protecting in force of arms, nothing worth passing on to our children, no purpose worthy of consideration, . . . </p>
<p>I would marvel to know just how a few self-deluded religionists are to be correctly held as owning the limelight for self-serving refuseniks when nearly an entire Mandarin system of policitians and bureaucrats lead the way, . . . </p>
<p>I would say that, these exemptions for conscience should be allowed, and upon th e reason that, while those who employ it are comparable to &quot;the canary in the coal mine&quot; for power over one&#039;s own creativity, they are of sufficient mental power also, to look at a slice of bread and then know which side has the butter&mdash;when a society removes the limitations to incentive in human productivity, there will be so very few remaining who seek refuge in spurious delusion, . . . </p>
<p>And in consideration of the eighth paragraph, money does not hold nearly so large a part in creating jobs, as do ideas and inspiration&mdash;money merely follows in tow, . . . </p>
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		<title>By: Answer to Dumbkopf</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 17:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course if Israel does NOT have conscription, the Arab fascists will destroy the country and conduct a second Holocaust of Jews, but forcing people to serve in the military in times of war is a far worse infringement on autonomy and individual choice.  That is what you are saying? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course if Israel does NOT have conscription, the Arab fascists will destroy the country and conduct a second Holocaust of Jews, but forcing people to serve in the military in times of war is a far worse infringement on autonomy and individual choice.  That is what you are saying? </p>
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		<title>By: tickletik</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 15:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Forcing people to work against their will is slavery.  Forcing a man to risk his life against his conscience is tyranny.   
 
I am utterly unimpressed with your argument, which when stripped of all it&#039;s flowery prose comes down to   &quot;I want it so they must do it.&quot; 
 
The religious parties today are stronger than they were in &#039;48.  In &#039;48 the state was on a high, it was run by amoral socialists who did what they pleased and the popularity of the Israeli government were at an all time high both with the Gentiles and with the Jews.   It was in this climate that you and yours failed so utterly and spectacularly at forcing your fellow Jews to submit to your will with regard to a draft. 
 
Now we are in a very different age.  The army does not need these conscripts, you do not have any popularity anywhere, the religious parties are far more powerful now than ever before, and unlike the last time you tried this stunt, your country is split in two regarding nationalistic aspirations, with half the youth looking to exit. 
 
Here is what you will achieve with your stubbornness:  Netzach Yehuda will disband because the youths currently going there will regard you as attempting shmad.  It doesn&#039;t matter how YOU regard it, this is how THEY will regard it.  So that&#039;s the only ultra-orthodox combat unit disbanding.  This is coming from the Rabbi in charge of that unit, not me. 
 
All those Kollel men who were going as jobnikim, gone.  They will now refuse to fulfill needed roles in tech and support which they were very well suited for given their intense study. 
 
All those pre-kollel youth who were joinging the army because it suited their character to work as mechanics,etc, also gone.  They will now refuse as a matter of principle.  Those who would still like to go, will no longer get the quiet permission of the community. 
 
Meanwhile, you will also implement &quot;economic penalties&quot;, in english it means you will drive that community into poverty.  Creating another underclass of people with an effect that will ripple out and cause those who do business with that community to suffer.  Those religious philanthropists who have the money will now use that money to fill the void you&#039;ve created instead of using that excess money to create jobs. 
 
And if you decide to start jailing people, then we can expect riots, more chaos, more damage, as well as the costs of putting men in prison when they could be doing something useful. 
 
And what do you get from all this?  What is your big accomplishment?  What is your payoff for the economic, political, and social chaos, not to mention outright hatred and civil strife you will have created at a very dangerous moment for all of us? 
 
You get to put your boot down on the neck of the one group of people on the planet somewhat weaker than you. 
 
Congratulations. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forcing people to work against their will is slavery.  Forcing a man to risk his life against his conscience is tyranny.   </p>
<p>I am utterly unimpressed with your argument, which when stripped of all it&#039;s flowery prose comes down to   &quot;I want it so they must do it.&quot; </p>
<p>The religious parties today are stronger than they were in &#039;48.  In &#039;48 the state was on a high, it was run by amoral socialists who did what they pleased and the popularity of the Israeli government were at an all time high both with the Gentiles and with the Jews.   It was in this climate that you and yours failed so utterly and spectacularly at forcing your fellow Jews to submit to your will with regard to a draft. </p>
<p>Now we are in a very different age.  The army does not need these conscripts, you do not have any popularity anywhere, the religious parties are far more powerful now than ever before, and unlike the last time you tried this stunt, your country is split in two regarding nationalistic aspirations, with half the youth looking to exit. </p>
<p>Here is what you will achieve with your stubbornness:  Netzach Yehuda will disband because the youths currently going there will regard you as attempting shmad.  It doesn&#039;t matter how YOU regard it, this is how THEY will regard it.  So that&#039;s the only ultra-orthodox combat unit disbanding.  This is coming from the Rabbi in charge of that unit, not me. </p>
<p>All those Kollel men who were going as jobnikim, gone.  They will now refuse to fulfill needed roles in tech and support which they were very well suited for given their intense study. </p>
<p>All those pre-kollel youth who were joinging the army because it suited their character to work as mechanics,etc, also gone.  They will now refuse as a matter of principle.  Those who would still like to go, will no longer get the quiet permission of the community. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, you will also implement &quot;economic penalties&quot;, in english it means you will drive that community into poverty.  Creating another underclass of people with an effect that will ripple out and cause those who do business with that community to suffer.  Those religious philanthropists who have the money will now use that money to fill the void you&#039;ve created instead of using that excess money to create jobs. </p>
<p>And if you decide to start jailing people, then we can expect riots, more chaos, more damage, as well as the costs of putting men in prison when they could be doing something useful. </p>
<p>And what do you get from all this?  What is your big accomplishment?  What is your payoff for the economic, political, and social chaos, not to mention outright hatred and civil strife you will have created at a very dangerous moment for all of us? </p>
<p>You get to put your boot down on the neck of the one group of people on the planet somewhat weaker than you. </p>
<p>Congratulations. </p>
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		<title>By: Carol Levine</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carol Levine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 13:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amiram Goldblum is a lot WORSE than indicated in the article.  Find out the truth at   &lt;a href=&quot;http://frontpagemag.com/2012/carol-levine/a-tenured-extremist-in-israel-leads-the-campaign-to-defame-his-country-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://frontpagemag.com/2012/carol-levine/a-tenur...&lt;/a&gt; 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amiram Goldblum is a lot WORSE than indicated in the article.  Find out the truth at   <a href="http://frontpagemag.com/2012/carol-levine/a-tenured-extremist-in-israel-leads-the-campaign-to-defame-his-country-2/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://frontpagemag.com/2012/carol-levine/a-tenur" rel="nofollow">http://frontpagemag.com/2012/carol-levine/a-tenur</a>&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: SHmuelHalevi</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 10:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Israeli &quot;service&quot; was turned into a political tool in particular since Oslo.  I served in the IDF both as a soldier and as a Consultant to the MoD, Military Avionics and QA.  We never had rubber bullets, sponge bullets or paint ball rifles as weapons!  Today the &quot;service&quot; is used by the Israelitists, unJews, renegades and worse to control and divide, not to work on soldiering.  Except against other Jews.  The whole thing is very damaging and I sense, soon will be borught to a head. 
The Netanyahu and his cadre &quot;leadership&quot; is tantamount to abusive charlatanism. 
They must go starting with Peres and Netanyahu, Livni and Weinstein.. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Israeli &quot;service&quot; was turned into a political tool in particular since Oslo.  I served in the IDF both as a soldier and as a Consultant to the MoD, Military Avionics and QA.  We never had rubber bullets, sponge bullets or paint ball rifles as weapons!  Today the &quot;service&quot; is used by the Israelitists, unJews, renegades and worse to control and divide, not to work on soldiering.  Except against other Jews.  The whole thing is very damaging and I sense, soon will be borught to a head.<br />
The Netanyahu and his cadre &quot;leadership&quot; is tantamount to abusive charlatanism.<br />
They must go starting with Peres and Netanyahu, Livni and Weinstein.. </p>
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		<title>By: Poupic</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 09:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you! It has been my argument forever, word for word almost exactly. Everybody should serve, no exceptions. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you! It has been my argument forever, word for word almost exactly. Everybody should serve, no exceptions. </p>
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		<title>By: Isracampus</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 07:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Learn more about Goldblum and Israel&#039;s radical academic Left at isracampus.com 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Learn more about Goldblum and Israel&#039;s radical academic Left at isracampus.com </p>
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		<title>By: AdinaK</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 06:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steven , we both know that there are &quot;two rules of law&quot; in Israel: one for leftists/Arabs and the other for nationalist Jews. And one needn&#039;t have a crystal ball to intuit which side gets the shaft.  
  
However, this incendiary topic is addressed in the following interview, and it is also very clear in its prescription. I suspect Steven will agree, or at least understand, where its essence is coming from - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.inquisitr.com/671508/the-inquisitr-interviews-adina-kutnicki-the-reality-of-life-for-an-israeli-patriot/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.inquisitr.com/671508/the-inquisitr-int...&lt;/a&gt;  
  
And the fact that leftists who refuse to protect Israel&#039;s heartland - Judea and Samaria - are released from jail, yet nationalists are hunted down hither and yon for refusing to destroy Jewish homes/communities, tells us all we need to know about the (biased) &quot;law of the land&quot;.  
  
Adina Kutnicki, Israel &lt;a href=&quot;http://adinakutnicki.com/about/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://adinakutnicki.com/about/&lt;/a&gt; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven , we both know that there are &quot;two rules of law&quot; in Israel: one for leftists/Arabs and the other for nationalist Jews. And one needn&#039;t have a crystal ball to intuit which side gets the shaft.  </p>
<p>However, this incendiary topic is addressed in the following interview, and it is also very clear in its prescription. I suspect Steven will agree, or at least understand, where its essence is coming from &#8211; <a href="http://www.inquisitr.com/671508/the-inquisitr-interviews-adina-kutnicki-the-reality-of-life-for-an-israeli-patriot/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.inquisitr.com/671508/the-inquisitr-int" rel="nofollow">http://www.inquisitr.com/671508/the-inquisitr-int</a>&#8230;  </p>
<p>And the fact that leftists who refuse to protect Israel&#039;s heartland &#8211; Judea and Samaria &#8211; are released from jail, yet nationalists are hunted down hither and yon for refusing to destroy Jewish homes/communities, tells us all we need to know about the (biased) &quot;law of the land&quot;.  </p>
<p>Adina Kutnicki, Israel <a href="http://adinakutnicki.com/about/" rel="nofollow">http://adinakutnicki.com/about/</a> </p>
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		<description><![CDATA[They conbrol the Israeli courts, university and media ]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[They conbrol the Israeli courts, university and media ]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[They conbrol the Israeli courts, university and media ]]></description>
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		<title>By: SCREW SOCIALISM</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If only 2% of Israelis are leftists, what power do they have? 
 
Tell the 2% to go to Hell, Eurabia, Gaza. ]]></description>
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