The Letter Netanyahu Should Send to the EU

Steven Plaut is a native Philadelphian who teaches business finance and economics at the University of Haifa in Israel.  He holds a PhD in economics from Princeton.  He is author of the David Horowitz Freedom Center booklets about the Hamas  and Jewish Enablers of the War against Israel.


benEditor’s note: The letter below was formulated on behalf of the Israeli Prime Minister by Steven Plaut:

Dear Leaders and Commissioners of the European Union:

As Prime Minister of Israel I would like to thank you for sharing your thoughts with the world about how Israel should solve the Middle East conflict, namely by agreeing to “return” the “occupied Palestinian” lands to the “Palestinians.”

Always willing to be of public service, I have composed a small list of minor preconditions that must be met in order for Israel to agree to return to the “Palestinians” of the “occupied territories” that are “theirs.” These are really just minor corrections in your own plan. After all, why should Israel be the first and the only country to “return” lands to the original inhabitants from which they “seized” these lands in “occupation”?

So here goes:

It goes without saying that the Americans and Canadians must lead the way and show Israel the light by returning all lands that they seized from the Indians and the Mexicans to their original owners.  The Anglo-Saxons, meaning the English, will be invited to return the British isles to their rightful original Celtic and Druid owners, while they return to their own ancestral Saxon homeland in northern Germany and Denmark.  The Danes of course will be asked to move aside. In fact, they will be asked to move back to their Norwegian and Swedish homeland, to make room for the returning Anglo-Saxons.

But that is just a beginning.  The Spanish will be called upon to leave the Iberian peninsula that they wrongfully occupy and return it to the indigenous Celtiberians.  Similarly, the Portuguese occupiers will leave their lands and return them to the Lusitanians.  The Magyars will go back where they came from and leave Hungary to its true owners. The Australians and New Zealanders obviously will have to end their occupations of lands that do not belong to them.  The Thais will leave Thailand.  The Bulgarians will return to their Volga homeland and abandon occupied Bulgaria.  Anyone speaking Spanish will be expected to end his or her forced occupation of Latin America.  It goes without saying that the French will surrender all their lands, starting with Corsica, to their rightful owners. The Turks will go back to Mongolia and leave Anatolia altogether.  The Germans will go back to Gotland.  The Italians will return the boot to the Etruscans and Greeks.

That leaves the Arabs and Iranians.  First, all of northern Africa, from Mauritania to Egypt and Sudan, will have to be immediately abandoned by the illegal Arab occupiers and squatters and returned to their lawful original Berber, Punic, Greek, and Vandal owners.  Occupied Syria and Lebanon must be released at once from the cruel occupation of the Arab imperialist aggressors.  Iraq must be returned to the Assyrians and Chaldeans.  Southern Arabia must be returned to the Abyssinians.  The Arabs may retain control of the central portion of the Arabian peninsula as their homeland. But not the oil fields.

Oh, and the Palestinian infiltrators, usurpers and squatters will of course have to return the lands they are illegally and wrongfully occupying to their legal and rightful owners – the Jews.

While we are fixing world problems, let us also return all of Iran to its rightful owners.  I of course mean the Mongolians.

True, Iran was conquered or liberated from the Persians by the Mongols militarily starting in 1219. Iran then became a legitimate part of the Mongol homeland. Tamerlane, who was part Mongol, also ran the place.  All in all, the Mongol liberation of Persia lasted for two and a half centuries, not much different from the length of the period of Arab rule of “Palestine,” after which Iran was “lost” to Turkic tribes.  I guess that means the Turks also have a legitimate claim to a homeland there.

Now if the fact that some Arab armies once conquered the Land of Israel is thought to confer upon them rights of sovereignty and even statehood, why should not the Mongol conquest of Iran do the same? After all, Iran was once a Mongol state, as recently as 550 years ago, whereas the last time the Land of Israel was an Arab Palestinian state was, well, never.

Not only should Mongol rule be restored to Iran as the only legitimate rulers of the place, but these days the Mongols make far better neighbors than do the ayatollahs. The Mongols have no nuclear plans and have never met with the anti-Semitic pagans from the Neturei Karta.  The Mongols would surely put the Persian Gulf petroleum to better use than do the Holocaust Deniers in Iran these days, like developing yak milk production capacities.

So, I say, end these illegal occupations once and for all and return these lands to their rightful owners!

And right after all this, Israel will be happy to implement your proposals in full.

Thanks you for hearing me out.

Sincerely yours,

Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel

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  • aproudiranian

    As we say in Farsi : Javab ablahan khamoushist (silence is the only answer to ignorants)….

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “As we say in Farsi : Javab ablahan khamoushist (silence is the only answer to ignorants)….”

      How is that working for you? How is your Arabic?

      • aproudiranian

        ?????

  • Poupic

    The only way to describe the Europeans declaration regarding JUdea and Samaria they call “The west bank” is hutzpah.

    • Cold_Drake_80

      Every source I’ve been able to find on Samaria indicates the region stretched all the way to the coast. So no it wasn’t the current West Bank. Not that it really matters since the boundaries of Israel and the captive vassal state of Palestine have been drawn for purely selfish, modern political reasons.

      • Poupic

        This is too funny! Go ahead, name one state that wasn’t “drawn for purely selfish, modern political reasons! As a matter of fact, all states have been drawn for purely selfish political reasons. You’re not a Drake. I would say probably a donkey.

        • Cold_Drake_80

          Which kind of underscores my whole point. Looking back to past claims while ignoring all that came before and after is stupid. Particularly when those past claims are built sand. Your just too sloppy to take seriously.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Which kind of underscores my whole point. Looking back to past claims while ignoring all that came before and after is stupid. Particularly when those past claims are built sand.”

            You’ll pick any theory as long as you think it lands on attacking America’s relationship with Israel. Except your arguments never get past repeating jihadi lies.

            So far, you’re a complete failure.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            Okay, looks like you’re too dense to understand basic English so I’ll try again. The Bible is the source of many of the land claims along with earlier Jewish accounts and documents of course. The fact that such accounts would be self serving seems to allude you. If so I don’t care. Your defects are your problem stop dumping them on everyone else.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            More-on

            The points have nothing to do with modern land claims. You leftists always think you read people’s minds and you lose opportunities to learn. You asked for evidence that jihadis lie. They lie about their history, and then they lie about the fact that their history has been refuted by the archaeology. They lie because they’re already on record as coming up with “corrections” to the Bible.

            And those “self serving accounts” are not at all what I’m talking about. I’m talking about specific groups of people who were living in specific locations. Those are facts. Jihadis lie about those facts. I’m speaking about their culture and how they lie about anything that serves their agenda. Political spin is one thing, outright lying about salient facts of history is in another league of deception. But maybe you empathize with that “need” to lie to people you have some emotional problems with. Maybe that’s why you’re a crypto-jihadi.

            So, was Jesus a “Palestinian” or a Jew?

            You’re one of the worst bluffers I’ve seen around here. You’re in over your head.

      • BenJabo1Machal

        Ain’t NO PALESTINE, Fahti Hammad of Hamas said so.
        His video in on Youtube, grab a coke & popcorn, sit back and enjoy

  • kate5778b

    The original Palestinians are the Jews, so yes, I’m ALL FOR returning all territories back to the original Palestinians, and the ARabs can live in Arabia where there are no Jewish citizens, by law.

  • Bert

    And let the Jews also return to the land ruled by King David 3,000 years ago to complete the restorations. Actually this proposed response makes sense but will never be issued by Israel because Israel’s leaders are too timid and corrupt to ever speak truth to power as well and the U.S. Jewish establishment.

    • Cold_Drake_80

      Well, then they’ll have to give up much of their current coast line then. Neat trick pulling off that one. I doubt people want to sell their ocean front property just yet. After all that land belonged to the Philistines. Closest descendents of them would probably be the Palestinians or Lebanese.

      • OfficialPro

        Incorrect. The Philistines died out. The Lebanese are of semitic descent; the Philistines were not. And the Arabs, semitic descendants of Ishmael, were half-Egyptian (via Hagar). The Palestinians are colonizing Arabs, not Philistines.

        • Cold_Drake_80

          They adopted the culture of those around them and assimilated. This is almost funny since anti-Palestinian bigots frequently call them decedents of Philistines as a slur.
          As for siting Hagar you might as well sight the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Both are fiction. One is self serving tripe that has killed millions and the other was written by Tolkein.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “They adopted the culture of those around them and assimilated.”

            More-on, nations are about culture, language, values, etc. Not shared DNA. Shared DNA happens because of nations, not the other way around. There are no philistines today. That doesn’t mean there might not be some genetic link. If there is, it means nothing about our conversations pertaining to nations and culture.

            “This is almost funny since anti-Palestinian bigots frequently call them decedents of Philistines as a slur.”

            It’s ironic sarcasm because the Philistines are shown as violent troublemakers in the Bible and enemies of the Jews. So it’s seen as ironic that the Romans would rename the province after these enemies and then another discrete enemy would come along to claim the name.

            So it’s fine if they want to be enemies and the spiritual descendants of the Philistines. That does absolutely nothing for their desire to build a nation. Nothing.

            The thing is that you confuse trivial points with salient points. The modern legitimate claims of Israel flow entirely from their involvement with Western powers as victors of WWI, and additionally having negotiated with the Turks even before that.

            What happens is that the jihadis lie about history, and then when people try to rectify those lies, imbeciles like you come along and act like those corrections are the entire basis of Israeli justifications. That’s very stupid.

            “As for siting Hagar you might as well sight the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Both are fiction. One is self serving tripe that has killed millions and the other was written by Tolkein.”

            That’s yet another ignorant statement. Again you miss the point. The jihadis bring up these stories and won’t accept contrary evidence. It’s trivial to the matter of modern Israel until their lies need to be rectified. It’s non-trivial because they use lies to build political movements to destroy the legitimate sovereign in Israel.

            And the “tripe that has killed millions” is found in the texts your jihadis use. If you don’t accept the Bible as authentic, you can’t accuse it of killing people based on its records. Jihadis have killed millions because of their instructions. These are the facts.

            None of these things matter to crypto-jihadis like you. You just follow your instincts to contend with people you hate, and then look for justifications afterwards.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            You are a mental deficient.

            “Shared DNA happens because of nations, not the other way around.”

            It happens because of sex. That is kind of how sex works. I can see where a good FPMer would like you would see race as nation. It’s an underpinning of fascism.

            “It’s ironic sarcasm because…”

            Gee I didn’t know know the Romans and ancient peoples of the mid-east had a hipster’s obsession with “irony”.

            All claims for land made by Zionists are based entirely on religious claims and internal accounts made by the Jewish people. Were their Jews in ancient Judea. Of course. Were they the only people living there? No, there were many people there. Several were victims of genocide at the hands of the ancient Hebrews. Others have been tarred by one-sided accounts. The actual Philistines were hated because they had a more advanced civilization that gave them material advantages. For a time at least.

            “And the “tripe that has killed millions” is found in the texts your jihadis use.”

            Glad to see you agree Abrahamic teachings have lead to mass murder. That’s an important first step. Now you just have to accept your little gang has blood on it’s hands too and you’ll be one step closer to being a human.

            ” If you don’t accept the Bible as authentic, you can’t accuse it of killing people based on its records. Jihadis have killed millions because of their instructions.”

            By your mode of reasoning the holocaust can’t be blamed on German war time doctrine because the anti-Semitic lies were provably wrong. I shouldn’t have to point this out but I can just picture you furrowing your forehead trying to comprehend basic thinking. I’ll just let your little brain churn away for a while.

  • Walter Sieruk

    The Muslim /Arabs of that area are the people who call themselves the “Palestinians” as if by giving themselves that title that would give them some kind of claim on tha land. Nevertheless, if the leaders of the State of Israel has any so called “negotiations” with the leaders of the “Palestinians” the later will be very disingenous and will dissimulate. For they would take any land that they might obtain from Israel to let the jihadists use that land as a base to send down murderous rocket attacks in Israel. As in the case of Gaza. Thus even the idea of a “land for peace dialogue” is both foolishness and folly. To put this in another way, all this may be best described in the Bible. Which reads in Psalm 55;20,21. “Such men do violence to those at peace with them and break their promised word: their speech is smoother then butter but their thoughts are of war.” [NEB]

    • Cold_Drake_80

      Well, like a good FPMer you slip up and tell the truth. Yeah, I know I was surprised too. However, it wasn’t in the way you wanted. THAT is no surprise at all.

      You see I actually read the Psalm you quote mined. It was about a man not beset by some vile foreigner but by a traitorous friend, oath breaker and underhanded dealer. A supposed comrade who is nothing of the kind.

      So while you scream and stamp your little feet about “foreign devils” your little copy/paste job reveals the truths. Don’t worry you’ll get better. Well, no you won’t but oh well.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        You’re the guy chastising others about reading comprehension. Funny.

        Your “clarifications” failed to create an effective straw man argument. Nobody cares about “foreigners” per se. We care about people who want to destroy our civilization. Including domestic traitors.

        • Cold_Drake_80

          Based on your previous statements on this site you don’t care about anything that doesn’t reinforce your own beliefs. Normally that would be a harmless personal defect but in your case vile bigotry and petty prejudices inform your world view to such a sickening degree that you poison your environment with every word.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            That’s all a bunch of useless rhetoric if you can’t back it up. It ends up looking like you projecting your own flaws on to others.

            Nobody cares about “foreigners” per se. We care about people who want to destroy our civilization. Including domestic traitors. Like you?

          • Cold_Drake_80

            Useless rhetoric? Looks like someone can’t rebut a thing thing I posted so you chose to devolve into blanket dismissals and petty name calling. Then we get the traitor accusation. Good bit of FPM red meat. Of course you can’t support that claim but that doesn’t matter since good FPMers don’t have to support anything they say. Here it’s all about jabbering in a circle. Facts don’t matter, logic doesn’t matter. Just a bunch of tools nodding and drooling at one another.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Useless rhetoric? Looks like someone can’t rebut a thing thing I posted so you chose to devolve into blanket dismissals and petty name calling.”

            It looks like that to you because you’re an unhinged leftist. Why don’t you summarize for me the thing-thing you posted and we can settle this. It sure looks like you’re the one losing to me, but hey, I could be wrong. Maybe I missed all of your articulate explanations.

            “Then we get the traitor accusation. Good bit of FPM red meat. Of course you can’t support that claim but that doesn’t matter since good FPMers don’t have to support anything they say.”

            You’re supporting jihads, enemies of the West. That makes it a legitimate question to ask if you’re one of the traitors and in fact you answered the question even before I asked it.

            “Here it’s all about jabbering in a circle. Facts don’t matter, logic doesn’t matter. Just a bunch of tools nodding and drooling at one another.”

            The more-on that can’t understand others blames everyone but himself.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            So by disagreeing with the violent man-children of FPM means I support international Jihad? Speaking out against one thing doesn’t indicate support of the supposed opposite. Your “reasoning” is completely devoid of any kind of logic. That doesn’t surprise me really.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “So by disagreeing with the violent man-children of FPM means I support international Jihad?”

            Your explicit disagreement with our fact-based positions is clearly in support of Jihad.

            “Speaking out against one thing doesn’t indicate support of the supposed opposite.”

            Not globally, but in this specific case it does. When you serve up the lies of an enemy, you are serving that enemy. You are delivering in this case the enemy’s most powerful weapon.

            “Your “reasoning” is completely devoid of any kind of logic.”

            If I give you the benefit of the doubt that you don’t understand the logic, that’s not necessarily my fault. My sense is that it’s not.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Speak up please, I can’t quite hear you.

          • OfficialPro

            Leftists tend not to care about anyone that doesn’t line up with their own beliefs. Hence they often speak in supposed jest about how all Republicans should be shot, and how they have nobody in their circle of friends who voted for George W. Bush so they could never understand how he got elected.

            You have far too many straw men burning on your front lawn. You have no idea what actual vile bigotry is (hint: it’s not from us, it’s from the Islamo-fascists).

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Leftist logic: We disagree with jihadis and try to rectify their vile lies. We’re seen as exclusively white while their seen as a backwards class of human that needs protection from the leftists. We’re the bigots because we try to judge them with the same standards we judge others by. We’re not “anti-racist” (PC racist).

            And if you just assume the jihadis are right, we must be the liars. And it takes them ages if not forever to see the flaws in their logic. This clown makes assumptions all day long. Because as usual from unhinged leftists, his indoctrination conditioned him to think he’s superior.

  • http://steviethek.wordpress.com steviethek

    STILL not sure what is so magical about the “pre-67″ lines – they were just cease-fire lines from the 48 war, and all that time the now-called “Occupied Territories” could have been turned into a “Palestinian State”. Why wasn’t it then? hmm?

    • Cold_Drake_80

      Because the US and Israel have stuck to a strict rejectionist stance the whole time.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “Because the US and Israel have stuck to a strict rejectionist stance the whole time.”

        Not rejectionist enough. We should clearly and consistently reject totalitarian liars that are trying to destroy all other civilizations.

        • Cold_Drake_80

          Says the guy who doesn’t back Israel but, rather, the most militant, religiously extremist elements within the apartheid state.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Says the guy who doesn’t back Israel but, rather, the most militant, religiously extremist elements within the apartheid state.”

            Says the liar who trots out words like “apartheid” in emulation of the biggest liars on the planet.

            Where’s your evidence for such an accusation?

            It’s the appeasers who have allowed this jihad to go on for so long. Why do we constantly need to be so generous and bend over backwards for people who offer us nothing but strife?

          • Cold_Drake_80

            So you don’t need to provide any support at all for your claims of these “liars that are trying to destroy all other civilizations” but I have to provide support for the fact of Israels apartheid system.
            Funny thing is tools like you shrieked non-stop when Israel was accused of committing genocide against the Palestinians. You foamed at the mouth when Hitler was brought up.
            Now that people have stepped back, examined Israels system and called it for what it is you can’t stop spewing “liar” until you swallow your tongue again.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “So you don’t need to provide any support at all for your claims of these “liars that are trying to destroy all other civilizations” but I have to provide support for the fact of Israels apartheid system.”

            Well since you’re new around here and haven’t read any of the numerous articles that have done that already, I can certainly help people who ask.

            Google search for “islamic history and archaeology”

            http://goo.gl/yR30ar

            “Funny thing is tools like you shrieked non-stop when Israel was accused of committing genocide against the Palestinians. You foamed at the mouth when Hitler was brought up.”

            I foam at the mouth when I hear hypocritical liars.

            “Now that people have stepped back, examined Israels system and called it for what it is you can’t stop spewing “liar” until you swallow your tongue again.”

            In the West, the burden of proof is on the accuser. Where’s your evidence?

            Islam itself is an attack on Jews and Christians and their texts. It turns out that when the Bible talks about history, archaeology always proves the Bible to be accurate when evidence emerges. When evidence is discovered that resolves differences between Islamic claims and the claims of others, it turns out Islam is false.

            Furthermore, modern jihadis lie about this archaeology as well.

            They lie any chance they can get. Was Arafat a liar when he claimed that Jesus of Nazareth was a Palestinian freedom fighter? Ever take a look at Palestinian media, or objective analysis of Islamic texts?

            When I see and hear liars, I call them on it.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            Good to admit you are a raving fool but that is only the first step. You now must seek help – which will probably include massive doses of anti-psychotics – in order to further improve. You’ll never be worth much but at least you’ll be able to function in a limited way on a day-to-day basis.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            If you think a focus on bogus buzzwords and sarcasm means that you win the argument, then keep patting yourself on the back.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “So you don’t need to provide any support at all for your claims of these “liars that are trying to destroy all other civilizations” but I have to provide support for the fact of Israels apartheid system.”

            sharia world domination

            http://goo.gl/NXKKot

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/04/30/on-may-day-communism-is-a-much-closeted-joke/

          • OfficialPro

            Apartheid. Genocide. You keep using those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “Because the US and Israel have stuck to a strict rejectionist stance the whole time.”

        By the way, the question was essentially asking why “Palestinians” in Jordan did not create a Palestinian state before 1967. That is America and Israel’s fault?

        In fact the fake nationalist movement was only promoted by jihadis as a tool when Jordan lost territory due to its belligerence.

        Oh well. What is it they say about love and war?

        • Cold_Drake_80

          So now your trotting out the tired argument that Jordan is Palestinian. Weren’t you the little troll who said the Palestinians were a “made up” people. You can’t have it both ways.
          This “argument” also ignores the mass killing of Palestinians by their supposed nation that was so severe it lead to Syrian intervention. Unfortunately the most kill crazy elements in Israel threatened to attack Syria if they continued their intervention. Really classy, right?
          As for jihadis promoting this movement you are a liar. It sprung from the Arab Nationalist movement of decades past. The Islamic extremist elements got their start as stooges of Israel because they attacked the Arab Nationalists.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “So now your trotting out the tired argument that Jordan is Palestinian.”

            Not at all. The point is that Jordan is a better candidate IF there was a legitimate national movement, which there was not.

            “Weren’t you the little troll who said the Palestinians were a “made up” people.”

            That’s not the phraseology I use. I understand what they’re saying because I know the history. Either you’re a grammar Nazi or you’re ignorant about the facts.

            “You can’t have it both ways.”

            That’s a lame straw man.

            “This “argument” also ignores the mass killing of Palestinians by their supposed nation that was so severe it lead to Syrian intervention.”

            You’re straw man already failed. Jordanian elites HATE Palestinians. Islam is allegedly one big “uma” but in fact is nothing but seemingly infinite factions of aggressive people.

            “Palestinians” are several front groups for a particular brand of modern jihad against the West.

            “Unfortunately the most kill crazy elements in Israel threatened to attack Syria if they continued their intervention. Really classy, right?”

            I don’t often use words like “classy” and I’m sure I would never use that word describing you. I do know what you refer to though and you’re a complete lunatic.

            In fact it was Nixon and Kissinger that asked Israel to intervene against Syrian attacking Jordan with tanks. They buzzed the tanks, who turned around. And that’s all they did. Syrian didn’t give a damn, and Israel didn’t either. We Americans intervened to keep the Palestinian criminals from igniting a regional war between relatively stable Islamic regimes.

            Your ridiculous characterizations show your complete ignorance. You’re the perfect dupe.

            “As for jihadis promoting this movement you are a liar.”

            Even jihadis don’t deny it. I haven’t laughed this hard in a long time. I hardly have to defend myself. So Abu Mazen is not a jihadi? Arafat was not a jihadi? Actually, jihadis don’t exist. Islam is a religion of peace and why would anyone lie about that? I must be an Islam-o-phobe. The earth must be cubed shaped after all.

            “It sprung from the Arab Nationalist movement of decades past.”

            Which decade? Cut and paste much?

            “The Islamic extremist elements got their start as stooges of Israel because they attacked the Arab Nationalists.”

            Preach on. Maybe I’ve got it all wrong. Please show me your sources for this crucial information.

            You seem like a victim of American Middle Eastern Studies. Which is also driven by jihadis and crypto-communists. Stick to the facts of history, and both factions are revealed as endemic liars.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            I have no idea why my reply was “moderated” so I’ll try in phases.

            Part 1

            “So now your trotting out the tired argument that Jordan is Palestinian.”

            Not at all. The point is that Jordan is a better candidate IF there was a legitimate national movement, which there was not.

            “Weren’t you the little troll who said the Palestinians were a “made up” people.”

            That’s not the phraseology I use. I understand what they’re saying because I know the history. Either you’re a grammar Nazi or you’re ignorant about the facts.

            “You can’t have it both ways.”

            That’s a lame straw man.

            “This “argument” also ignores the mass killing of Palestinians by their supposed nation that was so severe it lead to Syrian intervention.”

            You’re straw man already failed. Jordanian elites HATE Palestinians. Islam is allegedly one big “uma” but in fact is nothing but seemingly infinite factions of aggressive people.

            “Palestinians” are several front groups for a particular brand of modern jihad against the West.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Holy cow. Even “grammar ‘nawzeee’” can’t be spelled as when we refer to the German national socialist movement. I got ‘moderated” twice for using it.

            Let’s try again:

            “So now your trotting out the tired argument that Jordan is Palestinian.”

            Not at all. The point is that Jordan is a better candidate IF there was a legitimate national movement, which there was not.

            “Weren’t you the little troll who said the Palestinians were a “made up” people.”

            That’s not the phraseology I use. I understand what they’re saying because I know the history. Either you’re a grammar Naw-zee or you’re ignorant about the facts.

            “You can’t have it both ways.”

            That’s a lame straw man.

            “This “argument” also ignores the mass killing of Palestinians by their supposed nation that was so severe it lead to Syrian intervention.”

            You’re straw man already failed. Jordanian elites HATE Palestinians. Islam is allegedly one big “uma” but in fact is nothing but seemingly infinite factions of aggressive people.

            “Palestinians” are several front groups for a particular brand of modern jihad against the West.

            “Unfortunately the most kill crazy elements in Israel threatened to attack Syria if they continued their intervention. Really classy, right?”

            I don’t often use words like “classy” and I’m sure I would never use that word describing you. I do know what you refer to though and you’re a complete lunatic.

            In fact it was Nixon and Kissinger that asked Israel to intervene against Syrian attacking Jordan with tanks. They buzzed the tanks, who turned around. And that’s all they did. Syrian didn’t give a damn, and Israel didn’t either. We Americans intervened to keep the Palestinian criminals from igniting a regional war between relatively stable Islamic regimes.

            Your ridiculous characterizations show your complete ignorance. You’re the perfect dupe.

            “As for jihadis promoting this movement you are a liar.”

            Even jihadis don’t deny it. I haven’t laughed this hard in a long time. I hardly have to defend myself. So Abu Mazen is not a jihadi? Arafat was not a jihadi? Actually, jihadis don’t exist. Islam is a religion of peace and why would anyone lie about that? I must be an Islam-o-phobe. The earth must be cubed shaped after all.

            “It sprung from the Arab Nationalist movement of decades past.”

            Which decade? Cut and paste much?

            “The Islamic extremist elements got their start as stooges of Israel because they attacked the Arab Nationalists.”

            Preach on. Maybe I’ve got it all wrong. Please show me your sources for this crucial information.

            You seem like a victim of American Middle Eastern Studies. Which is also driven by jihadis and crypto-communists. Stick to the facts of history, and both factions are revealed as endemic liars.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            Your pathetic. I’ve read enough of your comments to know your so brain dead you wouldn’t accept facts if they were waved in front of your face. All you’re looking for is validation of your own bigotry.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “…you wouldn’t accept facts if they were waved in front of your face.”

            That’s a powerful argument to publish to an Internet forum where everyone can read…if in fact you had even published any facts at all.

            Well, maybe not that powerful. But it is revealing.

          • OfficialPro

            you have yet to show us any credible sources for your so-called facts. Stop listening to communists. They are liars, that is what they do, they fed you whatever line you believe about palestine.

  • garyfouse

    Don’t forget Koenigsgberg back to the Germans.

    “Von der Oder an Die Memel-Frei, frei, Koenigsberg!”

  • Kyrre73

    Netanyahu is so easy to read. He will try to act tough with the EU and lead Israel into disaster. These first EU sanctions could just be the start from Europe. EU is Israels biggest trading partner while the trade is insignificant for Europe.

  • tokoloshiman

    love it!

  • Cold_Drake_80

    I really hope Netanyahu isn’t this stupid in reality or we are all in a
    lot of trouble. This prole feed is such garbage the author actually loses
    focus when he doesn’t even bother to look up the original people of
    Hungary. He continues hand waving his way through other countries before
    totally losing focus. Limited attention span and all that.
    Later he
    seems to realize he has a word count limit to hit so goes for the red
    meat. Iran bashing. He totally ignores his original premise (I can just
    hear him whining ‘this is hard’) and starts yammering about giving Iran
    “back” to the Mongolians. This, of course, goes totally against his
    original premise but that doesn’t matter. I’m sure by then he had
    convinced himself that no good FPMer would have remembered that. It was a
    couple paragraphs ago after all.

    • disqus_18vreqDTYY

      @Cold_Drake_80 – Too bad you don’t have the intellect to comprehend the tongue in cheek narrative skillfully articulated by the author. Instead you nitpick minor points and attack the author and his defenders, all the while missing the actual point of the article.

      • Cold_Drake_80

        I got that it was “tongue in cheek” and I also got that it was garbage writing. Some hack pounding out prolefeed doesn’t impress me at all.
        The main “point” of the article was to placate the lowest possible denominator amongst good FPMers. To do that is so easy the author got sloppy and lazy. He’s such a sloth he couldn’t even maintain focus while writing the kind of short article that is second nature to the agiprops on this site.

        • OfficialPro

          Go live in Cuba or North Korea, commie.

          • Cold_Drake_80

            Blistering comeback. I’ve found that when FPMers run out of ideas – which is really fast – out come the slurs. So what about my previous comment makes me a “commie”? Where did I site dialectical materialism? Das Capital? The Communist Manifesto?
            I won’t hold my breath waiting for your citations but I sure hope you do.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Blistering comeback. I’ve found that when FPMers run out of ideas – which is really fast – out come the slurs.”

            Here we see unhinged leftists at their most delusional. You throw about 90% sarcasm and 10% unsupported accusations, and then cry like a baby after you left us nothing else to talk about in your conversation threads.

            But yeah, it’s our fault that you’re a delusional lunatic. I’ll have to reflect on what I can do about that.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “So what about my previous comment makes me a “commie”? Where did I site dialectical materialism? Das Capital? The Communist Manifesto?”

            Propagating communist lies. Nobody said you were Marx reincarnated.

            Dipshirt.

    • OfficialPro

      Oh so you’re a communist. That explains everything.

  • Popeye55

    And Yahwey said, And in that day will I make Jerusalem a
    burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be
    cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against
    it… Zech 12:3

    So funny watching the world dictate to Israel.

    • Cold_Drake_80

      Well, this does underscore a major doctrinal point of the extremist right. Namely, support for Israel is just a way to hasten the end of the world and the deaths of billions. As well as the annihilation of the Jewish people. You think your little pagan war god wants blood, blood, blood and all you can do is sit at your keyboard giggling away.

      • OfficialPro

        Your pagan war god wants to slaughter all the Jews.

        • Popeye55

          What makes you think that, The people of Israel are Gods chosen people, and he wants them to have faith in him. Once again mankind is free to choose, but choosing wrong could have consequences. And maybe it won’t come to Jews being slaughtered, but that of the aggressor.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “What makes you think that, The people of Israel are Gods chosen people, and he wants them to have faith in him.”

            The Pagan god he refers to is known as “Allah.”

            “And maybe it won’t come to Jews being slaughtered, but that of the aggressor.”

            In theory anything like that is possible, but it’s not helpful to say that considering all of the lies floating around as if that’s already the case.

      • Popeye55

        Our puny politicians will have about as much effect on altering the outcome of Israel as they will have changing global warming. Also, theres nothing Pagan about the God of Israel, the Great I AM. Thy will be done.

        • Cold_Drake_80

          I never said anything about the supposed god of israel. I was talking about YOUR non-existent big sky daddy that you think wants to see the world destroyed and billions dead. It would seem you’re just another crack brained fundie who only reads Revelations which is nothing but torture porn on a planetary scale.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “I never said anything about the supposed god of israel. I was talking about YOUR non-existent big sky daddy that you think wants to see the world destroyed and billions dead.”

            I’m not familiar with your narrative. You’ll need to show some citations or give us some clues as to what you’re talking about. Right now you seem like another ubiquitous leftist lunatic repeating lies and delusion.

            But you could possibly redeem yourself if you actually show rationally what you’re talking about.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “Well, this does underscore a major doctrinal point of the extremist right. Namely, support for Israel is just a way to hasten the end of the world and the deaths of billions. As well as the annihilation of the Jewish people. You think your little pagan war god wants blood, blood, blood and all you can do is sit at your keyboard giggling away.”

        Do you see dead people too? Mind readers are so rare these days. Where’d you learn your tricks?

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “…support for Israel is just a way to hasten the end of the world and the deaths of billions. As well as the annihilation of the Jewish people.”

        Your gifts for speaking for others is beyond question, of course, but can you please articulate that more completely for the rest of us? Where does this nonsense come from? It sounds more like you’re quoting atheist legends than anything else.

        But then again you always show supporting evidence for your claims and I must have missed it *this time*.

        “You think your little pagan war god wants blood, blood, blood and all you can do is sit at your keyboard giggling away.”

        These fantasies that you have are not necessarily connected with anything in reality.

        • Cold_Drake_80

          Now your just being obtuse. The fundie right is all about worshipping the murderous revenge fantasy they’ve constructed based on Revelations. If you are that ignorant of what your comrades believe in you have no business commenting on anything.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “The fundie right is all about worshipping the murderous revenge fantasy they’ve constructed based on Revelations. If you are that ignorant of what your comrades believe in you have no business commenting on anything.”

            Because it can’t be you that’s ignorant, so use a childish version of the common sense appeal.

            There are diverse views about the book of Revelation, but the people doing the murdering are all considered evil according to virtually any interpretation.

            And then there are the caricatures created by lunatic atheists, that you seem to think originated from believers.

            And not only that, the Jews are not killed. Although according to this predictive prophecy many will die, the Jews actually are protected by God.

            So you’re not only lazy for not even bothering to try to find some citation for your claim but you’re also full of BS. We can only guess where you get your ideas from.

  • herb benty

    Very, very well said! Concerning Israel, HYPOCRACY is the order of the day. Leftism has ruined Europe….it is pitiful.

  • bernard

    Why go back so deep in history, just give back South of Tyrol to Austria (momentarily occupied by Italy), or Königsberg and Breslau to the Germans, and Lwiw (Lemberg) back to Poland or even to Austria?? There might be a longt list of European issues so far.
    All these EU morons and helpful, anti-semitic idiots have an obession with Israel. A country which is able to defend itself and don’t need advice from biased people in Europa who provide the business of Hamas and Hezbollah.

    • mauro

      I am a pro republican and pro israel italian, but i’d like to know… we made an Agreement with austria, why israel dont have to make an Agreement before to take the territories?

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “…why israel dont have to make an Agreement before to take the territories?”

        Agreement with who? They tried to arrive at agreements with criminal treaty breakers. Of course they lie about it in many ways, but even the Oslo Accords was in my view way to generous. And as it turns out, way too optimistic in thinking there was any chance those liars would consider it binding in any way.

        You might also look at the history in the region going back to the 1967 or better yet, go back to the first negotiations with the Turks and don’t skip anything between then and today. Look at the violent belligerence from the jihadis at every stage. Pogroms in the 1920s, etc.

        • mauro

          i know, but untill israel keep the territories, they have a excuse

          • objectivefactsmatter

            The jihadis can always create pretexts for jihad. The only thing that stops them is denying the opportunity. That’s the most salient lesson from the relevant history.

  • mauro

    that mean that every occupation was right?

    • Cold_Drake_80

      No, according to FPM only the occupations they like are right. Those committed by official, state sanctioned enemies are bad, bad, bad. The logic goes you step on an ant shame on you! They dump a bunch of bodies into a pit and ignite the corpses with a flame thrower…what their is nothing going on here.
      That’s FPM logic in a nutshell.

      • OfficialPro

        Israeli land is being Occupied by Arab Muslim Invaders who want sharia law, women dressed in garbage bags, denying you your favorite beer, who will stone you for adultery, and who will kill Jews at the drop of a hat. Because they’re JEWS, not because they’re “Israeli”. They’ve hated Jews since Muhammad was raping camels.

        You’re so ignorant you don’t even realize the reason Israel holds those lands is because the Arab countries tried to wipe Israel out, and got their backsides kicked for it. It’s land the Arab Invading Colonizers DESERVED to lose!

        So, are you telling me than when the Allies occupied German-controlled areas in WW II, it was bad, because Occupation Is Bad?™ Nice reflexive, knee-jerk (non-)logic.

        • Cold_Drake_80

          Germany was occupied temporarily by the allies along the agreed upon halt lines. During that period of direct occupation both east and west setup governments with an eye towards creating independent states. Both sides investing a lot of money in rebuilding these respective states with the west spending far more, allowing greater local independence and getting much better results. Ever heard of the Marshal Plan? Based on your comment I doubt it.

          As for the rest of your post it’s just the foaming at the mouth ravings of an unstable mind. Keep your extremist, overly broad talking points to yourself. I don’t care to hear extracts from your brain washing sessions.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Germany was occupied temporarily by the allies along the agreed upon halt lines. During that period of direct occupation both east and west setup governments with an eye towards creating independent states. Both sides investing a lot of money in rebuilding these respective states with the west spending far more, allowing greater local independence and getting much better results. Ever heard of the Marshal Plan? Based on your comment I doubt it.”

            Dipshirt, that’s his entire point: It would not have worked out well in Germany if for example there was a hot war between the Soviets and NATO, but that would not have made our Allied forces occupation “wrong.” We were not right because it worked out well, we were right because we had to put down an evil belligerent and solve the problems created by others.

            The fact that the Palestinians f-up their own lives and future can’t be blamed on Israel unless you ignore all the facts and focus on the lies propagated by jihadis and communists…which you do.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Ever heard of the Marshal Plan? Based on your comment I doubt it.”

            Who do you think you’re fooling?

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “No, according to FPM only the occupations they like are right. Those committed by official, state sanctioned enemies are bad, bad, bad.”

        Right. So we blindly follow 0′Bama as he empowers jihadis. You’re pretty smart. So you say.

        It’s pretty obvious to any educated American who our enemies are.

        “The logic goes you step on an ant shame on you! They dump a bunch of bodies into a pit and ignite the corpses with a flame thrower…what their is nothing going on here.”

        Nobody will wonder why you’re known as delusional.

        “That’s FPM logic in a nutshell.”

        You’re a lunatic that can barely manage to speak for himself. Fix that before you try to speak for others.

  • Ave Orchover

    This is patently absurd. we’re talking about actual living human beings -the Palestinians -suffering and disenfranchised right now. Does the concept and ideal of Israel really stand for this kind of sophistry and self delusion?

    Does Israel want to BE RIGHT by any arguments or want peace for all peoples and nations? Hello and please WAKE UP!