Rush Limbaugh’s Conversation with David Horowitz


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Reprinted with permission from The Limbaugh Letter.

So good to speak with a no-holds-barred enemy of the ruinous left, who — having once been the left’s “most important theorist” — knows from the inside out how critical it is to take the fight to them:

RUSH: How are you doing, David?

HOROWITZ: Hey, Rush! Good.

RUSH: Your latest book has an intriguing title, The Black Book of the American Left. If somebody walked up to you on the street and asked about it, how would you explain it?

HOROWITZ: It’s kind of my life mission, I guess. It’s my collected writings. I’ve written about a million and a half words in the last 20, 30 years, not counting my books, and these words have all been about one subject, it turns out. I didn’t realize this until I had somebody collect them. But it’s all about the left, and the battles I and conservatives have had with the left over race, the culture wars, and over the left’s lack of loyalty to this country in facing its enemies.

I organized those writings into ten volumes; each is a book that covers one area. This first volume, which Encounter Books is publishing this week, is called “My Life and Times,” about how I left the left and why. The second volume is called “Progressives,” about the nature of progressivism and why it’s connected to communism.

I think the most important thing I’ve done in this book is to show the continuity in the left with its communist forebears. These are not liberals. We should never call these people liberals. To begin with, they’re bigots. They’re bigoted against Christians, against America, against white people. They don’t like conservatives. They don’t want two sides to a question. We are liberal. I don’t know of a conservative who wants to shut off the conversation, but leftists do.

RUSH: What about their term “progressive?”

HOROWITZ: Progressive is certainly better than liberal, but none of these terms accurately describes them. Progressives believe that history is a forward march. Obama put a carpet in the Oval Office with this inscription: “The moral arc of the universe is bent towards justice.” No, it isn’t. What kind of a belief is that? The 20th century is probably the worst century on record for the number of people murdered and oppressed, and the 21st century will probably be worse. There’s no historical progress in the sense of a moral evolution. Progressives think that they’re on the side of history. That’s what drives them, that’s what makes them so arrogant, that’s what makes them despise us, because we don’t go along with their program, and so we’re standing in the way of historical “progress.”

RUSH: Now let me ask — you may think this question is silly. I ask it because I’ve had several epiphanies about this recently. Are you writing this book to persuade people to oppose communists, liberals, whoever — the left? Or are you writing it just to document them?

HOROWITZ: Ah. First of all, I think it was Santayana who said that in every generation we face a barbarian threat in our own children. This is something the left doesn’t understand. The left thinks people are born good and moral. No, they’re not. That’s why we need morality, religion, laws. So I would hope that young people would read this book and be warned against socialist “remedies.” According to a Pew poll, 49 percent of young Americans have a favorable view of socialism. What is socialism? It is a system that leads to mass misery, mass impoverization, and human slaughter. That’s what it means. Yet almost half of the young think it’s benign. So on the one hand, I would like to reach the young — although our schools, as one of the volumes will show, are completely dominated by the left and have been transformed into indoctrination centers for the left.

RUSH: You’ve documented that in previous books.

HOROWITZ: But I also think the most important message in these books is for conservatives. Conservatives do many things wonderfully well. They understand the Constitution. They understand how the economy works. But they are not so good at understanding how the left works. Conservatives are way too benign, benevolent, understanding. That’s why they’ll call people who are bigots liberals. Their thought is, “If these leftists want to be called liberals, sure, we’ll call them liberals.” I hope that my book will be a wake-up call to conservatives, that these are very dangerous people. Of course, Obama has done more waking up of conservatives than I could ever do. Unfortunately, he’s done it by having the power to show them what progressive “solutions” really mean.

RUSH: You’re lighting some fires here with me. I’ve been doing my radio show for 25 years, but I’ve believed what I believe for my whole life. This is fascinating to me — why do conservatives need to be awakened? Why don’t they see it, when it’s right in front of their face?

HOROWITZ: There are two tendencies or tics conservatives have that prevent them from seeing “liberals” as they really are. One is a complacency. They don’t think that things change radically; they’re skeptical of critics like me who say they can. Above all, they don’t see that we find ourselves in a war. They don’t want politics to be a war. They want politics to be about horse-trades and compromise.

RUSH: Now wait, is that Republicans or conservatives?

HOROWITZ: I think this is true of conservatives as well, Rush. It’s not true of you. There are some conservatives who get it, but an awful lot of them have a complacent attitude towards what’s happening, or at least did until Obama was elected.

RUSH: David, you’re zeroing in here on a major, major problem as I see it. I look at so-called conservative commentators in Washington who seem to be content to commentate, but they don’t have any interest in beating this back. I don’t want to mention names, but most of them are that way. Same thing with the Republican Party. You come from the left. You’re one of the founders of the New Left. You’ve emerged; you were in the inner circle. You’ve spent much of your career trying to explain who these people are, the destructive, vicious malice that they have.

HOROWITZ: Yes.

RUSH: And you don’t think — this is astounding to me — you don’t think that the Republicans or conservatives really yet comprehend the seriousness of the threat.

HOROWITZ: No.

RUSH: Wow.

HOROWITZ: No. Otherwise they wouldn’t be squabbling among themselves so much. There’s another thing going on, and that is that the left controls the language. Our universities, our schools, our mainstream media are gone — so if you pick a real fight with the left, you get tarred and feathered, as you know all too well. Conservatives are brought up in a healthy way; they mind their reputations, they don’t want to be bloodied, they don’t want to be looked at as kooks and extremists, which are the terms of abuse that are used.

RUSH: That’s true.

HOROWITZ: And that’s why it’s taken them so long to wake up. Obama is a compulsive, habitual liar. He makes Bill Clinton look like a Boy Scout. Clinton spun things and he did lie about something very personal and embarrassing to him, but Obama lies about everything, and all the time. And yet it’s taken five years for people to start saying this. Including conservatives. Take so-called single payer health care. Why do we use phrases like “single payer?” It’s communism! If the state controls your access to health care, which is what this is about, they control you. This is a fundamental battle for individual freedom, which is what conservatives are about, or should be. But who’s saying this about Obama’s plan to organize health care along communist lines?

RUSH: Let’s talk about persuasion a second. I’ve got true believers in my audience, and I’ve also got elements of the low-information or the swing-voter segment, and then a few leftists who listen. One thing I have discovered over the course of my career is that whenever I’ve used the word “communism” to describe, say, typical modern-day liberals, people say, “Oh, come on, Rush! They’re not communists!” It ends up being counterproductive, because I have found people don’t want to believe that about somebody like Obama. How do we go about persuading people that it is what it is?

HOROWITZ: That’s a very good question. I’m publishing these ten volumes in the hope of persuading some people that is indeed the accurate description for these “liberals” and “progressives.” I think the language problem is a very serious one. I once tried to launch the word “neo-communist.” We talk about neo-fascists, so how about neo-communists? But that doesn’t work. People look at you as a relic if you use the term. But you have to at least say what their agenda is, and their agenda is controlling, is destroying individual freedom. That’s the way I would do it. By continually reminding people of what their agenda is. It’s anti-individual freedom. You can’t talk about the national debt just as an accounting problem. It’s taking away the freedom of future generations. It means that you have to work for the government instead of yourself. Currently we work something like half our lives for the state. Every other day we’re working for the government instead of for ourselves. What Obama is doing is diminishing the realm of freedom. Conservatives need to keep bringing that up all the time.

For seven years I did this campaign on the university issue. My “Academic Bill of Rights” was just to get two sides to a question, that students should be assigned books on both sides of controversial issues and professors should let them make up their own minds. To restore democratic pluralism to the academic classroom. I got minimal support for this campaign from the Republican Party. This is part of the complacency problem. Conservatives gave up the schools. There are conservatives on boards of trustees. A lot of them are businessmen, not willing to engage in the battle, because the left is very good at tarring and feathering. Their name-calling and character assassination tactics are effective.

RUSH: In education, they hold your kids’ future in their hands. You bitch at the school, your kids can get a D or an F and it’s over. And they’re not afraid. They intimidate parents like this left and right.

HOROWITZ: That, too.

RUSH: You had a great piece [Nov. 4] in National Review

HOROWITZ: “Uniting the Right.”

RUSH: You pointed out that Democrats are always in lockstep, in contrast to Republicans, who are all over the place rhetorically and strategically. You said, and I’m quoting here, “The result is that a morally bankrupt, politically tyrannical, economically destructive [Democrat] Party is able to set the course of an entire nation and put it on the road to disaster.” David, people always ask, my callers ask me, “Why don’t the Republicans do ‘x’? Why don’t they do this? Why don’t they do that?” So let me ask you why. Aside from what you’ve said, that there’s a fear of being castigated by the media, mischaracterized. I think media paralysis is a key answer to the question. Republicans simply don’t want to have mean things said about them. They want to be liked by the people who run Washington, D.C. But I don’t even see any pushback from the Republican Party. They’ll go after Ted Cruz and they’ll go after Sarah Palin and they’ll go after Mike Lee, but they won’t go after Obama.

HOROWITZ: Exactly. I have never seen Republicans conduct such bloody warfare as they do against conservatives. They don’t do that to Democrats, ever. And I think it’s great that all the people that you mentioned, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, are people, finally, who don’t care what The Washington Post says, don’t care what The New York Times says, and don’t care what the Republican establishment says. That’s the way it has to be done.

I will tell you that the big difference between the left and the right that I saw when I came into the conservative movement 30 years ago was that the right had no ground army. I watched as the Democratic Party was pushed to the left by the activists in the streets — the MoveOn.org people, the Netroots — until it’s now just a left-wing Party. It was Howard Dean, a 60s leftover, who launched the anti-Iraq war campaign that shifted the whole Democratic Party. But on the Republican side, there was nobody pushing from the right. There was no ground war, no force pushing on Republicans from the grassroots. Now we have the Tea Party.

RUSH: You come from the belly of the beast. We’ve talked about it before, your life, your parents, and how you escaped. You lived this stuff. You were a leader of the left in your youth. Talk about MoveOn.org — these are average Americans. They may make $50,000 a year. The Netroots, they’re a bunch of people in their pajamas, sitting there blogging and posting. What do they think is in it for them? They are not people Obama is prospering.

HOROWITZ: What’s in it for them is the fact that progressivism is a religion, or a crypto-religion. Like religious people, they believe the world is a fallen place. But they also believe that they can be its saviors. Salvation and redemption are not going to come from a divinity, but from the movement they are part of, from the organized left. What they get out of this is the consolation of religion. They get a sense of personal worth; they get a meaning to their lives. That’s what drives them. It’s not money. It’s much more powerful. When Whittaker Chambers left communism, he said, “I’ve left the winning side for the losing side.” Why did he think that? Because communists have ideas they’re willing to die for, and conservatives don’t. Conservatives have to get that idea. They have to understand that their freedom will be lost if we don’t stop the left.

RUSH: About stopping them. I remember last time I spoke to you officially like this it was after you had written The Professors: The 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America, your critique of the Academy. I asked you, “Do you ever foresee the day where we’d beat them back?” You were doubtful that we would ever reclaim education. Can these people be beaten back? Can the right triumph ever again?

HOROWITZ: I remain an optimist, which brings me to the second problem with conservatives. In addition to their decency and their not wanting to make enemies and not wanting to turn politics into war, they’re fatalists. If you think you’re going to lose, you can’t win. That’s very basic. I believe there’s a lot of hope. The ideas of the left are bankrupt. They don’t work. We’re seeing this now with Obamacare. Ludwig von Mises wrote a book in 1922, titled: Socialism. He explained that you can’t centrally plan a large economy, and he showed why. 1922. That’s almost 100 years ago, yet the Democratic Party rammed through Obamacare, ignoring what the last 100 years has proved. They’re going to organize the health care of 300 million Americans with their computers. It’s lunacy. Yet it’s the policy of the whole Democratic Party. They’ve staked their political future on this.

RUSH: You think it will implode?

HOROWITZ: I think they’re going to go down in flames in the coming election. I’m hoping for that, and I can’t see how that won’t happen.

RUSH: I tell you, I hope you’re right, because these series of lies on keeping your policy and your premium getting cheaper, keeping your doctor, these are deeply personal lies that Obama’s told about health care, which is something they’ve elevated to the most important thing in people’s lives. They’ve done that. They’ve made it sound like you can’t go through life without health insurance. You cannot survive. You’re one paycheck away from ruin. You’re one disease away from ruin. And here’s Obama, lying through his teeth on one of the most deeply personal things, health care. Gallup recently had his approval number at 39, David.

HOROWITZ: It’s still way too high, considering who this guy is and what he’s done. When he loses the Jon Stewarts, he’s in serious trouble, but he’s so arrogant he doesn’t realize it. Habitual lying is a characteristic of the left. Leftists are delusional, but they’re not stupid. My parents never called themselves communists. They always described themselves as progressives. When I was a kid, Stalin was alive, and the slogan of the communist party wasn’t “dictatorship of the proletariat,” it wasn’t “a soviet America.” It was “peace, jobs, and democracy.”

Thus to sell Obamacare, they claimed — lied — that it’s to cover the uninsured. But it doesn’t even do that. Everything they said about Obamacare is a lie. Why? Because their real agenda is not health care. It’s to create a socialist state. To do that they need comprehensive control over people’s lives. I never thought I’d be saying this, because I didn’t see it even in a remote future, but we’re on the brink of a one-party state if they were to succeed. If you are ready to use the irs politically, if you have access to every individual’s financial and health care information, and if your spy agency can monitor all communications, you don’t need a secret police to destroy your opponents. Anybody you want to destroy, you’ve got enough information on them and control to stop them. That’s how close we are to a totalitarian state. They want to control your life — for your own good of course — even to the point of whether you can buy Big Gulps. That’s not incidental.

RUSH: No, it’s not. Now when this kind of thing happens, I sit around and I wonder about the average American, somebody who’s not an activist like you or me. Do they not see this, and if they don’t, how can they be made to see it?

HOROWITZ: I don’t think they see it. Most people are averse to politics and don’t pay that much attention. However, Obamacare is going to make them pay attention because his plan affects so many people. You have to start using moral language against these people. I want to hear our guys saying, “This is a threat to individual freedom. You are attacking the freedom of every American when you run up the debt like this. You are attacking the freedom of every American when you put them all in a government-controlled program like this. Government should not have this information.”

Conservatives are caught a little bit on this. We have a problem with the nsa issue. The left is very clear, since they despise America and they don’t care about our national security. But they’re right about the threat to individual liberty with the state having so much information. As I wrote in National Review, we need to make individual freedom our rallying cry. Every time they have a program that hurts individual liberty, we need to stop talking about it as though it was just about money. The money figures are so big, trillions, nobody can even grasp them, unless they’re very involved in the economy and understand it — and then they probably are Republicans.

RUSH: I hold no brief for Ron Paul, but he said something fascinating in his farewell address to Congress. He said the thing that surprises him most is what a tough sell freedom has become.

HOROWITZ: I agree.

RUSH: I do, too. Freedom requires personal responsibility. You’ve got 90 million Americans not working, David, but they’re all eating. They’ve all got big-screen tvs.

HOROWITZ: I know. It’s appalling to me. We need to use a moral language. Notice when the left attacks, it’s always using moral language. Racist, sexist, homophobic, whatever. These attacks sting. We don’t use language like that. We need to. It’s they who are racist. I’ve written a piece about this called, “Fight Fire with Fire.” Why are we letting them get away with their destruction of inner-city minority communities? Detroit, Chicago: why weren’t the disasters Democrats have visited on these cities huge in the Republican campaign last time? Democrats control these cities, they’ve controlled them for half a century and more. They’re ruining, destroying the lives of young black and Hispanic kids in these cities, and poor whites there as well. They’re 100 percent responsible for that, yet we never mention it.

It is beyond me. Conservative pundits probably read the Federalist Papers and they understand that we have a really wise system set up for competing interests, so you balance off this and that. They don’t want to be at war, and particularly a moral war, with other Americans. But that is the reality. The left has already made it that. Republicans are treated as though they’re of the Party of Satan. That goes with the religious nature of leftist beliefs. Progressives believe that they are creating the Kingdom of Heaven on earth and that people who oppose them are the Party of the Devil. That’s the way they fight. We have to use that kind of language. Fight fire with fire.

RUSH: You’re nailing it. You came up with something in this book that I think is worth repeating, and to me it’s brilliant. I would never have seen it had you not pointed it out. You write that the fall of soviet communism had the unforeseen effect of freeing leftists from the burden of defending failed Marxist states, which in turn allowed them to emerge as a major force in American life. That’s so right on. The failure of communism, ironically, led to a rebirth of it in this country. We wipe it out in the Soviet Union, and a shining example of its atrocities goes away, and it becomes a tougher sell to educate people what it is.

HOROWITZ: Exactly, and leftists saw that at the time. That’s the first thing they said about it. They looked on the bright side right away. That’s why connecting them to the communists is very important. It’s part of the battle. Republicans, and conservatives as well, have let the foreign policy issue, national security, slip off the political radar. Barack Obama is a supporter of the Islamofascists. He’s supporting the Muslim Brotherhood, an organization that wants to exterminate the Jews and kill Christians and destroy America. Obama and Hillary have supported them. Their Administration is infiltrated by Islamist agents. That’s why Benghazi is so important, and why I’m really encouraged that Republicans haven’t let it totally disappear.

RUSH: That was so frustrating when Mitt Romney let that go.

HOROWITZ: But that’s a perfect example, a perfect example. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have the blood of those American heroes on their hands. What Obama did and did not do is the most shameful act in the history of the American Presidency. It’s beyond politics. You turn your back on these heroic people who are fighting for their lives and calling for help? How un-American is that? And where is the language to describe that, coming out of the mouths of our political leaders?

To go back to our earlier discussion, it was the emergence of the Tea Party that made possible a Ted Cruz, a Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and others — there are actually quite a few in the House who are standing really tall.

RUSH: The Republican Party is trying to wipe them out, David.

HOROWITZ: It’s a battle, and I don’t think our people are going to be intimated. The grassroots will prevent that.

RUSH: They’re not going to be intimidated at all.

HOROWITZ: And you of course have had a tremendous role in this. When I came into the conservative movement 30 years ago, there was no ground force. There was no grassroots army. A grassroots army is very important because you can’t take away their perks. Washington can corrupt anybody who gets there, as evidenced by the impossibility of getting Congress to impose Obamacare on themselves. But you can’t bribe people at the ground level. They don’t have the privileges, so you can’t take them away, and that’s why they’re so important — and they’re the people who give power to the voices of resistance. They elected Ted Cruz and Rand Paul and Mike Lee. I’m just hoping over time, there will be more like them.

You are without question the most important voice in having created this grassroots army. I think I told you once that I went to speak at the University of Idaho in Pocatello, Idaho 15 years ago. I always asked the students who invited me to speak, “How did you get your conservative ideas?” Before I got to ask the kid who picked me up from the airport, he popped a tape into his dashboard player, and it’s you. That’s how he got his conservative education. So now he is an adult, he has a family, and he’s probably involved in the Tea Party movement.

I think this is the key for conservatives. We should hold Republicans’ feet to the fire, but the main thing is to organize at the ground level, put the pressure on, and remember that the Democrats — not other Republicans — are the enemy. We need to be saying that “liberals,” “progressives,” are vicious, unscrupulous, they’re character assassins, and they’re racists. Nobody is holding them to account right now in the public discourse — yourself, Mark Levin, and people like you excepted. But when you began, Rush, it was just you. That was the conservative voice nationally: just you. Now we have a lot of media. This is where I derive my hope. I see tremendous developments in the conservative movement that probably conservatives don’t see as clearly as I do, because I saw these as missing elements when I came into the right.

RUSH: Well, you’re right about one thing, there is so much pessimism on our side, and it’s got to be overcome. Your book is fabulous. It’s a compendium, but so timely. Congratulations on it, because there is a lifetime of work in this. I really wish you the best, and I’m going to do everything I can to push it.

HOROWITZ: Thank you, Rush. I’m a small voice. I so much appreciate your support.

RUSH: You’ll always have it. This is really great, and I really appreciate you making time.

©2013 The Limbaugh Letter, reprinted by permission.

  • truebearing

    It is a pleasure to witness a conversation between Limbaugh and Horowitz. These are men with true clarity, courage, and dedication. If we on the Right fail, it won’t be for their lack of effort or leadership.

    • soldout_in_sf

      The paranoid right is alive and well, and too dumb to realize the majority of Americans don’t support its cockamamy policy proposals.

      • Kafir911

        How ignorant are you? Are we to understand that progressives have all the answers? You have no understanding of history.Take a look at the results of socialism vs. capitalism for crying out loud.

        • truebearing

          That would require an interest in the truth and the initiative to seek it, which he lacks entirely. He just wanted to let us know that he is a deranged, angry gay man, wearing what appears to be some sort of chamber pot on his head.

      • truebearing

        Paranoia is a healthy response when the democidal Left is in power.

        You have it backwards, naturally. The majority of Americans were too stupid to see through the lies of the Left, hence Obama and his disastrous Obamacare scam. Now Americans are starting to agree with the Right in big numbers, thanks to the extreme pain of Obamacare, and that is what is upsetting losers like yourself.

        What’s wrong? Got HIV and can’t afford your deductible under Obamacare? Well, elections have consequences.

      • mamapjs

        When there is a real threat, it isn’t “paranoia”. There is a very real threat to this nation, and you need to wake up.

      • nobody

        It is always good to see beyond what is in front of you people because if it is not happening literally in the moment it is just around the bend. YOU ARE ALL ISLAMO-NAZIS. And I am paranoid?!?! Is that the best you clowns can come up with in the presence of truth? Gee, you must be the gestapo SS with that helmet. Uh, I guess you would say I am paranoid and you just enjoy biking. But I know your type. It is called SOCIALISM.

      • Demetrius Minneapolis

        Be honest, you didn’t read the article did you?

  • Texas Patriot

    Exposing the negative effect of Leftist and Islamist forces at work in American politics is only part of the problem. The bigger challenge for Conservatives is articulating a positive vision for the future that all Americans can believe in.

    • glpage

      It could be as simple as saying conservatism wants to preserve individual freedom, leftism/socialism/progressivism/etc. wants to enslave us.

      • Texas Patriot

        Unfortunately, we live in a bankrupt nation with the worst educational system of any major industrialized country. We have the most sedentary and obese population of any nation on earth, and our health care costs per capita are twice as high as anyone else. We have steadily lost jobs and entire industries to overseas competition, yet our corporate taxes remain higher than any other nation. The truth is that we have ceased to become competitive internationally, and we are now in a state of economic decline.

        Unless Conservatives can formulate a vision of an American Industrial Renaissance based on energy independence, scientific innovation, educational excellence, health and physical fitness, and international economic competitiveness, my guess is that trying to win elections with the philosophical ideal of “freedom” alone will be an uphill battle. The American people are in deep economic trouble, and they need more than abstract ideas to get excited about.

        The American people already know that Leftists, Socialists, and Islamists want to enslave us. The question they will have is what future do Conservatives offer that is any better. And if we want to reclaim political leadership of the future of America, we’re going to need to be able to answer that question in no uncertain terms.

      • soldout_in_sf

        Enslave you? You are enslaved by low wages and dead end jobs, because the wealthy “job creators” you’ve given huge tax breaks to have kept your wages low and moved the good jobs overseas.

        • Texas Patriot

          SOLDOUT_IN_SF: “Enslave you? You are enslaved by low wages and dead end jobs, because the wealthy “job creators” you’ve given huge tax breaks to have kept your wages low and moved the good jobs overseas.”

          Hey Soldout,

          You’re exactly the kind of guy I want to convert to the Republican Party, and here’s why. There is no question that the United States has lost millions and millions of jobs and even entire industries to overseas competition, and if the United States is going to have any kind of future going forward, we need to turn that around. If you’ve got the time, I want you to watch this video and tell me what you think.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWM08DzTuhY

          It’s a presentation by a guy named Rob Atkinson and he’s an expert on high technology and innovation. His thesis is that America has lost much of its former competitive edge in high value-added manufacturing, (and therefore the kind of high paying jobs that go with it) because of a very predictable set of policies that need to be reversed.

          If you want to be a part of a REVOLUTION that makes that happen and creates a RENAISSANCE of industrial activity and prosperity for all Americans, you are just the kind of guy America (and the Republican Party) needs.

        • truebearing

          Texas Patriot gave “huge tax breaks” to wealthy job creators? That’s funny. I thought Obama was the only one who usurped constitutional authority to do that… ad nauseam. And you support Obama, so what’s your beef? You like Fascism, so let TP have some of the action.

          Try thinking without your idiotic ideology and your pre-digested, leftist babbling points. Maybe you won’t sound quite as stupid.

          • Texas Patriot

            Hey TB, I’m trying to recruit this guy for a REPUBLICAN REVOLUTION and an INDUSTRIAL RENAISSANCE that I think we need in America. He wasn’t really talking so much about me so much as all Republicans, and it’s clear that he’s repeating much of the rhetoric that he’s heard about greedy job creators who don’t want to pay a fair wage and don’t want to pay taxes so they’re moving offshore, etc. etc. etc.

            There’s some truth to all that, but much more of it is a MYTH that we’re going to need to overcome if we hope to win back the great majority of Americans who have been devastated by the degradation and deconstruction of the greatest industrial economy in the history of the world by fifty years of corruption and poor decision-making at the highest levels of our government.

            Look at it this way, if we can figure out where SOLDOUT_IN_SF is coming from and whether he really wants to be a part of a new American revolution and renaissance of productivity and prosperity in America, we can learn a lot about what it’s going to take to reach out to millions of people just like him. So I think we need to give him a fair shot to be heard.

          • johnnywood

            So “truebearing” would you care to explain to us what is constitutional about government taxing “wealth creators”, since every dollar taken out of the private sector hurts the over-all economy?

    • truebearing

      It comes down to translating, in graphic terms, what the Left has historically done when in power, and what they are doing now that parallels their heinous past. Then we need to translate what conservatism means in everyday life, for average people, by putting forth simple contrasting examples, eg. “with Obamacare you can’t even sign up to pay four times as much as you were paying, to only get denied care by a death panel. With our private insurance, professionals who have to compete will insure your care, and there are no death panels.”

      The lack of education is part of the problem, but the kind of education is the larger part. People are being taught what to think, not how to think. That is the most pernicious aspect of Leftist indoctrination.

      • Texas Patriot

        I agree with all that. But without a clear vision of how Conservatives are offering something much better as an alternative, attacking the deficiencies of Communist, Leftist, Socialist, and Islamist policies will only get you so far. And that is where Conservatives have dropped the ball.

        • truebearing

          I agree. Too often conservatives are too satisfied with knowing what is right. They aren’t willing to step out of their comfort zone and do what it takes to teach it. Rush’s comment on conservative commentators is in a similar vein. A good deal of the commentating is negative analysis aimed at conservatives who are actually doing something besides flapping their learned lips.

        • johnnywood

          Where Conservatives have “dropped the ball” is when we feel like we have to come up with an alternative plan to counter everything the Leftists come up with. We do not need Government involvement in most the things we do in our daily lives. Get over the notion that we need Democrap-lite. Please!

          • Texas Patriot

            Big John,

            What we need is leadership. The truth is that cars don’t drive themselves. Ships don’t sail themselves. And nations don’t operate effectively without an honest partner in government. We need moral and economic leadership for the future of America that makes America FIRST IN THE 21ST in prosperity and human rights for all Americans. And if you will watch the video that I posted for Soldout_in_sf, you will understand the steps we need to take economically in order to do that.

          • johnnywood

            Leadership yes, Democrap-lite, no.I do not favor alternatives to mindless Leftist programs. The government should stay out of our day to day lives.

      • soldout_in_sf

        The failure of private for-profit insurance is why reform was needed.

        Just wondering, where did you go to college? Liberty U.?

        • truebearing

          Private insurance didn’t fail, and Obamacare was allegedly created to control rising costs. You are batting .000, which I assume is normal for you.

          Is it your moronic contention that Obamacare is somehow working? Are you that deluded, or are you getting paid in Big Macs and Muscatel to troll Frontpage? So far, given the efficacy of your attempts, you’ll be lucky to get a cold Happy Meal.

          I went to the UW-Madison, where there are proportionately just as many mindless, Marxist mutants as there are in San Francisco. I guess you could say that I have been educated by the Left’s failure and stupidity.

          Thanks for commenting. I love backhanding you guys around.

          • johnnywood

            Insurance would be much efficient if the Government would butt-out. and mind their own business.

        • johnnywood

          Where did you go to college? troll.

        • MLCBLOG

          It has not failed in my HMO. It is thriving except for the govt restrictions. Your opinion (quoted as fact) against mine here.

    • MLCBLOG

      ..and unity.

    • johnnywood

      Also waking up the mind-numbed robots who are “busy” sitting on their couches watching “Entertainment Tonight” and “Dancing with the Stars” to actually pay attention to the destruction going on around them. Do the majority of Americans even understand what is being done to them or are they the proverbial “frog in the pan of boiling water”?

      • Texas Patriot

        JW: “Do the majority of Americans even understand what is being done to them or are they the proverbial “frog in the pan of boiling water”?”

        No, they do not!

  • Jason

    I couldnt agree more when you say that liberals aren’t liberals. Liberalism is about freedom, and liberals in America are as anti freedom as you can get. Conservatives are liberals, we’re the ones who support free speech, free enterprise, treating adults like adults, equality under the law. All of those things are in essence an expression of liberty. Horowitz, you’re so right when you say that the modern left is in effect “neo-communist”. I agree with you, let’s stop calling them liberal. Communist, totalitarian, fascist, racist are all better epithets for the modern left.

    • soldout_in_sf

      War is peace. Hate is love.

      • truebearing

        You don’t need to document your moral turpitude any more. We get it.

        • soldout_in_sf

          Jesus espoused liberal philosophy. You don’t understand it. “Totalitarian, fascist, racist” are strategies of your right wing depravation.

      • Debbie G

        Are you a Haight-Ashbury relic?

  • PAthena

    Note that the terms “left” and “right” come from the French Revolution. In the National Assembly, which sat in a semi-circle, the left-hand side were the Jacobins and the right-hand side the monarchists, clericals, etc. The so-called “left” are those in the Jacobin tradition, led by Maximillian Robespierre; the French Revolution made revolution fashionable, and Karl Marx was in this tradition.
    What are called “right” nowadays are not, of course, monarchists or clericals. They are those who are not “left,” and perhaps this kind of classification should be dropped, as if there are only two kinds of political views. The “left,” as David Horowitz describes it is communist, Marxist. But their classification should not be used. The non-left includes the lovers of liberty, including John Stuart Mill – the real liberal – George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln. This month is the 150th anniversary of the Gettysburg Address by Lincoln, and alas, the 50th anniversary of the assassination of President Kennedy. The assassin of Lincoln, John Wilkes Booth, wanted tyranny over Negroes – slavery, so his cry “Sic semper tyrannus, was self-contradictory. The assassin of Kennedy, Lee Harvey Oswald, also supported tyranny, Communism. The contrast between Kennedy, who loved his country and opposed communism, and President Barack Hussein Obama, anti-American, anti-liberty, supporter of Islamism, including that of Iran, is revealing. Obama is a protege of Bill Ayers, communist terrorist, and member of the church of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, anti-American, anti-white, anti-semitic. How Obama got nominated by the Democratic Party shows how the Democrats have gone downhill since the changes wrought by George McGovern.

    • NAHALKIDES

      Actually, there’s nothing wrong with the Left-Right spectrum as long as we don’t allow the Left to define the Right as including Nazis and Skinheads. The basic political question, shall man be free or a slave of the state, is a dichotomy. The fact is that German Nazism emerged directly from socialism and was therefore definitely a Leftist movement, and while there are any number of crackpot political movements out there, they could all be pegged as “Left” or “Right” depending on whether they are basically statist or not. “Right” should be take to mean a movement toward individual freedom.

      • DownTurn

        > German Nazism emerged directly from socialism

        Even the name “Nazism” itself is an abbreviation of “National Socialism”

        • NAHALKIDES

          Indeed. I have no idea who downvoted you – probably some socialist uncomfortable with the fact you enunciated.

          • soldout_in_sf

            Down votes are because of revisionist history. The Germans FOUGHT the communists from Russia, there was no linkage between the two philosophies. Conservatives can’t keep socialism and communism distinct from one another.

            Your “right wing” philosophy is about totalitarian control, of women’s bodies, of worker’s right to bargain collectively in order for you to depress wages, etc.

          • NAHALKIDES

            Such mental confusion! Remember, the Germans first allied with Russia before attacking them, and it is no surprise that two Left-wing countries would go to war with one another – rule by force is what Leftism is all about. Note that Russia and China were uneasy allies at best when both were under communist rule.

            And there is no “right” to bargain collectively, if the other side does not agree.

          • soldout_in_sf

            You’re why Walmart can get away with paying poverty wages. Are you proud of yourself?

          • NAHALKIDES

            Right – it’s all my fault. The laws of supply and demand (and high levels of immigration) have nothing to do with wage levels.

          • soldout_in_sf

            Typical. Blame immigrants and not those responsible, the business owners who prefer to pocket bigger profits than to pay living wages. Then they wonder why people don’t have money to consume the products they are shilling.

          • Debbie G

            It appears that your major beef is that you don’t have enough money. Union thug.

    • MLCBLOG

      Thank you. I am always happy to learn some relevant history. Very interesting.

      Yes, the French Revolution had it backwards. Whether they started out well, I know they were directly opposed to our concept of freedom and liberty. Long live the guillotine??! translate, no free press. Stop all ideas and speech except the one accepted PC position!!

      …but Downhill since McGovern?! Perhaps because I have lived longer than you. McG WAS downhill in contrast to the formerly upstanding fairly free-thinking Democrat party (a la JFK).

      • soldout_in_sf

        The French revolution had it backwards? It was BASED on the US revolution. YOU have it backwards.

        Thanks for the dose of humor.

        • MLCBLOG

          Read a bit deeper. You may be surprised.

  • glpage

    Walter Williams made a comment about Obamacare being nothing more than redistribution of money from me and you to the non-contributors and, as such, we are being forced to give our belongings, that which we worked for, to people who do not work to get anything. The notion that we have to give involuntarily to others is slavery. We need to make sure people understand that Obama and the left want to enslave us.

    • soldout_in_sf

      Now you look like a pretzel.

  • obama_insurance

    A start against the left would be to call “obama.care” what it really is : health insurance. Why should the right buy into the lie that care is involved? What other steps can a conservative republican take to make a difference as an individual?

    • arlierayjr

      That’s exactly right, we must not use the terms or language the democrats want us to use, This is the 1st step to winning the debate.

    • MLCBLOG

      The plan of the left was and ever shall be the total destruction of civilized society. Simple. So O “care” is just one more, and admittedly a big, ploy to do just that. Destroy our medical care system. That is the plan. All the flak about the site not working, etc., etc, is to my way of thinking simply a smoke screen while they dismantle our docs and our hospitals from top to bottom…or how does Van Jones say it? Bottom up. I should say!! So, now David and Rush are reconsidering the terms “liberal,” etc. ??? sort of like old guys coming to the party. However, they are are still leaders for us.

  • MacMac1000

    – I started out with Reagan, Rush, and David long ago, and dose of Michael Savage. I think I’ve since graduated to a better understanding as I did not stop with only their influence and advice. There was far more to be learned and absorbed elsewhere.
    – Amazing that they are so puzzled about some things, like why the Republicans/GOP are so impotent. Easy one to understand: COWARDICE, not just “fear” of the media whores on the Left. And how is it that they, both Rush and David, fail to understand that the commie infiltrated Democrat party is filled with no-conscience whatsoever SOCIOPATHS! David, Rush! This is how they are so able to lie lie lie and lie! NO-CONSCIENCE! They could easily pass any polygraph exam with flying colors. In fact, they can justify ANYTHING at all because they are sociopaths! How do you think those millions and millions of innocent people were so easily brutally murdered, starved, imprisoned, worked to death in that last century?!
    –While I have respect for Rush and David as the early mentors they were and for what they have said in this interview, there is a lot that they don’t seem to recognize or give thought to, and even more that they simply refuse to talk about.
    –There are many truths that need to be told, but many well meaning folks on the Right will not listen to or speak those truths and facts if they even minutely exceed the bounds of their political comfort zones.

    • MLCBLOG

      Cowardice. Exactly!! compromised principles are disgusting and not in the grand tradition of our great country.

      • johnnywood

        Repulicraps= Democrap-lite.

  • Ray – Lord Protect Israel.

    Happy Thanksgiving to all my fellow patriots.

    • truebearing

      Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

  • arlierayjr

    When it comes to what Horowitz is saying, language is politically controlled by the democrats. Conservatives use words or phrases like “gay” for homosexual, “Choice” for abortion, etc.When Obama shut down the government in October, people were using the word ‘shutdown’ when Obama SHUTOUT citizens and vets from the National Parks.Our side should have been saying SHUT OUT. Whenever you hear a democrat describe a problem, they use a word that pigeon holes its meaning if you try to argue against it. For instance. “Pro Choice”, if your against it you’re easily identified against “Choice”.Today’s example is Obama’s use of ‘Health Care” when he talks about socialized medicine, Obamacare. Call it Obamcare NOT the “ACA” or “Affordable Care Act”..because if you oppose it you’re against “Affordable health care”. That is how we fight back. The GOP always uses the democrats language, so I cut off the RNC and the national GOP party efforts from my funding them, until they start fighting back, even in the use of words.

    • Wolfthatknowsall

      Controlling the language is crucial. I agree with you …

    • soldout_in_sf

      Except conservatives never use those terms, as you claim. To a conservative, “choice” is “abortion clinic,” a gay person is a “faggot.” Even the media you wrongly define as “liberal” uses the term “abortion clinic” for a women’s health care service.

      Just like your ass backwards perspective of the government shutdown. Obama had no role in the shutdown OR the government services that were stopped. The republican House refused to call a vote which would have passed and immediately stopped the threat of a shutdown. You can’t blame the president when it was the House republicans who didn’t want to bring the resolution to a vote. And why didn’t they want to bring it to a vote?

      BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE PASSED, even though a “majority of the majority” (republicans) didn’t support it, enough did to pass the bill.

  • Cuppa

    Clown on clown action. Gross.

    • JamesJ

      Thanks for proving the gist of the article

  • Michael__Durham

    Another problem Limbaugh and Horowitz do not address is this:

    The Left, “progressives” and Democrats simply do not understand WHY there is a Republican party, or why there are conservatives.

    The Left views governance as their automatic birthright, everywhere, and for all time.They view government and politics as the end-all / be-all of existence, of life, of reality, itself. Why should there be a party that opposes that? Why should there be Republicans and conservatives? Why should anyone feel a need to oppose centralized control of government, cultural and media, let alone organize parties or political movements with that animus?

    Leftists view conservatives, Republicans and members of the Tea Party movement as self-negating. They view their mere existence as utter, complete self-negation. Leftists view the very act of “organizing” as their own. Why would anyone want to undo that?

    I think this goes right to the core of this war. The two sides cannot possibly agree on first principles regarding the nature of man, the nature of the state and the citizen’s relation to it, the nature of the marketplace, or even the very nature of reality itself.

    This war is getting worse, and will continue to do so. And only one side – the Left – is waging it. And they are winning it. Indeed, in many ways, they’ve won.

    • MLCBLOG

      I think they addressed this all through their conversation.

      • Michael__Durham

        They really didn’t.

  • sonoftompaine

    At least two years ago, at a gatherig of Gary Sinise’s FOA sho biz group, I asked
    David WHY he calls socialists and communists the nice words of “liberal” and “conservative”, and he got instantly furious with me, dismissed me, no discussion,
    no intellectual David, just an angrey David. And he continued, on and on, using the words “liberal” and Progressive” INCORRECTLY in his otherwise interesting slick paper newsletter. I would mark, in red ink, his repeated use of these fake ID words. I was continuously disgusted.
    Also, I sent Rush DOZENS of emails (no other way to reach him) asking basically the same questions. Nothing.
    Suddenly, here they are with their “awakening”, a little late, but never to late to WAKE UP. Now with both David, reasonably smal market and Rush, reasonably BIG market following, now maybe my missionary goal to call these destroyers what they ARE can be realized …. just in time ! before the commies take us down the drain!

    • MLCBLOG

      Good for you if you are making a difference!!

    • LogicNotHuff

      They are probably trying to keep from being assassinated by Democrat Commie assassins who have forced Jim DeMint to resign (I say this because why would someone at the peak of their career and power resign to go off into a little academic box) and Michelle Bachmann (likewise, except to “go home to family”). We are fighting the American NAZI movement and they are killers and murderers. Go to Politijim and read all about it.

  • alericKong

    The left’s shear stupidity and utter incompetence ruins their malicious intent. After all this struggling to elect Obama, what do they have to show for it? A horde of apathetic voters with diminishing enthusiasm? Cannibalizing their own paper money savings to stay in power? Closing down hospitals to give out free birth control? Universal preschool?

    They may have been able to control Russian peasants and Chinese farmers, but they will never control Americans.

    • MLCBLOG

      I love your share here. I couldn’t agree more. May they continue to self-destruct, as ever it shall be. This is the main basis for my hope.

      Trouble is, do people see it?

  • soldout_in_sf
  • MLCBLOG

    I like this because it gives stature and recognition to Rush who started it all! No one was on the radio with a popular conservative voice until he came along circa 1988. Lest we forget. I’d like to see us support one another at least for our achievements. That is one thing the left has on us. They stick together. We need to learn this in MHO.

    • Guest

      Rush came about because the fairness provision in the FCC licensing code, which MANDATED that networks broadcasting over the public airwaves had to represent both left and right equally, was tossed out by Ronald Raygun. Rush’s popularity is no measure of his political and social validity, it’s because he tells his gullible listeners not to trust anyone but him, and then he feeds them (you) nonsense and says “see, the rest of the media is scared to cover this.” The reality is that the rest of the media does not parrot Rush’s half-truths and hatred (feminizes, anyone?).

      Rush is a successful blow hard, and here’s a clue as to why you shouldn’t trust him: His self-aggrandizing gold microphone and his naming his network, “Excellence In Broadcasting.” It’s as big a con as Fox calling itself “Fair And Balanced” when any sane person can see that it’s highly partisan and unhinged. Sure a lot of people “buy” what Rush and Fox are selling (and trust me it’s a business for them, not a belief). A lot of people buy carbonated sugar water, but that doesn’t mean it’s good for you.

    • soldout_in_sf

      sh came about because the fairness provision in the FCC licensing code, which MANDATED that networks broadcasting over the public airwaves had to represent both left and right equally, was tossed out by Ronald Raygun. Rush’s popularity is no measure of his political and social validity, it’s because he tells his gullible listeners not to trust anyone but him, and then he feeds them (you) nonsense and says “see, the rest of the media is scared to cover this.” The reality is that the rest of the media does not parrot Rush’s half-truths and hatred (feminazies, anyone?).

      Rush is a successful blow hard, and here’s a clue as to why you shouldn’t trust him: His self-aggrandizing gold microphone and his naming his network, “Excellence In Broadcasting.” It’s as big a con as Fox calling itself “Fair And Balanced” when any sane person can see that it’s highly partisan and unhinged. Sure a lot of people “buy” what Rush and Fox are selling (and trust me it’s a business for them, not a belief). A lot of people buy carbonated sugar water, but that doesn’t mean it’s good for you.

      • MLCBLOG

        Nice try at debunking everything I said throughout.

        A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.
        — B. Franklin

  • Kafir911

    Conservatives Tea Party types have to develop thicker skins. Who cares what the msm “pundits” or the “leaders” in this abysmal administration have to say? It’s no time to play nice.

    • johnnywood

      I am a member of the Tea Party and I don`t give a rip about what the Democraps/MSM say about me but I wish the Republicraps would start supporting us instead of attacking us. I do not care for Democrap-lite.

      • soldout_in_sf

        You are a fringe group with no mainstream validity. That’s why your own party is attacking you.

  • Richard

    Once upon a time, I would laugh when Democrats were equated with communism; not anymore. When I think of their ideology these days, it reminds of a next generation Star Trek episodes about the “Borg”. The Borg were half biological and half machine. They wanted to absorb other races into their totalitarian world. They would proclaim, “We will assimilate you, do not resist.” At one time the captain of the Enterprise became a Borg, though later on he was rescued. When you see what’s happening to this country, the way big government wants total control over all, ( by missusing the IRS and NSA, for example) you have to wonder; are we being assimilated by a giant machine that controls all. Is that what the democrats want? Will Hilary Clinton become the “Borg Queen” if you get my metaphor?

  • ben t

    I hate to be considered a Pollyanna but I believe in order to produce the goods and services an industrial society demands, that the LAW of Supply and Demand dooms any other system but free market Capitalism; which, in turn, needs truly representative political structures. And the most efficacious of these is a republic. In the short run, repressive regimes will conquer and rule but , eventually, they will fall when the general population becomes disgusted enough with its ruling class.

  • MLCBLOG

    …their real agenda is not health care. It’s to create a socialist state…

    Bingo! Their agenda, as I observed it while I was one of them, is destruction, pure and simple. The govt is our savior, and they know not what of they speak.

    • soldout_in_sf

      The government is of the people, by the people, for the people, just not your narrow minded low information type of people.

  • LogicNotHuff

    The Bible says that those that act against Israel will have the servants takeover and make a spoils of the place [Zechariah 2:7-9]. The USA has extorted Israel starting in the 90′s with Clinton to give land to the PLO terrorists. With Obama’s innate Satanic nature, there is no telling how awful measures he is using to extort Israel; we know he regularly betrays their intelligence (see a pattern here?), but we know it is really really bad. So the USA has had the children of the servants takeover and they are plundering the USA, where they trash and vandalize national resource and wealth for a return of aiding their buddies, the enemies of the United States and of pennies on the dollar for gains for their fellow government dependents. Bible also says that the nation that sacrifices its sons and daughters (abortion) will be ruled by heathen [Psalm 106]. We are there, America. Bible also says that those who try to split the land of God’s Chosen People, The Jews, will have their land split, and the United States is on the verge of fracture. We are there America. We are being plundered by the children of the servants and are ruled by Muslim heathen and are about to be fractured. Turn to Jesus.

    • soldout_in_sf

      The book of fables says a lot of things, but then so does the Harry Potter series.