Islam and Environmentalism: United in Anti-Humanism


With Al Gore’s Current TV now sold to Al Jazeera, Woodstock and Mecca now unite, and Allah and Mother Earth are joined together in marriage. The purchase brings us to a much deeper topic, and that is that the ideology of Islam coincides with much of what the environmentalists uphold. Al Gore claims to be a Christian, but in fact he would rather praise Islam than subscribe to any Christian ideals. Gore actually once wrote:

Islam, for example, offers familiar themes. The prophet Muhammad said, “The world is green and beautiful and God has appointed you His stewards over it.” The central concepts of Islam taught by the Qur’ân – Tawheed (unity), khalifa (trusteeship), akharah (accountability) – also serve as the pil- lars of the Islamic environmental ethic. The earth is the sacred cre- ation of Allah…The Qur’ân declares that “we have created everything from water.” In the Lotus ‘Sutra,’ Buddha is presented metaphorically as a “rain cloud,” covering, permeating, fertilizing, and enriching “all parched living beings, to free them from their misery to attain the joy of peace, joy of the present world and joy of Nirvana…”

Islam really is rooted in naturism. Allah is a product of the Venus goddess Athtar, and is the male counterpart to the earth goddess Allat. The Blackstone itself, the holiest idol in Islam, was originally a fertility symbol, which is still placed in a frame shaped in the form of a vulva.

The result of wholly accepting environmentalism is the exalting of animals and the belittling of man. Hence why the Quran says that humans are of lesser value than is creation: “The heavens and the earth is greater than the creation of man; but most people know not” (Q 40:57). Even the animal kingdom is on par with humans: “No creature is there on earth nor a bird flying with its wings but they are nations like you” (Q 6:38). Abdul Haseeb Ansari, in Islamic Law, explaining the significance of this verse, warns against arrogance and says that the believers (Muslims) are “no better than other creatures” (p. 34). This reminds me of when Ingrid Newkirk, the president of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), declared: “When it comes to feelings, a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. There is no rational basis for saying that a human being has special rights.”

The result of disrespecting human life is collectivism, since the individual is trampled upon and made no better than a herd servile to the state. Human life does not belong to God, but to the government. This is exactly what Thomas Malthus, the father of modern human population paranoia, wanted when he wrote:

All children born, beyond what would be required to keep up the population to a desired level, must necessarily perish, unless room is made for them by the deaths of grown persons. We should facilitate, instead of foolishly and vainly endeavoring to impede, the operations of nature in producing this mortality.

To deem human life as no better than an animal leads to actions such as those committed by these Syrian jihadists, who opened fire on innocent people driving in their car:

http://youtu.be/9GFo9zRc9e4

Or to purely evil practices, such as burning human beings alive simply for being Christians:

http://youtu.be/Fq1EEgXS6e4

Christianity is the greatest foe to the demeaning of human life, and to the anti-human movement found in both environmentalism and Islam.

It is no marvel, then, that Paul Ehrlich, a proponent of human population control, wrote that in order to dramatically decrease the population in America, the country needs to replace its Judeo-Christian roots with Animism – a religion which only exists predominantly in third world nations:

Somehow we’ve got to change from a growth-oriented, exploitative system to one focused on stability and conservation. Our entire system of orienting to nature must undergo a revolution. And that revolution is going to be extremely difficult to pull off, since the attitudes of Western culture toward nature are deeply rooted in Judeo-Christian tradition. Unlike people in many other cultures, we see man’s basic role as that of dominating nature, rather than as living in harmony with it. Professor Lynn White, Jr., has elegantly discussed this entire problem in Science magazine. He points out, for instance, that before the Christian era trees, springs, hills, streams, and other objects of nature had guardian spirits. These spirits had to be approached and placated before one could safely invade their territory. As White says, “By destroying pagan animism, Christianity made it possible to exploit nature in a mood of indifference to the feelings of natural objects… Both our present science and our present technology are so tinctured with orthodox Christian arrogance toward nature that no solution for our ecological crisis can be expected from them alone. Since the roots of our trouble are so largely religious, the remedy must also be essentially religious, whether we call it that or not.’

Islam too wants to replace Christianity with its cult of Mecca and the Blackstone. Any country which has been taken by Islam loses its respect for human life. Where Christianity is, life is honored; where Islam or Leftism prevails, humanity is lost.

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  • Michael Copeland

    By their fruits shall you know them. Need we have any doubt ?

    • http://www.adinakutnicki.com AdinaK

      Not only that, but a "religion" which reveres death more than life, is an ideology which is tied to blood. Hence, Islam & Blood are inextricably linked, as evidenced amply within the linked policy paper – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/07/13/islam-blood-a

      And the obsession with "mother Earth", at the expense of human life, is a hallmark of leftism. The two are a match made in hell.

      Adina kutnicki, Israel – http://adinakutnicki.com/about/

      • Mary Sue

        What I always found hilarious is how backwards the "Gaia religion" (or what passes for it, among leftists) is. I don't mean backwards as in stone age, though that's certainly applicable as well. I mean backwards, as in, the Humans (the creations of the "god") are more powerful than the "god" itself. The Humans save the "god", not the other way around. Backwards. Illogical.

  • Chanameel

    Islam is always good for culling populations.

    Al is right.

    • JoJoJams

      Yep. That's why the powers and principalities of the elites are in bed with islam. The wh0re of Babylon is riding the 10-headed beast…. But the beast will turn on her….history and prophecy show the inevitable.

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    The carbon footprint of Al Gorezerra will destroy Al Jazzera.

    Me like!

    • objectivefactsmatter

      His own sheer mass will at some point destroy the elevators. We might have to take care of AJ ourselves.

  • Mark Musser

    There is an interesting book on Muslims and Environmentalism entitled "Green Deen," written by Ibrahim Abdul Matin who believes that the "Earth is a Mosque." Matin works for Mayor Bloomberg in New York City's Sustainable Development wing. One of his heroes is Malcom X who he claims was a vegetarian. Matin was also one of the spokesmen for the Green Mosque plan near Ground Zero a few years back. He is a buddy of Keith Ellison and did work for "Green For All" under Van Jones.

  • Joe Roman

    The mingling of clay and iron.

    • Mary Sue

      iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting… you could be right!

  • Spider

    If you want to lower the population of America why not start deporting the 15 Million Illegals. Meanwhile seal the border off with the military so no newcomers are trampling and littering the pristine desert in Arizona. Why isn't the so called green movement in favor of this.?

  • FPF

    "Allah and Mother Earth are joined". Allah is the moon god and the moon is always deemed as female. Female and Female united? Logical to the left's ideology and logical to Islam if they stone themselves to death!

    • Mary Sue

      Yeah, but in PreIslamic Arabia, the Sun god(ess) was female, and the Moon deity was male. Kinda backwards from how most everybody else had it.

  • FPF

    The videos make me very very mad and sad. Human beings cannot possibly come up with this kind of savage brutality, only those who are under influences by Satan.

    • kafir4life

      They're called "muslims". They practice "islam". A gutter-cult to be sure.

      allahu snackbar!

  • JacksonPearson

    What's happening now with the behavior of Islam world wide is horrific However, in the end, Bible prophecy wise, Islam's followers, along with their false prophet will be thrown into the deep pits of hell.

    Why?…Because a cursory reading of the hodge-podge written Qur'an exposing pagan moon God Allah as being Muhammad, and so-proclaimed messenger Muhammad, as being Allah.

    in short, Islam was made up by Muhammad. Muhammad's Sunnah writers have been used to diagnose him, by doctors, as being elliptic. Also, anybody that has a twenty year dream with the same person appearing in them, is deemed insane.

    • kafir4life

      It may have been simpler than that. What I've heard is that mohamat had sex with, then later a meal of his favorite pig, or "mom" as he called her. Not knowing about the dangers of uncooked pork, he had some intestinal distress that led to his "writing" the most holy terror guide, the koran" in loose feces in the sands of arabia. When they dried and hardened, they became the koran. Despite being dried, it still stunk, and still does. So to any that propose to use the koran as toilet paper, I say, DON'T. It's redundant.

      • JacksonPearson

        Islam owes its success to terrorism. The prophet of Islam boasted, “I have been made victorious with terror". [Bukhari: 4.52. 220] Since the day Muhammad set foot in Medina, he started his campaign of terror. His followers have been doing the same ever since.

        Muslims are intolerant, supremacist, bullies, and violent. They are highly inflammable and can explode if they are not treated preferentially and with respect. At the same time, they abuse others and violate the rights of people of other faiths. This is psychopathology.

        To understand Muslims, one must understand their prophet. Muslims worship and emulate Muhammad. Islam is Muhammadanism. Only by understanding him can one know what makes them tick.

        Understanding Muhammad is a psychobiography of Allah’s Prophet. It seeks to unveil the mystery of that man. Historians tell us Muhammad used to withdraw to a cave, spending days wrapped in his thoughts. He claimds to have heard bells ringing and had ghostly visions. He thought he was demon possessed, until his wife reassured him he had become a prophet. Convinced of his status, he was intolerant of those who rejected him, assassinated those who criticized him, raided, looted, and massacred entire populations. He reduced thousands to slavery, raped, and allowed his men to rape female captives. All of this, he did with a clear conscience and a sense of entitlement in the name Allah.

        He was magnanimous toward those who admired him, but vengeful toward those who did not. He believed he was the most perfect human creation and the universe's raison d'être. Muhammad was no ordinary man. He was a narcissist.

        • Beth

          @Jackson Pearson

          Well said

          • JacksonPearson

            Thank you…Add, wherever Islam spreads, it's followed by darkness, death and destruction.

  • Jillian Becker

    "Where Christianity is, life is honored." Is that so?
    Did the Catholic Church honor life in the Middle Ages when the Inquisition burnt untold numbers of people to death? Did the Crusaders honor life when they massacred thousands of Jews on their way along the Rhine? Did Calvin honor life when he suppressed all joy, and also burnt people to death? And those are only some examples of how Christianity failed to honor life. Its failures to do so fill massive volumes.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      ""Where Christianity is, life is honored." Is that so?""

      In general, this is very true.

      "Did the Catholic Church honor life in the Middle Ages when the Inquisition burnt untold numbers of people to death?"

      No. They were not following Biblical values. The reformation occurred when the printing press allowed the masses to become informed about just how much in conflict Catholic doctrine was with the Bible.

      Which by the way is the answer to the question, when will Islam become reformed? It won't. It should have occurred at the same time, when mass communication allowed the dissemination of the same texts for all. Consensus has been reached in the Islamic world. This is what you get. No debate is allowed, in contrast with Christianity where debate was allowed and the original documents were restored as being central to the faith. Until Darwin empowered the skeptics, but that's another chapter. The key point is that Islam will never go there because it is not about age of the religion or the idea but age of technology. The reformation was driven by communications technologies. All of society was reformed in many ways, but the religious ideology of the church is simply the most significant from our perspective. Islam missed the boat because it is rigid and was never actually drifting from it's origins significantly while popular Christianity was corrupted by the paganism of Rome.

      "Did the Crusaders honor life when they massacred thousands of Jews on their way along the Rhine? Did Calvin honor life when he suppressed all joy, and also burnt people to death? And those are only some examples of how Christianity failed to honor life. Its failures to do so fill massive volumes."

      These exceptions don't disprove the general observation that life is valued where Judeo Christianity is taught and widely accepted. It's not an absolute statement you silly propagandist.

      • Jillian Becker

        Deeply Christian Germany 1933-1945?

        Not "Judeo Christian" values (an unjustified linkage) but Enlightenment values have made for tolerance in the lands you are probably thinking of.

        Abusing me personally does not help to make your case.

        • truebearing

          Christianity teaches forgiveness, compassion, and peace. Christianity is not a political religion and doesn't encourage wordly ambition(the opposite of Islam, Nazism, or Marxism). That hardly matches the actions of those who claimed to be Christian for the acquisition of money, territory, or power. The nature of Christianity is that you are only a Christian when you are behaving like one. it's really quite simple.

          A good Christian follows the teachings of Christ, therefore rejects violence, but equally importantly, worldly gain, ie. wealth and power. The examples you cited originated in the political realm. You would know that if you knew anything about the history of those events.

          A Muslim who murders Buddhists, Christians, or Hindus is a "good" Muslim because he is doing what the Quran teaches. Violent jihadists are the devout Muslims. Conversely, a Muslim who is tolerant of other religions is a "bad" Muslim. He isn't followed the command to jihad against other religions.

          Obviously, Christianity's doctrine emphasizes good, while Islam teaches rabid intolerance and violence. It's right in their respective Holy Books.

          • WilliamJamesWard

            Exactly!!!……………………..William

        • WilliamJamesWard

          If you knew the history of Germany you would know Hitler quashed Christianity for
          paganism and shut down the Churches sending pastors to prisons. The Catholic
          Church has a murky political record but the rank and file were against Hitler or
          apostates…….the bodies of hundreds of thousands who fought Hitler lie under
          Crosses and the Star of David……………………….William

          • Jillian Becker

            I do indeed know German history. I've written a bit of it. It is you who have got it distorted. Too big a subject for this little space. Try reading a short book (there are many much longer ones that tell the same story) called "Holy Hatred: Christianity, Antisemitism, and the Holocaust" by Robert Michael, especially the chapters titled "The Germanies from Luther to Hitler" and "Christian Antisemitism, the German People and Adolf Hitler". It would give you a quick and accurate correction to your misapprehensions.

          • Indus Valley

            Ok….How many people did Jesus kill? The Christians are following Jesus. How many people did Mohamed kill? The Muslims are following Mohamed…..

          • Jillian Becker

            Christians believe Jesus was God, don't they? In which case – according to their faith – he was the inventor of death. And of Evil.

            In reality, both Jesus Christ and Muhammad are mythical figures.

          • Indus Valley

            According to 'their' faith-he was the inventor of death…..Who is 'he' here???? Since you said Jesus is a mythical figure, can you say why? The burden of proof for your claim lies with you…..

          • Indus Valley

            One more thing is you response to my above comment is totally irrelevant…..

        • Beth

          "Luke 14:26
          If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

          "AND HIS OWN LIFE ALSO" Did you not catch that part Jillian Becker? Of course not. Because you didn't want to.

          He who loves this world more than God is not worthy of Him (Which helps to explain the parable before):

          Jam 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. (and there are more)

          You are fixed on 'history' which is false history because there has never been a Christian who spreads violence. Those who have (or do) – are not Christians. Not because I (or anyone else) say it's so, but, because the Sole Supremem Authority of all of Christianity says-so….In the New Testament. Of which those words of the New Testament have not changed. They're the same letters that the apostles wrote. Those words still speak – even today. Christianity has NEVER taught violence. But you would have everyone believe other-wise – not caring that you have absolutely no proof whatsoever to back your accusation.

          I know it, you know it and so does everyone else reading these words. It is no secret that the Laws of the New Testament Command:

          Do Not Lie

          Do not Steal

          Do not Cheat

          Do no Murder

          Do not Covet

          (end of Christian Carnal Commands – There are no more after those)

          There is only one Spiritual Command which is of no concern of yours, because you have already made up your mind and no Christian is ever allowed to FORCE you (the main point of the issue at hand that you want everyone to over-looked). The God of the New Testament does not create robots. He gives you that choice….to honor Him or not; to believe Him or not.

          But the god of the koran – does not.

          And yes, "the tree (koran) is known by its fruit." It is now past ridiculous and even laughable at this point, at this present time, in these days, after so many reports of the same atrocities in the name of Islam – that you would be willing to try and spread the same old tired lie about Christianity.

          By your words you shall be saved and by your words you shall be condemned. No liar ever enters the Kingdom of God. And it doesn't take a whole lot of logic to figure that one out – even for a muslim (regardless of whether you are one or not).

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Deeply Christian Germany 1933-1945?"

          How do you figure that?

          "Not "Judeo Christian" values (an unjustified linkage)"

          You show your ignorance here, again.

          "…but Enlightenment values have made for tolerance in the lands you are probably thinking of."

          The enlightenment was based on Biblical values. I'm quite familiar with the narratives from which you derive your understanding of history and they are the result of purging any and all facts that present Christianity in a positive light. You might impress the average leftist with your presentations but that doesn't mean you have an accurate understanding of the subject.

          • Jillian Becker

            I invite the Christians arguing with me to visit my website The Atheist Conservative http://theatheistconservative.com/
            and read my history of early Christianity by putting the following titles into our Search slot:
            A man named Jesus or something like that. The invention of Christianity. Tread on me: the making of Christian morality. St.Paul: portrait of a sick genius. Pauline Christianity: a mystical salad. Christian theology: “The Word made flesh”.

            Who knows – you might learn something.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I invite the Christians arguing with me to visit my website The Atheist Conservative http://theatheistconservative.com/ "

            As I said, I am quite familiar with those narratives. I was raised on them.

            "Who knows – you might learn something."

            In theory sure. In reality, it's you who has only considered one view, the one you were force-fed.

            We don't need to defend the actions of all Christians. We're discussing the effects of ideology and theology, Islam vs. Christianity or Christianity and it's effects on society. All you've done is taken your modern lens, without any appreciation of the fact that the origins of your standards are also Christian, and you're pointing out cases where humans have not lived up to Christian standards. We know. This does not win your argument at all.

            Christianity has a hugely positive effect on the behavior of human culture. For you to look back and apply Christian standards to self-declared Christians who apparently did not live up to those standards while also declaring that Christian standards are a detriment…is just silly. But it's also common and I know you have a lot of peers. So what.

            You just don't know the collective experiences of the people you're talking to and it never occurred to you that you might be wrong. I've already looked at the issues from multiple conflicting points of view and I've reconciled the facts of history. The Bible is the most important foundational document for Western civilization and all that is good about it. The values that atheists claim to embrace also have their origins in the Bible.

            You people are silly and ignorant, but you have enough peers that you can pretend to be well-informed by soothing each other's feelings about your silly closed-minded ideas. Get enough people to misunderstand something and they can all claim the problem is not their misunderstanding. That is atheism in a nutshell.

          • Jillian Becker

            You were raised on them? It is obviously you who have been force-fed. I have explored and thought for myself. I am also an habitual skeptic.

            I assure you my version of those stories is radically different from the ones you were brought up on.

            You love the word "silly", don't you?

            Could anything be sillier than Christian theology?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Could anything be sillier than Christian theology?"

            We both agree that your understanding of Christianity is silly.

          • Eve

            "All you've done is taken your modern lens, without any appreciation of the fact that the origins of your standards are also Christian, and you're pointing out cases where humans have not lived up to Christian standards."

            These apologetics for Christianity are identical to those for Islam and communism. We are told that Al Queda's jihad is not true Islam. We are also told that the Soviet Union was not true communism. Really, I am not prepared to be part of another attempt to get Christendom, Islam or communism right.

            The bible cannot be the origin of "values." Human society pre-dated the writing of the bible, and most of humanity – at any given period – has not read it. The law expresses norms . Insofar as Christian values – charity, compassion, self-sacrifice, the moral ennoblement of suffering (ugh!) – have become institutionalized by the state, they have been justifications for collectivist tyranny. Socialism is secularized Christianity. Christian theology is antithetical to justice – precisely because God (who works in mysterious ways) is the ultimate judge and punishment or reward is meted out after death.

          • Jillian Becker

            Christianity brought a thousand years of darkness down on Europe.

            What do you think the enlightenment was an enlightenment from?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "What do you think the enlightenment was an enlightenment from?"

            Any decent historian knows that the reformers broadcasted the actual contents of the Bible to destroy the Roman Pagan-Christian hegemony in Europe. Gradually legacy pagan traditions that corrupted the community were challenged and in the end we have today's society. However, that freedom also included the freedom to be stupid and silly and to recruit others to the same thinking. This is also a factor today.

            Nonetheless, the reformation and the enlightenment are part of the same movement but this is denied for the sake of the feelings of atheists and others who can't tolerate facts as they are. That's why you can't teach Christian history in public schools, Not even the facts unless they're approved by those who want to destroy it. Like you. Facts out of context, like you do.

            Can you deny that any atheist will cry and scream if anything about Christianity is mentioned in a positive light, no matter what the facts are? You've proved it here and we see this everywhere rabid hateful atheists try to defend their dogmas, which is nearly everywhere in the West today.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Christianity brought a thousand years of darkness down on Europe. "

            Roman paganism brought more than a thousand years of coercive totalitarian religion that was nonetheless tempered by some Christian ideology. We're all the better off for the latter.

            You're just too closed-minded to consider any facts that contradict your dogmas.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Abusing me personally does not help to make your case."

          You're f-ing hilarious. You're another victim. Get in line for your free stuff.

          You "feel" abused because you can't think for yourself and you've been indoctrinated to feel that way when anyone contradicts your dogmas.

          Furthermore, you hardly offered any resistance to the points I made, just a silly remark about "Nazi Christians" I guess is what you want to imply. Can't admit when you've been corrected. You're passing all of the tests for leftist delusion.

          • Jillian Becker

            I am a conservative. An atheist conservative. A rightist.

            I too despise the pose of the victim – and thus the Christian cult of martyrdom.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I am a conservative."

            What are you trying to conserve?

            "An atheist conservative."

            Now I get it. That's not what most conservatives are concerned about.

            "A rightist."

            A leftist rightist. OK. Why not? They're delusional about everything else, and what limits does the human imagination have?

          • Jillian Becker

            Let me put it this way: Arguing ad hominem will not help you make your case.

            I am a skeptic. Not easily persuaded, let alone indoctrinated.

            Fierce, you are! Aren't you behaving in an un-Christian manner? Should you not be turning the other cheek?

          • Mary Sue

            "Turning the other cheek"

            You keep using those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I do not think they mean what you think they mean."

            I'm certain you're correct.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Let me put it this way: Arguing ad hominem will not help you make your case."

            My argument does not depend on my note that you are silly.

          • WilliamJamesWard

            Silly with a penchant for commic book drama. Christianity is always denied by
            those who promote secular humanism, ie; leftists, communists and every
            dumb variation of socialist promoting irresponsible intelection. Pearls my
            friend, toss them not to congenital swine…OINK…(obviously I'm not kidding).
            William

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "I am a skeptic"

            Not really.

            "Not easily persuaded"

            Not easily persuaded to contradict your dogmas.

            "let alone indoctrinated."

            You've been indoctrinated to say that.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Fierce, you are! Aren't you behaving in an un-Christian manner?"

            According to your silly understanding, I see why you say this.

            "Should you not be turning the other cheek?"

            I've got my sword of discernment too you silly tyrant of simplicity. Now you can say I threatened your life like a jihadi would, or some similar nonsense.

      • warren raymond

        ""Did the Catholic Church honor life in the Middle Ages when the Inquisition burnt untold numbers of people to death?"

        Uninformed gibberish.

        Facts:

        The inquisition lasted from 1480 until it was abolished during the domination of Napoleon and the reign of Joseph Bonaparte (1808–1812).

        Over 300 years, about 50.000 people were investigated for heresy or blasphemy or witchcraft or whatever; and no more than 5000 were put to death.

        The Koranimals slaughtered, tortured, enslaved and destroyed millions during that time.

        I regret having wasted my time refuting your shallow iIslamo-propaganda.

        • JacksonPearson

          Ever since Islam's creation in about 620AD, Muslims have slaughtered about 270 million of mother earth's inhabitants, that continues today, all in the name of a Muhammad made up Allah. Allah was Muhammad, and Muhammad was Allah.

          Russia's Stalin, China's Mao, and Germany's Adolph Hitler's combined slaughtering, can't ever catch up with Muhammadanism death record.

    • truebearing

      You are deeply confused, partially by your ideological agenda, partially because you lack the analytical skills, or will, to question what you have heard others say.

      A religion can only be judged by what it teaches…its doctrine. You judge the adherents of a religion by how faithfully they follow the teachings of their professed religion. If certain purported adherents commit acts in the name of a religion that are diametrically opposite to the doctrine of that religion, they are not true adherents but frauds.

      • Jillian Becker

        Doctrine, eh?

        Peace:
        Matthew 10:14
        I do not come to bring peace but a sword.

        Love:
        Luke 14:26
        If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

        Compassion:
        Matthew 5:39
        Resist not evil

        Now you can show your analytical skills by demonstrating that those words do not mean what they say.

        • JacksonPearson

          BTW Jillian…Your posts don't jibe with complete Biblical scripture, as explained within continuing verses. One or two selective words or sentences to suit your taste doesn't cut it…e.g. You parsed with Matthew 5:39. Here's the complete verse, verbatim:

          “But I say to you, do not resist one who is evil”
          Scripture: Matthew 5:38-42

          38 "You have heard that it was said, `An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' 39 But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; 40 and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; 41 and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you. (Emphasis added)

          • Jillian Becker

            Matthew 5:38 King James Version:
            But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other.

            A formula for encouraging evil.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Matthew 5:38 King James Version: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other. A formula for encouraging evil."

            No, a formula for peace by leaving the judicial use of violence to the sovereign. Totalitarian leftists can't discern between advice to the individual and advice for ruling others.

            People like you are so indoctrinated you can't even discern when your worldview is too simple to explain how the world actually works, and you can hardly explain anything else accurately.

            Jillian, you've really stepped in it here. You're in way over your head. I suggest you calm down before you put your feet any deeper in to your throat. You're impulsive anti-Christian positions obviously do not come from a sincere investigation of the facts.

          • WilliamJamesWard

            She may shoot herself in the foot before taking it out of her mouth, or already
            did………………William

          • liz

            "sincerely investigate the facts"…highly ironic, as is "objective facts matter", coming from one who is obviously content to base an entire set of beliefs on something, such as the premise that anything much in the Bible, Old or New Testament, have any basis at all in objective historical fact.
            Yet, of course you are qualified to lecture condescendingly to people who's credentials alone ought to give you pause. But your ingorance prevents you from realizing that you've not only "stepped in it", you're waist high in it.

          • JacksonPearson

            "A formula for encouraging evil."
            Not at all….that's only in the mind of a person that's doing Satan's bidding!

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Peace:
          Matthew 10:14
          I do not come to bring peace but a sword. "

          Wow. Do you actually believe what you're presenting here? It's a sword of discernment. You don't read bits here and there just to find something symbolic to attack. What if I read your textbooks from cooking class and decide that you're fixated with knives?

          What he's saying is that the delusional unrealistic peace of leftist delusion (for example) is not realistic because one must discern between right and wrong. It doesn't mean that instead of peaceful behavior we must all use weapons like swords and whatnot to chop heads off.

          People like you destroy the distinctions between anything you want and confuse people who might otherwise learn from the discourse. You're a destructive person intellectually.

      • Jillian Becker

        And further to what I wrote which is probably now below –

        How about the doctrine of Hell? Compassionate? Forgiving?

        • JacksonPearson

          "How about the doctrine of Hell? Compassionate? Forgiving?"

          If you're sincere by asking God or Christ for forgiveness, you'll get it. If you ask Satan for forgiveness, than be prepared to grab your ankles…that's the difference.

      • Jillian Becker

        Does not the history of Christianity prove that its theoretical morality of universal love is a recipe for hypocrisy?

        • JacksonPearson

          "Hypocrisy?"
          In the end, you'll find that out when you stand to plead your case….and if your current trend persists, then expect to lose! Why?…Because Jesus Christ will forgive you now, but not later. Satan does not ever forgive, neither now or later. Fact is, Lucifer loves people like you. But, the choice is yours.

          • Jillian Becker

            So I'll spend eternity in Hell, will I?

            How can any sane, educated adult believe such nonsense?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "So I'll spend eternity in Hell, will I? How can any sane, educated adult believe such nonsense?"

            So now you have hard evidence from your life as an educated person that can show what happens after death. Please give us more information. It's amazing that you've discovered proof that Christians and Jews have been wrong all along. You've proved their all delusional while you're the smart one.

            Where is this evidence that makes you so confident?

          • Jillian Becker

            The onus of proof is always on those who assert something, not on those who disbelieve it.

          • JacksonPearson

            There's no better proof than the Old and New Testaments of the Holy Bible. There's undisputed proof of thousands of years of eye witness documentation of historical fact, and the Word of God. There are hundreds of prophecies within that Holy Book that have all ready occurred to support that claim.

            Other than your polluted, Satanic inspired imagination, you have nothing to disprove those facts, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Jillian Becker: "The onus of proof is always on those who assert something, not on those who disbelieve it."

            Jillian Becker: "How can any sane, educated adult believe such nonsense?"

            You didn't ask for evidence. You asserted that it was insane nonsense. The onus is now on you to show why you dismissed it rather than discuss by questioning it or ignoring it.

          • Pkar

            Actually, Jillian's position is still logically correct. She is stating that she does not believe in something when there is no proof. So Objective, if it is NOT nonsense, please provide proof that there is a heaven and hell, and that we all end up in one of those after death. Although I am also an atheist, I will gladly believe when provided some real proof.

            Hint: quoting the bible is not proof.

          • JacksonPearson

            So I'll spend eternity in Hell, will I?
            Sure you will, because Satan has you hook, line and sinker!

          • JacksonPearson

            "How can any sane, educated adult believe such nonsense?"
            That's your problem, you're not a sane adult! You also appear to not be well educated?

    • AnOrdinaryMan

      Yes, Christians in the Middle Ages had a lot to answer for. But that doesn't excuse jihadi barbarism.

      • Jillian Becker

        Absolutely not. But the pot is in no position to call the kettle black. And when it comes to theology, there is no way that one irrationality can prove itself better than another.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "Absolutely not. But the pot is in no position to call the kettle black."

          Do you know what collectivism is? Even if we agreed with you about the historical "Christians" somehow proving Christianity failed up to today, we're actually discussing (before you got here) ideology and the effects on society today. OF COURSE we have standing to make these observations. You think the fact that you can cite some Christians, or self-declared Christians, or members of societies known to be influenced by Christianity, that any of this makes us morally wrong to comment on an ideology that is unquestionably more destructive even if you apply collectivism?

          By the way, your collectivist thinking is what proves beyond all doubt that you've been indoctrinated. Collectivism in the West comes only from totalitarian ideologies. I assume by your name that you're not Asian for example? No need to explain. I don't have time today to give you a comprehensive summary of all the revelations you've shared about yourself. But if you clean up your act and behave with a bit more respect, I assure you that most or all of the people here will in turn do the same for you, and then you might actually learn something important and true.

          You're not all that bad. I'm just showing you the kind of love that Christ taught. You need to know important things. Failure to correct you would be neglecting your needs and unloving on my part.

          "And when it comes to theology, there is no way that one <snip> can prove itself better than another."

          Yes there is. It's not simple or easy, nor can we objectively measure our results, but the human mind is capable of such analysis when it is willing. You are not willing. That is your problem.

      • Jillian Becker

        I agree that Environmentalism and Islam are both collectivisms, and that collectivist ideologies are evil.
        That includes the Democratic Party's collectivist ideology.

        What I cannot allow to pass without comment is the suggestion that Christian ideology provides the model alternative.

        • JacksonPearson

          "What I cannot allow to pass without comment is the suggestion that Christian ideology provides the model alternative."

          Congratulations, you're a classic example of being ensnared by Satan. Carry on, the end results will be predictably, all yours.

          • Jillian Becker

            You would like me to burn in Hell, would you?

            Lacking the opportunity to burn me as a heretic?

          • JacksonPearson

            "You would like me to burn in Hell, would you?"
            Not really. Everyone have two choices of spending eternity in one place, or another… it appears you've made your choice all by yourself!

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Lacking the opportunity to burn me as a heretic?"

            How many Christians burned others for heresy? Zero. You're not paying any attention to the lessons on offer here in this thread you started with questions. You ask questions but then ignore the answers when you don't like them.

        • Mary Sue

          Atheism has no objective moral foundation, nor any basis for one other than personal opinion.

          • JacksonPearson

            Atheists will NEVER admit, that they do Satan's bidding. If you notice, they're always bashing God, or mocking Christ, but never Lucifer!

          • buttle

            Oh, good grief. This argument is so tired. We don't think there's any evidence for a god. That means we also don't believe in all the other myths attached to a god, such as devils and angels. And not believing in something is not the same as mocking it. But, sure, I'd be just as happy to mock Lucifer as I would God ro Zeus or Baal or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's not like imaginary things have feelings to be hurt.

            The argument that atheism has "no objective moral foundation" is profoundly ignorant. Morality does not come from religion.

            Islam is easily the worst major religion in the world, and most of the points of the article are valid: The collectivists and the Islamists are all marching hand in hand. That doesn't mean that it follows that the antidote is a not-as-bad religion. The answer just might be reason, evidence, and personal responsibility.

            Crazy talk, I know. The Devil made me do it.

          • Jillian Becker

            Good to have another atheist join the fray!

            Of course I agree with you – with a variation on one point. When a type of ideology has been the cause of persecution, wars, immense human suffering – as religion has been and continues to be – it must be criticized by every means, including the mockery of cartoons, jokes, lampoons. Those who hold religious ideas have not come to them by reason, and so are unlikely to be dissuaded from them by reason. Why should superstition be respected? And when it has done as much harm as religious superstition has, far from being respected it should be deplored. Religious ideas are not sacred to those who do not hold them. They should be subjected to scrutiny and denunciation like any others – more urgently than most others. And by religious ideas I also mean such faiths as communism and environmentalism. ( Of course the people who hold the ideas should be respected unless they give cause not to be.)

            Many a belief has survived persecution but not critical examination.

          • JacksonPearson

            FOUR SPIRITUAL LAWS just for you

            1. God loves you:
            "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life," (John 3:16).

            2. Man is sinful and separated from God:
            "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," (Rom. 3:23); "For the wages of sin is death,"(Rom. 6:23); "But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God," (Isaiah 59:2).

            3. Jesus Christ is God's only provision for man's sin:
            "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me" (John 14:6); "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us," (Rom. 5:8).

            4. We must individually receive Jesus as Savior and Lord:
            "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name," (John 1:12); "if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved," (Rom. 10:9); "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God," (Eph. 2:8).

          • JacksonPearson

            Wrong you pathetic little devil. For your uneducated information, morality and basic law 101 comes from the Ten Commandments. Your atheistic argument is lost, outdated, and stale PERIOD.

            I'll do the mocking for you….scru you and Satan too (poetry).

          • liz

            Wow. God loves you, and by the way, scru you.
            Yep, here's Chriistian hypocrisy and arrogance on parade.
            By the way, you might want to check out history BEFORE the 10 Commandments were supposedly given. That's if you can bring yourself to read something contaminated by objective facts.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            ""Oh, good grief. This argument is so tired. We don't think there's any evidence for a god."

            That's fine.

            "That means we also don't believe in all the other myths attached to a god"

            But you just made a judgment by using "myth" rather than something like "claims". That implies you have evidence to the contrary. So you're slipping already, but I don't have a problem with you. Just assisting you to help you see that you transmit more than you are willing to take responsibility for.

            "…such as devils and angels. And not believing in something is not the same as mocking it."

            But it doesn't mean that some don't mock it either, and obviously many do. Have you read the entire thread?

            "But, sure, I'd be just as happy to mock Lucifer as I would God ro Zeus or Baal or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's not like imaginary things have feelings to be hurt."

            Yes, you can mock others but not your own sense of superiority. You've again claimed that something is imaginary (a judgment) without evidence. You don't know and can't admit that you don't know. That is the problem I have with atheists like you.

            "The argument that atheism has "no objective moral foundation" is profoundly ignorant. Morality does not come from religion."

            To be continued…

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "The argument that atheism has "no objective moral foundation" is profoundly ignorant. Morality does not come from religion."

            Definition of MORALITY

            1
            a : a moral discourse, statement, or lesson
            b : a literary or other imaginative work teaching a moral lesson
            2
            a : a doctrine or system of moral conduct
            b plural : particular moral principles or rules of conduct
            3
            : conformity to ideals of right human conduct
            4
            : moral conduct : virtue

            What is the objective source for your morality?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            "Atheism has no objective moral foundation, nor any basis for one other than personal opinion."

            Western atheism is a corruption of Christian and cultural-Christian values. The irony is far too deep and complex for her to perceive.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          "I agree that Environmentalism and Islam are both collectivisms, and that collectivist ideologies are evil. "

          You're a collectivist.

    • Adolf Hitler

      Current events within the last 600yrs or so would help. :)

    • Mary Sue

      The Inquisition did kill people, but not as many as Hollywood would have you believe. http://www.tektonics.org/qt/spaninq.html

      -Kamen reports that the threat of the Spanish Inquisition has been particularly overblown. Without minimizing the atrocities that were committed, it is nevertheless a fact that many Skeptical sites (relying at times on Helen Ellerbee, a notoriously unreliable source) frame the Spanish Inquisition particularly as one might elsewhere frame Mao's Great Leap Forward. Kamen [K60, 203] notes that, "Taking into account all the tribunals of Spain up to about 1530, it is unlikely that more than two thousand people were executed for heresy by the Inquisition…for most of its existence that Inquisition was far from being a juggernaut of death either in intention or in capability."

      It is also notable that the impetus for the Inquisition in Spain came first not from the church, but from the king and queen of Spain who asked for an Inquisition to be conducted.

      Secular authorities were burning people to death for crimes in those days, so it wasn't anything special. Calvin was a stick-in-the-mud. The Crusaders were reacting to Muslim Jihad and the Pope, Urban II, copied Muslim promises of salvation via "Holy War" and stuck it inside the people's heads.

  • Ghostwriter

    The Jihadists can be barely described as human.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    "Islam and Environmentalism: United in Anti-Humanism"

    Collectivism leads to anti-humanism by objectifying everyone but the elites at the very top.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    "The result of disrespecting human life is collectivism, since the individual is trampled upon and made no better than a herd servile to the state."

    Collectivism starts with elites who say, "For the greater good, we must…" and then they outline their evil plans for who the losers are. They don't have time to murder people individually.

    It can also start like, "If we can save just one life…"

    Come to think of it, any ideology that lacks a sovereign God will tend to allow for men to take his place. This means someone has to think of the collective good. Once you usurp liberal democracy (because those who believe in God will not act appropriately to the needs of the collective) to achieve those "greater goods" you've already arrived at collectivism. There is no room for individual rights in that case because they're forever conditional on the decisions about the greater good. Abortion is the clearest example of collectivist greater good arguments that have won popular support. The mother class has higher rights than the unborn class of humans. This was decided on the basis of the greater good arguments about population control, poverty, evolution of the species etc. All deny any sovereign God, hence the need for them to play that leadership role about what the people need collectively.

    They really believe it too. Atheists fear the individual rights of other people. They only value their own. That's why they try to hard to gain power.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    Good and Evil are at war continuously and the Scriptures tell the tale of and end where
    all evil is destroyed, those inocent and murdered will see justice but in the end of days.
    Good people of the Judeo-Christian ethic defeated the Nazis, Fascists, Communists
    and all manner of vile and degraded life forms masquerading as human. It is with a
    fond hope that I will see good prevail in my life time, however nothing gives evil a pass
    when the opportunity comes to destroy it, pluck it out root and branch………..William

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  • Beth

    From the Article: "Hence why the Quran says that humans are of lesser value than is creation"

    All of the teachings of the koran are the complete opposite of what the Bible teaches:

    Mat 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

    Mat 10:30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

    Mat 10:31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.

    Mat 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

    Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me (the Son) before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

    (the koran denies the son – 009.030 – 037.151 – 037.152 – 019.088 – 019.089)

  • Eric Allen

    Woodstock Nation and its bastard child HipHop Nation run American Universities, culture and media now. They were anti-establishment coming together to prove there ills,,but instead have aligned with Islam, thus starting another march to the Gates of Vienna circa 1628.

  • polnick

    Winning the war against Islamic militants is not necessary, but they must be constantly weakened by drone strikes and swat teams. The militants have only one ideology and it is that of gaining a larger share of the nation’s wealth. Pacifying militants by giving them the opportunity to become drug dealers is a workable option.

  • just sayin'

    if a man smites thee, turn your other cheek, but don't get smite twice, that's what I say

  • imperitus

    Forcing people to put up with polluted air, highway noise, and the cancerous colonization of nature by suburbs to accommodate more and more people is not my idea of respect for human life. What the anti-environmentalists fail to understand is that there exists a trade-off between, on the one hand the sheer number of people born and goods produced and services exchanged, and on the other the *quality* of everything. Quality can't be measured on a numerical scale but it's not the less real, and we feel the loss when we give it up in exchange for the abstractions of the economists.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "Forcing people to put up with polluted air, highway noise, and the cancerous colonization of nature by suburbs to accommodate more and more people is not my idea of respect for human life."

      Who is calling for that? That is what you get when you only listen to your totalitarian wannabe rulers.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "What the anti-environmentalists fail to understand is that there exists a trade-off between, on the one hand the sheer number of people born and goods produced and services exchanged, and on the other the *quality* of everything."

      Because it's totally false. It's only "true" if you lie with statistics. You talk about (in your theory) stressed resources and then add more useless people to suck off of them without contributing anything positive.

      That's why we argue about culture. It's about teaching people how to take care of things rationally. Not lying about everything to achieve an agenda written many decades and centuries ago by delusional psychopaths.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      "Quality can't be measured on a numerical scale"

      You can assign a numerical scale and objectively measure quality most of the time. Because you're irrational, we just don't trust your numbers and you tend to not even try anyway…unless you're threatening scientists and their careers or something like that. But the point is that some times the numbers are based on objective measures and other times those measurements depend subjective measures, or subjective analysis of objective measures. But you've grossly oversimplified everything and it's difficult to know where to start to untangle your delusions.

      " but it's not the less real, and we feel the loss when we give it up in exchange for the abstractions of the economists."

      You're feelings are real to you. They are also the root of the problem. They are your problem and you're inflicting that problem on the population. That is the conservative position. We don't care about the delusions of irrational people. We care plenty about real problems of conservation in the real world. We're not willing to kill people over it, and that's not even a productive solution.

  • rightwingcanadian

    the Muslim brotherhood is now eco friendly all their rocket thrusters are now hybrid electric.

  • Al j. Zee rah

    Unfortunately, in this new western version of Islam, the 72 virgins insist on safe sex with condoms.