Behind Robert Mackey’s Continued Assault on Israel

AMH_3230The New York Times has distinguished itself as one of the most anti-Israel papers of today. Its writers habitually skew events to fit a particular narrative, one that is misleading and often, devoid of any truth. But among its cadre of writers, there stands one who is without a doubt heads and shoulders above the rest in terms of both his anti-Israel invective and propensity to engage in outright mendacity and that dubious distinction goes to Robert Mackey.

To say that Mackey’s coverage of Israel is reprehensible simply doesn’t do justice to the word. Consider his latest article, Israelis Start #BringBackOurBoys Campaign. An outpouring of sympathy for three Israeli youths kidnapped by Arab terrorists while hitchhiking prompted those supportive of Israel to take to social media in an effort to bring attention to their dire plight.

Here’s Mackey’s spin; “A group of Israelis trained to promote their country online started a #BringBackOurBoys campaign last week after three teenagers disappeared on their way home from religious schools in the occupied West Bank.” First, how does Mackey know for certain that Israelis created the site? The kidnapping produced a wave of both outrage and support throughout the international community, from Brazil to the United States. The Facebook page that Mackey refers to could have therefore been created in any number of countries and by any number of people of varied nationalities.

Second, assuming that the page was created by Israelis, how does Mackey know that those who created the page were “trained to promote their country online”? Mackey embeds that part of the sentence with a link to an article that talks about Haifa University offering an elective to students on ways to combat international deligitimization efforts by anti-Israel activists. But Mackey has no way of knowing that the creators of the page took such a course or even attended Haifa University for that matter and the leap is therefore beyond irrational. Indeed, Israelis are among the most prolific users of social media and are also among the most tech savvy so it’s not a stretch to imagine that some kid or a group of kids, devoid of any formal “training” commenced the campaign.

Here Mackey’s malevolence truly comes to the fore. He creates a moral inversion of sorts by linking grassroots Israeli efforts to free the kidnapped youths to automaton-like agents of government propaganda. This certainly is not the first time that Mackey has engaged in this sort of insidious yellow journalism.

Indeed, as CAMERA points out, during operation Pillar of Defense, a private Israeli citizen had uncovered yet another Palestinian hoax, this one involving the wide dissemination of a photo of an injured child purportedly hurt by indiscriminate Israeli fire. However, the caption accompanying the photo was false. The child had been injured six years prior after falling off a swing. The Israel Defense Forces then published the true version of events on its Twitter account. But to Mackey, the story wasn’t about malicious and false propaganda disseminated against the Jewish State; the story was about how, in Mackey’s words, “Israel’s military pursues enemies on Twitter.” Mackey displays little or no interest in reporting on substantive lies against Israel; he chooses instead to obsessively focus on how Israel’s “propaganda machine” moves into high gear.

Third, whereas most commentators and writers have noted that the hitchhiking youths were kidnapped in the West Bank, Mackey stands out from the crowd by reminding his readers that the kidnapping occurred not in the West Bank but the “occupied” West Bank, as if the boys brought this upon themselves for being in a place they shouldn’t have been. Moreover, by adopting such terminology, which incidentally has officially and unequivocally been rejected by the government of Australia, Mackey has clearly picked sides leaving little doubt about where his sympathies lie.

Fourth, as blogger Yisrael Medad very astutely points out in a talkback, Mackey is besotted (in an unhealthy way) by social media aimed at freeing the captive youths but completely ignores the Arab “three-finger salute” campaign in which children and adults hold aloft three fingers to signify victory and identification with the terrorists who kidnapped the three Jewish children. We can deduce one of two things from this disparate treatment. Either Mackey identifies with the kidnappers or more likely, does not approve of the action but views gleeful Palestinian identification with it as harmful to the Palestinian cause and thus chooses to ignore it, much like the way the New York Times ignored cheering Palestinians after 3,000 Americans were murdered on 9-11.

Fifth, Mackey has a penchant for citing fringe, anti-Israel and often times, anti-Semitic bloggers in his posts. He has a particular fondness for the rabidly anti-Israel blogger Ali Abunimah who has created an online industry of vitriolic hate for the Jewish State. The instant article is no exception.

Mackey refers to a tweet by Abunimah in which Abunimah alleges that an Israeli Facebook page calls for the “kill[ing] [of] a Palestinian every hour.” Mackey accepts Abunimah’s translation of the page without reservation or equivocation, as if everything sputtered by Abunimah represents truth. In fact, the page translates as follows; “Until our youth are returned, every hour we shoot a terrorist.” Not exactly politically correct but a far cry from Abunimah’s deliberately skewed translation. That Mackey doesn’t even bother to double check the translation is reflective of either shoddy journalism or deliberate mendacity.

But ultimately, it is the vetters at the New York Times, those we trust to ensure that what we are reading is accurate, who are responsible for what we see in print. Unfortunately, the gatekeepers are  sleeping, or worse, complicit in Mackey’s deeply troubling reporting.

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  • robertannable

    The Times is very accurate in its reporting as opposed to FrontPage which is just a front for Israeli propaganda.

    • Demetrius Minneapolis

      So let me get this straight so as to fully understand you. You are saying that the daily events occurring around the world are best articulated within the pages of the NYT? Really? No joke?

      • robertannable

        Yes, I am especially with the trash and lies FrontPage puts out.

        • robertannablesmom

          Robert, you mom says to get out off the computer and come upstairs for your breakfast. You are 50 years old now and you shoud get some sunshine once in a while.


          Perhaps you prefer the trash from Fascist Iran’s PressTV?

    • Andy_Lewis

      Care to back that up with some examples, Bobby?


      Which Times are you referring to?

      Tehran Times? Mecca Times? Jihad Times?

  • Fred

    The problem with the NY Times is not the writers but the Jewish people who buy the paper to read it and the Jewish people who choose to advertise in it.

    • Americana

      People should read newspapers from all perspectives, right and left, w/an emphasis on non-partisan news sources. The fact the NYTimes chooses to host writers w/perspectives from all sides of the Israeli/Palestinian equation is a good thing. After all, the above op-ed by Ari Lieberman complains that the NYT writer chose to use a qualifier adjective for the West Bank, “occupied,” that Ari Lieberman finds unacceptable even if it’s accurate.

      As if simply by stating that the West Bank is occupied and that more and more Israeli settlements are being built there indicates that Robert Mackey is unable, unwilling or incapable of distinguishing fact from fiction. FACT, the West Bank is occupied and is becoming ever more occupied as Israelis buy out Palestinians and build more settlements.

      • Habbgun

        Deflection is the left wing white trash form of argumentation….
        Here’s how the professional city slicker jihadists do it farm boy…

        Allahu Akbar

        • Americana

          That’s deflection? That seemed to answer as to why those young guys were kidnapped. Who’dve guessed that stating the obvious could be seen as deflection? At some point, doesn’t all this obfuscation about settlements simply seem to be insurmountable and unsustainable?

          • Habbgun

            Riiight you left wing white trash collaborator….unarmed teen boys are a legitimate target?. Israelis voluntarily gave the PA autonomy. Actually gave them arms because the Palis were supposed to provide a police force to prevent this type of thing and we got Jihad. Jihad is not a military operation nor a protest. It is warfare against infidels and all infidels are a target. Giving guns to infidels was like giving spray paint to a hippie farm boy. They are just going to abuse it. Just like in Kenya. Just like in Phillipines, just line in Egypt…..and in no go zones in Europe.

            Settlements are not unsustainable. Collaborators are.

          • Habbgun

            meant giving guns to Jihadists….I know a typo gave you joy that you could jump up and down and point it out but I figure you’ve had your fun for the day.

          • Americana

            You can’t liken the Palestinian jihad to precisely what is going on in Kenya and the Philippines. You conflate all these jihads in your writings and by doing so you’re trying to pretend that the Palestinians don’t have legitimate issues w/Israel over loss of land and failure to reach a peace accord, but that’s not the truth of the matter.

            These kidnapping events are happening because the Israelis look for any opportunity to call off peace negotiations while in the meantime building settlements as fast as they can persuade Israelis to move there. I’m not looking at the typos you make so much as looking at the overall thrust and content of people’s posts.

          • Ken Kelso

            Americana is probably a Dailybeast or Mondoliar poster now on here.
            All your lies are rebuked here

            Palestinian Arabs – The People Who Always Refuse a State
            Lee S. Bender and Jerome R. Verlin
            FEBRUARY 18, 2014

            There are many peoples on this planet that would do anything for their independence, sovereignty, and a state of their own if it was offered to them. Just ask the Kurds, Tibetans, Basques, and Chechens. ‎

            Yet there is one singular group that continues to spurn offers of statehood, missing and wasting numerous opportunities, and blaming others for its “victimhood”- and then commits horrendous acts of terrorism and violence when offered almost all of what it wants. We are referring, of course, to the Palestinian Arabs – a people who, unlike the Kurds, do not have their own religion, language, or culture that’s different in essence from their Arab brethren in neighboring ‎Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. The Palestinian Arabs have answered every peace offer for their own “Palestinian” state with one unequivocal word, “no,” and then initiated a wave of hatred, violence, and terrorism. The reason? Because it would also mean recognition of and co-existence with a non-Arab people, the Jews.

            Actually, there has been a Palestinian Arab state in the region since 1921, located in the eastern 78 percent of the Palestine Mandate designated for a Jewish National Home: ‎Jordan. Even today, more than two-thirds of the people of Jordan are Palestinian Arabs. The offers of another Palestinian Arab state (which would be the 23rd Arab state) in the remaining western portion of the Palestine Mandate date back to the 1937 Peel Commission. That began a consistent pattern of rejected offers through to the present: 1947 UN Partition Plan, 1967 at Khartoum, 2000 at Camp David, 2001 at Taba, the 2008 Olmert Plan. The current Kerry-led negotiations also appear to be heading in that direction. Yet the Palestinian Arabs still adamantly reject the “two state solution” of an “Arab State” and “Jewish State” referenced in the 1947 UN partition resolution.

            So it is instructive to ask, what do the Palestinian Arabs really want? If we would only listen to what they persistently say and read their charters, we would understand: the eradication of ‎Israel through armed struggle, replacing the Jewish state with a Palestinian Arab state. Just read the charters of the Palestinian Authority, PLO, Fatah, and Hamas, and it is laid out in straightforward unambiguous terms. It really is no wonder they say “no” to a state if it also means that they have to recognize the tiny Jewish state alongside it. There are already 22 Arab states with a population of 400 million and land mass 625 times that of Israel, versus 6.2 million Jews in a sliver of land the size of New Jersey.

            We have seen a preview of what their state will be like: ‎Gaza, which has become a terrorist launching pad for tens of thousands of rockets and missiles into Israel since Israel left and uprooted 8,000 citizens from their homes in 2005. It is a failed entity ruled by the corrupt, genocidal, terrorist entity Hamas, which steadfastly refuses to recognize Israel. A Palestinian Arab state in the West Bank/Judea-Samaria, the cradle of Jewish civilization, on the high ground overlooking the heart of Israel’s population centers from Jerusalem to Tel Aviv, will only pose a more lethal danger to the safety and security of Israel. And the Jewish claim does not rest just on security, but on a continuous three-millennia presence in the land.

            The pathology of the Palestinian Arab movement, which is actually a part of the larger Arab war on Israel, is violent rejection. It is partly fueled by Islamic beliefs that any Jewish presence on the land is a crime against the Islamic “natural order of things,” the crime of a ‎dhimmi people, the Jews, having sovereignty in their midst.

            Yet Westerners fantasize and delude themselves that the Palestinian Arabs actually want to live in peace alongside ‎Israel. This was recently epitomized by Israel’s chief negotiator Tzipi Livni, who told Knesset members that they should “expect to be surprised” regarding Palestinian Authority willingness to recognize Israel as a Jewish State. But her fairy-tale beliefs defy reality, and the bubble was burst immediately when PA negotiator Saeb Erekat reiterated yet again that the Palestinian Arabs would never accept Israel as a Jewish State.

            Sheikh Jabari, the strongman of ‎Hebron, put it concisely: “We can never recognize the Jewish state. I can’t. It goes against the Koran. Tel Aviv is Waqf [Muslim] holy land. I can’t recognize you de jure, but I also recognize that you’re not going anywhere. You’re here to stay.”

            Western intervention only makes things worse, and leads the PA to believe that it can maintain a culture of victimhood and pay no price for its maximalist, uncompromising beliefs. Since the 1993 Oslo Accords, the Palestinian Arab culture of incitement, terrorism, and resort to lawfare has only increased, in absolute violation of their commitments to teach and preach peace, dismantle the terrorist infrastructure, confiscate weapons, and arrest terrorists. The PA has not kept those international commitments; so what gives ‎Israel and Western diplomats confidence that any future accords – which will presumably involve Israel relinquishing vital land areas necessary for its security – will be honored? In Arab-Muslim culture, agreements tend to be broken when one side gains the strength to overcome the other, i.e. hudna. In the Middle East, the current status is what peace actually looks like: no paper agreements. At best, a détente, where only force and power prevail and are respected. That is what has enabled Israel to miraculously survive as an oasis of hope, democracy, and freedom in the midst of Arab-Muslim dominated totalitarian states, military dictatorships, and theocracies.‎

            Israel ‎‎has no reliable “peace partner” in the Western sense, no matter how the mainstream media, EU, diplomats, and elites want to spin it. These apologists will always somehow find a way to rationalize and justify the Palestinian Arabs’ predictable resort to violence and in turn seek to delegitimize Israel for not making further concessions – regardless of whether it puts the Jewish State in deadly danger. The diplomatic process is not working. There must be far more onus on the PA to make true peace and prepare its own people for it. If and when Palestinian Arabs are ready, willing and able to say “yes,” Israel will be there – but not any sooner.

          • Habbgun

            Maybe Huffpo, Slate or Salon. I think he wants to preen as an intellectual instead of a street fighter. Do you think he wears a keffiyah while looking around to make sure everyone thinks he’s cool??

          • Drakken

            American is a she and has deep leftist Brit roots and it shows.

          • Americana

            I’ve got roots that spread out like tree roots — reaching out in every direction. That’s not right, that’s not left, that’s not Marxist, that’s looking for the facts wherever the facts might be.

          • Habbgun

            That’s funny. Trees give off oxygen and all you try to do is suck the oxygen out of the room. Are you sure you are not more of a marsh? Creepy and unwholesome.

          • Americana

            You need to understand that there’s a mixture of gases in the world’s atmosphere and oxygen is only one component and it’s not even the largest component. Besides, oxygen can be lethally toxic at a certain percentage.

          • Habbgun

            Left wing white trash snappy comeback… even Jon Stewart would pass on this…..Did you mistake your cut & paste global warming screeds for a pro-pali one. Sorry to challenge you… boy.

          • Americana

            Habbgun will travel shoots and reloads. He’s shooting blanks tho.. No intellectual ‘wham’ power to them at all.

          • Drakken

            You and facts play awfully loose with each other Hunyuk.

          • Americana

            You know that’s not true about me and facts. By the way, how do you think your opinion rates against those major generals of the israeli army who say a two-state solution is feasible? I posted a group of Israeli army officers and Mossad whom I don’t believe you can possibly sneer at the way you sneered at the group Peace Now.

          • $36085093

            I’m curious how you know. Whatever the thing is its not really American though how can you guess sex or nationality (Baglady actually strikes me as a he and if not a hmmmm shall we say heavyset leaning woman)

            I’m guessing the absolute necessity of the Jews being at fault is the British part. They have a belief that there is a natural Jewish arrogance that is the problem for everything. Then again so did Haman.

          • Ken Kelso


            Israeli verse Palestinian concessions for peace in last 20 years.
            This will show the fool Americana is

          • Habbgun

            Americana is not a fool. He’s a hater hiding behind a nickname and will just try to change the subject. I’ve met his type before in person and they tend towards a certain type although of course we can’t really know if it applies to him specifically.

            This type of Leftist tends to be losers from otherwise successful families. At least one parent is a professional (doctor, lawyer or engineer) and they have siblings who are professionals in either civilian or military occupations.

            So what do these guys and gals do when they come home for Thanksgiving and feel small. They find an “intellectual” subject like the Middle East and call everybody out as fools with “false consciousness”. They do it until the family catches on and then they retreat among themselves and websites twitter, etc. Think of the guys from the movie “Bottle Rocket” without the charm or self awareness and you’ve got them.

            That or they come from already doctrinaire leftist families who are smart enough to be make sure that their little ones get cut in on the pay. Multigenerational Marxists don’t hate on the cheap.

          • Americana

            The reality is what it is in the region and no matter how you denigrate those who’ve got differing perspectives on the conflict, their opinions and influence aren’t going to be diminished by vicious diatribes.


            The Arab/Muslim region is on fire – and is burning itself to the ground.

            See Syria where 160,000+ have died – that’s Arabs killing Arabs – no Jews/Israelis, no Israeli “settlements” involved.

            Just the vicious Arab/Muslim culture of “the Religion of Peace” doing its best to negate its claim.

          • Drakken

            The reality is, no more islam, no more problems. Your perspective, live experience and knowledge of the muslim world is sorely lacking. The fact that you empathize and sympathize with a bunch of goddamn inbred savages and think you can make peace with them shows your naivety and ignorance.

          • Americana

            I wouldn’t call what I feel about the situation empathizing or sympathizing. It’s more able to be likened to “realizing” what the situation is and how it got to this point. As for “No more Islam, no more problem,” that’s a stupid slogan that won’t ever be accomplished. Sounds really military tough on paper, it’s not ever going to be a reality. You might be able to drive Muslims out of certain regions but that will only leave them ready to roar back. w/a lot more vengeance steam in their hearts. It might be something you’re willing to proselytize for the sake of achieving the greater Israel but it’s not something for which the rest of the world should have to shoulder the jihad burden..

          • Drakken

            The reality is really simple, and here you are looking at trying to negotiate and reason with a pack of hungry Hyenas that just want you for dinner. Let me explain a very simple truth to you that is uncomfortable and uncompromising. War is always a condition of the human endeavor, and will be for at least another millennia or two. You cannot nor will you be able to have peace with an enemy that has no interest in the concept.

          • Americana

            The entire Palestinian people does not fall within the hungry hyena pack. There is a sizable group which wishes to sign a peace accord under reasonable terms. Trying to make the claim there must be 100% concurrence w/the peace terms is not possible. For either side. Get an agreement written, put it to a national referendum in the Palestinian territories and in Israel and let’s see where we’re at.

          • Americana

            Yes, the Israelis made those concessions. However, if the Israelis had never built in those non-Jewish areas, they wouldn’t have had to evacuate them. Falsely multiplying the number of concessions made by Israel by listing this evacuation and that evacuation is duplicitous; those evacuations should be under one category. Besides, many of those concessions shouldn’t even be listed as being Israeli peace offerings since they should never have been allowed by the Israeli government in the first place.


            What concessions have Pal-e-SWINIANS agreed to and fulfilled?

          • Ken Kelso

            10 Easy steps understanding Palestinian Rejectionists.

          • Habbgun

            Of course my left wing white trash Occupier you can’t liken jihads like you can’t liken Marxist revolutions in South America and China but you can be sure there weren’t infinite monkeys on both continents accidentally writing Marx.

            The religion (and religion is a powerful force) gives meaning to certain actions, disallows some and encourages others. If Islam and Christianity could influence societies as disparate as Japan, Korea, North America, South America and European all of whom read the same texts and pray to the same deity during the times of the sailing ships it can more than do so in the age of the Internet. Then again deflection is the left wing white trash argumentation.

            You also never concede that the Israelis voluntarily gave Palis land, voluntarily armed a Pali police force which was supposed to stop terror attacks and if it had there never would have been a wall but the Pali police were also professional terrorists. You can’t even acknowledge anything about Israeli overtures for peace because it doesn’t fit the narrative and what is left wing trash without their pet narratives.


            Your “Pal-e-SWINIANS” cry when a brick is put into place in Israel and angrily run away from the peace table.

            Anything is an excuse for cowardly Abbas and his terrorist enclave to run away from negotiations.


            Islamofascism is a World-Wide problem.

            You choose to ignore it.

            We won’t let you.

          • Americana

            I don’t ignore it. But I refuse to play “Hide The Jihad” over the Palestinian issue by deflecting all sorts of other attention to these regional jihads. The worldwide Caliphate is NOT in the immediate offing. It’s simply a creation to make it look like there’s no peace to be had between Israel and the Palestinians.

          • Drakken

            It has been explained to you time and tie again that there will never ever be peace with the goddamn muslim savages and here you sit, not believing it, when events and circumstances tell you exactly that is the case, you simpley ignore the facts because it doesn’t fit your naïve worldview. Tragic really.

          • Drakken

            All Islamic jihad is the same ! Whether it is in the Philippines, Burma, China ME and Africa. It follows the same devils book against the infidel. At least the folks in Burma have had enough of their muslim problem and are dealing with it. The inbred subhuman savages in fakestine deserve everything they get and more. Effem!

          • Americana

            Ah, settlements that provoke kidnappings are sustainable. Israel and a certain segment of Israeli society feels that settlements are fine even if they’re bought at the expense of kidnapped Israelis. And you’re calling me a collaborator?

          • Ken Kelso

            There is a primary historical fact, that must be established now for Americana. There has never been, I repeat NEVER been, a civilization, Entity, or a nation referred to as “Palestine” There was never a Palestinian tribe, and there was never a Palestinian country in the Land of Israel to begin with! Israel is not for sale. It is not a pie to be sliced up and served to a clan of killers and their supporters.

            Israel existed 15 centuries before Mohammad was born

            There was never in history any state called Palestine governed by Palestinians.
            Tell us Americana when did it ever belong to Palestinians? Answer Never. It was never a Pal land to begin with, so your question is invalid.
            The Palestinians never governed or controlled any land before 1993.
            To make it simple, please tell me one Palestinian President before 1993?
            Keep thinking.
            The Palestinians want a capitol, which they never had, in a country that never existed.

          • PAthena

            See my comment above of the origin of calling Arabs “Palestinians.”

          • Americana

            Once again, the rights of indigenous people aren’t necessarily reflected in them having a nation of their own. That region has been under multiple rulers and, when it ultimately became part of the Ottoman Empire, the population was largely Arabs who’d lived there for hundreds or thousands of years. We are not talking about a national entity that has been there in the region w/the full status of a nation. We are talking indigenous people who have known ownership provenance for hundreds of years over various portions of that land and who wish to assume nationhood. Israel said they would honor that. This comment of yours doesn’t seem to honor that intention.

          • Anamah

            You are not only uneducated but worst obtuse.

            Is a waste of time to discus with this kind of idiot, so I would ask other commentators to avoid engage.


            Pot. Kettle.

          • Habbgun

            Bad recommendation. Jihad is not going to stop. What can stop is the cover by which the Left allows the Jihadist to hide. How far would the Islamist have come without the Leftist guiding him and lying for him. If we going to come to conflict let the sides be well defined. Let no one say I didn’t know or that’s not what I meant. The are real collaborators out there and they need their camouflage stripped away. That is also for the safety of those who are merely fooled.

          • SCREW S OCIALISM

            The JEWS are the indigenous people of Israel.

            NOT the Muslims from Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt who claim to be “palestinians”.

            The Jews were there first. The Jews established Jerusalem – which is never mentioned ONCE in the koran – yet Islamofascists claim that Jerusalem is the third holiest site in Islam. LOL!

          • Americana

            The Jews were conquered and driven out of Israel thousands of years ago. Unless there is some new land provenance interpretation in international law, Israel doesn’t have claims against its present neighbors for land that she lost way back when… Keeping on saying it won’t make it so.

          • Habbgun

            Funny….didn’t Hashem have other ideas?

          • Habbgun

            Settlements are sustainable. They are not bought somehow through kidnapped Israelis especially children.

            Your same logic condones the kidnapping of Nigerian girls. To Islam and the leftist collaborator (but I repeat myself) anything infidel is a settlement. It is not a legitimate nation.

            And you are a collaborator. No matter what the Jihadists do anywhere you will justify and explain it away. You have already said everything that the most vicious Neo-Nazis say when they troll here. I knew you would. I know you will. I wonder what domestic political grievances you have against Jews and conservatives. Then again I’m sure other commenters have already said them. They’re also pithier and more honest.

          • Americana

            Habbgun, I didn’t condone the kidnapping of anyone, these boys, those Nigerian girls, NO ONE. But the fact is, the Israelis keep building settlements in Palestinian areas and the Palestinians know that w/those settlements will come claims when it comes to peace talks. You stop the bulloney about me being a collaborator and face up to precisely what the Israelis are doing. I don’t give a rip if you liken me to a Neo-Nazi. Why? Because I know for a fact that my choices are in the best interest of Israel’s longevity. What, you’re claiming I’ve got DOMESTIC GRIEVANCES against Jews? Oh, the two-timing STUPIDITY of trying to play the Israeli blame game w/me. I know I’m backed up by quite a significant number of Israelis including top Mossad officials and high-ranking retired Israeli army officers. Those guys wouldn’t do anything that would put Israel at risk. They’re not dumb and they’re fully cognizant of the risks inherent in pursuing a peace plan. Obviously, they must agree w/me to some extent that peace is worth it for the nation of Israel if they’re putting their reputations on the line. My reputation doesn’t matter a whit, but their reputations most certainly do matter in regard to this issue.

            Some of the military men attached to Peace Now, one of the oldest Israeli peace organizations:

            The cries of lack of patriotism against Peace Now are objectionable on several grounds, not least because virtually all officers and activists who run the organization are current or retired members of the military. Israel requires universal service, so all Israeli youth, liberal and conservative (except for the ultra-religious), spend two years in the Israeli Defense Forces.

            Indeed, Peace Now began in 1978, when 348 soldiers and reserve officers signed an open letter to the prime minister supporting a peace agreement with Egypt. Among the current core of activists in Peace Now:

            –Etai Mizrav, National Activities Coordinator of Peace Now, spent five years in the infantry and is now a major in the reserves. He saw action in Lebanon and Gaza and took part in the evacuation of Israeli settlers in Gaza.

            –Yifat Gavishi was raised on a kibbutz in the Galilee near Lebanon and grew up with first-hand experience of Arab rocket and mortar attacks. Turning 18, she chose a combat unit and spent 2 ½ years in the border patrol. A second-degree black belt in karate, she taught hand-to-hand combat to border patrol soldiers. Yifat now works as a teacher in Tel Aviv, and volunteers her spare time to Peace Now.

            –Tal Goldman volunteers with Peace Now, but his current employment is as a security guard. He was a tank driver and later a commander of a Merkava Mk 2 battle tank in the army; he still serves in the reserves.

            –Yaniv Shacham is an independent film director who runs social media for Peace Now. Currently 37 and in the reserves, he served on active duty in the infantry in Lebanon and the West Bank.

            –Danielle Blumenstyk works as Jerusalem Activities Coordinator for Peace Now. A dual citizen of the U.S. and Israel, she served in an intelligence unit for two years, which included the 2006 war with Lebanon.

            In interviews, the peace activists distinguished between their military duties and their political life. Mizrav is very clear: when you are on duty, you obey orders and engage your opponents, and your politics come later


            Israel is not building “settlements” in “palestinian” areas because Israel is NOT building “settlements” in Jordan.

            Meanwhile Arabs/ Muslims are destroying people, mosques, holy sites of non-Muslims AND Muslims all over the world.

            Your laughable efforts to focus on Israel while ignoring Islamist terrorism all over the world are why you are failing.

          • Americana

            Ah, so, once again, Israel is justified in doing whatever she wants because the Balfour Declaration gave her all that land. Sorry, guy, that document was recognized to be flawed almost the moment it was released.


          • Drakken

            Anyone who quotes Peace Now as a valid source for anything is beyond laughable, and downright idiotic to the core.

          • Americana

            How about listening to Meir Dagan, the legendary head of the Mossad, talk about the two-state solution?


          • Drakken

            No matter how much you click your heels together wishing for peace and a two state solution, it ain’t never going to happen. This useful idiot leftard is a politician has no credibility where issues of war and peace are concerned. Look to who is funding and buttering his bread and you shall find your answer.

          • Michael Garfinkel

            To “Americana” – If not (legally) a colloborator, you’re centainly a font of obfuscation and apology in service to these vicious kidnappers.
            At least there’s every reason to believe that’s your intention.


            All Israel has to do is “kidnap” 30, 300, 3,000 Pal-e-SWINIANs and arrange for a prisoner swap.

            Anything bad that happens to the 3 Israeli teens will happen to the Pal-e-SWINIAN teens/elders.

          • Americana

            You’re so blinded to the statement you’re not even thinking. Settlements are not sustainable in the sense they are being built in enemy territory. If everyone knows this, why do it? Because the Israelis are the superior in this situation?

            No matter what the Israelis do as far as minor steps for Palestinian autonomy, if they continue to try to undermine a Palestinian state by extensive penetration and settlement building in Palestinian areas, they are acting against Palestinian interests. There is danger in continuing in this form of political stasis while permitting the settlement push whether you believe it or not. Those dangers apply for the rest of the world as well as for Israel.


            Pal-e-SWINIAN settlements are collapsing due to internecine feuds between different Arab warlords.

          • BagLady

            Straying a bit here Habbgun. “Jihad” as you among many others have now taken to redefine — but never mind — is taking place elsewhere. Not everything is to do with Israel regardless your propaganda machine harping on about your “existential threat”.

            What the heck does that actually mean?

            Will there be a crater where once stood Israel? If that were to be the case then many other countries would cease to exist also.

            Otherwise you would have to mean the ‘existential threat’ to your current political system and if that’s all your going on about, why are you so emotional? Are you all raving gays?


            Pal-e-SWINIAN AKA Imperialist Islamist settlements in Israel are being replaced by the original occupiers – Jews..

          • Drakken

            Because you ignorant Hunyuk, the arabs want the Jews dead and gone, and every means is used for that end, and your here again with the same collaborators nonsense that if Israel just gave these goddamn inbred savages what they want there will be peace, when logic, common sense and cold hard facts prove you wrong every bloody time.

        • BagLady

          What is the opposite of “left wing white trash” pray?

          By definition it should be ‘right wing’ black … um… there is no opposite of ‘trash’ that I can think of.

          Help me out here.

      • Ken Kelso

        Palestinian Rejectionism is something Americana likes to avoid.
        Palestinians always say no and demand more.
        TV report: Abbas said ‘no’ to Obama on 3 core peace issuesRejecting Kerry framework, Palestinian leader reportedly told US president he won’t recognize ‘Jewish Israel,’ abandon ‘right of return,’ or commit to ‘end of conflict
        March 22, 2014,

        • PAthena

          Of course, Mahmoud Abbas won’t recognize Israel. The Arabs who are now now mis-called “Palestinians” were invented by Soviet propaganda to destroy Jews and Israel. The name “Palestina” was given to Judea by the Roman Emperor Hadrian in 135 A.D. after he had defeated the last Jewish rebellion under Bar Kochba. (He also outlawed Judaism and renamed Jerusalem “Aelia Capitolina,” “Aelius” being his gens name.) From that time on, the name “Palestine” was synonymous with “land of the Jews” and “Palestinian” with “Jew.” That is why after World War I, Great Britain was awarded “the Palestine Mandate” to be “the homeland of the Jews.”
          Calling Arabs “Palestinians,” with phony history and propaganda, is a consequence of the formation of the “Palestine Liberation Organization” (P.L.O.) by Gamal Nasser, ruler of Egypt, and the Soviet Union (as the names shows), haters of Jews and of Israel. This organization came to fame when it massacred the Israeli athletes at the Olympic Games in Munich in 1972. An effect of this was to call the Arab enemies of the Jews and of Israel “Palestinians.” Since these Arabs have been called “Palestinians” in order to destroy Israel, Abbas cannot support Israel and now has joined with Hamas.

          • BagLady

            Stop with your ancient history. You’ll have me back in a cave being bashed over the head with a tree trunk because lunch isn’t ready.

            As Bibi is wont to remind us: it’s the facts on the ground that count.

            a) There will never ever be a right of return for the millions of Palestinian ex-pats (so be it), though visitor visas would satisfy many young people who haven’t seen their parents for many years.

            b) Israelis make lousy neighbours (I know that, ha ha). So how are you going to get on in close proximity with Arabs? The answer is probably: you’re not going to.

            This is a clash of cultures and requires a great deal of space betwixt this pair of ‘tribes’ still fighting 7th century battles.

            Reminds me of Papua New Guinea, sans nose bones.

          • Drakken

            It would seem that when you were protesting those mean Israeli’s, they missed you.

          • BagLady

            Obviously written in code

        • Americana

          I’d never argue the Palestinians aren’t their own worst enemy in the pursuit of a peace accord.


            I wish Pal-e-SWINIANS continued Nakba.

            Make that a never ending, everlasting ETERNAL NAKBA.

          • BagLady

            Do you perchance have small horns?

          • BagLady

            Neither would I, as I tell the few I know all the time: “Keep your cool/” However, they try… and they try… and they try.. and they have been trying for generations but their desert roots will out eventually and then they resort to stone throwing and pay an heavy price for the loss of ‘cool’.

          • Drakken

            To the victors go the spoils, and your pet pali’s lost, effem! Throw a rock and the inbred desert savage gets shot, simple logic at its finest, don’t throw rocks, you don’t get shot.

          • BagLady

            Victors? Who is the victor in Iraq? The Middle East is erupting and spewing poison like flour from an inept chef’s mixing bowl, all over Europe. Obama has sent his CIA to London. He doesn’t trust our PC government to ‘take care of things” (and rightly so). They are to-ing and fro-ing from London to Syria and Pakistan. They happily post their warmongering on the internet while picking up their welfare cheques. They went to school in Bradford or wherever.

            Where are the spoils in all this Drakken? We no longer settle for trinkets.

          • republicc

            You are really dumb.

          • BagLady

            That might well be true but has nothing to do with the subject.

          • BagLady

            and neither would I. However, disregarding unproductive remarks on here, which direction should they take?

        • BagLady

          However, then never ever do get more, do they?

      • PAthena

        The so-called “West Bank” (of the Jordan River) has an ancient name – Judea and Samaria. Where do Robert Mackey and his supporters think Jews and Judaism came from? Why are Jews called “Jews,” after all?

        • Americana

          No one is disputing the fact there were a group of ancient tribal Jewish city states that were in that region. But they were conquered thousands of years ago by multiple different nations in a long sequence of dispossession so the Jews were supplanted long ago. The Jews have not since been the dominant nation in that region until the founding of Israel under force majeur. The Palestinians have been the landholders there in that area for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. So how does one legitimately divide up that region when you look at the history?

          • Johnny Palestine

            You are incoherent. There is no ”p” in Arabic. The Arab Muslims living there only began to call themselves Palestinian until June 7 1967. It is a synthetic and manufactured identity. there is nothing different in the written language of Arabic in ”Palestine” and standard Arabic.

            1) Nobody is telling them to leave. Except me. They should be bought out and deported to Syria or Egypt,

            2) The issue is that they refuse to allow Jews there while Israel allows Arabs to live within.

          • Americana

            Why should the Palestinians allows Israelis to live within currently Palestinian territories when they are fully aware that during peace talks the case will be made that this area is “already X-percentage Jewish/Israeli and so the land should become part of Israel.” Let’s be honest and confront the fact that is what Israeli settlement incursion is meant to accomplish. It’s not that those Israelis living in Palestinian enclaves want to become Palestinian after the declaration of a Palestinian state.

            This status of being unwilling to allow Israelis to buy land within Palestinian enclaves has nothing to do w/the fact there are still populations of Arabs from the original partitioning that remain within Israel and are now Israelis. The Israelis were originally under obligation under the Balfour Agreement to remain the host country for all other resident nationalities and ethnicities within her borders once the Jewish homeland had been enacted w/provisions indicated in the following passage — “…it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”


            Jordan is “paleswine” – and there are no Jews living there.

            Jordan and Israel is your “two state solution”.

            King Hussein knew how to deal with his “paleswinian” population – it’s called the “Black September” Nakba – Jordanians killing insurgents who tried to overthrow King Hussein.

          • BagLady

            In our cups, are we?

          • republicc

            You are so dumb.

          • BagLady

            Johnny, Johnny, you are likening pears with apples. One is derived from the Greek alphabet, the other from Egypt. The phonetic ‘p’ in Greek was mispronounced as it met tribal languages along the way and was probably pronounced ‘ph’ elsewhere.

            A simple example of such phonetic changes is the word ‘foreigner’. In Thai it is ‘farang’ (a mispronunciation of the English). As it crosses the border into Cambodia, it becomes ‘barang’.

            This phenomenon is not exclusive to humans. Go to the Golden Triangle and geckos speak their own name very plainly in a Donald Duck voice. Go south and the geckos become very offensive; sitting on your wall telling you very loudly to F@#$ off.

      • Drakken

        Your pali enabling, sympathizing, leftist true colors are coming out again Hunyuk. I hope Israel finally takes off the kid gloves and gives those goddamn subhuman savages the mailed fist.

        • Americana

          The more Israel blocks a Palestinian state, the more reason the Palestinians have to wreak havoc. Call my thinking what you will, you’re failing to appreciate there are a large number of Israelis who are former military that agree that peace is possible. The only Jews who are saying it’s not possible are the Zionists (inside or outside Israel) who want to recreate the ancient Judaean kingdoms because of Biblical prophecy and the Israelis who want the Balfour Declaration land because they feel it’s owed to them.

          The roster of former Israeli security officials who support the two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is long and varied. It ranges from those on the left to those on the right to those without any partisan affiliation. It includes senior political figures, such as former presidents, prime ministers, and defense ministers; seasoned bureaucrats; and apolitical experts, such as heads of think tanks. It includes some of the highest decorated soldiers the state of Israel has known, as well as civilians who have served in the highest capacities within Israel’s intelligence agencies.

          Yossi Alpher

          Appointed by Prime Minister Ehud Barak to serve as Special Advisor on the Israeli-Palestinian peace process (2000); Director of independent Israeli NGO Political Security Domain; former Director of the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University; served as an officer in the IDF Intelligence Directorate; served for 12 years as a senior official in the Mossad.

          Col. (Ret.) Shaul Arieli

          Former Chairman of the Peace Administration in Prime Minister Ehud Barak’s Office; headed the Interim Agreement Administration during the Oslo Peace Process; former Deputy Military Secretary to the Minister of Defense and Prime Minister; former Commander of the Northern Brigade in the Gaza Strip.

          Lt. Gen. (Ret.) Gabi Ashkenazi

          Former Chief of General Staff of the IDF (2007-2011); served as Director-General of the Israeli Ministry of Defense under Amir Peretz (2006); former IDF Deputy Chief of Staff (2002-2005), former GOC of Northern Command (1998-2002), former Head of Intelligence for the Northern Command (1988), former Commander of the Golani Brigade (1986-1988); completed 39 years of service in the IDF (1972-2011).

          Maj. Gen. (Ret.) Ami Ayalon

          Former Director of the Shin Bet (1996-2000); former Commander of the Israeli Navy (1992-1995), former Commander of the Israeli naval commando (1979); recipient of the Medal of Valor for heroic actions during the War of Attrition (1969); completed 33 years of service in the IDF (1963-1996).

          Lt. Gen. (Ret.) Ehud Barak

          Minister of Defense (2007-present); former Prime Minister (1999-2001), former Minister of Defense (1999-2001), former Minister of Foreign Affairs (1995-1996), and former Minister of Internal Affairs (1995); served as Chief of General Staff of the IDF (1991-1995), former Deputy Chief of Staff (1987-1991), former Commander of IDF Central Command (1986-1987), former Head of IDF Intelligence Branch (1983-1986); became the most decorated soldier in Israeli history during his 36 years of service in the IDF (1959-1995).

          Col. (Ret.) Omer Bar-Lev

          Labor Party member of Knesset (2013); former Commander of the Jordan Valley Brigade (1992-1993), served as Commander of the elite Sayeret Matkal commando unit (1984-1987); completed 23 years of service in the IDF (1971-1994).

          Maj. Gen. (Ret.) Eitan Ben Eliyahu

          Former Commander-in-Chief of the Israeli Air Force (1996-2000); former Head of Air Force Headquarters (1991-1995), former Head of Air Group (1987-1991), former Commander of the Ramat David Airbase (1984-1987), commanded a squadron of F-15 Eagles (1976-1979) and a squadron of F-4 Phantoms during the Yom Kippur War (1973), former Head of IAF Operations Planning Department (1973); completed 38 years of service in the IDF (1962-2000).

          Brig Gen. (Ret.) Binyamin Ben-Eliezer

          Longest-serving Member of Knesset (1984-present); former Minister of Defense (2001-2002) and former Deputy Prime Minister (1999-2001); served as Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (1983-1984) and as Military Governor of Judea and Samaria (1978-1981), former Commanding Officer in Southern Lebanon (1977-1978); completed 30 years of service in the IDF (1954-1984).

          Brig. Gen. (Ret.) Shlomo Brom

          Senior Research Associate at the Institute for National Security Studies (INSS) at Tel Aviv University; served as Deputy National Security Advisor (2000); participated in peace negotiations with the Palestinians, Jordan, and Syria during the 1990s; former Head of Strategic Planning in the IDF Planning Directorate (1990-1998); completed 30 years of service in the IDF.

          Col. (Ret.) Ran Cohen

          Former member of Knesset (1984-2009); served as Deputy Minister of Housing and Construction (1992) and Minister of Industry and Trade (1999-2000); attained the rank of Colonel in the Paratroop Brigade.

          Col. (Ret.) Meir Dagan

          Former Director of the Mossad (2002-2010); served as National Security Advisor to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (2001); former Commander of the Barak Armored Brigade (1982); recipient of the Medal of Courage (1971); completed 33 years of service in the IDF (1963-1996).

          Brig. Gen. (Ret.) Nehemiah Dagan

          Former Commander of the IDF Education and Youth Corps (1985-1988) and former Commander of the Palmachim Airbase (1979-1982); served as a combat helicopter pilot in the Israeli Air Force; completed 31 years of service in the IDF (1958-1989).

          Avi Dichter

          Minister of Home Front Defense (2012-present) and former Minister of Internal Security (2006-2009); Former Director of the Shin Bet (2000-2005), former Deputy Director of the Shin Bet (1999-2000), former Head of ISA Security Division (1996-1999), former Head of Southern Command (1992-1996); served in the elite Sayeret Matkal commando unit under Ehud Barak; recipient of the Medal of Honor (1987); completed 31 years of service in the Shin Bet (1974-2005).

          Yuval Diskin

          Former Director of the Shin Bet (2005-2011); served in the Shin Bet as Deputy Director (2000-2003), Director of the Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria Field Office (1997-2000), and Director of the Arab Affairs Branch (1994-1997), former Head of Counterterrorism Department (1990-1993); completed 33 years of service in the Shin Bet (1978-2011).

          • Habbgun

            So in one breath you say the Israelis have no desire for peace and then give long lists of those who are.

            Funny that. Maybe what we have here is one side that wants to have peace and another that wants to have jihad and does so throughout the world. You’ll never admit it which is why you’ve so thoroughly outed yourself as a collaborator.

            Peace of the Brave is War for Shmucks

          • Americana

            I’ve never said the Israelis have no desire for peace. I’ve said there are factions in Israel that are against peace and they always claim that they’re right to want Israel to take all the Biblical land and kick the Palestinians out. But there are far more Israeli soldiers who endorse a two-state solution than Israeli soldiers who don’t support a two-state solution.

            If Drakken wants to sneer at the list of Israeli veterans on
            the Peace Now site, he can hardly sneer at the long list of Israeli major generals and Mossad heads that are involved w/this peace effort link below. Drakken may be a Marine contractor but he hasn’t been in charge of Israel’s security during either war or peace as have the men on the following organization’s list:


            Trying to once again conflate all the jihads in the world w/the Palestinian jihad is ridiculous. They are SEPARATE JIHADS. If Israel and the Palestinians settle on a peace accord, there aren’t suddenly going to be indonesian Muslims showing up to give Israel hell.

          • Americana

            Fascinating that you’d choose to misinterpret my remarks along those lines. Both sides want peace, it’s a matter of will whether or not peace can be achieved.

          • Drakken

            You can wish in one hand, and sh*t in the other, which one are you going to fill up first?

          • Americana

            You’re going to continue to ignore that there are very militarily distinguished men saying that a two-state solution is possible? Really? You’re not going to acknowledge those Israeli military men in any way even thought they’re diametrically opposed to your opinion?

    • Johnny Palestine

      There should be an edict from the Knesset that says that any Jew who has subscribed for the NY Times or employed by the NY Times or is the shareholder in the company which owns the rights to publish the NY Times, is no longer a Jew. A list could be provided and those on the list are no longer eligible for immediate citizenship as an Israeli.

      NY Times has always been either anti Israel or pro Palestinian, even before Israel as a modern nation, legally existed.

      • BagLady

        I asked Bibi and he said he’d love to oblige but you are just being a silly-billy as usual.

        Who ‘owns’ the NY Times? (I say ‘owns’ on account of the nameless few who actually own things behind the scenes)

    • BagLady

      I see. So, you argue that one should only ever read people who are of the same opinion as oneself?

      Debate not your strong point Fred?

      • republicc

        Fred is being facetious and you are being dumb.

  • kenaan

    A picture shot two days ago : A well trained Israeli Defense Forces soldier capturing a” dangerous Palestinian terrorist ” – a Ghoiem – in the occupied West Bank in 1967 war(a part of the occupied Palestine) by Zionist invaders in 1948.Israel is literally trying to annihilate these indigenous creatures – whom they found mistakenly on the so called – promised land -.


      How “brave” of Pal-e-SWINE to use children to fight its battles.

      The “men” of Pal-e-SWINE sit in bunkers and plot how to kill.

    • Drakken

      Put your money where your jihadist loving mouth is and go join those little pali savages, I hear Rachel Corrie screaming for company.

      • Habbgun

        Pancakes for breakfast!!!

  • BagLady

    An outpouring of sympathy for three Israeli youths kidnapped by Arab terrorists while hitchhiking …….how does Mackey know for certain that Israelis created the site?

    The simple answer is, he doesn’t. How do you know these youths were kidnapped by Arab terrorists? Simple. You don’t.

    As Granny used to say: You are no better than you aught to be.

    “He creates a moral inversion of sorts by linking grassroots Israeli
    efforts to free the kidnapped youths to automaton-like agents of
    government propaganda”

    If this is a subtle way of saying he is outraged by the “grass roots efforts” to solve this crime, then I would have to agree with him, on account of 4 Palestinians killed so far this week, none of whom was guilty of the abduction.

    Fourteen kids went missing in the Outback this week. Was Al-Qaida the prime suspect? Don’t be silly. It was a crazy Ocker looking to earn a few bob from cheap labour.

    So long as there is an outside chance that something similar has happened to these boys, you are obliged to hold your tongue. Unless, of course, you eschew international legal norms.

  • Drakken

    If you pay enough attention, you can pick up the nuisance in Americana’s writing, all emotion. She actually truly believes in the rainbows and unicorns that the arab muslims will give you Jews peace, when facts and history has proven time and time again that peace is not possible with these bloody savages. As for the baglady, she has a serious case of Stockholm Syndrome and was the only white native girl in the British school she went to, hence she has a nasty case of self loathing and self hating her western roots and takes common cause with the 3rd world against the 1st world.

    • Habbgun

      How do you know she’s British? Except for the constant refrain of Jews manipulate…etc…etc… The fear of Jewish manipulation seems to be real for the British. I almost think they believe it. Weird that they will recite every bank is run by Jews and then say oh but those Moslem murderers are bad too. They are now killing us. Now lets get back to Jews in media.

      I think you’re right about Baglady. She hates minorities but loves the urban Leftist garbage that screws them all up. Its like she wants the authority figures to protect her and knows what they like to hear.