Moral Equivalence, Moral Idiocy

Bruce Thornton is a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, a Research Fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institution, and a Professor of Classics and Humanities at the California State University. He is the author of nine books and numerous essays on classical culture and its influence on Western Civilization. His most recent book, Democracy's Dangers and Discontents (Hoover Institution Press), is now available for purchase.


Thousands attend funeral of Mohammad Abu Khdeir in Shu'afatScenes all too familiar from the Arab conflict with Israel have followed the murder last Wednesday of a 16-year-old Palestinian, Mohammed Abu Khdeir. Mourners at his funeral chanting the Muslim war-cry “Allahu Akbar” as they carry the boy’s open coffin, the crowd shouting slogans like “Intifada rise up” and “America and Israel are the terrorists,” banners representing terrorist organizations like Hamas and Islamic Jihad waving above the crowd, gangs of “youths” attacking Israeli police throughout East Jerusalem, barrages of rockets fired from Gaza into Israel, and the usual condemnations of Israel and calls for “restraint” from the “international community” – all sadly are business as usual. And the “business” is the demonization of Israel and the obscene double standards indulged by too many in the West.

The Israeli authorities have quickly tracked down and arrested 6 Israeli minors as suspects in the killing, even as the killers of the Israelis are still at large.  Israeli Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu said, “We do not differentiate between terrorists, and we will respond to all of them.” The speed of the arrest, and Netanyahu’s unequivocal identification of the crime as an act of terrorism, should underline the differences between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, which seemingly is making little effort to hunt down the main killers of the 3 Israelis, and the Authority’s political partner Hamas, which praised the killings. As Netanyahu pointed out, “The murderers [of the Israelis] came from the territory controlled by the Palestinian Authority; they returned to territory controlled by the Palestinian Authority. Therefore, the Palestinian Authority is obliged to do everything in its power to find them, just as we did, just as our security forces located the suspects in the murder of Muhammad Abu Khdeir within a matter of days.”

But Israel’s enemies are unlikely to draw the proper conclusion from this contrast, or even take time to note how comparatively rare such violence on the part of Israelis is compared to the thousands of Israelis murdered by Palestinian Arabs over the decades. Rather, the moral and intellectual idiocy of the “cycle of violence” meme will determine reactions to this murder on the part of those too lazy or timid to choose a side, even as they hold Israel up to standards of behavior and forbearance no other country would accept. But there are good and bad sides in this conflict, and which side has the moral high ground can be seen by comparing further the reactions of each to the recent murders.

Listen, for example, to the response of Palestinian Authority Mahmoud Abbas to the kidnapping of the Israeli teens, delivered at a meeting of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation in Saudi Arabia: “Those who kidnapped the three Israeli teenagers want to destroy us. First and foremost [these teenagers] are human beings like us. It is our responsibility to search for them and to return them to their families. We will hold their kidnappers accountable, whoever they are.”

For those impressed by these comments, notice that the first sentence condemns the kidnapping not as a moral evil or a terrorist act, but as a tactical blunder damaging the Palestinian Arab program of destroying Israel by “stages.” Bad p.r. is the problem, not the evil of terrorism or the deaths of 3 innocent teenagers. This sort of comment is consistent with Abbas’s past habit of joining general condemnations of terrorist acts to complaints about their bad timing or damage to Palestinian interests. Speaking of the Second Intifada and its brutal terrorism, Abbas commented, “If we do a calculation we will see that without any doubt what we lost was big and what we gained was small.” Later, speaking out against a rocket attack from Gaza, he said, “This is not the time for this kind of attack,” which suggests there is a time for shooting rockets at women and children. That is, blowing up innocents is not wrong, just inefficient at that particular time for achieving the long-term goal of a Palestinian state that eventually will include the territory of Israel.

But the larger context of Abbas’ crocodile tears is his own history of complicity in Jew-hatred and terror, and the PA’s program of genocidal incitement institutionalized in school curricula and popular culture. This is the man who evidence suggests financed the 1972 PLO massacre of Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics, and who, according to the mastermind of that attack, kissed the murderers on the cheek and wished them luck. This is the man whose 1983 doctoral dissertation claimed that Zionists collaborated with the Nazis to murder Jews in order to create sympathy for creating the state of Israel, and asserted that fewer than a million Jews had been murdered in the Holocaust. This is the alleged “moderate” who named a public square in Ramallah after a terrorist who in 1978 killed 38 Israelis, including 13 children. This is the leader whose government pays stipends to terrorist murderers and their families. And this is the head of state who has welcomed the genocidal terrorist outfit Hamas, which has praised the killing of the 3 Israelis, into his government. If, as appears certain, members of Hamas murdered the Israelis, does anyone believe that Abbas will “hold them responsible, whoever they are”?

Now compare Israeli Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu’s comments on the murder of the Palestinian boy before the arrests of the 6 suspects: “We don’t know yet the motives or the identities of the perpetrators, but we will. We will bring to justice the criminals responsible for this despicable crime, whoever they may be. Murder, riots, incitement, vigilantism — they have no place in our democracy.” A categorical condemnation of violence, not a statement of how such a crime harms his government or Israel, and a pledge quickly fulfilled in the swift arrest of 6 suspects. One sees the same contrast between Israel’s response to a brief anti-Arab protest, and the low profile of the PA police – armed and trained, by the way, by the U.S. – during the violence roiling Jerusalem and the West Bank:

Dozens of Israelis had protested in Jerusalem on Tuesday night against the kidnap and killing of the Israeli teens, and there were reports some had shouted ‘death to the Arabs’ at one of these demonstrations. Jerusalem District Police deployed units to the field to prevent the assault of Arab residents and police confirmed that there was an explosive confrontation between inflamed protesters seeking revenge and the Arab population.

Police forces managed to rescue eight Arabs from the mob and arrested 47 on charges of public disorder, attempted assault of Arab minors, assaulting police officers, and property damage.

No major press reports of PA police helping the Israelis keep order or arresting their own people for attacking Israeli citizens and police, let alone actively seeking to find the murderers of the 3 teens. Indeed, the U.S.-funded and trained force has over the years been complicit in terrorist violence. And more recently, as part of the rapprochement between the PA and Hamas, 3,000 PA police officers were sent to Gaza. We can be skeptical that they are there to prevent the various jihadist gangs from firing rockets against Israeli civilians.

These obvious differences between the responses to 2 heinous acts on the part of the people and governments of each side demonstrate that in this conflict moral equivalence is moral idiocy. The truth of history is that a people established under international law on the land of their ancestors have been assaulted, attacked, and invaded by the descendants of conquerors, colonists, and immigrants. In the midst of this existential threat and level of brutal violence against civilians, Israel has stayed true to its liberal democratic foundations and moral code even as it defends itself against a people filled with genocidal hatred. That many in the West cannot acknowledge this simple fact and instead hide behind “cycle of violence” evasions–– when they are not just indulging camouflaged anti-Semitism that always blames Israel–– is testimony to the moral rot of a decadent culture.

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  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    I hope there is another “intifada”, because gaza will finally get the overdue beating it deserves.

    You don’t make peace with your enemies.

    You defeat them and they crawl to surrender, unconditionally.

    WW2 is the best example.

    • Johnny Palestine

      When it comes to moral idiocy, nobody comescloser to the Jew hating Brits. Not all Brits are Jew haters but the British left is obsessed with arguing that Israel is an apartheid state. While the British ILLEGALLY OCCUPY GIBRALTAR, FALKLANDS and the BVI. here:

      http://rt.com/op-edge/170912-israel-no-furute-apartheid/

      Israel is the fetish of the British left. While they refuse to discuss Gibraltar Apartheid. Built on Spanish soil based on a nefarious reason to go to war, illegal under international law. Only British subjects are allowed to live their. DEPORT GAZONIANS TO THE UK.

      I truly detest these people. The british are duplicit. Source of so much of the world suffering.

      • BagLady

        Try asking the Gibraltarians, the Falklanders and the people of the BVI which government they would prefer to live under.

        “IIegal under International law.” What is illegal? British Gibraltar? How about Normandy, should it be British or French?

        How about the people of the US Virgin Islands? Or is that different somehow?

        • Johnny Palestine

          US Virgin Islands is also an Occupied land according to International Law. if country A is not under threat by country B, Country A has broken international law if it invades Country B. Therefore all countries in the Americas are illegal.

          If we judge Israel according to international law, we must judge all coutnries. I cannot discuss Normandy I am not aware of the issues but clearly the OCCUPATION of British Gibraltar is against international law, irregardless of what the Gibraltarians think. If Gibraltar began to launch missiles into Spain, Spain has the right to counter attack.

          Nouvelle Caledonie, Australia, New Zealand, all illegal under international law.

          • Harry_the_Horrible

            How many Carrier Battle Groups does “international law” have?

          • Ganesha_akbar

            Turks murder Kurds. Sunni slaughter Shia. Iran builds nukes. Hamas is openly dedicated to annihilating Israel. So is Iran. Nobody on the British Left cares.

            And yet the only real villains (for British Leftists) are Israelis. Always the tolerant Jews.

            But none of these facts matter. Indeed, it’s tiring even to recount them in an environment where Big Lies matter more than obvious truths, where self-reliance is “bigotry,” where restraint is “intolerance,” and where the presumptive heirs of Gandhi fling molotovs in support of Saddam.

          • Johnny Palestine

            Correct. The British tacitly assist the Turks in their ILLEGAL OCCUPATION of Cyprus. Muslims kill Muslims. Muslims rape Christians. But the British only have eyes on the ” siege of Gaza”, The British should return all the artifacts they have stolen during their international plundering

          • Drakken

            It has to be the inbreeding with the natives in South America that has made you this stupid.

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          • BagLady

            The British, along with all other colonialist, upper crust pillagers, screwed up totally. Let’s all hold our hands up to that. It is proven.. No-one is arguing anymore.

            However, “History,” as Blair so rightly said, “will judge us”.

            The question is: how many centuries will we have to wait until Blair is proven right in his decision to wage war absolutely everywhere.

            Still, even though millions have lost their lives because of him, he can rest easy now he has met the Pope and become a Catholic thus joining the religion of his overbearing, over-educated, greedy wife..

            With this new found one-to-one dialogue with G-d, Blair is able to go about his business as Peace Envoy, whilst accidentally making $millions

            With people like this negotiating for peace, I have little hope for the Middle East and if I lived there, I’d be moving.

          • Drakken

            You seem to have quite the moral equivalence problem with the 3rd world. Let me clue you in since your leftist viewpoint is getting in the way of your very survival. If the 3rd world takes over, prepare for the next dark ages, so your going to have to excuse me as I say and do something to protect and preserve what we have built.

          • Johnny Palestine

            What you have stolen and the native tribes’ development your ancestors arrested.

          • BagLady

            You might be pleasantly surprised at the progress being made in the ‘third world’. So long as there is no war in the region and no government interference, modernity is coming in leaps and bounds.

            ‘Third worlds’ (as the west so arrogantly describes elsewhere) do not “take over”. They move upwards and become ‘second worlds’. If they fail to make it to ‘first world’ it’s because those in power in these countries would lose their ‘aid’ and prefer to stay below the cut-off point.

            Trouble only comes when the west sticks its oar in demanding changes to the status quo and always for its own financial benefit.

          • Drakken

            It is too bad that ole Gandhi didn’t try his bullsh*t on the Japanese, they would have found Gandhi’s beheaded corpse in the Ganges.

          • ebonystone

            Or used him for bayonet practice,like they did thousands of civilians at Nanking.

          • BagLady

            Oh, ha ha ha ha. So erudite.

          • Ganesha_akbar

            try Nuedexta

          • Johnny Palestine

            Agreed.

          • BagLady

            Ghandi’s bullsh*t was so powerful great powers sought his annihilation. Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it.

          • Ganesha_akbar

            You first. During WWII, Gandhi penned an open letter to the British people, urging them to surrender to the Nazis.

            Judging from the demographic suicide experiment being indulged currently on BagLady’s tiny island, Drummer Rigby won’t be last sacrifice to Gandhi’s delusional spell.

          • Drakken

            Gandhi’s bullsh*t would never fly against a foe that means business. If that naked idiot ever tried his nonsense against an oriental foe, they would have laughed at him and his followers as they gave them an ole samurai haircut. You Brits tired and worn out because of WW 2 gave Gandhi ground which you should have never done.

          • BagLady

            Didn’t Pontius Pilate come to realise the power of peace? Wasn’t it he who, realising he couldn’t beat them, joined the masses and proclaimed Jesus the Son of God to be worshipped?

            The Brits killed Gandhi because he had the masses behind him, and that would never do.

          • Ganesha_akbar

            Pilate ordered Jesus scourged and crucified.

            Gandhi was murdered by rival Hindu assassins.

            BagLady is bald-faced liar.

          • BagLady

            He did indeed order Jesus to be crucified but when exactly did Jesus make the journey from simple son of a carpenter to Son of God? Only politicians have the power to make this so.

            Gandhi was murdered by the British. What does it matter who pulled the trigger.

          • Ganesha_akbar

            ^fraud

          • BagLady

            Oh you poor perfect person. Surrounded by evil people while you walk barefoot in your homespun holding your olive branch out to your enemies, not a gun in sight.

          • Ganesha_akbar

            ^Deep psychological projection there. Inside every self-absorbed British Leftist you’ll find an idealized little Gandhi figurine chanting about the romance of collective suicide.

            During WWII, Gandhi penned an open letter to the British people, urging them to surrender(!) to the Nazis. Later, when the extent of the holocaust was known, he criticized Jews who had tried to escape or fight for their lives as they did in Warsaw and Treblinka. “The Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher’s knife,” he said. “They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs.” “Collective suicide,” he told his biographer, “would have been heroism.”

            British Leftists certainly have the right to make Gandhi’s way their way (reprise Drummer Rigby), but their efforts to make collective suicide Israeli foreign policy just won’t cut it. When Israeli’s think of heroism, we think of the young IDF and American soldiers in Gaza and Afghanistan, risking their lives to prevent another Hitler or UBL.

            Gandhi probably wouldn’t approve, but I can live with that.

          • BagLady

            I have met thousands of your young ex-IDF’s around the world and found little connection between their idealism and Ghandi’s. …Sadly. However, there have been one or two.

            I hope Meni has opened up his restaurant. He did make the best shakshuka I ever tasted.

          • Ganesha_akbar

            ^delusional Gandhi-fantasist

            q.e.d.

          • BagLady

            When Israelis think of heroism, we think of the young IDF

            Gandhi probably wouldn’t approve, but I can live with that”

            I’d send you this weeks photos from Palestine: dead kids. Injured kids carrying dead kids. Kids with both legs blown off. I shan’t of course. Too graphic for FPM.

          • Ganesha_akbar

            Own the fruits of your romance with suicide. They’re all yours.

          • BagLady

            Always the tolerant Jews.”

            Ha ha ha. I have had many Jewish friends in my life and ‘tolerant’ is not the first adjective that springs to mind.

            Gandhi’s heirs do not throw molotovs because if they did they would not be his heirs. Logical.

          • http://geoffreybritain.wordpress.com/ Geoffrey_Britain

            In other words, all whites should return to Europe? Idiocy by any other name is still idiocy. ‘International law’ didn’t exist when those countries were formed and ALL societies have from time immemorial practiced the “right by way of conquest”… whites did NOTHING that non-whites have not done innumerable times. It’s pure BS motivated by envious resentment (sore loser syndrome) that whites are singled out for condemnation of what every society has historically done. Where’s your call for Mexicans to give back Mexico to their indigenous population? For the Sioux to give back their ‘sacred’ black hills to the tribes they stole it from? Europe has historically experienced waves of conquest. Where’s the shame for the Mongolian conquests? Native American’s historical brutality toward anyone not “of the tribe”? There’s no sorting it out. Give it up already or prove yourself to be a rabble rousing idiot.

          • Johnny Palestine

            If your point is that the land belongs to those who can keep it, I agree with you sir.
            I wish to point out the hypocrisy with regard to Israel, .0002% of the Middle East jungle. Another issue is that British history is full of invasion after invasion to countries very far away, farther than the Sioux to the black hills. From Hong Kong to Cartagena to Australia. Divide the groups to conquer. YET the BRITISH LOVE TO HATE ISRAEL as do more and more of their Anglo cousins in the USA and Canada. The British touch their ankles when the word Islam is heard.

          • http://geoffreybritain.wordpress.com/ Geoffrey_Britain

            That is NOT my point. My point is that prior to the establishment of International norms it is fundamentally dishonest to point only to the West.

            Please clarify what you mean by “the hypocrisy with regard to Israel”.

            British history is also full of invasion after invasion by other countries of England. It is either dishonestly or ignorance to fail to mention that factor. Pointing to the fact that the British roamed much “farther than the Sioux to the black hills” is a ploy to avoid similar condemnation of other societies and races. I am not nor will not excuse those Brits who love to hate Israel. Antisemitism has never ceased in Europe. The British “touching their ankles when the word Islam is heard” is an historically recent phenomena and the result of leftist influence.

            “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

            The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as
            a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”
            Winston Churchill

          • Johnny Palestine

            Yes sir You are correct with regard to Islam. It is pure filth where its followers have not evolved past the 6th century. Israel must turn Gaza into Carthage one day while it can.

            Islam Imperialism is worse than that of British Imperialism but how much really? True there are 584 Jews on Malta but British history is not pretty. Your elites were monsters. I can continue ( 1812 War, WW1, WW2, exoulsion of Acadians, BP spill in 2010; 4 weeks prior MrTony Howard sold 40% of his shares in BP and there are other stories too; African slavery, twice the Jews were expelled and their properties taken by the king/gangster at the time, Support of the South in the US Civil War. In Britain, UK or England or whatever you call yourselves, the South navy was built, etc..).

            Here we are. 2014. Whom are the British? Friends or Foe?. Given that their elites control everything, Scotland refused to allow the US planes to refuel on their way to assist Israel in 2008, the BBC, Guardian, Telegraph, I cannot say. Many British are still angry with regard to the King David hotel. Nigel Farage is a good man. There must be more despite being home to the Electronic Intifada.

            I have read to many articles labelling Israel an apartheid country written by a British person and Londonistan is a joke even known by Daniel Pipes.

            I pray for the EDL

          • BagLady

            Israel is an apartheid country, notwithstanding the stupidity of the Palestinians.

            Stand up and be counted instead of always portraying yourselves as the lily white paragons of virtue. You do shoot kids. Your forces are just as thuggish as everywhere else in the world. Perhaps if you stopped pretending otherwise you might get a bit more sympathy.

            British/American/Spanish/German/Portuguese history is not pretty, but at least we have the guts to stand up and say ‘mea culpa’. We were dirty fighters.

          • Johnny Palestine

            BRITAIN is the APARTHEDI country. How many Blacks in the British government? 0 You are ignorant of the definition of the word apartheid. Israel has Arab Muslims in the government and they are part of the country. They are free to leave but no other Arab country wants them and they are smart enough to know that Israel is the best country in the ME!!

          • BagLady

            Try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_minority_British_politicians

            You can’t just make things up. Britain is one of the most politically correct countries in the world and EVERYONE is represented.

          • Ganesha_akbar

            ^Rubbish. Jordanian-Arabs of The Palestinian Authority demand removal of “settlements” and that no Jewish communities be allowed in Judea (the so-called “West Bank“).

            Meanwhile, Egyptian-Arabs in Hamastan have ethnically cleansed Gaza of every ethnic Jew.

            It would appear that people demanding the ethnic cleansing of Jews from these disputed territories envision one country (Israel) where Jews, Muslims and others may live as equals; and another (Palestine) where Jews are verboten.

            If that isn’t Islamo-supremacist Apartheid, I don’t know what is.

          • BagLady

            Meanwhile, Egyptian-Arabs in Hamastan have ethnically cleansed Gaza of every ethnic Jew.”

            If you look at it that way you could say that Pakistanis have ethnically cleansed Bradford or that the blacks have cleansed Croydon (towns in the UK). The truth is that the whites moved out as they moved in. They could have stayed but they chose not to. This is the way it always goes under such circumstances. We are tribal. We stick with our clan.

            I do believe there are road signs in disputed areas that read “Jews Only”. Am I right?

            This is one part of the world that could do with going back to the 19th century when Muslim, Christian, Jew et al all lived there in near perfect harmony. Not marrying each other but going to school together, socialising, living as neighbours, whilst each attended to his own form of worship.

            One thing seems clear to me. Hamas is on its back-foot.

            Many ask why they are being so foolhardy with their practically harmless rocket fire, risking an invasion by Israeli forces; 40,000 massing along the fence as I write.

            Some argue it is internal strife with Fatah. They have not a single seat in government and have made no progress whatsoever.

            The people have lost patience with them. They were always the providers of welfare and education. Palestinians could never rely on Fatah for these services, hence the overwhelming, democratic vote they received but were denied. The one way to get the voter back on side is to be the saviour. If Israel attacks they will hide behind Al-Aqsar, waving their fists at the drone killers.

            However, I believe it is more simple. It would appear that Hamas has recently taken delivery of some new super-duper Syrian rockets and various other warring paraphernalia and, being big macho men, just couldn’t wait to try them out….. in a controlled manner of course.

            Please let’s not forget, not a single Israeli death from this tit-fo-tat. Let’s hope Mr Testosterone stays down there where he belongs.

          • BagLady

            YET the BRITISH LOVE TO HATE ISRAEL”

            Poppycock

          • Drakken

            You on the left certainly do, is there any 3rd world sh*thole you lefty’s don’t stand up for ?

          • Drakken

            International law has zero meaning and enforcement, the victors dictate what the law is, not some sniveling wetback like you with an ax to grind, so take your so called international law and shove it where the sun don’t shine.

          • BagLady

            Which begs the question: Why do we pay so much of our hard earned income to the UN? Year after year they are shown to be, not only totally corrupt, but ineffectual into the bargain.

            They fill us full of fear with their talk of foreign enemies on the verge of invading our villages when, in fact, they are the enemy. Big business demands we open our borders and fill our pools with cheap labour to the point of overflowing.

            They are driving us into poverty with the full knowledge that it will cause internal strife. No probs. Reduce the welfare budget and ratchet up ‘inland security’. Do like Boris Johnson has done (Mayor of London) and buy in a few extra water cannons at great expense from Germany (where else?).

          • Drakken

            Why do we westerners pay the UN fee’s and extortion money you ask? Western self hatred, guilt and the 3rd world threat to invade us.

          • BagLady

            Rubbish. Where Germany failed in its aggressive takeover it has more than made up for by its financial gains

            Germany now rules Europe. No question about it.

            I note you say “westerners” paying UN fees. Could we know please why the US is $1.2billion in arrears?

          • BagLady

            I see your little map extends only from you to the “3rd world” as you envisage it.

            Is that every country you never heard of, all coming together to invade you and take your Ute and two killer dogs… and … God forbid…. your cowboy boots?

          • BagLady

            Apart from your incredible rudeness, you are right about international law. There is no such thing. Big business dictates what your law makers write. Do not let’s ever be fooled into thinking otherwise.

            If you are happy with this fact, then so be it. Perhaps you profit from the status quo. I can’t think for one moment that you actually care about your fellow man.

      • Drakken

        So called international law has no bearing or standing period, to the victors go the spoils and we are sovereign citizens of sovereign countries, not citizens of the world. Your just pizzed that as a inbred Spanish speaking wetback, the Brits took what you couldn’t keep, and here you are whining about it years after the fact.

        • Johnny Palestine

          It is the British left that is whining about Gaza. The British do not have the stomach to discuss Gibraltar.

          I heard that a Latino family is moving to your neighborhood. Maybe they have a boy. You will get lucky!

          • Drakken

            The Brits have nothing to talk about, they won it in war fair and square so there is nothing more to discuss, period.
            As for a wetback moving into an area that I am from? Not bloody likely, for there would be milk cartons with lots of pictures on them. I come from the most homogenous area in the country. Most are direct descendants of Europe and don’t believe in diversity or multiculturalism.

          • Johnny Palestine

            I cannot say it was fair and square. I can say that Crakken likes Latino boys and their pleasures as do many white European men.

          • BagLady

            When you start to see sea monsters it’s time to get off that stuff.

            ..,.,.White European men?

            Oh man. Boys, kids, babies. The internet has opened up the whole can of worms when it comes to perversion. It was always thereof course and, thankfully, we can now address the problem without, hopefully (to save all powerful faces) producing more perversion. I don’t hold out much hope of course.

          • Drakken

            That is why you of South American descent can never rule or govern anything, your machismo gets in the way of common sense or hard cold logic, because the rest of you couldn’t rule if you tried, Ole Chavez of Venezuela and Moralize of Bolivia are prime examples.

  • Gamal

    There are Israelis who faced with endless murder of their brethren, despite Israeli defensive measures and concessions, conclude that the only way to stop the violence is to reciprocate. They believe that the way to deal with murderers is to send the message that if you kill one of us, we will kill one of you. Are they the equivalent of Muslim terrorists? One man who came to this conclusions was a doctor named Baruch Goldstein. Among the many people he tried to rescue from Arab attacks were his friends who died in his arms as a result of Muslim attacks. One day he heard etbach el yahud chants coming from a mosque. The mosque was full of Palestinian Muslim worshippers shouting “kill the Jew”. He opened fire and killed the murderous mob. Was he the terrorist equivalent of the Muslims who murdered his friends?

    • StanleyT

      No, no, no and no!!!! I am as pro-Israel as it’s possible to be, but the murder of the Arab teen and the exploits of Baruch Goldstein leave me absolutely sick to my stomach. Firstly, to believe that Jews could do this! It reduces us to the level of the animals who live around us. We are better than that, and we need to be better than that at all times.

      Secondly, as we see so clearly now, it gives the world an excuse. Our three teenagers have now died for nothing. We have lost the moral high ground through this one senseless act. Suddenly, it’s no longer just “well, they shouldn’t have been in the West Bank (sic)”. It’s now “See, you’re just as bad. You deserve everything you get.”

      Finally, the Arabs just don’t care! They never cease telling us that “You love life, we love death”. Trying to turn the tables on them provides them with clear victories. They get their martyrs, their shaheeds and their incredible PR. They get to keep telling their kids that the Jews are murderers.

      No matter how difficult it may be, we have to remain calm and we have to do things the right way. This is not it.

      • Damaris Tighe

        Absolutely spot on. Kol hakovod.

      • Habbgun

        How did David handle Moab? It wasn’t pretty. It was moral. To allow Jews to be killed here and there justified by some moral calculus is wrong. If you allow that you will indeed by forcing retaliation by Jews in a criminal way. Israel already tried the Peace of the Brave. It already tried autonomy for the Palis. Palis didn’t just disappoint Israel. They have been thrown out of Jordan, Lebanon and Tunisia. At some point Jews must take their land. We tried treating the land as cheap and we let them know that we would in the future be regarding our own lives as cheap which is where we are now.

      • Drakken

        Sorry Stan, you sound like one of those folks who walked happily and merrily to the train stations, not quite believing what a guy with a funny mustache said what he was going to do. The time for niceties and pleasantries and taking the high so called moral ground are over, it is a very simple matter of the muslims against all the rest of us. When those bloody inbred savages fear you, they will leave you alone. Taking that high moral ground only gets you buried in it, as history has proved again and again, and here you ignore it in the vain hope that it will all go away if we are just nicer to the bloody savages.
        There is a reason why every one remembers Carthage, because they fear it happening to them, time to bring Carthage to the fakestinians lands and then these savages will quit killing you.

        • Johnny Palestine

          We agree

      • Gamal

        Jews are condemned no matter how much they take the moral high ground. Arabs are told the jews are murderers all the time no matter what the Jews do.

  • Paul Beighley

    No, I’m pretty sure all the children are equally dead.

    Murder of an innocent is wrong no matter who does it. Full stop. Any commentary beyond that only serves to rationalize evil.

    • nopeacenow

      Here is an example of the moral equivalence referred to by Mr. Thornton in his column.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      Assuming you’re not using mendacious definitions for “murder.”

    • Bklyn Farmer

      In a previous post you stated “Apologies, I read the first sentence, and my brain stopped working.” So obviously this isn’t your 1st brain fart.

    • Drakken

      When one fights evil savages, one must get downright medieval with them, anything less, only leaves them to come back to fight you later.

  • Spinoneone

    Most of the Fascists currently running the U.S. are anti-Zionism and many are openly anti-Semitic. So don’t expect any congratulations to the Israelis for doing the right thing in rounding up the perps in their case. And, don’t expect the Palestinians to find theirs.

  • PATRIOT.WW48

    So what do you expect from A-rabs, Rag-Heads, Sheet-Heads. God calls Ishmael and his off-spring “wild-a$$-men” who’s hand will be against all others. God sure can turn phrase. So if you want any semblance of peace until JESUS returns, every Sq.in. of rag-head sand must be turned into glass. if they do not understand that in Dearborn, Mi. then it needs to be napalmed.

  • Hard Little Machine

    Is there a cycle of handing out candy after a lynching? Because after I do that, THEN someone can wring their hands about a dead Arab teenager.

    • Damaris Tighe

      That tradition is truly barbaric & shows up the people who do it for the death-worshippers they are.

  • s;vbkr0boc,klos;

    The ‘extreme right wing’ violence of the Israeli ‘settlers’ is shocking – by its RARITY.

  • ping

    Netanyahu did the right thing when he condemned the murder and called for restraint (funnily enough FPM freaked out when Obama said the same thing), much to the malign of the FPM commenters who were calling for revenge massacres against “Paleswinians” up until that point.

    • Ganesha_akbar

      Q: Has Obama phoned the mother of the (un-Mirandized!) Colorado Muslim teen he immolated in Yemen yet?

    • Drakken

      Soon muslim, soon. You leftist and your muslim allies keep pushing the envelope where peace is concerned, and it is always inevitable that you and others of your ilk bring war upon yourselves, much to your horror and chagrin. Nice Che beret by the way, effing commi filth.

  • http://www.clarespark.com/ Clare Spark

    “Moral equivalence” is a copout which makes each side in the conflict equally victimized and equally guilty. The only correct way to see this conflict is a confrontation between modernity and archaic barbarism. The UN of course, does not see it that way, nor does our State Department and POTUS. I laid out my research from the early days of the Jewish state here: http://clarespark.com/2014/06/18/how-ralph-bunche-sold-out-and-failed-in-palestine/. “Femiinized” and “Jewified” modernity and my breakup with Ralph Bunche.

  • uleaveuswithnoalternative

    I have friends living in Jerusalem and they reported that “Palestinians” were setting off firecrackers, lighting fires and celebrating the deaths of the 3 Jewish boys.
    On pro-Muslim websites (and other sites like Facebook), you can see photos of Muslims holding up 3 fingers and smiling; it signifies their joy at the death of 3 Jews.

  • Ganesha_akbar

    Leftist hysterics are better directed at the ummah’s fatwa writers. Satirical immolators were merely emulating the norms of their new Muslim overlords.

    “Muslim cleric issues fatwa against homosexuality, live-in relationships”: The mufti has cited two hadiths (teachings of Mohammed) from the Quran as a premise for his fatwa. As per Hadith Dur-re-mukhtar, such acts could attract severe punishment, he said. “A person may be burnt alive, pushed from a high wall or be beaten publically with stones if he indulges into either of the two behaviours,” the fatwa states.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    The speed of the arrest, and Netanyahu’s unequivocal identification of the crime as an act of terrorism, should underline the differences between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, which seemingly is making little effort to hunt down the main killers of the 3 Israelis, and the Authority’s political partner Hamas, which praised the killings.

    The main difference between infidel society and Islamic totalitarian society is infidel society always arrests and prosecutes to the fullest extent of the law all murderers who murder their victims in cold blood regardless of who their victims are.

    Islamic totalitarian society, on the other hand, celebrates all jihadists as shahids, for first of all fulfilling their fundamental holy obligation to wage jihad, which is a holy war waged by all Muslims against all infidels in the cause of Allah to ultimately make Islam supreme, and also because they are heroes of that jihad.

    Hence, the notion that there is a moral equivalence since the Palestinian Authority is making an effort, no matter how mediocre, to actually hunt down the jihadists responsible for the killing of the 3 innocent Israeli teens is a crock of crap, as that is the last thing the Palestinian Authority is doing. Indeed, they are doing whatever they can to prevent the apprehension of the jihadists responsible for those cold blooded murders.

    Not to mention that there is no evidence whatsoever that so-called Palestinian boy that was brutally murdered was murdered by Israelis other than very questionable accusations. Since when have Israelis began torching people? So-called Palestinians murder non-conformers, informers, and gays in that manner all the time.

    As Netanyahu pointed out, “The murderers [of the Israelis] came from the territory controlled by the Palestinian Authority; they returned to territory controlled by the Palestinian Authority. Therefore, the Palestinian Authority is obliged to do everything in its power to find them, just as we did, just as our security forces located the suspects in the murder of Muhammad Abu Khdeir within a matter of days.”

    Yeah right…and Mahmood Abbas can somehow make a permanent peace deal as opposed to a Hudna with an infidel state and not be assassinated the same way Anwar Sadat was for blasphemy too, even though the only peace that Sharia proscribes between infidels and Muslims is the peace that comes only after the infidels have been subjugated into Islamic totalitarianism, i.e., harsh and degrading dhimmitude, and after Islam has been made supreme via the imposition of Sharia, i.e., Islamic totalitarian law.

    But Israel’s enemies are unlikely to draw the proper conclusion from this contrast,

    Proper conclusion, according to whom, infidel society or Islamic totalitarian society? In Islamic totalitarian society, the jihadists responsible for murdering those 3 innocent Israeli teens in cold blood are shahids, because they are heroes of the jihad the Islamic totalitarian world is waging perpetually against all infidels to ultimately make Islam supreme. Again, there is no asinine moral equivalence between infidel society, on the one hand, and Islamic totalitarian society, on the other.

    Rather, the moral and intellectual idiocy of the “cycle of violence” meme will determine reactions to this murder on the part of those too lazy or timid to choose a side, even as they hold Israel up to standards of behavior and forbearance no other country would accept.

    There is no so-called “cycle of violence” scenario. The so-called Palestinians are the proxies of the Islamic totalitarian world, and the Islamic totalitarian world is waging jihad, i.e., holy war, perpetually against not only the infidels in Israel, but also against all infidels throughout the world, per the dictates of Islam, to ultimately make Islam supreme throughout the world.

    Indeed, this is a clash of civilizations between the Islamic totalitarian world, on the one hand, and the infidel world, on the other, and as such Israel, or for that matter, any other individual infidel state, can’t make peace with the Islamic totalitarian world alone. Any solution therefore to our collective worldwide jihad problem will have to be collective in nature and involve all infidel states acting in cooperation together to solve our collective worldwide jihad problem.

    As a matter of fact, waging jihad in one form or another, i.e., either violently or non-violently, which is a holy war waged by all Muslims against all infidels to ultimately make Islam supreme throughout the world, is a fundamental holy obligation incumbent upon all Muslims, and because Islam is a so-called religion that executes all apostates and all blasphemers, all mainstream orthodox Muslims in the world, as opposed to only a tiny minority of Muslim radicals and extremists that resort to terrorism in response to various grievances, are jihadists in one form or another, either violent or non-violent. Otherwise, they are executed for apostasy and blasphemy according to the dictates of Islam.

    Islam is by far more than it is anything else an extremely rabid form of totalitarianism that seeks to become supreme more than it is a so-called religion. Thus, just like the old Communist Soviet Union sent non-conformers to the Soviet gulags, the Islamic totalitarian world simply executes all non-conformers for apostasy and blasphemy.

    Moreover, the reason Muslim jihadists primarily target innocent civilian infidels doesn’t have anything whatsoever to do with terrorism. Instead, it is proscribed for them per the dictates of Sharia, as the murder in cold blood of innocent civilians is the weak underbelly of the infidel world. `

    “Those who kidnapped the three Israeli teenagers want to destroy us. First and foremost [these teenagers] are human beings like us. It is our responsibility to search for them and to return them to their families. We will hold their kidnappers accountable, whoever they are.”

    Actions speak louder than words, especially when it comes to Islamic totalitarian society. If you believe that nonsense, i.e., taqiyya, then there isn’t much you won’t believe. I bet he rolled his eyes immediately after he said that.

  • El Cid

    Another way to see it is that the world holds us Jews to a higher moral standard, and well they should! We deliver.

    • Drakken

      The problem with taking that high moral ground is, the bloody muslim savages will bury you in it.

      • Adam Auach

        i’LL BET YOUR GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER SAID THE EXACT SAME THING WHEN THEY BLAMED THE ENTIRE JEWISH COMMUNITY OF OTTOMAN SYRIA IN 1840 AND TORTURED ALL ITS LEADERS AT THE SECRET BEHEST OF LOCAL TURKISH (CONSTANTINOPLE) AUTHORITIES. OOPS MEANT TO REPLY TO THE ORIGINAL COMMENT.

        • Drakken

          My family on both sides, (Austria/Prussia) goes back over a thousand years, and had Jewish friends for over a millennia, so thanks for playing. It is too bad you Israeli’s don’t use a little bit of cold, hard, harsh Teutonic logic, you could use it against the muslim savages your dealing with now. As for the bloody Turks? They are just like the rest of the savages of the muslim world, we will be having to kick them out of Europe yet again soon.

  • Geppetto

    “[T}he moral rot of a decadent culture.” And what culture might that be? It should concern every American that we, or those we’ve elected to represent us and those Americans who spew their anti American, anti-Jewish hatred unabashedly are definitely an integral part of the decadent culture,

    The Israeli’s and the average American will not react violently against these cowards posing as elite spokespersons for truth and justice. Hamas, Abbas and their Arab/Muslim supporters however will cut their throats while shouting Allahu Akbar shortly after they summon the courage to speak the obvious truths which is why most fear doing so. And therein lies the power and purpose of terrorism against civilian populations which consist primarily of folks who fear for their lives and the lives of their loved ones and understandably so.

    Unfortunately for this crowd of loudmouths who mask their cowardice with faux erudite, intellectual acumen, terror will not be eliminated by obsequious acquiescence or alliance. In the final accounting, should this secular Muslim uprising they so fervently support be successful, these malcontents will share the fate of the Israeli’s that will be inflicted by those whom they now defend, support and assist. They should begin to ponder whether ignorance, cowardice, naivete, zealotry and gullibility is what is really behind their hatred for the Jews. Deep personal introspection might be helpful,,,,,,,,,,,but let’s not hold our breaths.

  • PAthena

    Arabs should not be called “PalestinIans.” Doing so is Soviet propaganda, for the Soviet Union and Gamal Nasser, ruler of Egypt, in Cairo in 1964, founded the “Palestine Liberation Organization” (P.L.O.), the name showing the Soviet origin. It came to fame when it massacred the Israeli athletes at the Olympic Games in Munich in 1972, whence these Arabs have been called “Palestinians” with phony history and propaganda.
    The name “Palestina” was given to Judea by the Roman Emperor Hadrian after he had defeated the last Jewish rebellion under Bar Kochba; he outlawed Judaism and renamed Jerusalem “Aelia Capitolina,” “Aelius” being his gens name. From that time on, the name “Palestine” was synonymous with “land of the Jews” and “Palestinian” with “Jew.” Thus Great Britain after World War I was awarded the “Palestine Mandate” to be “the homeland of the Jews.”

    • trickyblain

      Historically, you are in error. Hadrian didn’t just randomly make up the term.

      The Greeks (Herodotus, specifically) spoke of Palestine when Rome was a village just vying for dominance with Veii in Southern Italy; 400 years before they could dream about lands as far off as Palestine . Much earlier, the Egyptians had a very similar word for the region as far back as 800 BC (Palashtu). It’s one of our most disputed regions. For a long time. Way, way before Soviets or Americans had anything to say about it.

      Historically, Palestinians mean “people that live in Palestine.” Palestinians. They are and were Jews, Arabs, and all that live there.

      • Ganesha_akbar

        ^Rubbish. Herodotus merely disambiguated the Egyptian and Hebrew word “peleshet”, meaning “migrant” as applied to the area currently called Gaza. That word is the etymological root for “Philistine” which applied to a now extinct sea-faring people. The term peleshet appears in the Jewish Tanakh no fewer than 250 times.

        Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here’s what he said:

        “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

        “For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”

        That’s pretty clear, isn’t it? Your parroted propaganda is better directed at its Soviet era source.

  • Adam Auach

    What’s being and has been left out of the world press completely!!! Is how this all built up. There are near daily sexual assaults on Israeli women by Arabs, some such as Shelly Dadon lead to murder. there is daily small scale ignored violence against the religious Jews of Jerusalem, by “palestinian” youth, those same youth have no incentive to work whatsoever, they recieve a check from Israel, a check from EU aid organizations, a check from the US government, a check from Hamas (only if they attack Jews search the JTA article on it, if you don’t believe me), a check from Qatar (Qatar is rolling in cash, they average 115,000 US dollars a year salary), a check from the Turkish tax payer, and a check from various NGO’s. There have been 15 stabbings to death of religious (yarmulkah wearing) Jews in the last 12 months NONE not one reported by any international press whatsoever, there was the attempted murder of Noam Glick at point blank range a 9 year old, who Abass called the ‘Marlboro Man Assasin” there wasn’t a peep of international outcry at any of these, there is daily grafitti and low level harrassment (again they are in fact paid to do what they naturally do) just last week a ‘west bank’ town changed its flag to a Swastika on black and hung it all over their city, no one took it down yet, there were desecrations of Samaritan Christian graves and sites, and the world media didn’t say a word, there is daily harassment and murder of Christians, and the media does not even mention it whatsoever. I can trust me go on.

    • Drakken

      Well for christsake shoot them! If one of those savages rape one of mine, there wouldn’t be a savage muslim to prosecute! You only tolerate what you put up with and it looks like you’ll put up with anything until you say enough is enough.

  • FactsRule

    An o.k. piece, Bruce. I myself would refer to rockets as missiles rather than a word that can also refer to a cool complex mode of transportation into space.
    Back to the article, I do not find it at all moral that Israeli leaders have not repatriated the overwhelmingly genocidal population of Arab Muslims back to Jordan & Egypt. Repatriation is the only practical effective AND compassionate solution, period. It was not only Israel’s legal right when that hostile population was left on Israel’s side of the border in 1967, but remains their right. The only entity that has full & complete legal rights to the splinter of land west of the Jordan River is Israel. Not repatriating the Arab Muslims has resulted instead in the death, dismemberment, serious injury, dispossession, & torture of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. And, in addition, millions of relatives & friends suffering from those attacks. Not repatriating the Jordanians & Egyptians has led not only to tremendous suffering but great expense. The so-called Palestinians have always continued toward fulfilling their oft mentioned & promoted goal, their highest aspiration, the annihilation of Israel’s population & theft of their land. They’ve never shown even one time a meaningful move toward accepting the existence of Israel or of a state on anything but all of the land west of the Jordan, as illustrated by their official maps that contain no country of Israel. Anyone interested in viewing decades of material about the so-called Palestinians should run not walk to palwatch.org. Found there are videos & quotes collected for decades all of which expose the so-called Palestinians in their own words & deeds. That’s the free web site resource, palwatch.org.

  • Jp

    Psalm2:4 He who sits in the heavens laughs,
    The Lord scoffs at them.

  • Drakken

    So your into S&M, how interesting. Quite the dichotomy you have going on there, peace at any price on the one side and sadomasochistic tendencies on the other.

  • LibertyWriter

    preaching to the choir. mooslims are vile creatures, plain and simple.