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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2014 04:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t people realize that the real problem is atomic inequality among the periodic table of elements? And I have the science to PROVE it!


WTF do we do now? It&#039;s like global warming and income inequality all rolled in to one. There is no escape.


Unless of course you put me in charge. Only my plan will work but I need to have a lot more power than any other leader before. We must have a unified global plan for this problem. And my power must be virtually unchecked because I will act in the name and the interests of the people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t people realize that the real problem is atomic inequality among the periodic table of elements? And I have the science to PROVE it!</p>
<p>WTF do we do now? It&#8217;s like global warming and income inequality all rolled in to one. There is no escape.</p>
<p>Unless of course you put me in charge. Only my plan will work but I need to have a lot more power than any other leader before. We must have a unified global plan for this problem. And my power must be virtually unchecked because I will act in the name and the interests of the people.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2014 04:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right. And if there is some &quot;inflation&quot; we&#039;ll just keep doubling it till everything is &quot;fair.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. And if there is some &#8220;inflation&#8221; we&#8217;ll just keep doubling it till everything is &#8220;fair.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: gerry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gerry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2014 03:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Double it,so everyone can drive expensive cars,jet around etc etc...More people neede to build  cars,houses,fly planes etc etc...A win win situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Double it,so everyone can drive expensive cars,jet around etc etc&#8230;More people neede to build  cars,houses,fly planes etc etc&#8230;A win win situation.</p>
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		<title>By: gerry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gerry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2014 03:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although I am now retired this is what I am doing right now in Southeast Asia.Helping the poor,by providing them with a good education that will enable them to get a degree,and a good job.Lots of resistance from certain quarters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I am now retired this is what I am doing right now in Southeast Asia.Helping the poor,by providing them with a good education that will enable them to get a degree,and a good job.Lots of resistance from certain quarters.</p>
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		<title>By: gerry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gerry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2014 03:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is income inequality,not too many people get the same income or salary as Reid,Pelousy,etc etc.So,what are they not redistributing,not only part of their income and wealth?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is income inequality,not too many people get the same income or salary as Reid,Pelousy,etc etc.So,what are they not redistributing,not only part of their income and wealth?</p>
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		<title>By: gerry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gerry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2014 03:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have learned how to create more poor.This is an industry,lots of people are living nicely on the back of the poor.Lots of people are eating nicely at the poor&#039;s tables.Those people are unemployable and it is not in their interest to have less poor people.What terrifies those people is a poor with a textbook.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have learned how to create more poor.This is an industry,lots of people are living nicely on the back of the poor.Lots of people are eating nicely at the poor&#8217;s tables.Those people are unemployable and it is not in their interest to have less poor people.What terrifies those people is a poor with a textbook.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry S.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Larry S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2014 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; Raising the minimum wage would increase jobs in the country and help 
alleviate poverty. This is because those who are poor tend to spend 
their entire paychecks rather than save them. SO if they had more money 
to spend, then although they would start saving more, they would also be
 putting more back into the economy.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s a very dubious proposition supported by only the most selective of supporting rationales.  You completely ignore the jobs that are indeed lost when the cost of providing whatever good or service those jobs created exceeds what the market is willing to pay for the good or service. You have a very static view of a  complex, dynamic, almost chaotic system that a modern economy represents. 

If your hypothesis is correct, why not increase the minimum wage to $60.00 per hour?  Then all the wonderful effects you cite would be even more powerful, generating even more prosperity.  Unfortunately, your hypothesis is simply empty rhetoric (a polite phrase for hot air).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Raising the minimum wage would increase jobs in the country and help<br />
alleviate poverty. This is because those who are poor tend to spend<br />
their entire paychecks rather than save them. SO if they had more money<br />
to spend, then although they would start saving more, they would also be<br />
 putting more back into the economy.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a very dubious proposition supported by only the most selective of supporting rationales.  You completely ignore the jobs that are indeed lost when the cost of providing whatever good or service those jobs created exceeds what the market is willing to pay for the good or service. You have a very static view of a  complex, dynamic, almost chaotic system that a modern economy represents. </p>
<p>If your hypothesis is correct, why not increase the minimum wage to $60.00 per hour?  Then all the wonderful effects you cite would be even more powerful, generating even more prosperity.  Unfortunately, your hypothesis is simply empty rhetoric (a polite phrase for hot air).</p>
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		<title>By: Schmitty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Schmitty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 22:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is a ban the box law?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is a ban the box law?</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey_Britain</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey_Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 20:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Here’s Williams’ roadmap out of poverty: Complete high school; get a job, any kind of a job (that may mean moving where the jobs are); get married before having children; and be a law-abiding citizen. Among both black and white Americans so described, the poverty rate is in the single digits.” Walter Williams]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Here’s Williams’ roadmap out of poverty: Complete high school; get a job, any kind of a job (that may mean moving where the jobs are); get married before having children; and be a law-abiding citizen. Among both black and white Americans so described, the poverty rate is in the single digits.” Walter Williams</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey_Britain</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey_Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 20:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your missive is proof positive that you either never took econ 101 or slept through the entire class. Educate yourself. 

&quot;Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.&quot; Abraham Lincoln]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your missive is proof positive that you either never took econ 101 or slept through the entire class. Educate yourself. </p>
<p>&#8220;Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.&#8221; Abraham Lincoln</p>
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		<title>By: bpuryea</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeez, where to start, how about at the beginning.

1. Poverty Rate - doesn&#039;t matter how you measure it for the simple reason that the vast majority who would be counted as living in poverty 10 years ago, have moved up the economic scale and are now solidly middle class, some of them are even millionaires.  The progressives have successfully defined this group of poverty stricken individuals as being constant, composed of the same hapless souls year in and year out.  The simple fact of the matter is that it is not constant.  Among those being counted as being poor ten years ago, a huge number of them were in their first jobs upon graduating from high school, college or a trade school.  Many more are counted as being poor as they are full time students who work part time jobs. etc.  Those who perform well are either promoted out of poverty or seek and gain employment with a company who values their time more than the company they work for now.  There is a problem with generational poverty, but it is a problem of choice not opportunity.
2. I too would end all subsidies to all industries from the federal government.  I would do this even if we weren&#039;t able to end the majority of welfare programs.  Problem is, the &quot;poor&quot; would be hit hardest by this end of subsidies and the libs would scream the loudest.  How much would gas cost at the pump without the federal subsidies?  How much would food cost without the subsidies?  Quite a bit more than they do now.  There is an undeniable and verified axiom that states:  If you want less of something, tax it or regulate it, if you want more of something, subsidize it.  We have effectively been subsidizing behavior that inflicts the outcome of &quot;being poor&quot;.  Many lift themselves out of this mindset, millions do not.
3.  $7.25 an hour jobs are, ready for it, &quot;Entry Level Jobs&quot;.  They are not intended to provide a livable income.  They are intended to provide experience so one can move up the pay scale.  A jog is worth exactly what someone, anyone, is willing to do it for.
4.  You just can&#039;t fix stupid.  Your entire analysis ignores half of the equation and the sad thing is I don&#039;t think you have a clue that the half you ignore even exists.  When you raise the minimum wage by government decree, you do not create more jobs, you create fewer jobs and you inflict the true minimum wage on a huge percentage of those in the work force at this minimum wage.  What is the true minimum wage achieved by government meddling in this arena - Zero dollars per hour!  What do you imagine a small business owner will do if his cost of employing an entry level worker goes from $7.25 and hour to $12.00 an hour. (Don&#039;t forget that&#039;s just the visible cost, the employer also has to cover an additional 6.5% of the incremental difference in SSI payments as well as some percentage increase for unemployment insurance and the medicare tax - the increase isn&#039;t just the $4.75 hourly differential, but a bit more than that)  By the way, the largest employer in the US are the millions of small business owners taken as a whole.
The small business owner has several choices when faced with the additional expense of something like $5.00 per hour as the employees who will receive it aren&#039;t magically going to provide an equivalent offset in productivity to cover the additional expense.  They can:
a. Take less income out of their businesses to cover the additional expense.  Like most Americans, these business owners have life styles that match their current income so this isn&#039;t likely to be their first choice although it will be forced on many of them as the other choices may not cover the entire difference)
b. Work more hours, why more hours you say?  To cover the hours of employees who they either laid off or who have had their hours cut.
c. Raise prices to the consumer.
The reality is that all of the above happens which leads to less workers in the work force, less take home pay for those left in the workforce, and more hours worked by the employer.  All of this REDUCES the amount of money available in the market place and INCREASES the unemployment rate. 
5. Who cares!  If you commit a crime and you leave jail with a bill due to those of us who suffered from your crime and then paid for your incarceration, YOU SHOULD PAY IT ALL BACK - WITH INTEREST!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, where to start, how about at the beginning.</p>
<p>1. Poverty Rate &#8211; doesn&#8217;t matter how you measure it for the simple reason that the vast majority who would be counted as living in poverty 10 years ago, have moved up the economic scale and are now solidly middle class, some of them are even millionaires.  The progressives have successfully defined this group of poverty stricken individuals as being constant, composed of the same hapless souls year in and year out.  The simple fact of the matter is that it is not constant.  Among those being counted as being poor ten years ago, a huge number of them were in their first jobs upon graduating from high school, college or a trade school.  Many more are counted as being poor as they are full time students who work part time jobs. etc.  Those who perform well are either promoted out of poverty or seek and gain employment with a company who values their time more than the company they work for now.  There is a problem with generational poverty, but it is a problem of choice not opportunity.<br />
2. I too would end all subsidies to all industries from the federal government.  I would do this even if we weren&#8217;t able to end the majority of welfare programs.  Problem is, the &#8220;poor&#8221; would be hit hardest by this end of subsidies and the libs would scream the loudest.  How much would gas cost at the pump without the federal subsidies?  How much would food cost without the subsidies?  Quite a bit more than they do now.  There is an undeniable and verified axiom that states:  If you want less of something, tax it or regulate it, if you want more of something, subsidize it.  We have effectively been subsidizing behavior that inflicts the outcome of &#8220;being poor&#8221;.  Many lift themselves out of this mindset, millions do not.<br />
3.  $7.25 an hour jobs are, ready for it, &#8220;Entry Level Jobs&#8221;.  They are not intended to provide a livable income.  They are intended to provide experience so one can move up the pay scale.  A jog is worth exactly what someone, anyone, is willing to do it for.<br />
4.  You just can&#8217;t fix stupid.  Your entire analysis ignores half of the equation and the sad thing is I don&#8217;t think you have a clue that the half you ignore even exists.  When you raise the minimum wage by government decree, you do not create more jobs, you create fewer jobs and you inflict the true minimum wage on a huge percentage of those in the work force at this minimum wage.  What is the true minimum wage achieved by government meddling in this arena &#8211; Zero dollars per hour!  What do you imagine a small business owner will do if his cost of employing an entry level worker goes from $7.25 and hour to $12.00 an hour. (Don&#8217;t forget that&#8217;s just the visible cost, the employer also has to cover an additional 6.5% of the incremental difference in SSI payments as well as some percentage increase for unemployment insurance and the medicare tax &#8211; the increase isn&#8217;t just the $4.75 hourly differential, but a bit more than that)  By the way, the largest employer in the US are the millions of small business owners taken as a whole.<br />
The small business owner has several choices when faced with the additional expense of something like $5.00 per hour as the employees who will receive it aren&#8217;t magically going to provide an equivalent offset in productivity to cover the additional expense.  They can:<br />
a. Take less income out of their businesses to cover the additional expense.  Like most Americans, these business owners have life styles that match their current income so this isn&#8217;t likely to be their first choice although it will be forced on many of them as the other choices may not cover the entire difference)<br />
b. Work more hours, why more hours you say?  To cover the hours of employees who they either laid off or who have had their hours cut.<br />
c. Raise prices to the consumer.<br />
The reality is that all of the above happens which leads to less workers in the work force, less take home pay for those left in the workforce, and more hours worked by the employer.  All of this REDUCES the amount of money available in the market place and INCREASES the unemployment rate.<br />
5. Who cares!  If you commit a crime and you leave jail with a bill due to those of us who suffered from your crime and then paid for your incarceration, YOU SHOULD PAY IT ALL BACK &#8211; WITH INTEREST!</p>
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		<title>By: tmrshll1</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 17:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. If the Us would measure poverty rates like the rest of the world, it would show more families in poverty rather than less because the US uses an absolute measure rather than a relative measure, in which you are considered in poverty if your income falls below 50% of the median income for the country. So in 2014, the absolute poverty rate of a family of four in the US is $23,850, and higher in Alaska and Hawaii. However if we use the relative measure, the poverty rate in the US would jump to $25,000, hence more families in poverty, not more in middle class.
2. The majority of families who are enrolled in federal aid programs are working, not freeloading as people like to paint them. I&#039;m all for cutting waste in spending at the federal levels, and so how about along with cutting aid to families who are working and receiving aid to barely survive, we also cut federal subsidies to cooperations who are moving jobs away from the US, not to it, are giving themselves bigger and bigger salaries and not creating the jobs that they said would happen with tax cuts for them. How can having programs that do relieve poverty be considered Socialism, while at the same time the government gives money to cooperations in the name of job creation (which it does not do) and THAT not be Socialism.  
3. These &quot;victims&quot; that are so often negatively portrayed in the media, whether you want to admit it or not, are still subjected to oppression at the hands of those in power. It&#039;s really hard to move up the social ladder if you can only get jobs that pay $7.25 an hour. 
4. Raising the minimum wage would increase jobs in the country and help alleviate poverty. This is because those who are poor tend to spend their entire paychecks rather than save them. SO if they had more money to spend, then although they would start saving more, they would also be putting more back into the economy. When that happens, then there would be an increase in demand for products, hence more job openings as companies would be forced to increase their supply into the market place, all this with relative minimum cost to the consumer. For example, if Wal-Mart increased its minimum wage to $12 an hour, the price increase would only be $12.50 per YEAR. Seems like a fair trade off to me. 
5. Inmate in several states are already charged room and board anywhere from $1 a day up to $142 a day. This combined with how much (or little i should say) they get paid means that they are in debt when they leave the system, and could be sent back to jail for not paying their debt. even those who can pay it off, they are still in Poverty when they return home, and cannot survive on minimum wage, like other Americans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. If the Us would measure poverty rates like the rest of the world, it would show more families in poverty rather than less because the US uses an absolute measure rather than a relative measure, in which you are considered in poverty if your income falls below 50% of the median income for the country. So in 2014, the absolute poverty rate of a family of four in the US is $23,850, and higher in Alaska and Hawaii. However if we use the relative measure, the poverty rate in the US would jump to $25,000, hence more families in poverty, not more in middle class.<br />
2. The majority of families who are enrolled in federal aid programs are working, not freeloading as people like to paint them. I&#8217;m all for cutting waste in spending at the federal levels, and so how about along with cutting aid to families who are working and receiving aid to barely survive, we also cut federal subsidies to cooperations who are moving jobs away from the US, not to it, are giving themselves bigger and bigger salaries and not creating the jobs that they said would happen with tax cuts for them. How can having programs that do relieve poverty be considered Socialism, while at the same time the government gives money to cooperations in the name of job creation (which it does not do) and THAT not be Socialism.<br />
3. These &#8220;victims&#8221; that are so often negatively portrayed in the media, whether you want to admit it or not, are still subjected to oppression at the hands of those in power. It&#8217;s really hard to move up the social ladder if you can only get jobs that pay $7.25 an hour.<br />
4. Raising the minimum wage would increase jobs in the country and help alleviate poverty. This is because those who are poor tend to spend their entire paychecks rather than save them. SO if they had more money to spend, then although they would start saving more, they would also be putting more back into the economy. When that happens, then there would be an increase in demand for products, hence more job openings as companies would be forced to increase their supply into the market place, all this with relative minimum cost to the consumer. For example, if Wal-Mart increased its minimum wage to $12 an hour, the price increase would only be $12.50 per YEAR. Seems like a fair trade off to me.<br />
5. Inmate in several states are already charged room and board anywhere from $1 a day up to $142 a day. This combined with how much (or little i should say) they get paid means that they are in debt when they leave the system, and could be sent back to jail for not paying their debt. even those who can pay it off, they are still in Poverty when they return home, and cannot survive on minimum wage, like other Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: CowboyUp</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 15:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &#039;war on poverty&#039; is unwinnable, has been counterproductive, and should be abandoned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;war on poverty&#8217; is unwinnable, has been counterproductive, and should be abandoned.</p>
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		<title>By: sprinklerman</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 14:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think 
the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, 
but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I 
observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made 
for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became 
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did 
for themselves, and became richer.&quot; - Ben Franklin, Relating to prices and the poor, 1766

This isn&#039;t rocket science and human behavior hasn&#039;t changed since Ben walked this earth.  When are we going to learn from the past?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think<br />
the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty,<br />
but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I<br />
observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made<br />
for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became<br />
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did<br />
for themselves, and became richer.&#8221; &#8211; Ben Franklin, Relating to prices and the poor, 1766</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t rocket science and human behavior hasn&#8217;t changed since Ben walked this earth.  When are we going to learn from the past?</p>
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		<title>By: Realist</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Realist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 13:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A really good read and so informative, but I have to admit I don&#039;t expect this type of rational thinking to win the day.

We have one of the core poisons of modern liberalism being injected into the societal DNA of Human Nature daily. The vast majority of people will do only as much as is necessary to have a minimum of material wealth and comfort weighed against the effort required to obtain that wealth and comfort. The short-circuiting of this normal (unmolested by government) cost to benefit ratio destroys the normal pricing mechanisms inherrent in any market, and as the market distortions grow from government interference the demands for more government interference to ameloriate the distortions grow even faster and louder, all of which leads to the exponential growth of market distortions and the inexorable failure of those markets.

The now archaic idea of &quot;poverty&quot; as a condition that has metrics that can be reliably measured so that the effectiveness of programs to address that poverty  can be measured have been rapidly flushed down the memory hole by libcultists. This is because the &quot;poor&quot; as a group do not vote in sufficient numbers to insure that lib politicians stay in power. Now the libcultists have introduced their latest carefully crafted deception and they call it &quot;inequality&quot;. This formulation seeks to conscript a much larger percentage of society as &quot;victims&quot; of invidious forces that have somehow &quot;stolen&quot; their fair share of success when it is really the massive market distortions created by libcult policies that are 99% to blame.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A really good read and so informative, but I have to admit I don&#8217;t expect this type of rational thinking to win the day.</p>
<p>We have one of the core poisons of modern liberalism being injected into the societal DNA of Human Nature daily. The vast majority of people will do only as much as is necessary to have a minimum of material wealth and comfort weighed against the effort required to obtain that wealth and comfort. The short-circuiting of this normal (unmolested by government) cost to benefit ratio destroys the normal pricing mechanisms inherrent in any market, and as the market distortions grow from government interference the demands for more government interference to ameloriate the distortions grow even faster and louder, all of which leads to the exponential growth of market distortions and the inexorable failure of those markets.</p>
<p>The now archaic idea of &#8220;poverty&#8221; as a condition that has metrics that can be reliably measured so that the effectiveness of programs to address that poverty  can be measured have been rapidly flushed down the memory hole by libcultists. This is because the &#8220;poor&#8221; as a group do not vote in sufficient numbers to insure that lib politicians stay in power. Now the libcultists have introduced their latest carefully crafted deception and they call it &#8220;inequality&#8221;. This formulation seeks to conscript a much larger percentage of society as &#8220;victims&#8221; of invidious forces that have somehow &#8220;stolen&#8221; their fair share of success when it is really the massive market distortions created by libcult policies that are 99% to blame.</p>
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		<title>By: Capt Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/bruce-thornton/winners-and-losers-in-the-war-on-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-5393782</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Capt Bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 13:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t forget the 62,000 (according to HUD) Homeless American Veterans that are cold and hungry on the streets of the US.  What happing to: &quot;Standing up for those that stood up for us.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget the 62,000 (according to HUD) Homeless American Veterans that are cold and hungry on the streets of the US.  What happing to: &#8220;Standing up for those that stood up for us.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 13:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The term “income inequality” is another expression for Socialism. It doesn&#039;t work, has never worked and will never work]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term “income inequality” is another expression for Socialism. It doesn&#8217;t work, has never worked and will never work</p>
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		<title>By: johnlac</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/bruce-thornton/winners-and-losers-in-the-war-on-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-5393747</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[johnlac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 10:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Johnson&#039;s WOP was a disaster for a number of reasons. But two big reasons are it (1) Took trillions of dollars away from the producers and gave them to the non-producers and (2) it created a permanent class of &quot;victims&quot; who were more than happy to wallow in their victimhood. Of course the Dems seek to make more and more victims the better to expand their voting base. It was all about power for the Dems. And it still is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnson&#8217;s WOP was a disaster for a number of reasons. But two big reasons are it (1) Took trillions of dollars away from the producers and gave them to the non-producers and (2) it created a permanent class of &#8220;victims&#8221; who were more than happy to wallow in their victimhood. Of course the Dems seek to make more and more victims the better to expand their voting base. It was all about power for the Dems. And it still is.</p>
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		<title>By: TheOrdinaryMan</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/bruce-thornton/winners-and-losers-in-the-war-on-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-5393745</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TheOrdinaryMan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 10:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If inmates&#039; wages are increased, shouldn&#039;t we charge them for room &amp; board?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If inmates&#8217; wages are increased, shouldn&#8217;t we charge them for room &amp; board?</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/bruce-thornton/winners-and-losers-in-the-war-on-poverty/comment-page-1/#comment-5393735</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 07:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[$100 an hour will eliminate poverty for sure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$100 an hour will eliminate poverty for sure.</p>
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