A Chance to Move On

Caroline Glick is the Director of the David Horowitz Freedom Center's Israel Security Project and the Senior Contributing Editor of The Jerusalem Post. For more information on Ms. Glick's work, visit carolineglick.com


Israeli+Prime+Minister+Weekly+Cabinet+Meeting+SOGLfBb73J6lOn Monday, former prime minister Ehud Olmert’s career ended.

Earlier this month, former IDF chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. (ret.) Gabi Ashkenazi’s career ended.

And on Tuesday, the phony peace process ended.

In the lead-up to last year’s elections, the media and key political figures were yearning for Olmert’s return to politics.

In July 2008, Olmert was forced to cede leadership of the Kadima party, and so opt out of running for reelection, when then-attorney-general Menahem Mazuz announced he was indicting the premier on corruption charges.

Olmert left office in March 2009 when his government was replaced by Binyamin Netanyahu’s coalition government.

The public abandoned its support for Olmert in the summer of 2006 as a result of his incompetent leadership of the Second Lebanon War. By the end of the summer, Olmert’s approval rating stood at 3 percent. But with the able assistance of the media, and of Yisrael Beytenu chairman Avigdor Liberman who saved Olmert’s government by joining it, Olmert was able to weather the storm and keep going despite the public’s lack of faith in his leadership and ardent desire to force him from office.

The media’s romance with Olmert began formally in late 2003, when he followed then-premier Ariel Sharon from the center-right to the far Left. Indeed, as Sharon abandoned his pledges to voters and adopted the platform of the defeated Labor Party of unilaterally withdrawing from Gaza, Olmert outflanked him from the Left.

Always a political pugilist, Olmert was eager to attack everyone who opposed Sharon’s withdrawal plan. He had no qualms about using rank demonization to attack his former political allies in the Likud.

It was Olmert’s newfound devotion to the platform of the far Left that won him the support of media heavies like Yediot Aharonot’s Nahum Barnea, Ma’ariv’s Ben Caspit and Channel 2’s Amnon Abramovich. They were more than happy to attack as delusional independent investigative reporter Yoav Yitzhak who broke nearly every corruption story regarding Olmert, beginning in 2005.

After four years of desultory, at best, probes between 2009 and 2012, Olmert was indicted in four separate cases on corruption charges. After he was acquitted of most of the charges in his first two trials, his media allies began a campaign to return him to politics. Only Olmert, they said, had a chance to defeat Netanyahu. None of the other leftist party heads had a shot.

But alas, Olmert was otherwise engaged, in his criminal defense. And now that he is a convicted felon, Olmert will never be able to return to politics.

Even his media friends have to cut their losses and find a new leader.

Several years ago, they were certain that they had their man. Lt.-Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi was promoted to the helm of the IDF following his predecessor Dan Halutz’s forced resignation due to his incompetent leadership of the army in the Second Lebanon War.

Ashkenazi was everything the media and the Left love in a leader. He was a general. He was handsome. And he was going to save the IDF from its demoralization. He was going to introduce new training regimens and operational procedures to ensure that the next time the IDF went to war, its victory would be inarguable.

Oh, and he was a leftist. Which meant that even if he failed, no one would ever find out.

And indeed, Ashkenazi’s leadership of the IDF during Operation Cast Lead in Gaza in December 2008 and January 2009 was a failure. As one senior commander put it shortly after the operation ended, “Gabi Ashkenazi marched the army into Gaza, and marched it out again, leaving Hamas in charge and Gilad Schalit behind.”

Officers who wished to take a more constructive approach to fighting, like OC Southern Command Maj.-Gen. Yoav Galant and Gaza Division commander Brig.-Gen. Moshe Tamir, were immediately placed on Ashkenazi’s enemies list.

Allegations of wrongdoing against Ashkenazi first surfaced three-and-a-half years ago. In August 2010, Abramovich exposed a document on Channel 2 which purported to show that Galant was waging a negative campaign against Ashkenazi and then-Maj.-Gen. Benny Gantz to replace Ashkenazi as chief of the General Staff.

Within a week the document was shown to be a forgery. It was concocted by an associate of Ashkenazi’s named Boaz Harpaz. It was leaked to Channel 2 by a senior Defense Ministry official, Gabi Shimoni, a close friend of Ashkenazi.

Rather than pursue the story, which stank to high heaven, the media ignored it. Attorney- General Yehuda Weinstein refused to order the police to investigate it. And to the extent that the police had information that indicated illegal behavior by Ashkenazi’s associates beyond the leak and the forgery specifically, they were ordered not to pursue them.

The only reason that the story of the forged document didn’t disappear is because state comptroller Micha Lindenstrauss investigated it, and Channel 1’s Ayala Hasson pursued it. And due to their efforts, the police were shamed into investigating.

Now it is apparent that the story of the forged document was part of a much larger abuse of power by Ashkenazi and his loyal foot soldiers.

Earlier this month, Ashkenazi’s closest aides Col. (res.) Erez Winer and former IDF spokesman Brig.-Gen. (res.) Avi Benayahu were arrested in connection to rising allegations of mass abuse of power. Since then, a parade of Ashkenazi’s close associates including current Deputy Chief of General Staff Maj.-Gen. Gadi Eisenkott and deputy director-general of the Defense Ministry Betzalel Tribor have been called in for questioning.

The widening probe paints a revolting picture of a mass abuse of power by Ashkenazi, facilitated by senior IDF officers and officials at the Defense Ministry and then covered up by senior officials at the Justice Ministry and the police, with the active collusion of the media.

Ashkenazi, it appears, was positioning himself to become the next prime minister. To this end, he allegedly decided to end the careers of IDF officers who criticized his leadership. And far more egregiously, he actively undermined then-defense minister Ehud Barak, and subverted Barak’s authority and that of the elected government in a bid to force Netanyahu and Barak to toe his timid line on Iran’s nuclear weapons program.

Although the police probe is only at its early stages, and it is far too early to know who if anyone will be indicted for what, as a result of the investigation Ashkenazi’s political aspirations have been destroyed. More important, the permanent bureaucracy, which enabled Ashkenazi to run roughshod over democratic norms in his quest to position himself as the prime minister in waiting, has been weakened.

Ashkenazi’s foot soldiers are all in trouble. And their troubles will likely deter other officers and senior officials from abusing their power in similar ways in the future.

Each new revelation of wrongdoing in the ongoing probe also discredits Ashkenazi’s protectors in the permanent law enforcement bureaucracy.

Olmert’s fall and Ashkenazi’s fall coincide with the implosion of the so-called peace process. For the past generation, allegiance to the phony peace process with the PLO has been the glue that has held the Left together. No matter how opposed to concessions the public became, the leftist establishment maintained its faith and total commitment to continued appeasement of the PLO. In large part they did so because allegiance to the peace process earned them the support and legitimization of the US.

In the absence of any capacity to win the public’s support for continued concessions to the PLO, the Left has used its close ties to the US as a shield from criticism and as valuable leverage against the government. Only the Left, it was said, could protect Israel’s alliance with the US.

Back in January, Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon let the truth be known about the nature of Secretary of State John Kerry’s peace process.

In private remarks reported by Yediot, Ya’alon said, “There are no actual negotiations with the Palestinians. The Americans are holding negotiations with us and in parallel with the Palestinians.

So far, we are the only side to have given anything – the release of murderers – and the Palestinians have given nothing.”

This week, Kerry proved that Ya’alon’s statement was a gross understatement. The US is not acting as a go-between between the sides. It is acting as the PLO’s proxy.

By offering Israel to trade imprisoned Israeli agent Jonathan Pollard for Palestinian terrorist murderers, Kerry transformed the US from the leader in the war against terrorism, into the champion of terrorists. Moreover, he indicated that he views Pollard as a hostage that the US is free to use to extort concessions to terrorists from Israel.

As a result of Kerry’s scandalous behavior, the US media, which for 20 years have enthusiastically supported every US effort to force Israel to make concessions to the PLO, lost their stomach for the show. Everyone from The New York Times to The Washington Post to The Wall Street Journal and network news attacked Kerry for his actions.

To a degree, the US media’s castigation of Kerry was unfair. He only followed the two-state model to its logical conclusion. Since the Palestinians refuse to abandon their goal of destroying Israel, they will never agree to a peace deal with Israel that will require them to live at peace with the Jewish state. As a result, they will never make any concessions to Israel.

The only way to keep this fraudulent negotiating process going is for the US to both coerce Israel into making more and more one-sided concessions to the PLO, such as freeing terrorist murderers form prison, and providing Israel with US payoffs to make the government continue to abide by a fiction. In other words, Kerry had no option other than to offer up Pollard as a hostage to be swapped in exchange for freedom to Palestinian terrorists.

Transforming the US into the proxy of a terrorist organization was just the beginning of Kerry’s failure.

His desperate behavior showed PLO chief Mahmoud Abbas that there are no depths Kerry will not plumb to prolong the fictional peace process.

And so on Tuesday, in an open act of contempt for Kerry, Abbas applied for membership in international bodies, in breach of the foundational requirement of the peace process: that a Palestinian state only be formed as a consequence of a peace agreement with Israel to prevent such a state from gaining independence while in a state of war with Israel.

Until now, it was US pressure on Israel for concessions to the Palestinians that kept the Israeli Left going. Now, without any leadership, with its power base in the permanent bureaucracy weakened, and the US role as mediator wholly discredited not only among the Israeli public, but in the US media, the Left has nothing to latch on to.

If the government uses the opportunity to abandon the two-state paradigm, it stands its best chance in 20 years of succeeding.

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  • Texas Patriot

    Sounds like quite a bit of progress is being made to me. Perhaps it’s time for the Israelis to start asserting their sovereign regional interests just as the Russians are asserting their sovereign regional interests in the Ukraine, and then to let the screaming banshees of the United Nations scream and wail to their hearts content, just as the Russians are letting them scream and wail. Then all that would be left to do is for our very own all-American, Barack Obama, to let his trusty sidekick Chuck Hagel send the newly modernized American Eagle to swoop in and defang the Iranian mullahs by destroying their nuclear weapons complex, and the world would immediately be a better place all around.

    • TheOrdinaryMan

      Your comment above shows that you are just as delusional as the Israeli leftists. “The all that would be left to do is for our very own All-American(Obama? All-American?), Barack Obama, to let his trusty(?) sidekick Chuck Hagel send the…to swoop in and defang the Iranian mullahs by destroying their nuclear weapons complex….” Do you think this has a chance of happening, or is this your idea of a joke?

      • Texas Patriot

        We’ll see if it is a joke or not, and we’ll see who is delusional. My guess is that the Iranians view the world in much the same way as you do, which is just fine with me, and probably just fine with Obama. But just in case you have forgotten or were totally unaware of it in the first place, Barack was raised in Oahu by his grandfather, who fought with Patton in WWII, and his grandmother, who was a “Rosie the Riveter” type in a WWII bomber factory. Most people have underestimated their formative influence in his life, as you obviously do and the Iranians probably do. ;-)

        • TheOrdinaryMan

          Get yourself some professional help. You obviously need it.

          • Texas Patriot

            I thought only Leftists resorted to personal attacks. Perhaps you need to look in the mirror! ;-)

          • TheOrdinaryMan

            “My guess is that the Iranians view the world in much the same way as you do.” That’s personal, whether you know it or not, Mr. Texas Leftist. Besides, none of what you say about Obama’s background is true.

          • Texas Patriot

            TOM: That’s personal, whether you know it or not, Mr. Texas Leftist. Besides, none of what you say about Obama’s background is true.

            Everything I’ve said about Barack Obama is true. The only thing that remains to be seen is whether he pulls the trigger on the Iranian nuclear weapons complex, and at this point that’s a matter of speculation.

            Perhaps you should check your own facts about Obama’s background. Or is the necessity of doing the necessary research to determine whether something is true, or not, a practice that doesn’t fit within your personal view of the world? The fact that Obama’s grandfather fought with General George Patton in WWII is undisputed. If you have evidence to the contrary, produce it. The fact that Obama’s grandmother worked in an aircraft factory building bombers is also undisputed. If you have evidence to the contrary, produce it. The fact that Obama ended up in Hawaii and was raised by his grandparents is also undisputed. If you have any evidence of any kind that would call into question any of these things, produce it, or admit that you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about.

            Here’s a clue, Mr. Ordinary Man. Leftists deal in lies, and they never both to check their facts. Conservatives are very careful to deal in nothing truth, and if the truth as they understand it turns out to be false, they change their worldview to reflect it. The truth is being on the side of truth is a lot of hard work and a constant battle, and it is the hallmark of a conservative that they always choose that burden and pay that price, however difficult that may be and whatever the price is that they must pay.

            Sorry, Mr. Ordinary Man, but if you’re not willing to do the necessary research, if you’re not willing to let go of lies and deal only with the truth, that would make you the Leftist in this equation, and not me. Whether you choose to deal in truth or lies is your decision, but don’t fool yourself. If you choose to deal in lies rather than doing the necessary research and adhering to the truth in all things, you are anything but a conservative.

          • Gee

            Odumba is done everything in his power to support Iran and their quest for WMDs. He has already stated numerous times that he will do nothing at all

          • Texas Patriot

            Gee: He has already stated numerous times that he will do nothing at all.

            You must have a very limited and unreliable source of news. The only thing I’ve heard him say on the subject is that Iran will not be allowed to obtain nuclear weapons, and Vice President Biden has confirmed that Obama is not bluffing about that.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4HqDWzPDwE

          • TheOrdinaryMan

            OK, fine. I’m not afraid of the truth. YOU made the assertions about Obama’s background. YOU prove them.

          • Texas Patriot

            TOM: OK, fine. I’m not afraid of the truth. YOU made the assertions about Obama’s background. YOU prove them.

            I thought all that was common knowledge and undisputed, but sure. Here’s a picture of Obama’s grandparents.

            http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/11/02/66/2370971/7/628×471.jpg

            http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Obama-s-grandfather-s-war-service-revealed-3228354.php#page-1

            In February 1945, at Saint-Dizier, Dunham’s unit was assigned to Patton’s 3rd Army, and Dunham remained in that company until early April. Prior to February, Dunham’s unit had supported 1st Army operations.

            Madelyn, the beloved grandmother known as “Toot” who helped raise the future president, did her part for the war effort, working the night shift as a supervisor on the B-29 bomber assembly line at the Boeing plant.

            Here’s a picture of Obama when he was on the Punahou High School basketball team in Oahu.

            http://basketball.wikia.com/wiki/Barack_Obama

            http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111016030352/nba/images/thumb/4/4d/Punahou_BarackObama.jpg/300px-Punahou_BarackObama.jpg

            He plays basketball, a sport he participated in as a member of his high school’s varsity team.

            Punhahou is the school Obama attended while he was living with his grandparents in Hawaii. It is the best and most prestigious school in the state.

          • TheOrdinaryMan

            I won’t answer until you tell us who “TOM” is.

          • Texas Patriot

            TOM is an acronym for The Ordinary Man, i.e. you.

          • TheOrdinaryMan

            I understood that Obama spent a few years in Hawaii, as a teen-ager; and its good that his maternal grandparents were patriotic. I also understood that Obama went to an exclusive school–but so what? Did that help him carry out his sworn duty to “preserve, protect, and defend the US Constitution?” Apparently not. And apparently, the patriotism of the Dunhams didn’t rub off on their daughter; as she became a member of an Indonesian Muslim cult, and the mistress of a well-known Communist, who grew to hate the country that her father fought for. Also,(quite unlike a true conservative), you’ve only told us half the story. Who was Obama’s father? Answer that one, if you can.

          • Texas Patriot

            Perhaps you have forgotten what the purpose of this exercise is. Let me remind you.

            TOM: Besides, none of what you say about Obama’s background is true.

            That statement is absolutely false, and you know it. Or at least you should know it, that is unless your preference for lies and character assassination (a very strong Leftist trait) makes it impossible for you to recognize truth when it is plainly presented to you.

            So I hope for the sake of Obama’s parents and grandparents, and every red-blooded American soldier who has ever died for the sake of the ideals of the United States of America, that Obama blows the Iranian nuclear weapons complex completely out of the ground and absolutely astonishes and confounds his critics and detractors, especially the mullahs of the Iranian Revolutionary Party of Iran and YOU.

            And if he does that, Mr. Ordinary Man, I hope you have the courage to admit you were dead wrong about Barack Obama.

          • 1Indioviejo1

            The grandparents were Communist. WW II was a “patriotict” War for the American Communist because Hitler attacked Stalin.

          • 1Indioviejo1

            The Grandparents were Communist.

          • Texas Patriot

            1Indioviejo1: The Grandparents were Communist.

            I’ve seen no evidence whatsoever that Stanley and Madelyn Dunham were Communist, and quite a bit to the contrary.

        • reader

          Just because his grandfather was enlisted during WWII did not preclude him from being a Communist – just like it did not preclude Howard Zinn from being one. Obama was also raised by Frank Marshall Davis – also a Communist. His two closest advisors – Axelrod and Jarrett come from Communist families. Do the math.

          • Texas Patriot

            reader: Do the math.

            I just hope the Iranian mullahs are as gullible as many of you seem to be. Obama’s grandmother was a Vice President of the Bank of Hawaii and one of the first women to break into American banking industry at the executive level. And not only that, because she was white she suffered racial discrimiation in the largely non-white community of Hawaii. Doesn’t sound like much of a communist to me.

            http://womensissues.about.com/od/influentialwomen/p/MadelynDunham.htm

            But then again, the Iranian mullahs probably don’t think Obama has the right stuff to blow their nuclear weapons complex out of the ground either.

          • reader

            What on earth one has to do with another? George Wallace broke into being a Vice President of the United States being – at the very least – a Communist sympathizer. Did you ever google the term non sequitor? Comes handy with the term self-delusion, I might add.

          • Texas Patriot

            reader: Did you ever google the term non sequitor? Comes handy with the term self-delusion, I might add.

            Alright. I’m willing to examine your evidence that Stanley and Madelyn Dunham were Communists. Let’s see it. Then we’ll talk about who might be engaging in self-delusion. Fair enough?

          • reader

            I did not say anything about Madelyn. I mentioned Stanley and Frank Marshall, as well as Axelrod and Jarrett lineage – which is even more important to come full circle:

            http://www.amazon.com/The-Communist-Paul-Kengor/dp/1451698097

          • Texas Patriot

            reader: I did not say anything about Madelyn. I mentioned Stanley and Frank Marshall, as well as Axelrod and Jarrett lineage – which is even more important to come full circle…

            At this point, I don’t doubt that the ideology of Communism and Marxism are deeply embedded in the mindset of Western Civilization, and we can see strong evidence of that in both political parties in America today. But what I asked you to do is to produce any evidence you may have to substantiate the claim that Stanley or Madelyn Durham were Communist.

            I’m assuming that you are now conceding that Madelyn Durham was not a Communist, correct? Otherwise, the book you cite seems to be about Frank Marshall and not Stanley Durham. Where is your evidence that Stanley Durham was a Communist? Do you have any? Or do you suppose that your evidence about Frank Marshall and other members of the Democratic Left somehow convicts both Stanley Durham and Barack Obama?

            From my perspective, your apparent desire to tarnish the reputation of a man who served under the command General George Patton in WWII is loathsome and despicable. And if you don’t have any evidence that Stanley Durham was a Communist, you probably owe him, and all of the rest of the people in the world who prefer truth to lies, an apology. Or is apologizing for falsely slandering the reputation of a deceased American soldier something that your worldview does not permit?

          • reader

            I just provided a link to the book containing research about Obama’s communist upbringing. What a load of Orwellian outrage. Am I supposed to apologize for calling Howard Zinn – who flew missions in Europe – a communist, or I am allowed to do so. “cause, you know, he was a commie. There were quite a few deceased American soldiers who had views incompatible with those of American founding, “patriot.” Your outrage would be much better utilized if you were concerned with the fact that Obama and his side kick Harry Reed cut vets pensions.

    • Anukem Jihadi

      Ha ha very funny except that the world would be a much better place without Iranian nuke factories spinning uranium for future terrorist bombs. Don’t you agree Mr. Patriot?
      Perhaps you agree but you’d prefer a more nuanced solution to the problem?
      That’s what we have in negotiations isn’t it?
      Pity for you then that what is really being negotiated is only how nuanced the US and EU’s tacit acceptance of Iran’s nuclear capabilities will be.
      Anyway Israel is not mobilizing its military to influence the outcome of elections like Putin so your comparison is meaningless from a democratic perspective( but then democracy is meaningless to most Islamic patriots )

      • Texas Patriot

        I think you all will be very surprised when Obama blows the Iranian nuclear weapons complex completely out of the ground, but no one will be more surprised than the Iranian mullahs. One night it will be there. The next morning it will be gone. What is surprising to me is that the Iranian mullahs seem to be even more confident than you are that it will never happen. Perhaps one good whack with some specially designed tactical nuclear bunker-busters will wake everyone up. But then again, maybe not. Some people seem to be in such a deep sleep and so very resigned to defeatist futility that nothing will wake them up or change the way they think. Instead they spending their time making up funny names for themselves and the president, like little children.

        • Anukem Jihadi

          Yes I see now.
          Obama is really our secret weapon and just when the mullahs think they have him where they want him he will launch operation American Eagle and destroy all their Nuclear facilities – showing up all the nasty name callers and saving the world at the same time.

          And they all lived happily ever after

          • Texas Patriot

            There has never been an American president who wouldn’t have done the same thing in similar circumstances.

          • Gee

            You never had a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood in the White House before either

          • Texas Patriot

            Thomas Jefferson was a huge fan of Islam until he was told by the ambassador of Tripoli that Muslims had a god given right to attack American ships and enslave American sailors. Obama had a similar moment on September 11, 2012 when the Muslim rebels he had assisted in modern day Tripoli turned on America and assassinated our diplomats to the accompaniment of worldwide Muslim demonstrations and chants of “Obama, Obama, We’re All Osama.”

          • reader

            “Obama had a similar moment on September 11, 2012 when the Muslim rebels he had assisted in modern day Tripoli turned on America and assassinated our diplomats”

            Now that’s interesting, cause Obama still refuses to describe what exactly he was doing during the attack on Benghazi annex. Did I mention that it was the Benghazi annex, and not where the Embassador Stevens supposed to be, i.e., Tripoli, actually? But, since you KNOW that Obama had similar moment, I assume that you were by his side. Why don’t you tell us all about it?

        • ahad_ha_amoratsim

          It would sure surprise me.

    • 1Indioviejo1

      Barack Obama is an All-American Marxist. Just as his Mom, Dad, Grandparents, his mentor Frank Marshall Davis, and his friends and associates.

  • Jeff Ludwig

    Great article. The Israeli left has the same delusional mindset with regards to their own country as the left in the U.S. and worldwide has about Israel. Just read Jamie Glazov’s book United in Hate.

    • Ken Kelso

      Your Correct

    • Edward E

      Nobody says “let’s import MILLIONS of non-Blacks into EVERY & ONLY
      Black countries until Blacks become a minority, FORCE
      integrate/assimilate them into EVERY black community to create a
      “blended humanity”, give them Affirmative Action & free health care
      and push miscegenation 24/7 via movies/t.v shows & media(only in
      black countries)”

      THEN, when the Blacks object we will tell them “don’t worry you RACIST, no-one is forcing you to marry non-Blacks”

      Anti-racist is a >code< for anti-White

      • Jeff Ludwig

        ????

  • The Guardian

    It’s long past the time for Israel to grow a spine and reject the EU and Obama’s “diplomacy of destruction”. No one will ever respect Israel until Israel begins to respect itself and says “enough.”

  • SoCalMike

    Caroline usually hits the bull’s eye and she may have here but I fear she may be premature in pronouncing the fraudulently named Peace Process dead since the leftist dirtbags in the American media are inveterate Jew haters, absolutely despise the state of Israel and will never give up carrying the mantle of hope for the Palestinians and Muslim Arabs desire to finish what Hitler started.
    Same with the US State Dept.
    Bed bugs are bed bugs and leftist scum are leftist scum.
    They don’t usually give up. They just change their name or methods.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    “…to prevent such a state from gaining independence while in a state of war with Israel.”

    http://darrengarnick.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/obamaneumanx1.jpg

    War? What war?

  • http://geoffreybritain.wordpress.com/ Geoffrey_Britain

    While temporarily useful, undue focus upon the left’s leadership is a strategic mistake. Leaders cannot ‘lead’ where others refuse to follow. And demagogic leaders merely volunteer to go, where the mob desires….

  • reader

    I don’t understand why is it not nice to call Communist a Communist. Neither I understand why you insist on the fact that he wasn’t, just because he was serving under Patton. I wonder if Zinn (who I believe to have been a card carrying Communist) thought that, even though he was a proud member of the Communist Party, it was not nice to call him that. Is it ok with you if I call Khruschev a Communist? You are utterly delusional. And what’s it have to do with Putin and his vews on economics, for crying out?

    • Texas Patriot

      reader: Neither [do?] I understand why you insist on the fact that he wasn’t, just because he was serving under Patton.

      You have offered no proof whatsoever that Stanly Durham was a Communist, yet you do not think there is anything wrong with calling him a Communist even if it is not actually true. Unfortunately, this is where you and I must part company.

      The deliberate use of lies and half-truths for purposes of character assassination and gaining political advantage has been the hallmark of Communists, Leninists, Stalinists, Bolsheviks, Leftists and Socialists from the very beginning, and I want no part of it.

      Stanley Durham was an All-American hero because he served with General George Patton in one of the greatest political and ideological struggles of all time, and he is no longer here to defend himself. As such, he deserves the presumption of innocence. Unfortunately, the fact that you are not concerned with whether your charges against him are true or not is more than enough for me to distance myself from you.

      • reader

        I DID offer you information that you never intend to even acknowledge. Instead, you – as all religious marxists do – got stuck on a non-sequitor like a broken record. Nobody on the left challenged Kengor’s research. Instead, it’s being completely ignored, as the marxists left ALWAYS does, when they cannot challenge the facts. When they do – even based on a slightest inaccuracy – they ruthlessly bury the source, no matter how insignificant to the matter the discrepancy is. Laura Logan is a perfect example of that. I mentioned four Communists closest to Obama. FOUR. No matter. You wasted space and time on your “he served with General George Patton” mantra. Pathetic. And why would you as a marxist believing that marxism is instrumental for Western civilization complain about being demeaned by being called one? Reeks of schizophrenia, or worse – perhaps, deep down, you understand the depth of evil and immorality this ideology brings?

        • Texas Patriot

          reader: I DID offer you information that you never intend to even acknowledge.

          I’m astonished and amazed that you would accept such a low standard of evidence for purposes of posthumously tarnishing the reputation of an American war hero. Unfortunately, it’s one of the anomalies in our law at this time that anyone can say anything about a dead man without any fear of being sued for libel or slander. And of course the bookstores are full of posthumous biographies slandering famous men and women who are no longer able to defend themselves.

          From my standpoint, “rank hearsay” from an unauthorized posthumous biography without any corroborating direct evidence of what a man actually said or actually did is not a sufficient basis to associate a man with a despised and discredited ideological dogma, and the fact that you are so ready to do so in the case of Stanley Durham is quite surprising to me. Perhaps the sacrifices of American soldiers in liberating Europe from the scourge of Naziism don’t mean as much to you as they do to me.

          The truth is that Stanley Durham was an American hero who served with General George Patton in WWII, and unless you can present some direct and independently verifiable evidence of what Stanley Durham actually said or actually did, I want nothing more to do with you.

          • reader

            Wow. Broken record. First of all, the point is that Obama is raised by communists – not about Stanley Dunham’s heroism or the lack thereof. Missed clear and deflected.
            Secondly, you’re claim that the book is based on heresay, but you don’t offer any substance to back it up. I have a hunch that you never actually touched it. You’re projecting.
            And, to top it off, you’re personally attacking me – and the author I referred to – for making the point that I’m making. Read too much of Saul Alinsky? Or it comes to you naturally – perhaps, from your parents’ kitchen talk?

          • Texas Patriot

            reader: Secondly, you’re claim that the book is based on heresay [sic], but you don’t offer any substance to back it up. I have a hunch that you never actually touched it.

            You’re right. I wouldn’t touch it with a ten foot pole. Unfortunately, posthumous biographies attributing one or more unflattering or unfavorable characteristics to deceased individuals are a dime a dozen, and do not constitute sufficient evidence for tarnishing the reputation of a legitimate American War Hero. Have a nice day.

          • reader

            Actually, the book is mostly about Frank Marshall Davis – another hero in Obama’s life. There are a couple of heros in the White House too – Axelrod and Jarrett. And let’s not forget a hero Van Jones, who has been moved to relative sidelines. Are you having a nice day, an American hero who hails American heros endlessly working to erode the essence of the American founding?

          • Texas Patriot

            reader: Are you having a nice day, an American hero who hails American heros [sic] endlessly working to erode the essence of the American founding?

            America was founded on the underlying idea that objective and verifiable truth should govern the affairs of mankind. Unfortunately, that appears to be something that you know very little or nothing about.

          • reader

            Don’t tell me you did not even read the Declaration of Independance. For if you did you’d know that it’s utterly incompatible with Marx’s Manifesto.

          • Texas Patriot

            Apparently you’re the one who needs to look up non sequitur.

          • reader

            I believe that the Declaration of Independence has something to do with American founding, and, according to your incoherent statement, it has something to do with the governing of the affairs of mankind. You’re making my case.

          • Texas Patriot

            We’re so far from being on anywhere near the same wave length it’s just ridiculous. Some people probably should just avoid each other, and that’s the way I see it between us. Toodle-loo.

          • reader

            I think you should avoid this country altogether. Go ask Soros if he can utilize your ideas on how to govern affairs of mankind somewhere else. “Texas patriot.” Really? More like a marxist rabble rouser – like the one in the White House at present.

          • Texas Patriot

            reader: I think you should avoid this country altogether. Go ask Soros if he can utilize your ideas on how to govern affairs of mankind somewhere else.
            “Texas patriot.” Really? More like a marxist rabble rouser – like the one in the White House at present.

            Thanks for the feedback. It’s been highly illuminating and entertaining. Best wishes in your personal journey— whatever it is!

      • Jeff Ludwig

        Howard Zinn also served the USA in the military. Further, the USA and the USSR were allies in WWII. Politics and war make strange bedfellows. The point is that fighting against the enemy in WWII does not prove that one was not a communist. The applicable logic is just the reverse of how you are portraying it my friend. You seem like a well-intentioned individual to me, but it seems you are holding onto a deep desire to see our leaders as the good guys despite serious information to the contrary. Sadly, I believe this is one of those “contrary” cases.

    • Jeff Ludwig

      He was a communist. He self-identified as a communist. Please see my comment above. I know it as a fact…firsthand.

  • Jeff Ludwig

    Howard Zinn identified himself numerous times as a Communist. I heard him say it when at an anti-Vietnam War demonstration in the 1960′s. It isn’t just arbitrary name calling as you suggest. He was a self-identified card carrying communist.

    • Texas Patriot

      I don’t doubt that Howard Zinn was a Communist, but I still haven’t seen any direct evidence that Stanley Durham was. It’s all a crock of politically-inspired garbage designed to slander a dead American soldier because his son happens to be a political adversary. Absolutely despicable.

      • Jeff Ludwig

        Franklin Marshall Davis was left wing. Obama’s mother was left wing. How did she get to be left wing? Who introduced Obama to Franklin Marshall Davis? Obama’s father from Kenya was left wing. Why did his mother conjugate the verb with him? Please Mr. T. Patriot, open up the gates, even open up the everlasting doors and the king of glory will come in!!