Ending Abbas’s Winning Streak

Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas holds aMahmoud Abbas must be great at cards.

The PLO chief has no real assets to speak of.

He’s physically unattractive. He has zero charisma. He’s old.

And no matter how hard he tries, Abbas can’t do much of anything to dampen public support for Hamas or raise public support for himself. By many accounts, if elections are ever held, Hamas would win them in a walk.

As for money, beyond the PLO’s slush fund, all Abbas has is what outsiders give him. He is completely dependent on the Americans, the Israelis, the Europeans and the Gulf states. Without them, he would have nothing to buy people’s loyalty with.

If the money ever stops coming in, he’ll go broke and lose power immediately.

Militarily, if Israel ever stops lending military support to Abbas’s forces, it will be a matter of weeks, or perhaps days, before Abbas will be forced to surrender to Hamas.

And yet today Abbas is sitting pretty on the top of the volcano that is Arab politics, dictating terms for people with real power while playing mind-boggling radical politics.

And he’s winning big.

This has been a great year for Abbas. In exchange for agreeing to humor the Obama administration with “negotiations” consisting of rejecting pro-Palestinian American peace proposals while refusing face-to-face contact with Israel for nine months, he got the Americans to force Israel to release several dozen terrorist murderers from prison.

He then abandoned the negotiations and effectively ended the peace process when he signed onto 15 international agreements as “the president of Palestine,” seeking to gain international recognition for a Palestinian state that is in a de facto state of war with Israel.

From there he went on secure his own power at the helm of Palestinian politics by signing the unity deal with Hamas.

It’s a win-win deal for Abbas and the genocidal jihadist group.

The deal frees Hamas from the financial burden of governing Gaza. The slack will be made up by the PA’s US, European and Israeli-financed budget. Hamas will be able to go back to using all of its own funds to run its 20,000-man army and expand its already massive arsenal of missiles.

Just as important, it will be able to rebuild its military and political infrastructures in Judea and Samaria.

Moreover, as a partner in the government, Hamas will have veto power over many of the Palestinian Authority’s governing decisions, so there will be no negotiations, no recognition, no cessation of terror assaults and no peace with Israel with this Palestinian government. Then again, none of these things was forthcoming with Abbas at the helm at any time.

As for Abbas, by signing the deal, he gets to deploy a ceremonial force to Gaza that will enable him to tell willfully credulous Americans that he is now in charge of Gaza, so they should feel comfortable giving him more taxpayer funds.

Abbas’s unity deal with Hamas renders the entire Palestinian Authority a terrorist organization. Modeled on Hezbollah’s deal with the Lebanese political leadership, the unity agreement formalizes the PLO’s role as Hamas’s protector and defender on the international scene. And it enables Hamas, as a member of the PA, to receive open assistance of every kind for its terrorist operations in Gaza and Judea and Samaria alike.

Since unlike Fatah, Hamas is recognized as a terrorist organization by Israel, the US, the EU, the unity deal makes it unlawful for any of them to continue to cooperate with, let alone support, the PA in any way.

But that doesn’t seem to matter.

The US and the EU raced to see which one would recognize the new government first, while pledging to continue funding the PA to the tune of nearly $2 billion per year.

In Israel, the Left, led by Justice Minister Tzipi Livni, insists that Israel mustn’t cut off the PA, for doing so would end the peace process, which of course would be a disaster.

As for Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and the rest of his government, their non-rhetorical responses have been anemic.

So far the only financial steps the government has taken to curtail funding to the PA involves using some of the tax revenues Israel transmits to the PA to pay off some of the massive debt the Palestinians owe the Israel Electric Corporation. But Israel still turns over the remaining tax revenues to the PA. Israel remains the PA’s financial lifeline.

And this brings us back to Abbas.

Abbas is a successful politician because he knows what he wants and he is able to make the most of the cards he’s been dealt.

Abbas knows that his American, European and Israeli supporters are convinced they can’t make it without him. They don’t care that he is a radical. They will believe any lie – no matter how flimsy – to keep up the game of proclaiming him a moderate and a man of peace.

Abbas was certain that the same US, EU and Israeli Left that supported him through his demand to free terrorists, and to abrogate the property rights of Jews, the same forces that uphold him despite his rejection of Israel’s right to exist, his material breaches of the agreements he personally signed, and his general bad faith, would support his decision to join forces with Hamas.

The Israeli Left’s support for Abbas makes sense. Without Abbas it has no reason to exist. Without the myth that Israel has a Palestinian partner in peace, no one would give the likes of Livni the time of day. So she clings to him.

As for Netanyahu and his allies, their paralysis isn’t rooted in dependence on Abbas. They, like Israel would be far better off without him.

They are paralyzed by their fear of President Barack Obama.

Netanyahu and his colleagues know that like Abbas, the Obama administration has no problem with Hamas. Obama was courting Hamas through his then-campaign adviser Robert Malley as early as the 2008 presidential election. Malley is now a senior director on Obama’s National Security Council. And according to media reports in the US, Obama’s representatives have been holding talks with Hamas for the past six months.

In her statement on the new Fatah-Hamas government, State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki didn’t even pretend that the administration has a problem supporting the terror tag team. Psaki said that since Hamas terrorists are not serving as ministers in the “technocratic” government that serves at their pleasure, the US will continue funding it.

This leaves us with the US Congress.

Congress may cut off funding to the PA despite Israeli cowardice. Certainly, initial responses from Republican and Democratic leaders alike have signaled that US lawmakers intend to abide by the laws that they passed and end all US financing of the PA terror government.

But it is still early in the game.

Congress understands that voting to cut off aid to the PA places its members on a collision course with the administration.

That’s fine for Republicans. But for Democrats, choosing the law over Obama may be a bridge too far. Past attempts have all failed.

And this brings us back to our frightened leaders.

All of Abbas’s great accomplishments over the past year have harmed Israel. Israel is more isolated today than it has ever been.

And this isolation redounds in large part to Abbas’s ability to exploit the US’s addiction to him. His success not only in forming the government with Hamas, but in securing US and EU support for it, is the worst blow so far. Israel now finds itself weaker diplomatically not only than Abbas, but than a genocidal terrorist group run by Iran.

This simply cannot continue.

The fact is that Israel has gotten nothing from playing along with American coddling of Abbas. It receives less support from Obama every day. And its willingness to go along to get along has demoralized and angered the Republicans who oppose what Obama is doing. It has given cover to Democrats who are loath to oppose the White House.

The time has come for Israel to stop playing this game, where the PLO gets to materially breach its agreements and so render them effectively null and void, while Israel, the sucker, keeps upholding them.

The time has come for Israel to stop collecting tax revenues for the PA. All of the money Israel collects and transfers to the PA is now serving Hamas directly.

And it isn’t enough to keep collecting, but stop transferring the revenues. The monies always end up being transferred eventually.

The only way to end this is by actually ceasing to serve as the PA’s taxman.

Obama won’t like it. But what’s he going to do? Facilitate Iran’s nuclear weapons program? Blame Israel for Palestinian aggression against it? Recognize and fund Hamas? The only way to get off this train is to get off. And disembarking is also the only way to impact US behavior. No single act by Israel will do more to empower the US Congress to stop funding the Palestinians than that.

And once that happens, a virtuous circle is formed, where at a minimum, Abbas’s winning streak will end.

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  • David

    There is no way netanyahu has the guts to do that. He has folded over and over again. Here’s the thing, I don’t think he is actually right wing. I think he believes in free market economics but it seems to me that he genuinely believes in the two-state solution and in eventually withdrawing from Judea, even without an agreement if needs be. He has just folded on too many things: the apology to Turkey, releasing convicted murderers, the anti-foreign funding for hostile NGOs bill, settlement freezes, and now this new telecom law that makes it harder for non-leftwing media. I think he’s a sheep in wolf’s clothing.

    • Americana

      PM Netanyahu has the obligation to pursue the two-state solution as does every other Israeli politician who is elevated to the highest position in Israeli politics as long as they claim such to their negotiating partner, the United States. If there’s been a unilateral decision by Israelis not to pursue the two-state solution, they should make an announcement to that effect and then let’s see whose aid is cut off and for what reasons. But to pretend to be attempting to achieve a two-state solution while doing everything they can to prevent its achievement is simply being a card shark w/the worst tell in the world. Caroline Glick is desperately selling the wisdom of the inherent “international security” of israel taking over Judea and Samaria. She’s all for the unilateral reinstatement of the Balfour Agreement despite the militant opposition of the Palestinians and despite decades of intransigence from the Israelis. This pretense that simply by pretending those indigenous people were of Jordanian or whatever nationality doesn’t endorse even more displacement of ever more indigenous people w/the Israeli seizure of that territory. Does she have a clue what risks she is running by proposing this? Of course she does, but she thinks that it’s worth it for Israel to pursue this Biblical bullpuckey prophecy whatever the cost. Well, it might be worth it for Israel to pursue it but it’s definitely not worth it for the United States to pursue it. We’ve followed Israeli militancy as far down that road as we should.

      • reader

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        • Americana

          Tweet…tweet…tweet. I can sure indulge myself w/a little inconsequential smackdown here and there, you little Mighty Mouse. Written anything w/any weight lately?

          • reader

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          • J.B.

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      • ObamaYoMoma

        PM Netanyahu has the obligation to pursue the two-state solution

        So according to you, a mentally handicapped flake, Netanyahu has an obligation to commit Israel to what would be a certain path to national suicide? By the way, Moonbat, the peace process itself in essence is a form of non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad used expertly to weaken the infidel state of Israel. Indeed, it amounts to negotiating with jihadists, and because Islam is a collective form of totalitarianism, (very similar to Marxism in which you are very intimately familiar with), the good of the collective always outweighs everything including honor.

        Moreover, the destruction of Israel would not end the myriads of jihads being waged by the Islamic totalitarian world against all infidels throughout the world that altogether comprise the greater global jihad at large. Instead, it would serve to embolden and encourage them.

        Thus, any solution for the jihad being waged against the infidel state of Israel would have to be comprehensive in nature involving the entire collective infidel world either destroying Islam altogether by obliterating all Muslims in the world, or otherwise by confiscating the Middle East oil assets, rendering the Islamic totalitarian world into total abject poverty to make them too poor and weak to wage jihad, and then isolating them until such time as Islam within that society has become totally discredited. Of the two available options, I prefer the latter to the former.

        In any event, without a total comprehensive solution involving the entire infidel world acting collectively in unison together to solve our collective jihad problem that is common to all of us, there will never be a solution for Israel or for any other infidel state.

        This pretense that simply by pretending those indigenous people were of Jordanian or whatever nationality doesn’t endorse even more displacement of ever more indigenous people w/the Israeli seizure of that territory.

        John Kerry couldn’t have said it any better. Talk about delusional! If you are not working in the State Department today, you should be. You’d fit in perfectly.

        • Americana

          You must not follow the CombatantsForPeace group, I take it? Or any other Israeli peace group, for that matter? (I’ll have to get you a master list so you can do so catch-up research.) So, according to you, who’s not a mentally handicapped flake but nonetheless calls herself ObamaYoMama, all these ISRAELI ARMY OFFICERS and SOLDIERS are all moonbats and Marxists and Pali sympathizers? All these legitimate and honorable Army officers and soldiers don’t know what’s feasible and what’s not feasible in terms of securing peace for Israel? They’re simply totally at sea over what a peace accord and sensible borders and everything mean and they’re willing to sell their country down the river by foolishly negotiating w/jihadists?

          Don’t even attempt to bring the rest of the world’s jihads into the discussion of Palestinian jihad as an excuse to fail to negotiate a two-state solution or hide behind the realities of other jihads! There is NO GLOBAL JIHAD in the sense that Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch is trying to sell the idea of global jihad. Robert Spencer even admitted that there is no global jihad in that sense. Yes, the whole Islam is Supreme bulloney is mentioned in the hadiths and the Qu’ran but that’s not what is happening in practical terms. The jihads are being waged to form individual Caliphates in formerly Muslim countries. Besides, even if there are wacky imams who are talking out of their ears and their azzes simultaneously they’re trying to sell the idea of jihad so hard, we all know they’re like those big talkin’ religious nuts of any faith, all talk and no brains. The Palestinian jihad has been going on for so long and has been so heavily publicized that every other jihad in the world owes something to the Palestinian jihad. Talk about EMBOLDENING and ENCOURAGING jihadists, long-term jihad is goddamn guaranteed to catch the degree of cultural awareness that the Palesinian jihad has done. if a peace accord were reached it might help to stifle some of these other jihads by illustrating there are diplomatic solutions. But, no, we can’t have that now, can we? I’ll trust that Israeli civilians and Israeli Army veterans can help Israel decide upon a peace plant that will work for Israel and the region before I let your opinion carry a whole lot of weight in the discussion.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            You must not follow the CombatantsForPeace group

            Congratulations! You finally got something right. I don’t waste time with self-hating morons that are as dumb and stupid as you moonbat! Indeed, I dismiss them just as I dismiss you and your idiot idol – John Kerry.

            The jihads are being waged to form individual Caliphates

            You sound as moronic as Daniel Greenfield when he stupidly says the same stupid thing and then goes on to conflate and morally equate jihad as somehow being terrorism instead of a holy war waged by Muslims to make Islam supreme.

            Nevertheless, moonbat, the sole fundamental purpose of mainstream orthodox Islam (the only kind) is the subjugation of all infidels and all religions into Islamic totalitarianism, i.e., harsh and degrading dhimmitude, through both violent and non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad and the eventual imposition of Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law, to ultimately make Islam supreme throughout the world.

            The notion that the ultimate goal of Islam is to form Caliphates is originally the product of idiotic leftwing writers that were trying to sensationalize Islam to sell newspapers shortly after the 9/11 violent jihad attacks, and that’s pure utter baloney!

            if a peace accord were reached it might help to stifle some of these other jihads by illustrating there are diplomatic solutions.

            Peace between Muslims and infidels is impossible until all infidels have been rendered into harsh and degrading dhimmitude via jihad and the imposition of Sharia (Islamic totalitarian law). Read above again the sole fundamental purpose of Islam.

            Meanwhile, for infidels there is only one path for peace, i.e., destroy Islam utterly, which would involve obliterating all Muslims, or otherwise confiscating the Middle East oilfields, rendering the Islamic totalitarian world into total abject poverty, and then isolating it until such time as the totalitarian cult of Islam becomes discredited in their society. Of course, the first step in that latter process would be reversing mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage.

            By the way, when you use words like might “help to stifle”, you indicate that you are indulging in wishful thinking and hopeful speculation, while at the same time ignoring reality. Something you Marxist totalitarians are very expert at. That and, of course, the unintended consequences of your unhinged stupidity.

          • Americana

            The fact you choose to be deliberately dumber than a box of Judean rocks doesn’t have anything to do w/other folks being likely to correctly interpret my posts.

            When I said if there were diplomatic conclusions to some jihads that it “might help to stifle other jihads,” that’s indicating that there might be diplomatic solutions opted for by other Muslim jihadis.

            Are you totally insane in the following part of your post? (YoMoma) “Meanwhile, for infidels there is only one path for peace, i.e., destroy Islam utterly, which would involve obliterating all Muslims, or otherwise confiscating the Middle East oilfields, rendering the Islamic totalitarian world into total abject poverty, and then isolating it until such time as the totalitarian cult of Islam becomes discredited in their society. Of course, the first step in that latter process would be reversing mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage.”

            Do you understand what you’re suggesting and how insane the above is? If you think my idea of a reformation from within Islam by dedicated Muslims is impossible, your strategy of having the West militarily steal the Mideast’s oils field and thus render the Muslim world into abject poverty until Islam is discredited is a little beyond feasible. I’m sure you think you’re on the right track but I am pretty sure if you appeared on The Political Gong Show, you’d have been laughed off the stage after the phrase “confiscating the Middle East’s oil fields.”

          • ObamaYoMoma

            When I said if there were diplomatic conclusions to some jihads that it “might help to stifle other jihads,” that’s indicating that there might be diplomatic solutions opted for by other Muslim jihadis.

            Jihad is holy war fought by Muslims in the cause of Allah against all infidels to make Islam supreme throughout the world. As a matter of fact, waging jihad in the cause of Allah in one form or another, either violently or non-violently, is a fundamental holy obligation incumbent upon all Muslims in the world. Thus, all mainstream orthodox Muslims in the world are jihadists in one form or another. Otherwise, they are blasphemous apostates that per the dictates of Islam must be executed.

            Indeed, subjugating all infidels and all religions into Islamic totalitarianism through both violent and non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad and the eventual imposition of Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law, to ultimately make Islam supreme throughout the world is the sole fundamental purpose of Islam.

            Hence, since the sole fundamental purpose of mainstream orthodox Islam (the only kind) is the subjugation of all infidels and all religions into Islamic totalitarianism to make Islam supreme, there are no solutions to stop the jihad other than the complete and utter destruction of Islam.

            I mean how do you convince Muslims to stop pursuing jihad per the dictates of Islam? Indeed, that is the sole fundamental purpose of Islam. They will laugh at you before lopping off your head. You can’t reason with people like that. You must destroy people like that or be destroyed. It’s not rocket science and it isn’t very complicated. As a matter of fact, it’s black and white, and that may be why it is so hard for you to see. Of course, since you are a Marxist, you may be willing to trade one form of totalitarianism for another form. I’m sorry, but I’m not.

            Do you understand what you’re suggesting and how insane the above is?

            I understand exactly what I’m saying. Didn’t I write it? It’s either we destroy them or they will destroy us. As they will wage jihad against us perpetually as long as Islam survives. Indeed, it is the sole fundamental purpose of Islam.

            If you think my idea of a reformation from within Islam by dedicated Muslims is impossible, your strategy of having the West militarily steal the Mide ast’s oils field and thus render the Muslim world into abject poverty until Islam is discredited is a little beyond feasible.

            Why? Islam, like Marxism, is an extremely dysfunctional form of totalitarianism. Hence, they can’t even produce their own oil without the infidel world’s technology and infidel workers. Render the Islamic totalitarian world into total abject poverty and then isolate it, and they will soon wither on the vine. The more they wither, the more discredited Islam as a force will become in their society. Let them wallow for a few generations in their Islamic paradise and they will anxiously repudiate Islam. Meanwhile, the only other alternative is extremely bloody, as it would involve exterminating all Muslims to destroy Islam.

            As for as a reformation occurring within Islam goes, it is utterly impossible for several reasons that I have already explained in detail. Moreover, Islam is not Christianity and Muslims are not Christians. Indeed, Islam is not even a religion, it’s a totalitarian cult. Why is it you Marxist totalitarian moonbats are so addicted to wishful thinking and to never considering the unintended consequences of your stupid actions?

            I’m sure you think you’re on the right track but I am pretty sure if you appeared on The Political Gong Show, you’d have been laughed off the stage after the phrase “confiscating the Middle East’s oil fields.”

            Maybe so. The world is pretty screwed up today. But that still doesn’t change the reality, it’s either us or them. Our choice.

            Right now we have the upper hand, but that advantage is not guaranteed forever. Look at Obama, he is turning his head while Iran is developing nukes. Not to mention that the Pakistanis already have a massive nuclear weapons arsenal thanks to American foreign aid, and once the Shiite Iranians develop nukes, that Pakistani nuclear weapons arsenal will inevitably be proliferated throughout the Sunni Islamic world as the Sunnis move to counter the Shiites, and our eternal mortal enemies will suddenly be armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons. Moreover, the concept of mutually assured destruction doesn’t work at all with people who are seeking to commit martyrdom in the cause of Allah. Hence, a thermonuclear war will become a certainty.

            Look…stupid people are too stupid to know or understand that they are stupid. So while I hate to be the bearer of bad news, I must inform you that you are stupid, exceedingly stupid.

          • Americana

            I’ll guess we’ll have to leave it there then because you’re too stupid to believe that you can’t advocate a new Crusade to “take out Islam and all Muslims” without being seen for what you are.

            Just FYI, talking nuclear proliferation is another issue entirely than discussing countering jihad or countering Islam. You might want to differentiate between the two for purposes of future discussions.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            I’ll guess we’ll have to leave it there then because you’re too stupid to believe that you can’t advocate a new Crusade to “take out Islam and all Muslims” without being seen for what you are.

            We don’t have a choice. It’s either us or them. Thus, unlike you, who is a mentally handicapped Marxist, I’m not willing to trade one form of totalitarianism for another form of totalitarianism. Surrender is not an option. I’d rather die fighting for freedom and liberty than become a subjugated dhimmi.

            Not to mention that anyone who is a Marxist is incredibly stupid since it always fails just like clockwork in the long run. However, during the time it is failing usually millions of people die or suffer horribly in the process.

            Just FYI, talking nuclear proliferation is another issue entirely than discussing countering jihad or countering Islam. You might want to differentiate between the two for purposes of future discussions.

            It may be for you, but excuse me if I’m not nearly so stupid or mentally incompetent. The last people on the planet that should be allowed access to nukes are Muslims, since making Islam supreme throughout the world via any and all means at their disposal is the sole fundamental purpose of Islam.

            Today Pakistan has nukes thanks to Saudi financing and then thanks to extremely misguided American foreign aid, they have been able to build up a very huge nuclear stockpile. Of course, their stated reason: to counter India is complete and utter BS, as neither India nor Hindus represent an existential threat to anyone much less Pakistan.

            Now just the opposite is true with regard to India, as the Muslims represents a very grave threat to the Hindus, as they do to all infidels throughout the world. Especially when you consider the fact that the jihad being waged against the Hindu infidels by Pakistan and as part of the greater global jihad is existential almost as long as the jihad being waged perpetually against the Jewish infidels in Israel by the Islamic totalitarian world through their so-called Palestinian proxies. Not to mention, that Pakistan’s extensive nuclear arsenal is far and away more extensive than that required to counter a nuclear armed India in any event.

            Thus, our first priority should be not lifting up Muslims in Afghanistan, as that is synonymous to aiding and abetting our perpetual enemies during a time of war. It should be, instead, forcing the Pakistanis to give up that nuclear weapons arsenal before it inevitably gets proliferated throughout the Islamic totalitarian world as soon as Iran acquires nukes, which is all but certain now thanks to Obama.

            So while you want to wait until after it is too late to have the discussion on nuclear proliferation, I want to have that discussion now, because as soon as Iran acquires nukes in the very near future thanks to Obama, the Sunnis will react by becoming armed to the teeth with nukes acquired from Pakistan to counter the Shiite threat. Then the Islamic totalitarian world, which is obligated to subjugate the infidel world in order to make itself supreme, will be armed to the teeth with nukes and it will be too late, as a thermonuclear war that will make WWI and WWII seem like a polite stroll in the park will be only a matter of time after that.

          • Americana

            Since your subjugation as a mentally handicapped dhimmi isn’t going to happen in YOUR LIFETIME, I’d cease worrying in quite such a frantic way about what will befall YOU. Either you’re totally unaware of the strategic balance of power or you truly believe that there are enough Muslims where you are who are interested in taking you on. The craziness that has been able to be propagated by web sites dedicated to producing cultural hysteria simply beggars belief.

            Off to do some research for you on your whole misunderstanding about the India/Pakistan/Saudi Arabia/Iran business. If Pakistan couldn’t be trusted to handle their nukes, how is it they’ve had multiple wars w/NO nuclear warheads yet exchanged w/India? As for the nuclear non-proliferation efforts, everybody and his mother is working on that and even that is called into question by fools thinking there can be no interaction between the Saudis and the Iranians that doesn’t bode ill for the West.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Since your subjugation as a mentally handicapped dhimmi isn’t going to happen in YOUR LIFETIME,

            It’s not going to happen to me, because unlike you I’ll die fighting first. I’m not willing to trade one form of totalitarianism for another form of totalitarianism the same way you are.

            Either you’re totally unaware of the strategic balance of power

            Why don’t you humor me and fill me in on that strategic balance of power you are imagining. Man…are we back in the Cold War again or what?

            If Pakistan couldn’t be trusted to handle their nukes, how is it they’ve had multiple wars w/NO nuclear warheads yet exchanged w/India?

            The Paks have been waging both violent and non-violent jihad on behalf of the Islamic totalitarian world in the modern era against the Hindu infidels in India for nearly as long as the Islamic totalitarian world has been waging jihad against the Jewish infidels in Israel, and as with the jihad against the Jewish infidels in Israel, the ultimate goal is to make Islam supreme throughout India and to render the Hindu infidels into harsh and degrading dhimmitude.

            Nevertheless, the Hindu infidels are like the Jewish infidels in that they are the victims of a perpetual jihad they’d rather not be embroiled in, and the notion that Pakistan originally developed nukes to counter the Hindu infidel threat is laughable. However, like the Jewish infidels the Hindu infidels aren’t going to roll over and play dead.

            With respect to why they haven’t used them yet, it’s because the timing has been right yet. Islam is a lot of things, most of them totalitarian, but it nonetheless isn’t a recipe to commit suicide.

            As for the nuclear non-proliferation efforts,

            That’s way, way, way, way above your pay grade, but why don’t you humor me anyway.

            there can be no interaction between the Saudis and the Iranians that doesn’t bode ill for the West.

            The Sunni Saudis consider the Shiite Iranians to be infidels, just like the Shiite Iranians consider the Sunni Saudis to be infidels. Of course, our thoroughly 100 percent incompetent State Department is trying to bring both countries together by using their mutual hatred for Jewish infidels as the bait. However, just like everything our thoroughly incompetent State Department does, it will inevitably fail miserably.

            Expect Israel to bomb the crap out of Iran and hopefully with nukes, while passing through Saudi airspace with Saudi blessings, should the Iranians get close to developing nukes, and if Israel fails to stop the Iranians from getting nukes, watch how fast the Saudis and the rest of the Sunni Islamic totalitarian world arms up to the teeth with nuclear weapons purchased from Pakistan to counter the Shiites.

            In fact, that’s the only plausible reason why Pakistan developed such a humongous nuclear weapons arsenal, as it could destroy India about a 100 times. It certainly wasn’t to counter a nuclear armed India, that doesn’t represent an existential threat to anyone much less the Paks, but nevertheless would be suicidal considering who their neighbors are if it didn’t possess nukes like Israel.

            As a matter of fact, if India and Israel were smart, they would create a mutual security pact between the two of them as added insurance to nuke the crap out of whoever is dumb enough to nuke either one of them.

        • Americana

          Here you go, Moonbat Moma, a little research list for you. I suggest you start w/the Combatants for Peace group since you won’t be able to call them moonbats and Marxists and flakes, but obviously, it’s free choice, free will. You can also contact numerous Israeli veterans and perhaps develop a deeper understanding of why they believe as they do.

          Have at it:

          http://voicesfrominside.net/organizations.htm

          • Drakken

            Your leftist propaganda is still leftist propaganda. Here let me help you out with your peace problem, your under the impression the arab muslims want peace, your wrong, dead wrong and your too bloody ignorant to get it.

          • Chupra

            You are arguing with a woman who is 40+. They have led a charmed life. There is something like 33 wars going on around the world at anyone time,but they refuse to acknowledge this fact. You can model the occurrence of war around the world with a Poisson distribution. That ought to tell people something. Americana is not the type of person care or learn about statistics, but BY G-D they will argue ’til the cows come home form the the verdant fields they so enthuse about. There is war right now and people do not consider it a war. It is the Ukraine. Depending on your definition of a way it fits. 1,000 people have died and at least one nation is involved. Yet we have at most a milquetoast response.

            They do not believe “The world is ruled by the aggressive use of force” (Rush Limbaugh). They should believe it, but they don’t. It should not be that way, but it is.

            If we lived in a world where this was not true (utopia), we should be prepared to use force in case the old ways came back. Washington and many other great men have said as much. Trotsky said as much (“You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you”).

            freedomkeys.com/vigil.htm

          • Drakken

            You are correct, trying to educate these fools is an exercise in bloody futility, they never get it or understand it until they are lined up against wall and ditches. Let Darwin have his due.

          • Chupra

            Your post sounds like a threat. You going to line Drakken up and shoot him? Unless he lied he served in Somolia. When and where did you serve?

            When you line people up in a ditch are you going to say this is the start of the Revolution like the tards in Las Vegas? Only this Revolution will be approved because it will be more in line with the good side, the Weatherman/Bill Ayers types.

          • Drakken

            There ya go reading into things that just aren’t there.
            Here let me clarify for your special education, leftist folks like you, refuse to see reality until it comes to your doorsteps and are lined up against walls and ditches. Darwin one way or another always eats you folks who deny reality and their own survival.

          • Americana

            I’ve led a charmed life? I know nothing about war? I refuse to acknowledge wars? Obviously, you don’t have a clue how heavily bombed the northwestern part of England was and what I saw many decades after the end of WW II. The beautiful limestone and sandstone docks in Liverpool weren’t restored till the 1990s because they were so heavily bombed, engineers didn’t believe they were salvageable. My mother hails from Lancashire. There were still remaining UXBs (500-lb. size) in the ground that were cordoned off when I played at one of the parks as a child. Many journalist friends have gone off to cover wars. I know many young men from my town/county who’ve gone off to fight in both these wars and though most of those I know have come back healthy, I live close to a Veterans Administration Hospital that is a rehabilitation center for those grievously wounded.

            As for Ukraine, that is/was a fairly clean and very clear war. It was obvious that Russia gave the Crimea to Ukraine to keep Ukraine within its sphere. When Ukraine chose to join the EU, Pres. Putin thought there might be the possibility of NATO missiles being moved into Ukraine. I can understand him feeling that way and taking that action of stealing Crimea back. You don’t give a country such a huge piece of real estate without expecting the country to recognize it’s a bribe. As for lumping the Ukraine incident in w/this discussion of JIHAD WARFARE, they’re not the same class of warfare so let’s not pretend they are.

          • Chupra

            There is something like 33 wars going on around the world at anyone time,but they refuse to acknowledge this fact. You can model the occurrence of war around the world with a Poisson distribution. That ought to tell people something. Americana is not the type of person care or learn about statistics, but BY G-D they will argue ’til the cows come home form the the verdant fields they so enthuse about. There is war right now and people do not consider it a war. It is the Ukraine. Depending on your definition of a way it fits. 1,000 people have died and at least one nation is involved. Yet we have at most a milquetoast response.

            They do not believe “The world is ruled by the aggressive use of force” (Rush Limbaugh). They should believe it, but they don’t. It should not be that way, but it is.

            If we lived in a world where this was not true (utopia), we should be prepared to use force in case the old ways came back. Washington and many other great men have said as much. Trotsky said as much (“You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you”).

            freedomkeys.com/vigil.htm

        • Americana

          This is a testimonial by Zohar Shapira, a 13-year veteran of the Israeli Army and a top commando unit:

          Zohar Shapira, 40, is a teacher living in Tel Aviv. He served 15 years in the Israeli military, and for some of this time was a member of Israel’s top commando unit. During a night-raid on a Palestinian village, he saw the damage being done to children caught up in the conflict, and realised he could play no further part in the endless cycles of revenge.

          I don’t think anyone needs to ask me for forgiveness, but I may need to ask forgiveness from others. But even if I did receive forgiveness, I would still hold myself responsible for everything that I have done. Forgiveness is very important because it releases you from the lower emotions of being human. Once the anger ceases, the heart opens and understanding is possible.

          I was brought up in a Zionist family, raised with the notion that we had to defend our country or else there would be another Holocaust. The image I was given was of a soldier holding a weapon in one hand with the other hand extended in peace. The idea was that once the violence was over our enemy would view me as a peacemaker. But it doesn’t work like that. You are either a man who uses violence, or you are a peaceful man: a man who believes peace can only come through dialogue and trust.

          Even as a young soldier I felt this contradiction. On leave at weekends I was being asked to put down my gun and suddenly become this normal, sensitive human being again. This creates a lot of internal conflict and after years of being in the army it becomes almost impossible to switch back to the person you once were.

          During those years I took part in hundreds of military operations, dozens in the West Bank. I was told I was defending my people and in the beginning I believed it. However, in time I saw that instead of defending my country I was in fact oppressing the Palestinian people, and therefore weakening security inside the Israeli state.

          At the start of the Second Intifada suicide bombings increased. On one occasion I was in Jerusalem when a suicide bomb exploded just one hundred metres from where I stood. There was blood everywhere and the air was thick with the smell of burnt organs. As I was also an army medic I helped to treat a religious child who was severely wounded with a screw in his head. That explosion affected me deeply. Then, a week later, there was another big terror attack in a hotel which left many people dead. As a result, the very next day the Israeli Government launched a military operation called ‘Shield of Defence’. But what was perceived as self-defence by the Israelis became known, to the Palestinians, as the ‘War on Jenin’. I knew this action would not bring peace. I knew that it would just trigger another cycle of revenge.

          The turning point for me came when I took my platoon to a small village near Nablus at three in the morning. We were there to arrest a man suspected of being a suicide bomber. Everyone was forced out of the man’s house, including a young woman carrying a baby followed by her seven-year-old daughter. Then suddenly this young girl started running towards me. I had seconds in which to decide whether she was about to blow herself up, or whether she was just a child who was terrified of soldiers. Even when I shouted at her to stop she kept running, and so I started shooting above her head. At this point she froze and there was a moment in which we made eye contact. It was an extraordinary moment – not a soldier confronting his enemy, but two human beings looking at each other.

          I knew then that although this young girl hadn’t been hurt physically, I had committed a terrible crime because I had wounded her spirit forever. I thought then, how can I continue to justify the kind of action which kills and maims children? If I don’t stop now I will be sucked into the cycle of revenge.

          The first time I met with Combatants for Peace I was very suspicious. As I passed the green line into Palestinian territory without a military jeep as backup, I feared for my life. I had, after all, been taught that all Palestinians spend their time making bombs. I soon realised, however, that the Palestinians I was about to meet were also afraid of me. They told me later that they thought I was from the secret service.

          There was much mistrust to begin with and I was afraid to admit to what I’d done as a soldier. But slowly we began to form a dialogue, and we soon realised that we all wanted to live peacefully and recognise each other as human. Nowadays both sides acknowledge that while this might not be the ultimate solution, revenge is getting us nowhere. We are a little ray of light in the darkness, but I believe that one day that light will brighten and we’ll be able to see another part of the sky.

          Visit original script in the Foregiveness Project website.

          • nood2

            I think that all Israelis have similar stories.
            All of us dream of the day when our sons and daughters don’t have to serve in the IDF at age 18.

          • Americana

            I can’t imagine the fear Israeli parents must face! I pray your family members remain safe. My South African Jewish boyfriend went to Jerusalem to study architecture and he was told he had to serve in the IDF. It brought the reality home in a way I’ve never felt before. Where do you live in Israel?

          • teq

            People who go to study in Israel have to serve in the IDF?? There’s nothing about that in the “Come Study in Israel” advertisements.

          • Americana

            This was a long time ago. I believe it hinges on whether one intends to take Israeli citizenship or maintain dual citizenship as well as whether one intends to remain an Israeli resident post-graduation. He wanted to do both.

            Obviously, someone who is only going to study there and isn’t interested in taking Israeli citizenship or have dual citizenship wouldn’t be obligated to serve. Check it out though, my information is from a long time ago.

          • nood2

            I currently live in the Toronto area, but still have a home in the Tel Aviv area. I have been blessed with three daughters, one of them is married and lives in Tel Aviv.
            I’m there usually twice a year and plan on retiring in Israel in the next few years.
            Yourself?

          • Americana

            I’d never live there in a million years. I’m a person who loves deserts for brief periods (our Grand Canyon is somewhere you should visit) but I’m a mad garden designer/landscape designer at heart. Much as I enjoy the greening of the desert through permaculture and hydroponics, I’d never be happy if I didn’t have pastures, VERDANT pastures, for my horses.

            Didn’t marry the South African Jewish guy. He didn’t want children. He still goes there. A fellow writer works for the Jerusalem Post and married an Israeli. A former co-worker is the long-time financier for the Tel Rehov archaeological dig.

          • nood2

            Ah, the Grand Canyon, one of my favorite places on this earth, and I hope it will be the resting place for my ashes.
            Have you ever been to Israel?

          • J.B.

            Liar.

          • Americana

            I’m beginning to think your initials stand for ‘Just Bullshite.” How is it if I didn’t have a SA Jewish BF that I would know that the University of Jerusalem had an architecture school? How would I know that if someone takes Israeli citizenship or residency status they’d have to serve in the IDF? You think this is knowledge an American who’s Roman Catholic and has no intention of going to Jerusalem to study architecture just stumbles across while hitting a Starbucks?

            Leonard was absolutely gorgeous by the way w/blue eyes, an off-and on huge black beard (he looked like a Biblical prophet when sporting one) and beetle brows.

          • Drakken

            As long as a muslim is breathing, you and yours in Israel are not going to get that luxury.

          • nood2

            Heh Drakken.
            I can dream can’t I?
            Pragmatically though you are right.
            I read a report on TROP, where Abbas admits to fellow Pals that he is playing the Yanks.
            as you always say, the day of reckoning is fast approaching

          • Chaucer

            It is good to dream and hope for a better future.

            I think it is delusional or selfish to expect someone else to shoulder the burden. Defense is a common burden. Everyone should contribute.

            I dislike the Amish way of life because they do take no part in defending the nation. They enjoy the benefits of peace but they do not contribute enough. Taxes are not enough. Merely paying taxes is like someone paying for a replacement during the American Civil War if they were obligated to go.

            Is it any different for Israel? Should it only fall to a subpopulation for their sons or daughters to die in defense if the nation (people)?

          • Drakken

            I have often wished to God that I was wrong, but time, events and history are coming together for a very nasty readjustment.
            Abbas has played the west since day one, and these idiots keep believing him and paying him, despite the evidence to the contrary.
            Yes Nood, you can dream, but like a fart in the wind, they are there momentarily and then they are gone and then the cold brutal harsh reality of it all comes to visit.
            Peace is always temporary, war is always the only constant.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Other than demonstrating that you are a gullible bleeding heart leftwing loon that doesn’t have the first clue, that you hate the Jewish state with a passion, that you are as gullible and dumb as John Kerry — your idol, that you are extremely susceptible to leftwing propaganda and Muslim taqiyya, and that you are incredibly mentally handicapped, nothing you advocate would have any effect whatsoever of solving the jihad being waged against the Jewish infidel state of Israel and, indeed, all infidels throughout the world. As a matter of fact, what you advocate would be very suicidal!

            Meanwhile, that alleged former Israeli soldier sounds about as credible as Bergdahl, the so-called POW that was really a self-hating deserter and a fugitive from justice until he was recently betrayed by his former Taliban brothers. Indeed, it reminds me of John Kerry symbolically tossing his medals over the fence to make a traitorous statement against America.

            What is happening in Israel is not a conflict between Israelis and Arabs over land Israel is alleged to have stolen from indigenous Arabs that were later morphed into so-called Palestinians in order to dupe gullible useful idiot infidels exactly like you. What is going on in Israel instead is an old fashion run of the mill jihad being waged by the Islamic totalitarian world through their proxies – the so-called Palestinians – to not only subjugate the Jewish infidels into Islamic totalitarianism, i.e., harsh and degrading dhimmitude, through the eventual imposition of Sharia (Islamic totalitarian law), but to also make Islam supreme again in Israel, and as such the jihad being waged against the Jewish infidels in Israel is no different from the jihad being waged against the Hindu infidels in India, the Buddhist infidels in Thailand, the Orthodox Christian infidels in Chechnya, the Christian and animist infidels in Sudan, and, indeed, against all infidels throughout the world. Either violently, as in AQ and Hamas, or non-violently primarily through mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage to the infidel world that is really a form of non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad for the nefarious purposes of mass Muslim infiltration and eventual demographic conquest.

            Your problem is quite simple. You are a mentally deficient moron and as a result you are an extremely gullible useful idiot. Indeed, your mindset is the same as the mindset of those State Department loons that urged Obama to bypass Congress, our Military, and our Intelligence agencies to trade five jihadists that are the equivalent of generals for a deserter and Muslim convert that was up until the time of the transfer a fugitive from justice as opposed to a POW. Hence, my advice for you is to seek mental help for your very severe mental disorder resulting from your addiction to Marxism.

          • Americana

            Oh, yes, right! There you go, hitting all the talking points of the gullible and then throwing in the kitchen sink of mental feebleness to top it all off. You folks simply beggar belief in the cheapness and nastiness and general sliminess of your tactics. You’ll note that nood2 (an honest to god Israeli) isn’t as rude and dismissive as you are. I’ll forward your commentary in its entirety to the Combatants for Peace web site, tell them what these American web sites are saying and see if any of the Combatants for Peace folks are willing to dispute your egregious lies about their personal testimonials being bullpuckey stories.

            Berdgahl’s feelings about the Afghan War and the Israeli soldiers whose testimonials appear on that Combatants for Peace site have NOTHING to do w/each other. But, go ahead, play that game and conflate the two, make the claim that the Israelis are cowards and feeble-minded and they don’t have a grasp of history and they’re PTSD and let’s see how much slack they cut you. Off to ship off your above post to them now and let’s see what they’ve got to say for themselves.

          • Drakken

            Combatants for Peace? Hahahahahaha leftist stupidity at it’s finest, oh I know, why don’t you go there and protest like another American hating jihadist lover like Rachel”St. Pancake” Corrie, I can hear her screaming from here for company and you look like a very good candidate for that job. You can tell those Quisling peaceniks to go pound sand.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Combatants for Peace?

            Rapists for Virginity.

            Pedophiles for UNICEF.

            Progressives for Islamofascism.

          • J.B.

            Cite one thing he wrote that was false.

            TROLLTARD.

          • Americana

            This is CAROLINE GLICK whose editorial we’re debating. Not that of a man or anyone else’s posts, correct? All of these points are debatable to one degree or another:

            (GLICK) “All of Abbas’s great accomplishments over the past year have harmed Israel. Israel is more isolated today than it has ever been.”

            “And this isolation redounds in large part to Abbas’s ability to exploit the US’s addiction to him. His success not only in forming the government with Hamas, but in securing US and EU support for it, is the worst blow so far. Israel now finds itself weaker diplomatically not only than Abbas, but than a genocidal terrorist group run by Iran.”

          • Pete

            Why are you bothering with Obama yo mama? I ignore him. How many people reply to him?

            Daniel Greenfield called him out about year ago for his style and tactics.

            I don’t like his style for one and we could continue from there.

          • Americana

            I did not know that about Greenfield calling ObamaYM out. It must be very hard for these writers to restrain themselves and not be calling certain people out all the time. Must be tough for these writers to participate on their own threads because they’re not allowed to have an unencumbered conversation w/just those w/whom they’d like to argue something to the mat. I have a hard time not giving everyone some time in discussions. It’s generally a long while before I finally cut someone off entirely. I already tried cutting someone off for rudeness and lying and had to temporarily relent. It’s obviously a personal failing! Thanx for the insider tip. (Obviously gleaned from years of ?????? experiences!)

          • Pete

            About 3 years maybe a little more.

            Long enough to see one leftist who use to troll here get locked up.

          • Americana

            I don’t believe anyone from either side should troll.

          • Americana

            I guess I’m bothering w/ObamaYoMama because it’s quite obvious that the extensive list of talking points in these posts is something that’s being willingly propagated while dissenting voices are eliminated. So, I guess I was right in responding to ObamaYoMama’s posts after all. So, whether you think OYM is valuable or not, those opinions are considered to be of greater value here.

          • Pete

            OYM is not an any official talking point list.

            I agree with some of what he says. Yet If I was in charge of a talking point list, I would not be routing it to him to help disseminate. If I were trying to discredit some group, while trying to look like part of that group, someone like OYM is who I would use as a persona.

            If OYM is for real, I don’t think you are teaching OYM anything. You are just irritating them and causing them to dig in further.

            You have to crack that nut with a different technique.

            You also are nut going to change OYM when you are one of the posters that frequent posters here love to hate because you are for the most part naysaying.

            I have tangled here with objectivetruthmatters, Drakken, truebearing and others.

            Me If I were choosing a debate team I would choose “objective truth matters” over truebearing. I would also choose Drakken over many others with utopian dreams that we all have because he is more sanguine. He has had skin in the game. Heirnonymous might have been on the line, but he did not have skin in the game the same way as Drakken.

          • Americana

            I don’t feel I’m a naysayer simply because I have a different approach to the issues from some others. That’s like saying someone is a doughnut hater if they choose to eat croinuts instead. I’ve had two family members in Muslim areas — one sister was in Cameroon, West Africe and another sister was an educator in a few countries in the Middle East and I’ve had many neighbors who have fled the various regional wars and gone to Boston, MA — so I’m not ignorant in the sense many people are ignorant. I will not ever likely choose a debate team to join on here. It’s engaging w/everyone or no one. These are collective decisions and perspectives at which we’ve got to arrive w/as much unanimity in the country as we can. I don’t consider it meaningful to distinguish between what any member of the military does in a conflict. Drakken and hieronymous may have different perspectives, but they’re both close enough to understand the root causes and what the war looks like on the ground so the fact they may have been led to different conclusions about how to achieve peace (or any resolution momentum for anything like peace in any of these Muslim jihad regional issues) likely arises from elsewhere.

          • Pete

            There is no debate team here. I never said there was. I was giving a hypothetical situation. I said if someone was to choose people for a debate team who would be chosen and who would not be.

            Different perspectives can be good, but not always. Hiernonymous is a REMF. Regardless of being a REMF or not, he might have very much indeed to bring to the table about combat etc. But it should be a question mark in people’s mind. He might have the mindset ofa warrior. Still there is that question mark. Drakken in the other hand has most likely patrolled in hostile or semi-hostile urban environments and been subjected to mortar attacks all while protecting people from the UN and NGOs who were feeding people and trying prevent starvation. Drakken has a right to see things with a jaundiced eye. Farah Aidid was engaged in using food as a weapon and was willing to kill Americans when his own son was a Marine. How sick and how cynical is that? Drakken has every right to be cynical

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            ObamaYoMoma AKBAR!

          • Jimi Belton

            WOW, what a mouthful….Friend I sure hope you are correct in your assessment…JB

          • J.B.

            Nailed it.

          • Americana

            Oh, someone is advocating Israel commit suicide but on her own terms! How intelligent of you, ObamaYoMoma!! Yes, someone who’s a bleeding heart Zionist, who’s interested in continuing the BLEEDING for a long, long time says that the Jewish state is the victim of the INFAMOUS INTERNATIONAL JIHAD that will have enemies of every stripe arriving to wage jihad in Palestine. You’re going against the advice of some former heads of the Mossad, you know that, right? You’re also going against some of the notable retired Israeli Army generals, soldiers who really earned their rank and far, far outrank you in terms of intelligence on the matter. I’m very curious how much those folks watch you folks. I think they’d be mesmerized by what you write.

          • republicc

            This is the testimony of Muhammed Baluney “I was a resident of Gaza. One day Hamas arrested my father and tortured him for saying that Israel isn’t all bad. Hamas told me that they would release my Father if I would sneak into Israel and transfer for them $100,000 to Zohar Shapira. I did what they said but when I returned to Gaza they kept torturing my Father until he died. I was able to escape and i am now giving my testimony from an undisclosed location.”

          • Americana

            It will be a long time before Hamas is eradicated or disbanded or otherwise is converted to a non-lethal threat meanwhile its brutality and its rationales for its choices will continue. There have been many insurgencies where the brutality waged by one side outweighs that of the other.

          • Drakken

            The only way you deal with hamas and company is to killem all and let allah sortem out.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Send in the clowns.
            There ought to be clown.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Send in the drones,
            There ought to be drones…

            MUCH better.

          • Drakken

            I prefer B-52 Arclight Strikes, it’s the only way to be sure.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Drones are cheaper to operate, but I like the intimidation factor of B-52′s.

          • Drakken

            Go big or go home as they say.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            I remember seeing a TV interview of a former US embassy in Tehran hostage asked whether he would ever return to Iran.

            He said yes. In a B-52.

          • JayWye

            B-52;slow and easily shot down by modern air defense missiles. Even the ones Iran copied from US Standard missiles.

          • Drakken

            I highly doubt Gaza has a missile platform that can reach, much less shoot down any aircraft.

          • Americana

            Gonna use a CLEAR CHANNEL to call in those strikes, Big Guy?

            You’re sure you wanna go CLEAR CHANNEL, NO ENCRYPTION, open to everyone and his Aunt Emeritus? An open invitation to anyone who’s listening to the party. Or at least to know what’s going to go on at the party.

          • Drakken

            If you understood anything about radio’s and communication in general, you wouldn’t be talking out of your azz because your mouth knows better princess. But thanks for playing anyway.

          • truebearing

            She’s parroting hiernonomous’s BS. The same hiernonymous who tried to defend her idiotic claim that Benghazi was the fault of the Joint Chiefs. I guess his career in military intelligence didn’t include a briefing on the chain of command.

          • Americana

            I’d be a little careful playing sloppy and loose w/your facts, truebearing, since you’re the one that claimed the SUDDEN APPEARANCE of a Rapid Response Force on Sigonella in 2013 — a year after the Benghazi raid — was proof positive that the Signonella RR force was capable of responding to the Benghazi request for relief. I don’t parrot hieronymous’ BS and he certainly doesn’t parrot mine. He’s willing to explain my posts when you can’t UNDERSTAND them or you DELIBERATELY misunderstand them and you fail to put two and two together.

          • Drakken

            Coming from someone like you who plays fast and lose with the facts and completely misses the point, I’m not surprised miss “peace activist”. Your play at putting words into other peoples mouths really is becoming tiring.

          • Americana

            I’ve not put any words into your mouth, Drakken. Plus, I rarely try to play fast and loose w/facts and I hardly ever miss the real crucial points in someone’s post or we wouldn’t be having this exchange. You UTTERED those words yourself! You claimed that you heard general ‘Stand Down’ orders being issued in clear channel for troops that might have been sent to save the Americans in Benghazi. We still haven’t heard ALL THE NECESSARY CLARIFICATIONS on your hearing these communications that would establish beyond a shadow of a doubt that you heard these ‘Stand Down’ orders. Answer all the questions hieronymous posed to you and then let’s see where hieronymous thinks the story stands as to its veracity.

          • Drakken

            Little miss peace activist, you have completely utterly misconstrued and twisted what I have said to the point of being meaningless. I have tried to educate you, but you have completely ignored it. There is absolutely no helping you because as a leftist, your mind is completely wrapped around the leftist narrative and the propaganda being pumped into your little leftist mind. The only way your going to get it, is by seeing it first hand for yourself, other than that, this is an exercise in utter fu**ing futility.

          • Americana

            We’ll see what hieronymous thinks of your latest and greatest responses on this Benghazi comms score. I’m not satisfied so somehow I doubt he will be either. As far as I’m concerned, I haven’t twisted anything to the story. Since hieronymous usually seems to tweak to my points without missing a beat, let’s see if he thinks I’m being unfair and if thinks I twisted anything and am OUT OF LINE. He doesn’t LET ANYONE OFF FOR BAD/ILLOGICAL BEHAVIOUR so if I’m due for an ass-kicking, it’ll be coming down the pike shortly. (Feel free to chew me up, hieronymous. I don’t want to make us look bad.) But let’s just see if these latest tidbits satisfy him. Until he’s satisfied, I’m not going to be statisfied.

            I’ve never thought I’m uneducable, whether I’m playing a righty, a left or a centrist. I’m also not wedded to any particular narrative about the Middle East and Israel and Palestine. I’ve got about 4 scenarios I consider acceptable in my mind and I’m constantly evaluating to add more.

          • Drakken

            Put your fat spoiled lazy azz on a plane and see with your own eyes the folly and the stupidity of your leftist ideals and lets see if you leave with the same thought process, I’ll bet you a cool grand you don’t.

          • Americana

            Drakken, you undoubtedly have a different POV from me being someone whose life is on the line and you don’t appreciate I feel I’m a realist about what we are able to do in these Muslim countries. Stay safe, I sincerely mean that. I’m not your adversary in the sense you believe I am.

            (You might be right about the puffy butt. More calisthenics and 5-mile runs are in order.)

          • Drakken

            The reality is simple, you read leftist garbage and take it as the gospel truth, that is not reality, that is wishful lala land thinking. My suggestion to you is very very simple, go volunteer for an aid organization for a year in Africa or the ME, you will never ever see things the way you are seeing them now. Thanks for the best wishes, I never take them for granted.

          • Americana

            Exactly what sorts of leftist garbage is it you think I read and take at face value? You don’t think I look at the sources and footnotes? You think I’m being overly concerned about the Palestinians or that I trust the Palestinians implicitly? You think I don’t see the enormous cultural flaws within Muslim cultures that permit female genital mutilation and the most egregious corporal punishments to be meted out for crazy crimes w/silly proof and silly sharia court practices? I wouldn’t be talking about a reformation if I didn’t know what there is in Islam that is not humane that should be changed. I somehow doubt that my opinion on what needs to be overhauled would change. if I went and lived there for a year. just as I’m not sure that everyone knows what is and isn’t a genuine cultural artifact attributable to Islam. I believe there are enough people who are interested in reform for it to happen should the right person(s) come along to serve as a catalyst.

          • Americana

            It’s pretty indicative just who’s playing fast and loose w/the facts that any posts contesting your story about hearing this ‘Stand Down’ order are removed. It’s very, very clear you didn’t hear diddly squat that’s definitive in any way that condemns this administration’s conduct during the Benghazi incident. You didn’t hear anything that leads you to be able to state that you know of A RRF (or other) UNIT within REACH OF BENGHAZI that was told to ‘Stand Down.’ But because your story fits the narrative here, your posts are allowed to stand. What’s more, no one on your side of the aisle has the common sense to challenge the status quo as presented by you. What an absurd situation.

          • hiernonymous

            It’s interesting that you let your personal resentments lead you to lie. I don’t use that term lightly, by the way; I’m generally inclined to assume that misstatements are just that – mistakes. But you’ve been corrected on this, and continue to make your statement – which means you are making a mistake knowingly, which is to lie. Here’s a post from four days ago that should have helped you avoid your ethical conflict:

            H to TB (4 days ago): “That’s not how I read it. I took from her argument that the decision to establish a reaction force at Signella was tacit acknowledgement that there had been no asset to call on earlier. I don’t think she was making the claim that “Benghazi was the Joint Chief’s fault.” She’ll have to weigh in on that if she so chooses… I don’t know if your tendency to oversimplify is a rhetorical gambit or a limitation in your attention, but you should be able to understand
            that I’m not arguing that Benghazi was the Joint Chief’s fault; I’m acknowledging that Americana has a point in noting that the establishment of a reaction capability at Sigonella is one piece of evidence in support of the contention that there was no comparable asset for the COCOM commander or his subordinates to deploy on the night of Benghazi. It’s not really difficult or complicated.”

            When you find yourself unable to respond to arguments as they are actually made, and rely on mischaracterizations after a correction has been offered, you have compromised your integrity for some pretty insignificant reasons. Try to do better.

          • Americana

            Yes, that’s exactly right, hieronymous.

            I seem to be running into a bit of ‘delete the skeeters’ from the moderators w/posts being made to vanish, any advice?

          • Americana

            hieronymous explained the radio situation very clearly and you know it, otherwise you wouldn’t have altered a couple of your POSTS making claims about what you heard to make those claims into less definitive, less specific claims. You also would have clarified WHO was giving the orders and TO WHICH SPECIFIC UNITS the orders were being given as well as clarifying the channel used and what radio equipment you heard these orders on. But since you didn’t personally hear the orders “being issues in CLEAR CHANNEL” since you “just happened to be in the vicinity,” you’ve invented the whole scenario in order to give yourself a whole lot of credibility. Trouble is, MILITARILY CRITICAL information doesn’t go out UNENCRYPTED. Militarily critical information isn’t just broadcast out to any old units. In this case, it would have gone to the SPECIFIC ORIGINATING BASES FOR THESE Rapid Response Teams.

          • Drakken

            For a “peace advocate” your not too bloody bright, nice try at putting words in my mouth that weren’t said. Your try at reading into things really does speak volumes, your nothing but a leftist moonbat. Let me help you with your cognitive dissonance of stupidity, hand held radios for the most part are not encrypted, vehicle and communication shacks usually are. For the record, I am not a comm guy.

          • Americana

            For the record, not being a comms guy doesn’t let you off the hook for answering the questions hieronymous asked you. So until you’ve answered the questions to hieronymous’ satisfaction, I’m still going to think of this as (DELETED w/EXTREME PREJUDICE). I’ll make an apology if I’m proven out of line, otherwise….

          • Drakken

            Here are the bloody facts, open air non-encripted comm was heard from personnel on the ground in Bengazi.
            Stand down orders were given to units in Europe, DJbuti, and naval units by higher authority.
            Stand down orders were not given to folks in Benghazi nor was that said or heard.
            There were Marsoc,Socom, and rapid reaction personnel within 3-4 hour window of being on the ground in Libya.
            Here you go honey, enjoy the facts.

          • Americana

            This still doesn’t answer hieronymous’ questions posed to you so hieronymous will have to weigh in w/his opinion.

          • hiernonymous

            I understand communications and radios pretty well. What sort of comms do you claim to have overheard, in what part of the frequency spectrum, using what sort of equipment?

          • Drakken

            Hand held radios of both parties, not encrypted which comes out as static. Heard broken up in our comm shack. The atmospherics we’re optimal that night according to our comm guys.

          • Americana

            This is one for hieronymous to decipher but I’ve gotta say I’m flabbergasted at your gall (and I have to DELETE the rest of my commentary w/EXTREME PREJUDICE).

          • Drakken

            Come on over here peace activist and I’ll show you exactly what extreme prejudice looks like.

          • hiernonymous

            Okay. Listening to bricks might be exciting, but it wouldn’t give you any insight into who was making what operational decisions. If you didn’t raise hearing this chatter in the context of the supposed stand down order, what was the context? What do you think you learned?

          • Americana

            You might have missed this post, hieronymous. I can’t tell from this reply of yours but based on what you wrote, I think you missed this one.

            Drakken >>>> Americana • an hour ago

            Here are the bloody facts, open air non-encripted comm was heard from personnel on the ground in Bengazi.
            Stand down orders were given to units in Europe, DJbuti, and naval units by higher authority.
            Stand down orders were not given to folks in Benghazi nor was that said or heard.
            There were Marsoc,Socom, and rapid reaction personnel within 3-4 hour window of being on the ground in Libya.
            Here you go honey, enjoy the facts.

          • hiernonymous

            Okay, that translates into “what I claim to have heard on the radio has exactly no bearing on the conversation, but I thought it sounded impressive.” Fair enough, it’s not dishonest, just a bit of color.

          • Drakken

            You can connect the dots pretty well though, it was a massive clusterfu**. I heard from a Marine who was in ROTA that the stand down order came from the White House, by who? God only can guess.

          • hiernonymous

            I’ve never heard tac chatter that didn’t sound like a goatrope. As far as this supposed “stand down” goes, we’re back to no source and no evidence.

            You should understand that every unit that was put on any kind of standby would have received instructions to stand down once it was obvious that there was no role for the unit to play. What is in question is the idea that a unit that was in position to help was somehow ordered to stand down rather than help, and we’ve yet to see any evidence of that. On the contrary, we know, for example, that an SOF unit training in Croatia was immediately sent to Sigonella, but it’s pretty obvious that the Benghazi crisis was played out by the time it arrived in Sicily.

          • JayWye

            two MOABs would do a better job,and doesn’t need a B-52 that Israel will never have. they don’t even have anything in the Backfire or Badger class.

          • Drakken

            Israel has plenty of artillery, just line em up and start rolling barrages, rinse and repeat as necessary.

          • J.B.

            Since when did jihad become an insurgency?

            TROLLFAIL.

          • Drakken

            If your looking for sympathy for your inbred muslim friends, you can find it in the dictionary between the words sh*t and syphilis. Nice work with the leftist tear jerking propaganda, just one problem, no one is buying it anymore.

        • J.B.

          She probably does “work” for the State Dept. What an unbelievable scumbag.

        • Americana

          Listen, Moonbat Moma, the process of ending all the jihads going on around the world is a long process. They’re not all related other than sharing an identifying name. What I’m interested in is a conclusion to the Israelii-Palestinian contretemps. There is no other reason for the United States to be facing the Palestinian jihad other than the failure to secure a Palestinian state and all your bulling your way past that point without addressing it will not change it. You can try to misrepresent my politics but you can’t misrepresent the actual reality of the situation viz why 9/11 happened and why the Palestinian jihad exists. I’d say there are as many Israelis and Jews who share my opinion as share yours. I’m fine w/being in their company. Somehow I doubt they’re Marxists and other nefarious and shady characters.

          This total bulloney that you’re all selling about the “infidel world” taking on the “Muslim world” because it’s a fight to the religious death is stupid. It’s not militarily feasible to conquer and obliterate and otherwise extinguish the Muslim world, whatever Drakken (The Liar, oops, ‘Lion,’ of Benghazi Free Comms Radio) believes or not and regardless of what military force he’s willing to use. This so-called “global stealth jihad” you keep blathering on about is happening because of internal conditions from war to famine. It’s not like their mosques have been selecting out the best, most jihadi-minded individuals to set up shop in the U.S. and the Western world. We certainly need to solve the world’s jihad problem collectively but, realistically, that means we solve each jihad one by one. Let’s start w/solving the Palestinian jihad first.

          • Drakken

            You can call me any name you want sunshine, it is immaterial and a nice little leftist tactic when losing the argument with pure unadultered emotion, which you have in spades. These leftist commi peace groups in their utopian dream of peace with the muslims in our time, it folly at it’s finest, and if your boyfriend of SA belongs to one of these groups, that makes him a traitor, ask the whites of SA how things are now in that country for a glimpse of what it would be like under arab muslim control. Sorry, but those Jews are not going to go quietly into the night anymore. The jewicidals of any peace group of the west, are nothing but dreaming fools who’s heads would be the first on the chopping block, so if you fall into this group, goody for you, for Darwin always loves a winner, and the devil always welcomes them with open arms and a smile.

          • J.B.

            Thesre is no such thing as a “Palestinian,” islam can be destroyed as easily as every extinct religion was, and you are a jerkoff.

        • BagLady

          There have never been any signs of Israel’s destruction. It has gone from strength to strength since its inception. All this is aggressive rhetoric from an expansionist society.

          • Drakken

            Your still not over there protesting like a good little socialist? What’s the matter? Afraid to put your money where your mouth is?

          • reader

            ‘There have never been any signs of Israel’s destruction.”

            which you can’t say about the United Kingdom no matter what the angle is. Aren’t you proud?

          • truebearing

            Right. Iran’s imminent acquisition of nuclear weapons, combined with its hatred of Israel and constant genocidal threats seems to be a credible threat of destruction.

        • Americana

          Ah, so ObamaYoMama calls down the wrath of the moderators in order to wipe the slate clean of dissenting opinions! What a charmer, you are… I’ll rewrite it, never fear. What punkass behavior. Oh, but it’s not just you, of course, you’re aided and abetted. Advocacy at its finest and most selective.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Ah, so ObamaYoMama calls down the wrath of the moderators in order to wipe the slate clean of dissenting opinions! What a charmer, you are… I’ll rewrite it, never fear. What punkass behavior. Oh, but it’s not just you, of course, you’re aided and abetted. Advocacy at its finest and most selective.

            I don’t know what you are smoking, but it’s not my fault if your posts get canned by the moderators. I can assure you that I don’t have any stroke with the moderators, as I’ve had my fair share bite the dust too. So…you’re wrong again. As a matter of fact, you haven’t been right one time yet.

        • Americana

          We’re not worried about the myriad jihads elsewhere around the world, are we? We’re worried about the one jihad that is facing the U.S. and Israel — the Palestinian jihad. So, whereas you think there’s inherent disaster in following through on a peace plan, I’m equally convinced that there’s as much if not more danger inherent in not resolving the peace process. I guess we’ll see which one of us is correct eventually despite whatever delaying tactics of which you choose to avail yourself. I’m pretty sure your depiction of totalitarianism isn’t even remotely in the cards especially since you can’t even correctly identify the people you’re talking to on line. But I guess, there again, we’ll have to trust to our intellects.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            We’re not worried about the myriad jihads elsewhere around the world, are we? We’re worried about the one jihad that is facing the U.S. and Israel — the Palestinian jihad.

            I know. It’s obvious. You’ve had your ignorance’s and your emotions exploited to the hilt by taqiyya. Indeed, you have so much emotionally invested in it, that it has made you thoroughly irrational. Thus, you couldn’t see the truth even if it stared you in the face and spit in your eye.

            One of the hallmarks of all Marxists is they swallow propaganda like there are no tomorrows, and let me tell you what, you’ve swallowed more than your fair share.

            So, whereas you think there’s inherent disaster in following through on a peace plan,

            The so-called peace plan in reality is non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad, as it is used to not only extract Jizya from Europe and America, it is also used very effective to weaken Israel. Nevertheless, there will never be peace between Muslims and infidels, because there can never be peace between Muslims and infidels. Indeed, as long as Islam and Muslims exist somewhere on the planet, there will always be jihad waged by Muslims aggressively against infidels in the cause of Allah to make Islam supreme, because that is the sole fundamental purpose of Islam.

            So, whereas you think there’s inherent disaster in following through on a peace plan,

            That’s because you are extremely mentally incompetent and as a result exceedingly stupid.

            I guess we’ll see which one of us is correct eventually despite whatever delaying tactics of which you choose to avail yourself.

            We don’t have to wait, You are wrong and you are wrong because you have been rendered mentally incompetent by the amount of taqiyya you have swallowed and because of your unhinged propensity to swallow propaganda like there are no tomorrows. Not to mention that you think with your emotions rather than the rational portion of your brain.

            I’m pretty sure your depiction of totalitarianism isn’t even remotely in the cards especially since you can’t even correctly identify the people you’re talking to on line.

            Okay, Islamic totalitarianism is harsh and degrading dhimmitude for infidels that live under Muslim rule, and Muslim rule is always Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law. Look inside the Islamic world, are the infidels unfortunate enough to have to live in those Islamic totalitarian hellholes free? No, they are harshly oppressed when not being beaten, raped, kidnapped, or slaughtered while their places of worship are being burned to the ground or otherwise blown to smithereens. Apparently, you are unfamiliar with dhimmitude, which explains why you act just like a dhimmi.

            As for as people I talk to online. Look again I didn’t sic the moderators on you, if that’s what you are talking about?

      • nood2

        Do you support violent jihad?

        • Americana

          No, why on earth would I? I don’t believe any of the Israeli peace groups support violent jihad either. In fact, no one I know supports violent jihad except the Muslims who are indulging in violent jihad. So your point is????

          • nood2

            Good to hear.
            God bless

          • reader

            It’s just like Chamberlain, who did not not support Hitler. He just signed off on Hitler’s take over of Czechoslovakia and declared peace in our time. Worked out to perfection, as some of us know. But idiots never learn anything. That’s what separates them from normal people.

          • Americana

            There is only so much one can draw parallels between PM Chamberlain and any Israeli PM opting for peace. The fact is that strategically the circumstances DON’T CHANGE on the ground. The risks and the policing of those risks would remain basically the same for the foreseeable future.

            As for idiocy, there is great idiocy in persisting w/further enhancing the untenable aspects of a political situation that cannot be maintained into the indefinite future while making deliberate attempts to undermine the situation.

          • reader

            “The fact is that strategically the circumstances DON’T CHANGE on the ground.”

            Yes, they do change. For example, after Sharon had given up Gaza, they changed for much worse: Israel basically created an unchecked terrorist enclave constantly threatening her civilians with rocket fire and incursions. Only an idiot can be in denial over this.

      • nood2

        I think that Bibi has been very consistent with our demands.
        Recognition and security, similar to the Egyptian and Jordanian agreements.

        • Americana

          Yes, PM Netanyahu has been very consistent in those demands. But the fact is peace will likely only be initially achieved w/a simple majority of Palestinians signing on. Even if it’s the vast majority of Palestinians, there’s a likelihood there will be some who refuse peace. (The Irish Republican Army is still not disbanded in Ireland but they’ve signed a peace agreement.) Netanyahu lost a brother so he knows all too well what the costs are of perpetual war. There may be lingering discontent but if a peace accord sows the likelihood of true peace, it’s got to be better than simply continuing down this highway of bloodshed and bombings. If Israeli Army veterans are talking of being able and willing to achieve peace, I’m willing to follow their lead. There will always be the capability of defending Israel. The question is whether Israel will continue to do the indefensible.

          • nood2

            Israelis have no other choice.
            The Palestinians are like a chicken bone, caught in Israel’s throat. Israel can’t swallow the bone, nor spit it out.
            Islam will NEVER have a true peace with the Jews today, it’s not in the cards.
            Abbas, on his own, would have been branded an apostate, had he made peace with the Jews.
            Now, as Hamas endorses violent jihad, there is NO chance of anything happening.
            Remember, Israel is in the Middle East, and the ME has it’s own timetable, and not the West’s timetable.

          • Americana

            Israelis have choices, they just may not feel they have THAT choice of peace within their grasp. But I still say there are enough people on both sides who have been affected by the hostilities they are willing to achieve a working peace even if it takes decades for such a working peace to solidify into a real and tangible and permanent peace.

            PM Abbas is one of many Palestinians who are willing to risk being declared an apostate by following through on such a peace agreement. If the majority of Palestinians endorse a peace accord, there’s nothing for the Hamas faction to do but to fall in line. Even if both governments are forced to pursue the intransigent militants for a long time, it’s better to sign a peace accord and thereby isolate the worst militants than allowing those minority militants to hold both nations hostage in limbo.

          • nood2

            I don’t think that you really understand Abbas and Islam’s role in all of this, but remember the ME has it’s own clock and timetable.
            Only 47 years have passed since the 6 Day War.
            Do you understand Hebrew?
            Ein ma la’asot — nothing we can do right now

          • Americana

            PM Abbas is one of those men who straddles a long stretch of the most vicious period of the fight to remove Israel. Oddly, that is what gives me some faint hope that he’s finally willing to come to a peace settlement. I don’t believe that he and everyone else on the Palestinian side is simply performing stealth jihad w/all their actions. Besides which, it wouldn’t change the circumstances facing Israel in any way. Islam’s role in all this? Hmmm, where to begin on the role of a religion that is so intolerant it encourages wars to achieve its own reinstatement rather than rely on proselytization? But even if Islam is intolerant and the source of much strife, there are Muslims who may defang Islam yet. Since Islam will be a continuing presence in the region for the foreseeable future, dealing w/populations who adhere to Islam is something that can’t be avoided.

          • reader

            “I don’t believe that he and everyone else on the Palestinian side is simply performing stealth jihad w/all their actions.”

            And what do you rationalize this with? Empirical evidence is overwhelmingly against your belief. You’re a religious fanatic of a suicide cult.

          • Americana

            The real religious fanatics w/a suicide cult are the folks like Caroline Glick. I’m definitely more of a geopolitical realist than Caroline Glick w/all her glibness about seizing all that territory under the guise of “regional security” and that “it’s the best option since it’s the Israeli option.” Because under whatever guise that land is subsumed into Israel, should that ever become a reality, whether it’s done via the United Nations or by whatever other means, that’s a guaranteed regional black hole. Why? Because by doing that, Israel will have demonstrated unequivocally that she intends to scr*w the Palestinians over **forever,** not to protect herself but to aggrandize herself. And that is something that Islam simply won’t ignore at that scale. It might sort of be tolerable on a smallish scale but, on the really big scale, it’s going to produce a blowup of a ferocity the Western world isn’t prepared to handle.

            So, go ahead and keep pretending that the Israelis can’t trust the Palestinians because they’re Muslim and they’ve said awful, genocidal things. (There are equally genocidal things being said on the internet directed at the Palestinians.) Keep making Islam seem like this terrifying hulking presence that’s getting ready to consume the entire Western world. (There’s a reason why most Muslim countries aren’t highly mechanized. Do you see the Egyptian tank divisions making it to the Gates of Vienna? Yeah, right. They’d have better luck w/camels.) Keep pretending that there are huge cultural differences between Islam’s halal slaughter and Jewish kosher slaughter (sharp knives to the throat is SOP for both). (What’s more, the sheep and goats don’t distinguish between which religion is killing them.) Keep pretending that Muslim sexual slavery is rampant everywhere Muslims go even if it’s plain old prostitution. (This one TRULY STICKS IN MY CRAW because it’s being used in every single possible way, whether it’s applicable or not. Not once has the ransom demand for those Nigerian girls been acknowledged.) Keep pretending that the Muslim world isn’t allowed to develop at its own cultural pace and that we in the West never indulged in our Spanish Inquisition and sundry other depravities like droit du seigneur and slavery and lynching. There is a reason why Palestinians have pursued ever more bloodthirsty militant displays and have targeted more and more vulnerable populations. It’s because we’ve ignored their requests for a Palestinian homeland.

            Israel has nothing to lose at this point in time by attempting to form the Palestinian state it has always said it was willing to form if only this condition were met or that condition were met. The Israelis certainly can’t use the excuse of Islam being their implacable enemy because some Muslim neighbors have said they’ve accepted Israel as a regional presence and have signed peace treaties. Israel has more military assistance ready to come to her aid than ever before in her history so she does not stand alone. But to deliberately court disaster by having public relations mouthpieces pretending that the global jihad is upon ALL OF US in the Western world, Christians and other faiths alike, and that we have no other choice than to fight to the death is not only disingenuous, it’s criminally fallacious PR work. It’s Wag the Dog on a scale that’s beyond my ken.

          • reader

            “But to deliberately court disaster by having public relations mouthpieces pretending that the global jihad is upon ALL OF US in the Western world, Christians and other faiths alike, and that we have no other choice than to fight to the death is not only disingenuous, it’s criminally fallacious PR work”

            Are you a truther? Do you think that 9-11 was an inside job? Yes or no?

          • Americana

            No, I’m NOT a Truther. What on earth have I written that would give anyone the idea that I’m a Truther? (See the post above about the Muslim Million Man March that was organized by a Muslim 9/11 Truther.) My perspective on the BULLONEY underlying the Truther movement is unequivocal. I also happen to think it’s extremely injurious to the historical understanding and appreciation of 9/11.

            Are you a Truther? How can you believe that 9/11 was an inside job by the CIA and the Mosad when there is all the evidence that there is that it was a deliberate act planned over many, many years by al Qaeda? They have written speculation about using planes as bombs from years before the actual 9/11 attacks. No, the Truther movement is a conspiracy theory hatched by NUTTERS. Those buildings collapsed as perfectly as they did because of their structural design. All the evidence that Truthers point out attesting to those buildings collapsing because of sequenced explosions is DENIED by the architectural firm that built the two WTC towers. Yes, it all looks very strange and suspect on video, but there’s nothing any of the Truthers have produced that has not been categorically denied by structural engineers and the architectural firm that designed the WTC towers. Even if there are structural engineers who disagree, the vast majority understand the nature of the 9/11 was inherently capable of doing exactly what it did to those buildings.

          • Americana

            Ooops, **Mossad.** I’ve lost my capability to edit my posts.

          • reader

            I think, you lack elementary cognitive skills, which explains all the nonsense. You deny global jihad and condemn the truthers at the same time. If you’re not a truther, you’re left with the fact that jihadists committed an act of war against the United States. On ALL OF US.

          • Americana

            No, sorry, I think you lack elementary cognitive skills and YOUR NONSENSE is directly attributable to wishing to continue to play a shell game of ‘HIDE THE JIHAD.’ You’re playing that shell game of lifting up one cup while the reality of the 9/11 attacks is hidden beneath under another cup. There were 19 (should have been 20, but one screwed up) Saudi jihadists who committed the 9/11 attacks on behalf of the Palestinians. There was not a COORDINATED ATTACK ON THE U.S. mainland by jihadists from the GLOBAL JIHAD including Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, the Balkans, Sri Lanka, etc. There was a series of 4 attacks at specific targets by Saudi jihadists on behalf of the Palestinians. NO OTHER JIHAD was mentioned in the testimonial videos by these jihadists and although Osama bin Laden mentioned OTHER ASPECTS of Muslim/Western interaction, his PRINCIPAL POINT was that he had sent the 9/11 Saudi jihadists on behalf of the Palestinians.

            Even Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch when challenged multiple times on this whole business of global jihad finally admitted that he knew that we here in the U.S. only faced the Palestinian jihad. I’d say that’s a rather conclusive admission but you’re welcome to make of it what you will. As countries, we need to solve our individual jihads and, of course, prevent any further heading toward the idea of grandiose

            I’ve never disputed the fact these jihadists committed their terrorism against the United States and against ALL OF US. Must you folks always try to play these idiotic games of ‘let’s identify the Truther’ or ‘let’s identify the pro-jihadist’ or ‘let’s identify the thinkers’ and then tell them their thinking is all effed up (despite demonstrating thereby that your thinking hasn’t even left the starting gate).

          • reader

            That’s nice. Another words, if it wasn’t for the “joos”, 9-11 wouldn’t happen. Not only you’re dumb, incoherent and illogical, you’re also a disgusting piece of a bigot.

          • reader

            in other words – just for you, dumb*ss troll. Noone else here needs the pre-school treatment.

          • Americana

            No, there’s nothing bigoted about that post. You’d LOVE to be able to claim bigotry just because there are people saying to Israel, “Time to solve this Palestinian issue, you are putting many at risk.” You’d love to banish the whole reality of that aspect of the conversation but there’s only so much that can be overlooked. I don’t misunderstand the differences between the various jihads and no one else should either. This enormous PR campaign that’s been waged to try to make Greater Islam seem like a juggernaut that’s absolutely decided on a takeover timeframe of the West has been orchestrated in order to pretend that 9/11 wasn’t the final wake-up call for the U.S. This pretense is simply not defensible any longer.

            Unfortunately for the big time anti-jihad sites, Osama bin Laden documented all his thinking and he said in his biggest manifesto “Get out of Muslim lands.” He didn’t follow that up w/stupid calls for taking over all the infidel lands for which these other crazy imams are calling. Despite what other imams have said to inspire the jihadis, we don’t have massive jihad events occurring in Western countries. To try to stretch Muslim rioting into a jihad or to claim that stealth jihad is occurring because of arguments over Muslim headwear is hysteria. To repeat what Osama bin Laden said himself is not bigotry, that’s citing causation. There’s nothing bigoted about citing causation. You want to argue bigotry, you take it up w/the al Qaeda mouthpieces. You want to pretend to hide from the causation of 9/11, fine, GO AHEAD and DO SO but it won’t make it go away. I don’t fault the Israelis for not having solved the issues of Palestinian statehood yet but it’s also true to say that the Israelis have been given a timetable by the events of 9/11 that doesn’t mean they can continue to cripple the formation of a Palestinian state so blaming Pres. Obama for keeping his foot on the gas. Look at the Israeli reaction to the acceptance of the Palestinians as a provisional state entity by the United Nations even though the Israelis were granted superior status. Look at the diminishment some here would insist on in identifying Mahmoud Abbas’ title. He’s not an official PM but he would be if he had a state. Trying to sell the idea to the world community of further theft of Palestinian lands under the guise of the Palestinians being too bloodthirsty to be safe neighbors is farcical because they would still remain neighbors therefore the threat would never be removed. They’d just be even more DISPOSSESSED NEIGHBORS, w/a even bigger grudge.

          • reader

            “You want to argue bigotry, you take it up w/the al Qaeda mouthpieces.”

            That would be you, since you’re excusing islamonazis using their own talking points. Your nick should say Osamabenlada, if you had any integrity – in addition to not having discernible IQ.

          • Americana

            I’m not at all representing al Qaeda simply because I’ve stated that the 9/11 attacks were directed at the U.S. by Saudis acting on behalf of Palestinians. That is NOT EXCUSING Islamonazis. That’s stating FACTS. I’m not going to stand for continued misrepresentation and dissimulation of what the realities are of this situation. Global jihad is what caused 9/11?? Selling that kind of intellectual SLOP to the public is beyond inexcusable. It serves no one’s best interests. It doesn’t even serve Israel’s best interests even if you aren’t willing to admit it. By propagandizing, you are GUARANTEEING that your foolish prophecies about global jihad have more impetus and you are creating more and more animus toward Israel. This reintroduction of the Balfour Agreement is representative of the intentionally inflammatory actions taken by Israel.

          • reader

            There’s nothing factual about this, except the fact that you never read even the 9-11 Report. Oh, here’s a fact: you’re an incoherent Jew hater pretending to be concerned with American interests. Smells of a little taqiyya to me, actually.

          • Americana

            Never read the 9/11 report? You mean the carefully crafted document that doesn’t have the guts to specify some things that might be unpopular truth? If you think Robert Spencer avoids being honest about the Palestinian jihad, that about doubles down for the U.S. government which is in the unenviable position of not wanting to give propaganda power to the enemy. It happens w/every aspect of the government’s dealings w/jihadi terrorism. So what’s fine for Robert Spencer should also be fine for the U.S. government, shouldn’t it be? Skating around the issue is just part of the blame game and the propaganda puzzle and I don’t blame our government for what it feels it must do nor do I blame the Israelis and American Jews for what they feel they must do. However, anyone who reads all the relevant documents about 9/11 would be looking for the causation. Like someone said earlier in the thread, “Believe what the Palestinians and the Arabs say.” If Osama bin Laden specifically said he was committing 9/11 on behalf of the Palestinians, who are you to disagree?

          • reader

            Listen bigoted troll Osamabenlada, regulars here know the facts:

            there’s no such people as “Palestinians” – this people is a KGB invention. Both Arafat and Abbas are documented KGB agents; PLO came to be before 1967, when Gaza and the West Bank had been occupied by Egypt and Jordan respectively;
            9-11 was carried out by Al Qaeda, which had been created by Ben Laden to fight the Soviets;
            Al Qaeda – and HAMAS – are affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood. BM had been created long before WW2.
            The so-called “Palestinians,” i.e., the Mandate Arabs, are treated worse than dirt – particularly by the Saudies. No Saudi will ever do anything on their behalf. Whenever “Palestinian” issue is mentioned, it is all about Jew hate and nothing about the “Palestinians.”

          • Americana

            reader, you can pretend to have read history and everything tells you there are no such people as “Palestinians,” but everyone who’s an ACTUAL READER knows you’re deliberately lying. Many, many indigenous peoples fall into the category of not being currently “nations” in the sense that other nations have become nations. That doesn’t mean they don’t have their natural rights and natural claims to the land they’ve lived on for thousands of years. If the Saudis are treating the Palestinians badly, what does that tell you? That they’re not considered Saudis.

            Talking about a Palestinian state is not about Jew hatred. For all of the Jews and the Israelis I know, talking about establishing a Palestinian state is meant to ensure that Israel doesn’t commit national suicide by failing to allow the world to make legitimate political decisions for another people. Israel doesn’t assure her own claims by denigrating Palestinian claims. This is sociological common sense.

          • reader

            With all the circular logic and nonsense, I noticed something in your endless rant: no mention of Arafat’s and Abbas’ affiliations. Three letters: KGB. Corroborated by several former KGB officers on record.

          • Americana

            The Palestinians are NOT a KGB “invention.” The Palestinians have always been exactly what they are in the region and what they remain today. It doesn’t matter when the Palestine Liberation Organization came to be, that was simply a liberation organization and has nothing to do w/the reality and the recognition of Palestinian national identity. Let’s keep the elements in the Palestinian narrative STRAIGHT and not conflate them all in hopes you can select a date that nullifies all over dates in their national history. As for what the Russians have to do w/it, Osama bin Laden betrayed the Soviets just like he eventually betrayed the Americans w/his al Qaeda group. The fact bin Laden was willing to use the Soviets and the Americans is neither here nor there. As for the Palestinians, I doubt the al Qaeda fighters would have chosen martyrdom for the Palestinians unless they were positive they wished to commit martyrdom for fellow Muslims. That fact alone — that 20 Saudis were willing to commit martyrdom for the Palestinians — confirms the legitimacy of the Palestinians claim of being a dispossessed people. Nothing you can write takes away that legitimacy. Israel has to confront that fact and what she intends to do to rectify the situation by making a binding peace treaty. w/the Palestinians.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            There were 19 (should have been 20, but one screwed up) Saudi jihadists who committed the 9/11 attacks on behalf of the Palestinians.

            That is absolutely hilarious! When I read that, I almost fell out of my chair I laughed so hard.

            By the way, when OBL explained to the infidel world why he masterminded the 9/11 violent jihad attacks he was using propaganda to play on the hearts and minds of you delusional Marxist totalitarian leftists, because he understands very well how to manipulate you mental incompetents. Indeed, he was using the proven tactic of saying one thing in English and a completely different thing in Arabic to Muslims. A technique pioneered to perfection by Yasser Arafat to repeatedly dupe useful idiot infidels like you and Bill Clinton that are addicted to wishful thinking. Don’t believe me? Well then read Raymond Ibrahim’s book The Al Qaeda Reader:

            What do our enemies believe? What motivates their war against the West? What is their vision of the ideal Islamic society? Surprisingly, more than five years after 9/11, there is very little understanding of these questions.

            Despite our tendency to dismiss Islamic extremism as profoundly irrational, al-Qaeda is not without a coherent body of beliefs. Like other totalitarian movements, the movement’s leaders have rationalized their brutality in a number of published treatises. Now, for the first time, The Al Qaeda Reader gathers together the essential texts and documents that trace the origin, history, and evolution of the ideas of al-Qaeda founders Ayman al-Zawahiri and Osama bin Laden.

            This extraordinary collection of the key texts of the al-Qaeda movement—including incendiary materials never before translated into English—lays bare the minds, motives, messages, and ultimate goals of an enemy bent on total victory. Al-Qaeda’s chilling ideology calls for a relentless jihad against non-Muslim “infidels,” repudiates democracy in favor of Islamic law, stresses the importance of martyrdom, and mocks the notion of “moderate” Islam.

            Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of these works is how grounded they are in the traditional sources of Islamic theology: the Koran and the teachings of the Prophet. The founders of al-Qaeda use these sources as powerful weapons of persuasion, reminding followers (and would-be recruits) that Muhammad and his warriors spread Islam through the power of the sword and that the Koran is not merely allegory or history but literal truth that commands all Muslims to action.

            In addition to laying bare al-Qaeda’s ultimate motives, The Al Qaeda Readerincludes the organization’s propagandist speeches, which are directed primarily at Americans, Europeans, and Iraqis. Here, al-Qaeda’s many “official” accusations against the West are meticulously delineated, from standard complaints such as the Palestinian issue and Iraq to wholly unexpected ones concerning the U.S.’s exploitation of women and the environment.

            Taken together, the Theology and Propaganda sections of this volume reveal the most comprehensive picture of al-Qaeda to date. They also highlight the double-speak of bin Laden and Zawahiri, who often say one thing to Muslims in their religious treatises (“We must hate and fight the West because Islam commands it”) and another in their propaganda directed at the West (“The West is the aggressor and we are fighting back merely in self-defense”).

            http://www.amazon.com/The-Qaeda-Reader-Essential-Organization/dp/076792262X

            Even Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch when challenged multiple times on this whole business of global jihad finally admitted that he knew that we here in the U.S. only faced the Palestinian jihad. I’d say that’s a rather conclusive admission but you’re welcome to make of it what you will.

            I would love to see you or anyone else, for that matter, document that very obvious lie.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            I’m definitely more of a geopolitical realist than Caroline Glick

            Not really! You are a mental midget in comparison to Ms Glick. Not to mention that statement also illustrates that you are incredibly delusional as well. Dream on!

          • Americana

            What can I say to you and your delusions viz attempting to persuade the world about those delusions but “YoMama!”

          • J.B.

            G lord.

          • Drakken

            Your leftist, progressive, Marxist utopia is never going to happen and the fact that you throw every leftist/Marxist/progressive organization at us to win the argument shows your knowledge of history, religion and current and past events to be downright Wrong, ignorant, stupid, obtuse and wishful thinking at its worst. Your the reason why wars get extremely bloody, because you ignore the threat until it is at your doorstep and refuse to stomp the threat out at its own doorstep in the vain hope and dream of a peaceful coexist with the enemy is utterly amazing. Time, facts and events are against you and others of your ilk. I used to have sympathy and empathy for stupid people like you and others of your leftist bent, but now I am completely out, and believe that you deserve your fates. for it is well earned and well deserved. When you dance to the fiddlers tune, sooner or later you have to pay the fiddler, and without exception, the Devil always gets his due.

          • Americana

            Drakken, you are a military contractor. You should be a realist about battle plans and military balance of power and population demographics and so on. You tell me how it is you plan on taking your genocidal battle plan up against Islam and winning all in one go because if you start what you are suggesting, there’s no re-set button. You may sound like you’ve got a military grip on the situation but you’re far from sane on that score. it’s not feasible. It’s not sensible. It’s idiocy.

            There are no generals in the U.S. who are practicing battle plans along the genocidal anti-all Islam lines you write about here every day. Why is that? Because those generals don’t consider the world wide jihad to be a real thing in the sense that you consider it a real thing. They know it’s just something that’s been ginned up to deflect from the reality of what some jihads mean. American generals don’t feel they’ve got to commit world genocide to save Western society. Since that is the case, I’d defer to your military superiors because they’re obviously more grounded than you are and they’ve got far more awareness of the tactical situation around the world than you do.

          • Drakken

            War, whether we infidels want it or not is going to come to our doorsteps little girl, the Generals today are political animals that weave to and fro depending on which way the winds are blowing. With Comrade Obummer portraying weakness everywhere he goes, countries all over the med, Africa and ME are looking to get away with anything they can because there will be no response from Obummer. In other words, they no longer fear or respect us. That is why oil/gas/pipelines/shippers are hiring contractors like crazy to protect their assets and they don’t care how its done.
            You might have a little fit over so called genocide, but the muslims sure as h*ll don’t. So you enjoy your delusions, kumbaya, wishful thinking and lets see where that gets you. So you go ahead and depend on people who get their bread buttered by whoever they agree with the most, I’ll just sit here with a bourbon, shake my head and laugh at you.

          • Americana

            Ah, so you don’t know how you’re going to achieve your political manifest destiny of genocide. So you’re not going to tell us all how you’re militarily able to control this situation right now? I say you’ve been given full military power to do whatever you feel you need to do, what is your battle plan? I’m truly interested in how you think you’re going to achieve what it is you’ve written. HAVE AT IT, I’ll be fascinated to hear if you have anything I consider sensible up your sleeve because no matter how many chevrons you’ve got, I think it’s not going to sensible. If a military contractor can’t come up w/a sufficient battle plan to protect all these Western business outposts and he’s interested in committing genocide to keep these jihadists down on the farm, then I’m not going to blame the entire U.S. military for being in the same pickle.

            Pes. Obama isn’t able to control the situation because no one is able to militarily control the situation. Most of what constitutes modern industrial living involves people willingly doing their jobs in a peaceful manner. The jihadists have other ideas. It’s not that they don’t fear and respect us, it’s that they’re WELL AWARE of what the LOGISTICS CHAINS of military reaction guarantees them for time to execute a raid. Besides, it’s not just the military that’s responsible for the security of these pipelines, the oil companies should also have decided to begin running drones of their own up and down the pipelines as security.

          • Drakken

            Well obviously I must doing something right because what we are doing is working. Come on sunshine, come on over and put your theories into practice if you truly believe that they will work. Otherwise all talk and no show shows exactly what kind of liberal progressive you are.

          • nood2

            “There are Muslims who may yet defang Islam”
            That perverted prophet Mo(pbuh) had two laws to define his religion, apostasy and blasphemy, both punishable by the ultimate punishment, death.
            Once you are in it, there is no way out, and once you are in it, you can’t say anything against it.
            Islam does not encourage intellectual debate or questioning of the religion, unlike Judaism.
            I don’t see any change happening soon.
            Remember that Hamas, a pious Muslim terror group is now part of the Palestinian government, so don’t hold your breath.
            Cheers

          • Americana

            These are all very valid point, nood2, but there is a huge amount of internecine unrest over the regimentation within Islam. It might not perhaps be in evidence in some parts of the Muslim world, in other parts, the moderates and the irreligious are ready to dismantle and reform.

            There has NEVER BEEN a human institution that hasn’t undergone reform if it’s perverted and perverse. Islam, just like any other human-engineered piece of sociology w/major flaws will experience its comeuppance. From my perspective, that will happen sooner rather than later especially if several powerful individuals begin to chip away at the flaws. Look at Malala Yusufsai in Afghanistan. Her father allowed her to attend school despite the Taliban insisting that girls NOT go to school. They tried warning all the girls in her village off but Malala and a girlfriend insisted on attending. She was attacked and shot in the head. She survived the attack and was taken to the U.K. where she made an announcement from her hospital bed that the Taliban couldn’t stop her. The Taliban backed down. There is a groundswell of individuals like her in every Muslim country and I see this type of individual activism may be the beginning of a reformation of the structure of the religion. As I say, I base everything on the fact there has never been a human institution that has ever failed to undergo changes if it’s fundamentally flawed. Islam’s protection is the apostasy laws and those are vulnerable if they are made to be vulnerable.

          • nood2

            Wasn’t there supposed to be a “Million Muslim March” on Washington in the last couple of years in support of moderation?
            Only 10 planned to show up, and this was in America, where you are guaranteed freedom of religion.
            Yes, there are stories like Malala’s and yes there is hope, but Islam has not changed in over 1400 years, and I don’t see anything happening anytime soon.
            Don’t go holding your breath, unless blue is your favorite colour.

          • Americana

            I think you might have misunderstood the purpose and the BACKERS of the Million Muslim March. The man organizing this march is a 9/11 Truther who claims that Israel was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. So, although I’d welcome a ‘Million Muslim March’ that intended to have some teeth and start something radically reformational, I’m glad that this particular effort was a TOTAL FAILURE. Can you imagine having a march where everyone was a DENIALIST about the Muslim role behind 9/11??? Worse yet, they had the gall to claim the Israelis and the U.S. government conspired together to blame Muslims??? The idiocy of that man heading up this effort should STILL BE BEING PUBLICIZED!!! This was NOT an effort to show American Muslim interest in moderating and reforming of Islam, it was to shift blame for 9/11 because the American Muslim community was feeling too much heat from “Islamophobia.”

            If there’s another effort in the works to do a Million Muslim March, it’s not going to be a bunch of 9/11 Muslim Truthers who persist in proselytizing ridiculous claims like so much of the most jingoistic of Muslim propaganda media outlets.
            _____________________________________________________

            From the Huffington Post:

            The event, first announced in January, is being organized by the American Muslim Political Action Committee (AMPAC), a fringe group led by M.D. Rabbi Alam, a professed 9/11 truther who has pushed controversial anti-Semitic conspiracy theoriesabout the attacks. Last year, he made a failed bid for Missouri’s secretary of state, and his group has been doing little besides trying to attract national attention ever since.

            AMPAC was finally successful on Thursday, when Breitbart News reported on the event, calling it “tasteless” and including an unrelated picture of hundreds of Muslims praying in front of the Capitol. Fox News later broke from their coverage of the violent military crackdown in Egypt, which has left nearly 600 dead and thousands injured, to give viewers an “alert” on the so-called “Million Muslim March,” and going so far as to note that the total supporters of the event could currently be counted on two hands. A Facebook page for the “Million Muslim March” — which previously showed less than 10 people planning to attend — had been taken down by the time of publish.

            Organizers of the “Million Muslim March” have defended the timing of their event by noting that “Muslim[s] and Non Muslim[s] alike were traumatized” on Sept. 11, 2001. True, but beneath the group’s insistence that the march will be about civil rights, indefinite detention, and “slanderous” statements about Islam, lies a toxic strain of trutherism. That fact led Corey Saylor, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, to tell U.S. News last month that CAIR would definitely not support the event.

            Most groups and individuals have responded similarly, though the event did reportedly receive some backing last month from other truther groups and at least one Pennsylvania tea party organization.

            At the time of the U.S. News report, AMPAC had even changed the title of the event to “Million American March Against Fear,” perhaps in an effort to get more mainstream support. The name apparently didn’t catch on, however, so it looks they’ve since decided to revert back to the more controversial name.

          • nood2

            Thanks for the correction.
            I know that here in Toronto, there have been marches pro Islamic reform, where 10-20 Muslims show up.
            I must have been thinking about them.
            But, let there be an anti Israel march, and hundreds show up and call for “death to the Jews”
            So far, the police have NOT charged them with any hate crimes, as they should.
            I have been looking for the solution to radical Islam, for the last 5 years, with no definite solution.
            Islam is all about supremacy, submission, hate and hostility.
            If I try to defeat Islam with supremacy, submission, hate and hostility, I’m no better than they are.
            Perhaps Israel has the answer in the security barrier, through separation?

          • Drakken

            The only way you eliminate islam is by killing it. No matter how you cut it, how you slice it or how you look at it, it comes down to only one thing, them or us, there are no other alternatives. You might be comfortable living on your knees to islam, your going to have to forgive those of us that utterly refuse to do so. Deo Volente!

          • nood2

            I know, Drakken, that you are probably right, but I don’t see any movement in that direction.
            By the way, I’m Jewish and will NEVER bend a knee to Islam.
            Cheers

          • Drakken

            There will be one way or another a backlash of biblical proportions and it will be soon, not in years. The Europeans are sick to the back teeth of the muslim invaders to their countries. Once the Balkans on steroids kicks off, it will spread every where and won’t die out until islam does. The muslims will continue to riot, kill and rape in the west until one incident opens every ones eyes and then it is off to the races.
            Cheers Mate!

          • ObamaYoMoma

            It might not perhaps be in evidence in some parts of the Muslim world, in other parts, the moderates and the irreligious are ready to dismantle and reform.

            Not only are you engaging in ludicrous wishful thinking again the same way Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and Barack Obama did when they ludicrously declared the Arab Spring, but you are incredibly delusional as well. In any event, to prove you aren’t incredibly unhinged, why don’t you document your insanity above? Excuse me, though, if I won’t hold my breath.

            By the way, so-called “moderates” by definition are blasphemous apostates that per the dictates of Islam must be executed, and that is why the actions of Egypt’s military to oust the MB came at the right time when it did and before the MB could completely consolidate their power. Because all those delusional leftwing Marxist Egyptians in Egypt that were used as gullible useful idiots by the MB to overthrow Mubarak were going to inevitably be executed by the MB the same way the Iranian Mullahs executed the delusional leftist Marxist Iranians in mass in Iran after they hijacked the revolution from them and converted it into an Islamic revolution instead.

            By the way, the only reason that population of delusional leftwing Marxist Egyptians ever developed in Egypt is because the Mubarak regime ruled the country somewhere in between both worlds: the Islamic totalitarian world and the infidel world, and that is how Egypt will be ruled again going forward in the future, despite the best efforts of Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Barack Obama, and the MB.

            There has NEVER BEEN a human institution that hasn’t undergone reform if it’s perverted and perverse.

            There have been tons of them and, as a matter of fact, you are addicted to one called Marxism. Indeed, you are a nut case!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld that’s Conspiring to Islamize America

            http://www.amazon.com/Muslim-Mafia-Underworld-Conspiring-Islamize/dp/1935071106

          • ObamaYoMoma

            But even if Islam is intolerant and the source of much strife, there are Muslims who may defang Islam yet.

            More wishful thinking again. Islam can never be defanged, i.e., reformed. As the texts of the Quran are believed to be the direct verbatim words of Allah (God) as dictated to Muhammad by the archangel Gabriel, and as such it is divine and considered by all Muslims to be absolutely flawless and perfectly just since it emanates directly from Allah (God) who is omniscient. Therefore, Islam’s Quran is always taken in the most literal sense possible by all Muslims, and any mere mortal man perceived as attempting to change just one single word of it would be executed instantly for blasphemy. Not to mention that there is no hierarchical structure similar to the Papacy in Islam to filter down any sort of reformation to the masses even if it were possible. Thus, with the exception of the resurrection of Muhammad, there is no way possible that Islam can ever be reformed, and therefore must ultimately be destroyed.

          • Americana

            Human sociological constructs CHANGE OVER TIME whether they are religions or property rights or marriage. It’s just a fact of human existence. The fact Islam has managed to survive this long without undergoing a substantive reformation process and instead simply split into different sects instead is indicative of the beginnings of this process. Islam is loooonnnnggg overdue for changing w/changing times. The fact it incorporated self-defense mechanisms like stipulating crimes like apostasy and executing apostates because they were internal threats to Mohammed doesn’t change the fact that there is a huge range of Muslim expression in the world, especially in the developed world. There is no support for HARDLINERS among many young Muslims. Look at the Baghdad Blogger who blogged during the Iraq War and who ripped the insurgents to shreds for being Islamist thugs. As for what the structure is within Islam that might foster or impede such a reformation, the fact there is no Papacy may or may not help foster reform. There are many ways reform can come about and I won’t list all the possible scenarios I see. It’s very popular right now on many of these BBs to advocate that the only SUREFIRE WAY to SAVE WESTERN CIVILIZATION is the total and complete destruction of Islam. Sounds feasible when chatted about on a BB, the reality is Islam will never be militarily destroyed and the people who are advocating the destruction of Islam are serving a very specific master. I’m not sure I understand how it is that people can write things like “Islam MUST be DESTROYED” in one post and in another post they whine about the lack of “American military control of the situation in Afghanistan.” The recognition that there are an enormous number of Muslims spread across half the globe doesn’t seem to occur to them that their whole “Islam must be destroyed” scenario is just not feasible. We don’t have the cash to accomplish this nor do we have enough young Americans to be the cannon fodder to counter some cockamamie sociological bullpuckey that’s being orchestrated as a PR campaign.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Human sociological constructs CHANGE OVER TIME whether they are religions or property rights or marriage. It’s just a fact of human existence.

            Oh really? Then why is the ideology you are addicted to, i.e., Marxism, incapable of ever evolving and as a result inevitably fails just like clockwork every time it is tried in only a matter of time. Indeed, the planet is literally littered with failed ex-Marxist totalitarian states, especially on the continents of Africa and Latin America, and now you moonbats are trying to destroy America with your insanity.

            The two most evil people to have ever walked the planet are the prophet of Marxism, Karl Marx, and the unholy prophet of Islam, Muhammad, as they are responsible for creating two forms of totalitarianism that have been disrupting the world and setting it back for centuries now. Indeed, more people have died because of those two extremely sick ideologies by far than from all the other things put together.

          • Americana

            Listen, Lady BooBoo, I’m NOT a Marixst. What is this bullpucky on this web site about this triumvirate of political bogey men philosophies that you’re all so terrified about? It’s as if 95% of you are White Russians or South Vietnamese or Cuban exiles or similar…. It’s spooky, it’s UTTERLY KOOKY and it’s got no bearing on the issue.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Listen, Lady BooBoo, I’m NOT a Marixst. What is this bullpucky on this web site about this triumvirate of political bogey men philosophies that you’re all so terrified about? It’s as if 95% of you are White Russians or South Vietnamese or Cuban exiles or similar…. It’s spooky, it’s UTTERLY KOOKY and it’s got no bearing on the issue.

            Oh…I forgot. Please excuse me, you are a Progressive that lives, breathes, eats, sleeps, and exudes Marxism, but we are not supposed to notice. Please excuse me you Marxist totalitarian leftwing moonbat!

            By the way, there is nothing progressive about Marxism, as it fails just like clockwork every time it is tried. It is just a matter of time.

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          • Americana

            You and your boogeymen. Chew a bottle of Tums and try to subdue those inner demons of yours.

          • Americana

            You are strictly low-rent, YoMoma. Why are you so hysterical and idiotic about what you choose to contest or examine about my posts and why do you keep throwing all these very same concepts at me like I’m vested in them? Oy, they’re nothing to me and your trying to impose such a world view on my posts is YOUR WORLD VIEW, not mine. Don’t avoid the real issues by going off on your freakin’ Marxist tangents every post.

          • Drakken

            Your mouth has been running Marxist themes the whole time you have been here, so your going to have to forgive the rest of us when we take what you have to say with an eye roll and a truckload of salt. You have no bloody idea what your talking about except I feel, therefore I am as a policy positions, facts, logic an plain ole common sense are complete absent from your Marxist utopian moral equivalence screed.

          • J.B.

            You are a full on scum sucking Marxist.

            Why do you commies always deny your affiliation?

          • Drakken

            Islam is islam dumbazz, and where ever islam goes the blood always flows, without exception. Your carrying water for jihadist really is touching if downright treasonous.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            160,000+ dead in Syria (that’s Arabs killing Arabs) demonstrates the total failure of Arab/Muslim culture.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            PM Abbas is one of many Palestinians who are willing to risk being declared an apostate by following through on such a peace agreement.

            Nothing but wishful thinking. Meanwhile, the road to perdition is paved with the wishful thinking and good intentions of moronic Marxists exactly like you. You need to stop thinking with your emotions and train yourself to think rationally instead. In the long run you will be much better off.

            Abbas is not a PM. He’s Arafat’s successor and the head of the Palestinian Authority. The Palestinian Authority seeks to destroy Israel primarily through stealth and deception. While Hamas seeks to destroy Israel through force. They both nonetheless share the same exact goal: the Jewish infidels rendered into harsh and degrading dhimmitude and Islam made supreme in Israel.

            If the majority of Palestinians endorse a peace accord, there’s nothing for the Hamas faction to do but to fall in line.

            There are no true democracies in Islam, as Sharia, which is divine because it emanates directly from Allah (God) is absolutely flawless and perfectly just, it not only supersedes all laws emanating from man, it must also replace all laws emanating from man. In other words, all democracies in the world because they are comprised of laws that emanate from man must be eliminated through jihad and replaced by Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law, and which will also have the effect of ultimately making Islam supreme throughout the world.

            Meanwhile, you are as gullible and mentally handicapped as John Kerry and Barack Obama.

            Even if both governments are forced to pursue the intransigent militants for a long time, it’s better to sign a peace accord and thereby isolate the worst militants than allowing those minority militants to hold both nations hostage in limbo.

            You sound as ignorant of Islam as GWB was immediately following the 9/11 violent jihad attacks when like a loon he declared Islam to be a so-called “religion of peace” and the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims in the world to be “moderate” and “peace loving people” not unlike adherents of faith-based religions, with the exception, of course, of a tiny minority of radical Muslims.

            Then like the unhinged loon he was he announced the so-called “war on terror” against radical Islam and announced his plan to bring democracy to the Islamic world, which inevitably turned into the biggest strategic blunder ever in American history exactly because it was incredibly fantasy-based. Indeed, to everyone other than Muslims, Islam is not a religion but a very rabid form of totalitarianism that seeks to dominate the world, and as such it is no different from Communism and other unhinged forms of Marxism.

            Muslims are not terrorists perpetrating terrorism out of poverty and despair, because of greedy American capitalist imperialism, or because of America’s interventionist foreign policies. Instead, Muslims are jihadists, i.e., Mujahideen (holy warriors), waging jihad, per the dictates of Islam, against all infidels and all religions to ultimately make Islam supreme throughout the world via the eventual imposition of Sharia (Islamic totalitarian law).

            Indeed, there is no such thing as a variant of Islam that is moderate, as a so-called “moderate” Muslim by definition is a blasphemous apostate that must be executed according to the texts and tenets of Islam.

            The problem with your unhinged analogy is you don’t have the first clue about Islam. In Islam there are not “militants”, i.e., radical Muslims, Islamists, or whatever the else you can dream up to call them, as every Muslim is a jihadists in one form or another striving in the cause of Allah to ultimately make Islam supreme. Otherwise, they are blasphemous apostates that per the dictates of Islam must be executed.

          • Americana

            Don’t you DARE attribute your strategic stupidities and analysis about me sounding like Pres. Bush as if I’m anywhere in the camp of declaring “Islam is a religion of peace.” I’m WELL AWARE what Islam is and isn’t. As for some of your ignorance, unfortunately for you, jihadists are frequently undertaking jihad to eliminate the presence of infidel foreigners from Muslim lands. This is the DIRECT REASON why the U.S. was requested to leave our bases in Saudi Arabia because Saudi contains the holiest places in Islam. (Qatar welcomed the U.S. military presence instead.) Sure, jihad might be being waged because it’s a TENET of Islam but it’s ALWAYS got a STRATEGIC BASIS. It’s not simply jihad for jihad’s sake as if its a right of passage for Muslim guys like Israelis having to participate in the IDF. Islam is a religion that terrorizes its foes within and without Islam, but there are Muslims who have been willing to take those risks inherent in challenging Isam and take steps toward peace. As for this whole “GLOBAL JIHAD” BULLPUCKEY, that’s something that all the historical hysterics will have to pay for their sins since they’re leading the U.S. into a blind alley. Yes, there is much talk by big mouth imams (the Crystal Cathedral folks of the Middle East) of forcing all the infidels to convert but everyone and anyone who knows anything and has a role to play in the strategic realities knows that the jihadists are simply IRREGULAR FORCES who can challenge us on that strategic basis for many decades to come. But the likelihood of jihadists taking over the entire world by full-on, straight ahead military jihad or stealth jihad are zilch. It’s simply something that’s been invented by the dramaturge of individuals who don’t want the connections made between certain jihads and certain geopolitical situations.

          • Drakken

            You ain’t been to Europe have you sunshine, the muslims are multiply like cockroaches and in your vast experience you don’t see a problem with that? Please name a muslim majority country that is not a problem? Go one give it whirl.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Odd that Egypt is one of the oldest civilizations in the world,

            and they only recently began to experiment with Democracy – and failed.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            I’m WELL AWARE what Islam is and isn’t.

            To anyone who has read your unhinged ravings, you obviously don’t have the first clue, exactly like GWB, who by the way was also a Marxist totalitarian masquerading as being a conservative. The reality is, however, he didn’t have a conservative bone in his exceedingly leftwing body. Sort of like you. You see Gramsci’s long march through the institutions has already made its pass through the Republican Party. Thus, both major political parties in America, the Dhimmicrat Party and the Republican Party, are really two sides of the same Marxist totalitarian leftwing coin, and that’s why the Tea Party came into being.

            jihadists are frequently undertaking jihad to eliminate the presence of infidel foreigners from Muslim lands. This is the DIRECT REASON why the U.S. was requested to leave our bases in Saudi Arabia because Saudi contains the holiest places in Islam.

            Yeah right, according to you Muslims only wage jihad in response and in reaction to poverty and despair, or greedy American capitalist imperialism, or America’s interventionist foreign policies. In other words, it is only a form of “blowback.” Thus, even the very act of acting in self-defense creates more blowback. Indeed, you sound as mentally deficient as Barack Obama when he made his speech the other day at the military academy. Whatever you are growing in your back room utilizing hydroponics it must be good, please send me some.

            By the way, the GWB administration was only a hair, if that much, less incompetent than the Obama administration, as both Presidents were/are incredibly inept.

            Sure, jihad might be being waged because it’s a TENET of Islam but it’s ALWAYS got a STRATEGIC BASIS.

            It’s not might be waged. It is being waged for one reason and one reason only, to eventually subjugate all infidels and all religions into Islamic totalitarianism via the eventual imposition of Sharia (Islamic totalitarian law) to ultimately make Islam supreme throughout the world. It’s a very rabid totalitarian ideology very similar in many respects to the Marxist totalitarian ideology you are addicted to.

            It’s not simply jihad for jihad’s sake as if its a right of passage for Muslim guys like Israelis having to participate in the IDF.

            Actually, all Muslims are jihadists, as waging jihad in the cause of Allah to ultimately make Islam supreme throughout the world is a fundamental holy obligation incumbent upon all Muslims in one form or another, either violently as in AQ, or non-violently and via stealth and deception as in the millions of Muslim immigrants that have already migrated to the infidel world along with all their excess baggage for the nefarious purposes of mass Muslim infiltration and eventual demographic conquest.

            Indeed, wherever mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage has occurred in the infidel world, it has turned into an unmitigated disaster. As Muslim immigrants never ever assimilate and integrate into infidel society, because to do so would be extremely blasphemous, and blasphemy in Islam, just like apostasy, is a capital offense.

            Thus, all Muslims in Islam are jihadists in one form or another, including the women and children and the elderly, and this is why when Muslims wage violent jihad against infidels they never make any distinction whatsoever between non-combatant civilian infidels and combatant infidels, as there are no such thing as non-combatant civilians in Islamic society.

            Not to mention, that Sharia (Islamic totalitarian law) also supersedes all manmade laws including the Geneva Conventions, in any event, and I’m afraid Sharia makes no provisions for civilian non-combatant infidels. All infidels are targeted and eliminated.

            Islam is a religion that terrorizes its foes within and without Islam, but there are Muslims who have been willing to take those risks inherent in challenging Isam and take steps toward peace.

            Maybe Islam is a so-called religion to you, but for everyone else who isn’t insane like you, Islam is a cult, a very totalitarian cult, since you can’t leave or apostatize from it without being killed and you can’t speak out against it or openly disobey its tenets without also being killed.

            Meanwhile, the only Muslims that have managed to escape Islam did so by migrating to the infidel West. However, every time these ex Muslim apostates attempt to speak out to expose Islam and warn the West, they are branded as being Islamophobes by the Marxist totalitarian left and marginalized within that society.

            As for this whole “GLOBAL JIHAD” BULLPUCKEY, that’s something that all the historical hysterics will have to pay for their sins since they’re leading the U.S. into a blind alley.

            Actually, the reality is that all Muslims have been waging jihad perpetually against all infidels and all religions since shortly after the Hijra in 622 AD, when Muhammad and his early followers were ousted from Mecca and forced to migrate to Medina by the Meccans after Muhammad and his early followers had become a nuisance. Unfortunately, it was this event that led Muhammad to become obsessed with revenge and to reform Islam as a result from what was initially a religion modeled off of the many religions of the time into what is today a very totalitarian cult with the sole fundamental purpose of subjugating all infidels and all religions into Islamic totalitarianism through both violent and non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad and the eventual imposition of Sharia (Islamic totalitarian law) to ultimately make Islam supreme throughout the world.

            Nevertheless, the US’s foreign policy to this day is still operating under the false paradigm as set forth by GWB that Islam is a so-called “religion of peace” and that the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims in the world are “moderate and peaceful people” with the exception of only a tiny minority of Muslims that are “radical Muslims”. Which is why the USA maintains an open door policy to mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage that is in reality non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad for the nefarious purposes of mass Muslim infiltration and eventual demographic conquest. Indeed, this form of non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad through mass Muslim infiltration is astronomically far more detrimental for us relative to violent jihad, but it nevertheless is allowed to continue unimpeded and without any opposition.

            Yes, there is much talk by big mouth imams (the Crystal Cathedral folks of the Middle East) of forcing all the infidels to convert but everyone and anyone who knows anything and has a role to play in the strategic realities knows that the jihadists are simply IRREGULAR FORCES who can challenge us on that strategic basis for many decades to come

            Because jihad, which is holy war, and jihadists, i.e., Mujahideen (holy warriors), are routinely conflated and morally equated on both sides of the political aisles as being terrorism and terrorists, our government, the medias, and for the most part the public at large are focused primarily only on stopping terrorism because it is violent as the primary threat, while at the same time ignoring the much greater threats emanating from very dangerous forms of jihad that take place behind the scenes through stealth and deception non-violently, as in, for instance, mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage.

            As a matter of fact, it can be readily attained through reading your rantings that you are completely oblivious of this latter very hideous form of jihad, which considering how ignorant you are isn’t surprising in the least. And in that regard, the global jihad in many respects is very similar to the Cold War in that it manifests to a very large extent clandestinely behind the scenes non-violently.

            But the likelihood of jihadists taking over the entire world by full-on, straight ahead military jihad or stealth jihad are zilch.

            Which is why they have never pursued such an idiotic and suicidal strategy. Islam obligates Muslims to eventually take over the world by eventually making Islam supreme, but at the same time Islam isn’t a suicidal totalitarian movement. Islamic totalitarian society pretends to be benign when it is weak, and then ratchets up the jihad again when it’s back strong. This latest rejuvenation of the jihad is the direct result of the massive transfer of capital from the infidel west to the Islamic totalitarian world thanks to oil production and narrow-minded politicians.

            It’s simply something that’s been invented by the dramaturge of individuals who don’t want the connections made between certain jihads and certain geopolitical situations.

            It’s simply something all right. Except for coming from you, I don’t think I have ever heard anyone mention something so idiotic, so delusional, and so suicidal before. Congratulations, your ignorance never fails to impress!

          • Americana

            Methinks some of you ought to stick some index fingers in light sockets and hope the shock helps your brains re-set buttons. There’s been waaaaayyy too much overkill on that whole obliteration by nuking concept. If you don’t think so and you’re sure you’re onto something, you need a re-think.

            Yes, the dramaturge coming from you, YoMoma, is spectacular. If there were a global jihad in the sense that Robert Spencer is selling global jihad it would already be in progress. It isn’t. Nothing you say will change that fact. Sure, he can point to all sorts of hadiths and wacky pronouncements from the kookiest of imams but the reality is not what he’s presenting and he knows that. Otherwise he wouldn’t have finally admitted that the U.S. is facing the Palestinian jihad and that’s it.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            If there were a global jihad in the sense that Robert Spencer is selling global jihad it would already be in progress.

            Apparently, not only are you incredibly narrow-minded, not to mention tremendously ignorant of history, but you must also live inside the confines of a leftwing Marxist totalitarian cocoon buried deep underground. Especially since the Islamic totalitarian world has been waging jihad against infidels perpetually since shortly after the Hijra in 622 AD. Of course, it waxed and waned through the centuries and just recently came out of what was probably its biggest lull ever, but nevertheless the global jihad is impossible to miss unless you are exceedingly ignorant in which case you are.

            In any event, there isn’t an infidel state anywhere in the world that borders an Islamic totalitarian state today that isn’t ravaged by jihad. Indeed, just look at what is going on in Nigeria today, where Boko Haram has been slaughtering thousands of infidels for years, and multiply that violence by all the infidel states that unfortunately border Islamic totalitarian states to get the idea of how massive the carnage is.

            Not to mention, take a close look inside the Islamic totalitarian world, can you point to just one Islamic totalitarian state that doesn’t harshly oppress, kidnap, rape, and murder the infidels that are unfortunate enough to have to live in those Islamic totalitarian hellholes while also burning down and blowing up their holy places of worship on a regular and routine basis. As a matter of fact, in Syria today there are literally Muslim slaughter houses setup just to slaughter Christian infidels.

            In addition, all Islamic totalitarian states in the world treat Muslim females worse than animals. Subjecting them to child marriage, female genital mutilation, and stoning them to death for the crime of being rape among other horrible things.

            Moreover, mass Muslim immigration to the infidel world along with all of its excess baggage is really a form of non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad for the nefarious purposes of mass Muslim infiltration and eventual demographic conquest. As Muslims never ever migrate to assimilate and integrate into infidel society, as that would entail them becoming infidels, which in Islam would be a capital offense.

            Indeed, in Europe there are literally thousands of Muslim no-go zones ruled by Sharia (Islamic totalitarian law) where the country’s police forces and fire departments dare not enter. These thousands of Muslim no-go zones are in effect tiny Islamic statelets located inside the host infidel states that in effect are like tiny Hamastans. As a matter of fact, the government of France counted in excess of 700 Muslim no-go zones a few years ago in France alone. Muslims riots that last for weeks on in are a common and routine occurrence throughout Europe.

            Moreover, several European countries will actually become Muslim majority countries starting in about 25 years, and when that inevitability happens the Euroloon infidels will become harshly oppressed and degraded dhimmis at that time. For an idea of how those Euroloon dhimmis will inevitably be treated, take a look inside every Islamic totalitarian state today to see how horrible the infidels living in them are treated today.

            Apparently, your worldview is more than just a little myopic. Nevertheless, if you are too dumb to realize that the global jihad is manifesting full steam ahead, I challenge you to spend just a couple of weeks reading Robert Spencer’s jihadwatch.org website and let’s see if you still feel the same way after a couple of weeks. I think your opinion will be dramatically different after a couple of weeks of reading jihadwatch.org. Anyway, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

            Otherwise he wouldn’t have finally admitted that the U.S. is facing the Palestinian jihad and that’s it.

            That’s the second time you uttered that nonsense, which amounts to being a bald faced lie. Again, I challenge you to put your money where your unhinged mouth is and prove that nonsense isn’t a lie, because I can assure you Robert Spencer never ever did what you say. Indeed, you are incredibly delusional and myopic. Seek mental help for your severe mental disorder resulting from your addiction to Marxism.

          • Americana

            You are deliberately obtuse. No, the Islamic world has NOT BEEN PERPETUALLY at war w/the West since its inception. You can’t count little skirmishes and say that’s indicative of the hostilities simply being put on simmer. For what it’s worth, where there are large Muslim majorities as in Nigeria and other parts of North Africa (thanks to the Arab presence during the slave trade era), there are jihads. That’s understandable in terms of a sociological regional jihad, that’s NOT GLOBAL JIHAD as Robert Spencer would have you think GLOBAL JIHAD operates. Where is the jihad in South America? Central America? New Zealand? Oh, that’s right, those places are undergoing his whole stealth jihad business…. Listen, kid, stealth jihad like that happens w/every single immigration wave there’s ever been. And, yes, Robert Spencer did admit to distinguishing between his wacko concept of global jihad and the jihad we are facing here in the United States. Go ask him and I’m sure we can summon up enough people to ridicule him (rightfully) into a state of reason about the issue if he chooses to pretend to deny he made that remark under the intellectual pressure of otherwise appearing ridiculous. Either you’re SENSIBLE about the strategic implications of the various jihads or you’re not. Either you can genuinely discuss the foreign policy choices implicit because of where jihads are being waged or you can’t. But discussing the Palestinian jihad by talking w/the Indonesian Idealists (joke) isn’t done because they’re two different jihads. Same word, different context.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Where is the jihad in South America? Central America? New Zealand?

            It is manifesting non-violently via stealth and deception through mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage, just like over here in America and throughout Europe. As a matter of fact, non-violent jihad relative to violent jihad is astronomically far more prevalent today, and just because you don’t have the first clue doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. Indeed, you’ve demonstrated already that you are one of the least informed moonbats on the planet and that your knowledge of history is absolutely nil.

            And, yes, Robert Spencer did admit to distinguishing between his wacko concept of global jihad and the jihad we are facing here in the United States. Go ask him and I’m sure we can summon up enough people to ridicule him (rightfully) into a state of reason about the issue if he chooses to pretend to deny he made that remark under the intellectual pressure of otherwise appearing ridiculous.

            In other words, you still can’t document your bald face lie. Spencer doesn’t pretend anything. He just never made the statement you imagined, which, by the way, also demonstrates that you are incredibly delusional.

            But discussing the Palestinian jihad by talking w/the Indonesian Idealists (joke) isn’t done because they’re two different jihads. Same word, different context.

            Regardless of your myopic worldview and mental incompetence, all jihads are waged for the same exact reason because jihad (holy war) is always and only holy fighting in the cause of Allah against infidels to ultimately make Islam supreme. Indeed, it is the sole fundamental purpose of Islam. As a matter of fact, if jihads were waged for the idiotic reasons you stupidly claim, the jihadists would be blasphemous apostates in which case they must be executed per the dictates of Islam. Do me a favor and go fly a kite.

            Again, the so-called Israeli – Arab Conflict isn’t a conflict over land Israel is alleged to have stolen, as that is just a pretext to continue the jihad subsequent to Israel’s revolutionary war that was won by Israel. Instead, the Islamic totalitarian world is waging a perpetual jihad against the Jewish infidels in Israel via their proxies – the so-called Palestinians – to ultimately render the Jews into Islamic totalitarianism, i.e., harsh and degrading dhimmitude, and to make Islam supreme in Israel, and as such the jihad being waged against the Jewish infidels in Israel does not differ in any substantial way from the jihad being waged against the Hindu infidels in India, the jihad being waged against the Buddhist infidels in Thailand, the jihad being waged against the Christian Orthodox infidels in Chechnya, the jihad being waged against the Christian and animist infidels in Sudan, and, indeed, against all infidels throughout the world. You can deny the extent of the global jihad all you want, but it still doesn’t change the reality!

            Not to mention that it is very apparent that the Palestinian taqiyya you’ve swallowed through the years has really done a trick on your emotions. Indeed, that’s what happens when you are indoctrinated to think with your emotions rather than to think rationally with your brain. Oh well.

          • J.B.

            Seriously? You chomo “moderators” are going to delete my comment? Do you scum suckers have no shame???????? Do you even know the difference between moderation and totalitarian censorship?

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Hey moonbat, I’m not a moderator. So up yours!

          • J.B.

            Hey dumbf—. I wasn’t talking to you.

          • J.B.

            Hey dumb@$$, I wasn’t talking to you.

          • J.B.

            You’ve declared that OYM is insane and his polemic is false.

            PROVE IT, TROLLTARD. You are a scum sucking liar who hates his own culture and country.

          • Drakken

            Your denial of reality is stunning in its complete ignorance, in other words, you just can’t fix stupid, not even with duct tape.

          • Americana

            I could make you into a very decorative mummy’s boy w/duct tape, Dreadnought, never fear. My so-called ignorance stands shoulder to shoulder w/the opinions of plenty of Israelis and other Jews worldwide who believe there can be a two-state solution. They can’t all be suicidal or stupid. Especially the really smart ones.

            Is DUCT TAPE why you could hear that Benghazi radio chatter over a clear channel — “Stand down, guys, the cavalry is not leaving the barn” — you’d wrapped duct tape around your radio antenna??

          • Drakken

            Your opinions stand shoulder to shoulder with leftist peacenik groups at live in the surreal world of make believe and denial, your in good company. Let me make this prediction, there will NEVER EVER be a two state solution period! The only ones who are suicidal are leftist useless idiots like yourself who understands nothing of how the real world works and understand even less islam or arab interaction with the western world. Anytime you want to put your money, where jihadist loving mouth is, come on over and put into practice what you preach.

          • Americana

            Yeah, I just knew you’d avoid addressing the whole “I heard the Benghazi “STAND DOWN” order when it was broadcast in CLEAR CHANNEL.” What a balls-to-the-wall liar you can be when you really put your mind to it.

            It’d be pretty hard for those 15-year and 20-year veterans of the Israeli Army and the Israeli Mossad to “not know how the world works,” wouldn’t it? I mean, that’d REALLY, REALLY MESS w/their ability for them to have done their jobs in the Israeli Army and in Mossad if they were stupid and suicidal and if they didn’t understand the Arab mind.

          • Drakken

            I tried to point you in the right direction and you go off on a leftist tangent of utter clueless stupidity.
            Your examples of peace now leftists fly in the face of the brutal reality of it all, and here you are, grasping at any straw to point out how right and righteous you are. You pointing our a few disgruntled, weak and feckless people with an ax to grind, does not make for a majority clueless one. Maybe if your got off your fat lazy azz and actually put it in the thick of things, the reality just might wake you up.

          • J.B.

            Jihad is our fault. You are unbelievaly stupid.

            TROLLTARD.

          • J.B.

            Islam is a terroristic “religion.” All muslims are terrorists.

            AntiAmericana is an OFAtroll. She sucks it for foodstamps.

          • Americana

            I GROW my own food, you idiot. I don’t even know what food stamps look like. As for all Muslims are terrorists and Islam is a terroristic “religion,” those are two different things and they’re not SYNONYMOUS. I ought to put you in touch w/the Baghdad Blogger. He’d set you right since he’s well aware there are pacificist Muslims like himself.

          • Drakken

            It is amusing that you trot out an exception to the rule in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Keep wishing upon those rainbows and unicorns, and lets see how that works out for you. Pacifist like yourself always end up in mass graves because you ignore reality.

          • Drakken

            Complete utter bullsh*t and an outright bloody lie, those inbred fakestinians never have wanted peace and they never will, and here you are singing llalalalalalala I believe in rainbows and unicorns and peace will break out in the land. Your ignorance knows no bounds, but you keep on believing the garbage your shoveling. H*ll will freeze over first before the muslims give Israel any peace.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            “PM Abbas is one of many Palestinians who are willing to risk being
            declared an apostate by following through on such a peace agreement.”

            There you have it in one sentence.

            An Arab “leader” making peace with Israel would face a death fatwa/sentence.

            THANKS Moronicana!

          • Americana

            You think they would consider their own lives to be more important than a significant peace treaty? Any of these world leaders realizes the risks they’re taking when signing something that is controversial. However, the peace treaty between Israel, Egypt and Jordan is still holding despite the assassinations of its signers. They might or might not consider it worth their own lives, nonetheless they had the guts to undertake such a treaty and the treaty is still holding. I’d say that’s a win for peace.

          • Drakken

            Egypt and Jordan are countries, what country is Fakestine again? The reason that peace treaty is holding is because Uncle Suger is dolling out the cash, once the cash stops, so does the peace treaty.

          • Americana

            Do you always get a “D” on your geography and history tests? Of course you’re going to pretend the cash flow from the United States is the only thing holding that peace treaty together. That’s not the case, but as usual you’ll hang your theories on anything that might come off remotely as a possible rebuttal because, otherwise, the treaty is an inconvenient fact. As for the cash stopping to the Palestinians, or to the Egyptians, I’m fine w/that if the cash flow also stops to the Israelis.

            You can pretend all you want that Palestine doesn’t exist. Unfortunately for you, when it comes time for the latest round of Congressional testimony and public opinion on the matter of Palestinian rights and statehood and Israeli rights and statehood, material on these web sites will feature prominently in the national conversation. Everything — from both sides — will be on display for all to see. The evaluation of what is justice and what is injustice and what is falsehood and what is propaganda will be fairly clear even to the uninitiated and those unfamiliar w/the historical events underlying the conflict.

          • Drakken

            There will never be a Fakestinian state, not today, not tomorrow and not ever, no matter what a nice little leftist peacenik like you has to say about it, those rag headed muslims will continue to push for another intifada until Israel takes off the gloves and puts on the mailed fist and says enough is enough, no more muslims, no more problems. Your use of the leftist progressive term justice is a dead giveaway of where your allegiance lies and it isn’t with us in the west. Good luck in your support of the muslim savages, may you get exactly what you deserve.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            You can pretend all you want that Palestine doesn’t exist.

            No it doesn’t exist. It never has and never will. Damn your ignorance and emotions have been so exploited by Muslims that it has literally turned you a mental basket case. Meanwhile, to Muslims there is no difference between you, an infidel, and a Jewish infidel in Israel, as to Muslims all infidels must be subjugated or killed.

          • Drakken

            There will be no peace from the muslim arabs until they are dealt with and that means giving them Carthage. Your wishful thinking is stunning in its ignorance.

          • J.B.

            F you, stupid trolltard.

          • truebearing

            What would you know about defending a surrounded nation? You can’t defend you own arguments.

            You keep ignoring that the Palestinian leadership doesn’t want peace. It wants Israel destroyed. Even if Abbas was willing to agree to a solution, hamas won’t, therefore, no deal. Even you should be able to understand that simple calculus.

          • Americana

            Government is by the majority. If the majority want peace on reasonable terms, you don’t keep fighting the war because there’s a minority that are doing so.

      • Drakken

        Let me help you out with you cognitive dissonance and kumbaya moment, there will NEVER EVER be a two state solution because those bloody wog savages will never ever give Israel any peace period, end of story. The only way Israel is going to have peace with those muslim savages is to killem all and let allah sortem out. Time for a taste of Carthage.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Israel should send the Pal-e-SWINIANS of Gaza and the West Bank to Syria where their brothers who have killed 160,000+ (that’s Arabs killing Arabs).

        • Bean

          like there will be with a ‘one-state’ solution? lmao, what kind of pharmaceuticals are you on? yeah, lets keep our enemies WITHIN our borders. i’ll sleep better that way. heh, what a tool.

          • Americana

            Amazing, isn’t it? The propagandizing that goes on about land rights and this guy isn’t even aware that this kind of seizure talk makes the situation that much worse. Of course, he’s not saying any enemies will be within their borders, he’s talking banishment or ‘vanishment.’

          • Drakken

            The situation already is dire you bloody ignorant dolt, in your make believe world, if Israel just gave the muslims everything they want they will survive, nothing short of total war is going to solve this muslim problem, because that is the only language they understand. Please by all means, if a future Darwin Award winner like you who openly sides with the muslims, perhaps you should go join them.

          • Drakken

            There can be a one state solution without a muslim to be had or in sight. Obviously that went right over your head.

      • Anukem Jihadi

        Netanyahu is no more obligated to be up front about his intentions than the current US administration has felt itself to be regarding theirs towards Hamas which they are illegally funding.
        Having said that he probably will be.
        Go and umpire a 3rd grade soccer match please. The kids won’t like you but you’ll be doing what you were born to do – badly.

      • J.B.

        Psuedostinian interlopers are not indiginous to Israel or anywhere else and giving a fictional ethnicity a two state “solution” would be incredibly unjust and stupid.

        Trolltard.

        • Americana

          They’re not a fictional ethnicity just because there’s a rationale for keeping up that fallacy by certain pro-Israel groups.

          Oh, just FYI, I’m not sure why you endorsed the post up above by bean about him ridiculing the one-state solution where they keep the enemies of the state inside Israel, but you’d better re-read his post. What you signed on to endorse is not what his post means. Need I put the word (troll)TARD after that sentence?

          bean: “…yeah, lets keep our enemies WITHIN our borders. i’ll sleep better that way. heh, what a tool.”

          • Drakken

            Peace at any price and surrender is your mantra, I call folks like you nothing but a statistic and future Darwin Award winners, just like your hero Rachel Corrie.

          • Americana

            I’ve never suggested there should be peace at ANY PRICE but there certainly can be REASONABLE PRICES paid for peace.

            It’s disgustingly inhuman to describe Rachel Corrie’s injuries as you do. Considering you’re risking your life and limbs every day, would you want your own death described in such a way? Demonstrate some compassion.

      • Mako

        “PM Netanyahu has the obligation to pursue the two-state solution as does every other Israeli politician who is elevated to the highest position in Israeli politics as long as they claim such to their negotiating partner, the United States. If there’s been a unilateral decision by Israelis not to pursue the two-state solution, they should make an announcement to that effect and then let’s see whose aid is cut off and for what reasons.”

        The PA claims to want to negotiate but they make no good faith efforts. So why is not their aid cut off?

    • Ken Kelso

      Your correct.
      Why Netanyahu continues to support this Munich massacre financier Abbas I dont know.
      http://www.timesofisrael.com/cash-strapped-pa-spends-4-5-million-per-month-compensating-security-detainees/

      PA spends 6% of its budget paying Palestinians in Israeli jails, families of suicide bombers.
      Hamas terrorist who orchestrated 2002 Park Hotel massacre, in which 30 Israelis died, gets $3,000 a month, Channel 2 reports; bomb-maker jailed for 67 killings gets $1,000
      ILAN BEN ZION
      September 3, 2012

      • Americana

        Didn’t the nascent Israelis support the families of their Irgun fighters?

      • BagLady

        PA spends 6% of its budget paying Palestinians in Israeli jails, families of suicide bombers.”

        I think you mean ‘supporting’.

        • Drakken

          That is 6 % to much.

        • J.B.

          What’s the difference, skag lady?

    • Ken Kelso

      There’s a new petition online which calls on the British government to stop funding these Fatah mass murderers..

      http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/61684
      Re-evaluate Direct Funding to the Palestinian Authority

      Responsible department: Department for International Development

      The Palestinian Authority (PA) currently provides salaries to any Palestinian convicted of committing terrorism offences against Israel. These wages are directly pegged to the length of the sentence, so the more grievous the crime, the higher the salary. Since these wages are much larger than those earned by average Palestinians, they clearly reward violence, including murder, and undermine peace.

      Around 40 per cent of the PA’s budget is made up from donor aid; the UK government has promised £33 million of taxpayer’s money for the 2013/14 period alone. The Palestinian ministers responsible for this policy publicly deride international donors who express unhappiness with their money being used to pay terrorists; only a credible threat of this aid being removed will alter the situation. We are therefore calling on DFID to cease all direct funding to the Palestinian Authority until it agrees to no longer provide salaries for those convicted of committing violent acts against Israel.

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    • BagLady

      Here’s the thing, I don’t think he is actually right wing.”

      You see something further right than Netanyahu? G-d help us all.

      • Drakken

        Your seeing it all over Europe as we speak.

  • chicagotrance

    I hope Caroline Glick isn’t holding her breath waiting for Netanyahu to take any action – she’s liable to turn blue & fall unconscious.

    • wildjew

      That’s right. Caroline wrote: “Congress may cut off funding to the PA despite Israeli cowardice.” Congress will invoke Israeli cowardice to not cut off funding to the Hamas/Fatah government, just as conservative activists invoke Netanyahu’s support for a 2 state solution to justify Republican party support of a 2 state solution.

      • chicagotrance

        Our gov’t. has always been expert at undermining support for Israel since Oslo. I read articles like this & all I have is bitter laughter. I mean, really, who believes anymore that Bibi has balls, he’s afraid of Obama, he’s afraid of the EU, he’s afraid of the Left, even more afraid of the Right.

        • Americana

          PM Netanyahu isn’t afraid of the U.S. or the EU. He’s afraid because he’s got few and far between choices. That’s what he’s afraid of — the limited number of opportunities to get this right.

          • chicagotrance

            You might want to read an article by Martin Sherman in the Opinion section of the Jerusalem Post this weekend.
            The title is, ”Into the Fray: The Wages of Indolence, Impotence, & Incompetence.”
            I agree, the options are all lousy. But, an unilateral withdrawal is among the worse, just as bad allowing a Palestinian State in Judea & Samaria.
            This is no time to have an indecisive wimp as PM.
            By the way, as a wise man said, ”all politics is local” & thus, most of the ”pressure” on Netanyahu is from our mentally deranged Leftist morons.

          • Americana

            What do you see as the long-term solution? I didn’t get the impression that the latest 2-state solution envisioned by PM Abbas involved any unilateral withdrawal but an exceptionally slow withdrawal taking place over several years. it seemed like this plan would allow for Israeli emergency military measures to be quickly implemented if need be. At any rate, I will try to read this article right now.

          • chicagotrance

            Solution is the wrong word, conceptually. There is no solution. There are only outcomes.
            My preferred outcome is annexation of Area C & B & the expulsion of Abbas & his PLO terrorists. Area A which contains 95% of the Arabs can have limited autonomy at the municipal level. No PA. No citizenship. The security barrier stays in place. The border with Gaza would be closed, nothing in, nothing out. Judea & Samaria would be disarmed, no Arab security forces. Hamas & other Islamist crazies must be apprehended & deported & this, of course, includes imams who incite in any way.

            The world will scream & yell for a while & we have to be ready to take the heat. It will eventually die down.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            It’s not just Israel that is dealing with Islamofascism.

            It’s the entire World.

            The reason there are checkpoints at every airport in the world is due to the fight against G-dless Islamoascism and socialsim.

          • American

            Since when have socialists begun blowing up airplanes? Let’s not pretend to hide something behind something else.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Korean Airlines – KAL 007.

            OTHO socialists, “progressive” support islamofascism and implicitly Islamofascist terrorism.

          • American Patriot

            They have committed many atrocities like the Lod Airport (now Ben Gurion Airport) massacre in Tel Aviv in 1972. The PLO and the Japanese Red Army were responsible for the attack.

          • Americana

            Listen, American Patriot, that airport attack was a Palestine Liberation orchestrated operation if ever there was one… Besides, even if there is participation by another entity, it doesn’t fundamentally change the fact that the attack you mention were designed by Palestinians, ergo, the Palestinian jihad is the causation.

          • Americana

            Things like the security barrier remaining in place, absolutely. The border w/Gaza I’m not sure I agree with. Are you saying that’s such a hotbed of insurrection, it would never quiet down, plus it’s in the wrong location so it must remain secured in a lockdown for the foreseeable future? I’d have to look at a map to remember the letter designated areas and see what I thought of your choices. I don’t believe that is enough as you’ve stipulated it and that solution would continue to fester. No citizenship, really? No state? Exactly what is that meant to accomplish? I don’t believe the heat would ever die down if this were done because it’s too similar to what the situation is now. (Off to hunt down a map w/the letter designations.) But you’re right on the terminology…

          • Drakken

            Long term solution you ask? Give Gaza the Carthage treatment and take the entire West Bank, anyone who resists? Send them to meet the devil(allah). It will send a very nice message to the rest of the Arabs if you attack, you lose territory.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            This awful deal that the Obama administration setup to trade an AWOL/traitor 5 Talibanazis, and the Islamic prayer of thanks to Satan by Bergturds father at the White House, will hopefully be the act that FINALLY discredits Obama.

            Obama needs to ask for forgiveness from the American people for his shameful action.

      • chicagotrance

        We’ll be lucky if Netanyahu doesn’t pull a ”Sharon” on us & just do an unilateral withdrawal from most of Judea & Samaria & leave it to Hamas, a big Gaza.

    • HamBaconEggs

      I think it’s offensive that you would ever discourage a rabid Zionist from holding her breath until she passed out.

      • pfbonney

        Spoken like a true bigot. You must be a part of the political left.

        • HamBaconEggs

          Oy, it’s a textual holocaust, it is! Somebody resurrect Simon Wiesenthal! (And yes, I am a proud democratic socialist who despises Zionism and other forms of jewish supremacism.)

          • pfbonney

            But I bet you proudly and enthusiastically supports black and brown and Muslim supremacism, such as racial preferences, no?

          • HamBaconEggs

            No, I don’t support any sort of fanaticism or supremacism. Which is precisely why I don’t support “Israel.”

          • pfbonney

            Your initial comment smacks of fanaticism to me.

            But good to hear that you don’t support racial preferences, a big thing here in the States.

            I don’t believe you. But its still good to hear it.

          • HamBaconEggs

            Mmm, fanaticism would be wishing that her breathing wouldn’t resume. In reality, her autonomic nervous system would eventually compel her to resume breathing again.

          • pfbonney

            Yeah whatever you say, there, guy.

          • HamBaconEggs

            Hey, take it up with hundreds of millions of years of evolution! Or Yahweh. Take your pick!

          • pfbonney

            What does THAT have to do with anything?

          • iluvisrael

            May the miraculous and thriving land of Israel continue to be a thorn in your side for eternity!

          • American Patriot

            Then you are both a Communist and a Islamic monkey. Good job…..not!

        • ezpz

          He’s a david dukester.
          A few bans ago on another site, his avatar was a swastika.

          • pfbonney

            Thanks! It figures.

            The left have always enthusiastically supported any bigotry that gives their cause horsepower, while loudly and self-righteously denouncing any “bigotry” (real or perceived, and usually, the latter) that costs them power.

            His “Oy” is characteristically British, I note.

            I can’t wait until this real bigot gets banned here.

          • HamBaconEggs

            Who was it again that said, “If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth”? Some rabbi, I think.

          • pfbonney

            Hitler said that. And Hitler wasn’t a Rabbi.

          • ezpz

            Oh snap!

          • HamBaconEggs

            Oy, did your yarmulke fall off?

          • ezpz

            No, my sheitel.

          • HamBaconEggs

            Oh, pardon me, Miss.

          • HamBaconEggs

            Maybe not. Though more than a few prominent rabbis have espoused his world view:

            “One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.”
            -Rabbi Ya’acov Perin

            “Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.” -Rabbi Ovadia Yosef

          • pfbonney

            If people would leave the Jews alone, they would leave others alone.

            I can understand their frustration.

            At least Jews don’t believe in evangelizing by the sword, as do the Muslims they are complaining about.

          • iluvisrael

            Your idol $hitler said it – betcha got a poster of him above your bed so you can whack off to der fuhrer, you toothless inbred trailer turd.

      • iluvisrael

        happy eternal nakba haji!

      • American Patriot

        And you are a rabid Islamist monkey who supports Islamist jihadism.

  • Johnny Palestine

    if Israel ever stops lending military support to Abbas’s forces,

    WTF?????

    The Knesset isreally stupid to sanction such a thing.

    I am sad to say I once met Bibiabozo.

    Israel`s problems are due to its duplicit politicians who are slaves to its central bank, The Bank of Israel, “founded“ in London in 1902, originally called the Anglo/Palestine Bank. It is now owned by Rothschild.

    US has the same problem, although Rockefeller is most likely the owner or almost, by now.

    Bibiabozo is as disgraceful as Olmert,Sharon, Golda and Munchkin Man Barak were all duplicit whose actions are responsible for the deaths of some of their bravest soldiers.

    Apoligizing to Erdogan, making secret deals to withdraw from the Golan, are treacherous.

  • Jeff Ludwig

    Brilliant analysis. Thank you Mrs. Glick for your moral clarity and analytical powers.

  • Gee

    This entire enterprise has been a farce since the beginning. The very idea that there can ever be peace with an enemy is delusional.
    Nobody can ever make peace with an enemy. Only when they are former enemies can they be considered for peace.
    For 20 years we have done a lot to create peace, but it takes two to tango. When only one side is interested in peace there will never be peace. There is no room for another Islamofascist terrorist regime on our lands.
    Peres and company should be retired and ignored. End the stupidity and appeasement.

    • nood2

      Peres sill believes that Islam is a religion of peace.
      Fact, right now, he and the Pope are having a kumbaya meeting with the Muslims in the Vatican.
      How has all this inter faith stuff worked out so far?
      The body count keeps going up and up.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Funding the so-called Palestinians, which are the proxies of the Islamic totalitarian world, in essence is not only funding the jihad being waged against Israel, but it also amounts to shooting ourselves in the foot as well because besides the Jewish infidels in Israel, the Islamic totalitarian world is also waging jihad both violently and non-violently against all infidels throughout the world.

    Indeed, AQ is an example of a group of jihadists dedicated to waging jihad violently, and the millions of Muslims that have already migrated to the infidel world for the nefarious purposes of mass Muslim infiltration and eventual demographic conquest, are an example of non-violent jihad waged through stealth and deception. Indeed, it is this latter non-violent form of jihad that represents the by far greatest threat to the infidel world today. Especially because our politicians on both sides of the political spectrum are so utterly oblivious.

  • SoCalMike

    Sadly no matter what Congress does, the US State Dept is a hive a traitors in bed with Islamic Jihad and the Muslim Brotherhood.
    Any reform to US foreign policy has to start with taking a pitch fork into Foggy Bottom and rooting them out one by one.
    The body won’t get well until the malignant tumors have been removed.

    Even if we survive malignant Obama, the stain and poison of his mindset infests the American Left in general and the State Dept in particular.

  • Webb Cook

    It won’t be long until Hamas is again throwing those they’ve wounded for not agreeing with them to their deaths off the tops of the hospitals they’re in. That’s the kind of peace partners they were with their brothers in Fatah. I can’t wait.

  • herb benty

    When Hamas sends rockets into Israeli communities from Hebron or Ramallah, Netanyahu will act. There won’t be “palestinians” any longer. Netanyahu is a warrior, but he has to make sure first that there can be no way he can be accused of being a “war-monger” or “impatient”. Or what other stupid label the left drape over his DEFENCE of his people. Israel will act and the evil, spoiled-rotten, genocidal “palestinians” will be sorry. Stop sending money to the damn PLO/Hamas, all you’re doing is buying munitions to attack Israel.

  • Anukem Jihadi

    Tax collectors are always hated so this would seem to be good sense.

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  • JayWye

    Maybe Israel should begin deducting penalties from the foreign aid coming to the PA,to cover the costs for defending against PA attacks from Gaza. Charge them for every missile and mortar round fired into Israel,the cost of Iran Dome missiles to knock them down,from Gaza or any other PA territory. Make them responsible for their attacks,financially. If the US and Euro nations don’t like that,they’ll cut off the funds to the PA,,or demand the PA stop their attacks on Israel.
    Either that,or next attack from Gaza,this time,FINISH them off,no more threat from Gaza,no matter what the US or Euro nations say or do. No more ceasefires,no half-done job. Nothing but total surrender being acceptable. Build some MOABs and use them. Make CERTAIN you get the deep tunnels and bunkers,where they keep their missiles and leadership during combat ops. Stop worrying about civilian casualties,since HAMAS fights from among their own civilians,it’s OK with them. They sure don’t care about Israeli civilian casualties.Stop playing “circle-jerk”.

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  • Americana

    Some of those peace groups are Palestinians and Israelis. Do I need to point them out?