Fighting Without Silver Bullets

f140419ns85-1-e1405849325482Originally published by the Jerusalem Post

Hours before Israel accepted the Egyptian-brokered cease-fire deal on Monday night, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu traveled to the south to try to allay the fears of area residents.

It’s not at all clear how successful he was.

Residents of the communities bordering the Gaza Strip who evacuated their homes are skeptical of the IDF’s claims that it is safe for them to return.

In an interview with NRG website, Yael Paz-Lahiany, a mother of three young children from Kibbutz Nahal Oz just across the border from Gaza professed profound confusion and concern.

“I really don’t understand what is happening here and don’t know what to think. Just on Saturday we had 10 red alerts at Nahal Oz and I don’t know what to say. I also don’t understand what the prime minister said [Saturday].

I just know that I am staying at Kibbutz Dorot, and here too they are operating on emergency footing, the nurseries are only partially open, and no one is going back to normal. So if 10 kilometers from Gaza they haven’t returned to their routine, how are we supposed to go back to our lives 800 meters from the wire?” Israel’s operations in Gaza so far have been based on the hope that Hamas can be convinced to stand down.

Israel has destroyed its tunnels. The IDF killed hundreds of Hamas terrorists. The IDF destroyed Hamas’s bases.

Hamas’s missile arsenal is depleted. Its leaders are safe only so long as they remain hidden in their illegal bunkers under Shifa hospital. Hamas remains cash strapped and without access to resupply from Iran or other allies.

Assuming that Hamas maintains the 72-hour ceasefire that it requested, in negotiations that may ensue for a more detailed cease-fire agreement if the US is unable to coerce Israel and Egypt into agreeing to open the borders and save Hamas, Hamas will be destroyed through attrition.

If this happens, Israel will have won a great victory.

But if Hamas continues to attack southern communities at any level Israel will have no choice. It will have to send its forces back into Gaza with the mission of retaking control there.

There is only one thing worse than reasserting Israel’s military control over Gaza: Losing southern Israel. So long as residents of the south fear returning to their homes, Israel is losing southern Israel.

This looming prospect of having to retake Gaza would be bad enough if Israel only had to concern itself with Gaza. But Israel enjoys no such luxury.

Far more dangerous than Hamas is Hezbollah. Whereas Hamas’s missiles are unguided, Hezbollah has guided missiles that are capable of reaching every centimeter of Israeli territory. And their payloads are big enough to destroy high-rise buildings.

Unlike Hamas, Hezbollah has anti-aircraft missiles and anti-ship missiles capable of disrupting air and naval operations.

Hezbollah has drones that it has launched successfully.

And the possibility that Hezbollah has some level of unconventional weapons cannot be ruled out.

Hezbollah commanders and fighters have gained massive experience fighting in Syria and Iraq. They have sophisticated intelligence gathering capabilities including human intelligence and signals intelligence assets.

They have advanced command and control systems.

And by all accounts, Hamas’s terror tunnels are nothing in comparison to Hezbollah’s extensive network of tunnels that run beneath the border with Israel.

Hezbollah’s announced war plans involve invading and taking control over communities in the Upper Galilee.

In the face of Hamas’s repeated aggression in recent years, many Israelis are now looking wistfully at our quiet northern border. It was the massive destruction Israel wreaked on Lebanon during the 2006 war, they say, that is responsible for this tranquility. We deterred Hezbollah.

Unfortunately, this is dangerous nonsense that bespeaks a fundamental refusal by those that express this view to reconcile themselves with the nature of Hezbollah and its decision making process.

Hezbollah’s decision to go to war in 2006 was made in Tehran, by Hezbollah’s Iranian masters. The decision not to go to war since has also been made by Tehran.

Tehran decided to deploy Hezbollah to Iraq and Syria.

And Tehran will decide, based on its own sense of priorities, when Hezbollah and its massive arsenal of terror should attack Israel.

The only way that Israel’s operations in 2006 have impacted Hezbollah’s future aggression is by enabling it. Israel agreed to a cease-fire that enabled Hezbollah to rearm, reassert control over southern Lebanon and expand its influence over the Lebanese military and state. Had Israel routed Hezbollah in 2006 or refused to accept the pro-Hezbollah cease-fire terms embodied in UN Security Council resolution 1701 then the situation would be different.

This brings us to Iran, the hidden hand behind the 2006 war, and at least to some degree behind the present war with Gaza, and the direct threat that it constitutes for Israel.

Last month US President Barack Obama bought himself and Iran four more months. Iran can continue to develop its nuclear weapons until after the US midterm election unconstrained by international scrutiny.

Obama can pretend for four more months that he is going to achieve a nuclear deal that will prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons.

Israel however, was not given four months.

Without the Iranian nuclear umbrella, Iran’s terror proxies in Gaza were able to develop weapons to attack nearly the entire country. What will they develop if that nuclear umbrella is instated? Prime Minister Netanyahu is correct. Iran’s nuclear weapons program is an existential threat to Israel. And it needs to be wiped out.

Given the threats from Lebanon and Iran, it is clear that Israel’s decision to try to limit its operations in Gaza was necessary. Israel cannot afford to tie its forces down indefinitely. And if Israel is forced to retake control over Gaza, it will need to deploy its forces in such a way that it maintains sufficient reserve capacity to handle Gaza, Lebanon and Iran simultaneously.

This would be challenging enough under the best of circumstances. Unfortunately, the situation is made all the more complicated by the Obama administration’s strategic aim of appeasing Iran by enabling it to develop nuclear weapons and by siding with Hamas against Israel and the US’s traditional Sunni Arab allies.

The administration’s unswerving devotion to this policy aim was again clarified on Monday when Palestinian sources at the Cairo talks told the media that the US had again joined forces with Hamas-supporting Qatar to achieve an alternate cease-fire, undercutting Egyptian efforts and giving Hamas reason to walk away from the table.

Just last week the US media lambasted Secretary of State John Kerry for supporting Hamas against Israel in cease-fire negotiations. The fact that the Obama administration continues to act in this manner suggests that it is completely committed to this course of action.

Israel can cope with all of these challenges and surmount them. But it won’t be easy.

In recent days a spate of government ministers and foreign supporters have recommended bevy of options that involve getting someone else to deal with Hamas for Israel. Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman said Monday that Gaza should become a UN mandate.

Justice Minister Tzipi Livni and her colleagues on the Left, joined by former Bush administration deputy national security adviser Elliott Abrams say that Fatah can be brought into Gaza to fight Hamas for Israel.

These suggestions are all based on wishful thinking and an extraordinary capacity to ignore reality.

The UN is institutionally committed to delegitimizing and ultimately destroying Israel.

Fatah can only come into Gaza after Hamas has been destroyed completely and driven from leadership by Israel.

Under any other circumstance, Fatah will collaborate with Hamas against Israel, as it has always done. And if Hamas is routed and destroyed Fatah would only destabilize the situation.

The time has come for us to recognize that there are no easy answers for Israel. IDF operations in Gaza in recent weeks have dealt a harsh blow to Hamas. Perhaps the terror commanders have been deterred. Perhaps not.

Whatever the case may be, if Israel and Egypt are able to continue to block US attempts to open the borders for Hamas resupply until Kerry gets swept up in another major crisis, then Hamas can be defeated through attrition.

If not, then Israel will have no choice but to retake control of Gaza while maintaining enough forces in reserve to respond to a second front in the North, and finally end Iran’s dream of becoming a nuclear power.

There are no silver bullets. The price of freedom is hard work and vigilance.

Only if we act in full cognizance of the gravity of the moment and the absence of easy answers will we navigate the minefield we find ourselves in successfully and restore the safety of the south, the north, the east and the center of the country. 

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  • tickletik

    This is the worst article I have ever read from Caroline. She is like a decent woman who is desperately trying to convince herself that her abusive husband “just made a mistake” or that when she hears womans laughter in the background of the phone when he calls her to tell her he’s “working late”, that it must be a coincidence.

    No Caroline, this is not a victory. It is not a victory because this war was not about taking territory. Hamas always knew they would never be able to achieve that. The best they could hope for was to hold on even under the worst provocation. That is exactly what we have given them. What we have given them is legitimacy. We have proven to the world that these tactics work.

    Netanyahu had the full backing of the people. We will never ever find ourselves in a position more justifiable than this. You know what? That’s exactly the problem right there. We elect leaders who think they need to justify what they do. In many ways that is actually worse than losing this war. We are giving up our own integrity.

    There is only one possible upside to any of this, and that is if the right wing segment of the population finally admits to itself what it has known in it’s heart for a long time now. That Netanyahu has consistently betrayed us for quite some time now. That this politician is no leader and must not be allowed to remain in office. Not under the Likud banner at any rate. It’s time to stop rationalizing and looking away from the truth.

    The truth is more territory has been handed to the PA under this man, than under any other prime minister.

    The truth is this man says one thing to us when he runs for office, and then proudly does the opposite when he gets into it.

    The truth is this man talks tough, and he probably is tough, but his interests are not the interests of the people who elect him. I don’t pretend to know what his interests are, and I suspect that at this point no one else knows either, and that is exactly the problem. It is impossible to believe a single word that comes out of his mouth.

    Sometimes when an enemy insults you, you should listen.

    If the one thing we achieve is to finally throw this man out of the party then this war will have been worth it.

    No, I’m not joking or exaggerating. The man is and always has been a disaster. It’s time we woke up to that and realized he’s a con job.

    Get rid of him. Give him a nice pension and a nice house and speaking engagements for 1000$ a minute if you like, but do not allow him back into office again. You have a vote, you have a voice, stand up and use it for something.

    Even if the next clown we elect is also a disaster at least we can say we tried. If we keep throwing out weak treacherous prime ministers, sooner or later we might actually find one that resembles a man we can pretend to be proud of.

    Because I have to ask all of you, are you feeling particularly proud now? The soldiers were as dedicated and fired up as it can possibly get. Do you think they are feeling victory? For heavens sake, you all KNOW, you KNOW that we are simply going to have to go right back down there and do the same thing in at most two-three years.

    Like I said, this is effectively the same as betrayed woman who desperately tries to convince herself that everything is fine because she simply doesn’t have the guts to confront the fact that her husband is making a total fool out of her.

    • Texas Patriot

      There is much truth to what you say here. For all his bluster and bravado, it is clear that Netanyahu is not the incisive analyst and decisive leader that Israel requires in this situation.

      • IslamDownpressesHumanity

        How would you have stopped the rocket fire and terrorist tunneling again?

        • Texas Patriot

          IDH: How would you have stopped the rocket fire and terrorist tunneling again?

          A “protective edge” consisting of all lands which had been used to dig tunnels into Israel could have been seized and confiscated under the doctrine of forfeiture, with all potential terrorists, combatants and noncombatants alike, permanently removed from those lands. Otherwise, a more concerted effort could have been made to locate and capture Hamas leadership and to spare innocent civilians. For example, if Hamas leaders were known to be using hospitals and UN centers, commando squads with full air and ground support could have been used to go in and capture or kill the leaders responsible for the aggression.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            What “artillery barrages” would those be?

          • Texas Patriot

            Naval cannon, tank-mounted cannon, mortars, and free-standing field pieces would probably be the best examples of the least accurate and most imprecise forms of bombardment that have been used, thus far, in this conflict.

          • Drakken

            Arty, rockets and mortars are a very precise intruments these days.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            I don’t think Israel used artillery in this latest conflict. I’ve never heard mortars referred to as artillery pieces either.

          • Drakken

            You have been told how that works and you choose to ignore it, it is a simple matter of will to do what needs to be done, to getter done.

          • Drakken

            More half azzed measures! Christ, what is it going to take for you effing people to get it.

          • Texas Patriot

            Drak, it wouldn’t be regarded as a “half-hearted measure” if Israel seized, confiscated, and expelled all potential aggressors from a protective edge of land around the entirety of Gaza and simultaneously took out the entire leadership of Hamas, while keeping civilian casualties to an absolute minimum. Believe it or not, the wholesale killing of innocent civilians does not serve Israel’s cause, and at this point must be avoided if at all humanly possible.

          • Drakken

            You cannot make war a nicer gentler action, it doesn’t work that way, you either go big or go home, when you have an entire population of muslims that want you dead and gone, its all academic.

          • Texas Patriot

            D: You cannot make war a nicer gentler action, it doesn’t work that way.

            But you can make it smarter and more effective. If the absolute certainty forfeiting a portion of land doesn’t deter further aggression, nothing will. The unnecessary killing of innocent civilians should always be avoided.

          • Drakken

            In war, there are no innocent so called civilians. When you have an entire population of people wanting you dead and gone, they are as open season as the guy with an AK. That is how you win with these savages, anything else is an exercise in futility. The arab muslims don’t care how many bodies it takes to accomplish their goals, that is why you have to killem enmasse to convince them otherwise.

    • Webb

      Just so you’ll know I’m not a troll come pimping around the edges (they will come), I have served 7 times as a volunteer in the IDF. You reflect my feelings. Several days ago I read on Debka where the IDF asked the US if they could use emergency stores of US small arms ammo stored in Israel. If this is true, then it would indicate that the US keeps the IDF on an extremely short tether by regulating the IDF’s ammo supply. This doesn’t seem possible to me, but maybe it is. Why else would Debka report it? Maybe IMI can’t produce but a fraction of what the IDF needs when operational. Something has to explain why the IDF only goes so far and then stops cold and pulls out almost completely. I’m not writing this in support of Netanyahu. If it is true that the US limits his ammo supply, then he should say so. I know from firsthand experience that the IDF is comparatively truly dirt poor. Plus, a tiny nation can’t literally draft almost its entire graduating high school class every year to serve fulltime in the military for 3 years for boys and 2 years for girls, without impoverishing itself.

      • tickletik

        Yes, this situation is a disaster for us and our friends in the States.

        It puts our friends under strain when they try to send us aid, and it puts us at the mercy of our enemies when they demand conditions in return for that aid.

        It’s a bad idea. We have to cut it off ourselves, because our enemies are using it as political club against both us and our friends.

        • Webb

          And sure enough, old vile smelly Americana is the first troll to show up.

      • Americana

        The U.S. maintains an ARMS DEPOT so that Israel WILL NEVER run out of ammo. The U.S. resupplies Israel whenever Israel asks for resupply. The U.S. does not “limit his ammo supply” and thus allows PM Netanyahu to order his forces to achieve X-Y-Z objectives only to stop them at X-objective. The U.S. supplies Israel w/whatever she needs whenever she requests it. There has to be a built in margin for low supply otherwise Israel would run the risk of being overrun. The point is though that the U.S. maintains a munitions depot in Israel specifically to replenish Israel’s ammo.

        • Habbgun

          The white trash opinion is now over. We now continue with our regular scheduled programming.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            I’d surmise she’s a lying muslimah.

          • Habbgun

            Nah, she’s pretty open about that. She’s a communist Brit who sometimes says she is American born and bred when it helps to trash the USA. In some ways that is far worse. She takes the side of Jihad just because she was taught to hate those Leftists love to hate. At least Jihadists have a real side.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            Of course muslims would never consider lying about something like that.

          • Habbgun

            No but they wouldn’t be this elaborate. They tell you what they mean. I will kill you infidel.

            Americana is a leftist. She’ll say your life functions are unsustainable given your pattern of unaccepted religious doctrines that are incompatible with the decidedly true tenets of

            She’s not a Islamist. They don’t want her.

        • Webb

          How do you know whether or not the US limits his ammo supply? You don’t know enough to pour pizz out of a boot — with the instructions written on the heel.

          • tickletik

            It’s information, I don’t know who this person is, but he seems to have given accurate information. Why so hostile?

          • Drakken

            It is a she, and she is dumber than a goddamn bag of hammers.

          • Americana

            I’l be waiting for your denial of the above resupply, Drakken. It had better be more authoritative than your claims about Benghazi radio traffic…

          • Drakken

            Honey, my little finger has more authority than your whole leftarded body. You just too bloody dumb and ignorant to get it. My suggestion to you is very simple, talk less and listen more.

          • Americana

            There may be a whole lotta rubes around the internet, Drakken, but this claim about Pres. Obama not authorizing Israel be resupplied w/ammunition is one of your wacko TOTAL FABRICATIONS. You’ll find there are plenty of folks who are going to trend toward seeing the fallacies of your claims over time if you make enough false ones. Just how many false claims can be made before your self-proclaimed **ULTIMATE AUTHORITY** is seen for exactly what it is, non-existent?

          • Drakken

            Jesus H Christ, there is no fixing stupid with you is there? Keep believing those “newspaper” articles honey, tell the rest of us how that works out for you. Yeah I am absolutely sure are those leftist folks you believe in will get the job done. LOL

          • Americana

            Ah, so you’re not going to produce a link that states that Pres. Obama refused to resupply Israel w/ammunition? Now either find a link that confirms Pres. Obama refused to do that or edit your above posts. Or be painted a liar.

            I don’t object to your constant rote reasoning, Drakken, but I certainly resent anyone presenting disinformation. Given the situation, that is inexcusable.

          • Drakken

            I have tried to tell you, but you absolutely refuse to listen because it goes against your leftist mindset and there is no fixing that until you come here and get your hands dirty.

          • Americana

            I’m well aware of what I consider are the downsides to islam. Unfortunately, the Palestinian-Israeli snafu takes those downsides of Islam to a whole ‘mother level. My hands don’t need to get dirty for me to understand the situation.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            What are the upsides to islam again? I seem to keep forgetting.

          • Drakken

            Sure you do need to get your hands dirty, because you understand nothing of the situation over here and it shows. The Obummer administration is in a complete state of denial and this is going to get much worse, you can bet on it.

          • Americana

            By the way, since you’re supposedly in Iraq and this issue **over Israeli armaments and ammunition is happening only in Israel to Israeli troops,** how is it you feel knowledgeable enough as an Iraqi-based contractor to say there’s been a hold put on the resupply by Pres. Obama? Especially given that I’ve got umpteen stories that state otherwise… Supply the story links that prove your case.

          • Drakken

            I am not in Iraq at the moment sweetheart and where my whereabouts are is none of your concern, nor should it be. I will say this, I do have a front row seat to all that is going on. Like I said, you should listen more and talk less because you know jacksh*t about nothing and your ignorance could fill volumes. Always watch what they do, and never believe a bloody word coming out of the states these days.

          • Americana

            You’re a military contractor willy nilly running around the entire Middle East then, is that it? You’re at Balad Air Base and then you’re in Jeddah and then you’re off to Jericho? Not bloody likely. You’re attached to a single military contractor company and you’ve got specific responsibilities in a specific country. They may shift you around periodically but they’re not going to treat you like the second coming of Gen. Erwin Rommel. You know about every situation, everywhere in the Middle East? Sorry, there are no large contingents of American contractors in Israel who are serving in any capacity therefore you’re not privy to Israeli ammunition and resupply issues and the Israeli army is not going to tell some American military contractor diddly squat. I notice you didn’t post a link that states the U.S. failed to resupply the Israelis. You also didn’t post a story link saying the POTUS vetoed the $225 million refurbishment of Iron Dome.

          • Americana

            Now, I could be wrong, but I believe you all will consider Newsmax is an acceptably right-wing web site for this story about the U.S. resupplying Israel w/munititions for it to be credible?


            The United States has allowed Israel, waging an offensive in the Gaza Strip, to tap a local U.S. arms stockpile in the past week to resupply it with grenades and mortar rounds, a U.S. defense official said on Thursday.

            The munitions were located inside Israel as part of a program managed by the U.S. military and called War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I), which stores munitions locally for U.S. use that Israel can also access in emergency situations.

            Israel, however, did not cite an emergency when it made its latest request about 10 days ago, the defense official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

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          • Americana

            Unlike you, who keeps hammering away at the very same rote phrasing and thinking and denying facts. If there’s a hold up w/ammunition coming from that depot, it’s far more likely got something to do w/the logistics on the ground and not the AMOUNTS of what the U.S. has disbursed from that Israeli-dedicated ammunition depot.

          • Habbgun

            Its Americana a British raised leftist with her hard left British views who just cuts and pastes, act as if she owns FrontPage Mag and isn’t just a troll and when shown to be wrong simply disappears and then cuts and pastes more nonsense. Hates the Jewish religion which she says has no validity, hates Israel, hates the USA and loves everything Leftist matter how stupid or insane.

            You want to try her out go ahead. She’ll lure you in, act like she cares what you say and then will simply deny anything you say has value. She simply wants to prove that you’ve been in a cocoon and she is enlightened. Right out of the eurosupremacist playbook. Typical nasty leftist. A real piece of work. She’s all yours.

          • Americana

            I don’t act as if I “own Front Page Mag.” I’m here w/my opinions and my knowledge and my daily digest of news stories just as anyone else is supposedly here w/their knowledge and aggregated news stories.

            As for hating the Jewish religion, that’s not true at all. What I have a hard time with, and this is how I feel about ALL RELIGIONS, is the concept that one religion is a hi-speed RR guaranteed route to Heaven as well as gives its adherents automatic superiority over adherents of other religions. Considering you told me that you are **superior to me because you’re JEWISH and SEMITIC** and you said that’s true of Arabs’ Semitic background as well — they’re SEMITIC so they’re superior to me, a Catholic British-American — it’s strange you’d now claim that I’m the one who’s arrogant.

            I listen to what people say. If they don’t make sense or they have faulty information that I know is wrong, no, I’m not going to simply stand by and let that information go unchallenged. We make our decisions as a country based on our knowledge. You can’t bitch and moan about the knowledge demonstrated by American students only to then purposely prevent the dissemination of legitimate information.

          • Habbgun

            Ah, we’re back to this then. This is why I thought you were autistic and it is all coming back to me.

            You are engaging in classic Aspergers little professor behaviors.

            You don’t understand courtesy. You think you understand what you read. You just process info and you don’t understand context.

            The need to correct even minor punctuation is classic autistic behavior. Maybe you should read what you write. It is all nonsensical. If it wasn’t how could Americana Gray match you so well. He just took your traits and demonstrated it. You learned nothing from it.

          • Americana

            Courtesy enters into on-line discussion forums when LEGITIMATE INFORMATION remains for all to read. If you can dispute the information someone provides, you do so. You don’t summarily try to personally degrade the poster w/your stupid remarks about their private parts. (What are you, 8 years old?)

            Anyone can match anyone for their writing style. When I visit the library later today and I don’t have my email detected by the server, I’ll post as a few other FPMers. I’m sure I can use similar enough phrasing to be a good ole boy like yourself.

            (HABBGUN) Those stinking cankles hanging round your ankles giving you any trouble? Peeeewww! Stinky!

          • Habbgun

            No not everyone can match someone’s writing style. You only think that because you don’t get emotional and intellectual context. We discussed that.

            You were easy to parody because you don’t understand. You just cut and paste. We all know what you are going to say. It is simply a matter of surfing websites till something is found and hitting the p key. It is easy to do. Americana proved it. You are cartoonish.

            Now do I start cutting and pasting from autism sites showing your behaviors? Cutting and pasting info is always legit so why do you get upset anyway? Or do we call a truce. I didn’t miss you one bit. Didn’t answer you once.

          • Americana

            Of course you responded to me. Even if you didn’t respond to me directly, the fact you felt compelled in your OCD disgustingness to write many, many sexual innuendo responses and warned other people off is a response of a kind. You’ll be an easy parody. All I have to do is parrot certain wrote phrases. You and Drakken are identical on that score.

          • Habbgun

            Go for it. I would like certain phrases to get more use. Maybe people will start looking at the Left with a more properly jaundiced eye…….and by the way there is nothing wrong with warning people off. If they knew what you were and what you thought it is unlikely they would respond. If they don’t care what is the harm.

            You think this is bad. Try being a conservative at anything leftist. Think you are just a unbiased observer just try and criticize hamas at dailykos. Good luck with that.

          • Americana

            Look at EVERYTHING w/a jaundiced eye. That’s what I do. OK, just to prove a point, I’ll go over to DailyKos sometime today, I’ll let you know when I do so, and you’re welcome to come and observe.

        • tickletik

          Thanks for the information and clearing that up.

        • Drakken

          Are you this goddamn fuc*ing stupid>? Your bloody hero Obummer has put a stop gap on Israeli resupply and here you are talking out of your azz because your mouth knows better, Again! Jesus H Christ! What I cannot stand is some one who doesn’t know WTF they are talking about and acting like they do with some sort of authority.

          • Americana

            I’ll be interested in hearing your response to the above list of stories. I hope your response is a little more authoritative than your claims about Benghazi radio traffic.

          • Drakken

            What part of Obummer stopping resupply do you not bloody well understand? I don’t give a rat’s azz about any article, you can see it on the ground. Get with the goddamn program.

          • Americana


            U.S. To Resupply Israel Military; Explosions Rock Gaza City; Land Mines Near MH17 Crash Site; Russians Push Cold War Talk; U.S. Condemns Shelling; Hackers Hit Firms that Built Iron Dome

            Aired July 30, 2014 – 14:00 ET


            BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Great to be with you all on this Wednesday. I’m Brooke Baldwin.

            Let’s get to some news just into us here at CNN. CNN has just learned that the United States has agreed to resupply Israel’s military with multiple types of ammunition. What types of ammunition? Why specifically? Let’s go to the Pentagon, to our correspondent there, Barbara Starr, who has this reporting.

            Tell me what exactly this resupplying of the Israeli defense forces really means, Barbara.


            U.S. officials are telling me they have agreed to resupply Israel with ammunition at its request. Now, clearly, this is part of the U.S. commitment to the defense of Israel, according to administration officials. They say Israel is not running out of ammunition, it is not an emergency. But Israel has made a request for resupply of several types of ammunition, and the U.S. has now agreed to it.

            There are two types that we know about. One is 120 millimeter mortar ammunition. The other is 40 millimeter ammunition for grenade launchers. What’s so interesting is those two types of ammunition are going to be transferred to the Israelis very quickly from an existing stockpile of U.S. equipment and ammunition already in Israel. That is (INAUDIBLE) made public. But there’s a number of other categories of ammunition. They will now go to U.S. companies, U.S. defense manufacturers, and finalize the deal with them to get resupplied in all of that.

            Is Israel running out of ammunition? There’s nothing that indicates that. But as one defense official said to me, look, clearly, over the last three weeks of operations in southern Israel and Gaza, they have been using up an awful lot, and clearly they do need to get this resupply.


            BALDWIN: Here we are in week four. Barbara Starr, thank you so much.

            And let’s stay on this conflict specifically. We know explosions have rocked Gaza, shattering this already short humanitarian cease-fire announced by Israel. Civilians given four hours to scramble just to find safer ground, but they didn’t actually get that long. Let me show you the exact moment it came to a thunderous end.

            But first, for the second time in a month, a school in Gaza has been hit. It was run by the United Nations and used to shelter civilians. The Palestinian health ministry says at least 20 people were killed when this school was hit today. You’re looking at the aftermath.

            The United Nations blames Israel. Israel says it was responding to militants in the area who fired upon Israeli soldiers. In previous attacks on U.N. facilities, Israel has blamed errant Hamas rockets.

            But back to that attempt to stop this fighting — remember, they thought it would be a four-hour break, stop the fighting long enough for people to get supplies, get out of harm’s way. Again, supposed to last four hours. Didn’t even make it to three. Take a look.

            (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

            JOHN VAUSE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: OK, let’s start with that unilateral –


            VAUSE: It’s over, as you can tell. What we have right now is smoke, which is coming from an earlier air strike in downtown Gaza City. That’s a gas station, a petrol station, which was hit according to Palestinian officials. What that other target was hit, at this point, we don’t know. They are now responding to that – to those Hamas rockets which, to be fair, Panula (ph), have continued to fire from Gaza.


            VAUSE: Just over here, David (ph). This building just over here, which has just been hit. OK. People are now scattering beneath in the streets below.

            UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you need to go –

            (END VIDEO CLIP)

            BALDWIN: So that was earlier today. And now clearly night has fallen over Gaza City and John Vause joins me live.

            And so, John, we saw the smoke, we heard the explosions, we saw you moving about. Quiet now?

            JOHN VAUSE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Quiet is a relative term here, Brooke. There is the constant sound of artillery and tank fire coming from the south. That hasn’t let up for the last few hours. But it seems that the air activity has. We had a quick succession of air strikes when that four-hour humanitarian window came to an end about two-and-a-half hours into it. But right now it seems relatively quiet.

            But let me show you this. This is the view out the window here.

            BALDWIN: OK. VAUSE: And look, this is Gaza City at night. This is home to hundreds of thousands of people and it is pitch-black. Apart from a few homes that have lights on, they maybe have generators. But pretty much everyone here has no electricity. And this is the second night it is like this. And that is a direct result of Gaza’s only power station, which is now out of operation.

            Now, the Palestinians say it was hit by an Israeli tank shell. The Israel’s say, we don’t know, we’re looking into that, we’re not too sure. It wasn’t on our target list. Whatever happened, right now there is virtually no electricity out here. And it’s going to be like this for a while.

            BALDWIN: Barely any lights twinkling behind you, John Vause. So we talked about the power station. We showed those pictures yesterday. Let’s talk a little bit more about the school that was hit. It’s a school. It’s supposed to be a safe place, supposed to serve as a shelter. But then we have this video.

            So what you’re looking at, this is a building in Gaza City. We’ll show you in a second. And so Reuters, it was reporting that it was hit today by Israeli shelling and one person was killed. And in these pictures, you can see the smoke, right? So we see the smoke here. And people are trying to put out this fire. They have like tiny jars of water to put this out. So, John, my question to you is, where can people go? I mean is there such a place — is – as a safe place in Gaza City where you are?

            VAUSE: Not really. I mean, look, this is the middle of a war zone. There are constant Israeli air strikes. The Israelis say they’re taking the utmost care not to hit civilians, but we know that more than 1,300 Palestinians have been killed, most of them are, in fact, civilians. And they do warn people to leave. But as you say, there really isn’t anywhere to go. They go to those U.N. shelters, those schools, and as we saw this morning, those schools then get hit either by Israeli fire or by Hamas rocket fire, depending on, you know, which version of events you choose to believe at this point in the conflict.

            So, right now, people are – they’re staying with relatives, they’re staying in parking lots. Some have set up a makeshift camp outside the Shiba (ph) hospital here. They believe that maybe, because it’s a hospital, it will be a lot safer. But according to the U.N., we’re now looking at about 200,000 people out of 1.7 million who have had to leave their home. And a lot of those people really don’t have anywhere to go.

            BALDWIN: John Vause, thank you so much.

            Let’s stay on this. Let me bring in CNN international anchor Jim Clancy.

            You’ve done extensive reporting on this part of the world. So I want to get to John’s point in a minute as far as they really don’t have anywhere to go. They’re stuck right there in Gaza by land and by water. But first, as far as the cease-fire is concerned, supposed to last four hours, barely lasted three. What do you think is going on? JIM CLANCY, ANCHOR, CNN INTERNATIONAL: Well, Hamas would never

            subscribe to it. The Israelis saw, you know, the shock over that attack, the killing of all of those people, what, more than 20 dead, more than — well over 100 wounded at that U.N. shelter.

            BALDWIN: Yes.

            CLANCY: They called an immediate humanitarian cease-fire, calm things down a little bit. Hamas sees itself as winning there. And so Hamas says —

            BALDWIN: Winning what?

            CLANCY: A propaganda war.

            BALDWIN: Winning a propaganda war.

            CLANCY: Winning a propaganda war. So Hamas says, no cease-fire. They kept firing rockets.

            The humanitarian cease-fire didn’t affect the entire Gaza Strip. Israel quickly reengaged. We are now in a situation where I think getting a cease-fire is going to be more difficult, not less difficult. Hamas sees an opportunity here. It has no choice. Its back is against the wall. It wants to salvage something out of all of this, and that means lifting the restrictions on Gaza, but I don’t think Israel is ready to do that in any way, shape or form.

            BALDWIN: Listening to Sara Sidner, one of our other correspondents, she was on the ground talking to Wolf a little while ago and saying a lot of Israelis don’t want this cease-fire. And to further the point about – I don’t want to say tensions, but between Netanyahu and Obama, much, much — much ado about this, really it’s a hoax, it’s not true, this transcript that was leaked among Israeli media. Ben Rhodes from the White House said it was crazy.

            CLANCY: But the Israeli media picked it right up –

            BALDWIN: They bought it. They believed it.

            CLANCY: Right away because they understand just how seriously damaged U.S.-Israeli relations are.

            BALDWIN: That’s my point, yes.

            CLANCY: John Kerry was really sabotaged, sand bagged, if you will, by Israeli authorities. President Obama was very upset by it. The U.S. reaching —

            BALDWIN: They’re our friend. We’re resupplying their ammunition, according to Barbara Starr at the Pentagon.

            CLANCY: Well, that will – that will continue to go on. But it’s not helping Israel, really. It’s not helping the United States at this juncture because, if you’re looking for a cease-fire – I mean one that will really work — BALDWIN: What?

            CLANCY: You have to have a strategy. This is not a militant problem. This is a political problem. Only politics can solve it. It takes those kinds of talks that are going to recognize the needs of both sides. You’re not getting it with a cease-fire here. Both sides, the Israelis and Hamas, have plenty of tactics. What they lack is a strategy. All this is going to do – a cease-fire now is get us right back here in two years’ time.

            BALDWIN: We can talk about strategy. At the end of the day, don’t Israelis ultimately want to decapitate Hamas? Isn’t that what they want?

            CLANCY: Well, some have suggested that. What they want is a little peace and quiet. And some of them say the only way to get that is to —

            BALDWIN: I’m sure Gaza wants that as well.

            CLANCY: Demilitarize.

            BALDWIN: Right.

            CLANCY: Certainly. They want – they want the freedom of movement. That’s from the Palestinian side. They want recognition. You know, Israel is demanding that Hamas recognize Israel’s right to exist and Hamas is shooting right back saying, recognize us first. So you’re at this — the same old place that we’ve been for so long. The military cannot solve that problem. A propaganda war is something else.

            BALDWIN: We’ve seen the movie before, as Fareed Zakaria has told me.

            Jim Clancy, appreciate it very much.

            CLANCY: All right, Brooke.

            BALDWIN: Just ahead, the Iron Dome. The defense system that protects Israelis from those rockets is at risk of being hacked. We’ll explain how that’s possible.

            Plus, in the worst Ebola outbreak ever, here’s a frightening thought, crews cannot really know for sure whether someone is infected with Ebola before he or she gets on a plane. So we’ll talk live with someone who just returned from West Africa, treating, counseling some of the victims and their families.

            And a Russian lawmaker says President Obama will go down in history as the man who started the new cold war. Strong words. You’re watching CNN’s special live coverage.

            (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

            BALDWIN: Let’s take you to eastern Ukraine. Bodies still left behind. Investigators pushed back by the fierce fighting. And now the situation just got worse at the MH17 crash site. Land mines? These are exclusive pictures, thanks to our CNN crew, from the wreckage from today. A Ukrainian official saying pro-Russian rebels are placing these land mines near the wreckage of this passenger plane while the rebels accuse the Ukrainian military of putting its tanks on part of the debris field.

            And carrying on battles there. Thirteen days after that Boeing 777 carrying those 298 people was blown out of the sky, the situation appears to be worsening on the ground. So to Nick Paton Walsh we go, live in Donetsk, Ukraine.

            And, Nick, still these international investigators can’t get through. You and your crew managed to get to this crash site, sharing these new images with us. First let me ask you, did you see evidence, with your own eyes, of these land mines?

            NICK PATON WALSH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: No, not really. And if you actually examine the Ukrainian security council’s statement, they’re suggesting more that separatists are putting up firing positions and mining the areas around the crash site. They’re trying to suggest that they’re blocking access for inspectors. But if you look at the reality, this whole area, and it’s a vast area where the wreckage is scattered, this whole area is being fought over in a brutal civil war.

            When we were at the crash site, there were plenty of black plumes of smoke on the horizon. As we left, intense shelling of one town called Shaktos (ph), which is blocking access for inspectors from Donetsk, where I’m standing, to that crash site. So I think it’s hard on the ground to actually see specific evidence of mines being put in to block access. And the separatist militants we came across, well, they checked our documents, asked questions. But comparatively, they were on the friendly side.


            BALDWIN: So why were they on the friendlier side with you all and this caravan of 30 to 40 vehicles of these international investigators can’t get through? Why?

            WALSH: Well, it’s easy for us, in many ways. We’re one car there for just over an hour. We can wind our way through many roads and people not quite sure who we are and we’re gone before they try and work it out. But the convoy of inspectors, that’s 30 to 40 of them. They travel very conspicuously. A lot of negotiation beforehand to ensure cease-fires. A lot of mistrust between the sides and the fighting here, so you have to play that in mind too if you’re the convoy of inspectors trying to navigate your way through. Is someone going to shoot at you and blame it on the other side.

            And bear in mind too, when the inspectors get there, they have to be there for hours, weeks possibly, even months. Some suggest that painful forensic work going through that often terrifying, horrifying wreckage, debris still in the fields there, scattered over many kilometers, square miles, Brooke.

            So I think that’s the problem they’re facing. We’re on day four now though that the Dutch and Australian police have been here in Donetsk, talking to the monitors from the OSCE about getting there but simply not able to make the journey because of the fighting and it’s getting worse, Brooke.

            BALDWIN: You saw debris. Did you see remains?

            WALSH: No. But sad to say, Brooke, we could smell a sort of rather acrid smell in the air of decay that’s still there. We saw a lot of possessions still there. I saw a wallet that had clearly been emptied. Two of those. You see the books that people were reading when the missile struck the jet, as many people say. And we saw also what must have been shrapnel holes in the cockpit, too.

            So a lot still there. Much less that you can see in terms of the remains of individuals. The stretchers that carried them away, they’re still there too. But it’s bizarre how eerily silent that whole area is, like it’s cut off from the war around it.


            BALDWIN: Nick Paton Walsh, thank you so much, in Ukraine.

            If you are old enough, this growing disdain between the United States and Russia, might recall the Cold War years, the years and years of all-consuming rivalry between Washington and Moscow. President Obama took on a question about the Cold War just yesterday. Did you catch this?

            (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

            UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is this a new cold war, sir?

            BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: No. It’s not a new cold war. What it is, is a very specific issue related to Russia’s unwillingness to recognize that Ukraine can chart its own path.

            (END VIDEO CLIP)

            BALDWIN: Not a new cold war, so says the president. But some Russians beg to differ. I want to show you this one tweet. The quote is, “Barack Obama will make history, not as a peace maker, everyone forgot about his Noble Prize, but rather as the statesman who started a new cold war.” That tweet is from the head of the foreign affairs committee of Russia’s parliament.

            Also worth noting here, a remark last May, not widely reported. Quote, “we are slowly but surely approaching a second cold war.” That is Russia’s prime minister, Dmitry Medvedev. So, new cold war? Obviously it depends on whom you ask.

            Let’s ask Kimberly Dozier. She’s our CNN global affairs analyst and joins me from Washington, D.C.

            Kimberly, straight up, are we or are we not approaching another cold war between Moscow and Washington?

            KIMBERLY DOZIER, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: Not yet, but we’re definitely in an ideological war that you could say Russia has been conducting for some time. And only this Ukraine crisis has really made the U.S. engage full on. They have a sophisticated messaging system where if Vladimir Putin dictates it from on high, it quickly gets passed on by lawmakers, by state television. They also have tweet monitors, that the moment someone who is Russian opposition member or someone who is a critic of Russia says something, they have trolls instantly responding. Everything from something factual to, you know, “yeah, so says your mother.”

            BALDWIN: Hillary Clinton, she sat down with Fareed Zakaria very recently and she told him that Vladimir Putin acted dismissively of her when she was U.S. secretary of state. Do we know anything as to Barack Obama’s relationship with Vladimir Putin? I mean just personal chemistry, what do we know?

            DOZIER: We know that they have a cordial but matter-of-fact relationship. This is two smart, calculating minds circling each other. But a lot of the engagement happens instead through the public media. Russia has seen itself for some time, the inner narrative inside the country is that it’s really suffered from the fall of the Soviet Union and that it deserves a greater, stronger place in the world. So each of these moves, like taking back the Crimea and some of the ways that they have repositioned troops that possibly could menace other areas, this is all about Putin telling his people, we won’t be pushed around.

            Unfortunately, it’s kind of backfired in that European nations watching this, watching this messaging, watching Russian-state television tell its own people that Ukrainian troops shot that Malaysian airliner down, that has helped fuel the move toward sanctions. And those tougher sanctions are something that could make the Russian people feel the pain from their president’s actions.

            BALDWIN: That’s what President Obama’s hoping for. We saw him yesterday addressing those additional sectorial sanctions from the South Lawn saying they’re already feeling the pain and hoping they feel it much worse.

            Kimberly Dozier, thank you so much, in Washington.

            Coming up next, Israel’s Iron Dome has been incredibly successful in deflecting those rockets coming in from Hamas. But the question we’re asking today, could the Iron Dome defense system be hacked? One security worker says absolutely, and that three firms that helped build it have been hacked in the past. We’ll explore that. You’re watching CNN’s special live coverage.

            (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

            BALDWIN: All right. You’re watching CNN. I’m Brooke Baldwin.

            Just into us here from the White House, the White House now condemning the shelling on a United Nations school in Gaza. It was a school that was sheltering a number of Palestinians. Here is the State Department spokeswoman, the deputy spokeswoman, just a short time ago.

            (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

            MARIE HARF, STATE DEPARTMENT DEPUTY SPOKESWOMAN: While we do condemn the shelling of an UNRWA school in Gaza, which reportedly killed and injured innocent Palestinians, including children and U.N. humanitarian workers, of course we would also condemn those responsible for hiding weapons in the United Nations facilities in Gaza, as well. All of these actions and similar ones earlier in the conflict are inconsistent with the U.N.’s neutrality, which we have spoken about in the past.

            (END VIDEO CLIP)

            BALDWIN: So let’s go to the White House to our correspondent there, Michelle Kosinski. And very — let’s be specific on her wording, condemning the shelling of the school, did not say condemning the, if it is, Israeli strike.

            MICHELLE KOSINSKI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Right. I mean they went so far as to spell it out further because it was originally tweeted out that the White House was condemning the Israeli shelling of this school.

            BALDWIN: Oh.

            KOSINSKI: But they quickly said, wait, wait, that tweet is incorrect. We did not assign any blame here. We just condemned the shelling of that school. So — and they went further than that.

            I mean they’re not just focused on Israel here. They did expand it a little bit in that direction, though, by saying that they’re also deeply concerned about thousands of Palestinians who have been told by Israel to evacuate their homes and then are not safe, in the U.S.’s view, in U.N. facilities. So that’s taking it even further there. Again, though, without naming Israel.

            But the second part of this statement says that they also condemn those who hide weapons within schools and other U.N. facilities. So that then is condemning the Palestinians, again, without naming anyone. They don’t want to assign anything here, but they kind of want to issue this blanket condemnation on the actions that have been happening there by both sides.

            I think one reason that they might not want to name Israel at this point, specifically, even though it seems like they’re doing it without doing it, is because remember over the last couple of days we’ve seen incidents where a facility like this was shelled. We saw it at a hospital, a refugee camp, the Palestinians immediately blame the Israelis, but then it turned out the Israelis said no, no, we have proof, we even have pictures showing that these were errant Palestinian bombs. So it may just be too early that nobody wants to name anyone at this point, Brooke.

            BALDWIN: Right. Hamas. Hamas. Michelle Kosinski at the White House, thank you so much.

            And there are several reports circulating of these Chinese hackers breaking into defense contractor computers, stealing schematics for Israel’s Iron Dome defense system. We have video. It shows the Iron Dome in action, intercepting a rocket over Tel Aviv. This is an expensive system, funded in part by hundreds of millions of dollars from the United States. And CNN Money correspondent, Laurie Segall, she talked to one of these cyber analysts who was accusing China of the theft.


            Well, as the Israel-Gaza conflict wages on, alarming new research shows the makers of Israel’s main missile defense system was hacked in the past. I actually spoke to the man who discovered it. Take a look.

    • Damaris Tighe

      It’s also her worse written. Maybe her heart wasn’t in it.

    • joe

      I do think in the end, Israel will have to obliterate her enemies, and her leadership needs to make that point clear to the world – as it appears the world is in opposition to Israel. For reasons I cannot know, Bibi seems to waffle and so I agree with you on that. But I didn’t read Ms. Glicks article as a claim of victory. I may have misread her, but it appears she said this past foray can only be construed as a victory if Hamas attrites into oblivion. Ms. Glick doesn’t appear to assert that that attrition will even occur; simply holds it out as a hope or possibility. What she does say in the title as well as in the content is that there are no silver (or magic) bullets. And there are many well thought out comments (including your own) but all of them really say the same thing, i.e., no matter what choice Israel takes, it’s going to be laborious, back and heart-breaking. Until I read her assessment, it had not occurred to me that the Gaza operation was less than full throttle because Israel’s enemies on all of the other fronts could easily take advantage of an over extended Israel. Anyway, my take on the article is that it will always be a tough slog for Israel because the world is full of Jew hating idiots and Israel sadly can rely on no one. I’m a fan of Caroline Glick. I’m a fan of Israel – heart and soul.

      • Drakken

        Your another one that doesn’t get it, Ole Caroline is running her suck in a false narrative of Israel has won a draw again instead of winning a victory. In case it escaped your notice, this was another Israeli goat fuck, they didn’t win anything except letting Hamas gain time and momentum.

        • IslamDownpressesHumanity

          There might be other considerations that the Israeli leadership knows about but isn’t revealing. No one here has all the facts on the various islamic threats (incl. threats by proxy) to Israel. Who knows what the zero might be using to blackmail Netanyahu? He’s obviously done so before, otherwise Israel wouldn’t have unilaterally released over a hundred convicted muslim terrorists.

    • IslamDownpressesHumanity

      Worse yet, it looks like Lebanon will once again be a jumping off point for terrorist attacks against Israel.

  • MN dude

    Wow that’s dark. If the situation is that extreme, I would say do this: declare that Middle East Christians need a safe haven, expel the population of Gaza into Syria and replace them with Christian refugees. Maybe the same with Southern Lebanon. Declare the southern part the Christian zone. The “international community” would scream and howl but I don’t think they would do anything – you’re not really killing anyone. If the West Bank acts up again, do the same with them. This could even be expanded to cover Yazidis, Zoroastrians, and any other non-Islamic Middle East minority.

    • Texas Patriot

      Excellent ideas.

    • Raymond_in_DC

      I suspect most in Gaza have their origins in North Africa – Egypt especially – not Syria. Only a study of family names would confirm that.

      Just a century ago the Middle East was about 10% Christian. Egypt still is (mostly Copts), but their presence elsewhere is today much reduced. But just considering the displaced and threatened Christians of Syria and Iraq, they number more than the current population of “crowded” Gaza.

      • Gee

        A century ago Egypt was 21% Coptic.

        • IslamDownpressesHumanity

          Christianity is going to be disappearing from the Mid-East and N. Africa, in the exact same Judaism disappeared from Egypt, Iraq, Syria and Yemen and for exactly the same reasons.

    • tickletik

      The first part is a very bad idea, you’ll get the Christians and the Jews at each others throats as well.

      The second part is a lot better. Stabilize Lebanon, create an alliance between the Christian, Druze and more open minded Muslims. Drive out Hezbollah. End all support for the “rebels” in Syria (they are nothing more than ISIS swine). Create closer ties with the current Egyptian government, start supporting any regime that promises and can back promises of stability in this region. We aren’t looking for paradise, we are looking to let people go about their business without being shot.

      • Texas Patriot

        There is virtually no chance that any Muslim government in the Middle East will be able to withstand the onslaught of the Islamic State and their radical jihadist followers and sympathizers worldwide. Basically, there is zero tolerance in traditional Islam for hypocrites and those who do not wish to follow the teachings and life example of Muhammad and his followers in every way, and the Islamic State under the leadership of Khalifa Ibrahim offers a purist alternative to the current hypocrisy of many Muslim governments that is likely to be irresistible to many Muslims worldwide. At this point in time, a two-state solution consisting of the Jewish State and the Islamic State will be the reality in the Middle East for the foreseeable future, and all of the post WWI Western governments set up after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire are likely to continue dropping like flies. Get used to it.

        • Lanna

          Well said….Islam is an all or nothing proposition! This blog has so much truth, and good information especially from Caroline Glick!

        • tickletik

          There is nothing for me to get used to Patriot, you may as well ask for me to get used to standing around with my head decapitated, because that is exactly where this situation is currently headed.

          I do not need to argue with your comment, because your comment actually supports me.

          Consider what you have said, there is no toleration in Islam, that an Islamic state under a Khalif will be irresistable to Muslims worldwide. All of this is absolutely the truth. And it is also the truth when I say that Islam is a religion based on Jihad. It is a religion that finds it’s very meaning in conquest and despoiling others.

          If a Khalifate is irresistable to Muslims, as we both agree, then a plump juicy target right on their doorstep will inspire downright blood lust. There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that a resurgent Islam will be able to refrain from an all out attempt to conquer or at least annihilate this country. And when they are done with us, they will absolutely make a go at everyone else.

          The only possible way to check such a Khalifate is the check their success. As long as it is advantageous for a Muslim community to adopt pure Jihad, then they will continue to do so. Make it very disadvantageous and they will consider making peace with their minority neighbors.

          Bottom line: Texas, you cannot make peace or live in peace with someone who wants to kill you. As long as he wants you dead he will make repeated attempts to match his internal representation of an ideal world to that of his external perceived model of the world. That is, he will keep trying to kill you until it sticks. In such a case, if you stay on the defensive, sooner or later he will get lucky.

          The only way to stop someone who wants to kill, is to simply stop him from wanting to kill you.

          And there are exactly two ways to do that.

          The first way is by repeated application of a lead pipe to the subject, alternating between the skull, face, torso, legs, and arms. After a varying interval of time, depending on the degree of conviction that the subject has in wanting to kill you, eventually he will either no longer be breathing, or he will have changed his emotional outlook regarding your positive contribution to world peace. In both cases he will no longer wish to kill you, and your former enemy may even consider taking up a bit of gardening as alternative mode of self expression. Which is good, because flowers are pretty.

          The second way, as we all know, is by direct high kinetic energy application of a 5.56mm Nato round into the skull.

          (Note that that the 5.56mm Nato round is not specifically required but is used as an illustrative example regarding the concept. )

          Application of method #2 is extraordinarily effective in encouraging peace. And has an added bonus of changing the outlook of surrounding potential subjects who may decide to rethink their stance vis a vis your hourly Oxygen/ Carbon conversion process.

          If vigorously and properly applied you may even find former enemies endeavoring to keep your heart rate and blood pressure levels to a comfortable low, but not too low, level.

          • Texas Patriot

            T: Bottom line: Texas, you cannot make peace or live in peace with someone who wants to kill you. As long as he wants you dead he will make repeated attempts to do so, and if you stay on the defensive, sooner or later he will get lucky. The only way to stop someone who wants to kill, is to simply stop him from wanting to kill you. And there are exactly two ways to do that.

            I think there may be a third way that is more productive and profitable in the long run, and that is to make sure that you are economically strong, technologically superior, and militarily decisive against all acts of aggression and hostility from any source. As science continues to develop new and improved surveillance and interdiction technologies, it will be increasingly possible to identify, target, and eliminate specific threats of hostility and aggression before they can cause harm. Therefore, even if someone wants to kill you it may be possible to coexist with them indefinitely.

            From my point of view, there is basically no chance that Hamas or any other fundamentally Islamist regime will ever want to live in peace with Israel. At the same time, if Israel’s neighbors learn that aggression against Israel will never succeed and instead will always result in an overwhelmingly effective response from Israel which eliminates the specific source of aggression and may include the permanent loss of land and the expulsion of all potential aggressors, it may be possible for Israel to build a platform for peace and prosperity that is at least as stable as any in the world.

            Knowledge of the inevitability of tension and potential aggression and the necessity of eternal vigilance and constant economic and technological progress is what may take a bit of getting used to.

          • tickletik

            I agree with you, only insofar as that we shouldn’t start the fights, but we absolutely have to be the ones to finish it.

            And by “finish it” I mean finish it such that the opponent simply will never be able to start it a second time. So that the next guy who wants to have a go will also think twice about whether he wants to find himself in the position of the last guy.

            That is not what happened here.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            How are you going to guarantee any country is “economically strong, technologically superior and militarily decisive” at all times? Your first two provisions are hard enough to achieve in peacetime much less w/enemies ceaselessly conducting terrorist actions against your populace. Israel and India have endured over 6 decades of islamic terrorism, I don’t see how your solution is going to stop it.

          • Texas Patriot

            IDH: How are you going to guarantee any country is “economically strong, technologically superior and militarily decisive” at all times?

            Nobody can guarantee it, but that’s the challenge we all have if we want to remain free.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            All the muslim-nazis have to do is win once.

          • Texas Patriot

            It is a gross underestimation of the danger faced by Israel and the West (not to mention a grossly deceptive misrepresentation of the actual facts) to equate Khalifa Ibrahim and the Islamic State with Adolph Hitler and the Nazis. The similarities do not exist in other than a grossly superficial way

            Hitler was an uneducated buffoon and an emotional and unsophisticated tactician who ran a ruthless gang of military thugs who terrorized and dominated Germany and led the German people to utter ruin. Khalifa Ibrahim is a highly sophisticated scholar and military leader with a Ph.D. in Islamic studies who leads a worldwide and growing band of purist jihadists who are more than willing to sacrifice their lives for Islam.

            Ultimately, Hitler was an idiot both philosophically and militarily, whereas Khalifa Ibrahim is very likely an Islamic philosopher par excellence and a military genius the likes of which the world has not seen for many hundreds of years.

          • Drakken

            Therefore the only good muslim is a dead muslim, so glad you brought that up.

          • Americana

            Khalifa Ibrahim is not a military genius that I can see. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi seems instead to be a CLASSIC MEGALOMANIAC though w/an Islamic bent. He seems to be intent on knocking all other major jihadists off the top perch (always a bad sign) by moving fast and furiously and consulting only himself. Look at his declaration of himself as Caliph! What he’s doing is using TERRORIST TACTICS to demoralize the army forces and militias he’s facing before he even faces them. He’s only been faced a very limited number of army tacticians and the territory he’s covered is quite barren aside from the major cities he and his forces have taken. Looks like big gains and, territory-wise, the gains are huge, but in terms of what he’s actually accomplished, he really hasn’t done much. Many well-advertised beheadings and other sharia punishments and he’s got everyone running for the next country when they hear the ISIS forces are approaching… Besides, having a PhD in Islamic Studies seems to be no great shakes and doesn’t really indicate much of anything from what I’ve seen based on the imam-speak and imam-intelligence I’ve heard and seen. I’m sure if the allied forces began the heads on pikes routine, we’d see some of the jihadi enemies also running in the opposite direction.


            When worshipers arrived at the mosque, they were searched thoroughly by armed ISIS fighters, and the congregants were told where and how to sit, said the man. No one was allowed to leave until 10 minutes after the end of Mr. Baghdadi’s sermon, the man said.

            The sermon was no extemporaneous cameo, but a carefully crafted speech in which he asked for the congregation’s support and struck an almost humble and pious tone that was difficult to square with the group’s tactics on the ground, which include kidnapping for ransom, summary executions and beheadings.

            “I was placed as your caretaker, and I am not better than you,” he said, according to a translation bySITE Intelligence Group, which monitors extremist activity online. “So if you found me to be right, then help me, and if you found me to be wrong, then advise me and make me right.”

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            “I do not promise you, as the kings and rulers promise their followers and congregation, luxury, security and relaxation; instead, I promise you what Allah promised his faithful worshipers,” he said.00:04


            Continue reading the main storyVideoISIS: Behind the Group Overrunning Iraq

            Background on the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, the Islamist group that gained control of the second-largest city in Iraq. Video CreditBy Christian Roman on Publish DateJune 10, 2014. Image CreditUncredited/Militant Website, via Associated Press

            Mr. Baghdadi’s address appeared to be aimed at several audiences, analysts said. He seemed to be appealing to followers of other militant groups in Syria and Iraq to join ISIS, and also to Iraqi Sunnis to look to him as a leader rather than the Iraqi government.

            Daniel Benjamin, a senior counterterrorism official in the State Department from 2009 to 2012, said that if the video was authentic, Mr. Baghdadi’s appearance would be a “remarkable event.”

            “If Baghdadi has emerged from hiding, it suggests that he is adopting a posture as a different kind of leader from Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahri and the like, and by implication a greater one,” said Mr. Benjamin, now a scholar at Dartmouth College. “He is demonstrating that ISIS has what they didn’t: territory that is secure, and he is its ruler.”

            “As a public demonstration of leadership, you’d have to go back to April 1996, when Mullah Omar appeared on top of a building in Kandahar in a cloak that was said to belong to the prophet and was declared commander of the faithful,” Mr. Benjamin added.

          • Texas Patriot

            Americana: Khalifa Ibrahim is not a military genius that I can see. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi seems instead to be a CLASSIC MEGALOMANIAC though w/an Islamic bent. He seems to be intent on knocking all other major jihadists off the top perch (always a bad sign) by moving fast and furiously and consulting only himself.

            From my perspective, Khalifa Ibrahim seems to be advocating a purist approach to Islam which is taken directly from the classical teachings of Muhammad and his followers. The suggestion of the New York Times commentator that Khalifa Ibrahim is no more authoritative or powerful than the one-eyed Mullah Omar of the Afghanistan Taliban is absolutely ludicrous. If you really buy into that, I’m very surprised. Instead of retweeting the comments of the talking heads from the New York Times, why don’t you listen to the sermon of Khalifa Ibrahim himself, and form your own opinion.


            From his remarks, it seems fairly obvious that Khalifa Ibrahim is calling on all the Muslim faithful who are able to journey to the Islamic State for purposes of joining in the ongoing jihad. Look at it this way. If only one percent of the world’s 1.5 billion Muslims answer his call, that’s an instant army of 15 million jihadis ready to fight and die for Islam. If only one tenth of one percent answer, that’s still an army of 1.5 million of committed jihadis. With a cash and weapons horde that seems to be growing daily, do you really imagine that frustrated and unhappy Muslims from around the world won’t jump at the chance to get paid to fight and die for Islam?

          • Americana

            Don’t get me wrong, Texas Patriot, I consider him a sizable threat. I just don’t believe he’s a military genius. He’s been lucky. He’s painted himself into a corner viz all the other legitimate Arab governments as well as all the other Islamic jihadists by declaring himself Caliph. It’s extremely self-serving for him to have done what’s he’s done. He’s gone right to the top of the U.S. assassination list as well as the assassination list for the Kurds and the Israelis and nearly everyone who wishes to hold onto traditional national power bases and borders in the region. I’m expecting him to be dead within the year. I’m expecting the collapse of the Caliphate under intense bombardment and the scattering of the limited number of fighters he’s got following him. They’ll continue to remain a threat for years, but we will easily disperse this first surge from ISIS.

          • Texas Patriot

            Americana: They’ll continue to remain a threat for years, but we will easily disperse this first surge from ISIS.

            Time will tell.

          • Americana

            Wannabe jihadis will have to get there first before they join his fight in that region. There are all sorts of ways to take these jihadist wannabes out before they even leave the confines of the various ME airports. He’s had his chance to gather men and weapons. Now it’s time to track his sizable financial assets and all the rest of the crippling tactics…

          • Texas Patriot

            Americana: There are all sorts of ways to take these jihadist wannabes out before they even leave the confines of the various ME airports.

            They don’t typically travel by airplane to the Middle East. Instead, they fly to Turkey and then take a train or drive to rendezvous with their jihadi contacts. Otherwise, if they get control of the Haditha dam, it’s lights out for the government in Baghdad and another major coup for the Islamic State.

          • Americana

            They travel by airplane to certain airports outside the sphere of the Middle East and then cross overland to the jihadi cities and the jihadi camps. These jihadis should still able to be stopped en route if we make the effort of tracking the routes.

          • Texas Patriot

            Americana: These jihadis should still able to be stopped en route if we make the effort of tracking the routes.

            Good luck with that. The area you’re talking about is some of the most remote and desolate land on earth. Being sent out to guard those routes would almost certainly be a death sentence. The most likely scenario would be for the guards to defect to the Islamic State.

          • Pete

            Then we drag them into court and the ACLU has a field day. The Leftards make them a cause celebre.

            It is much cheaper to kill them on the battlefield

          • Drakken

            There is no third way, the only good muslim is a dead muslim, then you will have peace.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Consider what you have said, there is no toleration in Islam, that an Islamic state under a Khalif will be irresistable to Muslims worldwide.

            Actually, the establishment of a caliphate is not the goal of the Islamic totalitarian world, although it is must be the goal of neo-cons as every neo-con repeats that farce ad nauseum and as if it is true. Nevertheless, the sole fundamental purpose of mainstream orthodox Islam, which, by the way, is the only kind, is to subjugate all infidels and all religions into Islamic totalitarianism, i.e., into harsh and debilitating dhimmitude, via jihad (holy war) and the eventual imposition of Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law, to ultimately make Islam and Islamic totalitarian society supreme above all others throughout the world.

            All of this is absolutely the truth.

            Only if you are a clueless neo-con that doesn’t have a clue is it the truth.

            And it is also the truth when I say that Islam is a religion based on Jihad.

            Actually, it’s not even a religion, as Islam far more than anything else, is an extremely draconian form of totalitarianism that seeks world domination, as opposed to being just a so-called religion. Further, I also wouldn’t dignify a so-called religion that executes all blasphemers and all apostates by calling it a religion, as that is the definition of a cult. Now, of course, it is a religion to all Muslims, but Muslims don’t have the first clue what constitutes an actual religion.

            It is a religion that finds it’s very meaning in conquest and despoiling others.

            It’s a rabid form of totalitarianism that like other forms of totalitarianism also seeks world domination. In fact, that is its sole fundamental purpose, to make itself and its followers supreme above all others throughout the world by any and all means at their disposal both violent and non-violent.

            If a Khalifate is irresistable to Muslims, as we both agree, then a plump juicy target right on their doorstep will inspire downright blood lust.

            You guys may both agree, but you guys are nonetheless both wrong.

            There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that a resurgent Islam will be able to refrain from an all out attempt to conquer or at least annihilate this country.

            They are doing it already via mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage, as it is really non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad for the nefarious purposes of mass Muslim infiltration of our society and for eventual demographic conquest.

            The only possible way to check such a Khalifate is the check their success.

            There is only one solution and that is for the entire infidel world to unite together to act collectively to put an end to the Islamic totalitarian world’s greater global jihad at large, as no one country can individually stop the jihad being waged against them alone. Not Israel, not India, not Thailand, not China, not Russia, not America, not Europe, no one.

          • Drakken

            I much prefer the 7.62 mm method myself, as past experience has taught me.

        • Drakken

          Simple solution, no more muslims, no more problem

      • ObamaYoMoma

        Uhm…I don’t know how to break this to you, but an open minded Muslim is a blasphemous apostate that must be executed according to the dictates of Islam. Sorry, there are no open minds allowed in Islam, as each and every Muslim is the slave of Allah or otherwise a dead infidel.

        By the way, Christians and Jews get along just fine thank you very much.

        Moreover, stability in the Middle East isn’t all that it is cracked up to be. Indeed, we should look for cracks and fissures within the Islamic totalitarian world to exploit to our advantage, as Muslims killing Muslims is very bad for the Islamic totalitarian world, but at the same time very good for the infidel world.

        • tickletik

          Think “lapsed Catholic”

          There are always tensions between rival groups. I’d prefer to make sure those tensions stay at a healthy interesting simmer.

          Exploit is good. But my thinking is to an end game where Christian communities don’t have to run for their lives.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            Think “lapsed Nazi” is more like it.

    • Gee

      Sorry but the answer is no. The Christians in the area are just as bad as the Muslims

      Ever hear of a guy named George Habash? Look him up. There are thousands of Arab Christians just like him.

      • MN dude

        Wow that guy was crazy! Fighting for the extermination of his own kind! Just like the Left here in the West but to the extreme! Useful idiot to the max! OK back to the drawing board… lol.

      • IslamDownpressesHumanity

        Um, if the Christians in the area are just as bad as the muslimes then why are they getting exterminated?

    • Americana

      There’s no way to expel any of the players from any part of this region without resorting to warfare to do so. If you think you can resort to warfare without lighting the fuse on a larger Middle East conflict, be my guest. Southern Lebanon especially is not an area that could be handled in such a roughshod manner, not w/the power of the entrenched Hezbollah. None of these suggestions would be my choice. Particularly none of the choices that are patently land seizures by Israel.

      Accepting refugees from any of the persecuted populations in the region from almost any of the other nations that are under threat from ISIS and where the Muslims have begun persecuting and killing the demographics they consider “undesirables” might be feasible. But that would also be a massive logistical problem both to gather them up and transport them and then to get them settled and continue to keep them supplied w/food and water and prevent outbreaks of illnesses. As far as Israel goes, it’s very hard to effectively harbor massive numbers of refugees when your own country is on a war footing. There’s also no way to necessarily transform the able-bodied men and women from these refugees into fighting men/women.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        There’s no way to expel any of the players from any part of this region without resorting to warfare to do so.

        So what’s wrong with that? They are waging war (holy war) perpetually against any and all infidels throughout the world. Thus, what is wrong with fighting fire with fire? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Not a damn thing!

        Indeed, if they are going to ethnically cleanses all infidels from Iraq, then there is nothing wrong with the infidel world reacting by ethnically cleansing all Muslims from what you call Palestine.

      • Drakken

        When you kill enough of your enemy(muslims) you don’t really give a rats azz what they have to say about the matter, war is coming, your just to slow to get it. This half azzed nonsense was just a preamble.

      • Habbgun

        Dear Americana,

        Your knowledge of all things is legendary. The stars bow, the sun curtsies. The moon gazes longingly at your cankles.

        Please, please start a blog. A website where your acolytes can come and be enlightened. Your amazing, amazing talents are wasted here.

        • Americana

          I guess I don’t have to worry about investing in solar power for my house and barn then, if what you describe is the case then, right?

          • Habbgun

            Maybe, maybe not. It depends on whether you want to stand around or get some work done. Or maybe just wear them and store the energy in a battery.

          • Pete

            As much time as you spend here, I suspect you have hobby farm.

  • Texas Patriot

    Excellent analysis, Ms. Glick. I was beginning to worry about you with all your talk of assimilating Muslim operatives into the fabric of greater Israel under the one-state solution outlined in your book. The truth of the matter is that a two-state solution is being imposed on Israel externally by the emergence of the Islamic State under the leadership of Khalifa Ibrahim.

    Think of it this way. If only one percent of the world’s 1.5 billion Muslims respond to Ibrahim’s call to jihad, that represents an army of 15 million jihadi fighters ready to fight and die for the Islamic State. Fortunately, Khalifa Ibrahim has indicated that he intends to deal with the problem of apostasy in Islam before turning his attention to conquering the rest of the world, and from the standpoint of the Sunni-only perspective of the Islamic State, that means eliminating the ten percent of Muslims who identify with Iran, Hezbollah, and the Maliki government in Iraq.

    Israel, on the other hand, is probably destined to stand alone in the Middle East, as the Western-inspired sham governments created after WWI continue to collapse like houses of cards against the sustained onslaught of the Islamic State. Aside from the very real risk of ultimate extinction at the hands of the Islamic State, the good news from Israel’s perspective is the added clarity it will now have in dealing with Hamas and the PLO as well as radical jihadi elements already in its midst.

    • Benya Krik

      You’re right: Ms. Glick has proposed a one-state solution, and what would Israel do with all of the Muslims? Expel them? Kill them? Not allow them to have any voting rights? Ben Shapiro believes this, too. And Horowitz, I guess. Does anyone really believe that will work?

      • IslamDownpressesHumanity

        Gee, what have the f’ing muslims been doing to everyone else not a muslim all over the islamic world? Playing tiddlywinks?

      • Drakken

        It is a very simple equation, no more muslims= no more problems, any questions?

        • Benya Krik

          I know that is what Shapiro and Horowitz believe, and many, if not most of the readers of this forum. Good luck with that.

          • Drakken

            One way or another, the muslims will push it so it makes it so.

  • Jason P

    A sobering analysis by the superb Ms. Glick.

  • tickletik

    I want to repeat a quote that a friend of mine told me in regards to this situation:

    “A victory that needs explanation is no victory”


    I hope you read this comment Caroline. You may be a lot smarter than me, and every inch the patriot. But you are making a horrifying mistake with this article.

    You are assuming that “next time” it will be better. I promise you, “next time” will only be much much worse. Next time we will be facing a far more secure tunnel fortress system, better rockets, and a war on three fronts, not just one. And God help us if they don’t just stop with explosives in those rockets. We will be facing a full land/air invasion from the East and North, and that is while our cities will be shelled from Hezbollah in the north and Hamas in the South. And this time our opponents will be invading from PA controlled territory, and you can bet your life (and it may very well be your life) that the PA will be heavily fortifiying that region in anticipation of their ISIS friends finally putting their century long humiliation to rest.

    And this is not even considering the very real potential threat of a nuclear strike by Iran while we are dealing with all of the above. Or that Egypt won’t fall back into the hands of the brotherhood, in which case we will be dealing with a land invasion from the south consisting of M1A1 Abrams battle tanks in addition to all the rest.

    This is the scope of the current disaster. Every failure emboldens our enemies and leads to a much worse situation. We are assuming the Arabs are bumbling idiots. Well those “idiots” are very dedicated, a hell of a lot smarter than most people give them credit for, they have studied our strategies, read our military books, and they are war gaming this situation out very well.

    We are playing checkers and they are playing Go. And what’s worse, they are using our theories on how to do it.

    When this vile peace process started, we all predicted the end result, and the everyone denied anything like this would ever happen. And that if the Arabs went back on their word, well, we would stop the whole thing and everyone would support us.

    It’s gone even worse than any of us imagined, and STILL we are expected to go along with it. We are literally condemned by our enemies for not dying in sufficient numbers.

    We must all of us get this through our heads, this is not about a “misunderstanding” or a “mistake in policy”, this is about a concerted effort to get the Jews to commit suicide. And the leadership is going right along with it. I do not care if it is intentional or if they are simply incompetent. Take your pick, it doesn’t matter.

    Either way, all of the people responsible have to be thrown out of office. And we need to start a real discussion about what we are going to do. And by “we” I mean all of us, everywhere that understand the threat that is looming over the free world. Because this situation affects everyone. Delusional thinking is not going to help.

    We have to start getting serious.

  • Lanna

    Don’t blame the Israelis for being skeptical…they know the true colors of Hamas who never keeps their word. Those who can’t keep their word in an agreement are the true destroyers of any peace or prosperity agreement.

  • Doc

    These people tell there women to Nurse their children on hate that’s all they know is hate and be killed and what an honor it’s is to die for the cause . For the most part they are raised as soulless animal with a list of prey . The santanjc evil runs so deep that the few that escape it and convert are hunted down by there own families and killed . The only way to stop them is to kill them it’s a war of good vs evil with no middle ground

  • ObamaYoMoma

    The only solution for Israel is also the only solution for the greater infidel world at large and that is to put an end to the worldwide global jihad the Islamic totalitarian world is waging against all infidels and all infidel states once and for all. No individual infidel state can act alone to solve the jihad being waged against them. Not Israel, not India, not Thailand, not Nigeria, not China, not Russia, not Europe, not the USA, etc., etc., etc. It will have to take the collective action of the entire infidel world acting together in unison to accomplish that.

    • IslamDownpressesHumanity

      Can’t we rely on the huge majority of “good” and “moderate” mohammedans? I’m sure if we wait long enough they’ll save us all. Cough, gag.

  • IslamDownpressesHumanity

    I’ve noticed a disturbing lack of faith in all the “good” and “moderate” muslims of the world, surely you can count on them as a stabilizing, peaceful influence? Sarcastically speaking that is.

    • tickletik

      I think we can count on them to act like Muslims. That is, they respect strength and despise weakness. They will shamelessly lie, so it is good for them to be terrified of the consequences of engaging our wrath just as it is good to understand that a treaty is only worth something if it is backed up with guns,

    • Drakken

      The only good muslim is a dead muslim. Sooner or later your going to come to that stark realization.

  • Texas Patriot

    Caroline Glick, and indeed all Israelis, should read and reread, everything you have just said, again and again and again,

    • tickletik


      • Texas Patriot

        Thank you. I was very moved by the first video. The second reminded me of how much work we have left to do.

    • Drakken

      Sorry to have to break it to you, but! Ole Caroline is making the same goddamn mistake as they always make. leaving your enemy to fight another day, and the next time it is going to be far worse. ISIS is going to hit Israel from the north, west and south, and the idiots in charge can’t see it coming.

      • Americana

        Of course, Caroline Glick and the rest of the Israeli general staff is aware of the strategic possibilities but, first, ISIS has to take those compass points. The likelihood of that is less than certain.

        • IslamDownpressesHumanity

          Yeah and after all Hezbollah Lebanon is so much more tolerant and peaceful than ISIS — especially WRT Israel.

  • Armed_Infidel

    Obama is Israel’s number 1 problem. And US jews voted for and continue to support him overwhelmingly. Now that’s a sad story.

  • Drakken

    There you go again Israel, half azzing it expecting a different result, you will be doing this again in less than a year and just wait until ISIS gets into Jordan and northern Lebanon. Time for you to quit worrying about so called do gooding leftists, time to take off the damn gloves and put on the mailed fist and eliminate Gaza once and for all time, think Carthage!

  • Drakken

    There ya go! Someone who goddamn gets it! Never let academics run wars for they are too bloody soft and forget the 11the commandment, know they enemy as well as they know they self. This is going to be a h*ll of a lot worse than anyone can possibly imagine.

  • rebaaron

    The name of the game is Iran. Deal with Iran and all the other threats will melt away. Everything else is a distraction. That’s why Hamas dragged us into Gaza, kicking and screaming, while Iran smiled from the sidelines. We only went at all because we had no choice. Thank goodness, Netanyahu is smart enough to do the minimum necessary to stop the rockets, and, together with Egypt, keep Gaza’s borders sealed against a resupply of rockets etc. we have spent $3 billion and 63 lives, that’s more than enough for a distraction.

    • Americana

      Unfortunately, what you believe is not the truth. The jihadists under Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the man who just declared the resurrection of the Caliphate w/himself as Caliph, are operating as a separate unit from all other Arab entities and have nothing to do w/the central government in Iran. al-Baghdadi who’s now calling himself Ibrahim Khalifa, Caliph of the new Caliphate, has requested that all Arabs submit to the Caliphate and join him. He hasn’t stated exactly all the minutiae of how he believes that should be done viz Arab governments, but that’s his first step. Iran is so far not on their radar but will become more so if the Iranians keep reinforcing the Iraqi government. So far, Iran has only sent some elite troops from the Republican Guard Quds force and Iranian fighter jets. Once the infighting clarifies the situation as far as al-Baghdadi can tell, he’ll plot out his next moves. Hopefully, by then, we’ll have figured out how to send him special delivery via a Hellfire missile to a special region in Hell.

    • Americana

      Iran is a separate issue from Hamas and the Palestinians and is also a separate issue from ISIS. We won’t be able to forget we need to deal w/Iran but the biggest threat at the moment is what ISIS will do to consolidate power in the region and whether or not ISIS will be able to seize an actual government vs seize large amounts of territory. Iran has now sent some of its Republic Guard Quds Force and some Iranian war planes to Iraq to shore up Iraq’s pulverized and penetrated areas. The U.S. also sent war planes to bomb the area around Erbil to help defend Erbil and the Kurds as well as those Yazidi who’ve taken refuge outside.

    • Pete

      Just ignore Americana. She is a kool aid drinker or is here as part of a maskirova ploy.

      “But it wasn’t that long ago that the U.S. Treasury Department was openly accusing Tehran of aiding the same terrorist network that’s now sweeping through Iraq.”

      “Iran “also allowed AQ members to operate a core facilitation pipeline through Iranian territory, enabling AQ to carry funds and move facilitators and operatives to South Asia and elsewhere.””

  • Americana

    One last thing, if the following were true — The UN is institutionally committed to delegitimizing and ultimately destroying Israel. — then Israel wouldn’t have been granted FULL membership in the United Nations.

    • Pete

      It is true.

      The UN could grant Israel full member ship n 1948 or shortly thereafter and then 2 or 3 decades later just start excoriating it due to 57 Islamic countries

      Since there are 195 countries they Jew haters don’t yet have the muscle to kick Israel out, but they are gunning for it.

      What is hard to understand about this?

      Oh, Nevermind.

      • Americana

        Do you simply NEVER THINK OF THE ENTIRE POLITICAL SCENARIO at one time when you write a post? The United Nations couldn’t grant Israel full-status as a state in1948 because Palestine wasn’t also declared a state simultaneously by its own people. To tip the neutrality scale and say Israel had the right to declare itself sovereign over all that territory — including Palestinian territory and the U.N. mandate over Jerusalem — would have been diplomatic insanity for the U.N.

        As for other nations in the U.N. trying to kick Israel out, they’re not in the most strategic seats in the U.N., are they? They can vote all they want and they still won’t be able to budge the final votes into line. Israel is there in the U.N. for the foreseeable future. Either develop some grasp of international affairs or not, but don’t expect everyone to simply buckle under your crass comments. (Not that the above is crass, but you’re written plenty of other crass, rude and crude comments directed at me that have about as much intellectual heft as toilet tissue.)

        • Pete

          “Since the mid-1970s, when an Arab-Soviet-Third World bloc joined together to form what amounted to a pro-PLO lobby at the United Nations, this accusation has rung poignantly true. Particularly in the General Assembly, these countries — nearly all dictatorships or autocracies — frequently vote together to pass resolutions attacking Israel and supporting the Palestinians.”

          “Since its founding in 1948, the United Nations Security Council, as of January 2010, has adopted 79 resolutions directly critical of Israel for violations of U.N. Security Council resolutions, the U.N. Charter, the Geneva Conventions, international terrorism, or other violations of international law.” – wiki

          Are you one of the 5.623 signees? It is right up your alley.

          “We, the undersigned citizens of the world, call on the United Nations General Assembly to rescind Israel’s membership in the UN, as a step toward ending Zionist apartheid.”

        • Pete

          You buds at work. Notice they were so brave, they did not out their name to the article.

          “Call for revoking Israel UN membership ”

          August 04, 2014

  • Pete

    If the Iranian problem had not been allowed to fester, ISIS might not exist.

    1. Iran supported the previous incarnation of ISIS during the Iraq War.

    2. If Iran had not supported Assad, Syria, Venezuela, the terrorists in the Tri-Border Area (TBA). Other problems like ISIS would be and would have been much easier to deal with.

    Dealing with ISIS while dealing with Iran is analogous to dealing with Japan while dealing with Germany at the same time during WW2. Japan would have surrendered much sooner if we hadn’t had to deal with Germany also.

    • Americana

      No, sorry, ISIS or something similar was coming down the pike at some point because we’ve allowed the Middle East Palestinian jihad to keep festering and developing all sorts of offshoots. Also, we’re unable to manage the most religiously backward regions of Islam and the countries w/the most religiously backward areas are equally as incapable of policing those regions.

      Your analogy about dealing simultaneously w/Japan and Germany is off-base in that we’re not officially at war w/the government of Iran. We are arrayed against irregular forces that have no official connections to governments, even such governments as the Palestinian. The U.S. has had a few significant intelligence operations against Iran. Stuxnet was particularly BRILLIANT. The U.S. also likely didn’t fail to greenlight the Israeli assassination of certain Iranian nuclear scientists.

      The U.S. may have a better chance now w/the new intelligence initiatives like PRISM but we’ll still have to rely on our intelligence partner, on unreliable nations like Palistan, as far as liaising w/intelligence services that have been compromised and infiltrated.

      • Pete

        Islam countries in general will come after us. They always have.

        The Muslims tried to kill us in the cradle.

        The Pirate Coast: Thomas Jefferson, the First Marines, and the Secret Mission of 1805

        “In an attempt to stop the legendary Barbary Pirates of North Africa from hijacking American ships, William Eaton set out on a secret mission to overthrow the government of Tripoli. The operation was sanctioned by President Thomas Jefferson, who at the last moment grew wary of “intermeddling” in a foreign government and sent Eaton off without proper national support. Short on supplies, given very little money and only a few men, Eaton and his mission seemed doomed from the start. He triumphed against all odds, recruited a band of European mercenaries in Alexandria, and led them on a march across the Libyan Desert. Once in Tripoli, the ragtag army defeated the local troops and successfully captured Derne, laying the groundwork for the demise of the Barbary Pirates. Now, Richard Zacks brings this important story of America’s first overseas covert op to life.”>
        The Muslims tried to kill us in the cradle.

        The Pirate Coast: Thomas Jefferson, the First Marines, and the Secret Mission of 1805

        “In an attempt to stop the legendary Barbary Pirates of North Africa from hijacking American ships, William Eaton set out on a secret mission to overthrow the government of Tripoli. The operation was sanctioned by President Thomas Jefferson, who at the last moment grew wary of “intermeddling” in a foreign government and sent Eaton off without proper national support. Short on supplies, given very little money and only a few men, Eaton and his mission seemed doomed from the start. He triumphed against all odds, recruited a band of European mercenaries in Alexandria, and led them on a march across the Libyan Desert. Once in Tripoli, the ragtag army defeated the local troops and successfully captured Derne, laying the groundwork for the demise of the Barbary Pirates. Now, Richard Zacks brings this important story of America’s first overseas covert op to life.”>

      • Pete

        If Britain had not stopped the Saudis they would have conquered Jordan and other countries around 1920.

        They would not have stopped there and it had nothing to do with Israel.

        “The Ikhwan first appeared around 1913. They were the product of Wahhabi clergy who aimed to break up the Bedu tribes and settle them around the wells and oases, on the grounds that nomadic life was incompatible with strict conformity with Islam. The newly Islamicized Bedouin would be converted from nomad raiders to soldiers for Islam (i.e. Wahhabi Islam). “

      • IslamDownpressesHumanity

        Who is funding these various islamic terrorist groups all over the world? Or do you think Qassam rockets, ammunition, mortars, AK-47’s, HMG’s and LMG’s are all just gifts of allah? Could Iran be funding islamic terrorism? Or any of the other oil rich islamic-fascist states? Or maybe it’s the moderate muslim donating money to islamic “charities”?

  • tickletik

    Clean up on aisle 7, clean up on aisle 7.

  • Armed_Infidel

    Would you shoot them, a$$h*le?

  • Drakken

    Come on there Sparky, put your money where you jihadist loving mouth is and join those poor oppressed pali’s. How much do you wanna bet that you won’t do it? Puzzy!

  • Habbgun

    Gee guy…. How did you find time to look away from your pictures of little half naked aryan blonde boys and staring at yourself wearing black lipstick in the mirror. Could you put any less swish in your goose step?