Responding to the Slaughter

635518979796654817-GTY-459169342Originally published by the Jerusalem Post

What we are seeing in Jerusalem today is not simply Palestinian terrorism. It is Islamic jihad. No one likes to admit it. The television reporters insist that this is the worst possible scenario because there is no way to placate it.

There is no way to reason with it.

So what else is new? The horrible truth is that all of the anti-Jewish slaughters perpetrated by our Arab neighbors have been motivated to greater or lesser degrees by Islamic Jew-hatred. The only difference between the past hundred years and now is that today our appeasement-oriented elite is finding it harder to pretend away the obvious fact that we cannot placate our enemies.

No “provocation” by Jews drove two Jerusalem Arabs to pick up meat cleavers and a rifle and slaughter rabbis in worship like sheep and then mutilate their bodies.

No “frustration” with a “lack of progress” in the “peace process,” can motivate people to run over Jewish babies or attempt to assassinate a Jewish civil rights activist.

The reason that these terrorists have decided to kill Jews is that they take offense at the fact that in Israel, Jews are free. They take offense because all their lives they have been taught that Jews should live at their mercy, or die by their sword.

They do so because they believe, as former Jordanian MP Ya’qub Qarash said on Palestinian television last week, that Christians and Muslims should work together to forbid the presence of Jews in “Palestine” and guarantee that “not a single Jew will remain in Jerusalem.”

Our neighbors are taught that Muhammad, the founder of Islam, signed the treaty of Hudaybiyah in 628 as a ploy to buy time during which he would change the balance of power between his army and the Jews of Kuraish. And 10 years later, once his army gained the upper hand, he annihilated the Jews.

Throughout the 130-year history of modern Zionism, Islamic Jew-hatred has been restrained by two forces: the desire of many Arabs to live at peace with their Jewish neighbors; and the ability of Israeli authorities and before them, British authorities, to deter the local Arab Muslims from attacking.

The monopoly on Arab Muslim leadership has always belonged to the intolerant bigots. Support for coexistence has always been the choice of individuals.

Haj Amin el-Husseini’s first act as the founder of the Palestinian Arab identity was to translate The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and serialize them in the local press.

During the Arab jihad of 1936-1939, Husseini’s gangs of murderers killed more Arabs than the British did. He targeted those who sought peaceful coexistence with the Jews.

His successor Yasser Arafat followed his example.

During the 1988-1991 Palestinian uprising, the PLO killed more Palestinians than the IDF did. Like Husseini, Arafat targeted Palestinians who worked with Israel.

Since Israel imprudently embraced Arafat and the PLO in 1993 and permitted them to govern the Palestinians in Judea, Samaria and Gaza, and exert direct influence and coercive power over the Arabs of Jerusalem, the Palestinian Authority’s governing institutions have used all the tools at their disposal to silence those who support peaceful coexistence with Israel, and indoctrinate the general public in Islamic and racial Jew-hatred.

Much has been made of the recent spike in incitement of violence by Palestinian leaders led by Arafat’s successor Mahmoud Abbas. But the flames Abbas and his comrades are throwing would not cause such conflagrations if they hadn’t already indoctrinated their audience to desire the destruction of the Jews.

You cannot solicit murder among those who haven’t been taught that committing murder is an act of heroism.

Today Israel must take swift, effective action to stop the slaughter. The damage that has been done to the psyches of the Arabs of Jerusalem and their brethren in Judea, Samaria and Gaza, cannot be repaired in a timeline relevant to the task of preventing the next massacre.

This means that for the time being, on the tactical level, Israel’s only play is strengthening its deterrence.

Israel faces two major constraints in meeting this challenge.

First, the European Union and the Obama administration, as well as the US foreign policy elite, are obsessively committed to a policy of empowering the Palestinians against Israel.

The Spanish parliament’s decision to go ahead with its planned vote to recognize the “State of Palestine,” just hours after the massacre at the Bnei Torah Kehillat Yaakov synagogue in Jerusalem’s Har Nof neighborhood shows that the EU’s dedication to strengthening the Palestinians against Israel is entirely unrelated to events on the ground.

They don’t care who the Palestinians are or what they do. For their own reasons they have made supporting the Palestinians at Israel’s expense their top foreign policy priority.

Similarly, US President Barack Obama couldn’t contain his compulsion to pressure Israel even in his statement condemning the massacre. Even there, Obama called on Israelis and Palestinians equally to restrain themselves.

Obama’s unabated hostility toward Israel was brought to bear on Tuesday afternoon when the State Department restated its rejection of Jewish property rights in Jerusalem and its desire to see the homes of terrorist murderers left intact for the welfare of their terror-supporting families.

On Tuesday, Israel’s social media outlets were filled with angry rebukes of Western media outlets from CNN to MSNBC to CBS, to the BBC. All these networks, and many others, did everything in their power to explain away the synagogue slaughter as just another instance of a cycle of violence. That is, they all sought to frame the discussion in a way that would lead their viewers to the conclusion that the slaughter of praying rabbis was justified.

While appalling, the coverage was not the least surprising. The Western elite media’s devotion to their false narrative of Israeli culpability for all the problems in the region is absolute. Networks would rather wreck their professional reputations than tell the truth.

Together with the EU, the American policy elite and the Obama administration, the media place Israel’s leaders in a bind. Every step they take to defend the country and protect the rights of Jews meets with automatic and libelous condemnation.

The other impediment Israel faces in deterring anti-Jewish violence against its citizenry is its own weakness. Since the inception of the phony peace process, Israel has continuously rewarded the Palestinians for their murderous violence against its citizenry.

From Israel’s transfer of control over all the Palestinian population centers in Judea and Samaria, to its forcible expulsion of its own people from Gaza, to its repeated releases of terrorists from prison, to its continued transfer of hundreds of millions of shekels in tax revenues to the PA, Israel has showed the Palestinians at every turn that far from being punished for murdering Jews, they will be rewarded for doing so.

Given the US and European support for the Palestinians, Israeli declarations that there will be no future releases of terrorists have no credibility. If terrorists aren’t killed on the spot, they can assume that they will eventually be released; if not in exchange for an Israeli hostage, Israel will release them in an attempt to placate the White House.

But even with these constraints on its actions, Israel can take steps to deter its hate-filled enemies from attacking.

Since the current campaign of murder is being carried out by terrorists largely acting on their own accord, the measures Israel adopts to stop the attacks should be directed primarily against individual terrorists. As for action against the PA, it needs to be credible, consistent and directed to where it will hurt Palestinian leaders the most: their wallets.

With regard to the individual terrorists, the government has made much of its intention to destroy the homes of terrorists. While it sounds good, there is limited evidence of the effectiveness of this punitive measure, which is a relic of the British Mandate.

Rather than destroy their homes, Israel should adopt the US anti-narcotics policy of asset seizure.

All assets directly or indirectly tied to terrorists, including their homes and any other structure where they planned their crimes, and all remittances to them, should be seized and transferred to their victims, to do with what they will.

If Israel hands over the homes of the synagogue butchers to the 24 orphans of Rabbi Moshe Twersky, Rabbi Kalman Levine, Rabbi Aryeh Kupinsky and Rabbi Avraham Goldberg, not only will justice be served. The children’s inheritance of the homes of their fathers’ killers will send a clear and demoralizing message to other would-be killers.

Not only will their atrocities fail to remove the Jews from Israel. Every terrorist will contribute to the Zionist project by donating his home to the Jewish settlement enterprise.

Just as Israel has repeatedly buckled under US pressure to release terrorists from jail, so it has bowed to US pressure to continue to fund the PA by transferring the tax revenues it collects on goods imported to the PA.

Assuming that the government is too weak to stand up to the Americans, at a minimum it can see that the money is properly used.

To that end, the Knesset should pass a law permitting Israeli terror victims to sue the PA for actual and punitive damages in Israel courts. The sums awarded to the victims should be taken from the tax revenues Israel collects for the PA. The law should apply retroactively to all victims of Palestinian terror carried out since the establishment of the PA in May 1994.

Not only should the law permit Israeli terror victims to sue the PA. It should dictate actions the Justice Ministry must take to assist them in bringing suit.

Israel should also revoke citizenship and residency rights not only from terrorists themselves, but from those who enjoy citizenship and residency rights by dint of their relationship with the terrorists.

Wives who received Israeli residency or citizenship rights though marriage to terrorists should have their rights revoked, as should the children of the terrorists.

Since Tuesday’s massacre, aside from Abbas’s phony condemnation, the Palestinian leadership and public from Fatah to Hamas have been unanimous in their praise for the atrocity.

Today Israel is powerless to influence the hearts of our Arab neighbors. But we can influence their minds. We can deter them from attacking us.

The actions set forth above: asset seizure, revenue seizure and citizenship/residency abrogation for terrorists and their dependents are steps that Israel can take today, despite the hostile international climate.

If the government and Knesset adopt these measures, they will rectify some of the damage Israel has inflicted on itself by showing the Palestinians over two decades that they will be rewarded for their aggression.

If our leaders fail to take these or similar actions, and suffice with complaining about incitement, their condemnations of the murder of Jews will ring as hollow as those sounded by the BBC, Obama and Abbas.

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  • Hank Rearden

    Excellent. Doable. Effective. Painful.

    Also, one wonders why Israel doesn’t publish an audit of the PA. Yes, it would be estimates from outsiders, but once you study a problem it is quite surprising how close you can come on cash flow. For instance, what IS Abbas’ net worth? Is it in the Arafat range of $1 billion? Or has be been a faithful servant to his people? It would be interesting to know.

    But in the meantime, asset seizure and transfer. Outstanding!

  • John Pallyswine

    Apart from asset seizures, the only normal response is to deport them ALL to Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, et all but away from Gaza and the “West Bank”. That is the only normal and rational thing to do.

    If the Western elites believe that hope for peace is still alive then deport a bunch to Europe. It can be done.

    Put them on barges and drag them out to sea and into European waters. Deny it all when confronted. Remove any and all evidence from the boats. Blame it on a gang. That is the European way of dealing with the extermination of the native indigenous of the New World and Australia: deny, deny, deny and blame it on a gang of misfits.

    • mollysdad

      Deportation and expulsion is an idea that must be considered, to cleanse God’s Holy Land from these foreign infidels.

      • Joy Beum

        That is a great idea and one I’ve thought about, but what would happen in the rest of the muslim world. The UN is run by muslims and muslim lovers. Might make it worse. If they wait until we get rid of obamy, we will be able to stand side by side with Israel, as God has stated we are to do.

    • billobillo54

      In other words, you want to set the entire world against the Israelis now with a righteous vengeance. Mrs. Glick’s “One State Solution” is the only viable solution. Muslims who want to live in peace can apply for citizenship status. To punish the innocent is both unwise and unjust. The Israelis must live up to who they are: God’s people and “a light to the gentiles.” That includes a righteous and Godly strength so they may defend the innocent from the onslaught of the Muslim antimessiah. Everything Mrs. Glick wrote here seems reasonable and necessary. Mass deportations are not part of the equation.

      • John Pallyswine

        1) In other words, you want to set the entire world against the Israelis now with a righteous vengeance – Only those countries who are HYPOCRITES such as England, UK, Britain or whatever those freaks call themselves, France, Germany ( negotiable), Austria, Norway, Spain and Venezuela.

        2) Israel has done her best to modernize these cutthroats. Now it is Europe’ turn.

      • JayWye

        the “entire world” is ALREADY set against Israel. the US is about the only nation that supports Israel,and even that support is not what it should be. The US should be telling the “Palestinians” to get with it and reach some compromise,and if they don’t we shift our aid money that they receive to ISRAEL until they do. We also tell the “Palestinians” that we’re giving our full and UNCONDITIONAL support to Israel. No more pressuring Israel for “ceasefires” or prisoner releases.

        • billobillo54

          John Pallyswine wrote this: “the only normal response is to deport them ALL to Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, et all but away from Gaza and the “West Bank”. That is the only normal and rational thing to do.” That is insanity. Read what I wrote. I’ll recap point by point:

          1. The “One State Solution” is the only viable solution. (Read Caroline Glick’s Book-Judea and Samaria and keep Jerusalem under current Israeli Law)
          2. Muslims who want to live in peace can apply for Israeli citizenship (just like in the Golan, for example).
          3. To deport Israeli Arabs who LOVE LIVING IN INRAEL UNDER THE ISRAELIS would be a mistake to say the least.
          4. Zionism is truth. Zionism is Godly.
          5. To divide Israel is a prescription for Armageddon and violates God’s Word (e.g. Joel 3:2).

          • tickletik

            It won’t work. It’s time to realize that reality does not always subscribe to how we would like it to be.

            It is also time to realize that we have not got anything to lose at this point.

      • Well Done

        Israel owes non-Israeli Arabs nothing, and deporting them to Jordan, Sinai, or Syria would only be putting them back the land of their ancestors, according to Yassir Arafat.

  • Bamaguje

    “…Muhammad,
    the founder of Islam, signed the treaty of Hudaybiyah in 628 as a ploy
    to buy time… during which he would change the balance of power between
    his army and the Jews of Kuraish. And 10 years later, once his army
    gained the upper hand, he annihilated the Jews” – Caroline Glick.

    Hudaybiyyah was a treaty between Mohammed and Meccan pagans, not Jews. Quraish were pagan Arabs not Jews.
    Furthermore the treaty did not last up to the stipulated 10 years. Mohammed found excuse to break it and invade Mecca after just two years.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      mohammed broke his non-aggression pact like socialist hitler broke his non-aggression pact with socialist stalin in 1939.

    • Well Done

      Don’t trip over details. The fact is, old Mo used that treaty as a weapon to give him time to defeat those with whom he signed the treaty. That’s how Islam did things then, and now.

  • 1shotthesher1ff

    This has put the last nail in the coffin of any “peace process” Jews in Israel will need to defend themselves, Jews in Europe will need to work with Kurds, Shia, Sikhs to resist the ethnic cleansing there is no scope left for appeasement.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Shia????? You forget about Fascist Iran? WTF?

      • Joy Beum

        In Iran, a few bombs hitting their nuclear facilities ought to do it. End of problem.

      • Well Done

        Most of the terror problem comes from Sunni, not Shia.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Fascists Shiite Iran holds death to America rallies.

          That demands a reply.

          DEATH to fascist iran!
          HANG the ayatollahs!
          HANG their revolutionary gestapo!

          LONG LIVE PERSIA!

  • FactsRule

    Creative, but won’t deter them nor work because millions of them are willing to die & suffer & to sacrifice everything for a hundred years to destroy Israel.
    For the same explosion of condemnation Israel would receive in response, they can permanently solve this existential issue.
    The ONLY effective AND compassionate solution has always been & will always be their legal repatriation to Jordan & Egypt. Netanyahu calls Abbas & tells him to begin to inform his people that they’re going back to Jordan, the Gazans back to Egypt.
    He then calls Hussein & El Sisi & explains how Israel tried everything possible to create a state for the so-called Palestinians for 46 years, but have been unsuccessful. Now, Israel is exercising her legal right to repatriate them back onto the side of the border of the countries who lost the war instead of allowing this overwhelmingly genocidal population to remain on Israel’s side. Then, he calls a worldwide press conference where he chronicles everything that has happened since 1967 illustrating the impossibility of continuing the status quo. He includes the efforts to build cities for them, the signed agreements they’ve overwhelmingly ignored, the millions murdered, injured, & harmed directly & indirectly, etc.
    He gives them four weeks to leave. Money isn’t Israel’s problem. They’ve already spent hundreds of billions on them & on protecting themselves from them.
    He then moves from area to area evacuating any of them remaining to Jordan & Egypt by car, camel, or on foot.
    Based on my rough draft, the brilliant experts in Israel’s government implement this legal & moral repatriation & the entire problem is solved, period.
    All other measures have or will fail, except annihilation, which doesn’t have the compassion component of repatriation.
    Repatriation has been used following many wars since time immemorial.
    There has never been a more appropriate use of repatriation than in this situation. It isn’t even slightly close.

  • Gamal

    The incitement has to be stopped by force.

    • Well Done

      That’s what Israel tries to do, but the “palestinians” continue to spend aid money on military infrastructure and weapons.

      • Gamal

        Aid money could be used to stop incitement. Incite and you don’t get aid. Incitement would get muffled very quickly.

  • Harry_the_Horrible

    Seize the Temple Mount. Toss all the Moslems off it. Demolish the al-Asqua mosque. Repeat the process to a new Moslem (un)holy site with each new attack.

    • Joy Beum

      Harry the brilliant! You have hit upon a very good idea. :)

    • Well Done

      Reclaiming holy sites that were overrun by Islamists centuries ago would be a good idea. Fighting the war on Islam’s level is the only way to win. Fighting the war any other way only plays into the hands of Islamists.

  • Carla Chamorro

    This has put the last nail in the coffin of any “peace process” Jews in Israel will need to defend themselves, Jews in Europe will need to work with Kurds, Shia, Sikhs to resist the ethnic cleansing there is no scope left for appeasement.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      What’s your deal with including the Shia? Fascist Iran is Shia and a threat to the entire world – as seen in their Nuremberg style rallies in Fascist Iran.

    • Gee

      The Kurds are no friend of the Jews. They merely share enemies.

      The Turks used the Kurds to kill the Armenians and like the Eurotrash that volunteered for the SS they too had no problem is murdering more than 1 million women and children

  • itaintmojo

    Great ideas. I hope Bibi listens and implements ASAP.

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    Islamofascism in the US is as dangerous as Ebola in the US.

  • Bandido

    It’s kill or be killed. Israel and the West must kill, and keep on killing jihadists, until the reason for the killing is gone.

    • Joy Beum

      Agreed. Power is all they understand, so speak to them in their own language.

  • Texas Patriot

    Very nice, very measured, and of course very appropriate, but it sounds like a fairly anemic and tepid response to me. Why not just move directly to solve the problem and prepare for the coming civilizational conflict with Jihadists in the region and from around the world by expelling all Muslims who will not publicly renounce all violent aspects of the doctrine of Islamic Jihad? Too little too late won’t solve the problem if Israel is about to get washed away by a global tsunami of Islamic Jihad coming from all of its neighbors and violent Jihadists from around the world. Does Israel really expect to make peace with Muslims at any time in the foreseeable future?

    • Well Done

      Public renouncement wouldn’t keep moslems from doing violence. It would just give them the opportunity to strike at the strategic moment.

      • Texas Patriot

        Those who renounced violent jihad and then engaged in it subsequently contrary to their prior renunciation could be deported immediately along with a forfeiture of citizenship and any right of return. But first it is only fair that they should be warned and made to understand the seriousness of the issue. Give up violent jihad once and for all, or you will be expelled, either now or later. The ones who wanted to stay on as peace-loving Israeli citizens would get the message.. The rest would need to leave.

  • Metatrona

    Caroline, You are so brilliant. The world should pay attention when you speak and when you write. God willing, that will happen SOON!

  • Joy Beum

    Thank you for making the same statement I am always making: “You cannot solicit murder among those who haven’t been taught that committing murder is an act of heroism.” Arabs hate Israelis, Americans, Europeans…anyone who is not muslim. Strength and force is all they respect. We (USA) need a government which is not muslim (as what we have now) and will band with Israel and other non-muslim nations.

  • Joy Beum

    Yes, they are. It is sickening to see the children trained to cut heads off using dolls, as well as dancing inn the streets celebrating the vicious killings of Israelis. The only one they follow is satan himself.

  • Dan Knight

    Good advice Caroline, hopefully the ‘leadership’ will take it and use it.

    • cree

      Agree. She has what it takes to be a great leader herself. I wonder if she has considered it?

      • Dan Knight

        Good idea, Cree. She may have her reasons.

    • billobillo54

      Hey Dan: Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura from a Protestant who sees you on Shoebat.com.

      • Dan Knight

        Thank you, Billobillo54!

  • cree

    If only Israel could affect the never ending money going to the aggressor PA and Hamas. I wonder how many billions the US has sent to Israel’s enemy hoping in vain for peace? Our State dept. has had it all wrong. The Palestinians do not want peace. We’ve aided and abetted Israel’s enemy and helped turn most of the nations against Israel’s right for self defense and peace.

  • cjkcjk

    Israel destroys their houses and the hypocritical world sh@ts it’s collective pants! Those hypocrites would do far , far, worse in the vast majority of cases.
    Prophesied in both the Old and New Testaments that the whole world will besiege Israel .

  • 11bravo

    We should do the same thing to the jihadist here in the US. Your son kills someone here = revoke your entire families citizenship – empty your bank accounts, retirement accounts and other investments – confiscate your home – then deport you immediately.
    Divide up the money among the surviving family members.

  • 11bravo

    Israel should mobilize all military assets and simultaneously nuke however many Iranian nuclear installations they feel necessary to neutralize the Iranian threat. Their ground forces should sweep through Jerusalem and the west bank AND Gaza; oust all Muslims into the Sinai dessert, and prepare for an Arab military response – that I would bet would NEVER happen.
    Bibi goes on the TV and tells the world Never Again means NEVER AGAIN! Further stating; Israel would not have to do this but the US president refused our pleas for logistical support to conduct conventional warfare. American and European politicians would breath a sigh of relief that the Jews saved them from their own cowardice.
    The Islam problem would be solved for decades.

  • Beagle

    The massacre of Jews in Banu Qurayza took place in 627. The Treaty of Hudaybiyah was indeed executed in 628, but with Meccan pagans. Muhammad broke the agreement two years later and with an army of 10,000 conquered Mecca.
    There is a happy ending. Muhammad suffered a prolonged death by poisoning in 632.

    • nobullhere

      If only there’d been a happy ending. We’ve had nothing but murder and genocide from Jihadis throughout the 1,382 years since Mohammed’s death. And our problems with them are growing by the day.

      • Beagle

        That’s true. I was looking for a silver lining.

  • http://www.palestinecampaign.org Dave Drudge

    very true

  • Vinegar Hill

    Glick in her usual diatribe, raving against the Palestinian people, totally ignores the sixty odd years of oppression by the state of Israel against them.
    Palestinians are treated as second class citizens, they are discriminated against in Israeli school texts, they are dehumanised, the politicians make repugnant suggestions about how to treat them…..what next? All of this takes place in a “democratic country” called Israel! Many comments posted on web pages shout out loud that Palestinians should be thankful that they are treated “equally” in Israel! Many say, look, they are so much better off in Israel!
    The Palestinians in Israel protest about this treatement and they are accused of being disloyal to the state of Israel!
    Glick wraps up her attack with suggestesd actions that she claims will “deter them (Palestinians) from attacking us.” If only she would admit the truth of the matter and spend her energies towards enlightening others regarding the truth, then there would be no need to write with such aggressive vengeance.

    • tickletik

      Vinegar in his usual diatribe, raving against the Judaen people, totally ignores the six hundred odd years of oppression by the Arab Muslims against them.

      Jews are treated as non-human, they are discriminated against in Paelestinian Authority school texts, they are dehumanised, the Arab politicians make repugnant suggestions about how to treat them…..what next? All of this takes place in a “democratic country” called the “Palestinian Authrotiy”! Many comments posted on web pages shout out loud that the middle eastern descendants of Judaea should be thankful that they have been treated “fairly” in by Muslims! Many say, look, they were so much better off under Islam!

      The Jews in Israel protest about this treatement and they are accused of being disloyal to the world peace!

      Vinegar, being a mentally unbalanced degenerate who wants to kill and rape all Jews , wraps up its attack with suggestesd actions that it claims will “deter them (Jews) from oppressing the Palestinians.” If only he would admit the truth of the matter and spend his energies towards enlightening others regarding the truth, then there would be no need to write with such aggressive hatred.

    • tickletik

      By the way, did you get all your SJW friends to uptick your mindless little diatribe?

      • Vinegar Hill

        If you check my comment history you will see that I do not write comments on this page to get upticks.

        • tickletik

          If you check my comment history you will see that I regard you as a liar and a murderous hate filled propagandist.

          • MukeNecca

            “Murderous”…hmm,… I don’t know.
            But certainly obtuse and, above all, DESPERATELY DULL!.

            He will always send in an almost identical comment with some minor alterations. “60 years of oppression”, “second class citizens”, “discrimination in Israeli school text” (what in the world is this?), “dehumanized”, blah, blah and some more blah”.
            It sometimes may be challenging, and therefore fun, to dispute a more clever anti-Israel commenters, but this guy is a monumental drag. Being a drag is both his essence and his strategy.

        • Well Done

          LOL that much is obvious, gilligan.

    • Vinegar Hill

      I worte my comment in reply to the article. Why do you ignore my argument that Glick does not admit the reality of the situation as I explained. Perhaps you need to be reminded about the reality through the words of D B-G:
      “Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it’s true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country.
      If you would accept the truth of the matter you would not have to write utterly vulgar replies.

      • tickletik

        I did not ignore your argument, I responded to it directly. If anything, you have ignored my argument in response to your argument.

        As far as your vulgar and hurtful accusation that my comment in reply to your vulgar comment is vulgar, I see it has completely escaped your notice that I have nearly used your own argument word for word with only changing the nouns and dates to what was being referred to.

        Clearly it follows that ff you think my argument is vulgar, then it shows that you regard your own argument as vulgar. As for me, I cannot be accused of insult, when I am simply flattering you with imitation. If anything, you should feel complimented.

        If anything, I now take issue with you for such a crude and hurtful insult you direct at yourself. How dare you say that your own comments are vulgar?

        Now you have brought a quote by some random person with the initials of “DBG” I have no idea who “DBG” is, nor do I care. And because you are a proven liar, I do not even know if the quote is accurate. And even if it were, there are only a few men whose word I regard as the word of the Living God, and I suspect “DBG” is not among those.

        However, since you have brought a quote, of what is presumably a revered Jewish figure who delegitimizes Jewish rights to the Land of Israel (altho again, for all I know you are quoting a Muslim, or even making it all up), I will graciously quote you from the Qoran

        from http://www.templemount.org/quranland.html

        The Qur’an relates the words by which Moses ordered the Israelites to conquer the Land:

        “And [remember] when Moses said to his people: ‘O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.’” [Qur'an 5:20-21]

        Moreover – and those who try to use Islam as a weapon against Israel always conveniently ignore this point – the Holy Qur’an explicitly refers to the return of the Jews to the Land of Israel before the Last Judgment – where it says: “And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: ‘Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.’” [Qur'an 17:104]

        Thus the Qur’an which the Muslims claim is holy to them, itself proclaims my rights to this land. Therefore all Muslims who believe in the Qur’an admit that they are nothing more than thieves and murderers who are squatting on my land.

        • Vinegar Hill

          I can’t believe that you don’t know D B-G!! Google David Ben-Gurion and you will find out about one of the infamous “founding fathers” of Israel and the quote is what he had to say about the theft of Plaestinian land etc etc.

          • tickletik

            That man you quoted does not, never has, and never will speak for me, and I do not speak for him.

            The men I follow are the ones that drove the British out at with guns and blood, not the ones that got on their knees and kowtowed. Try again.

        • Vinegar Hill

          Why do you rely on religious sources as if they are perfect? They are lacking in authenticity and supportative evidence is not available.

          • tickletik

            The problem with arguing with you is not that you are an idiot, it is that you deliberately choose to be an idiot because of your love of viciousness and hatred. You are so clearly a vicious and twisted individual. If the people around you recognized your sick nature, they would throw you to the dogs. But I think you know that very well.

            That quote is what the Muslims believe. Whether Mohammed said the quote or not in real life is not relevant to the fact that the accepted narrative among Muslims says he made the statement. For that matter, I personally assume that everything in the Koran is utter lies and BS. But what I believe is irrelevant. This is what they believe as written in the books sacred to them.

            You may as well ask why I don’t use Hindu sources to contradict the Muslims.

      • Well Done

        You made no argument, merely an unsupported allegation. No surprise a shill for “palestinians” doesn’t know the difference.

        • Vinegar Hill

          Over 22 per cent of Israel’s population are Palestinian Arabs who are barred from inclusion in Jewish nationalism and suffer from institutionalised discrimination. There are at least 8 laws which enforce these discriminatory practices.
          I will elaborate on one or two of them and you can do your homework and go through the rest.
          The Israeli government defines land as the inalienable property of the Jewish people. As a consequence of that the absentee property laws of 1950 deprived Palestinians who had remained on their properties of possession.
          The nationality law of 1952 repealed Palestinian citizenship and placed stringent conditions on the eligibility of Palestinian Arabs for Israeli nationality but Jewish immigrants were automatically entitled to nationality.
          Simply put why don’t you cast an inquisitive eye over the following:
          1) the Law of Return (1950),
          2) the Law of Absentee Property (1950),
          3) the Law of the State’s Property (1951),
          4) the Law of Citizenship (1952),
          5) the Status Law (1952),
          6) the Israel Lands Administration Law (1960),
          7) the Construction and Building Law (1965),
          8) a 2002 temporary law banning marriage between Israelis and Palestinians of the Occupied Territories.

          I can support all that I have written. Can you do the same for your comments? If so please demonstarte it.

      • SaveTheWorld

        Others will be polite, I won’t , you have your head up your backside.

    • Well Done

      LOL “palestinians” have been killing Israelis and claiming victim status for so long, the world is full of idiots like “vinegar” who don’t know the difference. If the “palestinians” wanted peace there would have been peace a long time ago. They’re moslem. They don’t care about peace. You idiot. You need enlightening, you comical shill.

    • Kruton

      Kill all so called palestinians the world will be a better place!

  • Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus

    Caroline, you are right on all counts except one: the media no longer have a professional reputation to wreck. They have been exposed as the public relations arm of Barack Obama and their lies to cover his lawlessness have destroyed their reputations permanently. The majority of Americans now obtain their news from blogs and foreign news sources.

  • Janet Ann

    These incidences would come to an abrupt end if Israeli leadership would adhere to the Divine Road Map outlining what must be done in the protection of the God-given land and the Chosen People. The Islamic enemy whose charter denies Israel’s right to exist will never be appeased until it has driven the last Jew out of the land. What part of the Absolute Scriptures does Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu not comprehend?

    +++++

    Proverbs 3:5-6
    Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will direct your paths.

    Exodus 23:31-33
    I will establish your borders from the Red Sea (Sea of Reeds) to the Sea of the Philistines, (Mediterranean) and from the desert to the River . I will hand over to you the people who live in the land and you will drive them out before you. Do not make a covenant with them or with their gods. Do not let them live in your land, or they will cause you to sin against me, because the worship of their gods will certainly be a snare to you.

    Leviticus 25:23
    “The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants.”

    Numbers 33:55&56
    “If you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land, those you allow to remain will become barbs in your eyes and thorns in your sides. They will give you trouble in the land where you will live. And then I will do to you What I plan to do to them.”

  • Janet Ann

    Israeli leadership’s affording of the God-given to the enemy little by little in an effort to appease is all for naught. The enemy will never be satisfied until it has acquired every inch of Israel and not one Jew remains standing.

    +++

    REMINDER

    March 31, 1977 – Dutch Publication Trouw

    Zahir Muhsein – PLO Executive Committee Member

    “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

    For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2002/07/14501/

  • Surak1

    Unless you execute the terrorist leadership – Fatah (Abbas), Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hizbulah – as well as the imprisoned murderers, you are not yet serious.

  • Kahane had it right!!

    Israel continually is victimized by terror because it is not feared. The World because of their blatant hatred of Jews just sent Hamas 5.4 billion dollars including 500 million by the American Jews beloved Barack Obama. So what does Israel do to a send a message of deterrence? They are going to destroy the homes of the attacker. Folks they just got a fat check for 5.4 billion dollars which they will use to build these heroes mansions with marble floors. Every time Israel doesn’t finish the job the end result is more Jewish blood. Insanity is the definition of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Level the entire West Bank, arm the terrorist scum up and force them into Jordan. Let the World’s 5.4 billion dollars assimilate them into a country of which they are the majority. They have proven time and time again they cannot live like human beings side by side to a civilized nation. Israel stop being the laughing stock of the free world. What other country releases killers of their own people?

    • Janet Ann

      “Every time Israel doesn’t finish the job the end result is more Jewish blood. Insanity is the definition of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. ”

      EXACTLY!!

      Israel’s Cabinet Approves Prisoner Swap Deal With Hamas to Release Israeli Soldier
      Published October 11, 2011

      Israel’s Cabinet has approved a prisoner swap with Hamas that will bring home a captured Israeli soldier in exchange for more than 1,000 Palestinian prisoners. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu implored his Cabinet to support the deal, saying it was the best Israel could hope for.

      http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/10/11/israel-discussing-deal-to-free-captured-soldier/

  • Mr. W. H. Braden

    I would not stand for it. I would move the whole Lot 600 Km east. Take back the West Bank, send all the jihadist and supporters east. Why placate evil?

  • MukeNecca

    So where do you disagree with me?
    Mind you, I just like you, think that the person is a liar and Jew-hater. Additionally I maintain that he also is dumb.

    So it seems you have problem with my not being sure that referring to him as “murderous” is appropriate, apt or necessary. Well, murder is a serious thing and we must not fling the accusation of it lightly even at the people we detest as it only takes from the seriousness of murder and of our comment. Sounding hysterical is not what we need in engaging our opponents. It weakens our point

    • tickletik

      That’s pretty much it right there. Mostly I’m just practicing my rhetoric with him because I know he doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously on a dialectic level.

      • MukeNecca

        ” If you see anything I say that you think is off or over the top, comment on it, and I will make sure to read it seriously and treat your views with respect.”

        And likewise, my friend.

  • SaveTheWorld

    A well written, articulate and historically correct article. Most of the Arab leadership wants Israel gone and Jews dead. Most of the educated and modern world wants them to either become educated and tolerant or dead and gone. We have been putting up with the BS for too long.

  • Vinegar Hill

    I am not a “shameless liar”. The following quote:
    “Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never
    make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country.
    Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God
    is not theirs. We come from Israel, it’s true, but two thousand years
    ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis,
    Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we
    have come here and stolen their country.” comes straight from the mouth of David Ben-Gurion

    • tickletik

      “We”? “Us”?

      What “we” or “us” is there? Do you actually think I have some special regard for you because “we” theoretically share blood? Do you really think I am supposed to ignore the demonstrable fact that you are inciting people to murder me because your DNA has some magical “Jew properties”? Now you have show yourself to be a racist as well as a liar.

      For the record. Again. Here is the link:

      https://disqus.com/home/discussion/fp-mag/benny_gantzs_troubling_assessments/#comment-1635033519

      In it, you made the following challenge. QUOTE

      The conflict started in earnest when the state of Israel was established….demonstrate otherwise.

      I responded by showing that the Arabs were murdering Jews well before the state in 1929. Then, being the totally dishonorable backpeddling gutless wonder that you are, you denied that is what you meant, and referred to some comment you made several places earlier. Even tho your challenge was CLEAR AND OBVIOUS.

      So, YES YOU ARE A LIAR.

      And that is not even the extent of your lies and obfuscations. You refer to the “Treaty of Lausanne” even tho the treaty reference to Palestinians was talking about Jews, which I also demonstrate to you several times in several ways.

      Your response is simply to ignore evidence to the contrary and repeat baseless assertions, which means you are also acting in bad faith. you are willing to waste my time to dig through badly sourced nonsense but you won’t even bother responding to evidence to the contrary.

      WHICH MAKES YOU SHAMELESS.

      So as follows, I regard you as

      a) a liar

      b) shameless – you actually refer to blood ties and God when neither means anything to you at all.

      b) murderous – because you speak propaganda and LIES designed to dehumanize and delegitimize Jews.

      And now we have a new one: RACIST. Because you are sick enough to think that people owe you allegiance based on your genetics and not your actions.

      You make me sick.

  • herb benty

    King David would not have traded Israeli lives for land or “peace”. P friggin C has us so far down the leftist rabbit-hole that we are actually wondering IF/ HOW MUCH, retatiation is “appropriate”. How about for every Jewish life, a thousand muslim lives are snuffed out. That would give them pause.

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    muhammed needs more payback and Eternal Nakba.