Time for Consequences

Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas holds aOriginally published by the Jerusalem Post

It’s hard not to admire Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s brazenness.

Two weeks ago, Abbas signed on to 15 international agreements that among other things require the PA to respect human rights and punish war criminals.

And this week, he signed a unity deal with two genocidal terror groups all of whose leaders are war criminals. Every leader of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, the two parties that signed the deal with the PLO, are war criminals. Under the Geneva Conventions, which Abbas signed onto just a couple of weeks ago, he is required to put them on trial, for their war crimes.

Here it is worth noting that under the Geneva Conventions, every single rocket launch from Gaza into Israeli territory is a separate war crime.

Abbas was only able to sign the Geneva Conventions on the one hand, and the unity deal with terrorist war criminals on the other, because he is utterly convinced that neither the US nor the European Union will hold him accountable for his actions. He is completely certain that neither the Americans nor the Europeans are serious about their professed commitments to upholding international law.

Abbas is sure that for both the Obama administration and the EU, maintaining support for the PLO far outweighs any concern they have for abiding by the law of nations. He believes this because he has watched them make excuses for the PLO and its leaders for the past two decades.

When it comes to the Palestinians, the Western powers are always perfectly willing to throw out their allegiance to law – international law and their domestic statutes – to continue supporting the PLO in the name of a peace process, which by now, everyone understands is entirely fictional.

Why do they do this? They do it because the peace process gives them a way to ignore and wish away the pathologies of the Islamic and Arab world. The peace process is predicated on the notion that all those pathologies are Israel’s fault. If Israel would just surrender Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria to the Palestinians, then the Arabs writ large, and the Muslim world as a whole will cast aside their support for jihad and terrorism and everything will be fine.

At least that is how Abbas analyzes the situation.

And so far, the US has not disappointed him.

The Obama administration’s immediate response to Abbas’s unity with terrorist war criminals deal involved pretending it didn’t understand what had just happened.

In a press briefing on Wednesday, shortly after Hamas war criminal Ismail Haniyeh signed the deal with Fatah and Islamic Jihad, State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki acknowledged that the deal is bad for the peace process. But she wasn’t willing to reach the inevitable conclusion.

Rather, she averred, idiotically, “I think the ball, at this point, is in the Palestinians’ court to answer questions to whether this reconciliation meets the US’s long-standing principles.”

Two days before the unity deal, a reporter from Al-Monitor asked Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar if Hamas has given up terrorism.

Zahar responded, “Anyone who claims so must be drunk. How has Hamas abandoned the resistance [that is, terrorist] effort? What are the manifestations of it doing so? Where have we prevented the launching of rockets?” No ambiguity whatsoever there.

And Abbas just signed a deal Hamas, and with Islamic Jihad, the official representative of the Iranian mullahs in the Palestinian war criminal lineup.

No ambiguity there, either.

If the US is willfully blind to who the Palestinians are, what they are doing, and what they stand for, the Europeans are so committed to the Palestinians that they invented an imaginary world where international law protects war criminals and castigates their Jewish victims as international outlaws.

In the EU’s view, Hamas is an attractive organization.

During a meeting with Abbas last October, Catherine Ashton, the EU’s foreign policy chief, urged Abbas to sign a unity deal with Hamas. A statement from her office read that she views reconciliation between Fatah and Hamas “as an important element for the unity of a future Palestinian state and for reaching a twostate solution.”

And while unity between terrorist factions is something that Ashton considers conducive to peace, in her view, Jewish presence in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria is tantamount to a war crime.

In a statement released by her office last week, after Baruch Mizrahi was murdered by Palestinian terrorists while driving in his family car, with his wife and young children, to a Passover Seder, Ashton gave no more than a perfunctory condemnation of the war crime.

Four-fifths of her statement involved condemning Israel for respecting Jewish property rights and the rules of due process and international law in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria.

In the EU’s imaginary world, being in Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem while Jewish is a war crime. Murdering Jews is merely impolite.

The deal signed on Wednesday is the fourth unity deal Fatah has signed with Hamas. After the first one was signed in 2007, the so-called Middle East Quartet, which includes the US, the EU, the UN and Russia, issued three conditions for accepting the unity government: Hamas has to recognize Israel’s right to exist, abjure terrorism and accept the legitimacy of the previous agreements signed by the PLO with Israel.

As Zahar and every other Hamas leader has made clear repeatedly, these conditions will never be met.

But regardless of how Hamas views them, in and of themselves the Quartet’s conditions are deeply problematic. They themselves constitute a breach of international law.

The Quartet’s conditions assert that if Hamas and Islamic Jihad agree to them, they will be accorded the same legitimacy as the PLO. In other words, the Quartet members have committed themselves to granting immunity from prosecution for war crimes to all Palestinian terrorists.

Providing such immunity is arguably a breach of international law. And it exposes a profound and irrational dependence on the mythical peace process on the part of Western policy-makers.

Reacting to this week’s unity deal, Economy Minister Naftali Bennett said, “The agreement between Fatah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad brings the Middle East to a new diplomatic era. The Palestinian Authority turned into the largest terrorist organization in the world, 20 minutes from Tel Aviv.”

And under international law, including the agreements that Abbas acceded to just two weeks ago, Bennett is absolutely right.

Apologists for Abbas note that this week’s deal is as unlikely as all its predecessors to be implemented.

But even if they are right this doesn’t mean that Abbas’s repeated practice of signing unity deals with war criminals should be cast aside as insignificant.

They expose the lie at the heart of the peace process. The time has come to call things by their names. Abbas is a terrorist and the PA is a terrorist organization.

In light of this incontrovertible fact, the time has come to treat the PA in accordance with international law.

Perhaps shocked by Abbas’s behavior, perhaps overwhelmed by the serial failure of every one of its foreign policies, the administration acknowledged that Israel can’t be expected to negotiate with a government that doesn’t accept its right to exist.

Administration officials even said that the US would have to revisit its relationship with the PA in light of the agreement with Hamas.

No doubt, the administration is convinced that it can revert to form and ignore reality once again the moment the smoke as cleared. But whatever its intentions, the administration’s acknowledgment of Abbas’s bad faith opens the door to action by both Israel and the US Congress.

The Israeli government and the US Congress should take the steps necessary to bring their national policies toward the Palestinians into accordance with the law of nations.

On Thursday, the security cabinet rightly decided to end negotiations with the PA. But this cannot be the end of the line. Israel must also stop all financial transfers to the PA.

Just as critically, Israel must stop cooperating with PA security forces in Judea and Samaria.

It must end its support for US training of those forces and call for the US to end its mission to assist PA security forces.

Israel must begin arresting and prosecuting Palestinian officials who incite for the murder of Jews, and charge them with solicitation of murder.

The government should assist Israeli citizens in submitting war crimes complaints against Palestinian officials and the PA generally at international tribunals for their involvement in war crimes, including their incitement of genocide.

As for the US Congress, last week, with the passage into law of Sen. Ted Cruz’s bill banning terrorists from serving as UN ambassadors, the Congress showed that it is capable of acting to force the administration to uphold US anti-terror laws.

To this end, in accordance with those laws, Congress must act to immediately end US military support for Palestinian security services.

The Office of the US Security Coordinator for Israel and the Palestinian territories that trains Palestinian military forces should be closed straightaway. Its personnel should be redeployed out of the area forthwith.

So, too, given that the Palestinian Authority now inarguably meets the US definition of a foreign terrorist organization, the US must end all financial assistance to its operating budget. Also, in accordance with US law, the US banking system must be closed to PA entities. Foreign banks that do business with these entities should be barred from doing business with US banks.

Abbas is not interested in peace. The two-state model isn’t about achieving peace. It is about blaming the victim of the absence of peace for the absence of peace.

Abbas knows his apologists, both in Israel, and most important in the US and Europe. He knows they will go to any length to defend him.

The Israeli Left does so because without the phony peace process, Justice Minister Tzipi Livni, the Labor Party and Meretz become political irrelevancies.

The administration and the EU defend Abbas and the phony peace process because they don’t want to acknowledge the plain fact that Israel is the only stable ally they have in the Middle East and the stronger Israel is the more protected they are. Doing so contradicts their ideology.

So now Abbas is telling them that the deal is good for peace since it brings Hamas-controlled Gaza into the PLO and so reunifies the PA, which has been operating as two separate entities for seven years. And they may go along with it.

They’ve been perfectly willing to embrace utter nonsense countless times over the years.

Only the Israeli government and Congress can stop them. And they must stop them.

These phony peaceniks’ preference for Jew-killers over international law comes with a prohibitive price tag. Jews are murdered, war criminals are embraced, and the rule of law is rent asunder.

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  • Anamah

    This one is a new copy of Arafat disgusting nature …
    You can’t believe anything he says, he’s a despicable waste for humanity…

  • bass669

    You are correct, Netanyahu is a wimp, expect NOTHING from him.

    • The Guardian

      Netanyahu is all talk. He makes a Obama look like a man of action.

  • kasandra

    The Europeans are terrified of their Muslim populations and think they are buying domestic peace by selling out Israel. Well, there’s that and their historic anti-semitism.

    • EL CID

      the “nice” Europeans think like this. The others, like Ashton, hate Jews and are in denial of their hatred.

  • WillielomanIII

    Great writing by Caroline. But the problem is that voters in Israel continue to elect left wing anti-Jewish extremists. Until that stops, don’t expect the rest of the world to be supportive of the right of self determination for Jews and full human rights for Jews. Too many MK’s take positions that can easily be interpreted and anti-Jewish Israel. The idea of supporting any discussions with the PLO/PA is pathetic. PA and Hamas are the same thing…they are racist bigots and with Netanyahu still condoning discussions with people whose goal it is to murder Jews all over the world, how can we expect other nations to object. Voters in Israel need to take responsibility for continuing to put left wing Jew haters in office

    • StanleyT

      Actually, the majority of Israel’s voters do not elect left wing idiots. But the Israeli system of proportional representation is so outlandish that Netanyahu had to include Livni and Lapid in his government in order to create a ruling coalition. But with every passing day, the electorate grows wiser.

      • Joe The Gentile

        I recommend changing to Britain’s electoral system. That was what kept Thatcher in power for years. :)

  • Dyer’s Eve

    Is Abbas ‘Mabus’, the Third Antichrist?

  • The Facts

    Land grab! I want a copy of Ms. Glick’s new book, autographed using the blood of babies.

    • StanleyT

      And where do you plan to get this “blood of babies” for her to autograph your personal copy?

      You are a rather sick individual, aren’t you?

      • The Facts

        I presume it would come from the slaying of the unchosen in Judea and Samaria.

        • StanleyT

          And who would decide who is “unchosen”? And who would do the slaying?

          In other words, time for you to stop obfuscating. You are levelling a blood libel against the Jews. Say it out loud, pig.

          • ahad_ha_amoratsim

            The Facts has a long history on this site and others as a Jew-hating troll. I see that Bag Lady is also here, and I expect that other Jew-hating trolls will show up soon.

          • CaoMoo

            The facts, The fiction it’s all the same :)

          • ahad_ha_amoratsim

            That’s a fact!

          • The Facts

            It’s not libel if they actually kill children. It’s an abomination. But I guess they get a free pass because Martin Luther said some bad things a few centuries ago.

          • reader

            Children get killed on highways every day everywhere. Why don’t you beat around the bushes leveling charges against everybody? But, more to the point, why don’t you blame arab terrorists for killing children, when they actually target children consistently? These are, of course rhetorical questions. We know why: you’re a Jew hating troll.

          • The Facts

            Children get killed on highways every day, so Jews should be allowed to kill Palestinian children in order to build houses where people live already? That’s fascinating evil. Please elaborate.

          • reader

            Hmmm, the way I read your posts is that it’s ok to kill children, especially if the children are Jewish, and every child who is killed, is to be blamed on the Jews – the more, the merrier. But, what’s real evil is that it is the actual terrorist modu operandi – perfectly in line with the facts on the ground.

          • Drakken

            You still haven’t put your money where your muzzy loving mouth is and joined up with your jihadist friends, puzzy!

          • StanleyT

            Does your definition of “children” include 16 year olds carrying weapons or hurling rocks that kill drivers and their babies? those are the kind of children who get killed by the IDF on purpose. As for the rare incident when a child is killed accidentally, it’s because the adult terrorists shield behind them.

            Of course, this nuance would be too difficult for your tiny intellect to grasp, so we have to accept your inability to comprehend.

          • BagLady

            As for the rare incident when a child is killed accidentally, it’s because the adult terrorists shield behind them.”

            Is it?

            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/sep/26/israel-pay-family-compensation-palestinian-girl

          • reader

            Even in this notoriously Jew hating outlet Guardian, careful reading of what happened suggests the usual terrorist modus operandi, whereas “teenagers” sworm and stir trouble by physically attacking police. Do tell what part of the world employ police that is not justified in responding to being physically assaulted. Oh – i got it. It’s the Jewish police. Aren’t you and your Guardian crowd a bunch of slow-witted hypocrites with a big Jewish chip on your shoulder? Yes, you are.

          • Softly Bob

            If it’s in the Guardian it’s a load of Leftist crap.

          • Softly Bob

            But they don’t actually kill children (at least not deliberately). The Palestinians use their own children as human shields, so they are the real child-killers.
            So absorb that ‘fact’. Don’t worry we’ll get you living up to your name eventually!

        • ahad_ha_amoratsim

          I’m sure you do. Jew-haters often assume that Jews want to do to everyone else what the Jew-haters want to do to Jews.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    I can’t stress this enough, but it is impossible for Muslims to make peace with infidels, as the sole fundamental purpose of mainstream orthodox Islam is the subjugation of all infidels into Islamic totalitarianism through both violent and non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad and the imposition of Sharia (Islamic totalitarian law) to ultimately make Islam supreme throughout the world. Thus, there are only two possible options available for infidels, collectively destroy Islam utterly, which would be very bloody, or otherwise render the Islamic totalitarian world into debilitating abject poverty and then isolate it, so that it will be incapable of waging jihad against infidels.

    • mollysdad

      Doesn’t this invite the conclusion that the Muslims in the Land of Israel ought to be declared herem on account of idolatry and blasphemy?

      • StanleyT

        Say what? Who should make that declaration?

        (What is is with the haters today? They cannot make themselves clear because they know how idiotic they sound.)

        • Drakken

          Here let me be perfectly clear for you, the muslims want the Jews of Israel all dead, and the effeminate left want to hide behind some international consensus in order to let the muslims to accomplish this task. I say to Israel, killem all and let allah sortem out, then you will have peace. Anything less is a goddamn pipedream.

    • BagLady

      otherwise render the Islamic totalitarian world into debilitating abject
      poverty and then isolate it, so that it will be incapable of waging
      jihad against infidels.

      That certainly seems to be what the ever breathless Ms Glick suggests for Palestinians; cutting off their funds would certainly lay them low.

      The government should assist Israeli citizens in submitting war crimes
      complaints against Palestinian officials and the PA generally at
      international tribunals for their involvement in war crimes, including
      their incitement of genocide.[Glick]

      I’m all for that so long as the same goes for Israel.

      • ahad_ha_amoratsim

        When and if Israel actually committed war crimes or incited to genocide, I would agree with you. And when individual Israeli soldiers have committed war crimes, they have been charged, tried, convicted and punished BY ISRAEL.

        • BagLady

          OK, so start with Bush and Blair and then pull down the hangers-on. (Be careful idiot Stephen Harper)

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            BadLady is a prime example of idiotic regressive progressives.

      • StanleyT

        Ensure that the ICC is not dominated by Arab sympathizers (when it provided its advisory opinion on Israel’s security barrier, Al‑Khasawneh, one of the ICC judges, in a blatant conflict of interest, was an advisor to the King of Jordan) and Israel will be found not guilty on all charges.

        • Drakken

          The ICC is nothing more than a leftist communist organization that ties the hands of the military and stands in the way of things that must be done.

          • BagLady

            Things that must be done”.

            Go on Monsieur Le Pratte

        • BagLady

          No-one has listed the charges, though I know there is a very long list (I read it once).

          No point dwelling on this subject since it’s academic, my dear Watson. Certain countries are exempt from International Law and we all know that.

          • Drakken

            There is no such thing as so called international law, there are only sovereign rights of sovereign countries, so your point really is immaterial.

        • ObamaYoMoma

          Al Khasawneh doesn’t sympathize for Pakistanis, for Afghan’s, or for Persians? Yes he does! He’s a sympathizer all right, but he is an Islamic sympathizer. Israel doesn’t have an Arab problem. Of course, that is what the Left desperately wants you to believe. It has an Islamic problem, as the Islamic totalitarian world through their proxies the so-called Palestinians are waging a perpetual jihad against the Jewish infidels in Israel to render Islam supreme in Israel and to subjugate the Jewish infidels into Islamic totalitarianism.

          Nonetheless, the perpetual jihad being waged against the Jewish infidels in Israel isn’t significantly different from the jihads being waged perpetually against the Hindu infidels in India, the Buddhist infidels in Thailand, the Orthodox Christian infidels in Chechnya, the Christian and animist infidels in Sudan, and on and on ad nauseum. As the sole fundamental purpose of Islam is the subjugation of all religions and all infidels into Islamic totalitarianism through both violent and non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad and the eventual imposition of Sharia (Islamic totalitarian law) to ultimately make Islam supreme throughout the world.

          Hence, besides only the Jewish infidels in Israel, the entire infidel world has an Islamic problem. Thus, for there to ever be peace between infidels and Muslims the infidel world will have to act collectively together to solve that problem. Otherwise, the alternative is perpetual jihad.

      • Drakken

        Your stab at moral equivalency is duly noted, a little hint for you, there is none. One way or another, one entity has to remove the other to survive. Israel is a western nation, those arab muslims you love so much are not and never will be and will never ever take the west as allies, so with those facts in mind, what are you waiting for Israel? Let the devil have his due, for when the muslims dance to the fiddlers tune, one way or another you have to pay the fiddler.

        • BagLady

          Depends where you draw the great East/West divide. Clearly it’s not geographical — we always include ‘white’ countries in our realm. Although Russians have probably been recently ejected from the clan.

          “….Let the devil have his due, for when the muslims dance to the fiddlers tune, one way or another you have to pay the fiddler.”

          Read that sentence a few times and I can only interpret it as being Muslims dancing (like monkeys) to the fiddler (boss man) and having to pay for the privilege. I’m quite sure that was not your intentional meaning.

          • Drakken

            Yes it is obvious that it went completely over your head and need to have your hand held while I explain it really slowly for you to comprehend it. The fiddler, is the devil, and the muslims doing the devils bidding, will be welcomed by the devil with open arms and a smile after all is said and done. So, do you understand it now? Or do I need to break it down further for a silly English schooled leftist to understand?

      • ObamaYoMoma

        That certainly seems to be what the ever breathless Ms Glick suggests for Palestinians; cutting off their funds would certainly lay them low.

        Sure, it would hit the Palestinians, which are the proxies of the greater Islamic totalitarian world, in the pocket book, but it wouldn’t stop the Iranians from building nukes to destroy the Jewish infidels in Israel. It also would not have any impact whatsoever on all the many other jihads around the world also being waged simultaneously against various infidels such as the Hindu infidels in India, the Buddhist infidels in Thailand, the Orthodox Christian infidels in Chechnya, the Christian and animist infidels in Sudan, and on and on ad nauseum.

        There are only two options available to take care of our worldwide Islamic problem, and that is again for the collective infidel world to destroy Islam utterly, which would be extremely bloody, or otherwise render the entire Islamic totalitarian world into total abject poverty and then isolate it until such time as Islam as a force ceases to exist.

        As a matter of fact, there is only one way to achieve peace between infidels and Muslims and either one of the two options I laid out above will work. Otherwise, the alternative is perpetual war because the sole fundamental purpose of Islam is the subjugation of all religions and all infidels into Islamic totalitarianism through both violent and non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad (holy war) and the eventual imposition of Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law, to ultimately make Islam supreme throughout the world. Indeed, the infidel world must realize that besides the Jewish infidels in Israel, the entire infidel world is also being targeted for subjugation by the Islamic totalitarian world as well. We are all in this together whether we like or not!

        The government should assist I sraeli c itizens in submitting war crimes
        complaints against Palestinian officials and the PA generally at
        international tribunals for their involvement in war crimes, including
        their incitement of genocide.[Glick]

        Oh sure…that would work about as well as it always has worked in the past, i.e., the state of Israel will inevitably be vilified and demonized by the international community as always.

        I’m all for that so long as the same goes for Israel.

        Actually, to be honest you are obviously pretty oblivious.

    • itaintmojo

      Exactly. That is why there will never be peace till one enemy wipes out the other completely. Israel should declare war, and remove all Jihadists.

      • T800

        Israel does not have to “declare war” when a state of war already exists. All Israel need do is wait for the next rocket attack from Gaza,then drop a few MOABs on them. That would not put any Israeli soldiers at risk. Israel already has the C-130s needed for it’s delivery,all they need is the MOABs. Buy them or build your own,it’s not rocket science. MOAB is designed to take out bunkers and tunnels,where HAMAS stores their rockets and other munitions,and where their leadership hides during major Israeli incursions. I figure two MOABs and HAMAS would be surrendering unconditionally,if any were left.

        • itaintmojo

          Well then what are they waiting for? For them to get sophisticsted weapons? I have no idea what a MOAB is, but I hope it is lethal, and gets the job done. Go directly after jihadist Sharia men, and anyone who openly supprts them. Whacked as that may seem, Sharia butchers in Nigeria stole 200 girls, from a girls school as they slept. Took them away from their families, and God only knows what those Boko Harem Sharia scum are doing to them. Hamas and Hezbollah are no different. Unleash the MOAB. Please

          • Softly Bob

            A MOAB is an extremely powerful non-nuclear bomb.

        • deadlytiu1

          They are shooting misciles out of Gaza, you can chek the details. The Media is covering for them.

    • Joe The Gentile

      You are right, ObamaYoMama, It is indeed impossible for Muslims to make peace with Israel and the infidels in general. ( Unless it reforms greatly.) That is why the UK, France, the Netherlands and Sweden are Israels-in-the-making. They will realize that they have an internal Muslim population at war with them. They will try to deport many Islamic radicals. It will have parallels with 1948 Israel.

      At this point there is a good chance that the Muslim nations from which they come will refuse to take them back, preferring to use them as pawns for Jihad, as human stake-claims-in-the-ground for Jihad, and there will be a huge refugee and displaced-person problem.

      It will probably take this to happen before the Europeans realize that they are ‘in it together’ with Israel.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        ( Unless it reforms greatly.)

        That assumes Islam is a religion, but how many religions kill all those who apostatize from it or all those who commit blasphemy? I don’t know of any. Do you?

        Anyway, Islam can’t be reformed as the Koran is the direct verbatim text of almighty Allah as dictated to Muhammad by the archangel Gabriel. Thus, it is perfect and absolutely just, and any mere mortal man perceived as attempting to change just one single word of Allah would be executed immediately.

        Islam is a very totalitarian cult, as Islam makes very liberal use of the two twin curses: death for apostasy and death for blasphemy to control the masses.

        Of course, to Muslims it is their religion, but Muslims are as unqualified as the secular left when it comes to knowing and understanding what constitutes religion.

        Initially, Islam started out as being a religion as Muhammad stole liberally from the scriptures of the many religions that were present in Mecca at the time to initially establish his religion. Then subsequently, after the Hijra (migration), when Muhammad and his tiny band of followers were cast out of Mecca and forced to migrate to Medina, Muhammad became obsessed with obtaining revenge. It was through his obsession with seeking revenge that led Muhammad to reform Islam from what was once a religion similar to other religions of the time into what it is today, which is a very totalitarian cult that has as its sole fundamental purpose the subjugation of all religions and all infidels into Islamic totalitarianism through both violent and non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad (holy war) and the eventual imposition of Sharia (Islamic totalitarian law) to make Islam supreme throughout the world.

        Indeed, it was that transformation of Islam resulting from the Hijra that eventually led to the infamous Islamic conquest. Prior to that when Islam was still a religion during Muhammad’s Meccan period, Islam was a miserable failure.

        Moreover, according to the doctrine of abrogation, which is universally accepted throughout all of Islam, the latter issued verses of the Koran cancel, supersede, and replace the earlier issued verses of the Koran. Thus, all the earlier issued peaceful Meccan verses of the Koran that originated from the time before the Hijra when Islam was still a religion similar to other religions of the time, and the same verses of the Koran that Muslims love to show gullible useful idiot infidels to dupe them, have all been abrogated, i.e., cancelled, superseded, and replaced by the infamous sword verses of the Koran that originate from the time after the Hijra and that command all Muslims to wage perpetual jihad against all infidels until such time that all religion in the world belongs to Allah alone.

        As you can see, Islam is not that difficult to understand. However, people go to great lengths to hide, conceal, and deny the truth about Islam. Maybe they consider the truth too scary to contemplate? Who knows?

        Nevertheless, the infidel world’s Islamic problem is far more extensive than it being just a jihad waged against the Jewish infidels in Israel. Although myriads of people would love to delude themselves into believing just that and blame the Israelis at the same time. Thus, any solution to our dilemma will have to be a comprehensive and collective one involving the entire infidel world. Otherwise, Islam will eventually subjugate the entire infidel world into Islamic totalitarianism. Indeed, Europe is already on the fast track to being subjugated by Islam today, and we here in the USA aren’t that far behind.

        • Joe The Gentile

          Yes, it is close to impossible for Islam to reform. Muhammad deliberately made it this way. The Ahmadi sect tries to preach a more peaceful Islam, but it is only about 1-2% of Muslims and is persecuted severely. I don’t believe that it will reform, but I threw in ‘unless it reforms’ for completeness.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Yes, it is close to impossible for Islam to reform

            It’s not close. It is absolutely impossible. Not only that, but Muhammad already reformed Islam from what was once a religion into what it is today, which is a very totalitarian cult with the single sole fundamental purpose of subjugating all religions and all infidels into Islamic totalitarianism.

            The Ahmadi sect tries to preach a more peaceful Islam, but it is only about 1-2% of Muslims and is persecuted severely.

            The Ahmadi sect is considered to be infidels by other Muslims, which is why they are severely persecuted. In addition, just because they are severely persecuted as infidels by other Muslims, doesn’t mean that they are more peaceful and don’t want to make Islam supreme throughout the world, because like all other Muslims I can assure you that they do. If I had my way, all Muslims would be banned from living here in the USA, including the Ahamadis.

  • BagLady

    Abbas is not interested in peace.”

    Suggesting Netanyahu is?

    • ahad_ha_amoratsim

      Yes. He is. Anyone who denies it is a liar, or willfully ignorant. Then again, you have often made your opinions about Jews and about Israel painfully clear.

      • CaoMoo

        What would we be if not for the Bag Lady’s marvellous short insights (into madness mostly) to brighten our day?

        • ahad_ha_amoratsim

          On another thread, she actually wrote that she is grateful for her madness.

          • CaoMoo

            I suppose someone has to be

          • Drakken

            Just goes to show you that you just can’t fix stupid, not even with duct tape.

          • BagLady

            Irony in motion

          • Drakken

            How is it living on your knees prostrating yourself to the 3rd world in order not to offend them working out for you? Must be a twisted version of Stockholm Syndrome.

          • BagLady

            Do not quote me out of context. I suggest that I will be grateful for my ‘madness’ if and when you and many others here are proved ‘sane’.

            Of course, on other fora I would be considered the voice of sanity whilst you, and you, and you…….

          • Drakken

            Has it ever occurred to you that is we who are the sane ones ? And your the one with some serious issues?

          • ahad_ha_amoratsim

            Yes, fora like Stormfront.

        • BagLady

          Another. Those disagreeing with Netanyahu are mad. Please grow up.

      • BagLady

        Have I indeed? Please use quotes when insulting others.

        So. In your opinion, anyone disagreeing with Netanyahu’s tactics is anti Jewish. What an uneducated view, with respect.

    • Drakken

      Come on muzzy lover, go join them and sing your kumbaya to them and lets see where that gets you. Frankly speaking, your talking out of your azz because your mouth knows better. Obviously you love to live on your knees to the 3rd world savages because you have a nasty self hating, self loathing streak a mile long.

      • BagLady

        You are addressing my avatar but thinking of someone else. Please spare me your ‘boyish charms’.

        • Drakken

          Silly girl, I do believe you suffered some serious trauma being the only native white girl in a school surrounded by 3rd worlders, it has seriously damaged your psyche.

  • http://www.clarespark.com/ Clare Spark

    The Brits and their European social democratic allies have never been fans of Israel. It is just not hip. See http://clarespark.com/2014/04/21/remains-of-the-day-revisited/. “Remains of the Day, revisited.” When did liberals ever lose their taste for the UK aristocracy? Catherine Ashton is but one of many voices here and in Europe who swear they are not anti-Semitic, only anti-Zionist.

  • PAthena

    Arab haters of Israel are now called “Palestinians” as a consequence of Soviet propaganda. The names “Palestine” and “Palestinian” were synonymous with “land of the Jews” and “Jew” from the time that the Roman Emperor Hadrian, in 135 A.D., after having defeated the last Jewish rebellion under Bar Kochba, changed the name of Judea to “Palestina” in order to eradicate all memory of Judea; he outlawed Judaism and renamed Jerusalem “Aelia Capitolina,” “Aelius” being his gens name. After World War I, Great Britain was awarded the “Palestine Mandate,” to be “the homeland of the Jews.”
    In Cairo in 1964, Gamal Nasser of Egypt and the Soviet Union founded the “Palestine Liberation Organization” (PLO), the name showing its Soviet origin. It came to fame when it massacred the Israeli athletes at the Olympic Games in Munich in 1972, since which time the name “Palestinian” has become used to the Arabs who would destroy Israel, with phoney history and propaganda.

    • ahad_ha_amoratsim

      Exactly. During the mandate, ‘Palestinian’ meant a Jew who lived in the region. The Arabs referred to themselves as Arab, or as South Syrians, or simply as Muslim or Christian. Before Israel declared independence, Israel’s symphonic orchestra and the newspaper Jerusalem Post were known as the Palestine Philharmonic and the Palestine Post.

      • BagLady

        Arabs referred to themselves as Arabs, Christians referred to themselves as Christians and Jews as Jews. There is much photographic/verbal proof that these groups all dwelt in Harmony in and around Jerusalem prior to western interference.

        • Gee

          BS – the Muslims have robbed, raped, enslaved, converted at sword point and murdered all non-Muslims for the past 1,400 years. There has NEVER been any harmony with them, they simple rest between their bouts of oppression

        • Drakken

          That is complete utter revisionist garbage, as they say, garbage in, garbage out . Obviously you failed history. Islam in all its evil variations, has never ever gotten along with any other group and even amongst themselves.

        • ObamaYoMoma

          There is much photographic/verbal proof that these groups all dwelt in
          Harmony in and around Jerusalem prior to western interference.

          Then, by all means, please document that PC multicultural paradise you claim existed prior to Western interference! Pardon me if I won’t hold my breath waiting.

        • ahad_ha_amoratsim

          If by Harmony, you mean the right of Muslims to beat or murder Jews with impunity.

  • Texas Patriot

    Israel is a sovereign nation which is under constant attack by her neighbors who claim she has no right to exist. Under these circumstances, the fact that Israel continues to engage in a sham “peace process” is a tacit admission that her enemies are correct.

    • BagLady

      Any blank-headed ‘guest’ should be persona non grata on this site by virtue of his/her lack of imagination. No chance of anything thoughtful coming from that direction.,

  • itaintmojo

    Hamas is an enemy. Obama supports The Muslim Brotherhood, of which Hamas is an arm of. Let’s leave congress out of it while Obama is in power.

    Most countries when attacked by a sworn enemy declare war on that enemy. Israel is well within its rights to do this the next time a rocket gets lobbed over to Sredot. Some day soon Hamas will get their hands on more sophisticated weapons. I say let’s not wait. Remove them before they remove us. Israel is already hated by nearly everyone, so there is nothing to lose. Sharia law advocates such as Hamas show no sign of reform regarding their complete intolerance of Israel existing. Take them out, and take out anyone else who poses the same threat. There will be no peace till this is done. As much as I abhor war, I’m not willing to wait to die, or hope for Sharia to become tolerant to avoid it.

    • BagLady

      As much as I abhor war, I’m not willing to wait to die, or hope for Sharia to become tolerant to avoid it.

      You could have fooled me!

      • itaintmojo

        May I ask how?

      • Drakken

        Rather interesting that you would live on your knees to the 3rd world in order to avoid offending them though.

  • Porkys2istan

    I think 100% of nonsense comes from United Nations. I never really thought much about the UN until a (logical) Conservative blogger made the point quite clearly:

    1. The UN is composed of about 180 ‘nations’ and EVERY nation gets a vote in the general body.
    2. Almost half the nations are NOT democracies, but rather kingdoms, fascists, communists, or theocracies. Even the ‘so called’ democracies are riddled with corruption, intimidation, and vote rigging.
    3. EVERY nation gets ONE vote ,weather it has 1.2 BILLIONS peoples or a few thousands peoples.
    4. The LARGEST voting block is the OIC (Organization of Islamic Countries) which is almost a THIRD of ALL countries in the UN.

    As a liberal, I naturally assumed that the UN was like a ‘world congress’, for the ‘will of the people’ to be heard, but NOTHING could be farther from the truth. The UN is mostly undemocratic, unelected, and wildly unequal in voting representation.

    Is it any wonder that UN craps on Israel every chance it gets, and then give a free pass to genocidal jihadists like Hamas, Hezbollah, and Fatah?

    • BagLady

      Nothing but an expensive facade to keep the fools in NeverNeverLand.

  • herb benty

    Israel is not the obstacle to Muslims behaving themselves.Many years ago when Islam controlled the Holy Land they headed straight for Europe. They are doing the same thing now. You can’t blame Israel for Islam.

    • BagLady

      Many years ago when Islam controlled the Holy Land they headed straight for Europe”

      Did it coincide with the Spanish aristocacy sailing to Cueta and begging the Muslims to invade Hispania and save the people from the savagery of the Christians?

      • Drakken

        Your sympathy and empathy for the 3rd world is rather touching, in a shortbus window licking way.

        • BagLady

          There is no emotion attached to my question. Just thinking of Julian, Count of Cueta.

      • herb benty

        Ha ha, trolling again I see BL. You really are pathetic.

        • BagLady

          You need a dictionary.

      • SupremeGalooty

        I think your bag is leaking….

  • Atheist Aardvark

    Nuke Mecca

    • ObamaYoMoma

      That would just piss them off.

      • Drakken

        Let it, then we can finally do what needs to be done and get it over with, instead of delaying the inevitable.

      • CaoMoo

        they’re always pissed off anyway

  • BagLady

    It did get a lot of Palestinian terrorists out of Israeli jails though.
    In return, Israel got… nothing. It is a familiar pattern.”

    Not true. It bought ‘time’, the one thing Netanyahu needs to fulfill his ‘mission’ of land ‘appropriation’.

    • Gee

      Considering that the total land ‘appropriation’ (which happens to be our land) has been exactly zero that is another stupid remark by a stupid person

    • Adolphus

      “Not true.” You mean those “Palestinian” terrorists didn’t get released? You completely ignored countering the factual statement you’re contesting with any facts supporting your denial in order to make a political remark based on no facts or reality.

  • guest

    Who cares about geneva?

    Geneva to me means a land where a bunch
    of yodeling, cocoa drinking idiots live.

    Theres no such thing as genocide in a war.
    There’s really no such thing as genocide,
    go ahead and define it if you can.

    In war, there is only victory.

    Hasn’t Abbas and the whole bunch of them
    caused enough trouble?

  • luccondo
  • T800

    I have a difficult time believing that Israel is going to make the “Palestinians” suffer any real consequences for their actions. they’ve been doing the runaround with them for many decades. Israel keeps dealing with Gaza in HALF measures. They should buy or build MOABs and drop one every time there’s a rocket or mortar attack from Gaza. MOAB is designed to destroy bunkers and tunnels like HAMAS uses to store their missiles and munitions. The shock and awe from the massive blast would also chill HAMAS and the Gazan people.HAMAS would do everything to keep its sects from launching attacks. I believe it would only take one or two MOABs to stop the attacks from Gaza permanently.Plus,use of MOAB doesn’t risk any Israeli soldiers or costly armored vehicles.
    It’s time Israel did the job right.

    BOTH sides keep on doing the same thing,over and over,expecting different results each time.
    The muzzies make attacks,Israel retaliates HALFway,doesn’t finish the job,and the muzzies lick their wounds,rest and rearm until the next time. A stupid cycle.

    When peace treaties were signed with Egypt and Jordan,Israel offered to return the West Bank and Gaza,but both Arab nations REFUSED. They wanted them to be a thorn in Israel’s side,to have their own people live in misery,and for those lands to be USED as bases to launch attacks upon Israel.
    Even so,Israel restrained itself(with a lot of “persuasion from the US and West),never truly defeating those territories. that has cost Israel dearly. That has to change. Israel must eliminate Gaza as a missile base and set an example of how war will be conducted from now on.

  • SupremeGalooty

    Israel is run by Jews who are beneficent by nature. They will respect human life where others will not. The “Palestinians” are corrupt, vicious, menial, dishonest, and they are not Palestinians except through widespread erroneous misapplication of the term.

    There will be no peace in the Middle East until one side or the other is abjectly defeated to the point of near annihilation. I suspect that will actually take place on the battlefield called Armageddon. In the meantime we are stuck with a faux religion – Islam – that worships death, defiles women, and has become a de facto locus for Evil in this world.

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