Has the Gaza War Doomed the Two-State Solution?

Charles Bybelezer is a correspondent for i24News, a recently-launched international television network that broadcasts out of Tel Aviv.


F121018WN04-e1363721664401At the height of Operation Protective Edge, prominent American lawyer and pro-Israel advocate Alan Dershowitz penned a largely overlooked article entitled, “Has Hamas ended the prospects for a two-state solution?” (Gatestone Institute, July 22.)

His ostensible motive was Hamas’ targeting of Ben Gurion airport with a rocket that fell some 2 kilometers away, an act which he designated as a war crime.

In response, the Federal Aviation Administration made the questionable call of banning all US air traffic into and out of Israel for some 36 hrs. Many European airlines followed suit, causing a mass cancellation of flights, thereby providing Hamas with what Israel’s transportation minister described as a “victory for terror.”

A life-long proponent of the peace process, Dershowitz has in the past promoted a “two-state solution that does not compromise Israel’s security.” In the article in question, he elaborates in a seemingly unprecedented manner on what measures this should entail, which are replete with potentially landmark political implications.

The targeting by Hamas of Israel’s economic lifeline, Dershowitz argues, will justifiably make Israel “more reluctant than ever to give up military control over the West Bank, which is even closer to Ben Gurion Airport than is Gaza.”

“When Israel removed both its civilian settlements and its military presence in Gaza,” he explains, “Hamas took control [and] fired thousands of rockets at Israeli civilian targets.… Israel could not accept the risk of a Hamas takeover of the West Bank.”

That this would be the most likely outcome of an IDF withdrawal from the territories should be clear. One needs only to recall the events of 2007, some two years after Israel’s military unilaterally vacated the Strip, when vastly outnumbered Hamas fighters laid waste to a US-trained Palestinian security force, in a coup that ousted Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party from the coastal enclave and brought the Islamist terror group to power.

Jerusalem has repeatedly expressed fear of a growing Hamas foothold in the West Bank, most recently in the wake of the formation of the Palestinian unity government.

It turns out these concerns were well-founded.

Following June’s kidnapping and murder of three Israeli civilians, the IDF’s recovery operation exposed a significant Hamas presence in the West Bank. Hundreds of Hamas members and supporters were arrested during Operation Brother’s Keeper, which also saw the military destroy the makings of a formidable terror infrastructure, including an intricate maze of underground tunnels.

After Hamas essentially shut down Ben Gurion, its  “leader-in-exile” Khaled Mashaal crowed, “the resistance is today in the Gaza Strip and tomorrow it is capable of surrounding you in the West Bank.”

Likewise Amir Mousavi, a former adviser to the Iranian defense minister, recently vowed to provide missiles to Palestinian factions in the West Bank: “A new front must be opened from the West Bank, after it has been armed, especially with missiles, because we know very well that the distance between the West Bank and Tel Aviv, Haifa and other areas is much shorter than the distance from Gaza.”

Because of this very real risk, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has made his position eminently clear, never more so than in an uncharacteristically candid press conference held during the latest round of fighting with Hamas: “In Judea and Samaria there is no power that can guarantee Israel’s security other than the IDF…. Any [future peace] arrangement will include Palestinian political and economic control alongside Israeli security control.… We don’t want to rule over the Palestinians, but the necessary security measures [means] that some of their sovereignty will need to be limited.”

As one prominent Israeli commentator put it, “That sentence, quite simply, spells the end to the notion of Netanyahu consenting to the establishment of a Palestinian state.… He wasn’t saying that he doesn’t support a two-state solution. He was saying that it’s impossible.”

Dershowitz seemingly concedes the same thing by likewise contending that, “Israel will have to retain military control over its security borders, which extend to the Jordan River. It will also have to maintain a sufficient military presence to assure that what happened in Gaza does not happen in the West Bank.”

That he subsequently suggests that these military realities need not exist forever is beside the point; the reason being, they are non-starters for the Palestinian Authority.

No Palestinian leader would ever agree to a deal allowing a sustained Israeli military presence not only in the Jordan Valley, but also throughout the West Bank.

Dershowitz himself admits that, “the Palestinian Authority, however, is unlikely to accept such a condition, though it should.”

His following assertion thus seemingly requires clarification: “It may still be possible to create a two-state solution whereby Israel withdraws its civilian settlers from most of the West Bank and agrees to land swaps for areas that now contain large settlement blocks.”

Overall, Dershowitz’s article is an apparent major shift from positions he expounded just over two years ago in a widely-cited Wall Street Journal piece, which opened with the sentence, “now that Israel has a broad and secure national unity government, the time is ripe for that government to make a bold peace offer to the Palestinian Authority.”

In it, he pressed mainly for a construction freeze in West Bank settlements in order to jump-start peace talks, noting only passingly and towards the end of his piece that any future peace deal will require “assurances about Israel’s security in the Jordan Valley and in areas that could pose the threat of rocket attacks like those that have come from the Gaza Strip in recent years.”

“Assurances” are a far cry from a long-term Israeli military presence throughout the territories.

The two ensuing conflicts with Hamas have apparently hardened Dershowitz’s positions, leading him to conclude that, “the Israeli public would never accept a deal that did not include a continued Israeli military presence in the West Bank. They have learned the tragic lesson of Gaza and they will not allow it to be repeated.… This will simply make it far more difficult for an agreement to be reached.”

It would, in practice, seemingly make the two-state solution altogether untenable.

The question is whether, in light of new realities, one of the most outspoken supporters of the Israeli-Palestinian peace process is on the road to drawing the same conclusion.

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  • Bob uk

    I do not agree with a “two state” solution at all. A two state solution in Egypt would make more sense. One for the “REAL” Egyptians; The Coptic Christians who are the descendents of the original Egyptians, and one for the Muslim occupiers.

    Palestinians already have 36,000 sq miles in Jordan (previously TransJordan, previously East Palestine, previously a part of the Ottoman Empire. Too bad it became the Hashemite occupied Kingdom of Jordan. I guess the various Muslim factions need to sort that one out amongst themselves. Nothing to do with Israel.

    Then recently the Palestinians acquired another 2000 sq miles of land Gaza, that has belonged to Egypt and Israel at various times in History. It certainly never belonged to anyone called Palestinians.

    Yet now they want to build a 3rd Palestinian state in Israel (9900 sq miles)

    The 2 Palestinian states that already exist amount to 2000 sq miles + 36000 sq miles = 38,000 sq miles

  • Douglas Mayfield

    Thank you for the article.

    With respect to those who advocate it, there is no such thing as a ‘two state solution’. It’s an empty meaningless lie because Islam driven groups such as the PA and Hamas will never rest until Israel is destroyed.

    Just as you don’t mix food and poison, eat the resulting dish, and hope not to get sick or die, you don’t establish a slave state next to a free country and hope that all will go well.

    The two state solution is recipe for unending slaughter until either Israel is destroyed or the Israelis eradicate the PA and Hamas and take full control of the land around them, while ignoring the empty meaningless howling and screeching from the Left and other ‘wanna be’ tyrants around the world.

    • tickletik

      Yes, but we must understand what is really being “solved” here. What is being solved is the problem of the power hungry narcissists who manage to get into office. Their biggest problem has been ruling us while being invited to cocktail parties in dublin. Now to rule us and defend us will upset the literattii and the hoi poloi in the upper classes, because it is considered extremely gauche for a Jew to fight back.

      On the other hand, they can’t very well run the country if they allow local arabs to murder Jews at leisure.

      Therefore they came up with a brilliant “solution”. Just declare that each ethnic group lives in it’s own state! Once they did that, they were reinvited to all the right parties, and everyone was nice to them again. For a while.

      But the Arabs were not happy with this solution. They were not happy because they did not give a flying @#$# about getting invited to cocktail parties by gay Europeans. This is because the Arab already has goats for that.

      No, what they want is to kill and drive out every last Jew in Judaea. Not because of some random fairy tale of Mohamed riding his magical flying hashish to Jerusalem, but because the idea of these, the most hated of the dhimmi, kicking them in the face is the biggest insult to their entire people imaginable. And insults and face are everything to a gang religion.

      Now that is the situation. The solution? Throw out every politician that cannot produce a practical roadmap to ending the “peace process”. What is needed is not just talk, but an actual timetable. Let us see a real plan, with real goals, in real stages that involve us breaking free of this disgusting externally imposed plot to cause us to commit national suicide.

      I want more than Feiglins refreshing, yet empty statement. I want to see a real plan that I can hold a leader accountable to meeting.

  • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

    Yes, the Gaza experiment makes it clear … autonomy doesn’t work. Clearly Israel has to maintain military control. But it goes beyond that. Gaza needs to be de-Nazified with Israel taking full control of the schools and media. Allowing Islamic control of the schools produced a generation of suicide bombers that seek nothing more in life than the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of the Jews. The longer this goes on, the more it will take to de-Nazify.

    • Michael Garfinkel

      You would have to “de-nazify” all of the Middle East, Africa, and a sizable percentage of Europe.

      Attempts to accomplish this would be like pissing in the ocean – and Israel knows it.

      • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

        Yes, but Gaza’s proximity …

        • Michael Garfinkel

          There’s a significant sentiment (for now) in the international community, (whatever that is) that Gaza will have to be demilitarized.

          This can only be accomplished through a very difficult Israeli re-occupation, which the Israelis want very much to avoid.

          “De-nazifying” would require generations, under better circumstances than will ever actually obtain.

          • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

            I agree that there isn’t international support for denazification and that’s a prerequisite. I dissent from the international consensus.

            Re-occupation will be problematic and best done if Israel installs puppet regimes through out Gaza that is in charge of distributing food and aid.

            A recent poll conducted in Gaza, despite the usual animosity towards Israel, also shows that 70% of Gazans want the wall removed between Gaza and Israel so that they can get a decent job in Israel.

            On some level Gazans can be reached in the long-term; but one still has to take control of the media. Hamas imposes censorship as does every Arab government. Israel’s occupation should have some component aimed at the control of information.

          • Michael Garfinkel

            Yes, it’s quite clear that the only way to rescue the people of Gaza is to destroy Hamas and impose a civil administration.

            I’m sure these issues are being discussed in Egypt, where the military has attempted with some success to degrade the Brotherhood.

            The Egyptians may play a role.

            In any case, an Israeli occupation is very far from a fait accompli.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            Who conducted the poll in Gaza and why?

          • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P
          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            Gee a “highly respected ‘Palestinian pollster’” conducted it. Gee there’s no link to how the poll was conducted either. Considering the islamic proclivity for lying, I don’t believe it.

          • Drakken

            It is a very simple equation, no more muslims = no more problems. These bloody muslims make the natsi’s look like rank amateurs.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            I’d figure an Israeli re-occupation will result in a steady flow of body bags to Israel. But security and freedom don’t come free of cost — especially in the islamic-fascist Mid-East and N. Africa.

          • Drakken

            Your going to have to give Gaza a taste of Carthage to get peace and make it a muslim free zone, anything else is wishful thinking.

    • Drakken

      Why don’t you just say what you really mean, your going to have to de-Islamize the whole bloody region of Gaza and the west bank and no matter what, the muslims want those Jews dead and gone, peace my azz, no more muslims, no more problems.

  • notme123

    there never could be a 2 state solution. How can you place your enemy in a strategic position like Gaza and expect them not to use that position exactly the way it is being used, firing rockets and building tunnels. Israel gave into the world opinion that this could work, but the world is wrong. these muslims should just leave and go live in a muslim country, there are plenty of them, Israel is surrounded. but they will not because they want Israel and the Jews destroyed.

  • Texas Patriot

    The so-called “two-state solution” in the Middle East is a fait accompli. The two states are the Jewish State and the Islamic State. All the rest are on the path to oblivion as relics of Western Imperial fantasy. The only real question is whether the Jewish State will survive.

    • http://www.israelolivetree.org Olive Tree

      You might want to read Carolyn Glick’s new book, The Israeli Solution. This is perhaps the most important book of our time. It intelligently debunks as unworkable, the failed two state solution and examins the case for an Israeli one state. Read it . It will open your eyes and confirm what your statement so aptly implied. The Two State Solution will be the death of Israel.

      • Texas Patriot

        I think most informed people now recognize that the proposed “two-state solution” between Israel and the so-called Palestinians is moot, for a variety of reasons. While I agree with Caroline Glick’s general premise of a One State Solution for Palestine is the most logical outcome, I do not think it will be politically or militarily feasible for Israel to continue with the multicultural formula that Ms. Glick seems to endorse. Whether Israel has a chance of surviving as a Jewish State directly in competition with the emerging regional Islamic State remains to be seen. But I do not think Israel has any chance of surviving as a multicultural state.

        • http://www.israelolivetree.org Olive Tree

          But God…..

        • Michael Garfinkel

          Yes, the Caliphate v.s. Israel.

          In the meantime, Iran remains the key.

          Their extensive preparations in Gaza (now degraded), in Lebanon and Syria are strategic preparations for the encirclement and destruction of the Jewish state.

          This will coincide with the elimination of American forces from the region.

          So, while the useful idiots in the Western media and the American administration focus on the suffering human shields in Gaza, the Iranians calmly and methodically fashion the noose for the primary Western outpost in the region – Israel.

          Anyone who thinks Iran is building nuclear weapons and missile delivery systems for display purposes in parades is tragically deluded.

          The entire situation will reach a point of no-return unless the strategic theat posed by Iran is eliminated decisively – and soon.

          • Texas Patriot

            Khalifa Ibrahim has indicated that he intends to deal with the problem of apostasy in Islam before turning his attention to the rest of the world. Since Sunni outnumber Shia roughly nine to one, that would suggest that we will witness the elimination of Hezbollah and the Iranian regime before anything else. Otherwise, you are absolutely correct that allowing Iran to acquire nuclear weapons would be a disaster.

          • Michael Garfinkel

            The Iranians are the key.

            They have a modern state, organized around strategic military objectives.

            Make no mistake about it.

          • Texas Patriot

            My take is that the Iranian regime will be destroyed by the combined forces of the Islamic State under the leadership of Khalifa Ibrahim. It would appear that Iran and its client Hezbollah are already fully engaged in Iraq on the side of the Maliki government, and further that they are being soundly defeated at every turn by the forces of the Islamic State.

          • Michael Garfinkel

            This so-called “Islamic State” has the equivalent of one infantry division.

            I think you’ve entirely underestimated Iran, but we’ll have to agree to disagree on that point.

            I’m sure we can agree on this: I never imagined (although there were many indications during the Clinton era), the United States behaving in so feckless and disoriented a fashion on the world stage.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            That’s it? One infantry division? I’m surprised they’ve got as far as they have on just that. They don’t have any armor, AAA or aircraft assets?

          • Michael Garfinkel

            It is estimated that at present there are about ten thousand men in Syria and another ten thousand in Iraq.

            Of course, there is captured equipment in both theatres.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            I’d think that’s roughly two divisions, but still, they’ve been going up against the Syrian and Iraqi armies and winning?

          • Michael Garfinkel

            They’re not winning in Syria, and in Iraq, they’re successes have been mostly in the Sunni north with the help of Baathist officers.

            Few Sunnis want to die for the Maliki government.

            They’re highly motivated and fanatical, but motivated forces, like the Kurdish militias, have stopped them.

            In the U.S. army, a division is generally 10-18 thousand soldiers.

          • Texas Patriot

            What the Islamic State has, which has been completely underestimated by most if not all Western analysts I have seen is the deep love of Islam and the deep hunger for a return of an authentic Islamic Caliphate which burn deep in the heart of every Sunni Muslim worldwide, and in my opinion what even the possibility of the return of such a Caliphate may mean in terms of the potential force available to the Islamic State worldwide cannot be underestimated, much less accurately measured in terms of conventional Western military terminology. Otherwise, I couldn’t agree more that no American president in the modern era has had even the tiniest clue regarding the gravity or the magnitude of the threat to Western Civilization represented by the combined worldwide forces of Islamic jihad.

          • Drakken

            The point of no return was reached a year ago, where have you been?

          • Michael Garfinkel

            I think there is still an open window of opportunity.

            You’re right, of course.

            Ideally, the issue should have been resolved years ten years ago.

        • IslamDownpressesHumanity

          “multicultural state” meaning a combined Islamic-Jewish state?

          • Texas Patriot

            As Khalifa Ibrahim has so clearly demonstrated in the aftermath of every conquest, there is no room in the Islamic State for competing ideas of right and wrong. If the government of Israel chooses to allow the presence on its soil of those who are firmly and irrevocably committed to the destruction of Israel, how can the people of Israel complain when they face enemies within its borders as well as without.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            No argument from me. I used to disagree w/Meir Kahane, but not anymore.

        • Drakken

          Glick is wrong in her thesis, you cannot absorb muslims by mass numbers and there be no dire repercussions. No more muslims = no more problems.

          • Michael Garfinkel

            I enjoy your comments, but your evocation of mass murder can not be regarded as a serious strategic recommendation.

          • Drakken

            Mike, it is a simple military matter to resolve, peace is completely impossible for islam senses weakness and is attacking on a number of fronts, some call it mass murder or genocide, I call it what it is warfare. The muslims one way or another are going to push us to invoke the total war concept in its entirety. The intelligentsia thought that they could make war a nicer fuzzy thing and casualties can be mitigated, and we have lost every war since WW2 because of it. The brutal reality of it all is that you cannot make war nice or surgical for that matter, war as it has always been is dirty, nasty, brutal, gory, bloody business and business is going to be really good here shortly.

          • Michael Garfinkel

            Well, we (the West) continue to lead with our chin, and we’re going to suffer for it in no uncertain terms.
            Having said that, and concurring with general Ulysses S. Grant about the nature of war, I draw the line at genocide and war crimes generally.
            Grant, Pershing, Patton, Bradley, Zukhov, Eisenhower – they understood warfare and knew how to fight it, and win.
            These men found genocide abhorrent, as should we.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            I liked your idea of de-nazification, or rather de-islamification. Because the problem is islam.
            But after 65 years of unending islamic terrorism in Israel
            and India, I no longer believe in the “moderate” muslim.

          • Michael Garfinkel

            Ms. Glick has responded to this point.

            She avers that Israel already has, for all practical purposes, “absorbed” these Palestinians – but under the present disadvantage that they are administered by a hostile authority.

      • Tzipporah

        In her book Carolyn did not foresee including Gaza in that one State. Most Israelis saw even before the recent war that the PA were not interested in Peace. They were pushed by the West, especially John Kerry’s latest fantasy, to accept the idea of 2-states living side by side in peace. Israel was pressured into releasing prisoners with Israeli blood on their hands to get Abbas to the table. Abbas did not want it to work. He choose to unite with Hamas instead. There will not be Peace until Islam changes from a violent religion with a death cult ideology. Even Egypt only has a limited Peace with Israel. The border with Egypt is tense today. A South Korean church group were bombed in February.
        http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/16/egypt-tourist-bus-bombing/5530451/

        • IslamDownpressesHumanity

          “…until islam changes from a violent religion with a cult ideology.” An impossibility as that is its very nature.

        • Michael Garfinkel

          The prisoner release was a humiliation for the Israelis, and damaged Netanyahu.
          Now the watchword is “never again.”

    • Michael Garfinkel

      Well said.

      Of course, this begs the question: will the West itself survive the emerging Islamic crisis?

      Just the other day, MK told European representatives in Israel: “If you do not stand by our side, the day that Islamic terror reaches your homes, your beds and your kindergartens will come soon.”

      http://unitedwithisrael.org/israeli-lawmakers-demand-protection-of-jews-in-europe/

      • Texas Patriot

        That day arrived several years ago.

        • Michael Garfinkel

          I too am pessimistic.

          The trends are grim, and it’s getting to be late in the game.

          • Texas Patriot

            MG: The trends are grim, and it’s getting to be late in the game.

            There is no question about that.

      • Drakken

        Europe will soon be going game on full Balkanization and will have its hands full of the muslims in their midst, hopefully that will green light Israel to finally eliminate the Islamic threat in Gaza and west bank once and for all time.

    • carpe diem 36

      where is that Islamic State you are talking about? Gaza? Iraq? Syria?

      • Texas Patriot

        Good question.

        • carpe diem 36

          yes, the “people from around the world” should know what a caliphate is and what it intends to do to all of us non Moslems.

    • Drakken

      There will never ever be a two state solution, period, the muslims one way or another are going to have to go, end of story, anything else is a pipedream and wishful thinking.

  • http://www.israelolivetree.org Olive Tree

    Alan Dershowitz is one stiff neck dude when it comes to his particular take on Judea and Samaria and what he deems a ‘peace’ which would come of two states. He conveniently ignores the nature of the peace partner, in this case Hamas who would readily take over upon the death of Abbas which likely would happen one day after Abbas agreed to a peace agreement with Israel. Dershowitz is myopic. For someone who makes a big show of supporting Israel, he takes the side of Israel’s worst nightmare. I am not sure how he looks at himself in the mirror.

    • Michael Garfinkel

      Dershowitz is just hopeful he doesn’t have an OJ jury on his hands – which of course he does.

  • physicsnut

    sure – HAMAS wants a 2 state solution. That is why they build tunnels and spend lots of money on rockets. That money could have provided seed money for thousands of business startups to get some kind of economy going … but nope.
    What they say is bad enough, but what they do is what really matters.

    • carpe diem 36

      Hamas are not builders – except of course for tunnels – they are living to destroy. The people of Gaza are their prisoners, and when the Moslems in the world is talking occupation they are blind to what Hamas is doing to its citizens.

  • MburuChege

    Yeah..two-state solution and the farce that is the ”peace process” are dead…..time has now come for a oipne-state solution with full civil and democratic rights for all residents of palestine, both jews and non-jews….like it happened in Apartheid South Africa

    • carpe diem 36

      you do not invite murderers to your home, right? why should Israel invite those murderers in Gaza???

    • IslamDownpressesHumanity

      But which “apartheid South Africa” are you referring to? The current one? or the other one?
      It’s always hilarious how muslims never bother to mention that all their islamic states are, minimally, religious apartheids and most of them are gender apartheids.

    • Webb

      Right Marlburu mon, female genital mutilation for both Jews and non-Jews. Everyone will go along with that. What’s not to like?

    • dartson

      Somehow there is no single state in the world where non-Muslim minority enjoys the full civil and democratic rights with the Muslim majority without being intimidated, discriminated, harassed, kidnapped, raped and simply slaughtered. I wonder why.

    • Drakken

      Yeah and the whites of South Africa are being slaughtered by the blacks as we speak, yeah, what a fuc*ing great idea. I hope Israel wipes out every goddamn muslim in Gaza and west bank and calls it a day, then you will have peace.

  • carpe diem 36

    ‘Hamas took control [and] fired thousands of rockets at Israeli civilian targets.’ Israel had a chance to end this small battle but it chose not to react forcefully to those rockets, and it made it possible for Hamas to launch a much bigger war as a result. What Israel should have done, had they listened to me, was for every rocket they sent Israel should have sent five. Hamas and everybody else would have screamed, as they do now, but it would have put an end to a small skirmish and prevent a much bigger war. Too bad they lost this opportunity.

    • IslamDownpressesHumanity

      Your idea is very disproportional.

      • carpe diem 36

        it was meant to be.

    • Drakken

      I would have gone further, think a modern day Carthage, for every rocket fired there would be rolling arty barrages and airstrikes until the cows came home, let the savages howl and scream, it makes beautiful music.

  • vlparker

    There is no two state solution because the Palestinians don’t want a two state solution. They want all the jews dead and they will accept nothing less.

    • mollysdad

      In that case, expulsion of the Muslims is the only way to make the Land of Israel safe for Jews and Christians.

    • IslamDownpressesHumanity

      Why doesn’t Dershowitz recognize this fact? Can’t he read the charter of Hamas for himself? As if the charter of Hamas wasn’t evidence enough all by itself MEMRI has countless hours of video of mohammedan paleswine ranting and raving about destroying Israel and killing Jews — incl. religious and political leaders (if there’s any difference between the two).

      • carpe diem 36

        i do not know why people pay attention to what Dershowitz says? he is so far on the left that he may fall over.

    • carpe diem 36

      “There is no two state solution”. It is quite simple: they do not want to have a state, in no area.Gaza was clear of Israelis since 2005, it is now 2014; if they wanted a state they had to create one, have institution of gov’t and elect representatives, just like a state needs to have. They “elected” – i am not sure this is the fact, but lets assume they did – they elected Hamas, no gov’t was created they only had a terror group running things and oppressing the people. This is not a gov’t system that should be acceptable in the civilized world or in the UN. If they want two states there is one already and they need to put the second one somewhere. Let them do that.

  • Walter Sieruk

    It’s extreme folly to even try to divide the State of Israel into two nations. The Bible alone exposes this to be wrong. First, in Daniel 11:39 teaches the the coming evil one who will be the Anti-Christ will come and he “shall divide the land” This is an action taken by one who the Bible calls the man of sin.
    Second ,Jesus taught “If a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.” [K.J.V.]

    • Texas Patriot

      The multicultural model has failed wherever it has been tried, and there is no question that it will fail spectacularly in Israel as well.

      • IslamDownpressesHumanity

        Even islamic monocultural states are failures though — at least when judged outside of an islamic moral framework.

        • Texas Patriot

          Americans would be well to make sure that our own house is not divided against itself. As Teddy Roosevelt said, there is no such thing as a hyphenated American. Either you are committed to the American values of individual freedom, human rights, and Constitutional Democracy, or you’re not.

        • carpe diem 36

          there are wars going on in the world today, but none involves anything but Moslems. They prove that they cannot live in peace with anyone including themselves.

      • carpe diem 36

        i hope it is never tried. god forbid.

  • Armed_Infidel

    Anti semites in Europe and an increasingly third world US will make things very hard for Israel. Nancy Pelosi is a fairly mainstream democrat, and she views Hamas as a largely humanitarian organization. In an increasingly islamicized and brown skinned world, Pelosi’s view will only grow.

  • Flowerknife_us

    Millions of Christians are being disabused by the Muslims in Middle East. With hardly a peep of concern, if any, by the collective Media. A serious HUMAN RIGHTS violation’ that effects millions more people over a far greater geographic area. The Media is all lathered up over the notion of dis-proportionality. The Media seems to be just as guilty in the practice. Preferential treatment on behalf of a self proclaimed Jewish hating Organization that literally asks for the beating it receives. Composed of several million individuals destined to be vaporized some time in the future. While at least 500,000 Christians were forced out of their homes and country at gun point. The Christians are unarmed and picked no fight.
    They were kicked out by like minded Muslims. Best not let that little tid bit of info sink in too far lest the shilling suffer.

    No doubt the World would have known had Israel gave the move to 500,000 Palestinians at gunpoint to another Country or else. As for the Christians-it’s almost a Serv-Pro moment.

    There is a common denominator in all this jibberish and if you figure it out you’ll understand why there will never be a “Two State Solution”.

  • IslamDownpressesHumanity

    Islamic “assurances about Israel’s security” have all the appeal of loaning a total stranger $500 with assurances of a quick repayment.

  • Biddut

    Palestinians should stop dreaming about a two state solution, and ask for one man, one vote, equal rights within state of Israel. That is one state solution. World is changing. We all see horrific pictures from Gaza. USA is changing and future Democratic party Presidents will no longer be lapdog of AIPAC, like Obama is. Demographic shift in USA will cause policy change within next 20 years. Israel will be boycotted by rest the world for being the only apartheid state of new century. At the end, Israel will be a democratic one state for all people , a beacon of hope for all people of all religion. We just need a Nelson Mandela type leadership from Israel. Jim Crows of Israel will lose at the end of the day. They always lose!

    • Wolfthatknowsall

      Nelson Mandela types in the Middle East tend to be assassinated …

      Besides, the demographics of Israel, if the PALs became part of it, would effectively make the Jewish State an Islamic State, almost immediately. The whole purpose of Israel was to create a Jewish State … a Jewish Homeland.

      You’re not one of those who pronounce Apartheid as “apart-hate”, are you?

    • IslamDownpressesHumanity

      As to Israel being the “only apartheid state of the new century” have you ever looked at any islamic state? All of them are minimally, religious apartheid states and most of them are gender apartheid states. Israel is neither. As a matter of fact, Israel is the only state in the entire Mid-East and N. Africa where muslimes don’t routinely murder and persecute people of other faiths with impunity. So put that in your camel’s rump and have a hump.

  • Americana

    Charles Bybelezer completely misreads Dershowitz’s most recent article by claiming Dershowitz has now recanted on his belief that a two-state solution is possible and is desirable. If Dershowitz mentions this statement by PM Netanyahu — (NETANYAHU) “In Judea and Samaria there is no power that can guarantee Israel’s security other than the IDF…. Any [future peace] arrangement will include Palestinian political and economic control alongside Israeli security control.… We don’t want to rule over the Palestinians, but the necessary security measures [means] that some of their sovereignty will need to be limited.” — it indicates only that some of their sovereignty may be subject to working w/Israeli security agencies in order to secure Israel against Palestinian aggression. Also, it’s quite obvious from Dershowitz saying Israel must curb her settlement building in the West Bank that he’s well aware of Israeli transgressions and undermining of the peace process. Dershowitz may be a staunch and unflinching supporter of Israel, he’s also a hard-headed lawyer who knows what begets what in the Middle East.

  • Lanna

    In typical negotiating Fashion, Hamas wants an airport and sea port in Gaza, as well as opening the Rafah border crossing, plus numerous other outrgageous demands in return for a ceasefire with Israel that it will never keep. It seems Hamas feels it should be rewarded for its latest brutal displays of terrorism on a grand scale, both against Israel and its own people. In return Hamas will refuse to give up its rockets and tunnels and instead smuggle in a newer, better arsenal and rebuild the underground terrorist networks into Israel for another war in a couple of years unless something is firmly done to stop it. I would say there can be no viable two state solution with an enemy who doesn’t care about the life of its own people, as well as Israel’s.