Jews, Get Out of Europe

P. David Hornik is a freelance writer and translator living in Beersheva and author of the book Choosing Life in Israel. 


jewish-cemetery_2495092bThe Anti-Defamation League created a stir last week by releasing the results of a global survey of antisemitism, the most comprehensive ever.

These results are considered shocking by many. Actually, for those who bother to keep up with reality, they contain no surprises.

The Middle East and North Africa come out worst, with 74 percent among population groups qualifying as antisemitic according to the poll’s 11-question index. The most antisemitic political entities in the world? The West Bank and Gaza, coming in at 93 percent. (Yes, those same Palestinians with whom Israel is always under pressure to “make peace.”) 

The next worst region is Eastern Europe, with 34 percent scoring as antisemites. But not too far behind is Western Europe—the home of multiculturalism, advanced environmental awareness, bevies of human rights NGOs, and so on—at 24 percent.

The West European countries scoring highest for antisemitism were Greece with a whopping 69 percent, France at 37 percent, and Spain at 29 percent. Germany did itself proud by coming in above the West European average at 27 percent—a bit over one-quarter antisemitic seven decades after the Holocaust.

Over the weekend the European Jewish Association (EJA), along with other European Jewish organizations, held a briefing on the survey in Brussels for EU ambassadors and officials. 

One of the West European countries scoring lowest for antisemitism was the Netherlands at 5 percent. Yet Rabbi Binyomin Jacobs, chief rabbi of the Netherlands, told this gathering: 

Today, there is a strong political polarization, especially in Holland. Radicals from both sides of the political spectrum have become more extreme, and the middle ground is disappearing. I can’t walk a whole day in the street without having at least one person shout the words “dirty Jew” at me, because I am visibly Jewish.

If so, one hates to think what it’s like in the high-scoring countries.

Rabbi Menachem Margolin, head of the EJA, “called upon all EU member states to establish central committees, directly accountable to the respective prime ministers, in order to lead the fight against anti-Semitism.”

But would establishing committees really be an adequate response at this stage?

Then things got really ugly.

In Milan, Spain on Sunday night, the Israeli professional basketball team Maccabi Tel Aviv won the European championship in a stunning upset by beating Real Madrid. Many Israelis—not least the 9,000 loyal fans who flew to Milan to cheer their team—were ecstatic. The prime minister and the president congratulated the team, and on Monday night Tel Aviv held huge celebrations.

Spanish fans reacted differently. Of course, they weren’t expected to be happy that their team lost. But it wasn’t just a matter of not being happy.

It turns out that Spanish Twitter users reacted to the loss by “post[ing] 17,500 messages of anti-Semitic abuse.” After the game they “created an expletive anti-Semitic hashtag in their messages…, which briefly became one of the most popular keywords on Twitter in Spain.”

Specific reactions included “Jews to the oven” and “Jews to the showers.”

By the way, in Spain today—with its antisemitism ranking of 29 percent—there are about 45,000 Jews out of a total population of 47 million.

The report goes on to say that “Twelve Jewish groups in the northeastern Catalonia region lodged a legal complaint over the messages.” The leader of one of these groups “presented copies of anti-Semitic tweets to state prosecutors.”

Again, getting some of these vicious people in trouble—if that indeed happens—might be worthwhile; but would it really solve the problem?

Instead of committees, lawsuits, and the like, I would suggest a different solution: for Jews, at last, to give up on Europe. For good. To leave it and not go back to it (to live, at least) for a long time, if ever.

If the Holocaust was not enough to convince some Jews that they are not wanted in Europe; if, seven decades later, the situation is one where a rabbi in one of the less antisemitic countries cannot walk the streets without being called “dirty Jew,” is it not time to conclude that one is in the wrong place?

I would prefer for European Jews to come to Israel—which also has to cope with an antisemitic environment, but where Jews are in a qualitatively different situation because they stand on their own two feet and look out for themselves.

But if not Israel, at least not Europe.

The only remaining dignified response is for Jews to bid Europe adieu.  

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  • Judahlevi

    These statistics make it abundantly clear that multiculturalism is not working.

    The reason is easy to understand – it stays at the group level instead of drilling down to the individual level. Any human relational philosophy which is to be effective must not use the same thinking process of a racist. Multiculturalism does.

    It is not cultures which are equal, it is human beings. Only by recognizing that diversity comes from the mind, not the body, will people ever understand that putting people in groups is the problem, not the solution.

    • Newman

      It is very frustrating to argue with you because your conceptions are based on partial truths. You do not seem to understand that people see themselves and others as both individuals and as members of groups. There is nothing inherently wrong with that perspective. It reflects reality accurately. People are individuals AND members of groups. Placing the individual above the group all the time and in every circumstance is just nutty.

      • just sayin

        If you will notice the name he uses, “Judahlevi” along with the Star of David symbol, it screams group identity. Maybe Jews should drop all the group identity stuff and only see themselves as individuals, merely as citizens of planet earth with no group affiliation at all? That, or Judalevi is a hypocrite. I suspect the latter.

        • Habbgun

          What a nonstarter argument you and Newman….”Newman” are using. Multiculturalism is a belief system where we don’t condemn cultures because we simply can’t judge others. Individualism is a belief that individuals get to be individuals because they meet responsibilities. Anyone who thinks there is no individualism in the Torah is a fool by the way.

          An individual has the right to be proud of himself, his beliefs and his culture. An individual must live up to his responsibilities as well. So simple yet so hard.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Demand of Muslims and yourself what you demand of Jews.

        • Wolfthatknowsall

          There’s nothing wrong with group identity, or even multiple group identities. I identify myself as a conservative, as a philosopher, as a singer, as a Christian, as half-Comanche (which explains my screen name, which in the language is “Tsa hinu supanaitu hisa”, as a veteran, as a gun-owner, and others.

          Group identity is how we know the types of people that we wish to associate with, and those that we don’t.

          What nation, by the way, is Planet Earth? And if there was a nation called Planet Earth, I’m quite sure that I wouldn’t want to belong to. The first two things that non-existent nation would do to me is take away my First Amendment rights, followed quickly by my Second Amendment rights …

        • Atikva

          Ah, Jews assimilating till they disappear in the crowd, it’s been attempted many times under many skies, but it never succeeded. I have no objection to Judahlevi (or anybody else, for that matter) proclaiming his identity on this site, and I don’t expect anyone to object to my harboring visible signs of my euro-christian identity in public, which I do every day of my life.

          Citizens of planet Earth my foot! Vive la difference! Thank God, we don’t have the same roots, histories, genes, mother tongues and personalities. Why on earth would we want to do away with our heritage and tender memories in order to become just anybody, that is to say: nobody?

          If you are satisfied with being anybody, it’s your privilege and it’s fine. As it is Judahlevi’s and mine to hold on to our roots.

          • David Ashton

            Ditto, non-Jewish nations, peoples, races.

        • Kuti

          Whenever Jews have dropped their group identity they have been forced to remember by wearing badges, hats, clothes and placed in special living areas, blocking them from becoming part of the mainstream. Read your history!

          • Martel

            Quite the opposite. Make a strong argument that Jews were supposedly more individualistic prior to world war two.

      • http://tinyurl.com/pw69arn senatormark4

        I don’t know where you come from, but one of the things that sets America apart is our belief in the freedom of the individual. Our freedoms do NOT come from government or get granted by some group. We OWN our freedom as granted to us by God.

        You are so sad. Bow to conformity like Obama. Waving the gay flag and bowing to the Saudi kind of gay murder.
        http://tinyurl.com/pw69arn

        • Mark L

          Consider that God Himself sees and deals with people as groups in both Torah and New Testament. Only Christianity provides for seeing others as individuals with its “… neither Jew nor Greek” passage, but even there it is in the spiritual sense.

          The problem here is as old as humanity itself. All people need their own countries where they can live in a culture they all share and agree with. Want trouble in the land? Open your national borders up for unfettered immigration. That’ll do it.

          I agree with the author that Jews should live in Israel among themselves. Not because I have anything against Jews, but because it is the natural and best solution for all people. The Islamic problems in Europe would end if they were not there. They too need their own countries. All people do unless they are willing to live by the “When in Rome…” principle.

          • mackykam

            Your first paragraph displays gross ignorance of Judaism. Any moral value that Christianity displays comes from its Jewish roots, which it paraphrases and dispenses.
            And what country should you return to? Seems to me America’s culture and scientific knowledge has been greatly enhanced by Jews. You sit around the yule log singing Christmas songs written by Jews ( white Christmas, jingle bell….); you play Sondheim, Berlin, Gershwin, Kaye, Simon & Garfinkle and dozens of other; watch movies by an industry practically invented by Jews; sit in total security in a homeland because a bunch of Jews developed the atom bomb for you; enjoy good health due to Jewish pioneers in medicine; take instant photographs, enjoy high tech security and checkout counters in supermarkets because of Jews.
            America wouldn’t be what it is today of not for its minority of Jews, or the Jew Hayim Solomon who gave his entire wealth to help fund the continental army and who died broke because the government never saw fit to help him in his old age. And the next time you visit Monticello remember it was a Jew, Levy, naval officer in the USN, who bought and donated it in perpetuity to the American people.

          • Judahlevi

            Millions of individuals contributed to make America the unique success it has been – although this is fading now.

            Individual Jews are part of the story, but so are millions of individual non-Jews as well. We all should be proud of the country they made and, hopefully, one we can restore to prosperity and freedom.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            America is made of people who fled awful Europe, were dragged here after being captured by Muslims and sold into slavery to European and American slave traders.

            America REJECTS European “royalty”.

            No Kings in America.

          • David Ashton

            You have dynasties like the Kennedys, the Rockefellers and the “Clintstones”. King Bank and King Bunk.

          • Jakareh

            “I agree with the author that Jews should live in Israel among
            themselves. Not because I have anything against Jews, but because it is
            the natural and best solution for all people. The Islamic problems in
            Europe would end if they were not there”

            Do you mean to say the Islamic problems would end if Muslims were not in Europe or if Jews were not in Europe?

          • Kuti

            While Christians wait for Jesus the Jew, the Muslims wait for the 13th Imam…both faiths are distorted rants taken from ……{drumroll}….The Jews!

    • Brian Cunningham

      Unfortunately, the majority of American Jews vote as leftists first and Jews second. It’s almost like “We’d better hurry or we will miss the “last train to Auschwitz.”
      Abe Foxman and the ADL view U.S. conservatives as their #1 enemy.

      • Judahlevi

        There are good conservative Jews such as David Horowitz, Daniel Greenfield, Michael Medved, Dennis Prager, Daniel Lapin, Mona Charen, and many more who disagree with Foxman 90% of the time.

        No self-declared ‘spokesperson’ can ever speak for everyone in any group. No group thinks exactly the same way. Every human being in any abstract group is an individual.

        • Drakken

          We are all tribal, whether you like it or not, and when times get tough, we group together and defend our group from the next group. Sorry, but multicultural utopia is a pipedream and always ends in blood and tears.

          • cjkcjk

            Basic, historically proven truths which no one ever seems to get. It just sounds so much better, that kumbaya thing. Unfortunately mankind has never lived up to that dream nor will it ever till Christ returns.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            I side with the American “tribe”.

            It’s not perfect, but considering Eurabia, it’s the best.

        • victoryman

          What is needed is a fourth branch of Judaism to replace Orthodox, Conservative and Reform Jews. What is needed is Warrior Jews. Jews who do not practice liberalism as their “True” religion in the hopes that when push comes to shove, the tiger will eat them last. The Book of Joel, 3:10 states, “Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning hooks into spears; Let the weak say, I am strong.” Precedent for Warrior Jews? Just look at Moses, David, Joshua, etc………….not Foxman, Speilberg and Streisand.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            King David was a warrior.

            Israel is a nation of Warriors is equipped to defend itself and destroy its attackers.i

            Eurabia is a lost cause. Socialist Estrogen Poisoning – too much estrogen from plant sources?

        • David Ashton

          I never wanted England “multiculturalized” for the same reason that Israelis want a predominantly if not exclusively Jewish culture, nation and homeland. Apart from a few Jews like Harold Soref, Alfred Sherman and Melanie Phillips, most Jewish leaders of opinion in my country have supported or even promoted “multiracial immigration” and “multicultural legislation”. Why?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The BBC is run by whom? Who are the presenters? Der Guardian sides with whom? george gallowsway, red ken, lauren booth side with whom?

            What the F are you babbling about?

          • David Ashton

            There are leftist criticisms of Israeli policies towards the Palestinians on the BBC and in The Guardian, along with their support for multi-racialism and immigration. But The Guardian, like The Observer, gives high priority to Jewish writers and issues, as well as supporting immigration, which will also include letters from and articles by people of Jewish heritage to that effect. Such sentiments are widely shared by the wealthy Jewish intelligentsia of north London, though NOT generally “the Jewish street” as typified by “black cab drivers” that were my neighbors in Chingford, Essex, where I was born and later lived for a while.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Which Jews support “multiracial immigration” for Britain?

            Red Ken? PressTV George Gallowsway? Jenny Tonge? Lauren Booth? Andy Choudary?

          • David Ashton

            I return to reply directly to your question.

            I am opposed to all these characters for different reasons.

            The Jews who have supported and/or still support multiracial immigration include the Board of Deputies (which also pushed for restrictions on free speech), the Holocaust Educational Trust and similar organisations, that tie in the genocide of Jews to “xenophobia” against foreign immigrants, the London Jewish Cultural Centre, The Times (although James Harding has now moved onto TV) which is “co-edited” by David (“Son of Sam”) Aaronovitch (although Melanie Phillips is allowed to dissent occasionally), Gerry Gable and “Searchlight”, various Jewish MPs and publicists (often using the argument that “we were strangers in Egypt”, or we sought refugee in Britain, so we must be kind to other asylum seekers); I can list names, if you cannot be bothered to research this from the internet yourself, starting with The Jewish Chronicle archives.

            I have subscribed to the JC ever since my work for the campaign to release Jewish AND OTHER political prisoners from Soviet labor camps, and it is a most interesting and informative source of information.

            A personal note: I deliberately got into the anti-racist education campaign, as a spy on the wall so to speak, when I was a teacher. We had a lecturer in the mid-1970s at the London University Institute of Education who said, in effect, that to destroy English national identity it was necessary to have maximum third-world immigration and maximum pressure to prevent opposition. One of our company dared to ask how the admission of endless theocratic anti-communists from South Asia could help advance the socialist revolution, and she replied that the first overwhelming priority was to destroy English “racism”, and then afterwards we could deal with Muslim “sexism”. Like many leftists from South Africa at that time, the lady was Jewish.

          • tickletik

            Because they don’t want to live in Israel, and they know they will never be accepted as true Gentiles as much as they may wish otherwise.

          • David Ashton

            Argue it out with Mr Screw Socialism, since you are not interested in listening to me.

          • tickletik

            The reply I think you are referring to was to a very clever snide remark of yours.

            I’m not clever, I’m stupid. I’m also not good at snide insulting comments, because that is for clever people, not stupid simple people like me.

            So I assume most people like me are stupid as well and not clever like you. Stupid people don’t like to talk to clever people, because you are too clever and snide for us stupid simple people, which is why I was uninterested in speaking to you and assumed those like me were the same.

            But when you write things that are not clever and insulting, I am happy to reply honestly.

          • David Ashton

            Feel free to quote my “very snide insult” and I shall be happy honestly to defend or retract it. Most of the insults here seem to be targeted on me and others with fairly similar views, and Frontpage Mag has deleted what I consider my less “simple” replies to others. Actually don’t think Mr Tickletik that you are as “stupid” as you say, and you can go boldly here where no man has gone before.

          • tickletik

            No, trust me on this one, I’m definitely an idiot. God makes certain that I am aware of that on a regular basis whenever I am insane or deluded enough to think otherwise.

            I’m going to paraphrase here:

            “The silence is deafening”

            my response

            “Maybe because no one wants to speak to you”

            I actually wrote a few responses, and edited them several times because I realized they were emotional and bitter and didn’t help either of us.

            Unfortunately I wasn’t fast enough to delete the entire bitter angry retort before you saw it.

            Point: there are a lot of emotions here, are you here for entertainment or are you here to achieve something?

            Speaking personally, I actually go to sites, even this one and use righteous indignation to amuse myself as an escape from healthy things I need to do. I also sometimes use these things as a form of ranting/venting. Then I vented one time and saw I deeply insulted people that didn’t have it coming. Which made me cut down on the ranting.

          • David Ashton

            I appreciate what you have written.

            I came to this site because of (1) its attack on leftism, especially in academia, and its funding, (2) its documented anti-communism, and (3) its opposition to Islamic jihad and immigration.

            I do not find Jewish or any other hatred of Europeans, who wish to be friendly, at all “entertaining”, and have tried to give explanations for antisemitism that help to reduce rather than increase it; this seems to have provoked the reverse result.

            I have had reasonable, documented and temperate replies deleted, while being subjected to nothing but nasty, ignorant, humorless and even contradictory personal abuse.

            So any efforts of mine have become a waste of time, and no fun for me. Finis.

          • tickletik

            You are walking into an article dealing with a particularly touchy issue. Our history with Europe goes back to Rome, through our bitter rivalry with Christendom, the various purges and expulsions and the more recent horror, finally to our new country and our own modern rivalries and anger over the modern era re: Israel and the diaspora. We have a long history together. If you walk into this sort of article expecting calmness and rational objectivity then you are being unrealistic.

            The best you can hope for is understanding in this situation. Believe me, we are no stupider than anyone else, but part of being sane means recognizing the limits of logical analysis and respect for the harsh realities of survival. Ie, there is only so much shit a person can be expected to put up with.

            I say, let it go. The venting is harmless and despite what you may think that while there is anger and bitterness I tell you we have no real hatred for you.

          • David Ashton

            I reply again with genuine respect that I can understand how Jews feel, especially after the WW2 experience. By trying to give a more balanced notion of antisemitism in history, I hope to help not not to harm Jews. May I refer you to writers like Albert Lindemann and Norman Cantor for similar balance from your “own side”.

          • tickletik

            Well, it looks like my brilliant reply got deleted along with your brilliant reply. Personally, I think the mods are right to delete most of these replies as all the do is get emotional and bitter and do no one any real good.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        The majority of Americans are not Jewish and those same majority of Americans voted for Obama – twice.

        Obama has made America weaker and more dependent on foreign powers – like Russia to get American astronauts into space.

    • Drakken

      Not all cultures, people and religions are all equal, history has proven this time and time again, what is it with folks that think you can compromise with a culture(islam) that wants to kill you?
      Multiculturalism and diversity are always a one way ticket to civil strife and Balkanization. Europe is going to explode in a frenzy of violence against anything not European shortly that will make a Serb blush with envy.

      • Judahlevi

        I never said that all “cultures” or “religions” are equal – in fact I don’t believe that. For example, Islamic culture is clearly inferior to Western culture.

        I believe that all human beings are equal for being human. There are no super humans are sub humans. All human beings are deserving of the same respect for being human.

    • Joe The Gentile

      Judahlevi, I can partially but not entirely agree that this is a good explanation of multiculturalism. Multiculturalism, shall we say, may be inclined to ferment better in leftist and collectivist/utopian brains in the West, but the phenomenon needs a lot more than leftism to explain it, never emerged in certain politically-leftist societies such as former China, and it IS found among conservative-identifying people.

      Multiculturalism’s arose in general stupidity, ignorance and taboo regarding ethnicity; a lethal combination of high ideals, low grasp of reality, and high taboo. It is a form of political autism regarding ethnicity. It involves the repression (through taboo) of recognition of the value of ones own group, and repression of recognition of the negatives of other groups and the risks that invasion of other groups bring. It is logically inconsistent and imbued with many double-standards. It is essentially a crap ideology in the domain of ethnicity and identity that has not been properly challenged and properly worked out. Multiculturalism never passed the *thinking* test. It could only flourish because it was taboo to challenge it among those who embodied it.

      • Judahlevi

        I agree that multiculturalism did not pass the “thinking” test. It denies reality.

        Reality is that each human being is an unique individual, not a group. Multiculturalism continues the tired collectivist grouping of people which racists, sexists, and other bigots use. It is this collective thinking that must be changed in order to improve human relations and harmony. In other words, you don’t think like a racist to cure racism – you think differently. You break the mold.

        I disagree that it had anything to do with “high ideals.” It has to do with fitting certain agendas.

        • Joe The Gentile

          Would you agree that there are tribal-type phenomena that are positive–such as the love of ones own country, for example? This particular kind of emotion is taboo for the multiculturalist (though in an inconsistent way–it is taboo for those in the dominant/strong culture to love their identity-group, but acceptable and even encouraged of the less dominant/weaker culture).

          My analysis of multiculturalism has much in common with my analysis of leftism–I don’t believe collectivism captures them, rather can be an element, and certain double-standards and biases have to be additionally present.

          The Leftist’s collectivism contains double-standards or he is not a leftist; in the view of the leftist, the presumed weak/oppressed have collectivist entitlements, while the high-performing groups gain no collectivist entitlements from their collective achievements. The Leftist is collectivist but biased against the successful; he is collectivist only to the extent that it suits his narrative.

          Leftism and multiculturalism both have a commitment, of a misguided kind, to equality. A distorted VIEW and concomitant DENIAL are actually REQUIRED in both camps; the Leftist cannot MUST DENY that some groups are actually achieving more than others, as opposed to oppressing the others; and the multiculturalist MUST DENY that some cultures are better than others.

          I would agree that the only real ‘equality’ that it is philosophically mature to commit to is equality of opportunity. Both Leftism and multiculturalism commit to an equality of OUTCOMES, which always fail the reality test. The Leftist believes in equality of outcomes, maintaining that it would be the natural state of things except that it is destroyed by the oppressors (achievers); the multiculturalist believes that there is already an equality of outcomes in CULTURES (all cultures equally-good and fruitful).

          • Judahlevi

            Leftists are not driven by “equality”, they are driven by self interest – as we all are.

            Besides their naiveté, they are also motivated by a very strong dose of the human emotion of envy.

            Only when you include self interest and envy into any equation which seeks to identify leftists and their motivation will one ever get a reasonable answer.

            Both leftism and multiculturalism are human philosophies and subject to human frailties. Selfishness causes double standards, envy causes the appearance of cries for ‘social justice’ (equal outcomes). Neither are based on rational thinking, but a convoluted series of thoughts which attempt to twist reality to their wants.

            Like I said, this is not based on high ideals.

          • Joe The Gentile

            I would never say either that Leftists are ‘driven by equality’, as that would be a gross oversimplification that is too kind to them, but equality is a vital part of their narrative and worldview. The way they justify themselves is based on this ideal.

            I do believe that ‘high ideals’ are part of the problem of multiculturalism. Multiculturalists have utopian tendencies. This does not mean ‘high standards’. In fact, they have ‘high ideals’ and ‘low standards’.

          • Judahlevi

            Multiculturalists do not have utopian tendencies, they have agendas. It is only utopian from their agenda’s perspective, not for human relations. These are indeed low standards.

            The utopian ideal for human relations is Individualism, not multiculturalism. Individualism recognizes the reality that each one of us is a unique individual, not a group, and respects each person equally for being a human being.

          • Joe The Gentile

            If multiculturalism is Utopian from their agenda’s perspective as you say, then multiculturalism is Utopian. Are you perhaps confusing ‘Utopian’ with ‘ideal’?

          • Judahlevi

            No confusion on my part. Thanks for the exchange.

          • David Ashton

            Each individual has the right to life and liberty, but the pursuit of happiness includes attachment to cultural values. Getting the balance is the problem.

    • David Ashton

      Do Jews put themselves in a group?

      • David Ashton

        Silence is deafening.

        • Guest

          ..

          • David Ashton

            Beam me up, Mr Sulu. My ears are stuffed and my trap is shut.

  • UCSPanther

    If Europeans want their Judenrein “paradise” so badly, they can have it.

    • LovelyNordicHeidi

      Ever looked for a more reasonable answer to the question: Why is there anti-Semitism?

      There is such a thing as ethnic conflict.

      Gentiles and Jews are responsible for mutual hostilities.

      Reading up on our history with Jews might be a good start.

      @ archive DOT org you can find “The Culture of Critique” by Kevin Macdonald.

      It’s worth a read for anti-Semite and philo-Semite alike.

      It will make them more reasonable.

    • David Ashton

      Some of us would prefer a Europe without Muslims.

  • Lawrence

    The thing is the stats themselves underplay things. The survey was done by the useless ADL after all, it didn’t bother to address modern-day anti-Semitism as anti-Israelism aka anti-Zionism. The whole survey was a cop-out, it didn’t ask any of those questioned if they were anti-Zionist or if they justified the Palestinians’ jihad against the Jews. If they had, those stats on anti-Semitism would have ballooned for Europe and even America (the Palestinian and Arab Muslim stats were already through the roof because they don’t bother hiding their Jew-hatred behind the usual anti-Israel mantras).

    Israel has plenty of anti-Semitic Jews (it’s even worse than you think), never mind the anti-Semitism among its Arab Muslim population, so you know… Where are these Jews to go? The US is increasingly dhimmified, and increasingly anti-Semitic, its liberal Jews in principle riddled through with self-loathing and utter indifference to the plight of Israel. So if not Israel, where are they to go? Japan, China? Greenland? A Hindu enclave in India? I’m not being facetious here. If not Israel, then there are not many other options. Australia is not as bad as Europe, but there is a lot of anti-Semitism there too, and a growing Muslim population. And New Zealand? The less said about the last outpost of the British Empire, the better (although still preferable to Europe, but that’s no comfort).

  • Lawrence

    As one brave Spanish journalist put it (and got fired as a result), Europeans murdered six million Jews and replaced them with near thirty million Muslims. So how’s that working out for you Europe?

    • logdon

      Badly.

    • Hard Little Machine

      They simply outsourced the Holocaust to the Muslims.

      • lighthorse16

        Nope, I don’t think Muslims will change their Religion anytime soon.

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    • BS77

      I can just hear Louis Satchmo Armstrong singing OH WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD……..

    • rain

      read that, it was brilliant!!!! good, they will be very, very sorry they replaced 6 mill innocent jews with even more violent, vicious terrorists, i hope that entire continent dissapears with the muslims there, oh they will be very sorry they went from a population that was quiet to this twisted, vile population

      • David Ashton

        Listen to yourself. Hasn’t anyone thought of a word like “antigentilism” or “europhobia”? In Britain left-wing Jews support the Islamic occupation, while so-called far-right “nazis” oppose it. Why should my grandchildren have to disappear because of such insensate hatred?

        • Guest

          Since you thought of those words, antigentilism and europhobia are going straight into my vocabulary. We just need to develop an identity based on a deep concern about antigentilism….. fueled by comments of virulent antigentiles….. and then….. we will be just like….. just like…..

          • Joe The Gentile

            Guest, I understand you found it embarrassing to complete your reductio ad Hitlerum on a site not dominated by teenagers so you left it hanging for us to complete in our heads. I get it, oppose hatred in general is fine, opposing hatred a mong Jews is just like Hitler.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          You forgot “anti-infidelism” – the kind that bombs Pan Am 103, bombs London transport on 7/7/05, beheads British soldiers like Lee Rigby.

          • David Ashton

            Of course I haven’t forgot. I opposed Muslim immigration consistently from the outset, as both a citizen and as a teacher despite the informal sanctions against me. A pity this was not the case with politically influential Jewish organisations and individuals.

            According to some (sad to say Jewish) commentators here, I am a disingenuous fraud, a Nazi, a Muslim sympathizer, scum, garbage, trash, a twisted vile creature, &c.

            In a previous incarnation with a different DNA, they could have got work scribbling for “Der Stuermer”.

      • Martel

        Jews have traditionally considered the Europeans as twisted, vile creatures. I do not blame your ancestors,as you blame mine, but I expect more from modern Jews, who have the resources and the time to develop a more nuanced understanding of ”antisemitism”. Do you enjoy that our elderly no longer feel safe in their own communities, that our girls cannot walk on the street at night because they fear being abused by Muslims?

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Americans consider Eurotrash as twisted vile creatures.

          WW1 and WW2 reinforce that view.

      • David Ashton

        Would it really be “anti-Semitic” to regard this sort of comment as bordering on psychosis?

    • Joe The Gentile

      The statement that the ‘Europeans’ murdered six million Jews is offensive and wrong in the same way that it is offensive and wrong to state that the ‘Jews’ murdered Christ.

      • Brian

        Well, perhaps the author could have phrased it differently but it is accurate. Germany, a Eorupean country, did murder six million Jews. And umm no, the Jews might have condemned Christ and wanted him dead but it was the Romans that actually murdered Christ.

        • Joe The Gentile

          It isn’t accurate to say ‘the Europeans’ murdered six million Jews.

          By the logic of your second point, maybe Hitler didn’t murder the Jews, someone else did it for him.

          • Brian

            It IS accurate and highly so or are you attempting to say that Germans of that Era were not part of Europe or European?

            And no, Hitler was the one that came up with the idea that jews were the problem. He focused the Nazi’s that the Jews were the cause of all their problems and it was under him that the “final solution” was devised, and carried out.

            You can fail to like what that implies all you like but it does not change the facts or how it sounds when said or written.

          • Joe The Gentile

            Join the dots. It isn’t accurate and it is a slander in the same way as it is a slander to say ‘the Whites’ killed six million Jews or ‘the Christians’ killed six million Jews. Or ‘the Africans’ murdered the Tutsi. Or ‘the Jews’ murdered Christ.
            My point about Hitler is not that he didn’t murder the Jews, rather that murder by delegation, demand or request is murder, which undermines your reasoning that the fact that Romans carried out the killing is the reason that the Jews didn’t do it.
            I support the notion that the Jews did not murder Christ, but not on the basis of your flawed reasoning.
            I do not like seeing the innocent being slandered, regardless of race, ethnicity or nationality.

          • Brian

            You can consider it flawed all you like. None of the facts however support YOUR flawed reasoning. History is quite clear on the events.

            And sorry but it IS highly Accurate. It is just one of those things that Germany and Europe is going to have to live with much like the U.S. has to live with the fact that they murdered an untold number of American Indians. It’s distasteful but it happened. Dodging it by lying and saying it is slander and inaccurate only makes you look foolish.

          • Joe The Gentile

            The Europeans neither should nor shall live under this slander. Is it right, fair and accurate to say ‘The Christians murdered six million Jews during WW2′. Please explain your reasoning.

          • Brian

            First off you need a whole lot better understanding and grasp of what slander is and is not. It is clear by your argument that you do not.

            Hitler was I believe, Prussian by birth, he then came into power in Germany and formed up the N azi party and the last I checked Germany was still European. In every country that Hitler conquered he found some allies, not a lot but some and these are all European. Thus it is that Europe slaughtered 6 million or more Jews during WW2.

            In order for it to BE slander it has to be a false accusation and History shows us quite clearly and in stark horrifying detail at Auschwitz and other death camps that it was not false.

          • Joe The Gentile

            No, your reasoning is flawed. You claim reason but dodge the questions I asked that require reason to answer. I am consistent: the following are all slander of innocents: The Europeans murdered 6 million Jews during WW2; The Christians murdered 6 million Jews during WW2; The Jews murdered Christ.

            To you, only some of these are wrong and slander. Your spurious grounds for excluding the last are thoroughly refuted. The facts are not disputed, the reasoning is.

            If you answer why each of these are slander and wrong, and which not, in a consistent and sensible way, devoid of double standards and gerry-rigging, you will have supported your case with reason. Until then, your reasoning is a failure.

          • Brian

            Joe, it is YOUR logic that is flawed from the beginning.

            Your statement is slander that Jews murdered Christ because of the simple fact that Jews were not in power. It was the Romans at that time. Roman governance and it was Roman law that put Christ to death.

            Your statement is slander that Christians killed 6 million jews in WW2. Hitler was a manipulator and knew how to speak to crowds. He used their fears and worked on them. Hitler was not a Christian and neither were the N azis although he gave lip service to Catholicism.

            Hitler’s N azi Germany is/was European. And Germans bear that as it was Germans that brought Hitler to power. It was Germany as a whole that brought about the death of over 6 million Jews and countless other lives in the last World War. People from every European country that Hitler invaded actively and willingly aided Hitler and the Nazi’s in their rabid extermination of Jews. You might want to remember that.

            If you don’t like that, tough. It is what it is. The facts and history speak volumes. Europeans are stuck with that stigma.

          • Joe The Gentile

            Brian, you are unable to give justice to the Europeans, and your inconsistencies and biases and lack of logic are now exposed thoroughly.

            (i) You apparently accept that it is slander that ‘the Jews murdered Christ’, but place it on the false grounds that ‘they were not in power’. This fails for reasons already stated, but which can be expanded further here. SOME Jews *demanded* the murder of Jesus and the Romans decided to carry it out and carried it out in response to that demand. When a murder is carried out in response to a demand or even request for it, those who demand it are guilty of murder. This a universal principle of law and ethics and in fact applies to any crime, not just murder. So, yes, some LEADING Jews murdered Jesus, notwithstanding the fact that Romans carried out the act and, yes, *also* murdered Jesus.

          • Joe The Gentile

            @disqus_YAA8wK8brt:disqus
            (ii) You apparently accept that it is slander to say that ‘the Christians murdered 6 million Jews during WW2′ but base it on the spurious ground that Hitler was not a Christian. There is no doubt that the vast majority of those who carried out the Holocaust were Christians; yet it is the status of the highest-level decision-maker alone that seems to dispose this particular slander case for you. How strange. This is the gerry-rigging that I expected, a tortuous argument, a grasping at a distinction without a real difference. If the fact that Hitler was not Christian are the true grounds why ‘the Christians murdered 6 million Jews during WW2′ is slander, then by the same reasoning, ‘the Germans murdered millions of Jews during WW2′ is slander on the strange grounds that Hitler was Austrian, not German! Also, because of your weak grounds, you would also have to accept that it would NOT be slander if Hitler did happen to be a Christian! Silly! The actual religious status of Hitler has no sensible bearing on whether this is slander or not.

            The deep flaws and inconsistencies and biases of your reasoning are exposed. I am the one who is being consistent and following reason.

          • NYgal

            Joe, with all due respect, you claim that Jews demanded the death of Jesus is a part of your religious narrative and not a historical fact, as there are no corroborating, contemporary records, Roman or Jewish, of Jewish of Jesus, his trial or death.

            The Gospels, which are the source, were written my people who neither personally knew Jesus, witnessed his alleged trial and execution or even resided in Judea and thus among the original followers of Jesus.

            Holocaust, despite numerous deniers, was a historical fact, with contemporary witnesses, survivors and documentary evidence still existing. That evidence points to wide cooperation of the local population with the Nazis in the murder of the Jews.

          • Joe The Gentile

            It doesn’t happen to be part of my *personal* narrative, NYgal. You are right that an issue is being glossed over, but I say because it is peripheral. Do ‘the Jews’ get to deny the charges only on the basis that the Christion gospels are questionable? Is it no slander to say then that ‘according to the Bible, the Jews murdered Christ?’

            My position is that the claim that the Jews murdered Christ is slander even if the Gospel account of Jesus’ death is accurate.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The Romans, Europeans, murdered Christ – among others – until the decadent Roman Empire collapsed.

            Funny how the naz is emulated the Roman Empire – with their Standards and alliance with Italy.

          • David Ashton

            Purely for the record, among the earliest ancient Jewish references to Jesus are statements that he was a mamzer who led Israel astray and was hanged [after stoning?] at the time of the Passover.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The Romans, Europeans, murdered Christ – a Jew.

          • Joe The Gentile

            LOL! Thanks! Very funny!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Glad you like history!

          • David Ashton

            Pilate was not “the Europeans”.

            Caiaphas was not “the Jews”.

          • David Ashton

            Hitler (an Austrian, not Prussian) came to power mainly because of votes from people troubled by unemployment and then arrangement with conservative politicians. Few people at that time anywhere saw in his obsessive racial antisemitism a plan literally to slaughter the Jews. The actual number of the victims makes absolutely no difference to the evil, but it is unlikely that as many as “6 million or more” were directly murdered – the number of victims at Auschwitz has been “officially reduced”, for example.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            “but it is unlikely that as many as “6 million or more” were directly murdered”

            David Irving I presume?

          • David Ashton

            Gerald Reitlinger (1953), Kurt Glaser (1979), Jean-Claude Pressac (1994), Fritjof Meyer (2002). David Irving is irrelevant. Don’t presume anything. Do some thorough research and make your mind up.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Historical Revisionism?

            LOL!

            You placed your hopes on David Irving – and you were disappointed – again – making him irrelevant.

            LOL!

          • David Ashton

            I regarded Irving as something of a documentary stunt man right from early student days, and have said so several times. He has merits and demerits. He is very readable writer and has done much original research now available to other historians. His bias towards Hitler, unlike his hostility to Goebbels, has been carefully dissected by Richard Evans, and his response was simply to call his critic “Skunky”. His book on the Hungarian uprising and the first volume on Churchill’s war are quite informative. His libel action was a gross blunder, but he has been further punished by an effective near-boycott of his publications.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            National Socialism lost again.

            Sad. /sarc

          • Joe The Gentile

            Careful David. If you think the number was more like 5,999,999 that makes you a holocaust-denier!

          • David Ashton

            Even on-line Holocaust-”dissectors” like Germar Rudolf end up with quite high numbers.

            Raul Hilberg made it “only” 5.1 million.

            According to the Russian specialist Alexander Yakovlev, the total killed for political reasons or in camps and prisons totaled at least 20 million, but that was just inside the Soviet Union from Bolshevism, where most victims were “only” Gentiles.

          • Mickey Oberman

            “it is unlikely that as many as “6 million or more” were directly murdered …”

            Despite proven facts Ashton is still a revisionist.

            What do you mean “directly murdered”?

            Who were the officials that “officially reduced” the numbers?

            ” The actual number of the victims makes absolutely no difference to the evil,”

            Perhaps not to you, Ashton, but it makes a big difference to the dead and to their survivors and to their fellow Jews that were able to escape the massacres. You may shrug it off. I can’t. My mother’s family was totally wiped out. 53 living breathing human beings murdered. That number makes a difference to me and many others.
            My father’s family was much larger. My grandfather had seven siblings. All gone. Massacred. One young man of that family survived. He died at an early age as a result of his treatment in the camps.

            You, sir by your Taqiyya and your Kitman and your denials and your insinuations are as guilty as those that pulled the triggers and dropped the gas pellets.

          • NYgal

            Hitler wasn’t Prussian, but Austrian by birth, as were many of the commandants of the extermination camps.
            And you are quite right that the responsibility for the slaughter of the Jews falls widely in Europe.
            While in Western Europe the local police collaborated by rounding up the Jews for the transports to the extermination camps, and neighbors denounced hiding Jews, those in countries like Poland,
            Ukraine, Rumania or Croatia it went far beyond that, actually getting into the killing business themselves.
            In a town of Jedwabne, in Poland, one half of the town, the Poles, brutally murdered their Jewish neighbors, while the Germans watched on. Only 7 people survived, hidden by one brave Polish woman, who for years after the war had hidden her bravery and humanity from her Polish neighbors for fear of retribution. And there were many, many Jedwabne in Eastern Europe.

          • Mickey Oberman

            You, Joe, are the one who added the article “the” to the sentence. That changes its meaning to give you a point to argue that was not used by anyone but you.

            Europeans should, are and shall live under that – not slander but fact. Most have yet to even acknowledge the complicity of many of their country men and women.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            See PressTV George Gallowsway.

          • Joe The Gentile

            I ‘added’ the ‘the’ relative to what? I opened up this sub-thread with the correct thesis that ‘The statement that the ‘Europeans’ murdered six million Jews is offensive and wrong in the same way that it is offensive and wrong to state that the ‘Jews’ murdered Christ’. Then you started taking the ‘the’ out.

            Fine. The ‘the’ makes is a little worse, and a little more OBVIOUSLY slander. But not by much. The thesis is just as solid without the ‘the’.

            If you disagree, are you happy with someone putting ads on the sides of buses with the words ‘Jews killed Jesus’, or do you consider it slander? Under what grounds?

          • David Ashton

            Collective guilt, expiation and reparations for ever?

          • NYgal

            David, forget reparations. In most of Eastern Europe the locals refuse to return the private and communal property to the Jews.

            And forget the collective guilt, just let go of antisemitism.
            I was just with a group of middle aged Polish ladies, visiting one of those quaint Polish towns, which pre WW2 was 1/2 Jewish. While our well educated young local host and guide showed us through local places of interest, and old photographs, he invariably made disparaging, offensive remarks while referring to Jews, or Jewish places. Quite a few of the women seemed to share his view. Except me, everybody seemed to think the young man was wonderful, while I politely made quite clear to him that I am Jewish, and so not amused by his statements.

          • Martel

            Poland was run by ethnocentric Jews even after the second world war, this has left a poor taste in their mouth. This will not go away by believing ”antisemitism” just appeared out of nowhere, and single blame falls upon the shoulders of European gentiles. This is incorrect and illogical.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The US had to save Europe from itself, twice.

            Europe has brought a lot of death and destruction to the world in the 20th century.

            Europe hated and still hates Jews, and now Europe is being overrun by Islamists.

            I see Europe heading to a third European war – a civil war. I hope the US stays out of the third European war.

            The UK is devolving and should seriously consider sending its nuclear weapons to the US, Canada or Australia – to keep them out of the hands of Islamists or the resurgent Eurotrash naz is.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Can you give examples of the guides jibes against Jews?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Collective guilt of Europeans for WW1 and WW2 and deaths of tens of millions?.

            You bet.

          • Joe The Gentile

            I think Brian will be happy if Europeans bear the stigma, the stain. He’s not in this for money.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            It’s European history.

            It’s ain’t slander if its true.

            David Irving found that out.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            And American Slavery is a fact.

            And current day Slavery in Sudan, Mauritania and Saudi Arabia is a fact.

          • David Ashton

            Well done! Factual assertions with content, not empty or false abuse of others. You are learning slowly how to conduct a debate.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            It ain’t slander when it’s true.

            David Irving found that out.

          • Joe The Gentile

            Then ‘The Jews murdered Christ’ is not slander, at least to those who believe the Bible account accurate. It cuts both ways.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The Romans, European Imperialists, murdered Christ – a Jew.

            Stop blaming others for “your” European crimes.

            And Europeans continue to murder Christ with every damning of Jews.

          • Joe The Gentile

            No, the gospel accounts place the leading Jews of Jerusalem murdering Jesus. To go from this to ‘[according to the Gospel], the Jews murdered Jesus’ is not slander if ‘the Europeans murdered 6 million Jews’ is not slander. Both are true but in an overgeneralized way. Both slander the innocent.

            What is happening is that people here like slandering innocent Europeans, and are enjoying the prospect of their destruction, while they don’t like slandering innocent Jews. They are demonizing antisemitism while indulging in antigentile hatred.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            What were the Imperialist Romans doing?

            Crucifying people? People such as….
            Europeans of the 1930′s and 1940′s are not innocent. The ruin of Europe was committed by Europeans. 10′s of millions died all over the world.

            WW2 was a Civil War that spread across the globe – and the outcome was Europe in ruins and America a World Power.

          • Joe The Gentile

            No-one is disputing that according to the gospels, the Romans murdered Jesus; and so also, according to the gospels, did the Jewish leaders of Jerusalem.

          • David Ashton

            Are you aware of what the Talmud says about Jesus?

          • David Ashton

            “You bet.” I bet you have not read through the actual transcripts of the Irving trial, or many of his books, or consulted his website. I have never been a great Irving fan as explained on this thread, but I do look at facts as thoroughly as I can.

            You do not debate. You just shout defamatory abuse.

          • Mickey Oberman

            Once again Joe adds his own Islamic twist to the narrative by adding ‘the Whites’ killed….”

            “I do not like seeing the innocent being slandered, regardless of race, ethnicity or nationality.”

            But that is precisely what you are doing with your letters that revise the original words.

          • Joe The Gentile

            You silly Billy. The phrase ‘the Whites killed’ is presented b me as an example of something absurd and wrong.

          • Martel

            A quick lesson in Jewish prejudice. Many of the comments about Europeans as the source of all evil make me think I’m not on a conservative website but Salon or Huffpo.

          • Martel

            Many Europeans considered the Jews a problem, a great example is Winston Churchill. You believe this has nothing to do with the Jews but everything with ”evil Europeans”. Which is absurd, factually incorrect, and incredibly prejudiced. Stop thinking the Jews are infallible, they are no different from other peoples when it comes to preventing ethnic tensions. Many of the hateful comments against Europewans here prove my point.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Eurotrash are fallible. See WW1, WW2, the adoption of Socialism and the rapid Islamization of Eurabia.

          • David Ashton

            The peoples attacked or occupied by “the Germans” were also “European”.

          • Joe The Gentile

            Yes. Let’s see if I can sneak this in here, since I can’t get it in at the top, it is being ‘moderated’ until it disappears. A government using terror can get members of ANY group to murder members of ANY other group. The Germans could have gotten Jews to kill Gentiles. Easy. We have proof because the Bolsheviks got Jews to kill Gentiles, during the purges. Yet we do not slander the Jews with ‘Jews murdered [X million] Russians’, and delight in their possible demise and destruction accordingly. That is, those of us who do have values against slandering the innocent.

          • David Ashton

            My replies have disappeared without trace, ESPECIALLY if they were politely patient, carefully documented and closely reasoned.

          • Mickey Oberman

            “It isn’t accurate to say ‘the Europeans’ murdered six million Jews.”
            It was not Asians.
            It was not Africans.
            It was not Australians.
            It was not South Americans.
            It was not North Americans.
            It was not Martians.
            Who is left?

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            You know a little nuance would help a great deal. It was not ALL Europeans, it was SOME Europeans. Do you think it’s OK to blame an entire race for the “faults” of some of its ancestors?

          • Mickey Oberman

            “Do you think it’s OK to blame an entire race for the “faults” of some of its ancestors?”

            That is what the Christian churches have been doing to Jews for two millennia and inventing the faults as well.

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            You are evading the question. Is such a thing OK or do you think that if some people blame entire groups, then you should do the same?

          • Mickey Oberman

            Dear N-Nordic-H,

            A very recent study shows that, other than Muslim countries, The Scandinavian/Nordic countries are the most antiSemitic in the world.

            So, N-Nordic-H, I throw your question back at you and I ask what is your interest?

          • Joe The Gentile

            Anything to evade the question.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Europeans committed the Holocaust – murdered 6 million European Jews simply because of their religion – AND murdered Gypsies, sick, “untermenchen”.

            Does that fact upset your notions of your virtue?

            Deal with history.

          • Joe The Gentile

            Go ahead, make my day, say ‘Christians’ rather than Europeans, of whom it is equally true and equally a slander. And similarly the Jews murdered Christ. Irresponsible slandering cuts both ways.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Europeans murdered Christ, ellow Europeans, Jews, Africans, Asians AND Americans.

            Truth ain’t slander.

          • Mickey Oberman

            Come on, DNH.
            Answer the question “….. what is your interest?”.

          • Martel

            Nearly all ”antisemitic” events in Scandinavian countries are caused by Muslim immigrants. Don’t believe every bogus study simply becauseit suits you.

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            You edited your comment to answer my question about whether it is OK to blame entire races for something that only a few did.

            I did not see a big “NO” there before. Nevertheless, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I have patience, and we will see to what this exchange leads.

            Asking what are my interests is a loaded question. I have seen those little games before.

            If I say I have no particular interests, you can say “see! see! she’s hiding something!” and if I say I have particular interests, you can say “see! see! she has an agenda!”

            I am not going to answer such dishonest questions. Ask an honest question, and you will get a response.

          • Mickey Oberman

            I did not say all Christians as you and your friends using the Islamic tactic of turning everything around and imputing statements to me that I never said, imply.
            Muslims are lousy at creating but masters at plagiarizing and revising which is exactly what the unholy triumvirate of David Ashton, Joe The Gentile and LovelyNordicHeidei are doing. They are playing that old Muslim game of deception, disinformation dissimulation and keeping one’s convictions and malevolent intentions a secret. The game is called Taqiyya – The role of deception in Islamic Terrorism.
            I have answered your questions. Now you answer mine or fold your tent and silently steal away.

          • Joe The Gentile

            Oh, reductio ad Muslim, because reductio ad Hitlerum is… yawn, SO yesterday!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            April 30, 1945.is yesterday.

          • Mickey Oberman

            Apply it to yourself.

          • Joe The Gentile

            I’m not likening anyone to Muslims. That’s what you’ve done. When you’ve got no argument, a hammer will do. I have no sympathy with Islamification of Europe. The concerns you have raised in this area are sound. What is odd is your accusing your argument opponents here of Islamic sympathies, which has no foundation.

          • David Ashton

            Are you nuts? I have no sympathy whatever with Islam or terrorists. I stand by what I have written about Muslims, Jews, Christians and Communists, but will retract anything that can be shown to be factually mistaken, irrational or malevolent. Leave “secret intentions” to the conspiracy maniacs.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Reptilian conspiracy maniacs.

            The UK is chock full of them.

          • David Ashton

            The tiny Isle of Wight has David Icke, but I have never met a compatriot who has even bothered to read his internet ravings. Is it possible on this blog-site to have a serious and accurate debate?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            What do you think you’ve been doing Sherlock?

          • David Ashton

            Mere abuse.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Socialism deserves abuse because it destroys civilizations.

          • David Ashton

            Why assume I am a socialist? I started as a schoolboy arguing with local Young Communists (all Jews, by the way, at the time) over Korea, eastern Europe, the Labour Party, labor camps &c and have continued this major interest all my adult life. I have written for anti-socialist journals from “East-West Digest” (which championed the “Prisoners of Zion”) and “The Salisbury Review” (ceasing to contribute to that conservative quarterly only after they mucked up an article I wrote on Ayn Rand).

            It was Lenin who advised personal defamation of opponents rather than reasoned argument, and you are in effect a “disciple” of that great comrade of Trotsky, Sverdlov, Kamenev, Zinoviev, Martov, Uritsky, Parvus, Bela Kun, and other civilization-destroying socialists.

            Having said that, I would add that I have enjoyed reading Jewish socialists like Moses Hess and Haim Arlosoroff (who recognized the important of nations and “race” in history) as well as anti-socialists of Jewish heritage like Bober, Dallin, Rothbard, &c.

          • Martel

            Jewish prejudice against Europeans caused ”antisemitism” before, keep it up.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            European hatred of Jews now has millions of Muslims flooding Eurabia – and your new masters are already making demands – and you comply – like a proper dhimmi.

          • David Ashton

            He isn’t a dhimmi if you read his posts here and elsewhere.

            But you are dim.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            European prejudice against other Europeans caused WW1, WW2.

            When does WW3 start? I think it’s already ON.

          • Martel

            That is the most simplistic analysis of the root causes of the first and second world war I have come across in my life^^

          • Mickey Oberman

            And who wrote your script, Hitler?

          • Martel

            No objective observer could ever say my statements about Jewish ethnocentrism, come even close to the immoral statements you made here about gentile Europeans. The fact that you may not even realize this, shows how such prejudices are considered normal within your community.

          • Mickey Oberman

            Poor, poor Martel.

            Sometimes the truth hurts doesn’t it.
            Not as much though as a rifle but to the face or tossing a baby in the air and catching it on your bayonet or the horrid strangulation of Zyklon gas.

            Poor Martel missed all the good stuff.

          • Joe The Gentile

            Obviously Mickey you realize Martel has defeated you in argument.

          • David Ashton

            I wonder whether Martel or I should even try to engage in rational argument with people who use this site merely for ridiculous personal abuse, raving nonsense or imputations of evil, like this one.

          • Mickey Oberman

            I assure you your absence would be heartily applauded.

          • David Ashton

            Glad to bring a little holiday in your hard heart, as Ben Hecht said of British soldiers murdered in Palestine.

            On the issue of “antisemitism”, there appear those who like to think this ancient and persistent phenomenon is simply the result of the universal and perpetual hatred of one morally and culturally superior people by numerous evil and culturally inferior peoples.

            I would say that after the Roman destruction of Jerusalem, it has arisen, primarily, because of friction between a people with a particular heritage, but without a normal national homeland, and other nations with different heritage and homelands, among whom they have had to live. Such friction unfortunately continues, and people of goodwill must try to resolve it in a generally acceptable manner, without violence in speech or action.

            Some of my temperate, reasoned and documented comments along these lines have been editorially excluded from discussion here, while varied abuse – itself hateful and intemperate – against me, and others, has been posted.

            Maybe I would be better advised to withdraw from this website, despite shared opposition to both Marxists and Muslims, and think of ways that reasonable Europeans can start an “Anti-Defamation League” of our own.

          • Joe The Gentile

            I have noticed some of my best responses being silently excluded here too, David. With no rejection email, and lost work.

          • Martel

            The truth surely does not hurt me, its you who comes across as upset and makes irrational statements such as the above. I have never said anything as remotely immoral as some of the statements here about Europeans. I can deconstruct the Jewish-European gentile relationship without building up hatred for the other party involved, for many Jewish readers of FPM this is clearly not the case. The tensions you express, even though you are unable to point out a single thing I say as immoral, show the true causes of conflict between Jews and gentiles. This is not the fault of anyone in particular, but it does show the current theories about ”antisemitism” are incorrect.

          • David Ashton

            Hitler’s script, babies on bayonets….? This is hysterical stuff not painful truth

          • Mickey Oberman

            You had better check factual history not your Pollyanna antiSemitic laundered versions of the heroic SS and its accomplices.

          • David Ashton

            My comment referred to the vilification of Martel, not to factual history. I have a pretty extensive library on Nazi war crimes, thank you.

          • Mickey Oberman

            You are right, Martel.
            We Jews should not harbour ill feelings toward Europeans.
            All they did was murder us.

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            I chuckled when I read this post. What? I am part of some kind of grand Muslim conspiracy? Why not part of a grand reptiloid conspiracy? A grand Muslim conspiracy seems the same as a grand reptiloid conspiracy to me. You know, it was the Muslims! It was the reptiloids! Ha!

            Muslim conspiracy theorists are not helping us. They are out of touch with reality. We need realists who are going to help to get the Muslims out of Europe. Grand Muslim conspiracy theories do not pass the conspiracy theory detectors of most people. What you are saying is just utter rubbish.

            Just a few weeks ago someone accused me of being part of a grand Jewspiracy, and you are saying that I am part of a grand Muspiracy. I think it’s time for the conspiracy theorists to go offline and learn how to be more rational. They are not helping the world. They are just suffering from a confirmation bias.

          • Mickey Oberman

            No grand Muslim conspiracy huh?
            Have you ever heard of a city called Malmo in that Nordic country Sweden?
            Do you know that the Nordic countries rate of rape of Nordic girls and crimes of all kinds has increased enormously with the increase of the Muslim populations in those countries? Do you know that the Scandinavian countries used to be ranked among the most progressive, democratic and happy countries in the world but are fast sliding toward the bottom of the scale of desirable places?

            No grand Muslim conspiracy huh?
            Take a good look at all those EU countries that have drastic increases in their Muslim populations. Some people including Muslims call it “the Secret War” or “The Silent War”. But war it is nevertheless.
            The EU is being infected by a rapidly spreading parasite that in some places is about to take over control.

            LNH, you should visit your tailor and have him measure you for a stylish burka or chador or nikab and just to be safe get a hijab.
            The good news is you wont have to renew your driver’s licence.
            Oh. and do practice saying “Allahu Akbar.”

            Go on LNH, chuckle.

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            Thank you for putting your ignorance on display.

            No, there is no such thing as a grand Muslim conspiracy.

            We are having a race problem.

            There is an increasing amount of ethnic conflict in Scandinavia because of immigrants.

            We need to start talking about race.

            It is not about religion. It is not about conspiracy. It is about race.

            Stop being being so afraid of calling a spade a spade.

            Start reading comments at AmRen. Go to amren DOT com.

            It will enlighten you.

            You want the Muslims gone?

            Start learning more about race.

          • Mickey Oberman

            Go ahead NLH keep up your game of see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.
            But just to be safe dye your blond locks black.

          • Mickey Oberman

            By the way NHL Islam is not a race.
            It is an evil cult with aspirations to conquer the world.
            And it is getting a pretty good start among the deaf, stupid and blind elite and their followers in the EU.

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            Those who adhere to Islam are not of our race. They belong to an alien race. Pretty obvious, isn’t it?

            Yes, Islam is a religion. But that’s not the main problem in Europe. We are having a race problem.

            Nevermind, I almost forgot I was speaking to a Muslim conspiracy theory believer. I doubt that I am reaching through to you.

            Just once more: it’s race, Mickey. Repeat after me, it’s a race problem. It’s not about religion. It’s about race.

          • Joe The Gentile

            LNH, suppose it’s a race problem. Does that stop it being a religion problem? Can a problem have two substantial causes?

          • Guest

            I do not deny that Islam plays a certain role in all this, but the race factor is much more important. People are hiding too much behind a religion problem, while they are, in fact, trying to speak about a race problem. I deny that Islam is the main cause of the problem. Religionists might like to make this all about religion, but this is all about race. We need to reconquer our territory from the invaders, no matter what their religion is.

          • Joe The Gentile

            My understanding is that to a large extent Bosnian, Albanian, Kosovan and Chechen Muslims are white. It is difficult to imagine that their racial closeness with those around them will save all from problems.

          • Guest

            I am familiar with the phenomenon of White muslims. Nevertheless, they are less of a problem than Brown muslims. As I said, I do not deny that Islam plays a certain role in all this, but the main problem right now is a race problem. The religion problem is subordinate to that. This does not mean that the threat of Islam should be ignored, but it means that there should be much more focus on the threat of invasion by non-Whites. Again, as I have said earlier, we need to reconquer our own territory from the invaders, no matter what their religion is. We can deal with the White muslims later.

          • David Ashton

            The white Muslim converts I have met in Britain are Jew-haters par excellence, especially devotees of al-Murabitun. It seems to me that “conspiracy theory” attracted them to Islam.

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            You mean conspiracy-theory-style anti-Semitism attracted them to Islam? I can confirm from personal experience that, for example, Turks are Jew-haters, and the above article confirms that Muslims are Jew-haters in general.

          • David Ashton

            At one school in Norwich there was a post available for a Religious Education assistant teacher. Two applicants were both well-educated, but the job went to the Muslim not the Christian. He was a “white” red-haired Muslim who had taken the name Ibrahim. One of the girls said me, “We live next door to Mr L—— and can see right into his bathroom. Do you know what he does in there every morning?” “No,” I said, dreading to imagine. “He curls his beard with henna in front of the mirror.” (Just like the Prophet, PBUH). We had lots of interesting chats about Wagner, Heidegger and coinage reform, and I visited his Mosque, a creepy experience.

            On day he brought a pamphlet (“in plain sealed wrapper”, his own words) which included an account of the fun to be had, after victory, when the “Yahudi” would be forced to engage in gladiatorial combats on TV for the amusement of the Umma! This was penned by the Scottish convert Sheik Abdalquadir as-Sufi (Ian Dallas for short) now active in South Africa. Our “liberal” Headmaster would have been quite surprised at the contents of his appointee’s reading matter, but I have kept the full story, along with other anecdotes, for my multicultural “education” memoirs.

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            Thank you again for expressing your firm adherence to the grand Muslim conspiracy.

            And also, thank you for trying to insult me for being a blondie.

            As I said, visit amren DOT com. You might change your mind.

            Still, I will let you have the last word, cute Mickey. So far this has been rather amusing.

          • Mickey Oberman

            You are very welcome, indeed.

            Now, at last, you are aware of the Muslim conspiracy.
            Me giving you advice for your survival you consider an insult? OK. Go ahead get yourself raped beaten and murdered if that is your choice.
            My last words “TTFN”.
            Your silence will be appreciated.

          • David Ashton

            There may well be a Muslim Jihad against us westerners but Heidi, Martel and I are hardly supporters of it.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            ‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do
            nothing’

            And good Europeans did nothing.

          • David Ashton

            America entered WW2 later than Britain and the USSR helped the Germans bomb my country until they were invaded by their previous allies. It takes a berk to quote Burke.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            America entered WW2 late due to isolationists and FAKE anti-war activists who wanted to give you national Socialists less opposition.

            But all that opposition ended 4 days after Pearl Harbor was attacked.

          • David Ashton

            “You national Socialists”. More abuse.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Abusing naz is?

            Call the ICC.

          • Von Stierlitz

            That’s the idea behind the European “values”.
            Too “nice” to be honest.
            Too “law-abiding” to be responsible.
            Too reliant on “welfare state” to protect welfare of anyone.
            Too “moral” to make rational ethical judgement.
            Too “open-minded” to admit there’s something wrong.

            Enthusiastically genociding each other for centuries in the name of some “Empire” and inbred monarchs, then collectivist idiocies of fascism, nazism, communism, then embracing degenerate postmodernist multiculti nihilistic lunacy in the name of “the common good” and in the end still blaming da joooz for everything.

          • Drakken

            Your Prussian name is rather ironic wouldn’t say? In all fairness, so is mine. Western Civilization for all its warts and self defeating stupidity has many more pluses than negatives and has brought everything the modern age enjoys today, and yes that includes the Jews in the plus column. Without any doubt, the European does have a very nasty propensity for war, and war is something we will all see again shortly.

          • Von Stierlitz

            Exactly. That’s why I still care and don’t simply give up on Europe. Civilization would be impossible without It.

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            You are being dishonest. For example, Germans tried to kill Hitler countless of times. You know that. You just seem to have an aching desire to blame all Europeans. Curious. I’ll let you have the last word.

          • Mickey Oberman

            Where did I say “ALL Europeans”?
            Why don’t you and yours stop inventing words that you insist I said but never uttered?

            That is so typical of antiSemites who insist on attributing evil to Jews – evil that could come only from the vile and lurid imagination of you Jew haters regardless of your race or religion.

            See my letter below.

          • Joe The Gentile

            It was not the Buddhists.
            It was not the Hindus.
            It was not the Shintoists.
            It was not the Taoists.
            Who is left?
            The Christians.
            So, the Christians murdered 6 million Jews.
            And the Jews murdered Jesus.
            The game of hate-driven slander cuts both ways.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The Romans, Europeans, murdered Jesus, a Jew, amongst other peoples – until the Roman Empire collapsed.

            Today Europeans are back at their age old game of hating Jews – SORRY Israel.

          • David Ashton

            Christianity as a religion prohibits murder.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            What alternate history are you proposing?

            National Socialism and its allies were Europeans – and they murdered 6 million Jews, among others, during the Holocaust and WW2.

            The exact number will never be known, the names of all the murdered will never be known.

            Today Europeans are back to their old habit of baiting Jews, Israel, and ignoring the latest threat to Western Civilization – Islamofascism.

          • Joe The Gentile

            I don’t dispute what you just said. I have no alternative history. What you just said had the necessary nuance to make it truthful, with more minor exceptions to the way you opened your last paragraph.

            BTW The British and Irish, Europeans both, did not participate in the Holocaust.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            “Europeans… did not participate in the Holocaust.”

            You are going to have to explain yourself to make yourself understood.

          • Joe The Gentile

            With all due respect S (I started calling you Screw but it seemed rude so I’ll go with S), you’ll have to first carefully read what I said, because you’re misquoting me.

          • David Ashton

            You seem to regard all Europeans as “trash”. We burn trash. Do you want me and my grandchildren burned alive or dead, along with millions of other Gentiles, even those of us who oppose Islamism?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You still burn trash?

            Don’t you know about air pollution?

            How backward your hamlet is.
            Do you still burn witches too?

          • David Ashton

            Your lofty sneers are typically misplaced. Trash in Europe is either sent to landfills here or China, or consumed by non-polluting incinerators that provide clean electricity. We do not need lectures on air pollution from either the USA or Israel.

            Modern witch-hunts across Europe are those directed against opponents of Islamic immigration on one hand and against WW2 revisionists on the other.

      • Mickey Oberman

        The Germans and Nazis received considerable assistance in murdering Jews from the natives of the lands they occupied.
        Austria, France, Hungary, Holland, Belgium, Romania, Poland, Ukraine and on and on. There was never a shortage of happy volunteers to murder the Jews in almost all European countries as well as in the Middle East.
        My apologies to those countries I omitted. I would not want you to feel any less the butchers than you were and probably still are.

        • Joe The Gentile

          That changes nothing Mickey. It was still only some Europeans who did this, just as it was still only some Whites and only some Christians who did it.

          • Mickey Oberman

            How many is “some”?

          • David Ashton

            How many Europeans thought that “6,000,000″ Jews were being “annihilated” between 1942 and 1945? How many European Jews themselves then thought that “most” of them were being gassed? Would it have seemed a practical proposition?

          • iluvisrael

            You are correct that there were some who helped and even risked their own lives to save Jews, but they were woefully outnumbered by those with much more sinister intentions.

          • Martel

            If you knew what Europeans, including Churchill believed at the time, you would understand why many Europeans did fear the divided loyalties of the Jewish community. Did you know why the Bolshevik revolution was considered a Jewish revolution and why most allied communist movements in Europe were also considered Jewish in nature?

            Have you ever considered the fears existing in Europe back then?

            The easier answer is that Europeans are simply an evil people, who brought misery everywhere they went, as us Europeans all learn we are from childhood onwards. Europeans are increasingly tired of ths false historical narrative

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Now socialist Eurotrash can enjoy the undivided loyalties of Millions of Muslims living in Eurabia, whose loyalty lies with their version of the koran and muhammed and the correct treatment of Eurotrash Infidels.

          • Bulan Sabriel

            The Judea-bolshevik slander is was and will always be a retarded lie. Communism is a death cult dedicated to the eradication of Judaism and Jewishness from the time of Marx onwards. Eastern European apostates to communism were under a Cherem. They were EXCOMMUNICATED and ritually OSTRACIZED. What should Rabbis have done, set up assassination squads to kill communists?

            Europeans blamed capitalism, communism, disease and famine on Jews all at the same time. This comes from ignorance and grievance. And it is the same ignorance and grievance than leads dumb Jews to be anti-nationalist.
            So we can either kill each other screaming “you’re evil” or we can grow up and save the West.
            Pick one.

          • Martel

            Its everything but a “retarded lie”, it can be easily verified by looking up the leadership of the Bolsheviks, and recognizing the high positions Jewish Russians enjoyed, and how they abused them. Is the Jewish-dominated government by Bela Kuhn also a “retarded lie”?

            Funny how your second paragraph generalizes all Europeans. Its extremely rare to fund the Europeans you describe.

            I do agree, we should grow up and save the West. I prefer to be allies with the Jewish people, but it requires them coming of their high horse and recognizing their own flaws contributed to conflicts as well, instead blaming every single conflict on the European gentiles and revising the true historical events which led up to these events. Herzl should become more appreciated amongst Jews for his analysis.

          • Bulan Sabriel

            It is a retarded lie. None of these “Jews” were Jewish. They were excommunicated APOSTATES facing ritual ostracism, who now belonged to an atheist cult dedicated to the destruction of Judaism and Jewishness.
            No one would call the USSR “Christian” because of Stalin or the fact that most communists were born Christian.
            The ethnicity argument fails for the same reasons. And you would never apply it to Christians, because you would would be laughing hysterically at anyone who said that all white people act in the interest of whites.
            So the argument is a retarded lie. I’m sorry if reality conflicts with your ideology.

            I hate communists of Jewish descent more than you do. My father’s family was killing communists in the Soviet Polish war. I’ve lost plenty of family in Gulags for being anti-communist.

            I oiwn the “Defending Western Civilization” group on G+. I even try to work with the “Nationalist” group, even if half of them are psychotic nazis.

          • Martel

            I appreciate your intensity and your willingness to work with anyone, I say this without sarcasm, we may have more in common then you think, but you are wrong about the reality of Jewish ethnic activism. Religion is of secondary value, as it always is, Jews at the time considered themselves a unique ethnic group, which later was verified by DNA analysis. As the Jews in question were ethnocentric and preferred cooperation with other Jews over other European ethnic groups, the Bela Kuhn government became fact. Stalin did turn partially against the Jews eventually, this is certainly true, though he also kept mock show trials against “antisemitism”at the same time to keep positive relations with the international Jewish community(successfully)

            Europeans(whites) are some of least ethnocentric people in the world, but the behaviour of the vast majority of whites is consistent with the theories I propose. The majority of whites prefer segregation, as do Asians, Hispanics and Blacks. There are many other indicators of an awareness of ethnic identity, but I will leave it at this.

            Do you believe tensions between blacks, whites, and Hispanics will one day cease to exist, if the current popular political ideologies would disappear?

            I do not, as I consider ideology of secondary importance.

            Let me be clear, as we do not know each other, I do not hate Jews, and I appreciate and promote the work of the likes of Pamela Geller, David Horowitz, Byron Roth, Mark Steyn, Ezra Levant, Mark Levin and many others. I have family members who were send to the camps under Nazi occupation for assisting Dutch jews, where my great uncle died.

            If you take a look at the top comments under this article, you will see what I do dislike, that is, prejudices against Europeans stemming from historical revisionism. I consider the claim that Europeans were immoral bigots for centuries, in nearly every European nation, without any contribution to these conflicts from the Jews incorrect, prejudiced and damaging to my cause. I do not promote hatred of Jews, instead, I promote the fallibility of all ethnic groups.

          • Martel

            My reply is under moderation but I believe you can click it open to read it, if not, please let me know.

          • Joe The Gentile

            So when a tiny fraction of ‘Europeans’ kill Jews under a terror regime, you get to say that ‘Europeans murdered 6 million Jews’ and there is no defamation; but when (an also tiny fraction of) Jews kill millions of Gentiles under a terror regime, you get to say that they were not real Jews. Convenient. It’s a way to set up one-way defamation flow.

            The truth is that terror regimes can always get members of any ethnic group to kill members of others. Such happenings should not be used as a basis for defamation.

          • Bulan Sabriel

            “So when a tiny fraction of ‘Europeans’ kill Jews under a terror regime, you get to say that ‘Europeans murdered 6 million Jews’ and there is no defamation; but when (an also tiny fraction of) Jews kill millions of Gentiles under a terror regime, you get to say that they were not real Jews. Convenient. It’s a way to set up one-way defamation flow.”
            The Nazi regime in Germany was democratically elected (actually ran a majority coalition until the Enabling Act ended any pretense of democracy). It acted explicitly for the Germanic peoples and proclaimed itself the protector of Europe against the Anglo-Americans and Soviets. In every nation they occupied except Finland Denmark and Bulgaria, collaborators willingly volunteered to help exterminate Jews and tried. Aside from the poll, the election of Jobbik, New Dawn,the Party of Swedes, and the German Democratic Party (actual German Neonazis) is a reminder that this ideology is not dead and the murder of Jews is celebrated, when it is not called a lie by these untermensch.

            On the other hand, from Marx onward, communists were dedicated to eradicating Judaism and Jewsness. The communists never acted for Jews. True, they occasionally used antisemitism as an excuse to attack their enemies. But the communists were no less anti-Jewish. Practicing Judaism was a crime in communist regimes. The Soviet “Jewish Section” was created to destroy Judaism and Sovietize Jewish culture. Thousands of Jews died in Gulags and had Stalin liveda few more months, hundreds of thousands of Jews would have died in a death march through Siberia. Pogroms occured in every communist country and the SOviet Union twice helped the Arabs in their campaign to slaughter the Jews in Israel. In 1973, they even threatened nuclear war and invasion to do so.
            To blame Jews for the actions of the Soviets is not just wrong, it’s obscene.

          • Joe The Gentile

            Looks like we agree on some things: ‘To blame the actions of the Soviets on the Jews is obscene’. Agreed. As an equal-opportunity anti-defamationist I also observe blaming the Holocaust on the ‘Europeans’ is also obscene, and Jews taking delight in the destruction of Gentile Europeans is deeply hateful and powerful fuel for antisemitism.

            Whatever shoe you impose, prepare for it to be worn on the other foot.

            You are right–the ‘democracy’ in which Hitler was elected dictator was a ‘pretense’ as you say. Even before his dictatorship the machinery of fascism was well in place with widespread political attacks, intimidation, disruption of meetings, and a number of political murders.

          • Joe The Gentile

            You did an impressive bait and switch there! Basically you said many Europeans acted gladly for the Nazis; but ‘on the other hand’ the Bolsheviks did NOT act for the Jews! What kind of fool do you take me for! :)

          • Bulan Sabriel

            Bolsheviks banned Judaism. The Nazis were aided by plenty of derainged or misguided nationalists from different European countries. Nazis claimed to be working for Europe, Of course they were not, but even today, people believe this reprehensible lie.

          • Joe The Gentile

            Yes it’s best when hate is called out in ones own camp. I regularly call out anti semitic hate. There is a question of whether you can even SEE antigentile hate. Can you see it? Have you ever seen it? How would it express itself in principle if it existed? Do you ever call it out? Or do you even defend it when it comes out?

          • Mickey Oberman

            Methink, sir, thou doth protest too much.
            There were “some” Europeans that had the courage to try to rescue “some” Jews.
            Most were silent. Most said nothing,
            Most European Jews were annihilated.
            6,000,000 are not “some”.

          • Joe The Gentile

            P.S. It is true that Na_zi occupiers in their terror-regime in Europe had no problem getting Gentiles to kill Jews in European countries; SIMILARLY, the Bol_sheviks in their terror regime had no problem getting Jews to kill many. many Gentiles. Terror-regimes have no problem getting members of ANY group to kill members of ANY other.

            Neither of these facts are a moral basis for slandering either Jews or Gentiles, or for wishing for their destruction which is antisemitic/antigentile hatred. ‘Europeans killed 6 million Jews, let them now suffer’ is an evil, hateful slander of innocents as is ‘Jews killed X-million Russians let them now suffer’.

          • Bulan Sabriel

            Bolsheviks didn’t get Jews to kill. They were atheist communists belonging to an anti-semitic death cult. It’s like saying that a former monk, Stalin, got Christians to annihilate Christianity in parts of Europe.
            PS. Stalin wanted to send Jews on a death march to Siberia. Goo look up “The Doctors Plot” the KGB JEwish section, communist antisemitism, communist pgroms, and the effort of communists to destroy Israel.
            Then get back to me and apologize like an adult.

          • Joe The Gentile

            Yeah I get it, when some Jews kill Gentiles they are not real Jews and it is defamation to report on their Jewishness, but when some Gentiles kill Jews, slander the entire Gentile group and savour the thought of that Gentile groups destruction. No double standards there.

          • David Ashton

            Andre Gerrits, “The Myth of Jewish Communism” (EUP 2009) can be recommended to all persons of goodwill for its detailed documentation and balanced analysis.

          • Bulan Sabriel

            It’s not like this article is about a study showing widespread antisemitism in Europe or anything.

        • David Ashton

          Count me out as a “butcher”. Your view of all of us white Gentiles seems as un/reasonable as the Palestinian view of Zionists worldwide.

          • Mickey Oberman

            Nowhere did I say “all white gentiles”. Those are your words.
            Try reading the letter again without imagining words between the lines that do not exist.
            But there were plenty of collaborators in the occupied countries. More than enough willing volunteers and that you can not deny.

          • Drakken

            White Europe are gentiles, idiot leftist.

          • David Ashton

            Pleased to accept your clarification and apologize for what I incorrectly assumed was an endorsement of a previous generalized attack on Europeans. There were also resistance movements. What remains to be fully explained is why there was such a voluntary collaboration with the Nazis and what made their propaganda so plausible.

          • Joe The Gentile

            Has anyone ever said ‘ALL Jews killed Jesus’, and is it OK if they don’t say ALL? Focus on the issue of slander here.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            All Jew Haters kill Jesus, Mary, Joseph.

          • David Ashton

            What do you think of the Gospel of John, then, and the references to Jesus and his mother in the Talmud and Toldedot Yeshu? I make this point only to illustrate the complexity of these matters, as I am neither Christian nor (as some may have guessed) Jewish myself. I think it’s time to bury the hatchet, and not in each other’s neck.

          • Savingstone

            I think he’s just generalizing based on history. There was in fact a frightening level of organized assistance and cooperation with the SS to round up Jews, shoot them and throw their bodies into mass graves, in many of the countries listed above. This well documented, and there are even several well received military history documentaries that are widely available that can give you complete details. Several of these local high-level SS colluders fled to the UK to avoid prosecution.

          • David Ashton

            I already have a very extensive, continually updated library on German policy in WW2 and do not deny established facts to which you refer, while remaining curious about the motives of various collaborators. Denmark and Bulgaria have different stories from Latvia and Ukraine. Revenge for communist crimes may have played a part.

          • Savingstone

            yes, this was certainly much of the sentiment….but obviously an overwhelming majority of the victims were completely innocent and largely poor peasants and their families…most of the “guilty” Jewish communists were already killed by Stalin in the infamous purge, and many wealthy Jews were able to escape Europe, leaving mainly the lower class behind to “pay” for crimes they never committed…

          • David Ashton

            Apart from the (understandable) partisan atrocities, this is about right. We need to temper Mazower, Bartov &c with a look at Hoffmann, Mosier &c.

          • herb benty

            Many Euros helped Hitler. ALL, of course not, many whites helped the Jews. Muslims hate ALL the Jews(irrationally), men, women and children. Satan hates all Jews and Christians as does Islam, so you can see who is behind Islam. Wake up, pinko.

          • David Ashton

            Anyone who knows me or my writings would laugh at your description of me as a dozy “pinko”.

            I was consistently arguing against communism and what is known today as liberalism, from schooldays and through my work with the Foreign Affairs Research Institute, including for example the organisation of a Commemoration of the Victims of Communism in the Albert Hall, to my current opposition to the leftist curriculum and “multifaith” racket in schools and universities, long before Mr Horowitz himself switched allegiance from Moscow to Jerusalem, so to speak.

            I leave your religious beliefs without comment.

          • herb benty

            Your background probably hinders you. You seem to downplay the Holocaust, and why in God’s name Europe treats the Jewish people the way they do NOW. You deftly sidestep the “religious” part of this. This whole thing is a spiritual sickness. the Nazi’s and Communists made the State a god, the Muslims persecute the Jews out of religious ferver. That is one of the sad elements of Leftism, you deny a Good, Holy and Loving God, and end up supporting Darkness. Anyway, Mr. Horowitz saw the Light, and again, leftists mock him for it.

          • David Ashton

            I agree with what you say about the Nazi and Communist state. The Papacy made the same point. I don’t wish to “downplay” mass-murder of Jews by Nazis or anyone else. You may be right about the “transcendental” issues raised, and maybe agree with some rabbis that too many Jews today have replaced the Deity by the Holocaust as a unifying and even sacral focus. Zionism may have a geographical basis in the Tanach, but many who regard themselves as Jewish in Israel and the Diaspora are not religious. The Holocaust has in some respects been overplayed with unintended negative consequences. Also, other 20th-21st century democides, with more Gentile than Jewish victims, should not be overlooked; see e.g. Steven Rosefielde, “Red Holocaust” (Routledge, 2010).

          • herb benty

            Jews do not deserve what is happening to them in Europe, or in Israel. Good day.

          • David Ashton

            I agree. Mazel Tov.

          • stewball

            Why mazal tov?
            Unless you were speaking Yiddish of course.

          • David Ashton

            Hello, Stewball!

          • stewball

            Hi David. How are you?
            I’ve been thinking for some time now that it’s time for Jews to leave homelands and to come home. I wonder what that would do to the economy if they all upped and left. What do you think David.
            Re the Bahais. There is a community of them in Haifa. They have a beautiful ‘mosque’ and a garden to rival Kew Gardens so they can come here as well. ;-)

            To leave ‘their’ homelands…… and
            What would happen to the ‘economy’ if they all……..

            Sorry. Typos and a stupid phone.

          • David Ashton

            Thank you for inquiry about my health. I cope. I have said that I do not mind where Jews wish to live, in Israel or anywhere else. Kind regards to you.

          • Bulan Sabriel

            Mazal Tov is Hebrew

          • stewball

            Right. I mixed myself up.
            Mazal tov Hebrew.
            Mazel tov Yiddish.

          • Joe The Gentile

            I agree. And Europeans do not deserve to be Jihad victims.

          • herb benty

            And I agree with you.

        • Joe The Gentile

          So lots of Europeans killed lots of Jews under the Nazi Holocaust machine? I don’t expect Jews to take that lightly, but I do expect you to stop blindly blaming and hating ‘Europeans’ for this, and delighting in their possible destruction. Once you have a government with a strong element of terror, such as Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia and others, there is no problem killing people and no problem getting people to do it. Isn’t this true?

          There was indeed no problem for the Nazis to get people to kill the Jews in all the countries it occupied. But in other circumstances, there was no problem getting Jews to do the killing either, was there? Is it not true that there was plenty of participation by Jews in the Soviet killing machine?

          I do not hold it against the Jews that there was no difficulty getting Jews to murder people in Russia. Nor do I slander them about it. So I don’t say things like ‘Jews killed thousands of Russians during the Purges’. I recognize that as slander. It is slander even though the words are in a sense true.

          • Bulan Sabriel

            “I do not hold it against the Jews that there was no difficulty
            getting Jews to murder people in Russia. Nor do I slander them about it.
            So I don’t say things like ‘Jews killed thousands of Russians during the Purges’. I recognize that as slander. It is slander even though the words are in a sense true.”

            No Jews were involved in this. Apostates to an antisemeitic death cult were all to happy to murder Christians and Jews.

            Grievance rots the mind and soul. If you think that Bolsheviks were Jews, then the USSR was a Christianist State under the former monk, Stalin. Logic fail.

            If you think that blood is what matters, then all white are white nationalists like you. Or you’re a hypocrite.

          • Joe The Gentile

            The claim that these Jews who murdered the Gentiles were not Jews is a hollow escape. They may not have been good Jews; they may not have been very religious Jews; but they were Jews nonetheless and as much Jews as those who murdered the Jews in the Holocaust were ‘Europeans’.

            I *dont* think blood is what matters; I don’t believe in *attainder* or *corruption of blood* whether against Jews or Gentiles. I’m an equal-opportunity anti-defamationist.

            A huge part of the problem here is a kind of political autism; some people genuinely CAN’T SEE that they are defaming Gentiles and speaking hatefully of them. Hateful behavior towards Gentiles might not even be a valid category of behavior for some of them.

          • Joe The Gentile

            >> No Jews were involved in this.

            What a lovely group privilege you have. When some members of another group behaves badly, you get to defame the entire other group. When some members of your own group behaves badly, you get to declare them as excluded from your group. It can’t be beaten as a formula for feeling maximal group righteousness; as a formula for good inter-group relations it is a disaster. It’s weakness is that the other groups are not fooled by it.

            >> If you think that Bolsheviks were Jews
            Straw man. I only believe that a significant proportion of them were. You on the other hand believe that the significant proportion of Bolsheviks who were Jews, were not Jews.
            Me a ‘white nationalist’??? Well, in your defense, you are losing the argument so you need a general-purpose hammer.

          • Bulan Sabriel

            I’m wasting my time. But you are being hypocritical. You would never claim that Russian Bolsheviks birn Orthodox would be acting in the interest of whites or Christian Orthodox. Yet you hold that being Jewsih is an immutable regardless or ideology, goals, action, or open apostasy and persecution of Jews.

          • Joe The Gentile

            No I don’t. I’m opposed to these ‘immutables’ and monolithic treatment of peoples and the blaming of a group for the actions of some of its ancestors. Where I differ from you is that sometimes, Gentiles get the benefit of these ethics. My observation of you and other Jews here is that you don’t give Gentiles that benefit.

            There is a deafening silence on my question, if we can blame ‘Europeans’ for the holocaust, then why not Christians? It’s equally true; it’s equally a slander. Maybe fairness doesn’t matter; maybe it’s just political; blaming Christians aloud is perceived to be more dangerous to Jewish interests than blaming ‘Europeans’ and delighting in their destruction.

          • David Ashton

            There are also Jews who regard as Jews males born of a Jewish mother and ritually circumcised, even of not observant. This would apply to many citizens of Israel.

      • herb benty

        The Jews in Europe were good, law abiding people and innocent. Jesus Christ, God’s Son. came to earth to GIVE His life and “purchase” those who love HIM. Jesus was innocent also, so ina way they both DO have that in common. Many European citizens assisted the Nazis.

        • David Ashton

          Observant Jews, like all Muslims, reject as abhorrent your statement that God had a son, while some other Jews have written books arguing that Jesus was a magician, a socialist, a mere rabbi with unusual views, or even a virtually mythical figure, &c. Many of their various studies are nevertheless interesting, from Geza Vermes and (my all-time favorite) Joseph Klausner, to Hyam Maccoby and James Tabor, and always worth a look.

          • herb benty

            God said He would scatter the Jews all over the world and in the latter days would gather them back to their own land of Israel. God has done this. The Covenant God has with Israel is eternal and according to the New Testament book of Romans, the blindness of the Jewish people about Jesus Christ is partly from GOD. The Gospel was to be preached throughout the whole world by Christians, which is now being completed. Many Jews have accepted Jesus Christ as Messiah- Messianic Jews have now been fully included into Israel society, Military etc. for the first time. When Messiah comes, “Israel will be saved in one day”. God has a purpose for both Jews and Christians, hence, our “Judeo-Christian Faith”. I know there are many doubters, one of my favorites is Voltaire who famously declared, “in one hundred years there will be no Bible or Christianity”, and one hundred years after his death his house was home to the World Bible Society. All of man’s vain machinations are foolishness to God and me.

      • Bulan Sabriel

        Yes, it is. Romans killed Jesus as they did dozens of other messianic claimants. That Christianity was later appropriated as the state cult of Rome does not change this.
        Tu quoque is a fallacy, not a proper argument, and in this case your example of “you also” is false.
        No be an adult and apologize. And then sign in so we can see your history. Because given your screen name, I have reason to believe that you have long standing antipathy towards Jews.
        I am not asking you not to use pseudonym. I’m suggesting that you not be a troll.

        • Joe The Gentile

          According to the Gospel narratives, both of these are correct: (i) Romans murdered Jesus (ii) leading Jews of Jerusalem murdered Jesus.

          Tu quoque is a fallacy but I have not used it. My thesis here is that ‘The Europeans murdered 6 million Jews’ is a slander, as is ‘The Jews murdered Jesus’. It would be ‘tu quoque’ if I responded to ‘The Europeans murdered 6 million Jews’ with ‘But the Jews murdered Jesus’. That is not what is happening. You may not have read my posts closely enough.

          Further down in this very page, I have previously defended Israel and the Jewish people against a slander. You will see it with the words ‘So what, MrDivideUs0? A few youths with strong antichristian feelings and a judge strong on free speech? You’ll have to work harder than than that to divide the Jews and Gentiles of FrontpageMag commenters.’ This was in response to an attempt of a poster to stir up anti-Israel feeling because an Israeli judge did not over-react to an anti-Christian youth in Israel.

          This is typical of me. I’m an anti-defamation kind of guy. I will object to slander of both Jews and Gentiles, call out hateful behavior regardless of which side is doing it.

          The truth is that I haven’t seen THAT MUCH hateful behavior by Jews towards Gentiles in general on Frontpagemag, but it does seem to come out every now and then against European Gentiles in particular. So I haven’t been calling it out much. My posts are consistently anti-Jihad, anti-communist, pro-free-speech, pro-American, pro-Israel, Euroskeptic, humane, pro-Jew, and pro-Gentile, and pro-Jew-Gentile alliance.

          I have no antisemitic feelings and no antisemitic posts, but I understand that being anti-hate, anti-defamation, and anti-anti-Gentile can seem antisemitic to those who are antigentile. Also, some of my posts in isolation, out of the context of the discussion they are in, could also seem antisemitic; especially when nuances are lost, such as when you say ‘it is a slander to say the Jews murdered Jesus’ and all that is heard is ‘the Jews murdered Jesus’.

    • David Ashton

      Most Europeans were responsible neither for the murder of Jews nor the immigration of Muslims. Do these 80 up-votes suggest that this mistaken Schadenfreude is generally shared by conservative American Jews? If so, I find this sarcasm worrying and even more so if it has a political reaction.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Fascist Europeans of the 1930′s and 1940′s were responsible for WW2 and the Holocaust.

        There were fascists in the UK who sided with hitler.

        Thank G-d for Winston Churchill.

        • David Ashton

          One among us was OK then.

          A “righteous Gentile”, but for a balanced view read his Jewish biographer Martin Gilbert on “Churchill and the Jews” (re Jewish communism) and “Churchill and America” (re Baruch and Strakosch).

      • Joe The Gentile

        Yes David. And antigentilism, which is very real–and evident here– cannot but fuel antisemitism.

        It is left to those of us who are less hateful to forge allegiances and keep these evils at bay.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Antisemitism fuels self destruction of Europe and places like Syria..

          See WW2 and read the daily papers.

    • Martel

      As David said, its quite disturbing to see how many FPM readers, largely Jewish Americans, support your statement, but it does confirm why it is so important to discuss the incorrect historical narrative about the sources of “antisemitism” and introducing a more balanced view of history. supported by historical facts.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        It’s quite disturbing to see how many Eurotrash are upset that the Israelis are not the unarmed Jews of WW2 naz i filth infested Europe.

        • tickletik

          What they think is irrelevant to what we must do. We have a divine job to take care of, and that is to build our homeland. Let the rest sort themselves out.

          Those who treat us with friendship, we treat as friends. Those who are ambivalent, we treat the same, and those who are enemies we keep a close eye on.

          Simple common sense.

          • Joe The Gentile

            Hi tickletik, that’s a great philosophy. If my British, European, Jew-friendly cousins see some Jews here saying ‘Europeans murdered 6 million Jews’, and delighting in the prospect of the destruction of Europe by Muslims, do you think they should feel that they are being treated as friends by these Jews? Or are they being slandered and hated?

            Do you think this will increase or decrease the sympathy of my British cousins for Israel, or the plight of Jews in Europe?

          • David Ashton

            Good question.

            The British “anti-Semite” A. K. [not G.K.] Chesterton once said that he had met more mad people among Jew-haters than any other group. Reading some of the bigoted abuse on this site one can see literary proof of Newton’s Third Law.

          • tickletik

            You think this situation makes us happy???

          • Joe The Gentile

            No I don’t at all think this situation makes you happy. My friend, can you answer the question given?

            Is my impression that many Jews here are expressing hatred for ‘Europeans’ and delighting in the prospect of their destruction a false one? Isn’t this opportunity to tackle hatred between Jews and Gentiles in an effective way?

          • tickletik

            Of course it’s false! What kind of a sick idea is that? You are confusing anger, frustration, and bitterness with hatred, fear and envy.

            I won’t lie to you, I’m very pissed off at the Europeans in general. They shoved Oslo down our throats and were meddling tirelessly before that to put one such plan after another into action. There is definitely a sense of just deserts seeing them have to live with the same disaster they shoved onto us.

            But it doesn’t delight me. What would delight me is seeing them wake up and stop being such arrogant prideful assholes. As I see it, they have exactly one possible way out of this disaster. They have to back Israel up to the hilt. Make it clear that whatever Israel wants to do with it’s Muslim population, they will not just support, they will emulate.

          • Joe The Gentile

            tikletik, I have to disagree with you. There are in fact Jews here who are visibly delighting in the prospect of the destruction of Europe. This may not be you, but it is happening for sure. Better to acknowledge it, and speak against it, as I am doing. There is definitely a blind spot in operation here.

            I am not sure what the difference is between being on the RECEIVING end of anger, frustration and bitterness, and being on the receiving end of hatred. The difference on the SENDING end may well be only one of self-image.

            >> What would delight me is seeing them wake up and stop being such arrogant prideful assholes.

            That would delight me too. But the ordinary people of Europe are not so crazy and arrogant as their elites.

            >> As I see it, they have exactly one possible way out of this disaster. They have to back Israel up to the hilt.

            That may well happen in time. But it definitely won’t happen overnight and things will for certain get worse before they get better. Europe may become Judenrein. I certainly don’t blame Jews for leaving.

            I am glad that you recognize as I do the importance of Jew-Gentile alliance. It will be a *disaster* for Israel if Europe falls in the Third Jihad, and a *disaster* for Europe if Israel falls.

            We Kaffirs have to work together. We may not always see perfectly eye-to-eye, but we have to work together.

          • Debbie G

            Be careful what you wish for. Germany is leading the European pack financially and militarily. I don’t trust Germany, nope, not one bit.

          • David Ashton

            That chimes in with my view of my English homeland, its friends and its enemies, except that we are being pushed out of our towns by Muslims not the other way round.

          • tickletik

            Then start pushing back. It’s your home. Where are you supposed to move to if you get pushed out? Saudi Arabia?

          • David Ashton

            We certainly don’t want a two-state or multi-state “solution”. We were here long before 1947. Thank you for your interest, but as my reasonable comments have been removed, while silly personal abuse of me as a “pinko” or “nazi” or “euro trash” has remained, I have given up on further replies on this site.

    • Joe The Gentile

      I approached FrontpageMag hoping to find common cause with conservative Jews in the opposition to the destruction of Western Culture, and the support of the US and Israel and allegiance between the Gentile West and Israel. I had given up on Liberal Jews, because like their liberal Gentile counterparts, they do not tend to correctly perceive what is good and what is bad.

      The fact that this post by ‘Lawrence’, trashing and slandering the Gentile Europeans and delighting in their possible destruction, upvoted currently to 87 votes and growing, upvoted by almost certainly an overwhelming majority conservative-Jew set of viewers, and challenged by almost none, if not even exactly none, is VERY DISTURBING INDEED. It leads me to suspect that antigentile hatred is a very vicious force indeed among conservative Jewry.

      I am growing disillusioned. I had hoped for an alliance between Jews and Gentiles in opposition the Third Jihad. I had hoped for an eventual decline in antisemitism, and eventually increased support for Israel in Europe. But this possibility is likely to be marred by excessive and unchecked hatred among Jews, as well as Gentiles. This site in these postings right here is now propagating and multiplying that hatred. Antisemites are not stupid, they can see what is going on here at this site. It adds fuel to their own hatred and the PROOF they need. This is not my first encounter with this vista on this site; it often seemed that many posters here are delighting in the possibility that Europe will be ravaged by Muslims in the future.

      • David Ashton

        Speaking for myself I share many of your concerns. Decent and forward-looking Jews and Gentiles need to co-operate in defense of western civilization and the peoples who helped to create and sustain it.

        • Habbgun

          You are a disingenuous fraud. This is my last comment because you
          refuse to get it. You absolutely totally refuse. You are more Martel
          than it is intelligent to be.

          No one ever wants an alliance and
          then asks their “allies” to admit to crime after crime. That is a form
          of dhimmitude. Of course that is what you really want. You want an
          alliance of convenience while you keep your own mental version of your
          social status. Guess what!!!You get to keep your status. No run
          to your own misunderstood European culture for help. Run to your poor
          misunderstood fellow Europeans for salvation. Good luck! You have ruined
          an opportunity. You have gained nothing and lost nothing. Consider it
          even

          • David Ashton

            This is just a crazy rant.

          • David Ashton

            You have no evidence here or anywhere else to justify your description of me as “disingenuous” or a “fraud”,

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Eurabia is already lost – socialist estrogen poisoning

        • Joe The Gentile

          Well S, there could be something to what you say, but I hope there is some life in Eurab… I mean Europe yet….

      • Martel

        Cheradine, who runs islamversuseurope had the same epiphany this past year. Even my opponents are surely impressed with my level of knowledge about the jewish-gentile conflict given that most resort to insulting remarks about Europeans, but my own epiphany was only about 1,5 years ago. I wish to cooperate with Jews, but the prejudices they hold against Europeans are incredible. Many here seem to support the entire politically correct narrative as Europeans as a single source of ”evil”, little different from the likes of Tim Wise.

        Though I’m aware that ethnic tensions will likely remain between Jews and European gentiles, requiring but a few conditions I will keep extending my hand to potential Jewish allies. But indeed, it is quite shocking to see how many here think, but expected when you understand that this has never been different throughout the history of the Jews in Europe once you study these issues more critically. Keep in mind the leftists never wanted such studies for their own purposes, it would upset their fight against ”European racism” and their utopian ideals.. Ethnic and religious identity are the basis for fears and prejudices which always cause ethnic tensions when two or more groups share the same (political) territory. I only believe this will change once Jews fear the growth of the Muslim population to the degree they are willing to spend time and effort reevaluating their prejudiced views of Europeans. Those who study ethnic conflict understand why only such a catalyst would make change possible.

        • Habbgun

          You are a disingenuous fraud. This is my last comment because you refuse to get it. You absolutely totally refuse. You are more Martel than it is intelligent to be.

          No one ever wants an alliance and then asks their “allies” to admit to crime after crime. That is a form of dhimmitude. Of course that is what you really want. You want an alliance of convenience while you keep your own mental version of your social status. Guess what!!!

          You get to keep your status. No run to your own misunderstood European culture for help. Run to your poor misunderstood fellow Europeans for salvation. Good luck! You have ruined an opportunity. You have gained nothing and lost nothing. Consider it even.

          • Martel

            You do get quite emotional when discussing this subject, showing you are currently not able to look at it objectively. Which I understand as on FPM some of the most popular comments are those which actually take joy in the demise of Europe and the European people. Such radical and bitter views tend to thrive in isolated purlieus, while I provide a fresh perspective.

            “No one ever wants an alliance and then asks their “allies” to admit to crime after crime.”

            What does this even mean?
            I want Jews to reconsider the current historical narrative which is obviously false, this is a reasonable and simple request. Instead of portraying Europeans like an inherently immoral people, who for no reason at all “bullied” the morally flawless Jews time and time again. this is contradicted by the historical record.

          • Joe The Gentile

            Habbgun said: “No one ever wants an alliance and then asks their “allies” to admit to crime after crime.”

            Well, that also cuts both ways. American Jews can’t expect allegiance and support from Europeans towards Israel if American Jews are openly slandering Europeans for crimes they have not committed.

          • Bulan Sabriel

            Conservative Jews are responsible for libtard Jews, many of whom are anti-Zionist. But Europeans bear no responsibility for ongoing antisemitism and violence, less than 70 years after an attempted genocide?
            Stop playing the victim card.

          • Joe The Gentile

            Conservative Jews are responsible for libtard Jews???? Where on earth are you getting that from????

          • David Ashton

            This sort of suspicious stiff-necked response is worrying precisely because it reflects much “opinion” let loose on this site against Gentiles with good intentions and reasonable arguments. Fortunately I have met more reasonable Jewish folk in personal life and in academia.

        • Mickey Oberman

          ‘ I wish to cooperate with Jews, but the prejudices they hold against Europeans are incredible.’
          I can’t imagine why.
          After 2000 years of oppression, ridicule, hatred, discrimination and murder why should we feel anything but love for the perpetrators?

      • Joe The Gentile

        Now I’m being censored on FrontpageMag. I have a number of replies above which are being eternally ‘moderated’ by frontpagemag and then disappear.

        • David Ashton

          Ditto. It always seems the best documented, most polite and yet most unanswerable replies that disappear without trace. They may probably remain on the Disqus archive.

          • Joe The Gentile

            Same here David. I had a good answer further up to the fact that the Nazi occupiers in their terror-regime had no problem getting Gentiles to kill Jews in European countries; SIMILARLY, the Bolsheviks in their terror regime had no problem getting Jews to kill many. many Gentiles. This is the most unanswerable argument, and it’s being marginalized. The slander must not be exposed! Antigentile hate must go on!

      • Bulan Sabriel

        I can’t speak for Lawrence. But noting that after the attempted genocide of Jews, Europeans on the right and left instituted the nation-destroying Eurabia project (European Union, importation of Muslims, getting closer to the Muslim world to balance America) is in no way ant-gentile. The Eurabia project is anti-Christian, anti-European. It is an act of civilizational TREASON.

        There are plenty of Jews who oppose this. Your desire to take a comment and create a context out of your own prejudice, speaks to your bigotry, not that of conservative Jews.

        • Joe The Gentile

          You are correct in your analysis, but not of me. There are defamatory ways to say true things and nondefamatory ways to say them; hateful and not hateful.Taking delight in people’s destruction is one of the cues that something is hateful. I would consider the following hateful, though it is correct: ‘J3ws murdered X million Soviet Gentiles in the purges. Let’s see how that works out for them now. :)’.

      • Jsjk

        It seems to me that you are diverting your attention (focusing) on the wrong target. Conservative Jews are not the ones who are driving up Muslim immigration into Europe (or Britain). Rather it is the political parties at the EU and the European Leftist political bleeding hearts which adore the religion of Islam. And, meanwhile, who in Europe is the most threatened, beat up, and attacked — even murdered? It’s Jews. Also, bottom line — you live in a democracy and the people whom you put into power — your political leaders are obviously who the majority WANTS. So, if your fellow countrymen cannot figure it out, and keep complaining about displacement, and being replaced by religious fanatics or those incapable or unwilling to adopt Western norms — while electing Leftists — please, don’t blame it on Jews, Ok?

        • Joe The Gentile

          I’m an American. But I have British cousins both literal and metaphorical. They, among many millions of innocent Gentile Europeans are being slandered here by Jews who are also taking delight in the prospect of their destruction. I understand you wish to divert the subject, but that is what this subthread is about. One more little observation– you disparage the Europeans based on their stupid majority. That can cut both ways too–Jews can be easily disparaged on the basis of their majority, which is leftist/libtard, isn’t it?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Socialist Eurabia is failing – and serves as a warning for the US, Canada, Australia.

      • Mickey Oberman

        Here you go again putting your words in other peoples mouths.
        Lawrence did not use the word ‘gentiles’. You did. Once again ‘antigentile’.

        More of your words ‘posters here are delighting in the possibility that Europe will be ravaged by Muslims in the future.’.

        And more of your warped, convoluted thinking.

        • Joe The Gentile

          I am not ‘putting words in his mouth’, rather putting what he said in different words. There is no sensible case that when he says ‘Europeans murdered 6 million Jews’ that he means anything but Gentile Europeans. Perhaps you are applying a strategy of attrition, trying to consume my energy replying to stupid points?

          It’s obvious that posters here are delighting in the destruction of Europe. One is explicit about it, referring to it as ‘justice’. The side of Martel, David Ashton and me is the side whose thinking is NOT warped on this issue. For the rest of you, something is so close to you that you can’t see it.

          • Mickey Oberman

            “I am not ‘putting words in his mouth’, rather putting what he said in different words. ”

            I see, Joe.
            My English is not adequate so you are going to be my interpreter. I should be flattered.

            Interpret this. “You, sir, are so full of it that your hutzpah is inconceivable. However, some day soon your flattering flatulence might explode and show what a hot air balloon you really are.”

    • stewball

      I wonder what the percentage would be if the same poll was carried outrregarding Muslims. Countries would be too nscaref to do that
      Islam has a hard hold on Europe

    • Mickey Oberman

      They are getting what they deserve.
      May they enjoy being dhimmis.

  • herb benty

    European Jews! Please move to Israel or Western Canada. As the ridiculous EU fails under mass Muslim immigration, you, the Jews, will be the scapegoat…again. Leftist and Muslim morons will never admit they are wrong about anything.

    • nancinger

      There is prophecy in the New Testament that there will be another Jewish Holocaust. Whether you believe in the Bible or not, it will be interesting to see whether the prophecy is fulfilled.

      • Habbgun

        Yeah interesting. Almost to the point of fascinating. I can’t wait. I bet the Copts are real curious if Christianity will ever care about them. All this interesting stuff about everything and everywhere.

      • herb benty

        Germany fullfilled that prophecy. Israel WILL be surrounded by Her enemies again, but the results will be devastating for Her enemies. “Israel will be saved, IN ONE DAY”- Romans.

        • cjkcjk

          They will be saved, but only after Jerusalem is taken.- Zechariah.

          • herb benty

            Look sonny, the Old Testament/Hebrew Scriptures is talking about the Holocaust. Those that come against Israel now will be annihilated- watch and pray.

          • cjkcjk

            Yeah that’s right, the Germans did take Jerusalem from the Jews in WWII….Pal.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            That doesn’t make sense. The closest the Germans came to modern-day Israel, and Jerusalem, in WWII was Egypt. Were you being sarcastic?

          • cjkcjk

            Yes I was, to spotlight the false teaching of ascribing a prophesy which names Jerusalem being conquered and plundered immediately before the Messiah destroys all the Jews enemies, as pertaining to the Holocaust.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            Okay, thanks. Gotcha ….

          • herb benty

            The Germans worked closely with the Arab Grand Mufti of Jerusalem to annihilate the Jewish people. The U.N. voted to give the Jews their ancient homeland back. The Arabs do not belong in Israel.

          • cjkcjk

            That’s right, it was just before Hitler desecrated the Temple. Now I remember.

          • herb benty

            Why does history bother you so much? The Romans desecrated the Temple.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The Greeks, Hellenists.

          • herb benty

            Assyrians, Babylonians. But you are right about what most of historians mean by THE desecration.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The way things are going, Mecca will be necessarily destroyed – in retaliation.

            If only Muslims loved Mecca and the Hajj and “muhammed” more than they hate Infidels.

          • cjkcjk

            Actually you’re the one who’s bothered because I refuted your ridiculous contention that a prophecy over Jerusalem pertained to the Holocaust.

          • herb benty

            Bye, trollie. Back to your leftist, atheist, Democrat cesspool.

          • cjkcjk

            Wow you really are butt-hurt. I’m as hardcore of a conservative than you will find.

          • herb benty

            Sure you are. ha, ha.

          • David Ashton

            This abusive response is typical of too much here.

          • herb benty

            You work in pairs? Sorry to have offended your delicate sensibilities! That cjk twit has been spouting crap so I told him what he could do with it, tough titty.

          • rain

            those that curse israel will be cursed, those that bless israel will be blessed”

          • herb benty

            Well said

          • kertitor

            I hope that involve the anti Israel and anti Jewish Jews.

          • David Ashton

            Some “Christian” Zionists seem as bloodthirsty as some “Christian” Nazis.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Some “Christian” SOCIALISTS seem as bloodthirsty as some “Christian” National SOCIALISTS..

          • herb benty

            The yearning for Justice is not “bloodthirsty”. Are you related to Catherine Ashton, the anti-semitic twit in the EU? You talk like her.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Is David Ashton as Fugly as Catherine Ashton?

          • David Ashton

            No relation. Who’s the “conspiracy” theorist here? I have no admiration for or connection with her or her comment. Her husband Peter Kellner is said to have some Jewish ancestry.

          • herb benty

            Just curious. She uses her EU position to constantly denigrate Israel while turning a blind eye to Islamic atrocities. Some of the worst anti-semites are Jewish or part Jew and are irrelevent.

          • David Ashton

            I am not Jewish or part Jewish, and do not consider myself anti-Jewish either. I have spoken against Islamic atrocities and Communist atrocities also.

          • herb benty

            DA, I don’t care what or who you are. I do care about the Jews and Israel. They are 3% of the earth’s population, yet receive most of the persecution. The perpetrators are mostly in Europe and Muslim countries.

          • Martel

            If only Catherine spoke more like David does, the United Kingdom would be in a better place. Less immigration from third world countries, Islam would be recognised for what it is, and British cultural heritage would not be squandered as it is today.

          • herb benty

            David A. is not the answer. However, the EU countries, including Britain are right now electing less socialist, leftist moronic types to lead them. There is Hope!

          • Martel

            Perhaps you dislike his views because he discusses the Jewish-gentile European ethnic conflict in ways you are not accustomed too, it is a more sensible view though, the standard explanation is quite prejudiced towards Europeans and will therefore remain a source of tensions.

            I too am glad with the elections, though in my own country, Geert Wilders lost a seat in Brussels. Quite a shame. Unless Europeans and Americans will not get a more healthy, realistic view of their history, and restore their cultural and ethnic confidence, we will not see major changes.

          • David Ashton

            My reply that I am not related to “Lady” Ashton (who is married to Peter Kellner) has been deleted, like some of my longer, carefully written and documented arguments.

            I fully understand the catastrophic effect of Nazism on Jewish attitudes and behavior, though I do not believe the death of innocent people justifies the political exploitation of The Holocaust, either as a secular religion or an “anti-racist” means to promote the invasion of former Christendom with Arabs, Pakistanis, Africans or Chinese.

            I shall not say anything more on this site when the response is simply ignorant and gross abuse.

          • Martel

            Its a shame, some seem to have been deleted indeed, as I cannot find them. I rather see you posting bits of wisdom to myself and Heidi, which is more fruitful then talking to those who clearly find this an emotional subject. For example, I had never heard of Ben Hecht before, since your comment I had spend some time reading more about this screenwriter, I find his life exemplary of the issues I touch upon.

            I don’t mind the “abuse”, which is mostly entertaining, as I consider it required exercise.

          • David Ashton

            My Disqus archive may still have some. I haven’t looked.

            Ezekiel 3.7. Enough is enough – for now.

          • herb benty

            You and “David” are leftist weasels.Jews do not bother anyone, do not proselize . There is no, “Jewish-Gentile EU ethnic conflict”. There is only anti-semitism and persecution of Jews by Leftists and imported Muslims. Jews and Christians want to live in peace, but are not left alone. Satan hates to leave the righteous alone. Your highmindedness gives you both away.

          • Martel

            I actually have never been a leftist, my first vote was for Geert Wilders, and has been so ever since. I have always admired US conservatism and wished my own nation to adopt some of its teachings. Though these days, I do not care about the economy or government policy, only immigration and Islam.

            There is a Jewish-Gentile European conflict, as there always has been. You cannot give a proper explanation of “antisemitism” nor can you refute my arguments.

            Since you believe “Satan” is the cause of a completely natural phenomenon, which is tensions between different ethnic groups, I think we can finish up our conversation. ,

          • herb benty

            Thank you both.

          • Martel

            You too. Though my views are controversial, I hope you and others will see my true intentions, which is, a strong relationship with Jews, based on a mutual recognition of each others ability to err and recognition of common interests in not succumbing to mass-immigration and the destruction of our cultural infrastructure.

          • herb benty

            No problem with that, take care,

          • David Ashton

            I am not a “leftist weasel”, but a conservative patriot.

          • Von Stierlitz

            Say what you will about the Christian Zionists, but as far as I know they aren’t building concentration camps and don’t attempt to enslave or annihilate European countries.

          • David Ashton

            No indeed. It is left some of our non-Christian posters here to welcome the prospective annihilation of our European countries (see above). Some Jews are so glad to have the political support in the USA of Christian fundamentalists that they have prudently toned down their (incorrect) opinion that the Nazi Holocaust was the eventual inevitable consequence of NT references to other Jews (e.g. Matthew 27.25, John 8.37-59 & I Thessalonians 2.14-16).

            Some “Christian” Zionists do have images about the slaughter of religious enemies that are pretty bloodthirsty, if not perhaps quite as atrocious as those in the Tanach or the Koran.

          • Danny

            That’s right. To put an end to Jewish victimhood, Jews need to move back to Israel.

          • David Ashton

            How disturbed are Zionists by “rising antisemitism” in France, Belgium and elsewhere if it results in aliyah to strengthen the population against the Arab demographic challenge? Not to say that the ADL survey hasn’t got its wry implications – there are more “antisemites” in Gaza than Laos! Now why could that be?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            More “antisemites” in Gaza than Laos?

            Self hating Semites in Gaza? Who would have thought.

          • David Ashton

            Abe Foxman, apparently.

        • Sheik Yerbouti

          That depends entirely on your concept of an actual holocaust. Targeted, ethnic murder is certainly horrific and having a mechanized plan only makes it much worse. Dinosaurs certainly suffered something I’d call a holocaust, but a planetary impact is way off the scale and affects everyone. Eichman went to his death wishing he had killed more. Why “deny” such people at their own words? Yet so many do and they get hung up on individual terms to try to whitewash it. I personally think that Israel should push the borders out much further, evict ALL of the Muslims and Palestinians to the lands of their tongue-wagging “supporters” and build the defense zones necessary for the foolishness we all see coming.

          • herb benty

            There was an, “actual” Holocaust of the Jews, my German relatives told me all about it. I like Caroline Glick’s, “One State Solution”

          • Kuti

            One Jewish State for a nation that has suffered at the hands of so many….and look at what this tiny Jewish state has already given the world.

          • herb benty

            This world has already been condemned.

          • Sheik Yerbouti

            Again, it’s splitting hairs in terminology that seem to distract so many from the kernel discussion.

          • herb benty

            Jews and Christians being targeted for who they are is just plain evil.

          • Sheik Yerbouti

            I agree. What’s disgusting is that they are attacked when they identify their attackers.

          • herb benty

            The nerve!!!!!!

          • David Ashton

            Are you sure about Eichmann’s valediction? What is the source of this?

      • KyraNelson

        Interesting? F*ck you. Let’s see YOUR family die this time around.

      • mackykam

        Interesting or hoping?

      • David Ashton

        References?

    • Anamah

      The problem is there are Leftist and Muslim morons in Western Canada and even Israel…

      • herb benty

        That is very true, But I believe in the God who has spoken. At the end of the day, we are all in His hands.

  • Trappedincalifornia

    Maybe I’m naive, but in the Midwestern town I grew up in Jews & Christians seemed to get along just fine. Maybe it’s because many people from both these religions originally came to America from Germany. We shared the same foods, potato pancakes/latkes graced both our tables & whether Jewish or Christian we were raised very similarly.

    In my generation their have been many inter-marriages & I can honestly say my family wasn’t upset or disappointed when I fell in love with a Jewish guy. His family was very welcoming to me as well, his Mom even cooked my favorite kugel over and over to make me feel welcome in her kitchen.

    The growing anti-Semitism has surprised us, we thought that kind of discrimination had been buried with the ruins of Nazism after WWII. It certainly should have been.

    • Judahlevi

      It is the left which is reviving anti-Semitism, not Christians (unless they are leftwing Christians).

      Anti-Semitism is only defeated when the collective identification and thinking of the left is demonstrated to be the human relational disaster it is. Multiculturalism is part of the problem, not the solution.

      Jews, like any other group, are all unique individuals. Group judgments are always wrong.

      • Martel

        Utopian, dangerous nonsense. Your thinking is the reason the US is flooded with non-white immigrants.

  • BennyPJ

    That is regretable,the jewish people have contributed much to western european
    development and respect human rights. Perhaps the movement of those from the east and middle east into europe has skewed these statistics
    BennyPJ

    • kilfincelt

      Jews have done much for the development of Europe and human rights; yet, they are vilified and Muslims who have done very little, except try to take us back to the 7th century, are welcomed. What does that say about many Europeans and some in the U.S. as well as Canada!?! I guess that these people would rather give into dhimmitude than live as a free people.

      Christianity is also under attack and, yet, it was people who accepted Christian ideals that eventually ended slavery although current academics would probably tell you otherwise. We need to stop listening to leftist academics who fail to understand or learn from history because they are too busy being revisionists of it.

      • David Ashton

        The majority of Europeans have not welcomed the Muslim incursions. Unlike leftist academics and their political allies in the political class and their de facto allies among business-men seeking cheap labor. Yet there was a massive immigration during the time that government was run by “Phony Bliar” who was very close to Jews socially, politically and financially. Explanations anyone?

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Red Ken, PressTV George Gallowsway, Lauren Blair, Jennie Tong, Der Guardian, BBC are very close to Muslims socially, politically and financially. Explanations anyone?

          • David Ashton

            I have no sympathy whatever with these leftists. Galloway is very close in all three respects to Muslims. I don’t know about the degree of personal association of Livingstone or Blair.

            Leftwing and anti-racist Jews have mistakenly supported multicultural immigration, which of course has done Jews here no good any more than non-Jewish British people. I have listed examples of these Jews elsewhere.

            On the plus side Melanie Phillips, David Conway and Anthony Daniels, and my old friend now deceased Sir Alfred Sherman, have departed from that consensus.

  • movieman

    We have an immigration system that is bringing in many Muslims, who will soon outnumber Jews in the US, and as a result, politicians will have to listen to their anti-Israel (and sometimes anti-Jewish) opinions. The violent incidents in universities that are already happening will increase, the alienated left will see them as natural allies, and terrorist incidents such as the Boston Marathon bombing will also increase. Free speech will suffer too, as a result of all this.
    I should say that I encountered anti-Semitism in the US too, years ago, as a result of some truly bizarre and disgusting behavior on my part. I was called “Hebe”, and one woman said that after viewing my behavior “now I understand the Holocaust.”. I wasn’t exactly Anthony Weiner, but it wasn’t good. It would be nice if people were judged as individuals. (Of course I have my judgments of some of these folks, and even making all allowances, they can be truly stupid, mean, and obnoxious).
    Greenfield’s article mentions the big outpouring of anti-Semitism in Spain, a country with very few Jews, when they are beaten by Israel in a basketball game. I’ve found that the world has more spiteful, petty, paranoid, totalitarian types than you might think, ready to come out of the woodwork when they can get away with it.

  • Mick

    Lawrence said

    “And New Zealand? The less said about the last outpost of the British Empire, the better (although still preferable to Europe, but that’s no comfort)”

    Stuff you Lawrence, and the ignorant horse you rode in on. We are our own people and here a mans a man for all that. If they want to come to NZ and can get past the immigration requirements then they’re welcome to be NZ’ers. We could do a lot worse than having Jews settle here… Like having Lawrence descend from his elevated tower.

    • 1twothree4

      I love New Zealand. Where the men are men and the sheep run scared.

    • Americana

      As serious as your comment to each other are, I have to laugh at your hutzpah over your country, Mick. Your nationalism is crazy enthusiastic! ;)

  • Proud Jew

    If you follow this advice by Mr Hornik, then the Israelis should leave Israel since they are not wanted by the local arabs and their neighboring countries. There is no way to solve this problem, we can only diminish its impact on Jews. Standing up and fighting for ones rights is the answer, not caving in to cowards. Jews all over the world have a right to live where they choose. Many have lived there for generations, longer than some current “locals”. One more thing, we can eradicate anti Semitims by eradicating ALL religions. How practical is that?

    • StanleyT

      “Jews all over the world have a right to live where they choose”. Except Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Libya, Judea, Samaria, parts of Jerusalem … seems there’s a common theme here, no?

    • Atikva

      You know, you reasoning may be fine, but you ought to spend some time in Western Europe to wake up to reality.

      What difference does it make that you have lived somewhere for centuries when all of a sudden you can’t get out of your house without being insulted and mugged, when you have to hide any external sign that you belong to a specific community to avoid being beaten?

      When you have to buy your traditional food in another district so as not to be recognized by your neighbors? When your children get threatened, insulted and attacked in school with impunity? When the muslim bus driver forbids you to get in “his” bus and you have to wait for a non-muslim bus driver who will let you in? How can you “fight for yourself” when your attackers are always many against one?

      When the public never reacts to seeing you abused, mugged and beaten, when you are forbidden to acquire and carry any weapons, when the police arrives too late, when you risk your life in filing a complaint, when you know that even if your attackers get caught the judge will release them almost immediately?

      When you know the media will never report these “incidents” and the authorities will minimize, if not deny, they ever happened?

      Tell me how to fight an entire rotten system unable to enforce the law and your “rights” that just lets all these things happen not so much out of anti-Semitism, but out of indifference and fear?

      You don’t need to be Jewish to refuse to be trapped in this indignity. If the country your ancestors have lived in for centuries doesn’t welcome and protect you any more, it’s its loss, shake the dust of your feet on the threshold and get out when there is still time. Then if you want to fight, you will be able to do it from abroad.

      Life comes first, you and your family should not take a chance to end like Ilan Halimi, Jonathan, Arieh & Gabriel Sandler and Myrian Monsonego.

      • mikegre

        And remember this, Atikva. They hate you because you’re smarter than them and they know it. Of all the ethnic groups in the entire world, Ashkenazis have the highest IQs. Be proud. Stay strong.

        • Atikva

          Thanks for the compliment, but I am not Jewish, just a zionist Christian – and proud to be.

          • mikegre

            Well, one of your great-great grandparents probably converted under the pain of death!

          • David Ashton

            Put it another way: Be proud because we are innately superior to the white Goyim.

          • mikegre

            That’s not the way I think, David. As a matter of fact, none of my Jewish friends think about non-Jews that way either. When we, as Jews, think about a superior being, we think about the guy upstairs. The rest of us…all the rest of us…. are comparatively all the same.

          • David Ashton

            No Jews or non-Jews I know personally think in those terms either. (I had better not say “some of my best friends are Jews” because this too is said to be perfect proof of antisemitism, and my best friends are actually not Jewish.) However, some Jews do think along the lines suggested, which matters not at all unless they result in adverse actions against other people.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            I think you’re thinking of Islamophobia.

            Muslims are the ones with the hair trigger sensibilities – and are likely to act on it – in brutal ways.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You should get together with osama bin laden. You’ll have a lot to talk about.

    • emptorpreempted

      I largely agree with your sentiment, but I wouldn’t say that Jews have a right to live *anywhere they choose*, because that claim is highly dubious and distracting. The heart of the matter is that the Jews have the right to live in that country, of all the others, where they were born and where their ancestors had been living for generations. Now this statement is pretty much incontrovertible according to the lights of common sense and just about any political philosophy — unless it were frankly posited that the Jews, as Jews, are under some special status and are not to be treated as other human beings.

      I must also take exception to your hopeful implication that eradicating all religions (assuming it were possible) would lead to the eradication of antisemitism. I see no reason to think so.

    • liz

      Yes, everyone should have a right to live where they choose, but who in their right mind would choose to live in downtown Detroit or Chicago?
      Israel is a great place but the neighborhood is rotten. I for one would not want to live surrounded on every border by mindless, murdering barbarians. Their religion gives those barbarians a convenient excuse to murder people, but I don’t know if they are capable of being rational, even without the religion.

      • Atikva

        Well, right now the choice is between barbarians contained at your secured frontiers, or barbarians knocking down your undefended doors.

        • liz

          Not much of a choice. Not that other Western countries are much better, since we have borders more like a sieve.

    • tickletik

      Who says you have a right to live anywhere you want? Do native Swedes have a right to live where they want? How about Englishmen? Is it OK if a million people from England decide to move into Rhodesia and take it over? Or how about if a Saudi national wanted to move into Tibet with a hundred thousand of his friends, would the Tibetans have no say in it?

      You do not have the right to live where you want and do anything you want. The Gentiles should invite us into their countries, because we are a great and noble people who are a benefit to everyone wherever we go, but we do not, as far as I know, have a right to step all over someone’s backyard without an invitation.

      Before we had no choice, we were prevented from living in our own land, and so we had to live among the Gentiles. Now we have our own country again, we have an obligation given to us by God Himself to live there.

      Exceptions can be made, but as a rule He did not say “live wherever you want”.

      • David Ashton

        Let me qualify: people should live where they like, but will not choose to live in places they dislike or where they will be disliked. I would not nuke Mecca just so Jews could go and live there when the dust settles, but I would certainly wish to protect Orthodox children in Stamford Hill from being pelted by Schwarzer yobs.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          What drugs are you taking?

  • http://tinyurl.com/pw69arn senatormark4

    If Rabbi Binyomin Jacobs, can’t walk a day without someone calling him a “dirty jew” and his YouTube channel isn’t overflowing what am I to think? This is serious stuff, he’s apparently an important spokesperson, and you can’t afford Google Glass? You can’t afford to document this slip into the past? Videos of this might not be as shocking as the Islamists waving severed heads around in Syria or Afghanistan but it must be documented and saved for posterity.

    One side will win this culture war and it would be good if the side that wins has proof of the buildup. On the other hand, nothing is for sure and the proof might not live into the future except as commercials for heroes. Scary.

    The bright line we should be drawing around the world is support for the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment. We should be taking that battle to the root of the evil so the Islamists would rush home to defend the Umma from true freedom.

    You fight it by saying that there is NO aid, NO visas, NO tax advantages, NO IMF investment unless they enshrine the First Amendment and their leaders comment on their support weekly. If they want free trade…fine.

    Saudi Arabia will not survive it’s current state as a free democracy. Iran won’t win the fight to convert Saudi to Shia. Popcorn.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      “Saudi Arabia will not survive it’s current state as a free democracy. ”

      WHAT!???

  • 1Indioviejo1

    I say, never forgive, never forget! Europe is walking into a third World War which will devastate mankind and the Jews need to leave before the S**t hits the fan. Western Civilization began its decline in Europe during the XX Century.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Civili War in Eurabia?

      Who would have thought?

  • Harry_the_Horrible

    So where can I take this survey? Since the ADL put it out, I would be interested in seeing what they consider “anti-Semitic.” In the realms beyond reality (Academia) here in the USA camels and tacos are now considered “racist.” At an SF Con (Archon) a the fan guest of honor was uninvited because ONE malcontent alleged racism on his part.

    I am tired of this victim mentality. Folks don’t like you? Deal with it. Make friends with those who do like you; get introductions to their friends who might be neutral and befriend them. Keep and bear arms. Vote. But stop whinging, whining, demanding accommodation in every little thing and constantly making charges of racism, etc.

  • Americana

    How disheartening this is! For Europe to have been the scene of such genocidal devastation of a religious group only 70 years ago and yet to still have political philosophies arise again like Golden Dawn in Greece is unbelievable. Humanity always seems to need multiple repetitions of the same sociological lessons. SHAME ON US.

    • Lea

      We will have this while we have muslims who act in disguise.

    • Marie Louise Noonan

      Europe is a continent populated by 50 heterogeneous counties. It is not parallel of the USA.

  • shmo123

    Of the people calling Rabbi Jacobs a dirty Jew, I wonder how many are native Dutch and how many are imported Muslims?

    • Habbgun

      I wonder how it makes a difference. The Dutch must know their imported Moslems hate them too but they might just be happy seeing a Jew get “theirs”.

      • shmo123

        There’s a major difference between the Dutch and their muslims in terms of temperament, relationships and any historical animosity vis-a-vis Jews.

      • Drakken

        In the smaller Dutch towns, the Dutch are starting to deal with their muslim problem and the authorities are trying their best to stop it.

      • cjkcjk

        That’s a nasty slap and thoroughly unjustified. I don’t think Geert Wilders would appreciate your horsesh!t

      • Lea

        Jew hatred can be laid down firmly at the door of Islam and the feet of muslims, it is in the Koran.

        • Marie Louise Noonan

          Of course it can.

        • Terry Burroughs

          They hate Christians too. They are equal opportunity haters. I read it in a fortune cookie.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            And Muslims hate HIndus, Bahais, Buddhists, animists, apostates, gays, girls who want an education, and the wrong kind of Muslim.

            Islam is at War with everybody.

          • David Ashton

            We agree at last. I shall celebrate with a delicious buttered Rakussen matzo and a cup of coffee.

      • Martel

        Its you who dislikes the gentile Dutch, its nearly impossible finding Dutchmen who actually fit this description, not even I, the most radical of Dutchmen wants to see innocent people harmed. Perhaps you should wonder if you are also capable of having prejudices.

    • Drakken

      It is the imported muslims, not the native Dutch. The smaller Dutch towns have had enough of their muslim invaders and are now starting to do something about it. Ever wonder why you don’t hear to much about the muslim problem in Eastern Europe? Because in the Ost, they take care of their own and don’t worry about hurting other peoples feelings, they just make the muslim problem disappear.

      • NYgal

        You don’t hear about Muslim problem in Eastern Europe because Eastern European countries don’t offer generous social programs, and thus are unattractive to Muslim immigrants. I bet EU will soon find a way to finance such programs and thus shift the immigrants eastward.

        • Drakken

          In the Ost, they won’t put up with the muslims and the problems they bring.

    • liz

      And I wonder what percentage of Muslims in the populations surveyed influenced the outcomes of those surveys? There may not have been the same results in the years before all the Muslim immigration started.

    • Martel

      From a Dutch perspective, I can tell you he has likely never been called a Dirty Jew but a native Dutchmen.

  • Habbgun

    Europe will never change. In fact they export antisemitism. As soon as a nation in Asia or South America (think China and Venezuela for example) soaks up Socialism it starts condemning Israel and the Jews in ways it never would have otherwise. Europeans have Jews on the brain. When their countries were Judenrein they decided American Jews have too much power and started exporting their filth here. Its time to not only give up on Europe but to hate what seems interminably wrong with it. Who knows. A little tough love might be what those idiots need.

    • Drakken

      If Europe goes, we are next, so we either stand together, or hang separately. Western Civilization is worth defending and preserving, otherwise it is back to the dark ages.

      • Habbgun

        Problem is when Franklin said that he was among like minded people pursuing like minded goals and the Founding Fathers were people of exceptional quality. Who would we be standing with? Nobody really. So what is the solution. Probably to wait until Europe falls enough that real aristocrats arise. There were such a thing. Leaders who stand with their own people to the death. Unfortunately that is human nature. We need to be on the brink until we realize our own stupidity.

        • Drakken

          Now that is well said!

      • Joe The Gentile

        What Drakken says is totally right, Habbgun. I’m wondering if you’re Israeli or American, but if either is true, it would be an absolute **DISASTER** for your country if Europe ‘falls’ in the Third Jihad. Keep in mind that two nations of Europe are nuclear powers, with a great technical base and submarine delivery capability for ICBMs. Think about that capability in the Jihad against you…..

        It’s bad for any of us if any of the others fall. If Israel falls, it’s bad for the rest of us: who get’s the chocolates out of Israel’s chocolate factory (its nuclear weapons) if Israel falls?

        • Habbgun

          I’m American 100% American and yet I doubt a third European failure would be any more of a disaster then the first two world wars. European powers are actively triangulating against American power. I really doubt the Left will be worrying about imperialism or microagressions if America devolves once relative superiority returns to Europe. Then leftists will go back to gazing into their navels and congratulating themselves about their pure European blood. I don’t really care. I just worry that we’ll get another world war and this time with nukes. Europe has failed and not really changed. It has foisted off its own sins unto America and Israel and sat back fat dumb, arrogant and socialist. I’ve met plenty of Europeans and those that like Americans tend to be entrepreneurial open and industrious. Those that don’t tend to be ugly rich trust fund babies settling into enclaves in NYC and they try to shove the most leftist candidates down our throats. They successfully did it with De Blasio. Until Europeans accept that fascism and communism is a European export and a bad one we’ll get nowhere. The Left applauds the export and says its the “solution” to America and the Jews. The Euro right says its a non-European invention somehow supported by Europeans in their own countries, taught by Europe’s descendants in universities and exported into Asian, Africa and South America by students educated in Europe. Drop the victimhood, tear out socialism by its roots and we’ll make progress.

          • Joe The Gentile

            >> European powers are actively triangulating against American power.

            This is true, but OK, in the same way that it is OK that the US is triangulating to keep its power against the Europeans. This is what powers do.

            >> I just worry that we’ll get another world war and this time with nukes

            Yes, and any sense in which Europe falls to Islamization is very bad for the US for these reasons.

            There is some American anti-European delight here at this site at the prospect of Europe falling to pieces due to Islamification and other woes. To such Americans, I say, ‘be careful what you wish for’. It you get this, it could well be the stuff of nightmares.

          • Habbgun

            You basically ignored the whole argument. The triangulation that Europe does against America is to export socialism especially through the university system. Do you like Obama? He was quite the Eurodarling wasn’t he?

            All I want is Europeans to acknowledge when they bleep up. Work to correct it and not create huge conspiracies whereby the Jews create magical constituencies of Europeans who have specific viewpoints and specific ways.

            The Euro right creates Euro leftists created by Jewish financial interests and the Euro left creates Euro nationalism somehow caused by Zionism. You both really believe in the same thing. You believe Europeans are innately superior. You just disagree on methods in how to express it.

          • Martel

            “You believe Europeans are innately superior”

            No, its you who believes that Jews are innately superior. I have seen no one arguing that Europeans are flawless, but you claim the Jewish-Gentile conflict is only on the shoulders of us gentiles. The Jews, mere victims. History disagrees.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            “History disagrees.”

            Which History? Socialist History? Islamist History? Your History?

            Still upset that your side lost WW2?

          • David Ashton

            How many of your reasonable and politely expressed comments have been censored out, like mine?

          • Martel

            I believe none. Have they been deleted or where they forced into moderation?

          • David Ashton

            Cut in places?

          • Martel

            What do you mean?

            My posts have remained untouched by FPM moderators.

          • David Ashton

            My joke about the inane insults heaped on me seems to have disappeared. Also my list of UK Jewish organisations and people who supported multiracial immigration that included Muslims. Maybe Disqus is to blame.

          • Martel

            Disquss has been buggy for me the last week, but no problem with disappearing posts as of yet. usually when one of my posts is deleted, the post still exists on my profile, which is not the case with your recent posts.

          • David Ashton

            Also, I think, my quotes of three “antisemitic” passages in the New Testament, but the threads are too long to check.

            Some people one cannot please or appease, or convert to either self-analysis or good manners.

          • David Ashton

            Also, I think, my quotes of three “antisemitic” passages in the New Testament, but the threads are too long to check.

            Some people one cannot please or appease, or convert to either self-analysis or good manners.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Why should anyone show good manners to nazi filth?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Why should any decent person show good manners to naz i filth?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            That’s why Eurodarling Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize – at the START of his FIRST term.

          • Joe The Gentile

            Inverted racism, the leftist racism of condescension, was part of that. He would not have gotten a nobel peace prize (lower-case intentional) if he hadn’t been Black. The truth is that they gave Obama the nobel peace prize for being Black. These racists of condescension were patting ‘the Negro’ on the head by awarding Obama for nothing.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Obama is Multi Racial.

          • Joe The Gentile

            Well he’s black enough for the nobel committee. :)

          • David Ashton

            Some of the “export socialism” came via the Frankfurt School that included Jews who left Germany, the promoters of so-called “Cultural Marxism” like Herbert Marcuse, Jewish professors against segregation and the Vietnam war (fair enough in both cases, but still a leftist slide), the Alinsky gang and the Soros funding. You need a bigger picture with nuanced coloring.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Europe has hated America for a long time – thinking that American upstarts are too dumb, unsophisticated next to European “royalty”.

            America was founded as an answer to the sickness of Europe.

          • Drakken

            Europe always, without exception, always goes back to nationalism when push comes to shove, and the left always ends up lined up against the walls and hung from lamp posts.
            In case it has escaped your notice, but in the US the left is on the rise and we are being flooded with the 3rd world as well. Anyway you cut and slice the problem, it always ends up in a massive amount of bloodshed because idiot communist always think that communism can work and if they just use 3rd world cannon fodder people can be made at the point of a gun to do so.
            So you can either be with western civilization, or you can be with the 3rd world. Chose wisely for there are no 2 nd chances.

          • Habbgun

            A wise choice is standing with Europeans who take ownership of Europe’s failures and do not try to come up with Jewish conspiracies to explain it.

            It is not hard for Europeans who are not socialist to admit that there are plenty of leftist socialist Europeans and they are indigenous . To say as some of the posters are saying (Martel in particular) that Europe has been victimized by Jewish interests is a joke. Jews exert themselves but European culture is made by and for Europeans and includes some truly awful ideas. Admit that and we can all move on.

          • David Ashton

            Yes, Jews and Gentiles are both human.

          • Habbgun

            Yay!!!!

          • Martel

            Its not myself or Ashton who disagrees about both Jews and Gentiles being human, but you. I judge Jews by the same standards as European gentiles, you claim “antisemitism” is some disease Europeans suffer from, without any input from the Jews. I claim both made strategic and moral errors which ended up in a tragedy,. The false historical narrative which opposes my views, spread in every school across the European and American continent, is part of the revisionism which has harmed our cultural confidence and the reason political correctness is so effective.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            European culture has been destroyed by Socialism and appeasement.

          • David Ashton

            And Jews as well as Gentiles have been socialists. So what?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Eurabia? Dhimmified Europe? So what?

          • David Ashton

            So European resistance to Muslim colonization is no disadvantage to North America or Israel.

          • SCRE W SOCIALISM

            Not your kind of “gentile” – the kind of “gentile” which responsible for the worst excesses of European history.

          • David Ashton

            Here we go again. I am responsible for murder now.

          • Martel

            And Europeans should be standing with Jews who take responsibility for their own flaws and failures.

          • Drakken

            The problem is, everyone is getting caught up in the semantics, instead of looking at the bigger picture. The enemy isn’t among ourselves, it is the muslim and islam. Focus!

          • Habbgun

            No Drakken this isn’t semantics. Maybe you can explain people like Joe the Gentile and Martel to me. How does someone say we need to be allied and in the next breath say I hope you all come to terms with how horrible you’ve historically been? Maybe I’m wrong but when England and America sat down as allies in WW I and WW II they probably didn’t try to figure out who was the problem in the war of 1812. My guess they put things aside and acted as one people in common cause. In fact there was probably nothing to put aside. Militaries like to take names and kick butt not quote their favorite controversial historian.

            Personally I would be much happier if there wasn’t a so called Jewish Gentile alliance against the Left and Islam and Christians stood with Middle Eastern and African Christians under attack. A high jihadi casualty rate is the best solution for all involved. Besides I don’t think Christians who don’t care about other Christians are going to care about Jews very much.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Habbgun AKBARRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Martel

        His distaste for Europeans may explain quite a bit about the actual roots of “antisemitism”. Could it be, that Jews have their own prejudices?

        • Habbgun

          Not really. Mine is a good ole American prejudice. You forget people didn’t leave Europe in droves because it was a raving success.

          • Drakken

            All of America and Canada were built from European roots.

          • David Ashton

            Greek, Roman, Christian.

          • Martel

            Dutch, German, French, English, Scottish..etcetera.

          • Matt Dickinson

            No Spanish?

          • Drakken

            Ja ! Them too. ;) Last I looked Dave, they are part and parcel of Western Civilization as well.

          • Martel

            Jews do not have their own prejudices?
            This is a common view, and a reason why the current historical narrative is detached from historical reality.

            Europe was quite a success actually, historically unprecedented, it also produced the United States of America, which is now turning into a multicultural nightmare.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            I believe that you will find Eurabia has already turned into a multicultural nightmare.

            I hope that the fall of Eurabia will shake the US out of its slumber.

        • David Ashton

          Some Jews before “The Holocaust” thought and said so – Bernard Lazare, Otto Weininger, Theodor Herzl, Karl Marx, &c.

          • Martel

            If more Jews agreed with Herzl and other early zionists on these matters, my only issues with the Jewish community would disappear.

          • Habbgun

            Yeah….but why would anyone care?

          • David Ashton

            Hashem might care.

          • Martel

            Any intelligent Jew would, the future is not looking bright for either of us.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            If Socialist hitler decided to get married sooner, WW2 would have ended sooner.

          • David Ashton

            And if he had not been saved from drowning as a youngster by a friend, WW2 might not have started.

            And if a certain people had kept the commandments, they might not have been scattered and regarded as a thing of contempt among the nations – but then who believes all that “ancient religious hogwash”?

          • Martel

            The bolshevik revolution would have occurred regardless, and the Soviets would have tried to conquer Europe with no one standing in their way.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Are you a member of the bnp – british na zi party too?

          • David Ashton

            No. The ONLY political party of which I was ever a member was the Conservative and Unionist Party in Great Britain for a short while in Essex, where I worked for Norman Tebbit, and later in Norfolk when I resigned, primarily because of the pathetic attitude of the “Tory” leaders to south Asian settlement in Britain. Now tell us your name, political affiliations and residential location.

            What does “too” imply? Do you imagine that Gentiles like me come here just to be showered with defamatory abuse like “trash”, “filth”, “pinko”, “disingenuous fraud”, “socialist”, “nazi” and so forth from the likes of you, or to engage in a mutually productive exchange of views and information?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            We are approaching June 6th, the 70th anniversary of D-Day – which led to the final defeat and unconditional surrender of national Socialist Germany to the US, UK and SU.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            “pinko”? Get a grip man.

          • David Ashton

            One of your fellow-competitors in abuse applied this ridiculous adjective to me. You are not the only one here who can dish out personal insults, but cannot take rational argument.

          • Habbgun

            Marx was as German as it gets. There is nothing Jewish about Hegel. There is nothing Jewish about Engels and there is nothing Jewish about the way he hated Jews. He was firmly rooted in the German philosophies. Again. Europe must take ownership of its moral and cultural failures especially fascism and marxism.

          • David Ashton

            Well, one can take the view that Marx was Jewish in no respect whatever, though other viewpoints are possible (e.g. Robert Wistrich). The best single discussion of this was Julius Carlebach’s “Karl Marx and the Radical Critique of Judaism” on my desk as I write. However, many people of Jewish ancestry have been attracted to Marxism and to communism, for entirely comprehensible reasons.

            I don’t think many people would deny that Herzl was Jewish, and his observation that when Jews sink they become the subordinate officers of the proletariat and when they rise there is the terrible power of their purse. I quote from memory since I am too tired to look out “The Jewish State” from the library on my top floor.

            For a balanced view, criticism and praise, of Jews, you have only to read through what Christians (offensively?) call the Old Testament, notably the prophets.

          • Habbgun

            For a balanced understanding of the Bible you have to understand that the failures of the Jews is their spotty allegiance to Hashem and not some conspiracy against the non-Jews. Hashem will redeem and will let the nations know that the best of the Jews were the best that mankind had to offer. It is all very simple. Also Hashem is honest with his people and doesn’t offer them conspiracies.

            He does not say the nations made you do it. He says you took after the nations and that is YOUR MISTAKE.

            Try that sometime. Instead of lecturing about Jewish incursions in your little realm lecture yourself and your people about your MISTAKES IN FOLLOWING A WRONG LEAD. It might lead to progress. We’ll never know because you’ll never take moral responsibility for anything…..

        • Drakken

          There is a world of difference between a secular leftist of jewish orgins, and a person of the jewish religion that harms no one. One must be smart enough to spot the difference and clarify those differences.

          • Martel

            Its not about someone harming anyone intentionally, such individuals are per definition the exception. Take the black community in the USA, there are quite a few individuals who promote black supremacist views or actually promote violence against non-blacks. But they remain a rare commodity. But the majority of blacks do decide who to vote for based on black ethnic interests, one influence is obviously the strong belief amongst blacks that whites either actively discriminate against them, or owe them a form of reparations. However, I do not deny gifted intellectuals such as Thomas Sowell because of these general observations. nor do I hope that the likes of Sowell will one day be common amongst blacks, this is impossible for several reasons.

            Jews in general tend to support open borders, or they support Israel, a foreign nation. This is because Jews often identify with their diaspora, which conflicts with their support for the nations they inhabit. This has historically caused frictions with native European populations. Naturally I recognize the amazing work of many Jewish activists and intellectuals, but there will always be differences, as political interests are shaped by religious and ethnic identity. Most Jews who are close to my political views, still tend to have quite a biased view of European history. My recent discussion with Mr. Greenfield is an example.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Martel, you are clearly out of your depth.

            The influx of Muslims to Europe is due to Jews?

            Do Jews get to vote 10 times and others can only vote once?

            What are you drinking, smoking, shooting?

            Are you a Socialist too?

          • Matt Dickinson

            Why is it impossible among blacks?

          • Martel

            Because political preferences are partly determined by genetics, and naturally genetic profiles differ between ethnic groups. Individualism is a European trait.. Blacks also have a lower average IQ then whites, as confirmed by endless studies on the subject and the inability of the US government(and private enterprises) to close the achievement gap.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Whites have lower IQ’s than Asians.

            The pecking order may not be to your liking.

            Maybe you can get a job at Foxxcon.

          • Martel

            The pecking order should always be in favour of the native population, this can be done by restricting mass immigration. I’m glad you recognise racial differences in average intelligence, those who believe we have evolved similarly cannot comprehend the risks posed by mass immigration. Unfortunately both US republicans and democrats believe race is a social construct.

    • Lea

      Jew hatred is rooted in Islam, and is incited by muslims wherever you find them.

      • David Ashton

        To be fair, Christians from Chrysostom to Luther made their contribution. However, the Koran says that Jews spread disorder around the earth (as did Hitler), and that believers should not take Christians or Jews as friends. American support for Israel and its Mid-East policy however has aggravated this ancient hostility.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          What doesn’t aggravate Muslims?

          Who are they not at war with?

          Read the newspaper for the latest.

          • David Ashton

            Fair enough. We should have let lying dogs sleep in their own kennels, but it is now too late for that. Israel woke them all up with a vengeance, and now they are barking and trying to bite us all.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Muslims bomb London transport on 7/7/05, behead Lee Rigby, establish Sharia Compliant Zones in London, openly threaten the UK and Europe with 9/11 scale attacks – because of Israel?

            What kind of Socialist are you?

        • Matt Dickinson

          They spread “disorder” because the “order” that gentiles create can be absolutely insane! You would still prefer to live under some of the kingdoms of old europe? Or Islamic shariah law? You want the antebellum south? What do you want to return to so bad?

          You know the present is the best. This “jew run world” today is the best there ever is and it’s slowly getting better.

          • David Ashton

            No, I don’t want to live in an ancient kingdom or shariah law.

            “Life is getting better, comrades” (Stalin). Take up your argument with Mr Screw Socialism about life in Europe today, not with me.

    • David Ashton

      “Europeans have Jews on the brain.” No, they mostly have other things to interest them. “Jews have Jews on the brain” would be nearer a description of reality with Holocaust museums and University Jewish studies continuing to spread. Now I say this without hatred, and with good wishes for the Jewish future inside and outside Israel.

      • Habbgun

        Yeah I’ve seen what Europeans have to interest them first hand. You’ve been foisting your leftist trust fund babies on New Yorkers for a while now. Let’s see what interests Europeans. Bad music, even worse art and telling Americans they need to be more European meaning Socialist. What does a Eurotrust fund baby produce? 16 types of artisanal chocolates. Second hand of course. It takes actual Americans to produce and sell the chocolates. The trust fund baby just eats it and bitches its not free like it should be in eurotrust fund baby socialist paradise. Why don’t you guys ever take responsibility for european cultural failures? You must just correct your failures instead of finding fancier ways of blaming the Jews for them. Just a thought.

        • David Ashton

          This “guy” would never “blame” any Jew for anything unless he is proved to have done something generally agreed to be objectionable. I don’t quite know what “leftist trust fund babies” foisted on “New Yorkers” are. Unlike many Jewish immigrants and their red diaper babies in the USA during first part of the 20th-century, I have always opposed leftist socialism, as have very many fellow-Britons and fellow-Europeans as the EU elections have confirmed.

          And don’t lecture Europe of all places about “bad music” and “even worse art”.

          Jews and non-Jews need to understand each other – self-pity and self-righteousness are no prettier than self-hatred. But I do believe that for whatever reason many Jews are unduly self-preoccupied with Jewish concerns, to the extent that instead of ensuring security it provokes irritation among other peoples. “O would some power the giftie gie to see oursels as others see us” – Burns, Robert (not George).

          • Habbgun

            I don’t quite know what “leftist trust fund babies” foisted on “New Yorkers” are —- well then! You don’t know what you are talking about then. They are here and they are here in droves. Oh and the bad art and music comment is not a generality. It is specifically what they do here. Live off mommy and daddy’s money and create truly horrific music and art. No joke. Maybe you do not realize how far Europe has sunk. It is an eye opener.

          • David Ashton

            No I don’t. You need not forgive but you could remedy my ignorance. Who are these rich Europeans in droves in NY? What countries do they come from? What ethnicity? Name some names. Cite some bad music.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            I see the European preoccupation with Israel as Muslims flood into Europe, establish Sharia Compliant No-Go Zones – to be amusing – and a big Warning to the US, Canada and Australia.

            We can all learn from the Fall of Europe.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          I prefer Hershey’s to any Eurocrap chocolate.

  • ssohara

    I grew up in NYC. I met Jews I did not like. I also had Jewish friends. Ultimately the Jews are … people. Can we welcome the Jews here to the US from Europe and give them some of our leftists in return?

    • Lea

      A lot of Jews are leftists, they call themselves secular, when in fact they are atheists.

      • liz

        A lot of Jews are leftists, and a lot of Jews are atheists, but being an atheist doesn’t automatically make a Jew (or anyone) a leftist, or vice versa.
        The Pope is a leftist, and Ayn Rand, an atheist, was a capitalist.

        • Marie Louise Noonan

          The left-right paradigm has no relevance to the pope.

          There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
          Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
          - Hamlet (1.5.167-8),

          • liz

            So the Pope is “above reproach” simply by virtue of his exalted position? I suppose that makes him infallible, too. If he’s the mouthpiece of God, then I guess God is a leftist.

          • Marie Louise Noonan

            Say what?

            Reread my post:

            ‘The left-right paradigm has no relevance to the pope.’

          • liz

            Have you listened to what the Popes been saying lately?
            In light of his own words, he’s a leftist. Why should anything he says get an automatic exemption just because he’s the Pope?
            If he’s supposedly infallible, then he’s supposedly speaking for God. That’s not my claim, it’s the claim of the Catholic church. I’m just pointing out how ridiculous that claim is made to appear when supposedly “holy” and infallible personages start taking sides in politics.
            (As well as it being an example of the fact that religious people can be leftists. Maybe someone like the Reverend Jackson would have been a better example.)

          • David Ashton

            Fortunately in RC dogma the Pope is infallible only when he defines ex cathedra a doctrine of faith and morals to be accepted by the entire faithful. He is something of a Nincompope. He is not “above reproach” but then neither is the Chief Rabbi of Israel.

          • liz

            Well of course no one should be. The Pope is the only one who claims to be, though. (Maybe Ayatollahs do, too). It’s all rather silly.

      • Terry Burroughs

        Lea…..go get an education. Your remark is so ridiculous you should have been too ashamed to think it let alone post it.

        • Lea

          What part of what I said is untrue? And yes, it is a shameful thing to deny God, I agree, and be a communist on top of it too? Are you actually saying there are no Jews like this. I would not call them Jews, I would rather say they are non-Jews, but nevertheless they themselves and other Jews are adamant that they are Jews by genetics, not faith.

  • Donald J DaCosta

    Easier said than done but the motivation is obvious and justified. Who among us would choose to live among those who hate us for no good reason? What did we do to offend, we know not, and how can we make amends if we know not? This is an exercise in futility. It would feel so good just to be able to say, “Sayonara.”

  • Brian Cunningham

    Abe Foxman and the ADL are a joke.

  • MrUniteUs1

    “GET OUT of OUR HOLY LAND”
    Jerusalem Magistrates’ Court Judge Shmuel Herbst rejected early Friday afternoon a request by police to place two youths under house arrest for seven days, distance them from Jerusalem and slap them with a security deposit after they were caught putting up posters hostile to Pope Francis.

    The posters said, among other things, that Christianity is an “accursed” religion that is complicit in the murder of millions of Jews, and that its leaders dream of “annihilating the Jewish state.” It called on the “impure” pope to “get out of our holy land” and “return the stolen vessels of the Temple.”

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/180964#.U3-SYvldWH4

    • Joe The Gentile

      So what, MrDivideUs0? A few youths with strong antichristian feelings and a judge strong on free speech? You’ll have to work harder than than that to divide the Jews and Gentiles of FrontpageMag commenters.

      My Jew and Gentile friends, resist the temptation to feed the troll!

      • MrUniteUs1

        Hundreds of ultra-Orthodox Jews gathered Monday near the reputed
        scene of Jesus’s last supper in Jerusalem demanding that Israel keep
        sovereignty over the site where Pope Francis will celebrate mass.

        “When ‘the crusaders’ come here making the sign of the cross and all
        kinds of rituals, this place will become idolatrous for us, and we will
        not have the right to pray there any more,” ultra-Orthodox Jewish
        protester Yitzhak Batzon told AFP.

        Ultra-Orthodox protesters are planning another demonstration there on
        May 22 — just three days before the pope is due to arrive in Jerusalem.

        Pope Francis’s short visit to the Holy Land has already faced
        obstacles, including a rise in so-called “price tag” hate crimes by
        Jewish extremists targeting Muslims and Christians.

        “The unrestrained acts of vandalism poison the atmosphere — the
        atmosphere of co-existence and the atmosphere of collaboration,
        especially in these two weeks prior to the visit of Pope Francis,” Latin
        Patriarch Fuad Twal, the most senior Roman Catholic figure in the Holy
        Land, said on Sunday.

        http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/12/orthodox-jews-protest-against-pope-francis-mass-at-jerusalem-site-of-jesus-last-supper/

        • MrUniteUs1

          It’s wrong to tell Jews to get out of Europe.
          It’s wrong to tell Christians including the Pope to get out of Israel.

          • dartson

            Israel is the only country in the Middle East where the Christian population is growing and Chirstians (also Druze, Bahai and other minorities) are free from persecutions. These ultra-Orthodox fanatics do not represent the entire country.

          • MrUniteUs1

            No group represents an entire country. But when a group is promoting hatred, then people should not remain silent.People should speak out against the hatred. Silence is tacit approval

          • David Ashton

            It would not be wrong to remind Muslims in Europe of their traditional position that they should not settle in the House of Conflict and should return to the House of Submission after they have done their business. If Zionists ask Jews to get out of Europe and join the Israelis, why stop them?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            If Muslims ask Muslims in the Middle East to join them in Eurabia, why stop them?

          • David Ashton

            A silly question does not deserve a serious answer.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Eurabia, Excuse my Schadenfreude

            Not really.
            .

          • David Ashton

            I know that years ago the World Zionist Organisation tried unsuccessfully to transfer Palestinian refugees or (as some posters here would prefer) “refugees” to Australia and Canada, but I thought for a moment you might imagine that a Caliphate stretching from Portugal to Poland and Ulster to Ukraine might somehow benefit the Chosen Land of the Holy People.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Today your failed country imports Muslims by the plane load. That’s your government, media, educators.

            And the very people you imported are now great enough in numbers to openly threaten your foolish country with 9/11 scale massacres, establish Sharia Law Zones, kill your soldiers in the UK..

            Your arrogance will be the death of you.

          • David Ashton

            You think I and most English people deliberately wanted the importation of Muslims or indeed other immigrants? Look at the opinion polls from the 1960s to the present.

            This was entirely the work of the political class, greedy businessmen and leftists in education and the media, and it would have helped if the influential “anti-racist” influential Jewish establishment here had not encouraged multiculturalism and mass-immigration, as indeed it myopically still does. My old acquaintance Sir Alfred Sherman was out on a limb on this, like Melanie Phillips today.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Hey twit, do Jews control the BBC, Der Guardian, the British Parliament, PressTV Geroge Gallowsway?

            How dumb are you?

            Were you weaning on a socialist teat?

          • David Ashton

            Actually Jews have quite a presence at the BBC and in TV programming (Harding, Cohen, Katz, Robinson, Yentob, Maitlis &c), although there is also a left-liberal bias including an “anti-racism” that sometimes slants against Israel over Gaza and the West Bank.

            I am neither a “nazi” nor a left-wing “socialist”, and prefer documented facts and reasoned argument with opponents, rather an exchange of empty epithets like “twit”, “dumb”, “trash” and so forth, which are your characteristic stock in trade.

          • David Ashton

            On this matter “our” government, main media and “educators” have incrementally imposed “equality and diversity” upon us with the results you mention. How do we the people rid ourselves of this dominant class, whose “anti-racism” and “multi-culturalism” has nevertheless been supported for years past by the Board of Deputies of British Jews, the Holocaust Educational Trust, and a whole host of prominent, wealthy and vocal Jewish personalities?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Your fellow Eurotrash are so busy bashing Israel and jews to notice that Muslims are taking over London – Tower Hamlets. Muslim mobs are chasing British police through the streets. It’s on Youtube.

            You’re the frog in the pot on stove – gradually heating up – until it’s too late.

            .You cut off your Eurotrash nose to spite your Eurotrash face.

          • David Ashton

            Thanks for telling us what is happening in what was our own country in your usual elegant fashion.

          • Martel

            “You cut off your Eurotrash nose to spite your Eurotrash face”

            Lol, you are legitimately insane. How does it feel?
            You often come across as frustrated and unstable.

          • Guest

            So? It’s their land. It’s not a very big place. They should tell all the Christians to get out of Israel. (Along with the Palestinians, I mean). And not ever allow a Pope to come back. Except perhaps to the beaches of Tel Aviv or something if he wants to do some sun bathing.

      • Habbgun

        Daniel Greenfield says The Facts posts at white supremacists websites pretending to be a black guy that hates jews more than they do. I’m guessing that who this really is or someone like him. This is more white supremacist style of posting than anything else.

      • laura r

        dont pay attention, hes an idiot turning over rocks. he also would rather talk about his post traumatic slavery syndrome.

  • L. Rijk

    Milan is in Italy

  • drthomasedavis

    With the tenacity of a mother holding onto a child in mortal danger, the Jews have since the beginning of the Diaspora in 597 BC, held to their monotheistic and righteous beliefs. Theirs is a brave and heart-warming history. throughout history, these gallant and educated people have added so much to the cause of humanity worldwide. Jews have been more beneficial to humanity than any other blood and culture race of people. For their own good and the good of the world, they must maintain their tiny homeland as a beacon to the rest of us not so blessed. I, for one, would welcome every Jew to come to America, a nation who owes its very life to Haim Solomon who spent his fortune supporting General Washington’s Army and himself died a pauper as a result. May God (YHWH) always look upon the Jews as having favored nation status.
    Dr. Thomas E. Davis, Colonel, USA (ret)

    • Lea

      There are good Jews and there are bad Jews.

    • oneteedoffpatriot

      Well said. You know your stuff.

      • David Ashton

        I am not sure whether the Colonel wants Jews to leave Israel for America or for Jews to leave America to maintain Israel.

        • Matt Dickinson

          What do you want?

          • David Ashton

            Jews can live where they like, and keep the rules there like the others. I believe in free speech for all and violence for none.

            Before WW2 “changed everything” there was a case for the partition of western Palestine, with international guaranteed access of all Abrahamic faiths to their holy places, and for Jews especially in Poland, Hungary, Germany and Russia, who favored a Territorial policy gradually to establish their own dominion in an sufficiently spacious fertile area like Uganda/Kenya. This was not like the Nazi plan for a giant Alcatraz shared with the lemurs of Madagascar, but consistent with strong opinion at that time among Jews. It made more sense than Eretz Israel from Bethlehem to Babylon, and would have prevented the wartime mass-murder of Jews.

  • rebaaron

    The fastest growing Jewish community in Europe is in Germany, whose people murdered all the Jews or Europe for no reason, six million of them. They did it to our parents and grandparents, not that long ago. No self-respecting Jew should live in Europe. There is no excuse for it, when they can come to Israel as of right. French Sephardic Jews get a pass, because they escaped to France from the Arab countries of North Africa, when the French left. But it’s time for them to go too. They should come to Israel, a land of opportunity, and the home of the Jewish people. It’s a better life for Jews. A spectacular life, actually. Within 10 to 15 the Jews will have left. The Europeans won’t stop hating us, but they will have their hands full with the Arabs they like much better. They hate Jews too.

    • Martel

      “whose people murdered all the Jews or Europe for no reason, six million of them”

      Winston Churchill might have disagreed.

      • rebaaron

        What makes you think Churchill might have disagreed? He knew the facts better than anyone, at the time.

        • Martel

          He believed Jews, because of the international nature of their community, often had divided loyalties which conflicted with the political interests of native populations. This is historically documented and was one of the reasons why many Germans(and Europeans in general) distrusted the Jewish community, due to events in Russia and for example, Hungary in 1919.

          • Atikva

            In the XIXth century, it was “divided loyalties” leading to treason, like in the Dreyfus case.

            In the Middle Ages, it was ritual murders, wells poisoning or sorcery.

            In the XXth century, it was a blemish on the aryan race and obstructing the new order.

            Nowadays, it is exterminating the “Palestinians”. Who, by the way, have multiplied from a mere 54,790 in 1931 to 7.9 million in 2014, quite a feat for a decimated community.

            The excuses may vary, antisemitism remains.

          • Martel

            Many claims can be verified, others are overstated, as is generally the case with both Jewish and Gentiles who are prejudiced. To claim European gentiles never had legitimate grievances is such an overstatement on your part. Its similar to the Dutch Rabbi quoted in the article, who fails to differentiate with nearly non-existing resentment against Jews amongst indigenous Europeans, and Muslim “anti-semitism”.

            The case of the Palestinians has obviously nothing to do with European “anti-semitism” but is fuelled by religious sentiments and geopolitical interests. Besides this, it is my impression that gentile leftists(USA) legitimately or illegitimately believe that the fact that the Jews do have tremendous influence in the media(nearly all major media corporations are run/owned by Jewish Americans), in the banking sector, and in financing political parties(see major donors republicans), pushes the US to not engage Israel as harshly as they would prefer.

            My assessment of the Israel-Palestinian conflict is surely similar to yours,as I want the ethnic Jews to have a homeland, but I do understand why these facts cause resentment against Jews. What do you believe are the main sources of “anti-semitism”?

          • Atikva

            Envy.

          • Martel

            This can certainly be viewed as one of its causes, its actually the most popular explanation but I consider it simplistic and quite denigrating for the gentiles involved in such conflicts. Take the following examples:

            1. French Jews as effective and ruthless tax collectors for the monarchies. Naturally orders were given by the rulers of France, but it is understandable that the French in those periods had a negative image of Jews.

            2. Jewish elites in Germany and Great Britain pushing for peaceful relations with the Ottoman empire during the 1870′s when Bulgarian Christians were being persecuted to maintain Jewish trading operations within the Ottoman empire.This rubbed both Christian and national leadership the wrong way.

            3. The influence of Jewish intellectuals, financiers and politicians in changing US immigration policy into accepting more, if not mostly non-white immigrants.

            In these few issues alone, economic inequality has not been a reason for discontent. Your theory is therefore at the very least incomplete, though I consider it invalid.

          • Atikva

            Of course you do, that’s why you have to clutch at straws.

            The points that you raise go way back in History which is ignored by practically everyone nowadays under the age of 80 – the leftists have seen to it, and not only in America, but in whole Europe – so they are kind of irrelevant to explain why some people still enjoy killing Jews today.

            I don’t pretend to have the key to the whole process that triggers and nourishes Jew hate, I’d rather fight it whenever I have a chance. As a Christian, I feel gratitude for the People of The Book, respect and admiration for Israel, and I take my jewish contemporaries as I take anybody else, one at a time.

          • Martel

            I do not clutch at any straw, as I do not need to. My analysis of Jewish-European gentile conflict can be consistently demonstrated within different time periods and different regions.

            The reason I go back in history is to show these issues have existed throughout history, and exist to this day. I have not seen anything from which proves I am wrong. I also have demonstrated that your analysis of this conflict is too simplistic, since you have not answered it, I take it you agree that “envy” alone(or at all) does not provide an answer for the existence of “antisemitism”.

            I also take my Jewish contemporaries as everybody else, knowing that people make political decisions based on their religious and ethnic identity. There is nothing special or unique about “antisemitism”, it is largely explained by a ethnocentric diaspora with different political interests then the native populations.

          • Atikva

            As long as you are satisfied with yourself, it’s all that matters.

            It’s very nice of you to come here to educate us ignorant Americans, you shouldn’t have, really! When we’ll need a nanny to explain the world to us, we’ll call on you.

          • Martel

            “It’s very nice of you to come here to educate us ignorant American”

            No problem. Most of us our ignorant though, hence when we have something to interesting to share, we should not keep it to ourselves. The United States and the nations of Europe are currently dying, we need all the help we can get ^^

          • Habbgun

            As always the Euro self pity of which you are an absolute miserable specialist. You should change your race, join Al Sharpton as a race huckster. You have a genius for it..

            “French Jews as effective and ruthless tax collectors for the
            monarchies. Naturally orders were given by the rulers of France, but it
            is understandable that the French in those periods had a negative image
            of Jews.”

            What a perfect example of self pitying eurotrash thinking.

            The monarchy grew out of european culture, was for the europeans and served and was served by the europeans. It received its legitimacy by the Churches of the time. You are doing your usual eurotrash tapdance. You are giving an enormous failure of euroleadership and then blaming the Jews. Sorry pal, european failure is european failure. Your broke it. You bought it.

          • Martel

            Even though I rather have an intelligent debate, discussing with Jewish Americans or Jewish Europeans who have bigoted views such as yours does help me learn more about these issues.

            My comment about French Jews as tax collectors is not even considered a controversial aspect of French history, anyone who knows about French history is aware of these events. To dismiss them only displays your ignorance about these matters.

            I don’t blame the Jews for anything, I simply analyse the conflict between Jews and European gentiles and the best you can do to try and convince me I am wrong is by making insulting remarks about Europeans. You are proving me right by doing so, you claim the Jews are mere victims and Europeans mere “Eurotrash”, you have a lot more in common with Sharpton then I do, clearly.

          • Habbgun

            Eurotrash is to get your attention. Again you tap dance around the argument. Why doesn’t Europe take responsibility for European failures? Why pretend that there is a malign Jewish influence that creates European leftists and invites the Moslems into Europe and creates a culture of phony multiculturalism to do so.

            I know exactly why. You want there to be an intact idea of innate European superiority. If you were to own up that Leftists and multicultural collaborators with Islam are Europeans derived from European populations and culture you would of course be denying the lie that that there is an innate European superiority. So you create bogus arguments.

            How about this. Europe has had some great successes and some terrible failures and its people were involved in both.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Wait till you begin to pay Jizzya – paying taxes not to your Euro Kings, but to your Muslim masters.

          • David Ashton

            How many kings are left in Europe? Who murdered the Tsar?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Who murdered the European tsar?

            The same people who crucified Jesus – Europeans.

          • David Ashton

            Do you distinguish between “Europeans” and individuals of “Jewish” ancestry? If so, the murderers of the Czar, his family and companions were not all “Europeans”.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You Europeans sure have a thing for violence.

            It was suppressed for a while after WW2.

          • David Ashton

            I think it would be possible to produce evidence of violence by non-Europeans, from China and India to Africa and America.

            After WW2 the Soviet victors suppressed many non-communist and some communist Europeans by violence; see e.g. Richard J. Evans (David Irving’s ablest critic), “The Other Horror”, New Republic, June 25, 2012 on-line; Anne Applebaum, “Iron Curtain” (Penguin 2013) & Robert Gellately, “Stalin’s Curse” (OUP 2013); none of these historians are antisemitic.

            Was not the ancient Israel of the Torah and the new Israel of the Stern Gang and Mossad also born with “violence”?

            Has not Europe also provided the world with great achievements in science, engineering, art, music, literature and philosophy?

          • David Ashton

            There were great differences of time and culture between one Roman governor in ancient Judea and the gang that murdered the Russian emperor in cold blood. Are you merely distinguishing here between all white Gentiles and people of Jewish heritage, or seeking to label white Gentiles as a collectively murderous race at all times and places?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Europeans do have a long (1,000+ years) bloody history of war – waged all over the world – centered for a long time within Europe.

            Or am I wrong?

          • David Ashton

            For once you are correct historically, especially if you include the wars or interventions by US government forces. What interests me is whether you have an anti-white “racist” explanation.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            How many died in the name of Tsar before the Russian Revolution?

            The hands of the Tsars were not clean.

          • David Ashton

            I haven’t counted how many deaths for which Czar Nicholas’s children and the other helpless victims of Sverdlov and Yurovsky’s bullets and bayonets, were personally responsible, but I refer you to Alexander Yakovlev’s “A Century of Violence in Soviet Russia” (Yale UP, 2002) for just one account, among others, of the deadly impact of Bolshevism on children as well as millions of adults, including Jews.

            You have avoided answering my question.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            European media, academics, governments are driving the immigration of Muslims – who are now in Europe in large communities and are flexing their muscles – demanding that Europeans meet their needs, culture.

          • David Ashton

            And people like me and Martel are resisting this immigration to preserve European needs and culture. Pity we get your hostility rather than sympathy.

          • Habbgun

            Euro grievances are always, always ridiculous. Europeans had the guns, the armies, the colonies, the money and the power and yet they want to believe they were kicked around by a Jewish financial conspiracy. Nice try. Europe had world wars and class conflicts because Europe was essentially screwed up. Take some responsibility. It might just change your outlook.

          • Drakken

            European Western Civilization has brought you everything you enjoy today, never ever forget that. Because it might hurt some 3rd worlders precious sensibilities that we are a warrior culture and as history has proven time and time again, war is again on the horizon.

          • Martel

            “Euro grievances are always, always ridiculous”
            You would never hear me say something similar about Jews or any other ethnic group, because I approach this topic rationally, and analyse all ethnic groups on equal terms. You clearly have a negative opinion of European gentiles, and because you do not back it up with an argument, it is prejudice. This is normal, and it has been one cause of ethnic conflict between European gentiles and Jews throughout history, and this is my exact point.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            “I approach this topic rationally, and analyse all ethnic groups on equal terms.”

            Spoken like a jealous European failure seeing his future slip away.

          • David Ashton

            Personal, not rational. You are slipping back into old habits, the “evil inclination” as the rabbis said.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The birth of America, Canada, Australia are the result of the failure of Europe.

          • David Ashton

            The moon is made of chicken soup and barley.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Not fish and chips and haggis?

          • David Ashton

            Fish & chips having been a “Jewish culinary invention” in England, I am pleased to see you manifest a sense of humor rather than mostly a hatred for Europeans and a stock of unpleasant and untrue adjectives for those of us who try to argue rationally with you.

          • David Ashton

            Fish-and-chips are a Sephardic innovation.

          • SCRE W SOCIALISM

            Fish and Chips go well together with your above mentioned chicken soup and barley – but not with haggis.
            ..

          • David Ashton

            I dislike haggis but I am not therefore an anti-Scotite.

          • Drakken

            I will argue that they are the best of Europe.

          • David Ashton

            Yes, but WHY?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The other is more powerful than you.

            Inferiority Complex.

          • David Ashton

            Is this answer re Atikva’s question intended to mean that the Jews are “more powerful” than us Europeans. If so, “could we have that in writing” as your own opinion?

          • David Ashton

            Why does it remain? What is it that other people dislike about Jews?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Inferiority complex in Eurotrash leads to hating Jews, Gypsies, Americans, Bahais, black people, Asians,

            And among your other problems you have a massive Inferiority Complex.

          • David Ashton

            Europeans hate “Bahais”? I doubt if most of us have ever met any. The only Bahai well-known in the media was the scientist Dr David Kelly who supposedly killed himself but was considered a victim of a murder plot to silence his information about WMD in Iraq considered inconvenient to Tony Blair and the neo-con war lobby in the USA.

            In England, we distinguish between East Asians (Orientals) and South Asians (Muslims and Hindus), and certainly have little great affection for the Muslims, but then neither do you.

          • Martel

            The portion of Europeans which are prejudiced against Americans tend to be leftists who love black, gypsy and Muslim immigrants. Those on my side like European Americans, and dislike black/Muslim/gypsy immigrants. Though most of us do not judge individuals for the sins of their community. I get along with all people, but reserve my right to maintain a majority white/native Dutch country.

          • rebaaron

            I’d like to see your documentation. I’d also like to know why you think Churchill would have considered that to be a reason to murder 6 million people. He didn’t. What you are really saying is that YOU think it would be a good reason. Tell all your friends and family. They will be proud of you.

          • Martel

            “‘I’d also like to know why you think Churchill would have considered that to be a reason to murder 6 million people”

            Where did I write something even remotely similar to what you are saying?

            “What you are really saying is that YOU think it would be a good reason.”

            Did I mess up my grammar somewhere or is this a product of your imagination?

            I do not wish for anyone to get killed, hence I support the notion that all ethnic groups need their own homeland.

          • David Ashton

            It seems impossible for some posters here to read what people say, let alone answer them sensibly. Maybe Frontpage Mag should tell them also to “Hold on” before they scrub out comments.

          • Martel

            I understand those of a Jewish background, as its the general rule within inter-ethnic communication is that it is difficult to control ones emotions. This has several causes, quite a few Jewish participants have strong prejudices, as exemplified by the most popular commentators,others may fear discussing these subjects. As you may know, a survey prior to 2000 pointed out that American Jews consider the events in worldwar two as one of the most important, if not the most important facts shaping Jewish identity. More so then the religious artefacts and traditions.

          • rebaaron

            It’s not your grammar that’s messed up. It’s your mind. The posts are right here. Reread them.

          • Martel

            I never said something remotely similar. I advise you to reread my previous statements. When you realize you were mistaken, do not feel ashamed, these things happen. Winston Churchill said something completely different, and he would never use this as an excuse for the tragic events during the second world war, but he did recognize why Jewish citizens were distrusted. When you have reread my statements, we can continue with this discussion. Its quite interesting.

            Also,how do you feel about the most popular statements in this comment sections (On the left, tick “sort by best”). They are quite aggressive and prejudiced towards Europeans, do you understand why this can be considered a source of ethnic tensions?

          • David Ashton

            See e.g. “The Illustrated London Herald”, February 8, 1920; Amy Iggulden, “The Churchill You Didn’t Know,” The Guardian, November 28, 2002 on-line; the references to General Denikin in Martin Gilbert, “Churchill and the Jews” (Holt, 2008). This answers your first sentence.

        • David Ashton

          Martin Gilbert’s “Churchill and the Jews” is worth consulting by all concerned, for most relevant facts.

          After the war against Germany not as a bystander but as a sympathizer with persecuted peoples, and then facing the rise of communism in eastern Europe and Asia, he said that “we are now in the grip of greater perils”.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Winston Churchill, the greatest man of the 20th century.

            Winston was NOT an appeaser, NOT a Socialist.

          • David Ashton

            And at least partly “European” though with a big dose of American and a small dose of Red Indian. Don’t forget to read what he said about Jewish Bolshevism, about Trotsky and the early achievement of Hitler. Do some study, learn from the rabbis, my son.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            There were no Gentile Bolsheviks?

            Do tell.

          • David Ashton

            Most Bolsheviks were not Jewish, but people of Jewish ancestry were very prominent indeed among their leaders and secret police. Details (if necessary) on request. Things changed slowly under Stalin, and more quickly between 1948 and his death in 1953.

    • David Ashton

      Europeans do not like Arabs better than Jews.

      • rebaaron

        Their governments do. They side with the Arabs against the Jews consistently, and constantly. If their governments are not speaking for them. They should vote them out – but they don’t.

        • David Ashton

          Tony Blair was an exception, maybe, but he also let in thousands of anti-Israel immigrants because of his “anti-racist” commitment.

    • Martel

      As David said, few Europeans prefer Arabs over Jews. Very few Europeans(natives) have great issues with the Jews, besides hardcore leftists.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Jews were around before the rise of Europe and will be around after the fall of Europe.

      • David Ashton

        “So there, all you trash, put that in your pipe and smoke it!” he shouts. (“We shall spit on your grave and your memory shall be blotted out,” he thinks?).

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Compare words with slaughter.

          Slaughter is the greater crime in civilized nations.

          That’s why Islamists get riled over cartoons, books of fiction like the Satanic Verses, apostates.

          • David Ashton

            Certain words can lead to slaughter, as Karl Marx, Julius Streicher and Ilya Ehrenburg amply demonstrated. My favorite example comes from the Bolshevik Commissar for Petrograd, before promotion as Comintern chieftain, Osvei-Gershon Aaronovich Radomyslovski Apfelbaum: “We must carry along with us 90 million out of the 100 million of Soviet Russia’s inhabitants. As for the rest…they must be annihilated.”

            We Europeans will rightly resist the efforts of others, however powerful, to engineer our downfall, whoever they are.

  • oneteedoffpatriot

    I’m just glad that the Jews have the State of Israel to fly to this time. When the last Jew leaves Europe, will you please turn out the light?

    • Martel

      If Europe becomes Islamized, Israel will have a difficult time surviving politically. It is already increasingly different now the radicals of the Obama administration have taken Israel policy into a different direction. As Europeans are becoming a minority in the US, the black and hispanic vote will become increasingly important in presidential elections, this does not bode well for Israelis either. The more intelligent approach would be to support European nationalism.

      • dartson

        “The more intelligent approach would be to support European nationalism”.
        Agreed, as long as this European nationalism does not turn into another version of national socialism that sides with Muslims against Jews and Zionists.

        • Martel

          I agree. Though European gentiles certainly have had some legitimate grievances against Jews, and Jews have had some legitimate grievances against European gentiles, for all ethnic groups have prejudices, fears, and political traditions which tend to clash, Jews and European gentiles (nationalists that is)could be allies. Cooperating with Muslims is simply foolish and destructive. The problem is, many Jews tend to support a historical narrative which is exceptionally biased against European gentiles, as long as this is the case, I feel uncomfortable being an ally of the Jewish people, Naturally I do applaud Jewish intellectuals and activists who do great work on other matters, such as exposing Islam.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Eurotrash, Just become a Muslim and all your problems will be over – because you can blame them on Jews, Americans, gays, girls who offend your family honor.

          • David Ashton

            Back to nutty land again.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Pot. Kettle.

      • Habbgun

        Actually it would not be intelligent to support European nationalism if that European nationalism claims that its problems stems from Jewish or American, or alien influences on its culture. If Europeans refuse to believe that their leftists and Jihad collaborators come from their own population and own culture and that needs to be rectified the whole idea of European nationalism is a nonstarter.

        Take responsibility. Fight for justice and work on your internal problems. Reaching out to allies and asserting that those same allies are actually the real source of your problems is a really duplicitous and ugly strategy. It means your loyalty is to your leftists because they are racially like you. You would just like to get your problems out of the way and sucker punch your “allies” after you are done. Everyone has caught on to Europe’s games. Sorry for the message.

        • Martel

          Interaction between different ethnic, cultural or religious groups always cause frictions and conflict. This is natural, I never stated I consider America or Jews the main source of our problems,but that does not mean I state the opposite either, that would be factually incorrect.

          Reaching out for allies is also necessary, but it is key that they consider you on equal terms, which obviously not the case right now. Its very clear that you view Europeans in a negative light, without proper arguments,while I judge both Jews and European gentiles according to the exact same standards. This is somehow offensive, yet Jewish intellectuals continually bash Europeans without considering actual sources of such conflicts within Europe. And how many Jews want white Americans and white Europeans to remain dominant majorities in their home countries?

          “Everyone has caught on to Europe’s games. Sorry for the message”

          Europe’s games?

  • Danny

    It’s not just a question of dignity, it’s a practical question of security. Aside from Muslim countries the highest occurrence of anti-Semitism is to be found in left-wing countries. That explains Greece. That should also be a tip-off to Jews about left-wing Jewish organizations such as Peace Now, who’s ethos is Jewish self hatred. American Jews need to do some serious soul searching after reading the ADL report. They need to stop voting for the Democrats. They need to be reminded that at the last Democratic national convention, Democrats overwhelmingly decided that Israel should not be considered a Jewish state. As for European Jews, where they decide to live is a simple question: Do they want to live a life of Jewish victimhood or do they want to live a live of Jewish strength. Europe represents Jewish victimhood, Israel represents the end of Jewish victimhood. Over the next decade, as Europe sinks further and further into debt caused by Left-wing politics, we will see anti-Semitism in Europe continue to rise. By the time Obama is done is term in office, and especially if the Democrats win the next election, anti-Semitism will continue to rise in America as well. Like I said, Jews need to do some serious soul searching in light of this ADL report.

    • Martel

      Mass-immigration explains Greece. The Greek people have a right to defend their nation from turning into a third world country, the greatest obstacle to such efforts is the international community, which Golden Dawn believes is largely a product of Jewish interests. I hope the Greeks find a peaceful way to defending their rights.

      • reader

        “The international community is largely a product of Jewish interests?” Are you trying to troll Golden Dawn by portraying them as idiots, or you’re genuinely impressed by their astuteness? In the latter case, I don’t even want to know what your IQ is.

        • Martel

          I’m not sure what you want, you misquote me and then seem upset I portray the Golden Dawn as idiots?

          I have no issues with Golden Dawn, as I find Greek sovereignty and the survival of the Greek people of much greater importance then the ideological differences I have with this movement. I would have rather seen a different movement take the lead, but as we see in the Netherlands, France and the UK, this usually leads to nothing, as the international community is indeed quite opposed to the indigenous rights of Europeans.

          • reader

            This is verbatim:
            “the greatest obstacle to such efforts is the international community, which Golden Dawn believes is largely a product of Jewish interests.”

            Wow. No wonder Greece is a cesspool of Europe. I just wonder when the Germans will get their own Independence Party and stop subsidizing useless and foulmouth deadbeats, who blame everybody else for their failures.

          • Martel

            That is indeed verbatim, I hope you can see the difference in meaning from your earlier quote. Greece is indeed a cesspool, a combination of mass-immigration and communist idealism turned it into something rotten. The analysis of Golden Dawn is correct on some points, though incorrect on others, but they currently are the only option for Greek voters who wish to defend their culture and sovereignty.

            I believe Golden Dawn also wishes the Germans to get their own Independence Party and stop subsidizing the Greeks, so you already have some common ground.

          • reader

            Rubbish and crap – distinction without difference. But there’s a difference between Independence anti-socialists and the nazis of Golden Dawn.

          • Martel

            Your first sentence is meaningless. Certainly there is a great difference between both groups, and I prefer the former, that is, if they support the right of Europeans and European Americans to protect their ethnic interests.

            I also prefer Golden Dawn over the other political parties in the Hellenic Republic, because I want Greeks to survive mass-immigration and the efforts of the international community to destroy their sovereignty. I care more about the future of the Greek people then I do about ideological differences.

            Do you prefer Golden Dawn or Syriza?

          • reader

            The Greeks are pathologically Jew hating people en mass, and Golden Dawn is first and foremost Jew hating party. Mass immigration my tush. Your “international community run by the Jewish interests” is as moronic as it is primitively bigoted as it gets. There’re no Jews left in Greece after WWII to speak of. Get off your *ss and try to make yourselves half-way productive.

          • Martel

            Ah, the Greeks are a sick people. What is your ethnic background?
            I can substantiate all my arguments, but you make bigoted statements about the Greeks and clearly do not care about their survival. Who saves the Greeks is of secondary important, if you would set up a Jewish party in Greece and do the same then I would support it. Do you even understand the consequences of mass-immigration in general or has FPM not informed you properly?

            PS: I never said the Jews run the international community. Calm down, its difficult to understand arguments when you are emotional.

          • reader

            Greeks are statistically the most Jew hating people in Europe. The highest percent of bigoted responses – similar to yours as to where the Greeks’ problem originate at. Of course, statistics is bigotry.

            “I never said the Jews run the international community.”

            “the greatest obstacle to such efforts is the international community, which Golden Dawn believes is largely a product of Jewish interests”

            Aren’t you Golden Dawn supporter? Not too smooth. And, by the way, I’m not Jewish. But I have Jewish relatives and their interests I very much take into account. So, be afraid! I got your number.

          • Martel

            When I say I don’t know those statistics, its always an idea to name the source & date of those statistics.

            ” Of course, statistics is bigotry.”

            Is it?

            I don’t think so.

            “Aren’t you Golden Dawn supporter?”

            I’m not a fan of their ideology, but I support any party who would restrict mass-immigration and push for Greek independence from the European Union. I care more about the survival of the Greek people then I do about ideological differences. For your worries about Jews, I see no compassion for the Greeks. Its odd claiming I am the bigot, unlike you I wish all people to remain safe from ethnic conflict.

          • reader

            Here it is:
            http://www.jewishpress.com/news/jewish-news/antisemitism-news/greece-the-most-anti-semitic-country-in-europe/2014/05/21/

            Also, I don’t believe that you’re unaware of these attitudes. You may be disenginuous in pretending, or – worse and more probable yet, – you’re a bigot accepting your compatriots’ bigotry as a norm. So, don’t whine for sympathy – not getting it from me. Immigration or no immigration, your people are mired by the choice between socialists, nazis and communists. Real and hopeless cesspool.

          • Martel

            Thanks for the link, I will have to see how valid the research in question is, as Golden Dawn did not do as well as I had hoped. All other parties seem to be pro mass immigration, which risks the safety and culture of the indigenous Greeks. Do you even care a tiny bit about this, or does your distaste for ephemeral political attitudes trump any concern about the future of these people?

            You keep making claims about me you cannot verify, its because you dislike my comments but find it difficult to refute them. If I cannot get sympathy from you, why do you expect sympathy from me for upsetting you with my political views?

            At least I can say I care about the well bring of all ethnic groups,including the Jewish people, you cannot. The most popular commentators in this comment section actually want to see Europeans suffer under Muslim immigration, quite disturbing for many gentile, but it foes not upset you at all. Could you point out anything I say which is immoral?

          • reader

            First of all, it’s a simple survey. There’s nothing to verify and no reason for ADL to manipulate it. Second of all, your and your compatriots immorality has nothing to do with the immigration stance. I and elated at the Danish DPP rise. Your immorality is in blaming the Jews for your failures. There’s nothing more rudimentary, stale and discussing than that – particularly for a European.

          • Martel

            I had to laugh at your first sentence, no offence, but no survey cannot be taken at face value. Especially if you are not familiar with the institution which performed the survey, the specifics of how they conducted the survey, sample size, sampling methodology etc.

            Nothing I said is immoral, if you consider it immoral, present your case and I will consider altering the way I phrase my sentences or the content of my commentary. My goal is to find common ground with the Jews, not to upset them.
            Blaming is a childish endeavour, I simply want history be written as it happened. The current historical narrative, often used in multiculturalist propaganda, is wrong and damaging to my cause.

          • David Ashton

            “We hate you, but you must love us”, is that it?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Eurabia moves closer to the abyss.

          • David Ashton

            Then why don’t you support my opposition to Muslim immigration into Britain and into other countries, and my wish to seek a modus vivendi with Jews who should share that opposition?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Ask your political leaders, your British media like the BBC, opinion makers, religious leaders like Rowan Williams.

          • reader

            oh, and stop giving yourselves pluses. It’s silly.

          • Martel

            Lol, I don’t give myself pluses. If you click on the plus you can see who gives someone an up vote..

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            “but as we see in the Netherlands, France and the UK, this usually leads to nothing”

            What do you think about the results of the recent EU elections?

          • Martel

            Not too bad, I’m excited about Marine Le Pen and De Winter doing well. Disappointed in Greece, and my own country. What do you think?

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            I’m just a little disappointed, but not too much. I believe it’s a good start.

          • Martel

            About which elections are you disappointed?

            We can expect Germany to enter the momentum at a late stage because of the post-ww2 trauma. I didn’t expect any changes as of now.

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            I changed my mind. I was too negative yesterday. I feared that the Dutch elections might set the tone for many other countries. The results of the EU elections in Germany were OK, but, of course, not yet what they should be.

            http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/05/26/this-is-an-earthquake-the-far-right-rises-as-eu-elections-signal-a-massive-shift-across-europe/

          • Martel

            Its not to bad. Things will not change through the voting booth.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      The Democrat party of today would not be recognized by JFK.

  • Marie Louise Noonan

    How’s David Duke getting along nowadays?

  • Atikva

    @ ProudJew
    Just a few hours ago, a man entered the Jewish Museum in Brussels and opened fire, killing three people and seriously wounding another one. A dozen of witnesses under chock are still being treated.

    A couple of days ago, the Brussels police had to use water cannons to disperse members of a new antisemitic group protesting against the ban of a grossly antisemitic show.

    In order to stand up to something, you’ve got to be alive. It’s too late for Jews in Europe now, the only choice they have is either leave and fight from abroad, or go underground and make war against the EU – without leaders or arms.

    • Martel

      “the only choice they have is either leave and fight from abroad, or go
      underground and make war against the EU – without leaders or arms.”

      This is not a new idea, Jews “fighting” from abroad against the gentile European has caused “anti-semitism” before.

      • Atikva

        Whatever they do or do not do, the Jews will always face antisemitism.

        • Martel

          Why do you think this is?
          And why is this different from any other ethnicity which has historically always been in ethnic conflict?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Jealousy.

            Muslims in Indonesia hate ethnic Chinese because they are “too successful”.

            Similarly Eurotrash hate America because it’s “too successful”.

          • Martel

            I know very few people who hate America, and I’m known as an Americanophile. I already debunked economic inequality as the main source of ”antisemitism” earlier, but indeed, natural inequalities do cause many tensions. Its the reason why conflict in America between whites, Hispanics and blacks is unavoidable, including the demise of the US.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Europeans and their wars cause anti-Europeanism.

  • Anamah

    Interesting article, however Milan is not in Spain… but in Italy.

    Maccabi Tel Aviv Israeli Basketball team played and won, against the Spanish team Real Madrid in Milano, Italy.

    Now, on the antisemitism point… if Progressive (Socialist) and Islamist are poisoning the whole planet spreading anti Jewish venom; what do you think is the safest reaction Jews can take?
    CAIR and others Islamist organizations as Soros network are behind every boycott trying to hurt Israel… Their Think-Tanks are 24/7 inventing new forms to offend and defame her, pushing to divest and even attack as Obama terrorist friends did with their Flotilla/Circus to break Israeli control of Gaza Port…so what you suggest for this Europeans Jewish to do?
    Do you say Jewish better let their European countries (all of them? ), that means retire from the continent when they have lived for so many centuries, for Islamist occupation?
    It would be better perhaps to discus the strategy with military strategist…
    I fear that may be the wrong logic…

    • Consider

      “Interesting article, however Milan is not in Spain… but in Italy.”
      …shows what an “expert” wrote this aritcle.

  • Martel

    The Dutch Rabbi obviously does not state its Muslims who call him a dirty Jew. Dutch Jews are despicably politically correct, as always, this means he has no issues vilifying white gentiles by incorrectly claiming they engage in immoral behaviour.

    ” For good. To leave it and not go back to it (to live, at least) for a long time, if ever.”

    I agree with this statement, all ethnic groups should move to their own homeland where possible.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      It must be easy to be a “morally flawed” people living in low life, “morally flawed” Eurabia.

  • stephen mccomb

    Not all Semites are Jews and not all Jews are Semites.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      All people are from Africa.

  • Joe The Gentile

    Obviously someone failed to stamp a hole in the floor this morning!

  • American1969

    Wow. This is the 1930′s all over again! Would someone PLEASE explain anti-Semitism? I just don’t get it.

    • Matt Dickinson

      Antisemitism encourages Jews to flee to Israel and be Jewish. If gentiles weren’t antisemtic they’d never go to Israel or attend synagogue. They wouldn’t remain separate. They’d marry non-Jews, which they have, because unfortunately lots of gentiles aren’t antisemitic. They love Jews. But if there was more antisemitism in the world there’d be less intermarriage, and then, paradoxically, more Jews for generations to come.

      • David Ashton

        The paradox is that the Zionist cause has an “interest” in antisemitism because it encourages aliyah. The sad truth is that Israel has not solved the problem of antisemitism, but stimulated it among Muslims and their immigrants and terrorists in western democracies.

        • Guest

          Well what I said made no sense. Of course antisemitism destroys Jews. It’s just I was thinking about how in the freest places, the nicest places, Jews mix in. And then they lose their identity.

          I don’t know why I think about it. I should go back to my video game sites.

          • Guest

            I don’t like what I said

          • Martel

            Many Jews fear “mixing in”. It is called the silent holocaust by some Jewish leaders.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          The success of Israel and the “sons of pigs and dogs” proves that the Koran is flawed.

          Koranic Congestive Dissonance.

        • Guest

          Ah finally, Now we understand that Jews are responsible for antisemtism. Who would have thought

          • David Ashton

            Mistakes and armed actions by Israelis are not the responsibility of all “the Jews”. There are causes and effects in human affairs, and few people in ethnic or international conflicts are totally exempt.

            On the question of “antisemitism” historically in various forms I have commented all too briefly elsewhere, if my relevant and moderate contributions have not been “moderated” into Disqus limbo.

            Why is this particular “hatred” also the “longest” and also according to the ADL also virtually universal?

            As well as studying standard works by writers like Poliakov, Katz and Wistrich, you should also consult writers like Bernard Lazare, Albert Lindemann and Norman Cantor.

    • Martel

      The 1930′s have absolutely nothing to do with this situation. “Antisemitism” is often considered to be a unique phenomenon, which is why it is difficult to understand. In fact, all ethnic groups get into a political conflict when they occupy the same territory. The Jews often have international loyalties which clash with the national loyalties of native gentiles, this is because unlike say, the Dutch or the German, Jews tend to identify (more) with their fellow Jews in the Jewish diaspora. I can give examples or further reading if you are interested in this issue.

      • American1969

        Yes, please—-list examples of more reading on this.
        I’m aware that anti-Semitism isn’t necessarily unique in history, but I’ve always wondered just what the deal was about the Jews, specifically. They seem to be targeted a lot.

        • Martel

          The position of the Jews indeed is not unique, it is most easily compared with the gypsies, who are also an international diaspora. Because of the international nature of Gypsies, who continually travel across the continent(s) without regard for national boundaries, they do not integrate within local communities and tend to show certain behavioural patterns which upset local populations. Across Europe, complaints about Gypsie populations are similar. Though the Jewish community differs strongly from the Gypsie community, this concept explains many of the issues surrounding resentment against Jews.

          Jews traditionally have a strong focus on academic and occupational success, perform well in IQ tests, and tend to be conscious of their position as a minority who often identify with the members of the Jewish Diaspora, sometimes more so then with their fellow citizens. Occupational success ensured that Jews are often quite visible in society, take the fact that Jews tend to own/run most major media corporations, and in terms of financing political campaigns, can be considered the most powerful ethnic group(per capita) within the US. This has often been the case in Jewish history.

          Jews also often feared the political movements within the gentile communities, one reason why Jewish intellectuals have developed ideologies promoting multiculturalism, and why Jewish special interest groups and Jewish financiers have often pushed these issues politically. The 1965 immigration act which allowed more non-white immigration into the US then ever before, was a product of Jewish political activism. When studying Jewish literature of that time, or observing political events within the Jewish community, you learn to understand that Jewish movements did so because they feared a rise of nationalism within gentile communities, which they considered the cause of “antisemitism”. Naturally many Jewish movements also had their own prejudices, exemplified by many Jewish leaders such as Joachim Prinz,

          In England after the second world war, there were riots caused by the fact that British Jews funded and supported Jews in the “Palestinian territories”. Throughout the histories of many European nations you find Jewish citizens often supportive of Jewish causes abroad, causing tensions with the natives. In this context, you can understand all ethnic conflicts. That is, all ethnic conflicts are caused by the following variables:

          1.Different genetic profiles
          2.Different cultural traditions
          3.Differing political interests and loyalties.

          The reason that Moroccans/Turkish immigrants in the Netherlands are increasingly in conflict with the native populations can be explained by these same three variables.

          To understand more about these issues, I would advise “Separation and its discontents” by kevin Macdonald. You can google the title and add”pdf” to find a copy. He is considered to be quite controversial, but this is obviously because it is a controversial subject. I do firmly believe that a more rational understanding of these issues would alleviate ethnic tensions, instead of increasing them as many currently seemed to believe.

          • American1969

            Thanks for that info. Very interesting and informative posts.

          • Matt Dickinson

            Jews aren’t anything like gypsies.

          • Martel

            They are both international communities with distinct patterns of behaviour which differentiate them from local native communities.

            Naturally they differ genetically, culturally and religiously.

          • Matt Dickinson

            oh baloney

          • Martel

            No its a proper argument. I used gypsies to make a comparison of an international diaspora which conflicts with local communities. This is quite clear.

          • Matt Dickinson

            My last comment did not go through (at least not yet), but here is another:

            http://pamelageller.com/2014/05/two-jewish-men-beaten-within-inch-lives-outside-paris-suburb-synagogue.html/

            Another reason for Jews to leave Europe or at least fight back.

          • Martel

            I read your comment and I agree, though I cannot reply. I never stated Jews and Gypsies are even remotely comparable in terms of general behavioural patterns.

            I read about this attack just an half hour ago, unfortunately, as the Muslim population grows, this becomes increasingly common. More Jews should speak out about this, though, like the Dutch Rabbi in the article, they make general, misguided statements about “antisemitism”which incorrectly implicate European gentiles in such trends.

          • Matt Dickinson

            Their heads are in the clouds.They’re very intellectual and they don’t see the danger of real violence.

          • Martel

            During the 20th and 21th century we have learned that high intelligence is not synonymous with the ability to think rationally.

          • Matt Dickinson

            They would be safer in space than in Israel. Going to Israel is putting all your eggs in one basket. At least in outer space there is plenty of room to zip around, hide, get to other places.

            All those Jewish science fiction writers of the 20th century were incredibly smart and it’s too bad the American space services have been so slow to really get anywhere.

            Does Israel even have a space agency?

            They could at least use Nazi-designed space rockets, like the Saturn 5, to zip away to “the heavens,” to outer space, should they have no where else to go. If all the Arabs and White Gentiles and Asians around them, and black people… everyone!!! When they all crowd around, where do they go? Underground bunkers in Israel? Probably that would violate historic sites like where Moses walked or something. So you need rockets to get away.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The Eurotrash professors, doctors, lawyers who supported Fascist Socialist German prove that education is no protection from being evil.

          • Martel

            Education is mostly used to ”master” the popular fallacies and flawed theories of the day in order to improve ones social status. Actual crafts excluded obviously.

            The “Jewtrash” professor,to use your terminology, who taught Marxism and cultural Marxism in institutions such as Colombia university likewise proved your comment to be generally true.

          • Matt Dickinson

            Jews don’t understand that gentiles actually just like murder. They enjoy killing other people. They always think they can teach us differently or somehow lead us to the light.

            So there doesn’t have to be any reasons for antisemitism. People kill jews because they want to kill someone. People enjoy horror movies. They like going to war. They enjoy fist fights. They like boxing. UFC. Probably Jews are the same way.

            I know Jews are the same way. They’re just human-animals like everybody else.

            they don’t even care about the Bible. Most Jews are atheists.

            They think that it’s funny and lame that people have religious beliefs.

            Or it’s “quaint.” Maybe they find it quaint. But they can’t help but smirk when thinking about it, it seems

          • David Ashton

            “All Gentiles enjoy murdering people. That’s all there is to ‘antisemitism’. All Jews are harmless and holy people, always victims and never offenders, whereas all the other peoples on the planet are actual or potential killers, and especially killers of Jews.” Is this thesis credible?

          • David Ashton

            The lady quoted once suggested that Israel should obliterate all us European men, women and children by nuclear weapons if the Arabs get the better of the Israelis.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Same applies to internationalist Eurotrash Brits with distinct patterns of behaviour which differentiate them from local native communities.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The strange fact is that all the laws Europeans placed on Jews, outlawing Jews from owning land, limiting their participation in various occupations, forcing Jew to become money lenders, had the opposite effect – made Jews focus on education (can’t steal what’s in your head).

            Eurabia is in a tailspin.

          • David Ashton

            Deuteronomy 23.20. Read Jacques Attali and Jerry Muller on the history of Jewish money-lending. Jews are highly literate and excellent financiers, so perhaps you came out OK after all.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            I don’t think 6 million dead Jews in the Holocaust is coming out OK.

    • David Ashton

      Our previous UK Chief Rabbi (a pretty good egg in my probably unwanted Gentile “right-wing” opinion) said there were three phases: (1) Religious anti-Judaism both Christian and Muslim; (2) racial antisemitism from the Emancipation to Holocaust; and (3) anti-Israel anti-Zionism. Different causes, and different results. It is naive to suppose that Jewish attitudes and activities have never had any responsibility at all for this cruel problem. Read Alfred Lindemann’s (albeit imperfect) “Esau’s Tears” for a less self-righteous view of lachrymose injured innocence.

      • Matt Dickinson

        There’s never any excuse for murdering people like that guy did just recently at the museum in Belgium, which this article seems to be so appropriate for (it ought to have an addendum added now). The Jews could say all sorts of horrible things to “enrage” the people, but that isn’t reason to kill them, or to kill anybody.

        You’re seeing the antisemites as victims.

        • David Ashton

          As a general rule I think all adult murderers should be executed, including antisemitic murderers. As I said once to a local Jewish friend, some Jews have been annoying at times but many Gentiles have been violent in response. I do not see any murderers as victims, and I do not see “the antisemites as victims”.

          Other people may have entertained “antisemitic” views for “reasons”, however ill-conceived, such as opposition to cattle slaughter without stunning, or because they had some unfortunate experience from Bela Kun’s secret police or some West Bank settlers, or because they were “enraged” by references to Jesus in the Talmud, or because they lost money from some financial fraud, or because they read books by writers as diverse as Kevin MacDonald, Carlo Mattogno, Gilad Atzmon or Nesta Webster, but even that is no reason to hate all Jews, let alone physically to harm any of them.

          The above principles I have expressed all my adult life. However, I shall criticize Jews and/or “Jewish” activities as I see fit, and also express the view that it may not actually help them to go overboard in matters like Holocaust Education.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            And Americans can continue to see Britain as a failed state – in its death throes, jealous of America and resilient Israel which contrary to the expectations of British elites, prevailed in 1948, just 3 years after the end of WW2 and the Holocaust.

          • Martel

            America is dying. It used the sadden me as I admire the resolve and I must say, well intentioned naiveté of conservative Americans, but I cannot see a bright future. Unlike many European nations, there is not even a single relevant political party in the US successfully addressing this decline.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Keep your Eurabian dreams. The US is not a feminized appeasing Socialist hellhole like Eurabia.

          • Martel

            I dream of a united Europe, no longer ashamed of their ancestry. Its your President who dreams about Eurabia, and demographically, the US is lost. Half of all young Americans are “minorities”, good luck with your multicultural nightmare.

  • Neville Isnt

    So some idiots posted messages of hate. Maybe they should go visit an Oncology ward. Dopes! Anyone who goes that crazy over sport must be a useless eater anyway. Here we have a extremely large Universe and infinite Time and such a short time for living. And Humans get all fired up over some soccer game! Pathetic… Now equate that to how the 1% view a lot of people. Can you blame them? The sooner we get rid of religion and sport and focus more on Art and Science the better. And I do not mean science as in take advantage of other species thru experiments.

  • c0mm0ncenz

    This is ironic – this meeting of Jews was held in Brussels, and the latest terror attack occurred in a Jewish Museum in Brussels. There is only one place that is safe for Jews, and that’s Israel. It’s the safest because we have the best army and because our CEO is G0d. His promises guarantee our safety here, so y’all need to come home to Israel. Here rabbis walking down the street mainly need to worry about people coming up to them to ask Torah questions!

  • Dyer’s Eve

    To the Jewish people of Europe: Don’t let the bastards win.

    • Martel

      Who are the bastards?

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        You and your ilk silly.

        • Martel

          How can there be anything wrong with protecting Europeans and European Americans against mass-immigration and debunking an obviously false historical narrative?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Eurotrash aren’t protecting anything. Not their women, or culture or minorities. They are submitting – to their Islamist overlords..

          • Martel

            Only Europe has anti-Islamic political parties. The Republicans and Democrats both pander to “the religion of peace”. Thanks for confirming the amount of hatred certain ethnic groups have for the European people, it is inspiring.

          • David Ashton

            Loony tunes again.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Twilight Zone again.

  • Rosasolis

    Although antisemitism still does exist in Europe, it exists all over the world.
    The growth of the Islamic population, and the threat this is causing for our
    Western civilization (Christian/Jewish), should be of foremost concern to Europe,
    and North-America. Soon the Islam will take over all of the Middle-east , Africa,
    and many countries in Asia. It is now time for Christians and Jews to join
    together, if our western civilization is to servive and even hope for a future.
    Recently V. Putin declared in a speech that antisemitism is not and will not
    be tolerated in Russia!
    Christians should become more aware of the roots of their faith.
    The lessons and psalms from the Old Testament are still read in the
    Sunday church services. Along with the Christian calender and hollidays. Jews should have more contact with Christians, and learn more of the teachings of Jesus who was also a Jew! Many devoted Christians were also victims
    of the holocaust during WW2. One of the most famous Christians was
    Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a pastor of the Lutheran Church, who had helped many Jews escape, and go into hiding. The Nazi’s hanged him in a public square.
    During WW2 many Christians gave their lives, or risked their lives to help Jews
    of all ages, in cities, villages, and farms.
    The incredible growth of the Islam and their plans for world domination
    (as written in the Koran), should convince Christians and Jews to put your
    feelings for distrust and/or discrimination aside and
    begin Bible studies, Old and New Testament…with Christians and Jews together. We need each other now more than ever!

    • Martel

      You overstate the religious aspects of these issues. I agree that Jews and European gentiles should overcome their feelings of distrust, though its mostly the Jews who distrust the European gentile. This is obviously caused by the aftermath of the Jewish-Gentile conflicts during the early 20th century, and also an incorrect interpretation of the issues which led to the rise of National Socialists and the believe of Germans(and most other Europeans) that Jews had conflicting loyalties.

      The survival of Western civilization has little to do with healthy relations between Jews and European gentiles(though it would certainly help to have Jews supporting us and vice versa), but the fact that European gentiles need to assert their indigenous rights again, in the USA, this means whites should understand they have to protect their right to defend their dominant position,. and again value the cultural and intellectual contributions of their ancestors. White guilt is what killing Western civilization, nothing else.

      • Rosasolis

        Under the true ( European) Christians, there are no “Gentiles”.
        We dislike this word! All Humans were created to live together and to help and support each other!
        Colour must NEVER EVER be the factor to separate any
        population groeps! Many years ago I came to Europe as a young
        singer to learn more about the concert and oratorio traditions. One of my favourite singers was
        Marian Anderson, who was a coloured woman and a very devoted
        Christian, with such a beautiful voice and great talent!
        Although you in America are now suffering under a terrible
        government, you do have support from many coloured people!
        You should be grateful for wonderful honest people like
        Condoleesa Rice and more recently Allen West!
        Try to forget your racist vieuws and learn more about people –
        Christians, Jews, athiests, people with a light colour or a
        dark colour. If you like music, then listen to the beautiful
        oratorio written by J. Haydn: The Creation!

        • Martel

          I’m actually a European, such as yourself apparently. All ethnic groups differ, from an evolutionary perspective there is no other option. In the US over 90% of all Blacks vote democrat, you hardly ever see blacks at conservative conferences because conservative ideology is a product of European culture. Blacks do not, and will never identify in large numbers with conservative ideology. One reason is that it is difficult for most blacks to succeed in sophisticated economies to the degree that whites and Asians are able too.

          Its not “racism” which causes Blacks to dominate certain sports, its not “racism” which causes Asian immigrants and Europeans to dominate academia, this is caused by genetic differences. To claim Germans,Arabs, Chinese, and Nigerians are the same is to be ignorant of the many cultural and genetic differences which we can observe between these groups.

          Are you in favour of more non-Western immigration into your country?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Please stay on your pile of rocks in the North Atlantic.

          • Martel

            No I will travel to America as frequently as I can, because its a beautiful country and I enjoy talking to gentile Americans about these issues. They tend to be quite receptive as the historical narrative shoved down their throats is so clearly wrong, Illogical and damaging. I also try to find ways to help Jews react more sensibly to my obviously reasonable statements. I understand Jews fear another rise of ”European antisemitism”, as they do not understand what caused these events in the first place.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            If you manage to make it to the US, I hope you are searched thoroughly at our airport checkpoints – with a cavity search – the cavity above your neck.

            European Islamofascism seems to your latest challenge. I expect your country of panty waists to submit to your Islamist masters.

          • Martel

            Many FPM readers for some reason wish Europeans to succumb to Muslim immigration. I don’t know why, I don’t wish any nation to be taken over by Muslims.

            You seem to have some issues.

            PS: I am always treated with courtesy at the border, reading your comments, its the likes of you they should be worrying about ^^

          • Rosasolis

            The thousands of uneducated illegal “immigrants” who
            are now arriving every week from the Middle-east and Africa are destroying Europe. Because most Europeans
            realize this, the results recent EU elections, held just a few days ago, have proven that this nightmare can no longer
            continue! The socialists were the greatest loosers,
            and the United Christian parties were the winners. In fact
            in France the Socialists are now replaced by the
            Ultra Right party. Many people in Netherlands and the UK
            want our countries to drop out of the EU, but the election
            has shown that the majority still want to continue.
            BUT the refugee and immigration system must chance
            immediately, or else the EU will break apart within 2 years!
            We don’t like extreme radicals like
            Geert Wilders (Netherlands) and Marie le Pin (France).
            But we do understand that Europe can not longer
            accept and intergrate anymore illegal immigrants.
            The Christian parties also understand the growing threat
            from the Islam, and planning to put a stop this mass
            immigration of people who do not belong here!
            I hope America can and will learn from this hard
            lesson, from Europe!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Remember that in India the BJP won election. Less Muslim appeasement is good for the world.

            That’s the difference between the US and Eurabia.

            The US has separation between church and state.

            Eurabia needs to modernize and drop its failed policies.

          • Martel

            There is nothing radical or extreme about Geert Wilders or Marine Le Pen, such views seem inspired by the leftist media. The radicals are those who force Europe to succumb under the pressure of mass-immigration. A recent study from the Netherlands showed that most students voted for D66, a Dutch Europhile party, but had no clue why they did so.

  • David Ashton

    Do you deeply hate all Europeans as “scum” or only some of us? Are we all “garbage” fit only for the “gas-ovens”?

    • http://www.banliberals.com/ Ban Liberals

      Only Europeans who bow(ed) to Islam, are Jew-haters, and anti-gun morons like your Piers Morgan.

      Unfortunately Europeans tend to be a bit weak-kneed these days, like American liberals, who also fall into a generalized category of nincompoop “scum.”

      • David Ashton

        In Britain we are not permitted guns for self-defense. Black gangsters can get them pretty easily. I have no sympathy for “liberals”, oppose Islam, and criticize some Jews without hatred for them or any other people.

        • http://www.banliberals.com/ Ban Liberals

          Quite a sensible and fair response. Can’t disagree, and respect what you say.

        • Habbgun

          Of course you are not allowed guns. Great idea sending a British anti-gun activist to the United States. Just how much trouble is America to suffer from such people?

          • David Ashton

            Do you think we as a nation sent that twit to USA? He is constantly satirized in our papers. His tedious interviews rely on sexual inquiry. He is known in the UK as Piers Moron.

            Anyway you Americans can be left to argue about gun control after the recent Californian spree. I can tell you I personally am tired of Britain suffering films about gunfight splatter, car crashes and burning buildings, which come from Hollywood (no Jewish responsibility there, of course).

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            I agree that current Hollywood films are garbage.

            Guns, explosions, crashes – in iMax.

            Your Britcoms with laaugh tracks, rehashing your past, studying junkies, Dr. Who Gives a Crap – are BORING.

            Alfred Hitchcock had his greatest success in America – not in the UK.

      • Drakken

        You will be amazed at how fast a European can go from zero to nationalist in a half a heart beat.

  • MrUniteUs1

    Jewish college student shot 14 in Santa Barbara Friday night. He killed 7 including a Jewish female student. Ironically his father was an assistant director for the movie the Hunger games, a movie about young people killing each other. My prayers go out to the family and friends of those that lost loved ones.

    • Guest

      He was Jewish?

  • tickletik

    Been saying this for years. They have to get out. We have a country, it’s time to live in it.

    • Atikva

      ..to live in it, or anywhere else if they wish. Like anybody else.

      • tickletik

        Take a look at the comments in this section by David Ashton and Martel. These are both intelligent men, and I know they are not alone, how effective do you think your strategy of “living .., anywhere … like anybody else” is going to be when this is what you will be dealing with?

        More blunt: we’ve been trying that for two millennia. When we started there were as many Jews as there were Romans. Two millennia later, their population is now nearing hundreds of millions spread out across the globe, ours has been nearly hunted to extinction at least twice, and the most we can say is that we’ve maintained our original numbers.

        Bottom line: Your strategy is a recipe for failure. Figure it out now, or others will figure it out for you.

        • Atikva

          I have no strategy of any kind. If I were Jewish I would have made alyah a long time ago because Israel is a great country. As a Christian I chose America over Europe because I chose freedom over socialism.

          Yes, the Jews in Europe are in danger and should think of leaving it, but it is up to them to decide where to immigrate. Actually, many will stay because they love their homeland and are determined to fight for it along with the goyim. It is their choice and I respect that even if I deplore it.

          PS: Far from having reached “hundred of millions”, the Romans have disappeared as a distinct community a long time ago along with many others, like Egypt who has totally lost its identity. While visiting Rome many years ago, I heard a father say to his son under the Arch of Titus: “See, the Romans are gone, but we are still here”. He was right, of course. Numbers are not everything, quality is.

          • tickletik

            :D

        • David Ashton

          When asked, I said Jews should be free to live anywhere they choose. Is that antisemitism? If you and other Jews choose to live in Israel, I don’t mind. Is that antisemitism too? What threat do you think I present to you or any other Jew(s)? I have merely dared to ask Jews to look at themselves more thoughtfully. Why should that entail an existential danger, rather than a prudent survival technique?

        • Martel

          Unlike David, I prefer the majority of Jews to settle in Israel, mostly because of the fact that the vast majority of Jews I talk to are exceptionally sensitive towards criticism. The problem with this is, as you know, that white gentiles are subjected to incredibly biased criticism from boy/girlhood onwards. Most Europeans consider themselves the descendants of “antisemites, racists, colonialists, the founders of the slave trade, and imperialists”. This criticism is overwhelming, and fuels the fears of Europeans to defend their cultures and ethnic sovereignty..

          My only objective is to help my fellow Europeans regain their cultural confidence so they may defend our cultures. I understand the fears of many Jews for criticism, this is the reason the abuse of many posters here does not bother me, but these fears are invalid, as I can easily demonstrate. My hopes are to become allies on equal footing with Jews, for both practically and historically justified purposes. As the cultural marxists are turning on the Jewish right to a homeland and ethnic identity, we certainly have much in common.Besides, if you extrapolate current trends, you will see Jews and Europeans need each other to survive in the future.

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    Ban Liberals AKBARRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    SCREW Socialist, self destructing, appeasing Europe.

  • hktony

    anti semetism is strange. Why would you hate jews. Even if you do so what. Quite honestly I also hate alot of people. Americans they are pretty crappy on the whole but I certainly dont want to kill them. French, horrible people, The germans, stiff and boring, and the English smug and arrogant. I could go on but I like some english and german people. I dont want to kill a soul. The problem is these people just really hate. You dont get hells angels haters, or anti hells angels groups. If the jews said you point at me and I break your face im pretty sure they would hate someone less dangerous. Its normal to hate something but just let it go! I must admit that odimbo guy is difficult not to hate.

  • jeffaral

    The safest country for Jews isn’t Israel, it’s the Jewnited States!

    • LovelyNordicHeidi

      Wie geht’s, Jeff?

  • Joe The Gentile

    “Your mention of Jesus and things that happened 2000
    years ago is so risible”

    I am not sure you understand the context. Have you read my posts properly? It is clear that I consider the claim that Jews murdered Jesus to be a slander.

    ,”It looks to me like your caviling about this point is just a way for you to mask your own anti-Jewish feelings.”

    When I pull feminists up on flawed feminist philosophy, the accusation of being anti-woman comes out eventually, but usually only when I have decisively won the argument. Do we have a pattern here?

    The validity of collective guilt is even of itself questionable, but I’m not going to delve into that right now. Whatever about Germans, it is very wrong to blame ‘Europeans’ for the Holocaust, and certainly hateful to revel in their possible destruction. The British and Irish, Europeans both, did not participate in the Holocaust at all, but that is hardly the point. This is what I’m talking about in this thread.

    That being said, I do not dispute at all that antisemitism was a huge part of the Holocaust; that antisemitism was prevalent in Europe and helped fuel the Holocaust; and that the Holocaust was mass murder of the most evil kind.

    You have expressly admitted that seeing the destruction of Europe by Islam gives you pleasure and and is ‘Justice being served’. You are manifesting a hatred of Gentile Europeans and can see none of it; please do not project a hatred of Jews on me, because I have none.

  • David Ashton

    Collective guilt, really? Are you responsible for Deir Yasin, or the tortures done by “Jews” in Cheka jails, or the atrocities described by Gibbon, or the genocides recorded in the Tanach?

  • Bulan Sabriel

    Europe is committing suicide with the #EUSSR / #EURABIA and the importation of #muslimhoardes to replace indigenous peoples. And everyone seems to blame the Jews for everything : capitalism, communism, corporatism, the free market, nationalism, transnationalism, atheism and being too religious all at once.
    Europe is once again becoming inhospitable. But I disagree with the author. We must save Europe from itself.

    • Martel

      Its quite a rare to find Europeans who blame Jews for anything, let alone the entire list of issues you have listed. Hostility against the Jews will increase, as Muslim immigrants will force Europeans to take a stand in the conflict, and being critical of the coloured Muslims is simply more difficult then opposing the white Jew.Friendships between Muslims and gentile Europeans will also infect the latter with anti-Jewish views, this is already increasingly common. The only solution is saving Europeans from their poor self image, and handing them the tools to inspect and evaluate all ethnic groups and cultures. When Europeans learn that all ethnic /religious groups have certain better and lesser qualities, no one of sane mind would prefer the Muslim over the Jew. Europeans have shown no objections to selfcriticism, its time to apply this criticism to all peoples.

      • LHathaway

        Very good. Argued with an awareness and strength of pen I do not possess. Personally, however, I prefer to not talk about Jews at all. Not to ‘rob them of power’ or influence, the way, say, those in the press never talk about white issue or even as if whites exist at all (outside the role of oppressors to one degree or another) but simply talking about them in any way (that i know of) brings up the charges of anti-semitism. The same might be said of africans and racism. Well, let’s be realistic, any good, wholesome, beneficial program for humanity that we could possibly bring up has already been tied to racism in an effort to discredit it. They’ve succeeded. The trick is merely for the ‘muslim’ invaders to see their their agenda (that they’re allowed to have and are successfully implimenting) is anti-society. Then they will vote republican. . . and then all our problems will be solved.

      • SoulInvictus

        Eject both and voila, no problem.

  • http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/ TGSNTtv

    “The only remaining dignified response is for Jews to bid Europe adieu”…… if only there were some dignified Jews.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Go play der fuhurer in def bunker on April 30, 1945.

  • Roman Melnychuk

    Screw the JEWS ! Get out of Europe we won’t miss you !! Christ killers !

  • herb benty

    Well “David”, my outlook is what the above article reveals. Your arrogance, my “eloquent testimony” is Nothing compared to the evil that has come against the Jewish people in Europe and the Muslim world. Your “logic” is laughable to God….and me.

    • David Ashton

      I would have thought to assert what is “laughable” to a Supreme Being is more arrogant than anything I have tried to say.

      • herb benty

        I was quoting the Bible. God said all of man’s machinations against Him, and their vain philosophy amounts to absolutely nothing. Evil however, will be judged. That muslim in Belgium that killed a couple who were on vacation at the Jewish Museum the other day. A man and woman, on vacation looking in a museum and murdered for WHO THEY ARE. This is what I’m interested in, not your mindset.

        • David Ashton

          My mindset is against all murder, big or small, whatever the motive, whoever the victim.

          • herb benty

            Good for you, bye.

  • 300bpm

    Scratch most Europeans, and underneath you’ll find a fascist. That is . . . a fascist who wants free healthcare and doesn’t want to go to work ;-)

  • LovelyNordicHeidi

    I was thinking…. Narcissists are “A bit full of themselves, self-centered, and don’t seem too concerned about the effects they have on other people.” The latter especially applies to JE. He does not care about what others think about their race being destroyed through mass immigration and mass miscegenation. He is self-centered when he talks about what he likes, i.e. miscegenation with Yellows. Also, JE thinks he is morally superior to everyone else, as he constantly plays the martyr, while he is the one who attacks our race. I think that it is better to start analysing him as a narcissist from now on. He is not autistic, but narcissistic. That’s what we should have concluded a long time ago.

  • Bulan Sabriel

    I have engaged you here and in other discussions.

    “Joe the Gentile” is falling for the same grievance which leads Jews to support the left. Grievance blinds people to reason and reality. Not all Europeans are responsible for antisemitism and the Holocaust. Most JEws have nothing to do with communist atrocities. The compication is that the Nazis and their allied claimed wrongly to be acting for Europe.

    Exactly what reasonable solutions do you propose?

    PS. You might be interested in Lawrence Auster’s work.

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/012484.html

  • Bulan Sabriel

    I was speaking about “Joe the Gentile”, who is lost perspective and sense of reality because of grievances. I was not talking about all gentiles.
    Plenty of Jews have acted. in bad faith. Because of historical grievances they distrust Christianity and nationalism. In their anti-majoritarianism, they are no different than diaspora Irish.
    Then there are the cutlural Marxists, who may have Jewish ancestry but are apostates dedicated to destroy Judaism and Israel, as much as Christianity and European Nations. It is wrong to conflate the two groups. Jews driven by grievance can still be argued with. Cultural marxists of any heritage and abject evil.

  • David Ashton

    The “problem” is to secure co-existence or better still co-operation between Jews and non-Jewish white nationalists in the shared interest of the protection and survival of western civilization. We can learn from past mistakes and horrors, but there is no need to repeat them.

  • Joe The Gentile

    You, Bulan Sabriel, have accused me of ‘prejudice’, ‘bigotry’, ‘grievance’, being a ‘white nationalist’ and a ‘hypocrite’ and losing perspective and ‘sense of reality’.

    As Martel has kindly pointed out, I have accused Jews in general of nothing so far in the thread. I don’t support the idea that the Jews murdered Christ, or that the Bolshevism was a Jewish phenomenon, and I have made it clear in several posts that I consider these to be slanders.

    For addressing, at the top of this subthread, the very real antigentile, anti-european hatred entailed in the claim that ‘Europeans murdered six million Jews’ and the delight and fun in the idea of their distruction, which hatred is obvious here to anyone who is neutral, all these insults and ad-hominem attacks have followed, including

    I have compared the slander against Europeans here with the slander against the Jews, while remaining clearly opposed to both. I draw parallels between the claim that ‘Europeans murdered six million Jews’ and ‘Jews murdered Christ’, the parallels being that putting the word ‘some’ in the right place can make them correct in a strict sense, and to illustrate that the claim of ‘truth’ as a defense against slander is hollow if the slanderous statement is over-generalized and blames the innocent.

    That’s what I’ve done in this thread. Nothing more. Volleys of abuse have followed, including from Bulan Sabriel above, who seems to be an otherwise intelligent and well-meaning man, but who has a huge blind spot and is acting out of it.

    This does not make me abandon the cause of Jew-Gentile harmony, nor to lose my support for Israel and for Jewish security. All it has done is make me a bit more wise. Martel was right that I was naive; I had something to learn. This is simply that there is a significant phenomenon of hatefulness towards Gentile Europeans among conservative Jews. This is something I presume Martel already knew and accepted as part of inevitable ‘ethnic tensions’. I do not and have never denied a hatefulness towards Jews among Gentile Europeans; I suppose I was naive in not expecting a lot of it going the other way.