Obama’s Middle East Fantasies

P. David Hornik is a freelance writer and translator living in Beersheva and author of the book Choosing Life in Israel. 


obama_islam“With respect to Israel,” President Obama said in his interview this week to the New Yorker,

the interests of Israel in stability and security are actually very closely aligned with the interests of the Sunni states…. What’s preventing them from entering into even an informal alliance with at least normalized diplomatic relations is not that their interests are profoundly in conflict but the Palestinian issue, as well as a long history of anti-Semitism that’s developed over the course of decades there, and anti-Arab sentiment that’s increased inside of Israel based on seeing buses being blown up.

Obama meant, of course, an alliance against Shiite Iran. Indeed, Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu has referred several times to behind-the-scenes cooperation between Israel and Sunni Arab states against the Iranian threat. The catch is “behind the scenes”; Israel is still too much the regional pariah to bring these interactions out in the open.

Obama adduces the Palestinian issue and Arab anti-Semitism going back “decades” as the factors preventing an “informal alliance” and “diplomatic relations.” The implication is that these problems—along with Israeli “anti-Arab sentiment”—can be overcome. The administration, spearheaded by Secretary of State Kerry, has indeed thrown itself headlong into another round of the “Israeli-Palestinian peace process.”

The problems with Obama’s take on the matter, however, begin with the word “decades.”

On that point the Daily Caller turned to experts Andrew Bostom and Robert Spencer, both of whom observed that “Arab”—more properly Muslim—anti-Semitism goes back to the Quran and the dawn of Islam.

In Bostom’s view, “You’re dealing with an intractable situation, and people hate intractable situations…diplomats are the worst.”

As Spencer put it:

No well-informed individual could possibly think himself capable of overturning hatreds that are founded in religious texts that are over a millennium old and are still revered by hundreds of millions of people as the perfect and unalterable word of the deity.

Who’s right? A good way to find out is to look at the behavior of the Sunni Arab states. If the Palestinian issue were really what was bugging them, along with some anti-Semitism that doesn’t run too deep, then presumably they would encourage the Palestinians to make peace with Israel—thereby clearing the way to a valuable alliance against Iran.

That, however, is not what they do.

Netanyahu said this week: “If the Palestinians expect me and my people to recognize a nation state for the Palestinian people, surely we can expect them to recognize a nation state for the Jewish people.”

Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas said two days earlier: “Palestine can never recognize Israel as a Jewish state.”

If the Sunni Arab states were concerned to break this impasse—one of the major ones in the talks—one might think they could try nudging Abbas past his intransigent position. Actually, they do the opposite. It was reported on January 13 that nine Arab League foreign ministers had

notified…Kerry…that they will not accept Israel as a Jewish state…. Palestinian Authority Foreign Minister Riyad Al-Malki told the official daily Al-Ayyam [that] “A clear and unified Arab and Palestinian position was presented [to Kerry] rejecting the recognition of Israel as a Jewish state….

If the “Palestinian issue” were really—as conceived by Obama and so many others—Israel’s presence in the West Bank and the lack of Palestinian sovereignty there, and it could be resolved by Israeli withdrawal and the establishment of a Palestinian state there, why should the Jewishness of the remaining state of Israel pose such a problem?

The answer is that it poses a problem in Islamic terms—for the Palestinians and the Sunni Arab states—given the Islamic status of all of “Palestine” as a wakf where Jewish sovereignty is unthinkable.

Whoever has trouble believing this could note a video posted Tuesday on the Facebook page of Fatah—the movement Abbas heads, considered “moderate” and “secular.” In the video, as Palestinian Media Watch describes it, “a masked man in uniform standing in front of a group of other masked men, all of whom are holding weapons,” addresses Israel and says:

We swear to you that we will turn the beloved [Gaza] Strip into a graveyard for your soldiers, and we will turn Tel Aviv into a ball of fire.

That is, not only Gaza but also Tel Aviv, well within the part of Israel that is supposed to remain after the “two-state solution.” Again, if the Sunni Arab states really wanted progress on the “Palestinian issue,” they could pressure Abbas to get his movement to stop making such incendiary displays, which are hardly encouraging to Israel. Of course, they do no such thing.

The upshot? It is not that Israel cannot tacitly cooperate with Sunni Arab states, cannot successfully deter them from military aggression, and that these states’ pragmatic interests never dictate nonbelligerency or even “cold peace” (Egypt, Jordan) with Israel. All that can happen and does.

It does mean that the quest for a melodramatic resolution of all problems, based on a Palestinian state, remains as delusory as ever, and that instead of obsessively pursuing that chimera and subjecting Israel to constant corrosive pressure, the U.S. could appreciate Israel as an ally radically more democratic and advanced than its neighbors and treat it accordingly.

Clearly, in its remaining time, the Obama administration will not undergo such a transformation. One can hope some future administration will adopt that wiser approach.

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  • Tzipporah

    Obama is not interested in a peaceful solution. He lies and distorts reality on everything. Disinformation and Deception is a common practice. The aim is to destabilize the Middle East and the United States. I think Egypt is starting to understand the process after Obama revealed his continued support for the Muslim Brotherhood and Morsi.

    • wildjew

      And to think Americans elected this very dangerous man and then re-elected him. I see a very bad turn for the worse for this country unless Americans come to their senses.

      • defcon 4

        Elected? Or voter fraud? I think the latter, at least in his “re-election”.

        • wildjew

          Even Limbaugh (I don’t always agree with him) tells listeners there isn’t (wasn’t) enough voter fraud to elect Obama. Remember Rush Limbaugh kept assuring his listeners that Romney would beat Obama even though the polls near the end showed Obama ahead by a few points. After the 2012 elections, Limbaugh acknowledged this was the first time he did not believe the polls were accurate. He was wrong and he acknowledged he was wrong. They (the polls) were accurate. Romney was a disaster of a candidate. I knew it. Why didn’t Limbaugh?

          • defcon 4

            There was no investigation done into the fact more voters voted in some districts than there were registered voters. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

          • A Z

            We don’t know how much there is of something we don’t measure.

            Polls are worded and pushed to depress voting blocks the MSM disdain.

            Convicts elected Governor Gregoire in Washington and Senator Franken on Minnesota.

            Romney might not have won. But a difference of victory of 3 percentage points and 2 percentage points makes a difference in perceptions of strength and subsequent legislative agenda. That is one of my arguments that if voter fraud does not decide elections it is still important.

          • defcon 4

            If voter fraud isn’t investigated by the corrupt “Justice” Dept. then it’s kinda hard to find out how widespread it is.

          • A Z

            Exactly

        • wildjew

          PS: best not to delude yourself into believing we don’t live in a nation full of idiots, because only a nation full of idiots would re-elect Barack Obama; just as nation full of idiots in Germany supported their Fuhrer. I know some of these people who voted for and like Obama. They are not illiterate or moochers either.

    • Edward

      Why is it that EVERY white country is forced to be multicultural/multiracial?

      Why is it that EVERY white country is told to end its own race/culture?

      No one asks that of -ANY- non-White country.

      Immigration/assimilation is FORCED upon ONLY White countries

      Anti-whites call themselves “anti-racists” but their actions lead to the elimination of only one race, the White race.

      The purpose of “anti-racism” is to genocide White children.

      Anti-racist is a code for anti-White

      • kikorikid

        You got it Ed! Diversity/Multiculturalism posits “racism”
        as a White characteristic, as though it is a genetic manifestation.
        Racism is a learned behavior, found in all races, all cultures.
        Contemporary “racism” theory is the inverse of Hitlers,
        Mein Khampf, wherein Whites are flawless, all others
        have the ONE flaw, not White. Today, the D/M ideology
        posits Whites as having the ONE flaw, racism.
        Yeah, It is very racist but they protect the idea as though
        it is truth. Does not leave ANY peaceful options for
        resolutions.

        • PaulVonTyrant

          Sadly, these two comments are the only signs of intelligent life on this whole damn page. Israel is not our friend, and America has no business in the middle east. Thank you Edward and kikorikid for trying to wake people up to the evils of multiculturalism and the genocide of the white race.

  • Moa

    > ” as well as a long history of anti-Semitism that’s developed over the course of decades there”

    And the media thought GW Bush was “as dumb as a stick” and Obama was “very smart” – it is Bush who was *very* much smarter than Obama on this issue.

    I guess Obama didn’t pay much attention in his years of mandatory Islamic classes in Indonesia.

    Look at hadith Sahih Muslim 6985 Mr Obama. Islam has always been anti-Jewish. Ever since the Jews rejected the warlord Mohammed – who was an anti-Christ according to the formal definition of denying Christ, and was most likely the most evil man who ever lived (by far!).

    The Jews also pointed out that Mohammed was not of the House of David, nor performed miracles, as real prophets of the tradition do. Moahmmed is also attested by Islamic source to have been possessed by Satan, leading to the famous “Satanic Verses”. Real prophets of YHWH get filled by the Holy Spirit and never possesed by Satan (although most should know by now that Allah is the opposite of YHWH, and hence it makes sense for Mohammed to have been possesed by Satan/Allah; if such superstitions are to be believed). See:
    “IS ALLAH THE GOD OF BIBLE?”
    http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/god.htm

    • Elliott

      Moa: I agree with your statements; I have a problem with the “YHWH”.
      This is a simple transliteration of the Hebrew name for God. However, in Judaism this name (obviously in its Hebrew language original) is NEVER pronounced according to the Hebrew letters (to which the letters “YHWH” try to ‘conform’***). The ONLY time that this name was invoked was in the “Additional” Service on the ‘Holiest’ day in the Jewish calendar (“Yom Kippur”) and only when the Temple existed (and was in use). It was only uttered by the “High Priest” as part of the acts of atonement. Incidentally, every day is holy in Judaism – each day is counted from one Sabbath to the next, precisely reminiscent of the Six Days of Creation. Today is Friday (Jan 24) – to all fellow Jews: Shabbat Shalom!
      *** In Hebrew the vowels are not an inherent part of words; they are omitted in most texts (except for ‘early learners’ – up to about age 6-8). Thus “YHWH” ONLY takes into account the consonants.

      • wildjew

        Wikipedia says: “Although Yahweh is favored by most Hebrew scholars and is widely accepted as the vocalization of the Tetragrammaton, Jehovah is still used in some translations of the Bible.”

        Don’t you think Moses, David and others invoked God’s name? Unless the true God has a name, whether it be the God of Israel or YHWH (Yahweh), how are we to distinguish Him from all the other gods?

        • StanleyT

          There are a number of other names for G0d in the Hebrew language, all of which are well known to any Jew who prays and none of which are pronounced properly or even written properly, except in prayer. We have no trouble distinguishing Him, because there are no other gods.

          • wildjew

            There are false gods, aren’t there. Jacob wrestled with a man, an angel of the LORD. He said ” “I have seen God face to face, yet my life has been preserved.” He couldn’t have been talking about the Almighty, could he? God told Moses even should a man look at Him he will die. But here in Exodus:

            Ex 3:13 Then Moses said to God, “Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you.’ Now they may say to me, ‘What is His name?’ What shall I say to them?”

            God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” God, furthermore, said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘The LORD (YHWH), the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.

            That must be significant, don’t you think?

          • Moa

            There are a massive number of inconsistencies in the Bible. Here’s a page showing how there is not a couple of scribal errors, but the whole thing is riddled by self-contradictory statements:
            http://www.project-reason.org/gallery3/image/105/

            As much as I love Israel, its people, and the historical benefits of Judeo-Christian heritage I cannot say that religion is true. The (modern, reformed) morality and philosophy have great merit, but the superstition is nonsense and completely anti-scientific.

            Islam is even worse: you get the superstition verifiably false anti-scientific statements, yet the morality contained within is utterly repugnant.

          • wildjew

            Thanks for the link. I think your resource is flawed even as the Bible is not a perfect document, as you say subject to scribal and other errors. Nonetheless, the Bible (the Hebrew or Jewish Bible) is a good basic “resource” for wisdom, for understanding; for life. I would be happy to discuss the apparent contradictions within the moral and ethical law (not numbers, names, places, dates, etc.), granting that there are some laws I have difficulty understanding. Most are pretty straight forward. I don’t see all these contradictions. Taking a quick look at these. The author I believe is mistaken on #202, 206, 207, (211, I used to question but I think I can explain the apparent contradiction), 213 (is an egregious error on the author’s part, as is 206; foolish even), 214, 217 (makes absolutely NO sense), etc.

            If you want to argue that the Bible is full of contradictions (I am talking about the Tanakh) best to do your own research and study as I have done than rely on someone who is dishonest like the author or authors of this site.

            As to superstitious beliefs and practices, I see them in Christianity, Judaism and Islam. They are not rooted in the Hebrew Bible in my view.

          • defcon 4

            Well, Yeshua, Yohann and all the rest of Yeshua’s disciples had a lot more than a passing familiarity w/the Torah and Tanakh, as a matter of fact, I’d hazard a guess they were brought up knowing them, considering where they lived and who they were.

          • defcon 4

            Your mild criticism of islam would get you arrested or murdered in any islamic state.

          • Moa

            True.

            Let me be more explicit then, “Islam is the greatest ideological evil ever inflicted on mankind by himself”. Does that make it more clear? :)

          • defcon 4

            Xtal.

      • Moa

        Thanks for the clarification and expansion.

        I’ve visited Israel and learned a little Hebrew for the trip (just as I learned a little Arabic when i continued on to all its neighbors).

        > “Thus “YHWH” ONLY takes into account the consonants.”
        Yes, it is an ‘abjad’ language just like Ancient Egyptian, Arabic, Phoenician, Syriac (Aramaic) etc.

        > “*** In Hebrew the vowels are not an inherent part of words; they are omitted in most texts (except for ‘early learners’ – up to about age 6-8).”

        Those dudes are advanced compared to me :) There’s not much call for using Hebrew for an atheist living in New Zealand, except to surprise random Israeli backpackers.

        I used YHWH because I understood that the Tetragrammaton in non-Hebrew languages was not insulting, and most readers might not know what HaShem, El Shaddai, Adonai, Elohim, or who any other of the titles was refering to etc.

        I prefer to use the transliteral personal name YHWH to distingush from the title “Il Illah” / Allah – who Muslims claim is the “God of Abraham”, but this is deceit and false claim, just like so much of Islam (Il Illah is the “Greatest of Deceivers” according to the Qur’an, and diametrically opposed to the truth-telling YHWH).

        • defcon 4

          I always wondered, why would allah have to lie? Why would he need to employ deceit? If he’s all powerful, what does he have to fear?

          • Moa

            The fact that Allah doesn’t exist! That’s why Islam is so very strict and does not allow questioning – because it is a system designed for control for the benefit of men (specifically the Caliph – the first of which was Mohammed Most Evil). And if men reject all superstition and only accept reason and facts then they cannot be controlled.

            If Allah created the Universe why would he care if a strand of female hair was showing? If Allah created pigs and dogs why would he care a wit about them? “Allah” doesn’t, but because Mohammed attributed to Allah the things Mohammed wanted to happen this is why such rulings were made. Is not impersonating a deity the worst blasphemy of all? Besides being the most evil human that ever lived, Mohammed is also the greatest blasphemer (if a deity exists) and fraud (if the deity does not exist).

    • wildjew

      G.W. Bush (I voted for him in 2000) is not “as dumb as a stick.” Sadly Bush propagated this theme that Islam is a religion of peace and goodness, the “terrorists” are traitors to their faith idea for seven plus years post 9/11 until in 2008 Americans elected their first Muslim-born president with deep sympathies to the world of Islam. Obama sees his job as president to fight negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear. Bush too put forth the narrative that Israel is an illegitimate occupier of Muslim land which Obama has furthered. As a conservative I expect better. Much better.

      • Moa

        Thanks. I don’t believe Bush is as dumb as a stick either. I was just pointing out that the Media push the narrative that Bush knows nothing while Obama is smart – when in fact the opposite is true.

        Good on you for voting for Bush.

        • wildjew

          I did NOT vote to re-elect George W. Bush in 2004. After he sold-out Israel to his and his father’s Saudi benefactors, lied about Israel illegally occupying Muslim land, pressured Israel to give land to her enemies (codified it in our national party platform), after he repeatedly lied about Islam, in 2004 I turned the page. I was sorry I voted for him in the first place.

          • Moa

            He wasn’t perfect, that’s for sure. And he was stupid enough to listen to the Muslim Brotherhood dissemblers during his “outreach” after 9/11.

            However, I still think you did good. It is not like the Democrat nominees would have been any better – and in fact they would have been much much worse.

            Shalom and Kia Kaha (I’m from New Zealand).

          • wildjew

            Thanks. I am a forty three year registered Republican. I hold Republican leaders to a higher standard than I do the Democrats. I did not expect this from Bush.

  • Leon W.

    This confirms mulatto Obathhouse is a moron.
    This is what affirmative negroid action gets you, a dysfunctional, ending, country.

    • wildjew

      I don’t think he is a moron. He knows exactly what he is doing.

    • Moa

      It is deception. Designed for you to give him the benefit of the doubt while he works his evil plan. It is all misdirection and deception – just like Islam teaches.

  • ShalomFreedman

    Unfortunately this piece is totally accurate. There is no sign whatsoever of real Islamic or Arab recognition of Israel. There are certain connections made for what are seen to be tactical advantage.
    Given the truth of this it would help if our greatest friends did not pretend at a false balance between ourselves and our adversaries.

    • Moa

      Muslims cannot recognize Israel without committing apostasy (which brings a death penalty).

      However, they can practice “hudna” and make temporary peace for the purpose of building up strength for later attacks. This is what runs through the Egyptian mind.

  • wildjew

    Anti-Israel activist Juan Cole wrote a piece earlier this month entitled: “Recognizing Israel as a Jewish State is like saying the US is a White State.”

    A reader posted the following question to Cole:

    Brett Weer 2014.01.06 03:42

    Honest question- what about the surrounding countries like the Islamic Republic of Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc.. They have minorities (treated poorly). What’s the difference?

    Juan Cole 2014.01.06 01:15

    The State Department doesn’t issue a certificate of approval for those situations, which is what Netanyahu is demanding for his own Talibanism.

    Cole appears to be saying, the U.S. State Department does not issue a certificate of approval for poor treatment of minorities in Muslim countries but does not address the more important question. You can Google U.S. State Department and “Islamic Republican of Iran” or “Islamic Republic of Pakistan,” etc. The State Department does indeed issue a ‘certificate of approval’ to (State Department honors) the use of “Islamic Republic of….”

    • Mladen_Andrijasevic

      Of course, they should all take the Kerry Quiz test in Middle East competence first
      http://www.madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/a-mini-5-1-question-quiz-for-secretary.html

      • wildjew

        Interesting. Thanks.

        “Although it is doubtful that any of Kerry’s advisers is even remotely familiar with this key episode in the accounts about Muhammad and the early Muslims…”

        According to R. Spencer (Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam is Subverting America Without Guns or Bombs), the purging of plain-speaking specialists on Islamic law (who are unwilling to soften their presentations on the violent teachings of Islam) preceded this administration. Spencer cites Major Stephen Coughlin who was cashiered by the Pentagon early 2008.

  • wildjew

    D. Hornik wrote: “…instead of obsessively pursuing that chimera and subjecting Israel to constant corrosive pressure, the U.S. could appreciate Israel as an ally radically more democratic and advanced than its neighbors and treat it accordingly.”

    Quoting William B. Quandt (“Peace process in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict”), Wikipedia says: “Much of US constitutional theory focuses on how issues should be resolved – the process – rather than on substance – what should be done. … The United States has provided both a sense of direction and a mechanism. That, at its best, is what the peace process has been about. At worst, it has been little more than a slogan used to mask the marking of time.”

    Then it says: “Since the 2003 Road map for peace, the current outline for a Palestinian–Israeli peace agreement has been a two-state solution.”

    I think it would be enlightening to learn why the U.S. has been “obsessively pursuing that chimera and subjecting Israel to constant corrosive pressure” for several decades; at least since the 1967 Six Day War. What is the motivation? Anyone?

    • Gee

      Not only are we more democratic and advanced than our neighbors – it also applies to the most of the world.

      Our rights on human rights and equal rights supersede the United States and nearly all of Europe.

      As for being advanced – Israel is now considered the 10th most powerful country in the entire world. Each country ahead of Israel has as a minimum over 10 times the population and 100 times the territory that we do.

      http://anneinpt.wordpress.com/2014/01/24/good-news-friday-85/

      • wildjew

        OK, then what is the motivation for the United States’ decades-old obsession with brokering a peace between a civilized people and backward peoples who everyone knows are dedicated to Israel’s annihilation? Any theories?

        • Moa

          The Leftists strive to be “unbiased”. That means they must ignore facts, such as hadith Sahih Muslim 6985, in order to try and be unbiased to Arab Muslims. This decison to always be unbiased is why the Left is so stupid and will always be stupid.

          In contrast, the political Right strives to be “objective”. This may result in bias (eg. against jihadis trying to slaughter us and our allies), but we try and based our actions on reality and facts.

          The opposing goals of being “unbiased” verses being “objective” defines the actions of the Left and Right.

          Evan Sayet describes this in humorous fashion:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T26crZOjNss

          This is why the US is deliberately blind and makes very dumb decisions – it ignores important facts in order to try and be “unbiased”. It would be much much smarter if it was to be “objective” instead (which it will be, once Ted Cruz gets the Presidency :) ).

          This same focus on being “unbiased” is why the TSA will concentrate on wheel-chair bound passengers to the same degree of the young Muslims returning from Syria. It’s blindness and madness!

        • Gee

          It seems the requirements to work at the US State Department include an extreme hatred of all things Jewish.

          This has been the fact since well prior to the re-establishment of Israel as a nation.

          They were at the forefront in keeping Jewish refugees away prior to World War II, they advocated for the Muslims at every stage

          • wildjew

            You know your history!

          • Gee

            Like to think so – but there is so much that is still hidden.

            I have no rational as to why they do have such illogical hatred that is such an obsession.

          • defcon 4

            The evil always hates the good.

      • itaintmojo

        Israeli’s did an amazing job transforming what was essentially a dry plot of desert, into a lush, and thriving free market democracy. Instead of applause, they get hate, and condemnation.

    • itaintmojo

      Oil dependency, money, and American interests.

      American presidents have been in business with Arab oil sheiks the whole time. Carter accepts millions for his foundation as an example, and in return Carter has sided with Arabs in the conflict, in a vitriolic way against Israel. Both Dubya and his dad had huge business deals with Arab Sheikdom. Who knows what deals O’Liar had in place with Morsi, but it’s apparent O’Liar was mighty pi$$ed when that fell through. We still rely on Sheiks for 17% of our oil consumption. If we can get fracking, and put the thumbs up to the XL pipeline, we can then tell the sheik’s to take a swim in their Black goo. I have read that these same sheik’s are throwing cash at the Green community and lobbying to thwart both fracking, and the pipeline.

      • wildjew

        I agree, oil, money and what U.S. leaders “think” is in America’s interests. If you look at the way England handled their League of Nations Mandate for ‘Palestine’, pretty much the same thing.

      • defcon 4

        The biggest contributors to the Clinton Foundation? Petrodollar rich islam0fascists.

  • http://www.clarespark.com/ Clare Spark

    First there was the moral equivalence argument between Jews and Palestinians, now he displays his ignorance about anti-Semitism’s longevity, and the New Yorker doesn’t call him on it. Mass amnesia? Or willful ignorance. See http://clarespark.com/2009/09/11/oil-politics-and-obamas-view-of-israeli-history/. “Oil politics and Obama’s view of Israeli history.”

    • wildjew

      I’ll go with willful deception. A U.S. president, particularly one as familiar with Islam and the Muslim world as this one, cannot be this ill-informed.

  • defcon 4

    How could the zero know that antisemitism is part and parcel of the islamic faith? But wait, didn’t he attend a madrassah when he went to school in Indonesia?

    • Moa

      Yes, Obama did. He is lying about Israel. He and Kerry *hate* it. But he must appear to be reasonable to push his domestic marxist policies through. So he lies. Look at what Obama does (eg. Bibi must enter the White House through a side door, while Muslim Brotherhood gets the red carpet though the front door). Obama and his Administration are all about deception!

      • itaintmojo

        O’Liar practices taqqiya

        • kikorikid

          Obama practices Taqiyya against the American
          People and he is Shariah Compliant as well.
          “Workplace Violence” is Shariah Compliance.

  • Myrtle Linder

    “With respect to Israel!” When was it, that Obam paid Israel, one speck of respect..Ain’t possible, he hates GOD he hates Israel, the land of GOD’S chosen people, he means to sell Israel out to the Muslims. The worlds medal winning liar, is his, if he should apply for it, he would get it.!

  • truebearing

    Hornik’s analysis is excellent. One always has to question, what, if anything, Obama says can be truly believed? His extreme bias for all things Muslim, and converse antipathy towards Israel, leaves me doubting that anything he says is reliable and not just more of his deceptive positioning.

    Whenever Obama speaks, you have to listen to both forks of his tongue. One fork is loud and clear, the false one. The other speaks in whispers, and is the voice of his true intentions. Obama always takes away while he is pretending to give, and since he has given so very little to Israel that is substantive or positive, one has to wonder how much is he plotting to take away.

    If one considers the extreme vulnerability resulting from the defensive position Obama/Kerry want Israel to accept, then why not assume that anything they say is duplicitous and intended to facilitate a hidden agenda? I believe Obama does have Middle East fantasies, but they run along the lines of justifying Muslim behavior, including crucfying Christians in Egypt, and enabling the Muslim dreams of a Caliphate. There is no evidence that Obama has Israel’s wellbeing in his list of priorities for the Middle East.

    One thing should be crystal clear by now: as long as Islam exists, intransigence will continue forever and the only “negotiation” outcome possible will be for Israel to submit to the Muslim’s demand that Israel cease to exist. Of course, once that occurred, the Muslims would move on to demanding other nations and religions do the same. Maybe instead of always meeting Islam’s demands with appeasment, we should show our own capacity for unrelenting intransigence.

  • johngvanvliet

    Yes Obama lies and cheat a typical muslim behavior for th things he does seem to be only in favor of islamist and nothing else,, His blurred vision is sort of being idiotic and totally out of a realistic and honest point of view…. His perception is utterly deplorable and has no validity !!!!

  • Jeff Ludwig

    The Arabs really know how to hold a grudge. An Egyptian who told me he was an engineer in Egypt, but isn’t licensed in the USA bitterly told me how the Crusaders how come to the Middle East and killed so many Muslims. His eyes were bugging out of his head. The veins stood out on his forehead. He was enraged. The event he was referring to took place in 1095 (the first of four Crusades). The Crusaders only won that first Crusade. The Islamics regrouped and won the next three Crusades. Yet, despite the reality that the Muslims repulsed the Crusaders and kept control over the Middle East, including present day Israel, he was still totally outraged. This is the kind of thinking that is intractable, and is what we are really facing in the Middle East.

    • http://grumpyelder.com/ Grumpy

      And they forget the expeditions Islam made into Europe.. I don’t think religious wars ever end, unless one side completely destroys the other….

      • Drakken

        That day is approaching quicker than anyone realizes. Only this time the Total War approach will be dusted off and used with a vengeance.

      • Jeff Ludwig

        Thanks for the reply. To me, your point is very important because the war didn’t start with the Crusades at all. You know, I regret that when I was talking with that Egyptian that I failed to mention that fact. But I won’t forget in the future. It was the Islamic hordes that swept into Europe first with their “convert or die” approach in the 7th and 8th centuries until turned back. So, yes, we must never forget how this “war” began, although frankly, I don’t think either side will destroy the other, but believe the see-saw struggle will continue. I will admit that I am an evangelical Christian and believe that eventually there will be a Second Coming of Jesus Christ and a judgment on all nations. Until then, the conflicts of the past 1000+ years will just go on and on. (Keep in mind, when the struggle originally started it was between Islam and Christendom. Now the West is not really Christendom any longer so, strictly speaking, our war with Islam is not really “religious” anymore.) Again, thanks for the important update to my comment, and for being kind enough to reply. Best wishes.

        • http://grumpyelder.com/ Grumpy

          It was a good comment

          Your Egyptian friend wouldn’t have appreciated being reminded they lost Cordoba..The Mecca of the West. It’s been a sore point since the last of the Moors were run out of Spain in 1492..

          Before the scheme fell apart they wanted to name the 911 Mosque in NYC after Cordoba..

          To the Arab mind, the west will always be Christendom

          • defcon 4

            Atheists aren’t treated any better in islamic states — witness Bangladesh, where muslimes were calling for the death of atheists en mass.

          • http://grumpyelder.com/ Grumpy

            They aren’t big fans of non believers, period

      • defcon 4

        The problem is, muslimes don’t just eliminate all other faiths, they’ll eliminate those who choose to have no faith at all. It’s everyone not a muslim that’s the enemy of islam.

  • liberalism is a mental illness

    I think the matter is simple: peace will never be achieved through diplomatic means. I agree with Drakken that the only solution is Total War. I mean no Shia nor Sunni let alone both of these ideologies at the same time will ever allow Israel to exist. It’s just that simple. What will be interesting is to see is who will Russia ally with and who will China ally with when the time comes? Let’s hope the three super powers, the US, Russia and China unite and just obliterate the Middle East less Israel of course. Russia did ally with the US in WWII to defeat the Nazis. The US did protect China from the Japs in WWII. Let’s hope these bonds still hold and that when the s— hits the fan these three unite against a common evil.

    • Painted Horse

      There will be total war. But the US and Britain will be rendered as impotent as Israel by that time. BHO is the curse sent to us for our sinning nation. Russia and China will join together against the soon coming Superpower (a German lead United States of Europe) that will destroy the Islamic threat. God is never wrong in His prophecy. We are living in the last days of history.

  • Zeke

    There’s a whole bunch of people full ready to noose him,
    He of dead, glassy eye and of arrogant, loose limb,
    The American whore has a sore need to sluice quim,
    Or die of the cancer, this commie, this mooselim.

  • Lanna

    Like all Muslims, Obama’s goal is a One World Government Under Islam. Quite obvious from his policies!