From Greatness to Whiteness

founding-fathers7When Americans over the age of, let us say, 45, look at any of the iconic paintings of America’s Founders — the signing of the Declaration of Independence, the signing of the Constitution, George Washington crossing the Delaware, any of the individual portraits the Founders — what do they see?

They see great men founding a great country.

If you ask recent graduates of almost any American university what they see when they look at these paintings, chances are that they see something entirely different.

They are apt to see rich, white males who are not great and who did not found a great country. And for many, it is worse than that. These men are not only not great; they are morally quite flawed in that they were slaveholders and/or founded a country that allowed slavery. Moreover, they were not only all racists; they were all sexists, who restricted the vote to males. And they were rich men who were primarily concerned with protecting their wealth, which is why they restricted the vote to landowners.

In the past, Americans overwhelmingly saw pictures of greatness. Increasingly only conservatives see pictures of greatness. More and more Americans — that includes the entire left and many universities attendees who were indoctrinated by left-wing professors — now see rich, white, self-interested males.

The left-wing trinity of race, gender and class has prevailed. The new dividing lines are no longer good and bad or excellent and mediocre, but white and non-white, male and female, and rich and poor. Instead of seeing great human beings in those paintings of the Founders, Americans have been taught to see rich, white, (meaning — by definition — selfish, bigoted, racist, sexist) males.

In colleges throughout America, students are taught to have disdain for the white race. I know this sounds incredible, or at least exaggerated. It is neither.

For example, from the day they enter college, many students are taught about white privilege — how innately advantaged white students (and all other whites are). Last week, the president of Western Washington University posed the question on the university’s website: “How do we make sure that in future years we are not as white as we are today?”

Imagine if the president of the University of California at Berkeley had posed the question, “How do we make sure that in future years we are not as Asian as we are today?”

Inner city young blacks who work hard in school are routinely chastised by other black youth for “acting white.”

Regarding white privilege, last year, three academics at the University of Rhode Island wrote in The Chronicle of Higher Education:

“The American Psychological Association’s educational goals for the psychology major include sociocultural and international awareness, with learning outcomes regarding mastery of concepts related to power and privilege. Other professional organizations, including the American Sociological Association, have developed similar learning goals for teaching in higher education. Instructors have been charged with teaching their white students to understand their own privileged positions in society relative to those of marginalized groups.”

The key point here is that the word “values” never appears. Instead of asking what values made America’s Founders great, the left asks what race, gender and class privileges enabled those men to found America. Instead of asking what values does the white majority (or, for that matter, on some campuses, the Asian majority) live by in order to succeed, and how can we help inculcate those values among more less successful people of all racial and ethnic groups, the left asks what privileges do whites have that enable them to get into colleges and graduate at a higher rate than blacks and Latinos.

The undermining of the very concept of values was starkly made clear last month at a national inter-college debate tournament.

As reported in the Atlantic last week:

“On March 24, 2014 at the Cross Examination Debate Association (CEDA) Championships at Indiana University, two Towson University students, Ameena Ruffin and Korey Johnson, became the first African-American women to win a national college debate tournament, for which the resolution asked whether the U.S. president’s war powers should be restricted. Rather than address the resolution straight on, Ruffin and Johnson, along with other teams of African-Americans, attacked its premise. The more pressing issue, they argued, is how the U.S. government is at war with poor black communities.”

In the final round, Ruffin and Johnson squared off against Rashid Campbell and George Lee from the University of Oklahoma, two highly accomplished African-American debaters with distinctive dreadlocks and dashikis. Over four hours, the two teams engaged in a heated discussion of concepts like ‘nigga authenticity’ and performed hip-hop and spoken-word poetry in the traditional timed format. At one point during Lee’s rebuttal, the clock ran out but he refused to yield the floor. ‘F— the time!’ he yelled.

In a national intercollegiate debate contest, a black debating team won by transforming the topic of the debate, one that that had nothing to do with race, into a race question.

But to object to this, or to argue that a team might be disqualified for yelling “f— the time” when told it had gone over the time limit, or to ask what performing hip-hop has to do with the topic “whether the U.S. president’s war powers should be restricted” — is now deemed to act white.

This is another victory for the left. And another defeat for standards, for truth and for the values embodied by the men in the paintings of the Founders.

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  • Judahlevi

    Primarily, it is a defeat of truth.

    It is not true that people are defined by their skin color or gender. Saying that a founding father is a white male says nothing about him. The only way that is says anything about them is if you assign values to white males, and if you do, that makes you a racist.

    How can something you had no control over, such as your skin color or gender, say anything about you as an unique individual? It can’t. This is the problem with multiculturalism – it enforces stereotypes instead of breaking them down.

    The fact is that a picture of all men who had light colored skin is a diverse group of people measured by the standard of true diversity. True diversity comes from the mind, not the body. We think therefore we are. We are individualists, not multiculturalists.

    http://www.centerforindividualism.wordpress.com

    • Marcus

      You still can’t deny that one’s ethnicity did and still does play a cultural role in society. The founding fathers would have felt loyalty to their ‘whiteness’ and their white race; it’s the reason why they intended for America to be for white people and felt justified in having blacks as slaves. Their ‘whiteness’ was an important factor in their beliefs and to point this out is not wrong. They may have been individualists but only for their fellow whites.

      • Judahlevi

        You don’t know history as well as you think you do. There were slaves of all skin colors and, no, America was not founded just for “white” people.

        You may see and judge people only by their skin color – I don’t.

        There is no monolithic “white people” group just as there is no monolithic “black people” group. Never was, never will be. We are all unique individuals, not skin colors.

        • Marcus

          Most slaves were African, some were Irish which I’d put more as discrimination against Irish people rather than alleviating Africans to the status of whites.
          And for much of America’s history the leaders and it’s citizens did see America as a white country (with white being the name they gave themselves as they were of mixed European heritage)
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790
          You are right though there are no monolithic groups, they only exist through perception which is what white people and other races had back then and still even now.
          And also I do not judge individuals by there race, I was simply pointing out the racism of the founding father, I actually agree with your outlook and believe it to be the only moral one.

          • American Patriot

            Hey, Mugabe supporter, why don’t you see how white people are treated in your beloved Zimbabwe under your beloved black racist, Marxist dictator, Robert Mugabe. While American has overcome flaws in race relations (at least for the most part), Zimbabwe has gone backwards because of its dictator’s desire for vengeance instead of reconciliation.

          • kikorikid

            Diversity is not about getting equal.
            It has always been about getting even.

          • Drakken

            There ain’t no unity in diversity, there has been and there never will be.

          • American Patriot

            Not always. Diversity has led to equality in this country. The traditional Civil Rights movement in this country had genuinely campaigned for unity and a more perfect union by demanding an end to racial segregation and discrimination in the Southern states, a goal the movement had achieved by the 1960s with the passage of important civil rights legislation. The problem was that the New Left movement later took over the Civil Rights movement because the former despised the latter’s effort to integrate into the society that the former hated. As a result of the takeover, the left has destroyed the original goals of the Civil Rights movement and has completely redefined the contemporary movement’s agenda. The New Left did the same thing to the Democratic Party in the late 1960s and early 1970s. The radical left is the problem in American society, not diversity.

          • kikorikid

            We’ve been hit with a Diversity Bus,
            who gives a load who the driver was,
            no doubt he was loaded! “New Left-smeft”
            The New Left minions will be accountable
            to the Social-Justice Progressives policies.
            Count on it.

          • Davros11

            I agree, I think of the Ottoman and other Muslim empires that were racist and killed and enslaved all people not muslim. They thought of their lands as only for brown people, since back in those days Europeans were considered barbarians and savages. I am pretty sure muslims think they are supreme as do the Chinese. The problem with racism is that it has become a business

          • Sheik Yerbouti

            Early Americans were also considered “barbarians” by them. It’s why they built such a huge Navy.

          • Bob Nemtusak

            First sentence does not appear to make sense

        • Charles Martel

          There is no monolithic white group because you choose to ignore that. Because you don’t look at someone’ skin color doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Babies quickly learn that hiding their face behind their hands doesn’t really hide them. Wake up to the real world and see the reality of race for what it is.

          Until someone shows me a great successful modern society formed by blacks, I will continue to hold to the observable notion that on average they are incapable of said feat.

          All races were slaves at one time, but most have overcome their past. Some are incapable.

          • Judahlevi

            If anyone is ignoring reality, it is you.

            Reality is that you are not defined by your skin color even if other people want to do so. A light-skinned Jew is not the same as a light-skinned German. They share a skin color, but in reality, it certainly does not define them as the same.

            You also don’t stand on the shoulders of anyone else just because they share your skin color. There is no such thing as collective pride just as their is no such thing as collective guilt. It is individual pride or individual guilt.

        • Sheik Yerbouti

          We saw a very monolithic black voting pattern recently.

          • Judahlevi

            Dark-skinned individuals in America are being taught to define themselves by their skin color (primarily by Democrats). This is the multiculturalism perpetuation of stereotypes. This needs to change and not be encouraged.

            As conservatives, we don’t believe in multiculturalism, we believe in individualism. We believe that each individual is unique and should be judged according to their own actions and character, not by which group they may be abstractly put into.

          • Sheik Yerbouti

            I’m in the choir on this one. Leftists have gone mad(der). And ever since the imposter was propped up on the throne, leftists are emboldened to try the weirdest of crap on all of us. I fully expect to see interspecies marriages being added to their list of demands. Demands they think will make life better for us all. Because, after all, none of us can properly think for ourselves in their eyes.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Political Identity Group.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “The founding fathers would have felt loyalty to their ‘whiteness’ and their white race; it’s the reason why they intended for America to be for white people and felt morally justified in having blacks as slaves.”

        No, it’s not. You infer that.

        • Marcus

          They didn’t invite just anyone to fill America, they saw America as an experiment for Europeans.

          • kikorikid

            I’m sure you are satisfied that you
            have figured it all out. Good for you.
            Now, What do you have to say about
            current Islamic Slavery in North Africa?
            Genocide + Slavery= Darfur
            and there is so much more.

          • Marcus

            It’s horrible. I am not denying that

          • American Patriot

            Yes you are. You only denounce atrocities if white people are behind it.

          • Marcus

            “You only denounce atrocities if white people are behind it” – so you admit that there were atrocities committed by the founding fathers? That’s all i was trying to point out and something Prager was refusing to acknowledge choosing to instead lump any judgement it into some modern white guilt movement.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Atrocities of “whites” or of “founding fathers?”

          • Marcus

            The founding fathers and also most of the whites at the time, for being witness or participants to the degradation of the slaves. Not whites today.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            That’s a bit to vague. There are worst statements in terms of bogus collectivism but you’re still focusing on irrational radical views of history.

            Which atrocities specifically? Failing to remedy the institutional atrocity of slavery is not an “atrocity” that you can assign to individuals without showing direct cause.

          • Marcus

            One example is George Washington’s treatment of his slaves, which was in line with his contemporaries. He would force them to work full days and have them whipped. He may have been against slavery but his treatment of them showed that he did not see them as full humans worthy of rights.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “He may have been against slavery but his treatment of them showed that he did not see them as full humans worthy of rights.”

            You’re on the right track but we need a bit more before you denounce Washington. Maybe he treated his slaves poorly. There are accusations. You can build on that. You’re not quite there.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Also the fact that these guys espoused ideas of individualism and liberty whilst still holding slaves shows that the slavery was based on extreme racism rather than simple cultural ideals that had underlined slavery in Ancient Greece and Rome.”

            You simply don’t understand the limits of sovereignty. The issue was not whether slavery was wrong. One could not go out and enslave a citizen. The question was how do we treat property? Can a sovereign force citizens (who have rights of property and liberty) to give up human “property?”

            That question was not answered explicitly until later.

            It had nothing to do with racism as a root cause. Unless you want to accuse the Africans of racism when they went out and enslaved people and then sold them in unregulated international markets.

            And there were white slaves. They were just rare because there was no huge uncivilized continent with slavers running around and selling whites in the markets.

            Whatever racism that did develop came as a result of slavery. Racism was not a cause of slavery.

            If you want to understand civilization and developments you have to step through history more carefully with an understanding of what the world was like during each age you want to examine. Slaves before the age of sail were for the most part prisoners of war, criminals and impoverished people. I’m not saying it’s right. I’m saying it’s circumstantial.

            Slavery had already existed when suddenly these markets become more accessible and then businessmen with sailboats suddenly have the opportunity to import slaves in huge numbers. It changes things but it took a while for people to process these issues that had never even been possible before.

            If you know enough about a given case history, we can judge slaveholders case by case, but not as a class. Not without having a much better understanding of history than you do.

            Progress in technology led to racism but is also helping us transcend racism.

          • Marcus

            As a Christian nation that was unique in it’s ideas of liberty and individualism, the slavery of blacks was morally justified by the deeming of African’s as a lower class of being. The Irish too were thought of as sub human by the English.

            http://www.strangehistory.net/2013/11/26/irish-and-africans-a-peculiar-nineteenth-century-english-obsession/

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Yes people made that argument after the fact. They made that argument on the basis of determinism. God would not allow these people to be enslaved if they didn’t somehow deserve it. They did not make those arguments before slavery existed.

            A few people tried that to justify ignoring the developing ideas that our constitutional rights should also be extended at least in part to all humans, not just citizens.

            Every “other” population has been at one time or another referred to as “sub human,” especially since Darwin created a framework for doing so or at least implying that there are lots of various “levels” of development in various populations of humans.

          • American Patriot

            Don’t you mean by the British? The Welsh and the Scots, along with the English, also settled in the Thirteen Colonies. So besides being a black nationalist, you are also a Celtic nationalist who believes that the United Kingdom should not exist as one country, but as four different countries.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Why do you think he’s a black nationalist?

      • nomoretraitors

        So what? Is it any surprise they would naturally identify with people who share their heritage and culture?
        Has any African nation thrown open its doors to non-blacks? Has any Asian nation thrown open its doors to non-Asians? Has Latin America thrown open its doors to non-Spanish speaking people? No.

        • Marcus

          First of all there are many multiracial countries that aren’t ‘white’ countries.

          But yeah because of the fault of human nature many people do identify with people of the same heritage which i’m assuming you mean ethnicity. The goal is to overcome ethnocentrism and the immorality it leads to not close ourselves off to everyone who doesn’t look like us which is what it seems like many conservatives are doing.

      • Jeff Ludwig

        First, there were free blacks living in colonial America. Second, the founding colonists expressed a lot of respect for the Native Americans, much more than how race relations are presented in high school textbooks. Third, a war…what was it called?….o yes, the Civil War…was fought in which hundreds of thousands of whites died for the freedom of the blacks who were enslaved. Fourth, a conundrum: which came first, the whiteness of Western Civilization or the values that drove that drove those “white people?” Seems to me also (fifth point) that we died fighting the Japanese to help protect non-whites like the Chinese and the Philippinos. In other words, your sentence “They may have been individualists but only for their fellow whites” is deserving of being repudiated entirely, and if you have integrity, you will withdraw that summary statement.

        • Charles Martel

          That is a truly over simplified version of history. The policy of America, once strong enough was not good towards Indians. That is why they were for the most part rounded up and put on reservations.

          My own wife’s great grandmother, was removed from her parents in North Dakota and sent to a Catholic school with other Indian children and not allowed to speak their native tongue. You can access some of this history at the Turtle Mountain reservation in ND.

          The civil war was primarily fought over states rights. The issue of states’ right was whether or not,they could hold slaves. The vast majority of America didn’t give a damn about the black man. Haven’t you ever heard of the draft riots in the north? Have you not heard of the murder of free blacks by northerners who were mad they were being asked to fight on their behalf?

          You have a lot of reading to do.

          • Jeff Ludwig

            My comment about treatment of the Native Americans referred only to the colonial period, not to the settling of the West. There is no attempt to say there was uniform good treatment of Native Americans throughout history, and would never consider what your wife’s great grandmother had to go through as being appropriate.
            On the Civil War point, you yourself say that the War was about slavery (as it became intertwined with the states’ rights issues). To me you are just reaffirming my point in a slightly different way. The fact that there were Northern whites who hated blacks is not praiseworthy, but in no way undermines my point the majority of whites have tried to do the right thing and have done the right thing. Washington and Jefferson freed their slaves, and even while they were slaveholders, they opposed slavery as an institution. My point, which I believe is the same as Mr. Prager’s, is that it would be wrong to discount the integrity and greatness of the founders because they were white males, i.e. to try to make them appear as white supremacists who were also women haters. If you find that any defense of the behavior of white men, especially during the colonial period and up through 1865 makes you so upset, I suggest you have some deep seated resentments and lack of forgiveness in your heart. Anyway, I appreciated your comment. Thank you.

          • Judahlevi

            Your defense is good, but you buy into the collective guilt trap.

            What other people have done who happened to share your skin color has no reflection on you or any other light-skinned person in America. There is no such thing as collective guilt. Only racial demagogues like Al Sharpton, Eric Holder, and Barack Obama believe in it.

            People are guilty of their own actions and mistakes, not the mistakes of anyone who happens to share their skin color. If a light-skinned person commits a murder today are you going to feel responsible for it?

            There is no defense of the “white men” since this is an abstract group which does not exist in reality. There is nothing to “forgive” since no one exists today who ever had slaves nor does anyone exist today who was a slave.

            There is no collective guilt. Period.

          • kikorikid

            I’ve done the “reading”.
            I don’t have a single, smidgen,
            of “White Guilt”.

          • American Patriot

            You are a Communist loon. Why don’t you denounce the mistreatment of the indigenous Miskito people at the hands of your beloved Marxist Sandinistas in Nicaragua during that country’s civil war in the 1980s? Why don’t you denounce the constant racism that white Zimbabweans face at the hands of the black supremacist, Marxist ZANU regime of Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe. Often, when white Zimbabweans walk in the streets in their country, they would have racial epithets screamed at them by fanatical supporters of Mugabe and his ZANU hate party. Sometimes, white Zimbabweans would even be victims of racially and politically-motivated violence by ZANU thugs. Zimbabwe is indeed a hate-filled country. While America has had historical flaws, we worked hard to overcome them. Why don’t you denounce the mistreatment of indigenous peoples by other countries in the Western Hemisphere. Stop giving Canada, Latin America and the Caribbean a free pass for their misdeeds committed against the indigenous populations of those areas. And stop giving Mugabe a free pass for committing an ongoing race war against Zimbabwe’s white population.

      • Bob Nemtusak

        The “white bullies” running America have yet to send me my “almost one of us” trophy

  • Bamaguje

    ‘White guilt’ has definitely gone riot. Until feckless Whites grow
    some spine and stand up for themselves, I’m afraid the Western
    civilization which Whites built will slowly self destruct.

    • remmy

      The are running the country into the ground. That is their goal.

      • nomoretraitors

        But why are we allowing them to?

        • Paardestaart

          Because for the most part we agree with most of their propositions.. The west has been infiltrated and brainwashed since 1933, and now that basically we’re all socialists we believe we’ve invented it ourselves..

    • Frederikahere

      I have never understood “White Guilt.” I honestly think it is some kind of sociopathic/ emotional disorder. Not to mention just plain stupid.

  • American1969

    If we’re ever going to get over racism in this country, this nonsense has to stop. Excuse me, but most of us whites weren’t born with silver spoons in our mouths! A good number of us come from either Working Class or Middle Class homes, not the uber-wealthy Elites!
    If this is the kind of garbage that these schools are going to be teaching, then it’s time for parents and students to reconsider whether the money you’re putting out is worth the PC cr@p that’s being peddled. This is nothing but reverse-racism. Period.
    If I were an alumni of any of these schools, I would be reconsidering whether or not I’d be giving them anymore of my money if they’re going to have a racist curriculum. I’d demand that these classes be eliminated or they wouldn’t be getting another dime from me.
    When are whites done paying for sins of the past that no one alive today is responsible for?

    • UCSPanther

      By the logic the grievance mongers use, my Anglo Saxon Ancestors were victims of mistreatment and discrimination at the hands of my Norman ancestors during the Norman Conquest of England, therefore, I should sue myself for damages that were incurred during incidents like the Harrying…

      • American1969

        LMAO!

      • cochise1

        The whole idea of reparations to blacks (which is also what affirmative action is all about) is the most illogical idea to ever surface.

        Tiger wood is rich….he is more Asian than black. What should Tiger do? Pay his black half?

    • nomoretraitors

      We will never “get over racism.” The NAACP won’t allow it. Too much money to be made

    • kikorikid

      “We haven’t had that spirit here since,1969.”
      Sorry, Too late. Diversity/Multiculturalism is
      totally inculcated into our Nations public schools.
      It is a ,decidedly, racist ideology masquerading
      as pedagogy. It is a pedagogy of oppression.
      Freire would be proud!

  • Marcus

    Prager is tipping around truths and trying to allot any retrospective judgement of past figures into some leftist, white guilt category. The founding fathers were horribly racist and sexist as were most people in that time period, not because of their whiteness but rather cultural attitudes of those times.

    • alericKong

      If you are consistent in your standards you would be disgusted by the cultural attitudes of these times.

      Terrible ambitions motivate these retrospective judgments, not any virtuous search for the truth. It’s done by horrible petty immature people who have no place in civil discourse.

      • kikorikid

        …and they slew, Ceaser(sp), because he was ambitious.

      • Marcus

        It is a truth, that Prager and many of the people here don’t want to acknowledge. Ironically it is a white nationalist poster Charles Martel who agrees with me on this. Now as for my motive, it definitely isn’t to create white guilt or any push for multiculturalism.

    • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

      The leaders among the Founders were against slavery and stated their position. Many founded the 1st abolitionist societies in history. That they couldn’t get broad support for abolition is clear. They took what steps they could and believed it would die out.

      • Marcus

        I agree many may have expressed that slavery was immoral, but If they really cared about Africans they would have freed all their slaves and spent money buying and freeing the other slaves.

        • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

          It has nothing to do with “caring.” Their public actions are what’s important to their professional lives. In the political/public lives they expressed and advocated universal liberty. They did as much as they could and were often rebuffed by (a) Britain before the revolution (b) one or two states that threatened to bolt if the issue was pressed. I could list the various successes they did have starting with the most important: banning slavery from the Northwest Territory (which included land donated by Virginia). If this momentum lasted we would have led the abolitionist movement. Sadly it dissipated by 1820.

          This is not unusual. Reagan came into office advancing liberty but by his reelection it stalled. We on the right argued it was due to a Democratic House. It wasn’t. Subsequent Republicans did little for liberty and increased government. This became obvious when Republican controlled both Congress and the Presidency under Bush II … and they increased government significantly. That was our 1820 … liberty is dead. We lost the momentum and we are sliding backwards. We could talk about Republican lacking the virtue … but they lost their principles and courage.

    • iluvisrael

      You sound just like a product of left wing public school teachers and college instructors – their indoctrination worked well on you.

      • Marcus

        They were racist, they felt that God given rights did not apply to what they believed to be the sub human Africans. This has nothing to do with left wing indoctrination. So what if leftists agree with me on this, I don’t think whites should feel guilty about this ot that reparations should be paid but recognizing the situation for what it was is not a ideological position.

        • American Patriot

          George Washington freed his slaves when he died and the so-called “3/5″ clause in the Constitution was actually a defeat for the then-slaveholding South because it limited their numerical representation in the House of Representatives. Thomas Jefferson’s original draft of the Declaration of Independence stated that slavery was immoral (which Jefferson blamed the British King for the slave trade and for imposing slavery itself on the colonies) and that every man was equal, regardless of race too. But Jefferson had to edit those lines out in the Declaration’s final draft in order to get support from Southern colonists to fight the British. America had flaws, but we, as a nation have worked hard to successfully overcome those flaws in a span of almost 200 years. Why don’t you denounce the black supremacist, Marxist dictator of Zimbabwe, Robert Mugabe, who once stated that whites have no future in Zimbabwe. In Zimbabwe, if a person is white, they cannot own any farmland. And you support Communism, Islamist and black supremacy. Learn from facts instead of repeating radical left-wing propaganda.

          • Marcus

            Yeah i denounce it all, its wrong as were the attitudes of the founding fathers. You admit that America had its flaws, i was just pointing some of them out.

          • American Patriot

            No you don’t. You love Mugabe because he shares your race hatred and desire for vengeance instead of reconciliation. Far from being actual racists, the founding fathers had a long term goal of abolishing slavery, a goal that was achieved in 1865 with the passage of the 13th Amendment to the Constitution immediately after the end of the Civil War. So enough of your black nationalism.

          • Marcus

            Where in my comments did you come to believe i hate any race or that I am a black nationalist? My comment which was about the objective fact that Africans were seen as not worthy of rights. George Washington had no qualms about forcing his slaves to work long days and lashings, this is a fact.

            Now if you think my comment promoted hatred of race or black nationalism how on Earth do you not see white nationlism and resentment of minorities in the comments to any article about race here?

        • iluvisrael

          I’m sure you’re just as concerned about the holocaust against blacks today – the abortion industry (60% or more of the slaughtered unborn are black),and the slavery going on today in some islamic countries – or is it easier to go after long dead white guys?

          • Marcus

            I’m not ‘going after them’ i am just pointing out a fact that Prager wants to skirt around.

        • Drakken

          I have a really novel idea, if you think whites hate you blacks so much, why do you live here? Wouldn’t you be much happier and have more success since the white man is keeping you down, and go to Africa and share your ideas amongst your fellow Africans?
          I’ll grab a bourbon, a cigar and a lawn chair, with an umbrella, and watch as the Africans show you just what they think of Blacks from America. Ever heard of a panga? You will see it up close and personal and slice and dice you up quicker than a Swedish chef with a ginsu.

          • Marcus

            Why are pulling out a bunch of irrelevant white nationalist talking points. The founding fathers were horribly racist not whites today.

    • Davros11

      No Marcus! you are tip-toeing around racism! The middle east is only for muslim/islamist peoples why? Asia is just for Asian people why? This whole fantasy that only whites have superiority complexes or have rascist tendencies is B.S. Muslims, Chinese, Japanese, Russians, they all think they are racially superior. I see the exact same thing in Saudi Arabia, only muslims males may vote, drive cars etc… You don’t like to see racism unless it is supposedly by whites!

      • Marcus

        Yeah alot of people are racists, i’d even say whites as a whole may be the least racist people. But i still stand by calling the founding fathers racist.

  • Steeloak

    Fortunately the indoctrination ends when they graduate from University and join the real world. That is why people become more conservative over time. They quickly learn that the rot their professors shoveled into them is just that – rot.
    Most professors do what they do because they don’t have what it takes to make it in the real world, they want everything guaranteed and have no accountability for their actions.
    The great thing today is that there are so many voices pushing back that any sane adult can be de-brainwashed in fairly short order. Particularly if the get a job, marry, have kids, or start a business.

    • UCSPanther

      For the most brainwashed University Student, meeting reality is the same as getting hit by freight train.

      It is usually then, that they learn that ideology doesn’t make them invincible.

    • Raymond_in_DC

      You underestimate their capacity to compartmentalize. Lots of them built families and prospered while still retaining the trappings, and even mindset, of their radical youth. They still give, often heavily, to left-wing causes.

      And for those in tenured university positions, it’s even easier as they can pass their nonsense to a new generation without fear of being fired. It’s better than being a government employee as they don’t even have to pretend to work a nominal 40 hours.

      • Steeloak

        “Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.”
        — Winston Churchill

    • newsel

      With a voting age of 18 a lot of damage has been caused while waiting for these brainwashed adolecants to grow up. Some never do and go onto become Community Organisers.

    • Bamaguje

      With the conspiratorial lamestream media on their side, I’m not sure ‘reality’ can undo the damage of leftist brainwashing.
      Consequently, Obama was reelected despite his obvious incompetence and ineptitude.

    • physicsnut

      we ought to de-indoctrinate the universities.

  • alericKong

    I noticed these thugz lifers break down and cry like little children when they are caught. It almost makes it worth it.

  • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

    I often disagree with Prager but he’s dead on with this article. The schools are obsessed with race and gender. It is constant and in every discussion. The great ideas that move history are lost or considered mere rationalizations. The struggles for liberty is trivialized. It’s gotten to the point when someone mentions race, I dismiss them immediately. All substantial discussion has ended as far as I’m concerned.

  • kevinstroup

    Hardly anyone wants to recognize it, but there is a war on Western Civilization and the white people who exemplify it worldwide. In Europe, the muzloid scum are eradicating the whites slowly through violence and ethnic cleansing. In the U.S. there is a coalition of browns, blacks and leftist whites that seek to destroy Western Civilization and the white people who promote it. White guilt is but one tactic. White people of European descent need to stand up for themselves and fight back. Enough is enough.

    • 3rdjerseyman

      Hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Civ has got to go- chant led by Jesse Jackson at UCLA or Stanford 25 years ago.

    • nomoretraitors

      The problem is we are too dissolute and divided

      • Charles Martel

        That is true. There is a very small number of whites fighting for our rights. We have to be careful not to allow the nut jobs such as exist at counter currents to pollute the ranks. Liberals and conservatives who believe equality trumps logic on one side and the stinking hitler lovers on the other side.

        Ramzpaul had a god video about this yesterday.

  • Davros11

    When will whites stop allowing blacks to label them and their offspring. All races have had slavery in their past. Blacks and Muslims still participate in slavery now, slavery was not a white creation, it was and is still done by blacks and muslims…

    • American1969

      Ssshh! Stop that! Don’t confuse regressive leftists with facts! You’ll make their heads explode!

  • cxt

    The really sad part about the debate example is it is really not all that new. Many people over the years have opted for what is in effect for a “nullification” strategy.
    The even more tragic point is best illustrated by the “F-the time” comment. The student have come to believe that the “rules” simply don’t matter and yet its the “rules” that allow fair competition in the first place.
    In a very real sense its that most people mostly follow the “rules” that allows the USA to function much better than most other nations.
    What they clearly don’t grasp is that their strategy only works as long as their opponents follow the rules—and they don’t. If EVERYONE decided to ditch the rules then their ploy would be useless.
    Even worse these same people with their contempt for the “little people” and their rules will be out in the workplace, I shudder to think what corners they cut and what other “rules” they will decide don’t apply to them…..while expecting everyone else to behave.

    • kikorikid

      They are lawless but demand conformity
      to their every whim. Tyranny by any other name.
      A Tyranny of the Minority that is rapidly morphing
      into a Fascist state.
      In the spirit of the Founders,
      DOWN WITH THE KING!

  • http://johnnyangel10.WordPress.com JohnnyAngel Advocacy Group

    For the white conservative male, you know the straight,kind and generous God fearing type who may enlist in the military, well….why bother? What would he be fighting for? Gay marriage,leftist teachings on whiteness? What and why should this backbone of the military enlist? Let gays and women and minorities fight for our non-rights ! Unfortunately, when freedoms are lost to leftist idealists, the leftist military will have no qualms rounding up and executing the evil white male. Oh no? WAIT AND SEE !!

    • kikorikid

      32* 51′ N
      104* 28′ W

  • Habbgun

    White means specifically American. The idea is America is just a mob and not deserving of success. Meanwhile the fact that a European nation has government run healthcare or believes in global warming or whatever is enough to be proof positive this is the absolute best way to be or believe. Somehow if the Europeans get back into the global power game I doubt that whiteness will be anything but a virtue.

  • MarilynA

    The truth is that cream will rise to the top. Those with higher IQs will always become leaders unless there is forced affirmative action that mandates otherwise. In it’s quest for racial equality, our federal government has affirmative actioned the less than most qualified ( based entirely on race) into positions of leadership and power. As a result, our standing in the world has gone down in direct proportion to the number of unqualified people who are now running our government agencies. If this trend continues, I predict our once great country will become a third word sh*t hole within 50 years.

    • nomoretraitors

      I think it will be much sooner than 50 years

      • kikorikid

        Are we there yet?

  • kasandra

    Yup, no standard of intellect, behavior or decorum can withstand political correctness. Regarding the main theme of the article, a friend mine’s daughter went to Cornell. Her very first assignment as a freshman was to find a print ad and explain how it furthered discrimination. I mean, it wasn’t even a question. It was simply assumed that advertisements do this. You see, these corporations and advertising agencies want to discriminate against potential purchasers by placing hidden derogatory messages in their ads.

  • http://historyscoper.com/ T.L. Winslow

    Isn’t it terrible how American blacks are attempting to transform once White Is Right America into an African nation? Excuuse them, but they can’t help themselves, it’s so fun, and doesn’t require hard work in actually learning anything about history. :) When they really get serious and want to learn history as it happened, they’ll have to rise above their flesh and blood and become disembodied spirits peering into the grave and putting the corpses’ flesh back on and getting them to talk, in other words, they’ll have to respect the distance of time, otherwise they’ll always be pikers.

    Only my Historyscoper Web site lets you use the power of the Internet to multiply your IQ to peer back fast and accurate and leap over the decades to anywhere you want to dive in. Try my U.S. Historyscope and African-American Historyscope to get your feet wet. Sorry, I haven’t completed my great White Historyscope yet, it’s going to be pretty huge :)

  • trayvon’s mammy

    Come on now, the ‘groids built some impressive mud huts in their homeland.

  • http://shugartpoliticalaction.shugartmedia.com/uncommonsense/ Chris Shugart

    If you judge American history through contemporary spectacles you’ll always get a perspective that’s inherently flawed. Back then, rich white anglo males were part of the ruling class, not because they were immoral, but because that’s the way it was. To discount American values because the founders participated in things we now reject, makes as much sense as opposing doctors because they used to bleed their patients.

  • 3rdjerseyman

    We could have gotten along with the 13% of the population that’s black, but we screwed up and changed our immigration laws to become a third world country. Now, our politics is turning into a racial spoils system not very different from the tribal or ethnic politics common in Africa, Asia and Latin America.

    We were warned, but we didn’t listen.

  • Jeff Ludwig

    As a retired high school history teacher, I can attest that what Mr. Prager writes is true. The overaching values guiding the Founding Fathers are downplayed. This lead me to write an article, “Does the Declaration of Independence Tell The Truth,” which appeared at americanthinker.com on July 4, 2010. It’s essentially on the same subject as this article. However, Mr. Prager’s description of the “debate” adds a more ominious, a more alarming note, to this sea change of understanding. Sometimes I become quite depressed at this turn of events and other developments in our society which suggest impending doom…yes, I know some will pigeonhole me as an alarmist, but I see chaos and doom on the horizon.

    • Drakken

      Your not the only one who sees trouble on the horizon and as history has so apply demonstrated time and time again, we will be no different. Where ever diversity and multiculturalism has ever been tried or enforced, sooner or later it comes to a boiling point and the bloodletting begins. Let the economy tank a little more and throw a million more folks out of work and then watch as things play out to its nasty conclusion.

      • Jeff Ludwig

        I’ll have to agree with you here Mr. Drakken, but honestly do not think it will even take another million folks out of work. I will not be surprised to see martial law enacted in one or more places within the next five years for one reason or another.

        • Drakken

          I just look at what happened to that rancher in Nevada and see that folks from all over the country came to his defense, this and other events like this, will one way or another explode in rage, and then it will be far too late to impose anything on the public, and then old scores will be settled that have been simmering for years. The inner cities will burn and folks out in the country will shoot anything that comes on their properties to protect it, this one way or another does not end well.

          • UCSPanther

            I still see a lot of Dem ideologues who are very angry over that, and I have even seen a few openly wishing that it ended like Tianenmen Square or Andijan.

            Shows the mindset that we are up against…

    • kikorikid

      I refused to teach their revisionist history
      so I Subbed for years. I,too, see chaos but
      very limited Doom. Doom for the Oppressors!
      DEATH TO JIHADIS
      MOLON LABE!

  • nomoretraitors

    Lord, speed the day when I can see these traitors hang by their necks

  • Charles Martel

    Dennis, I like you best when you stick with subjects such as your lecture that God wants us to be happy. When it comes to history you are parroting the standard conservative line. It’ slime to move on and be honest. There is nothing wrong with honesty. It frees the spirit.

    Our founders were white men. By today’ standards they were extremely racist. It was common sense for them to know that white men and black men on average are not the same and not even capable of living together I a common western society. In could quote you countless documents showing the same. A more common example is Lincoln’s own speech to a group of black men urging them to leave American. Another is the society that was founded by many of our leading men of yesteryears with the primary purpose of repatriating slaves to Africa.

    These men did not consider women on whole to be equal to the governing of society as men are. It wasn’t even seriously debated.

    These men were what I would now consider traditional conservatives. They fully up understood something we deny even with facts of life staring us in the face. What did they understand? That all men are not created equally qualified. We are created equal only in relation to God and His justice which should be exercised by society as well.

    • philbest

      Bear in mind that Martin Luther King talked about “cashing a cheque drawn on the bank of the Christian values on which the nation was founded”. That is the right attitude, not “trash the values because people who held them were also racists at one time”.

      • kikorikid

        Careful, you are going to blow some
        fuses here with your common sense
        approach. Yours is the point they
        intentionally miss. “People who held
        them” were then. The group you are referring
        too, White. I’m not one of those who lived
        and believed as they did then,yet, I am still
        to be punished.
        Diversity teaches ,”If White, then Racist.”
        The fallacy of the excluded middle term.

    • American Patriot

      You are repeating lies and propaganda against Abraham Lincoln (a man who, as president, made all the efforts to free the slaves held in captivity in the South) from Lerone Bennett, Jr. and Manning Marable, the latter of who supports the racist Cuban Communist dictator Fidel Castro, whose regime jailed and tortured the longest served black political prisoner in modern history, who was Eusebio Peñalver. Mr. Peñalver was jailed for 28 years-from 1960 to 1988-for opposing the Communist dictatorship ruling his country during the so-called “War against the Bandits” (the “bandits” was the term used by the Castro dictatorship to label their armed pro-democracy militant opponents, many of whom were country folks living in rural areas of Cuba). In Stalinist/Apartheid Cuba, about 85% of Cuba’s prison population is black, while only about 10% of Cuba’s ruling Communist Party is black. Yet, the Castro family has received undeserved praises from useful idiots and apologists around the world, while a great president like Abraham Lincoln gets smeared as a racist and a pro-slavery defender. Get your facts straight about history.

  • Charles Martel

    Love of one’s own race and a desire to congregate with like individuals and with shared life experiences does not make someone racist. It is hatred of another group or the thought that you are superior simply because of your race that makes you racist. Subtle nuances make a big difference in the proper understanding of this in light of the distorted view the left and even the right currently portray. Just because the science shows that on average whites are smarter than blacks does not give me the right to hate blacks and consider them less than human or take away their dignity. They are superior in physical strength and endurance. True diversity recognizes this and capitalizes on it.

    I for one have long ago decided i will not feel guilt for the race I was born into. Call me racist? “Okay”, so I say.

    • johnnywood

      I also got over my “White guilt” many years ago.

    • Marcus

      Shouldn’t you love all of humanity? Isn’t that what every religion teaches? The immorality of ethno-nationalism is not the fact that you love your own race but that you choose not to love others. You can only be truly compassionate to those inside your group, whatever you define it to be divided by political ideology, ethnicity or religion. This is the reason for all conflict in the world; the evil of ethno-nationalism was exemplified by the Germans and Japanese in their slaughter of those outside their defined group. Of course they would have justified it out of ‘love on their own race.’

      You had no control over the race you came into this world as but you made a conscious decision to pick your allegiance.

  • LawReader

    Congressman Jim Clyburn (D-SC) is quoted as saying, ““The entire English language was created by slave owners as a means of oppression. You can’t just say that one word is a racist code word or another. The whole language, every single word, letter and apostrophe in it is racist. It’s a fact. If you speak English, you’re a racist.”

    This is the face of *entrenched* racism – and it’s not remotely coming from white people.

    What currently passes for ‘higher education’ in the US wouldn’t have made septic tank level a generation ago – and it’s only likely to get worse until whites grow a backbone – and unfortunately far too many liberals are genetically incapable of that feat.

    • laura r

      english has been around for many 100s of yrs. what an ignorant person.

    • kikorikid

      Clybum would be one ‘O’ those Ebonics guys, right?

  • Charles Martel

    For a clear picture of what happens everyday to white people across America and the horror within the black community google sbpdl. Mr. Kersey does an excellent job of chronicling the everyday horror and cruelty that is wrought right here in a society founded and run once by prosperous old white men, men which some have said they hope will die off soon as if that will bring about a utopian society. Once again, I say look to South Africa, once a booming prosperous country within 20 years of black control turned into one of the most dangerous countries in the world.

    The Jewish community of Israel has it right. Secure the border and deport those who do not belong and can’t or won’t benefit society.

    • Marcus

      Who are you going to deport then? Who doesn’t belong? Is it just the illegals?

      If you want a reasonable forum with the American people you can’t just slip and slide over what you really want to happen because they could lump you with any white nationalist goal.

  • johnnywood

    I will never understand how “readin`, ritin`,and rithmatic” constitutes “acting White”. Someone help me out here please.

  • BuzEaston

    Years ago the San Francisco Chronicle had an article with the headline, “Stanford puts an end to Western Civilization.” What they meant was that Western Civ. Was no longer a required course. Sadly, Stanford has done much in bringing about the other meaning of that headline.

  • Ellman48

    “They are apt to see rich, white males who are not great and who did not
    found a great country. And for many, it is worse than that. These men
    are not only not great; they are morally quite flawed in that they were
    slaveholders and/or founded a country that allowed slavery. Moreover,
    they were not only all racists; they were all sexists, who restricted
    the vote to males. And they were rich men who were primarily concerned
    with protecting their wealth, which is why they restricted the vote to
    landowners.”

    In other words, they have been brainwashed by academia and by media, without realizing what has happened to them. They have been isolated and sheltered from alternative conceptions and views because the Left dominates academia and propaganda media.

    They are the sheep who have been shepherded by wolves.

  • Ellman48

    “Inner city young blacks who work hard in school are routinely chastised by other black youth for “acting white.”

    And so, receiving this kind of discouragement, how do we expect black students to excel academically? But maybe that’s not important anymore. Maybe becoming an athlete, a Hollywood star, a gigolo are more important in today’s world? No wonder Asians will be excluded in university ‘diversity quotas’.

  • Lynne Marton

    I have one major problem with this article – and that is, calling muslims Asians!!!! That is so wrong – and I see it being done all over the world – and why??? So as not to “offend” the muslim perpetrators of unspeakable crimes against Western Civilization. Instead, the media, in order to be politically correct, unjustly insults a whole other race of people!! People that have absolutely nothing to do with this “issue” at all! These muslims, and their insidious political machine called islam, are the ones that are destroying our free world – and that is their goal – to take over and install sharia law in every country. Why are our gov’ts – not only the U.S. – but all over the world – allowing this to happen??? Are they so afraid of them? These individuals will not go away!! They are waging war on Western Civilization and they mean to eradicate it and all our values and US!!!! WAKE UP!!!! We have to stop the petty little arguments and chit-chat – before it’s too late. If you don’t believe it, they have said it loud and clear – all you have to do is go to You Tube – there are many thousands of videos with them screaming out to kill the infidels – and those infidels are all of us. If we don’t all get together and forget this stuff, who is right, who is wrong, and look at the bigger picture, all of your debates and arguments, and discussions will mean nothing – it will be too late for all of us. Intelligence means nothing if you aren’t smart too!!

  • Charles Martel

    Mr. Prager, here is a good little reference for you to get an actual idea of what some of our promenent founders felt about race particularly blacks. I do not make any excuses for them. I think they were great men, even great white men. They understood the nature of humanity and understood the differences inherent in races. Fred Reed has a good article at Taki Mag today describing his thoughts on being called a racist. “So what.”, I love that answer.

    “The American Colonization Society was only the best known of many organizations founded for the purpose of removing Blacks from North America. At its inaugural meeting in 1816, Henry Clay described its purpose: to “rid our country of a useless and pernicious, if not dangerous portion of the population.”[23] The following prominent Americans were not just members but served as officers of the society: James Madison, Andrew Jackson, Daniel Webster, Stephen Douglas, William Seward, Francis Scott Key, Winfield Scott, John Marshall, and Roger Taney.[24] James Monroe, another President who owned slaves, worked so tirelessly in the cause of “colonization” that the capital of Liberia is named Monrovia in recognition of his efforts.”

    Deal,with those facts please.