10,000 Black Palestinians Struggle with Racism in Gaza

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century.


She's uh... native. Really.

She’s uh… native. Really.

Incidentally that means that some 1% of Muslims in Gaza are Africans, in part or in whole, and are fairly recent arrivals, rather than any kind of native residents of the land.

That’s not surprising since the “Palestinians” are mainly Arabs from the region who moved in. That goes triple for the Arab Muslims who usually followed the Christians and then took over places like Bethlehem and Ramallah.

Al-Monitor met with political activist Samah al-Rawagh, 33, at her home and asked her whether she experienced any discrimination due to her skin color. She made light of the matter. Yet, when her father Ahmad al-Rawagh, 80, recounted incidents he had experienced involving racism, Samah was shocked. “That’s the first time I’ve heard such stories from you,” she said.

“I struggled a lot to overcome the difficulties caused by the color of my skin. I always had to doubly prove myself at school, at work and in life, because I’m dark-skinned,” Ahmad said.

He said that they are originally from Sudan. His ancestors came at the beginning of the 20th century and lived in Palestine — in a village called Roubin, neighboring Jaffa — until 1948, when they were forced to migrate to the Gaza Strip. “But I never felt that I did not belong here. Palestine is the homeland I have always known, and is a homeland to about 10,000 other dark-skinned people in the Gaza Strip.”

10,000 is a lot of people proportionately speaking. There are more Afro-Turks and Afro-Iraqis, but 10,000 Arab Africans in Gaza alone suggests that they came as part of a massive emigration.

There are no clear historical sources that speak about the African minority in Gaza, but there is an oral history passed down by families from one generation to the next. Journalist Ali Bakhit, 28, said that he learned from his great-uncle that his family originally comes from Ghana.

“Africans first entered Palestine during the Islamic conquests, specifically when Caliph Omar ibn al-Khattab entered Jerusalem, accompanied by a number of Africans. African communities from Chad, Nigeria, Sudan and Senegal came in the late 19th century, either for worship or to participate in the resistance,” Bakhit noted in an interview with Al-Monitor.

So we’re talking about conqueror settlers settling down. The Africans are the most obvious ones. But the rest were foreign settlers of a conquering empire as well displacing the indigenous Jewish inhabitants.
But there’s also slavery and more recent Ottoman empire building and military colonists.
According to Gaza Through History, a book by Ibrahim Sakik, wealthy families in the Gaza Strip participated in the slave trade hundreds of years ago. Another book, Delighting in the Wealth of Gaza’s History, notes that some of the residents of the Palestinian village of Berbera were dark-skinned people who came from Morocco.Al-Monitor asked multiple historians about the African minority, yet most of them noted that there were no books dealing with their history. “The majority of families with dark skin in Gaza originate from Sudan and Egypt, many of them came to work in the Ottoman Empire’s army hundreds of years ago,” noted Palestinian historian Salim Moubayed, speaking to Al-Monitor by phone.The “black neighborhood”

Next to the Rawagh family’s home there is an entire area on Jala Street inhabited by dark-skinned Gazans. The people and taxi drivers refer to it as the “black neighborhood” or the “dark-skinned neighborhood.”

Gaza has its own ghetto.

  • A Z

    “African communities from Chad, Nigeria, Sudan and Senegal came in the late 19th century, either for worship or to participate in the resistance,” Bakhit noted in an interview with Al-Monitor.”

    Resistance to who? The Muslim Turks?

    • Edward E

      Mass foreign race immigration did not happen “with mutual consent”.

      It was FORCED.

      No White country was EVER given a vote on whether it wanted to become multiracial.

      Foreign race Assimilation is FORCED in EVERY & ONLY White countries
      in employment, law, education, housing, healthcare, sports, policing
      etc.

      An “all-White” anything is illegal in White countries.
Combine mass
      immigration and FORCED assimilation and you have a clear policy of White
      geNOcide.

      Anti-racist is a >code< for Anti-White.

    • Jazz Payton

      This is HILARIOUS! BLACK PEOPLE INVADING HISTORICALLY BLACK LAND…. Are you all really that stupid?

      • Pete

        The people of the Middle East are semitic not black.

        The Semitic people are related to black people just as Semitic peoples are related to Caucasians.

        Are you saying that Arabs cannot tell the difference between themselves and Senegalese at a glance?

        • SteveBiko

          Arab is not a race, it’s an ethnicity. What he’s saying is that black people are native to the so-called “middle east”. Archeology proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt. The pale-skinned ones are Mamelukes (slave soldiers/mercenaries) imported by the ORIGINAL black arabs, Ottomans, Greeks, Romans (Byzantines) and descendants of WHITE (yes, that’s right) slaves that the ottomans gathered from all over during the course of time.

          Why do you think these idiots wear those long robes all the time, if they were indigenous, they’d have brown skin, just like any african. White skin isn’t exactly a good thing to have in those regions of the world. The Sun and its UV-rays are far too dangerous.

          • Pete

            The Hamito-Semetic Group is made up of the Semites, Cushites and Berbers. The Berbers for all intents and purposes look white. The type stretches from Egypt through Spain. You can see this through DNA analysis. The DNA is not from the Muslims invasion but is older and predates Roman times.

            You find darker people in some locals in Iraq. This is from the African slave trade. In the 9th century slaves almost defeated their Muslims Arab slave master and seized the country.This was called the Zanj Rebellion or Negro Rebellion. Zanj is another name for Bantu. The Bantu are not native to the Arabian peninsula. You can see the results of the slave trade in the faces of many Iraqis.

            The slave trade is also responsible for the African admixture found in Baluchistan and has influenced their music.

            The slave trade is also responsible for African ancestry found in Yemen.

            Zanzibar in Africa was a large slave market it was controlled by Oman. Who also controlled …. you guessed it Baluchistan for a time.

            In short Semites do not look like Celts, Germans or white people nor did they look like Nilo-saharans or Negroes from West Africa.

            You should get the book
            The Penguin atlas of African History by Colin McEvedy.

          • reality25

            “The Berbers for all intents and purposes look white”. That’s interesting because if you pick up any notable encyclopedia and look up Berbers you see many shades depending on their residence. Whose intent and purpose are you trying to emphasize? Even a simple google search on Wikepedia reveals:

            “The Berber identity is usually wider than language and ethnicity, and encompasses the entire history and geography of North Africa. Berbers are not an entirely homogeneous ethnicity and they encompass a range of phenotypes, societies and ancestries. The unifying forces for the Berber people maybe their shared language, belonging to the Berber homeland,or a
            collective identification with the Berber heritage and history.”

            Why do you only concentrate on Berbers that appear “white” and discard darker Berbers? Wasn’t there also a white slave trade in Africa as well? The same can be said about “Tuaregs” – many are black and there are those of mixed heritage. It seems that the old notion that if blacks are found anywhere outside of Africa proper it is always because of “slavery” or forced emigration. Yes, there was enslavement of various African groups (actually prisoners of war) in recent times but in the ancient world, many peoples were “enslaved” including the ancient Greeks. The term “slave” IS derived for the enslavement of Slavic peoples isn’t it? There has always been black aboriginals found across the globe PRIOR to any slave trades and this has been WELL DOCUMENTED by the ancient themselves.

            Lastly, so called blacks come in various shades, sizes, phenotypes, languages, etc and yes, were in Yemen and the rest of Arabia prior to the slave trade. Have you ever heard of Ethiopians and the Himyaritic script?

          • Pete

            Take the Taureg. They are Berbers. They are also dark. It is from living next door to West Africans and paying the bride price or kidnapping them (probably some of both). I think the Berbers are dark for the same reason the Shuwa Arabs (1) are dark, intermixing. But it is probably Semitic Y with African X getting thrown in. All we need is to look at the prevalence of the Y haplotypes.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplotype
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplotype_estimation
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-STR

            It would be a case of African and semitic mitochondria and semitic Y DNA if you looked at the Shuwa Arabs. So what are they? They don’t come from an African tradition. How do the Arabs in Sudan treat peole who are African through and through (X & Y chromosomes? Does their treatment Darfur or South Sudan ring a bell?

            Heck the noses should give it away. They are not related to West Africans except for recent intermixing in the last 1500 years (and previously of course for the out Of Africa theory but that would have been 100,00 years ago).

            I saw how my spouse looked very similar to a Somali by look at the nose and upper jaw. Then I found this story that would seem it back it up.

            First Eurasians left Africa up to 130,000 years ago

            http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/04/140421164242.htm

            You should study genetics more.

            (1) The Penguin Atlas of African History by Colin McEvedy

          • reality25

            Not once during your discourse did you answer the question of why when blacks are found outside of Africa, it is explained away as a consequence of forced migrations or slavery? There are dark skinned Latinos and hispanics because they are mixed. No one individual has to spend hours studying haplotypes to reach that conclusion. One Britiish observer I recalled on the BBC made the interesting statement that Palestinians resemble “Puerto Ricans”. One can safely conclude that there are Arabs of various genetic heritage. If your spouse has a “Somali” nose and jaw then maybe that phenotype may well be in her background. There are also “Somali” types in neighboring Kenya. Populations have merged and absorbed each other for quiet a while on this planet. Where are the white Somalis of Eurasia and what are they called? Ancient aboriginals were dispersed in parts of Asia and Europe as well.

            What you are espousing is the alternative scientific model contending that different “races” evolved independently of each other versus the out of Eve theory. Science is interesting. One group comes out with new scientific data challenging older scientific data and “facts” (really hypothesis) suddenly changes. It then becomes a political camp where conclusions are sometimes falsely used to justify internal prejudices even it defies the obvious. Maybe you can extend your study and check out the latest research led by the Chinese where a leading Chinese geneticist has now concluded that the Chinese genetic origins lay in Africa. This thought process brings the Khoisan phenotype to mind. Africans/ Aboriginals/ blacks have a wide range of phenotypes and thier geography has never been limited to the African continent. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2945812/

          • Pete

            This articles and discussion thread was to show/prove Arab and Middle East Muslim discrimination against Muslim of African/Negroid/Congoid ancestry. It did just that.

            What is really funny is that there are people that go trolling the internet posting on discussion threads that are 3 months old and for all intents and purposes dead. So I have believe that you have a wild air up azz and you are an activist. Your point is to berate, threaten or wear down people until they accept your point of view. It ain’t going to happen so you can put that in your pipe and smoke it.

            You do not want people to talk about Muslims on black racism or Arab on black racism. It doesn’t fit your narrative. Your narrative is that white Europeans and anyone who is western is bad and you want to put them on a guilt trip. Whatever. I have seen your posts. You think there is a KKK person around every bush.

            What you really want to do is show that semitic group is closer to the African group than the European group so you can do this whole us versus them thing.
            You are one piece of work. I hope you are not a Prince Hall mason like I was, because I would denounce you. You are racist; I’ve read you comments.

          • reality25

            No sir. I submit you are the racist and your language is unbecoming. Do not define my intent or twists my posts. No one said everything European is bad or that your azz was wild air. You are comical, hypocritical and very prejudiced. Good try, no cigar.

          • Pete

            I’ve seen your posts on Al Jazera, CNN and ABC.

            Do you even know what a Prince Hall mason is?

          • reality25

            And on Jin Li’s research regarding African origins of Chinese: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jin_Li

            http://youtu.be/TzyoMqxppR0

            (Note: He originally set out to disprove this theory but DNA data proved him wrong).

          • Pete

            I already covered that. I see that you caught up.

            http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/04/140421164242.htm

            I don’t need a scientific study. I can see it in my spouses facial features.

            When someone makes fun of African facial features, I know those features are about half there in Asians They are just not as pronounced. If they say something about blacks, I know what they will say about Asians if given half a chance.

            I also know that Asians will talk crap about Blacks (see the dolls in Japan) and that blacks will talk crap about Asians. It is a circular firing squad and everyone on the planet is invited.

            Judging from your posts you seem pretty racist. What is funny is that Alvin Toffler talks about singularity happening in 30 years. You will still be talking up a storm about racism

            I can see you running from a sky net type machine only running won’t help you because … well it is a machine and it don’t miss. but it won’t be funny, because I’ll be knee deep in trouble from the same machines.

            Ya what with you wasting every one’s time playing the race card every 15 minutes.

          • reality25

            Talking about race and racism does not make one a racist. For crying out loud the posts made were ALL a reaction to one group oppressing the other. If was it was racism against Mexicans, the Roma, Filipinos, etc it would be inhumane and wrong Now your running all over the place, topic to topic making crazy statements. Good grief..

          • Pete

            What you and the brainwashed Norwegian disputed was that Berbers are Caucasian, because it did not fit your racist narrative. We can go around all day.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_people

            One more thing, you should be careful what you post. your mask is slipping.

          • Pete

            Here ya go racist.

        • Theodora

          The original Hebrews were African, they migrated into West East and south Africa, the Mameluks were European slaves concripted into the military who later came to rule. The Berbers are the same Mameluks who commaneered the Berber name, You keep on talking about countries next to West African, Algeria, Morocco, Lybia, Egypt and Tunisaia are not they have African indigenous Berber as well as the mixed race pale Arabs, they are not white but mixed race. Whites have been on this planet for 5,500 years, the origional peoples of this world were black, the further you go back in time the blacker people get.

          • Pete

            “You keep on talking about countries next to West African, Algeria, Morocco, Lybia, Egypt and Tunisaia are not they have African indigenous Berber as well as the mixed race pale Arabs, they are not white but mixed race.”

            Every race is mixed. There are Phoencian, Greek and Roman contribution to the Berbers. But before that they looked like white/olive like most Mediterranean people.

            The “white” race is older than 5,500 years old. We’ll extract DNA form bones or invent a time machine or do DNA analysis and you will still be there screaming that it ain’t so.

            If it is only 5,500 years old and it spread so rapidly there must be some genetic advantage. Maybe they are more cooperative. They have 20% or so warrior gene compared to 30% or so for Africans.

            The Mameluks were not European. They were Caucasian, which is not quite the same thing. It is like saying Bantus are the same as Nilo-Saharans, which would not be a true statement. We can count the differences in the alleles.

            “The most enduring Mamluk realm was the military caste in medieval Egypt that rose from the ranks of slave soldiers who were mainly Cumans-Kipchaks of Turkic, Circassian and Georgian origin.” – wiki

            Last time I checked Kipchaks were not European.

            The Berbers look like they are uhmmmmmm Bantu or Nilo-Saharan. NOT!

            The Taureg are dark. They are also known raiders, traders and slavers and they raided south of the Sahara. HMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

            “In general, various DNA studies have found that the gene frequencies of North African populations are intermediate between those of the Near East, the Horn of Africa, southern Europe and Sub Saharan Africa, though Egypt’s NRY frequency distributions appear to be much more similar to those of the Middle East than to any sub-Saharan African population, suggesting a much larger Eurasian genetic component” – wiki

            The attached picture shows Hercules wrestling a Berber, who is SHOCK the same color as Hercules.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mameluks

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_people

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_admixture_in_Europe

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeogenetics_of_the_Near_East

          • Theodora

            There were not only Nubians in Egypt, there were Egypt and Nubia were in a consttant state of war, Egypt first invaded and ruled Nubia and Nubia fought back and invaded and ruled Egypt, they were both black. The Indigenous peoples of North Africa are still there and are still black. The Greeks invaded Egypt they were there for 300 years interbreeding with the populace, 300 hundred years of mixing with black people gets black people. The Greeks and Romans migrated to Europe from what is now Lebanon they were hardly Caucasian white to begin with.
            Like stated before the further you go back the blacker people become. The middle East is North East Africa, they didn’t just get there, they were always there, common gene traits is inevitable.

          • Pete

            Ramesses II suuuuuuuure looks black. NOT!

            Notice the hooked semitic nose and the straight hair.

            There were no Greeks invading Egypt in Ramesses’ time.

            Don’t believe your lying eyes Theodora. just believe the mantra.

            Seriously Theodora, you are the evil twin sister of Edward E. Just the flip side of the coin.

          • Theodora

            Looks there are a lot of black people who do not have typical black features in and out of Africa. Stop stereotyping Africans, we come in different phenotypes, hair textures, facial features, eye colouring. They are still black and African. You are delusional.

          • Pete

            Yes, so many people from West Africa without Arab heritage have non-kinky hair.

            I know genetics better than you.

            “Afro-textured hair is tightly coiled, kinky hair. It is a ubiquitous trait among Negroid populations.”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negroid

            What you should focus ion is neotony. That usually has been linked to longevity and intelligence. You should be able to shut up racists by pointing out neoteny. But you are just another type of delusional racist.

            “Neoteny

            Ashley Montagu lists “neotenous structural traits in which…Negroids [generally] differ from Caucasoids… flattish nose, flat root of the nose, narrower ears, narrower joints, frontal skull eminences, later closure of premaxillary sutures, less hairy”

          • Theodora

            What do you know, what I know, as for me being a racist your not even educated enough to know what it means, you sound like a child, your the one one that sounds like a rabid racist. You are quoting another rabid racist. You know nothing about Africa let alone West Africa, wikipedia really? Your last comment proves your level of education. You come from a point of the racist stereotype. Frankly you sound pathetic and desperate.

          • Pete

            I have been all they way around the world and have visited dozens of countries. One of my parents is a foreigner and my spouse is too. I have 2 bachelors and a masters in STEM subjects and am well read. So whatever.

            I have relatives on 3 continents and spent a good potion of my youth on a 4th continent. I do not have a provincial outlook.

            Wikipedia is a good start. The more political the topic the more suspect. But Wikipedia does have footnotes and sources.

            So far today I learned why eating bracken causes cancer. It is a cause for concern in Scotland and in the Rift Valley for instance. You should be able to figure how it happens without reading the whole article. Well maybe not you.

            I have read your posts. I got all year, so back to you.

          • Theodora

            Wikipedia is never a good start. I have a BA in History from Kings Colege London, because I was sick and tired of conversations like this. Travel is a requirement.Thankfully my tutors werr incredibly enlightened.

          • Pete

            Now I know why you a ______ in the head. You were educated in the slums of academia.

            I’m sorry. If I had only known i would have treated you with kid gloves.

          • Theodora

            You know so much about me, really the slums of Notting hill, pretty posh slums. Oh but you are stereotyping again.
            Does your spouse know what you really think about black people?

          • Pete

            No the slums of academia.

            I have told my kids the same thing. One of them went from Biology to English.

            The slums.

            It has nothing to do with race.

            Try Again harder,

          • Theodora

            I think you should try harder. You should also grow up.

          • Pete

            You should try to get a real degree.

          • Pete

            “I have two, but thanks for the advice.” -Theodora

            You said you had a BA in History now you have 2 degrees. And?

            I have 3.what difference does it make?

            I find you history degree very underwhelming. If you had an accounting degree, now that would be interesting.

          • Pete

            “An accounting degree, really! Learning by rote as to opposed to actual research.” – Theodora

            A real degree that helps the world. There are not enough people with degrees in accounting, actuarial science, engineering etc. There are to many in the social sciences.

            There are too many organizations that are not well run. We have lawyers but not enough people trained in accountancy.

          • Pete

            “An accountant will help the world, all they do is help rich and companies hide their money. The world does not need accountants.” -Theodora

            “Forensic accountants help find & convict criminals.”

          • Pete

            “So what!! That is not helping the world.” -Theodora

            Putting white collar criminals in jail is not helpful. It does not help the world?

            Wow, that is pretty obtuse check of the month club.

          • Pete

            “People can help the world in many different ways, at the end of the day those careers are not altruistic, it’s all about the money and accolades, so please spare me the this is better that that paradigm.’ – Theodora

            So running a nonprofit and becoming a millionaire is altruistic but keeping energy prices low so poor and middle class folk can heat their houses in the winter is not.

            So Robert F Kennedy who just got married (is filthy rich and drove his ex-wife to suicide IMO) is an altruists, but an engineer in India, who devises a way to make clean water cheaper using UV, is not.

            Well that is what I expect from a check of the month club person.

          • Pete

            Looking at the ethnic groups and I am not seeing it.

            ” Hausa and the Fulbe/Fulani, the overwhelming majority of whom are Muslim. Other major ethnic groups of the north are the Nupe, Tiv, and Kanuri. The Yoruba people a …The Efik, Ibibio, Annang, and Ijaw …”

            My non-European spouse would never be like you. If there was ever such an argument, they would simply state “they are superior”, turn around and do something productive without another thought.

            You … You have an inferiority complex and what is so funny is that you need not have one.

          • Pete

            “Nice job Wikipedia” – Theodora

            Like Wikipedia would lie about what the different ethnic groups look like.

            Ok you walked that dog (argument). I did not think you had it in you to be that dogmatic.

          • Pete

            “You do know Wikipedia do not edit the pages, anyone can edit Wikipedia pages that is why it is not a REPUTABLE site regarding information. You don’t know me to even state that, Oh I am by the way.” -theodora

            You are what?

          • Pete

            “You don’t know me to even state that, Oh I am by the way.” -theodora

            You are what?

            I did not understand your sentence fragment.

          • Pete

            “Oh I am by the way.” -theodora

            You are what?

            I did not understand your sentence fragment.

            Did you mean to say I am (______) BTW

            or

            I am bi- [by] the way.

          • Theodora

            Let me save you some time look at the Samburu people of Kenya, the Sans people of South Africa. Africans are the most diverse people on the planet, we do not come in one phenotype.

          • Pete

            Sans people have peppercorn hair . It is similar to Bantu hair but still kinky. My spouse has a lot of traits in common with Bantu people especially in facial features. So I have never said they’re was anything wrong with those type of features nor would I. I am merely pointing out that Berber are not Bantu/negroid. Nor are they Nilo-Saharans.

            It seems that you have a self inflicted inferiority complex.

          • Theodora

            A self inflicted inferiority complex, that is another one of your delusions.
            Neither did I say there was anything wrong with certain features, in Nigeria alone there are 250 ethnic groups, with varying features hair texture and colour, with varying shades of eye colouring of blue, green, hazel and brown. alone let alone the rest of West Africa, let alone the rest of Africa.
            The fact that your spouse is black confirms to me that white people can still sleep with white people and still be racist.
            Thank you for sharing that with the world.

          • Pete

            Yes, I would expect to find lots of blue eyes in Nigeria.

            Very high percentage too.

            I also expect to find Norwegians 200 years ago to have
            had kinky hair.

            I have got the whole genetic thing figured out from kinky hair to skin color, to hypertension to sickle cell anemia.

            The occurence and genetic pressure that produced sickle cell anemia is no different than the genetic pressure from disease organism that produced a high incidence of cystic fibrosis in Europeans or Tay-Sachs in European Jews. It has all been explained in the science mags. There is nothing to be ashamed of. It is as AL Jahiz and Ibn Khaldun said.

            Ashley Montagu lists “neotenous structural traits in which…Negroids [generally] differ from Caucasoids… flattish nose, flat root of the nose, narrower ears, narrower joints, frontal skull eminences, later closure of premaxillary sutures, less hairy

            What is funny about you is that you like trolling different forums and crying racism. The boy who cried wolf.

            Maybe you should worry about what is at your door like Boko Haram and Ebola. Or maybe how Obama is going to talk a good game but not do a thing for Nigeria.

          • Pete

            “Hypertension is not genetic, it created by stress and a foreign diet. African Americans especially are age internally at a predominant rate because of stress. Really what forums have I been on? And who are you to tell me what I shouldn’t do!
            Your still going on about with your N_zi propaganda.
            As for Boko Haram we and Ebola you should know they and it came from your country. Yes we all know, thank you Edward Snowdon.”

            ***

            Hypertension is caused by an adaptation at the genetic level to heat stress. I can’t find the paper right now.

            I see you missed how cholera causes cystic fibrosis, how pneumonia cause tay-sachs and how malaria causes sickle cell. The populations with these genetic mutations are not inferior. They are what they have to be to survive.

            But now you are amply justifying my judgment that you come from the slums of academia.

            Ebola came form the U.S. or did Boko Haram come from the U.S.?

            Now I think I am being punked. Either that or talking to a dolt.

          • Pete

            “Boko Haram is funded armed by the CIA, it is well know that Ebola came from a military lab in the USA.” -Theodora

            Barak Obama is funding the Boko Haram?

            You are either trying to punk me or you have been racist for so long, you are an idiot.

            See what I mean about History being the slims of academia.

            Anyway I I have copied your comment and I will see about getting a trace done. I think the British will be interested. I don;t need to know who you are but I am sure they will want to know.

            They bar racists from the country like Gellar, Spencer and you will be banned too.

            Remember you cannot erase your DisQus account :)

          • Pete

            “The CIA, the same CIA that spyed on the senate, has nothing to do with history. Like I stated before, you really need to know what racism is, you clearly don’t.

            Inteersted in what! As for tracing me, the UK is not a vicious police state like the USA, But I am sure they know who all David Camerons neighbours, he will be moving back in next year.” – Theodora

            Like I said you come from the slums of academia. As if labs could have made something like that before 1975

            “Ebola virus was first isolated in 1976 during outbreaks of Ebola hemorrhagic fever in Zaire and Sudan.” -wiki

            Was that after the CIA built a “flux capacitor” in 1995 and went back in time to infect people?

            The movie “Back to the future” was based on true events. The CIA was not happy about the leak of their time machine. That leak to Hollywood cost the U.S. the lead in timewarp tech to the Russians. Based on the information gleaned form the film the Russians were able to make their own time machine. they used a Trabant instead of a DeLorean obviously

          • Pete

            Just so you know ebola is a hemorrhagic fever. Every continent has one or more. In the U.S. we have hanta virus.

            It is spread by mice/rodents. The Americans Indians of the southwest will abandon a house if they find mice droppings in it.

            So if the CIA made Ebola what were the original hemorrhagic fevers in Africa. Are you going to tell me that Africa had none?

            Well you might, you come from the slums of academia.

          • Pete

            “Actually there was never a history of Ebola in Africa, the same way there was never a case of smallpox in the Americas.” -Theodora

            Wow, Africa and Antarctica, the only 2 continents without a hemorrhagic fever. who would have thunk it except for a NOI disciple from Philly.

          • Theodora

            You should know.

          • Pete

            “You should know.” -Theodora

            I’ll let your statement stand for all to see. I know who you are now anyway.

          • Theodora

            As in you should know because that is what you are. You know absolutely nothing about me, you neither have the ability or wherewithal.You are just going on the tried and tested stereotype that people like you use for African Americans.

          • Pete

            As in you should know because that is what you are. You know absolutely nothing about me, you neither have the ability or wherewithal.You are just going on the tried and tested stereotype that people like you use for African Americans. -Theodora

            Sure that is me, Mr Prince Hall Mason, stereotyping poor ‘lil ole Theodora.

            I don’t need to. You do a fine job doing it yourself. to yourself.

            You realize that Theodora God’sGift in Greek. Couldn’t you have used an African language? Of course not, because you are not really Africa. You are NOI.

          • Pete

            “The same Ebola virus created in 1976, how to you patent a virus? It’s funny how there is a sudden miracle cure, and the company who created shares have gone through the roof today. America the great Satan.”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemorrhagic_fever

            You’re NOI aren’t you

          • Pete

            “Hypertension is not genetic, it created by stress and a foreign diet. African Americans especially are age internally at a predominant rate because of stress.”

            , gene-influenced diseases like hypertension and type 2 diabetes mellitus

            No one would doubt that sickle-cell anemia is a disease. It has a major fitness impact in a colloquial sense, as well as evolutionarily. It kills you, and it kills your potential genetic lineage. >>>But, it is also a byproduct of adaptation to endemic malaria.<<<

            http://discovermagazine.com/2007/may/is-there-a-genetic-basis-to-race-after-all

            http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/07/disease-as-a-byproduct-of-adaptation/

            Try Again Harder!

          • Pete

            BTW, why are trolling an article from April 21st of this years.

            The thread has been”dead” for 3 months 1 week.

            You must troll all sites on certain topics to ensure threads eventually agree with you and are “up to” or “down to” your standards.

            But why not come here when there are dozens or hundreds or readers and posters?

            What are you afraid of?

      • Pete

        Here is what is really creepy.

        The West African Muslims who came to Gaza over a hundred years ago are still distinct from other “good” Muslims.

        Everything being equal there would have been more intermarriage.

        But there is not.

        Those Arab Muslims must be too good to marry African Muslims

        ***
        That is almost as creepy and lame as you posting a reply to a comments 3 months old.

    • Theodora

      I can’t find your reply, you don’t know what you are talking about, the ad mixture is as a result of multitude of invasions from the East into Africa. The middle East itself is North East Africa. My people migrated due to these invasion the last one being the Islamic one. from what what is now called Palestine/Isreal , because of my geniology and the supposition that North Africans are different from West Africans I am classed as mixed race, I don’t have any European DNA in me what so ever, I am Semetic, For
      your information West Africans come in shade from very dark to very pale
      with blue, green, hazel, brown eyes or red, blonde light brown to dark
      brown hair these people are not mixed with not one drop of Caucasian
      DNA, they were there before European even knew about West Africa, It is ridiculous because African diversity is well know and race and colour as a concept is 500 years old. People like you stereotype the continent but you don’t know anything about it because you are colour contious and only dee the surface, or you see what you want to see, and forget the History.
      Before all these invasions the indigenous people were all black Africans of varying shades Turegs, Berbers I can name a few other tribal groups dark, the Turkish empire encompassed North Africa including Palestine which was historically part of Egypt.

      Black people did not invade Europeans invaded and mixed with the peoples of especially North Africa, where they stole the indigenous peoples names and keep them at the bottom in a perpetual caste system Where the blacks are not even allowed to hold public office or be in any meaningful positions, where people like you assume that there are only “white” Arabs in North Africa.

      Africans have been on this planet for more that 330,000 years and that is what is known to date with advancement to genome coding it would probably prove that black people are older. What you are doing is called appropriation, Africans cannot invade what was their to begin with as Jazz Payton stated.

      • Pete

        All those mummies and all the DNA from bones and studies all the sudden turned nonblack. RIIGHHHHT!

        The only European Berbers I know of are in Morroco. They arrived in the 4th/5th century.there would be descendants of the Visigoths. There language or dialect is different form other tribes.

        Of course when the Roman or the Greeks painted people from north Africa , they used th wrong pigments on purpose.

        “You keep on talking about countries next to West African, Algeria, Morocco, Lybia, Egypt and Tunisaia are not they have African indigenous Berber as well as the mixed race pale Arabs, they are not white but mixed race.”

        Every race is mixed. There are Phoenecian, Greek and Roman contribution to the Berbers. But before that they looked like white/olive like most Mediterranean people.

        The “white” race is older than 5,500 years old. We’ll extract DNA from bones or invent a time machine or do DNA analysis and you will still be there screaming that it ain’t so.

        If it is only 5,500 years old and it spread so rapidly there must be some genetic advantage. Maybe they are more cooperative. They have 20% or so warrior gene compared to 30% or so for Africans.

        The Mameluks were not European. They were Caucasian, which is not quite the same thing. It is like saying Bantus are the same as Nilo-Saharans, which would not be a true statement. We can count the differences in the alleles.

        “The most enduring Mamluk realm was the military caste in medieval Egypt that rose from the ranks of slave soldiers who were mainly Cumans-Kipchaks of Turkic, Circassian and Georgian origin.” – wiki

        Last time I checked Kipchaks were not European.

        The Berbers look like they are uhmmmmmm Bantu or Nilo-Saharan. NOT!

        The Taureg are dark. They are also known raiders, traders and slavers and they raided south of the Sahara. HMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

        “In general, various DNA studies have found that the gene frequencies of North African populations are intermediate between those of the Near East, the Horn of Africa, southern Europe and Sub Saharan Africa, though Egypt’s NRY frequency distributions appear to be much more similar to those of the Middle East than to any sub-Saharan African population, suggesting a much larger Eurasian genetic component” – wiki

        The attached picture shows Hercules wrestling a Berber, who is SHOCK the same color as Hercules.

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mameluks

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_p…

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_…

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeog…

      • Pete

        Just remember everyone was white before everyone was black before they differentiated.

        • Pete

          “Sweet mercy, what a load of nonsense.” -theodora.

          That is the theory any way that everyone was white then black then differentiated.

          I can see why a racist such as yourself or a Klansman would have problems for the opposite reasons. Me, I have no problems with that theory. Unlike you I am not a racist.

          It is a scientific theory (not mine), so I don’t have absolute proof. Bit it makes sense.

          You said that Africans come in a range of color of skin and eyes (blue, green, …). then all the sudden the fact that your ancestor might have all been white absolutely horrifies you. You can’t make this stuff up. Keep posting please, rascist Sir. :)

      • Pete

        Look a the picture, the one on the left is the Greek Hercules. The on on the right is the Berber Anteus. He has a different “Libyan” beard style.

        Note they are both white. Also note the facial features.

        • Theodora

          That is a Greek interpretation, the same way Europeans have done for many a century, so what, when did I say the Mummies were non black? There are still African indigenous people in Morocco an invasion in the 6/7th century does not make the white Arabs indigenous.

          The warrior gene had nothing to do with the spread, it was selection, the white skin and pale hair was a novelty the dark skinned men prefered these women because they were so different, Arabs to this day prefer white women. And where do Caucasian people come from? They came as slaves from Europe as did the women, they were drafted into the military, and certain key positions that eventually allowed for the slave to become the master. That is another reason why Arabs hate Africans. They continues through the Ottoman empire as a yearly treaty insisted that their European colonies send their children to be indoctrinated into Islam and in key positions, the girls in the harems, to further whiten their gene pool. The same way the Argenitinians and Chileans have done an the Brazilians have started to do. So yes the Mameluks were European, the slave caste made good.

          • Pete

            Mummies /Egypt Etc etc

            The Nubian dynasties were black, Nilo-Saharan I got that. I never said otherwise.

            What I have said is that the Egyptian were not black originally, which is what so many want to proclaim, because they have a an inferiority complex. Neither were they European.

            Before the Arab invasions the Berber looked in skin color pretty much like the Arabs. After all they came form the Semetic-Hamtic-Cushitc language group and share ancestry. Now the Cushitic people are dark. they are the people of Ethiopia. But the people of Ethiopa have some genetic distance from the Bantu originating in West Africa.

            Now the only reason West Africa was not as advanced as say Europe or the Middle East was because of the Sahara. Europe the Middle east and china were connected by the water (Mediterranean, Indian Ocean) and the steppe. The steppe is a sea of grass.

            If you continue with your racial narrative I am going to believe that you are something like a Nation of Islam follower. I don’t like those even though I was a Prince Hall Mason.

            Now the sad thing is we have a bad regime in Eritrea. If it were not so poorly run and corrupt socialist country, we could get some real archeology done there. I think it was one of the major loci of the agricultural revolution. but we can;t know for sure because we cannot dig safely. You can’t understand the very early history of Arabia (10,000 BC to 2,000 BC) until you understand Eritrea and Ethiopia.

            I read the people of UAE came from Somalia in the the people on the crescent from Yemen to UAE are darker than other Arabs. They came from the horn of Africa.

  • SoCalMike

    Once I had a professor in a class for teachers instruct the class that if you were not white, you could not possibly be racist and if AND ONLY if you were white by virtue of being white you were by definition racist regardless of whatever beliefs or feelings about race you held however non-racist. You were a member of the “power class” and by definition the R word.
    Still blows my mind I dumped money and time on this class but some things you just have to see for yourself.

    • Bamaguje

      You should have reported the ‘prof’ to university authorities.

      • Dan Borden

        For what….so the loon could get special recognition?? On today’s college campuses such idiocy is WELCOMED.

    • Smokey Grey

      That’s not even a logical statement. Speaks more to the quality of the staff than the curriculum. As a Soc. major I have never once heard ANY professor make a comment any where close to that, and I attended the ultra- LIBERAL UNC-Chapel Hill.

    • Yusuf O. Osman

      Quite senseless tbh!
      I would’ve countered his nonsensical argument if i were you! :)
      I’m Somalian & within our ethnic sphere, there’s tribal discrimination & in the larger-context, A large majority of Somali’s have disturbing views of our neighbouring countrymen! Physical feature wise, People of the horn of Africa look somehow different than other African people & in our language, They’ve coined a term namely called, ” Jareer & Madow “, to describe darker-skinned people or excessively dark Africans, “Jareer” roughly translates as ” Someone with wholly hair ” & “Madow” roughly means, Black & whenever they used it to describe other non-Somali Africans, It’s frequently meant in a negative manner, derogatory if i may say.
      A considerable majority of my people have this false-sense of superiority over other Africans mainly because, in their eyes, they look better ( soft features, often thought to be more Caucasian like ) & other factors among, so in short, Racism isn’t an only ‘ white ‘ issue, it’s a plague that rears its head in every society world-wide & my example is but merely one of the 100′s of other examples out there!

  • De Doc

    Where racism is concerned Islam is never an issue per Leftist mindset.

  • Alleged Comment

    So, you have African Negroes passing themselves off as Palestinians.

    We got one here passing himself off as president.

    • saiah

      Seriously??

      • Alleged Comment

        You heard what Ali said, his family CAME FROM GHANA!! He is African negroid, not Palestinian!

    • Janet Buddle-Price

      You are an idiot. Sometimes when idiots decide to think its best to keep your dumb thoughts to yourself

      • Alleged Comment

        The truth is sore sometimes. There was nothing wrong with what I said, but there is something wrong with Greenfield and his cowardice to deduce it to censorship.

        Very manly of him.

  • Vesuvius

    So how is this an article about racism?

  • kilfincelt

    If anyone really wants to know about Arabs and racism, I suggest the following: “The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa” by John Alembillah Azumah and “The Veiled Genocide” by Tidiane N’Diaye, a Sengalese Muslim. Unfortunately, the latter book is only available in French and needs to be translated, but it is any eye-opener.

  • American Patriot

    Shut up, you Islamist and supporter of Islamist Iran and racist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah. Israel has the only liberal democracy in the Middle East and Arabs living in Israel have more rights and liberties as Israeli citizens than people living in other countries in the Middle East. Why don’t you denounce the Islamist dictatorship in Sudan, which has committed genocide against its black African Christian population? It is because you support all the Islamist regimes. Learn from facts instead of echoing Islamist lies and propaganda.

  • Dan Borden

    Blacks in Israel have much better lives than blacks in any islamic sh!thole.

  • Gee

    Racism in Israel? Compared to whom? Israel has never had a single racial law – EVER. Now tell us which other country can make the same claim, I dare you to name one that has as good a record as Israel.
    The attacks are BY the blacks – who just so happen to be illegal African Muslim migrants. So you are a racist moronic liar.

    • Ali

      I made a reply to Steven Raff, in which I replied to your comment as well

  • American Patriot

    There is no apartheid in Israel, you Islamist useful idiot. Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East. Israel is the only country in the Middle East where homosexuals can hold a gay pride parade and not be persecuted. In your beloved so-called “Palestinian” (and I use the word “so-called” as well as quotes when I mention the word “Palestinian” because they are not an ethnicity nor is “Palestine” a nation-state. “Palestine” is simply another name for the Holy Land region) territories, as well as other countries in the Middle East (including your beloved Hezbollah’s Lebanon, Assad’s Syria and Islamist Iran), anyone holding a gay pride parade in thrown in jail, stoned to death and/or lynched from cranes for the “horrible crime” of being homosexual. Women have full rights and liberties in Israel, while in other Middle East countries (including your beloved “Palestinian”-ruled jurisdictions) they are treated like chattel and are regularly stoned to death by Islamist fanatics who hate women. And Jews are not allowed in many areas of other Middle East countries. Name me one Islamist leader who wants peace with Israel and the Jews, you radical Islamist useful idiot? The so-called “Palestinians” are an invented people. The so-called “nationality” was invented by the Soviet Union through the KGB and its puppet organization, the PLO, during the 1960s in order to try and discredit Israel’s right to exist.

  • American Patriot

    I already mentioned about the fact that Arabs living in Israel have more rights and liberties as Israeli citizens than people living in other countries in the Middle East. Regarding Hezbollah, the name of that Islamist terror organization ruling Lebanon means the “Party of God”. It is an Islamist militant organization just like Hamas who has the same goals as Hamas (Hamas’ goals are to destroy Israel and to commit a second Holocaust), and is funded by Islamist Iran. It is ridiculous that there are radical leftists and other supporters of Islamist aggression who call Iran democratic, while never mentioning the fact that Iran’s full name is the “Islamic Republic of Iran”. Unlike Israel’s full name (“State of Israel”), Iran’s full name has a name of a religion in the title. Furthermore, you don’t mention the fact that Assad’s Syria is a brutal dictatorship who has the backing of neo-Communist Russia, Communist China and Islamist Iran. Not only do those regimes not oppose the Assad regime, as well as the Islamist dictatorship in Sudan, but they openly support the Assad dictatorship because of their shared goals of destroying democracy, imposing a worldwide Communist/Islamist dictatorship and destroying the West, particularly the United States. Regarding Hezbollah and Al-Qaeda, another fact about those terrorist organizations is that they are both funded by (and are affiliated with) the Muslim Brotherhood, whose main goal is to impose a global Islamist fundamentalist state. Quit being an apologist for radical leftist/Islamist aggression.

    • Guest

      To claim a status, you have to prove it. Just by repeating
      the status you cant prove it! I don’t know which part of the definition of
      liberal democracy is hard for you to understand!

      A Liberal Democratic country is a country in which all
      citizens have equal rights and equal opportunities. Their human rights are
      respected and they are not subject to systematic discrimination.

      I already gave enough reasoning and presented enough proofs
      to show how far Israel and a liberal democracy are. The problem sometimes is
      not the truth, is the people who cant digest them!

      You mentioned the name of Israel is “ State of Israel ”.
      Does that cover up for the fact all Israeli politicians call it the Jewish
      State as well? In the recent negotiations with PLO one of the main requests of
      Israeli side was that PLO recognize Israel as a Jewish state which is the best
      example and sign of systematic discrimination against all other citizens.

      You mentioned Iran and its name to be “ Islamic Republic of
      Iran “ and called it non democratic for that reason and the discrimination against
      non Muslims there. Well, great that you mentioned that, because you just proved
      my point yourself that calling a country by a specific religion, color or
      ethnic group feature is an obvious sign of discrimination against others. Obviously
      Islamic Republic of Iran is not a democratic regime for the same reason, but
      the problem is that you consider that reason a sign of not being a democracy in
      the case of Iran but in the case of Israel you suddenly change all standards.

      Also you claimed there has never been a Palestinian nation!
      Well, at this point its obvious that your goal is not to have an educated discussion.
      Maybe more of trying to make other laugh! Not a bad idea if you explain who
      these millions of people living in the occupied area are? As far as we know,
      after creation of Israel, Palestinian systematically been pushed out of the
      lands and forced to refugee camps and no one has been allowed back, so who are
      these millions there? Have they appeared out of nowhere? The demographic data
      of people before creation of Israel in that area is well documented and
      available and shows Muslim Arabs are the significant majority of the region.
      Are you really trying to say the immigration of Zionists to that region didn’t happen??

      Plus you keep repeating the Arabs don’t have much rights in
      other Arab countries as well. Are you trying to blame your support and American
      support for the dictators in Arab countries on the people who are subjected to
      those dictators? If it wasn’t Israel and American support for such dictators
      they would be gone long time ago. So don’t try to project crimes of others on
      those people!

      You also mentioned the support of some for Assad in Syria to
      make a communist/Islamist regime there. Not a bad idea if you at least search
      the definition of terms before stating claims. Communism is in total
      contradiction in major aspects with Islamic states . I should note Islamic
      states meaning can vary significantly based on interpretations however in non
      of them is it can be unified with communism as in communism there is
      significant opposition against religious power and ruling system.

      In addition, you said all Islamic groups like Hezbollah and
      Al Qaede are all the same as they are all supported by Muslim Brotherhood. Well,
      if you are not familiar with the politics of the region, its OK, but at least
      you can do some research before stating such claims. At least you can give some
      thoughts about them. Didn’t you really think with yourself that If they are the
      same and both supported by the same party why they are fighting against each
      other in Syria?

      The time for discrimination based on religion, race or color
      is long gone, I wish everyone could realize that!

    • Ali

      To claim a status, you have to prove it. Just by repeating the status you cant prove it! I don’t know which part of the definition of liberal democracy is hard for you to understand!

      A Liberal Democratic country is a country in which all
      citizens have equal rights and equal opportunities. Their human rights are respected and they are not subject to systematic discrimination.

      I already gave enough reasoning and presented enough proofs to show how far Israel and a liberal democracy are. The problem sometimes is
      not the truth, is the people who cant digest them!

      You mentioned the name of Israel is “ State of Israel ”.
      Does that cover up for the fact all Israeli politicians call it the Jewish State as well? In the recent negotiations with PLO one of the main requests of Israeli side was that PLO recognize Israel as a Jewish state which is the best
      example and sign of systematic discrimination against all other citizens.

      You mentioned Iran and its name to be “ Islamic Republic of Iran “ and called it non democratic for that reason and the discrimination against non Muslims there. Well, great that you mentioned that, because you just proved my point yourself that calling a country by a specific religion, color or ethnic group feature is an obvious sign of discrimination against others. Obviously
      Islamic Republic of Iran is not a democratic regime for the same reason, but the problem is that you consider that reason a sign of not being a democracy in
      the case of Iran but in the case of Israel you suddenly change all standards.

      Also you claimed there has never been a Palestinian nation!
      Well, at this point its obvious that your goal is not to have an educated discussion.
      Maybe more of trying to make other laugh! Not a bad idea if you explain who these millions of people living in the occupied area are? As far as we know, after creation of Israel, Palestinian systematically been pushed out of the lands and forced to refugee camps and no one has been allowed back, so who are
      these millions there? Have they appeared out of nowhere? The demographic data of people before creation of Israel in that area is well documented and
      available and shows Muslim Arabs are the significant majority of the region.
      Are you really trying to say the immigration of Zionists to that region didn’t happen??

      Plus you keep repeating the Arabs don’t have much rights in other Arab countries as well. Are you trying to blame your support and American support for the dictators in Arab countries on the people who are subjected to those dictators? If it wasn’t Israel and American support for such dictators they would be gone long time ago. So don’t try to project crimes of others on
      those people!

      You also mentioned the support of some for Assad in Syria to make a communist/Islamist regime there. Not a bad idea if you at least search the definition of terms before stating claims. Communism is in total contradiction in major aspects with Islamic states . I should note Islamic states meaning can vary significantly based on interpretations however in non of them is it can be unified with communism as in communism there is significant opposition against religious power and ruling system.

      In addition, you said all Islamic groups like Hezbollah and Al Qaede are all the same as they are all supported by Muslim Brotherhood. Well, if you are not familiar with the politics of the region, its OK, but at least you can do some research before stating such claims. At least you can give some thoughts about them. Didn’t you really think with yourself that If they are the same and both supported by the same political party why they are fighting against each other in Syria?

      The time for discrimination based on religion, race or color is long gone, I wish everyone could realize that!

      • American Patriot

        You are obviously a Communist/Islamist troll paid by neo-Communist Russia and Islamist Iran to post their propaganda online. I noticed that you didn’t call the Assad regime in Syria a dictatorship. I also believe that you viewed the brutal dictator of Egypt, Nasser, as a “liberal democrat” because he was a Communist and a puppet of the Soviet Union. That’s your problem. You view all pro-Western leaders (whether democrats or autocrats) as American/Israeli “puppet dictators”, while viewing all of the Communist/Baathist/Islamist and anti-Western dictators who are puppets of neo-Communist Russia, Communist China and Islamist Iran as “democratic presidents”. So, in your world, Assad is a benevolent “president” loved by his people. You have a political agenda, you loon. And that agenda is to have the entire world dominated by Communists, Baathists, Islamists and the destruction of the United States and other democratic countries. As for the so-called “Palestinians”, they are not a people. They are simply Jordanians living outside of Jordan, which was part of the Palestine Mandate. Hence, Jordan is a Palestinian state. You also fail to mention that nearly half a million Jews were expelled from other countries in the Middle East during the late 1940s. Why aren’t there any Jewish refugees? Because Israel resettled them. The other countries in the region have never resettled any Arab refugees who left their homes during the 1948 war, which was started by the Arab states in their goal to destroy Israel. Also, Israel didn’t force any Arab to leave the Holy Land. As a matter of fact, the Arabs who stayed in Israel became Israeli citizens. You are a Communist/Islamist/Baathist propagandist. You are a Stalinst/Maoist who supports Communist/Islamist/Baathist totalitarianism. Learn from facts instead of repeating Communist/Islamist/Baathist propaganda.

        • Ali

          Well, I guess anyone who is familiar with the general debates would understand that the main proof for what I said and your lack of reasoning for your claims comes out of your own comments, as they are mainly curses or personal attacks against me rather than presenting reasons.
          Seems rather than bringing some reasoning against my claims and answering my claims, you prefer to assign me some words or beliefs and then criticizing them, as you find bringing reasons conflicting for yourself!
          In my past comments I said the regime inside Iran is obviously not a democratic regime, as well as those other Arab kingdoms. I guess it obviously shows what my standing towards Syrian regime is.
          Syrian regime is not democratic, however has been respective of other religions and minorities. For that reason, almost all minorities in Syria, specially Christians are fighting in support of the current regime. Its why at this point which we are left with bad and worse I prefer the current regime.
          I guess the better question would be why you are siding with Al Qaede?
          Although I prefer not to answer your personal attacks, I point at one that I did before as well, only as it shows how wrong your claims are. You called me a communist Islamist! As I told you before the idea of communism and Islamic state are at obvious contradictions! Not a bad idea if you search the terms before using them!
          Regarding your claim that Israel didnt force anyone out of their land, well I dont know what to call all those available videos of Israelis Bulldozing Palestinian homes! We are not talking about anything that far from history, or even something finished!
          Not a bad idea if you try to answer the contradictions I have already pointed at!

  • Steven Raff

    Your example is flawed, the law applies differently to citizens vs non-citezens, be they Palestinian, Chinese, etc. Sorry, but your point is driven by anti-Israeli sentiment and not honest evaluation of circumstance.

    • Ali

      Citizens vs. Non-Citizens? And what makes a citizen?
      If the measure is being born in a geographical area, based on the current system a European Zionist who has come to occupied land last week can be considered a citizen while a Palestinian whose fathers have been born in the land is not.
      If the measure is where they currently live, all settlers inside West Bank are considered citizens while people surrounding them not, if and only if they are Muslim Arabs.
      It obviously shows the term “citizen” is used for Zionists while non-citizen is used for Muslim Arabs.
      While you accused me of not being honest, I guess if you were honest you would have pointed at whose these terms are really used and made for.
      Using the term Non- citizen is the exact point that shows how fundamental and systematic apartheid in Israel is.
      It shows that by calling proffered people citizen and the second level people non-citizens, the system subject them to an entirely different rights and laws.
      Gee in another comment had asked which laws are racial? In this case situation is way more extreme as the entire second level people are subject to en entirely different law.
      In what other country you have seen that even real non citizens and not what the term is used in Israel or tourists to be subjected to using different roads? Or to be subjected to use different color car plates ?
      You also said I attempted “to stray from the topic of prejudice existing in Gaza”. I dont know if you read my comments really or not? If you had done so you would have seen that I said the slightest amount of racial discrimination that exist should addressed be corrected. However I made three some points.
      First, the fact that even the article says the daughter of the interviewee is shocked that his father has faced such discrimination, which shows almost such behaviors have vanished there, otherwise she would know about it and not shocked.
      Second, whatever is left if any, is an individual behavioral issue that make a cultural issue rather than being a systematic racial issue like in Israel.
      Third, and most important was the statement I started my first ever comment with, which was the fact that the whole agenda of the article is to project what Israelis are accused for on Palestinians. And I gave the example why I said so. Actually it was the reason I joined this conversation at all. If the article had only pointed at some discrimination in Gaza with the honest purpose of showing what is wrong and what should be corrected, most likely I wouldnt have even joined the conversation as no matter where or how big the discrimination is, it should be addressed.
      But the agenda of the article was a totally different thing

      • Steven Raff

        So basically, you take the revisionist approach to history and when you don’t like the facts, you simply make stuff up and write ridiculously long paragraphs with the hope of confusing and deflecting as a means of avoiding retreat. Your statement about unequal treatment under Israeli law was based upon a half truth, or a lie… take your pick. You would be better off admitting your incorrect statement and then moving forward, but you are obviously a backwards thinker so this will not happen. Beyond that, better than half of the Israeli population are sephardic or Mizrahi so your rhetoric about Israelis being European is just another one of your lies… er… half truths… again, take your pick. I suggest you get an education that extends beyond your bigotry and then come back.

        • Ali

          Well, I guess the fact that more than half of your comment is either accusing me of sth or insulting me
          shows how empty handed you are in supporting your claims.
          And yes, my comments may get long as I have enough reasoning and logic to present for my claims. The interesting point is that they get long without insulting or personal attacks which obviously is another sign that my claims are self exploratory.
          Second, in my example of the European who immigrates to the region clearly stated a single European
          as I was pointing at how discriminatory the laws that applies to people is. I never said all Jews in that area are from Europe, and I am sure you clearly know that, but the fact that you had no reasoning or counter claim made you change what I said to what I didnt so you can respond to what you can!
          Regarding your claim that before 1948 Palestinians were Jews, well, sometimes people have wishes but
          not always they are true. I know that even yourself know thats not true, so you may say that for someone who may end up here and read it, but do you really think in information age you can state something that contradictory to well documented history and they believe you?

          As a logical equation, if there was no one but Jews in that land before 1948 and the fact that Israelis always have pushed Arabs out rather than in, so that mean there shouldnt be any Arabs there now either! Your claim is wrong at the basic level of it!
          Do you really think saying that because Arabs dont have P in their alphabets there was no Palestine is a logical reasoning? Seriously?
          Plus, I guess I would know Arabic well enough to know about its alphabets! Just for your information I would say Arabs mainly replace P with B in their written language as P and B are the same with different amount of dots!
          Also, If Arabs use the world Palestine now obviously they could use it before as well! I think you got to bring some serious reasoning rather than this!
          Plus, the presence of Arabs in that land before 1948 has been well documented by British! Not Arabs!
          Not only the Jews were not the only ones there, but even they were not the majority. If they were the only ones there, what was all thousands of boats and ships bringing Zionists from all over the world to Palestine? You can still find videos of them on internet!
          Some of those immigrants came to Palestine with Palestinian passports! just read the book ” The son of the general” written by a Jewish Israeli who has written the story of his family.
          I also should point at a fact that I have tried to use Zionist term rather Jew is most of my comments. Thats for a reason that I dont think if this is a Jew versus Muslim or Arab issue. The fact is the most traditional Jews are against Zionism as everyone knows. There are also a lot of honest Jews who respect human rights and its why they oppose the situation made by Israel.
          Only those who try to try to escape from bringing reasons try to project the conflict as a Jews vs. Muslims issue

          • Steven Raff

            Wrong again, Im merely pointing out your lack of education and objectivity. thats not insult, thats reality. You didnt read what I wrote and I didn’t make any false claims about you. You focussed on European immigration so i merely corrected you. You bring up apartheid but we both know that only Muslim nations practice it… and that you have no problem with Muslim apartheid shows your blindness, your hypocrisy, and your bigotry. I suggest you try making your point in an academic arena if You think you are somehow above me in your knowledge. Beyond that, you are are a liar once again… most traditional Jews have come to recognize a need for Israel. Sorry, but your desire to see Israel vanish is not going to come to fruition. I suggest you become a forward thinker on this topic. Your lies will not lead to any productivity for either side.

          • Ali

            You have repeatedly talked about my lack of education regarding this case while you never presented a counter claim about the statements I made. The sign of lack of education regarding a case is to make false statements, which then should make it easy for you to bring counter claims. However you keep repeating that I have lack of education while not bringing any reasons.

            You claim that I am not educated regarding this issue, while you are the one that distant from this topic that you even dont know what the name of the country used by the Palestinians and Arabs!

            Also regarding personal attacks towards me, the interesting point is that even in this comment that you start by saying that you didnt insult me, the second half of your comment is only personal attacks! Well, I dont care about that, I only mentioned it as it was clearly showing you dont have enough reasons to support your claims and its why you prefer to fill your comment with such things rather than presenting reasons!

            Well, if you had read me comments you could have seen that I clearly said most of current Arab regimes are dictator regimes. Unfortunately the like past comments, instead of criticizing what I said, you keep assigning me what you wish I believed and then spending criticizing that!!!
            Well, not only I have no respects for such regimes, I said in my comments the direction of the blame is actually towards west in that case. If they are such regimes, which they are, why do you keep supporting them?
            If it wasnt the support of west and mainly US for such regimes they were gone long time ago. You keep supporting them, politically, financially and militarily and then try to project the blame on the people of those countries who are subjected to those regimes.
            In addition I should mention a point I left un answered through different comments here, and it was about Israel to be an apartheid regime. It was said that only Muslims use that term, however I dont think President Carter is much of a Muslim!
            Also you claimed I desire for Israel to vanish. As I said due to the fact you dont have enough counter claims against what I really say, you assign me a claim and then talk about that.
            By saying I desire for Israel to vanish, you are saying I desire that Israel with whatever related to it should be vanished. Thats totally wrong as people and so many other thing also would be included in that meaning.
            The only thing I desire to vanish about Israel is the parts of political system and structure and law that result in discrimination and apartheid.
            I also believe the best measure to see who is truthful towards what he says, is to ask what you think would be the solution. My experience in such debates says that when the question of the solution is asked, the true nature of what people think reveals!

          • Steven Raff

            Are you retarded? Seriously.. are you? Im not asking to be mean, I really just want to know so that Ill understand the reason for your demented logic. I gave you facts. I corrected you about everything you have said. You made an incorrect suggestion about Jews Israeli being European, I pointed out your lie and your hypocrisy by suggesting apartheid in Israel while ignoring apartheid across the Muslim world, and I revealed your lack of education (which you did not refute by the way) through your reliance upon revisionist type methods to discuss history. I suggest you get an education that extends beyond the internet and your bigotry and admit your desire to see Israel dissolved… and if you truly think Israel is Apartheid, I DARE YOU to tell me one Arab country that is less apartheid than Israel.. I DARE YOU! You won’t, because you can’t.

          • Ali

            Giving me facts? Well, I guess anyone who reads your comments would see that more than 70 percent of your comments are personal attacks. In the rest you claimed the followings:

            First you started by assigning me a statement I didnt make and tried to criticize that rather than what I said. While my comment is still available for everyone to see, you claimed I have said that all Jews have come from Europe and then answered I am wrong as what you claimed that I have said is only half true, which means like half of the Zionists only came from Europe!

            Also you claimed before 1948 there was only Jews in Palestine which I answered that has even basic logical flaw as if before 1948 there was only Jews in the land and as we know Israel hasnt allowed Arabs back, there shouldnt be any Muslim Arabs in Israel now either! Which you simply refused to answer.

            Also your own comment contradicts your previous comments! In you last comment you claimed ” Gaza and the West Bank were occupied in 48, not 67 so why wait until 67 to call themselves Palestinian? ” which clearly indicates there were Muslim Arabs before 48 there which also results in contradiction with your own starting claim that the difference between laws is due to citizenship vs. non-citizenship, as if we rely on your own last comment we realize Muslim Arabs have been there before 1948!

            The other claim you said was that there is no Palestine before as Arabs cant pronounce P, which only showed you distant you are from the topic and made a hint of laugh to the discussion!
            If these are the sort of facts you are talking about, well, I guess you got to ask someone what the “fact” means!
            You also keep saying there is a wide spread apartheid in Arab world, and asked me if I can name one country which has a better situation than Israel. First of all, if there was any apartheid in Arab countries, it didnt mean Israel is allowed to be apartheid as well, but it meant they also have to eliminate it. But regarding apartheid in Arab world it seems the same as the name of the Palestine used by Palestinians you didnt know, you dont know the meaning of apartheid as well! Seems you have confused dictatorship, thanks to western support, that has caused low human rights level with apartheid! Seems after you checked what the names of what you refer to are, you have to check on the meanings of terms as well!
            Although I was almost knew about what the result would be, I searched about existence of apartheid in Arab countries at the current moment. The interesting point is the only media that claim such things, are all affiliated to Israel and they all refer to apartheid against Palestinians! And they complain why Arab countries treat Palestinians whose home lands have been occupied by Zionists as refugees, and why they dont grant them citizenship.
            Well, not a surprise, why wouldnt they say that!

          • American Patriot

            If it wasn’t for neo-Communist Russian, Chinese Communist and Islamist Iranian support for the Baathist dictatorship of Bashar Assad in Syria, that country would be democratic. But you support Assad because he is a Communist/Islamist puppet and because he is anti-Western, just like you support the genocidal Islamist apartheid dictatorship in Sudan.

          • Ali

            I guess at this point its obvious your intention is not an educated debate as for the third or fourth time you are assigning me beliefs I never talked about, as you do about Sudan, so you escape answering what I mentioned and questioned.
            Regarding Syria I expressed my opinion clearly that if I have to chose to support a side at the current situation I chose bad instead worse. However you should explain how Syria would be a democratic country under Al Qaede ruling ?

          • American Patriot

            I never said that Syria would be a democratic country under Al Qaeda, you dunce. You are putting words in my mouth. I stated that the Assad regime would have collapsed a long time ago had it not been for neo-Communist Russia, Communist China and Islamist Iran supporting the Assad dictatorship in Syria. In fact, during the 1990s, Russia under Yeltsin was pro-Western and a US ally. But when Putin became president in 2000, Russia went back to its Cold War foreign policy. By the way, 2000 was also the year that Bashar Assad came to power in Syria, taking over for his father. You always condemn every pro-Western country while embracing every anti-Western country, just like you embrace the Fourth Reich of the Middle East, Islamist Iran. There is not much difference in attitudes between the Third Reich and the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran and its proxies like Hamas and Hezbollah. You simply support anything that is against the West.

          • American Patriot

            You forgot to mention the fact that in Arabic, “Palestine” is “Falastin”, a word which has no meaning in Arabic. “Falastin” has an “f” sound, not a “b” sound. Also, the story about the son of an Israeli general is a total lie. You should learn the story of Walid Shoebat, a former PLO militant turned Israel supporter. Islamism is the real problem in the Middle East, not Zionism.

          • Ali

            Although I think the discussion about alphabets in Arabic is really not the serious way for reasoning but as you mentioned I explain more.
            I never said Palestine has B sound, I said “Arabs mainly replace P with B in their written language as P and B are the same with different amount of dots”
            Thats for the words originated in foreign languages like Pizza. However they wouldnt do that for the word “Palestine” because Palestine is the name used by English speakers. But as the name of the land has original references in Arabic already they wouldnt use B for it.
            The same is true for so many countries. Example, Chinese dont call China, China!
            About the name in Arabic, its mainly pronounced Felestin, however Falastin is not wrong either.
            Although I never searched about its meaning, having meaning or not doesnt prove anything. Actually in literature it is totally an accepted rule that names only be used to refer to something or somebody. You can find similar examples in all languages.
            Regarding the book I mentioned, just by titling something as a ” lie” it doesnt turn to a lie. You got to say why and bring reasons. Miko Peled is a well known person in media and for almost all of what he claims he provide references. Just because you dont like what he says doesnt turn what he says to lies!
            Regarding Walid Shoebat, I dont know him. Even if I take your words as granted hat someone from PLO has changed sides to be a pro Zionism doesnt change anything. You may ask why the book “The son of the general” is then related, well because what he talks is about historical events. I didnt mention him because he is Jewish, but because of the documents he refer to.
            Lets say an American official comes and claims Islamic Republic of Iran is a democratic regime, does it make it a democratic? No, as the reality and all evidences say otherwise.

  • lilkane momo

    only a stupid would believe your biased anti islam ani arab info