Anti-Semitic Violence, Neo-Nazis and the Anti-Israel Left

25235053_BG5The Nation Institute’s headquarters in a classic twelve story building just off Manhattan’s pricey Union Square is a long way from Frazier Glenn Miller’s digs in Marionville, Missouri.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which spent a great deal of time monitoring Miller, would never have thought to watch an institute whose board of trustees include a former New York Times editor, a music industry executive and a president of the Center for Constitutional Rights.

They would be even less likely to look at Perseus LLC, a private equity fund out in Bethesda, Maryland, or the seemingly innocuous Puffin Foundation operating out of a wealthy New Jersey suburb.

But when Frazier Glenn Miller pulled the trigger at a Jewish Community Center and a Jewish retirement community, his inspiration didn’t only come from Mein Kampf. Miller’s story is revealing of how the old anti-Semitism of the Neo-Nazis interacts with the new anti-Semitism of the Anti-Israel left and how wealthy progressives finance a culture of hate that can explode in violence a thousand miles away.

In 2012, Miller enthusiastically posted a link to an interview with Max Blumenthal, a Puffin Foundation fellow for the Nation Institute.  In the interview, Blumenthal told RT, a Russian propaganda channel notorious for promoting extremists, bigots and conspiracists, that Israel was plotting to go after Ron Paul and Obama.

Citing his work for Al-Akhbar, a paper linked to the Hezbollah terrorist organization, Blumenthal claimed that “the media in the United States is terrified of the Israel lobby” and that the Democratic Party’s base was turning on Israel which was “of great concern to the Jewish establishment.”

It was a mild interview by Blumenthal standards, but still of interest to Miller.

“They themselves, are exposing the jewish menace, big time,” Miller wrote at the Vanguard News Network. VNN is one of the internet’s more popular Neo-Nazi forums. Its owner has said, “The thing to be done about [the Jews] is to kill them, exterminate them.”

A Neo-Nazi site might seem like a surprising place for a Nation Institute fellow, but there was plenty of overlap between VNN and the Anti-Israel left when it came to the Jewish State. It would be easy to dismiss the collision between the radical son of Bill Clinton’s senior advisor and a violent extremist, but the popularity of Blumenthal’s work at VNN was not accidental.

Blumenthal is mentioned over 300 times at VNN; mostly for his attacks on Jews and Israel. VNN members eagerly ate up Blumenthal’s conspiracy theories about Israel and every bit of negative reporting about Jews. One Blumenthal video even suggested that Rabbis were plotting to kill non-Jewish children.

It was as good as a blood libel.

As one VNN member wrote, “Max Blumenthal seems to do a pretty fair job representing his people as they actually are.”

When Miller ranted about “Bush and his Zionist bosses” or “The Zionist Jews and their gentile prostitute government managers”; his hate meshed with the hateful material that Blumenthal was putting out.

The similarities between Max Blumenthal and his Neo-Nazi audience went genocidally deeper.

At the University of Pennsylvania, Blumenthal was asked whether “Israel should be ended entirely.”

Blumenthal replied that the Jewish population of Israel had a choice between becoming “part of the Arab world” and offered an alternative to ethnic cleansing in abstruse language that would have done the Third Reich’s Wannsee  Conference proud, stating that, “The maintenance and engineering of a non-indigenous demographic majority is non-negotiable.”

That choice between voluntary and involuntary ethnic cleansing would have to be imposed on Jews in Israel, according to Max, “through external pressure such as the BDS movement.”

Max Blumenthal did not believe that Muslims in Europe have to become part of the West or face ethnic cleansing. That is where he and The Nation Institute part ways from Frazier Glenn Miller and VNN. Their racism is more selective, but when it came to Jews, they were all on the same page.

The Nation Institute’s book arm, in partnership with the Perseus Book Group, published Goliath; Blumenthal’s furious attack on the Jewish State. The book, with chapters such as “How To Kill Goyim And Influence People” and “The Concentration Camp” was described by The Nation’s own reviewer as “The ‘I Hate Israel’ Handbook” and a potential selection of the “Hamas Book-of-the-Month Club.”

Despite that Perseus and The Nation Institute went on promoting and selling Goliath. They were not concerned by the fact that even critics of Israel found Blumenthal’s hatred over the top. And even now, after Miller’s killings in Kansas City, they have shown no willingness to stop profiting from the hate.

Goliath was repeatedly mentioned at VNN with links to positive reviews of the tract. After Miller’s shooting spree, VNN commenters linked to a Mondoweiss post which defended Blumenthal. “They are trying to link Blumenthal to the shooting/shooter like some people are trying to link Mr. Linder (VNN’s owner). So it isn’t happening just with WNs (white nationalists.)”

Blumenthal had also posted at Mondoweiss which is closest to the intersection between Neo-Nazis and the Anti-Israel left.

One of its writers had said, “I do not consider myself an anti-Semite, but I can understand why some are.” Another had written that, “Israel is no normal state, but one governed by the forging of Zionist system-logic into a Satanic ideology.”

Alan Sabrosky, wrote at Mondoweiss that “an awful lot of American Jews” are “agents of a foreign government” and called for “excising” the cancer. Elsewhere he wrote that, “I don’t care if we’re called anti-Semites or not,” claimed that most American Jews are “traitors” and accused Israel of being behind the September 11 attacks.

Mondoweiss’ Jeffrey Blankfort went so far in his hatred for Israel as to assert that, “When it comes to talking about Israel-Palestine — David Duke and Pat Buchanan are more informative than Noam Chomsky or people on the left.”

He also endorsed Holocaust denial.

Blankfort’s statements show how thin the line between the Neo-Nazi and the Anti-Israel activist has become.

As Stalin allied with Hitler to invade Poland, the Anti-Israel left has aligned with Nazis to fight Israel.

It may be a long way from Manhattan to Marionville, but The Nation Institute’s promotion of hate has made the ideological distance considerably shorter. After Miller’s shootings, it’s time for The Nation Institute, the Puffin Foundation and Perseus LLC to conduct a moral reckoning and consider the consequences of the hateful rhetoric coming out of their institutions, grantees and publishing houses.

And it’s time for the rest of the Anti-Israel left to do the same thing.

Max Blumenthal and the Nation Institute didn’t turn Frazier Glenn Miller into a bigot, but they provided fresh materials to feed his bigotry. And it’s hard to say how many VNN members who might have been wavering in their bigoted beliefs had their hatred reinforced by supporting materials from the left.

When the culture of hate toward Israel on the left has become almost indistinguishable from Neo-Nazis, and when violent bigots feast on hateful propaganda put out by progressive non-profits, the left must either conduct a moral reckoning and clean its house, or accept that when it comes to Jews, it is on the same page as a murderer who signed the post in which he linked to Max Blumenthal, “Sieg Heil.”

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  • truebearing

    It may seem at first to be an odd coupling, but the Anti-Israel Left and the Neo-Nazis are both driven by such insensate hate that there is no real difference between them. Their ideological differences are trivial and irrelevant compared to their maniacal hatred.There never was much difference between the Nazis and the Communists, anyway. Fueled by envy and hate, both are peopled by soulless psychopaths, melting down with malevolence, bent on nihilism, but obsessed with destroying Jews for a host of insane reasons. Like the Islamists, they are minions of great evil.

    The world is in a very dangerous state. Today we heard of jews in Ukraine being told to register, or else. We have the Neo-Nazis collaborating with the rabid Left and Islamists. Great evil is rising, the likes of which hasn’t been seen since WWII.

    It is apparently no coincidence that when evil grows in this world, Jews are its first and preferred target. Evil seems to personify, taking the very existence of the Jewish people as a personal insult, frothing in narcissistic rage that despite all of its relentless and reprehensible efforts, the Jewish people survive. And then there are those Christians…so many people to hate and destroy.

    I’m afraid we’re all in for a rough ride, but evil will ultimately fail and the Lord will prevail.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      National SOCIALISTS and Soviet SOCIALISTS signed a non-aggression pact in 1939.

      Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact – AKA hitler-Stalin Pact
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

      They both invaded and divided up Poland.

      Clearly SOCIALISM is an Evil that continues to plague the world.

      • Seek

        You need a bit of a history lesson. That pact was one of strategy, not principle. The Nazis broke it in June 1941 because it no longer served their interests. As for Left-socialists and Nazis, they ALWAYS have despised each other. I have never known anyone on the Left to say so much a kind word about fascists and Nazis — or vice versa.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          ALWAYS? Not when it came to invading other countries. Both Socialists, the national and the soviet, trampled on the rights of others. Killing whomever they deemed undesirable.

          No honest SOCIALIST can claim that Stalin was “anti-fascist” from day one.

          Today’s Left is in solidarity with fascists, nazis, sand nazis, when it comes to Jews and Israel.

          • justquitnow

            Stop trampling all over history so you can insert your concepts of “left” and “right” into it. It’s just a naked attempt to get all the things you don’t like in the same pile. Other than giving you a single target to spit down on, it does absolutely no good. FREEDUMB!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Socialism brings “left” and “right” together – as it did in the Socialist SHlTler / Socialist Stalin pact of 1939.

            Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact – AKA hitler-Stalin Pact
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

          • BagLady

            Strange how you suggest that bringing ‘left’ and ‘right’ together is a bad idea. Since all things are circular, surely this is the natural order of things.

          • Debbie G

            “All things are circular…” Maybe in your world.

          • BagLady

            You need to stand a bit further back to ‘see’ properly.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          BTW Seek, Socialist SHlTler ranted about Bolsheviks – NOT SOCIALISTS.

          The NSDAP – national SOCIALIST Deutch/German Arbeiter/WORKERS PARTY exists today in the UK as the SWP SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          “That pact was one of strategy, not principle.”

          Is that why today the Left sides with Islamofascists too?

          • David Ashton

            The Left and Islamic extremists share a common target: the European civilization with its Christian history and national identities. Some Jews who supported Muslim immigration into the west now realize their “mistake”. Maybe some angel in heaven is rejoicing about that belated discovery.

        • Judahlevi

          If you had read “Mein Kampf” (and I have) you would know that Hitler was a true socialist, a creature of the left. He hated the bourgeoisie and considered his movement a revolution for the German people. With his emphasis on statism and the subordination of individual rights to the greater “Fatherland”, the picture comes into focus.

          Even his intolerance of free speech, religious rights, and collective group identification are all signs of a leftist.

          Italy’s fascists also came from the left with similar views of the workers party. Fascism, Nazism, communism, and Islamism all stem from the same political ideology or worldview. There is no free speech, freedom of religion, or freedom of thought. Only conservatives cherish and protect these natural rights, not the left.

          • Lanna

            Exactly…Freedom does not exist under dictators. Hitler’s principle is exactly what lying, ruthless leaders everywhere bank on to get their way with the public. They understand how to manipulate, deceive, and Intimidate.

          • BagLady

            They don’t get there without the people’s vote. That’s the sad part of political indoctrination. No wonder so much of your taxes is spent on brainwashers. They must be laughing at the docility of the sheep as they are led to their own demise.

          • just sayin

            Do conservatives place any emphasis on collective group identification? Is the Republican Party a collective group with an identification as such?

            You should rethink this identification of individuals vs identification of collective groups perspective. It is liberalism 101.

            The immigration policy of Britain was based on viewing immigrants as individuals. This was and still is a disaster because the Islamic immigrants arrived and established themselves collectively as groups and identify themselves as such. Many of them now insist on Sharia law being implemented and clash with the indigenous Brits in numerous ways.

            Again, you have bought the lie of the Left leaving yourself wide open to abuse. At some point a nation MUST identify itself as a collective group and defend itself as such or it will cease to exist!

            Paul Weston teaches us what can happen when you view people as individuals rather than as collective groups…

            http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1ocqyqjaVSg

          • Robert

            Judahlevi’s perspective on individual/collective group identification is workable but only for homogeneous societies. This is where he misses it. For decades the Left has urged us to shed every trace of our collective identity. Those who actually benefit from this are the very ones who identify themselves and everyone else as collective groups.

            I understand his perspective but he misapplies it. He either denies the existence of or doesn’t want to live in an us-versus-them world.

          • Marsha

            It is an inevitable fact that multicultural societies end up with collectively identifiable groups competing with each other over resources and political power.

          • Judahlevi

            It works best in a non-homogenous society – which is all societies. There is no such thing as a homogenous society. All societies are diverse.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Not true – especially in Asia.

          • Judahlevi

            Even in Asia…

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            East Asia, China, Japan, Korea are hardly diverse.

          • Judahlevi

            Are they populated by human beings?

          • Drakken

            Complete utter tosh and inane drivel. Where ever so called multicultural nonsense is tried, you get a Balkans.

          • Judahlevi

            Individualism is the cure for multiculturalism, not the cause.

            If you put people in groups and assign values to them, you are a multiculturalist.

          • Drakken

            When it comes right down to it, we are all tribal by nature and live with our own, it is human nature. No amount of leftist diversity nonsense shoved down peoples throats is going to change that.
            This country was founded on rugged individualism and it worked, until that traitor Kennedy and company changed the demographics of this nation, now instead of melting pot, we have now become boiling pot in a pressure cooker, if you want to know how this turns out? Look at the Balkans.

          • BagLady

            Not when it takes place over time. It’s the 21st century. People are on the move. Marriages are taking place between peoples who had previously never met. More and more children are being born of mixed genes. Whether you like it or not, the dye has been cast. The problem is that those who’s visions we were forced to follow, did not leave us with the wear-with-all to cope financially with the onslaught of human detritus falling from their sad attempts at regressive empire building in the East.

          • Drakken

            In the 21st century as history has proved time and time again, when you force people to live together that have no shared values, conflict always results. You will without any doubt see it again shortly.

          • Habbgun

            Uh—Uh…..it has always been clear by the Jewish people. All nations (Jew and non-Jew) and not nations by race but by values and beliefs. A nation makes collective choices and can be judged and evaluated by them. In order to act with impunity nations cast off values and claim race as their overriding makeup. Sorry but that is decline and not progress. I choose progress.

          • BagLady

            You speak of “our” which suggests that you feel part of a collective but do not name your club of like minded/skinned/religious members. It does sound rather exclusive.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            WOW!

            Paul Weston is fantastic!

          • Judahlevi

            Conservatives should not place emphasis on collective group identification as to the assignment of values. This is the liberal position, not the conservative one.

            Paul Weston makes the mistake of thinking that skin color defines an individual. It does not. This does not change the fact that Islamism is bad – it is and should be fought – but from a civil rights perspective, not a skin color one.

            Democracies live and die on the majority vote. It is the system we set up. If demographics change the majority to those you disagree with (like Democrats) what is the solution?

          • BagLady

            I see you blame the British Left for the wide open door for immigrants. You are not wrong but, why didn’t the Conservatives make any attempt to shut it? Instead they have lied and fiddled the figures. The truth is, there is only one ‘side’ in politics and it ain’t yours. Cheap labour is the name of the game.

            How is it in the US?

          • Facts are Facts

            Britain is an example of “allowing millions of Muslims in”
            If I wanted live in Britain, or USA, as a white man, no matter what my religion is, I would find it very difficult to ge a residence, work permit to live in Britain, or a green card to live in USA.
            But they have allowed millions of Muslims in. Surely, they must have known what the agends of Islam is. “we will rule the world and convert the world to Islam with a calophate, and sharia law”
            Unfortunately, most European countries have also allowed millions of Muslims in.
            What is the result of Islamic immigration, say, in Britain?
            They have taken oven many areas and any non Mulsim entering their “Islamic mini state” is in trouble.
            Even the Brityish police are afraid to enter those “mini Islamic states’
            How many of them actually work?
            They live on the dole. Workers tax money.
            Even those who do work have taken jobs from the British people who do work
            What about the crime rate in Britain?.
            What was a Christian country, is becoming an islamic sharia law country.
            How long will it ba before there is a Muslim PM?
            Where is the church?
            What has happened to the British? . Many have forgotten their religion and stay away from church.
            The answer is, before it is too late, Send them back to their deserts.
            “convert Britain and USA and other EU countries, back to the original religions.

          • stewball

            America already has a Muslim president.

          • Drakken

            It is far too late to send the 3rd world back to where they came from, there are too many and we have reached the point of no return where that is concerned, this ends only one way now, civil strife and tribal warfare not seen in a century.

          • BagLady

            Then that must have been the ‘plan’. It didn’t get to the point of no return by itself. Inner turmoil always produces stricter rules, loss of freedoms, more police with more arms. Who wins?

          • Drakken

            And you will have bloodshed on a massive scale because of it. A Balkans on steroids is coming.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            All too true

          • BagLady

            you would know that Hitler was a true socialist, a creature of the left”

            I thought ‘true socialists’ were atheists, though I could be wrong. This could hardly be applied to the ‘Christian’ Hitler:

            “Providence withdrew its protection and our people
            fell… And in this hour we sink to our knees and beseech our almighty God that He may bless us, that He may give us the strength to carry on the struggle for the freedom, the future, the honor, and the peace of our people. So help us God.” [Hitler]

          • Debbie G

            I find it very difficult to believe that Hitler was a “Christian.” I don’t care what he said in a speech. (He was also heavily into occultism.)

          • BagLady

            I find it very difficult to believe that Hitler was a “Christian.”

            I have the same problem with many self-proclaimed ‘Christians’.

          • Debbie G

            So what is your point? I thought we were discussing Hitler.

          • David Ashton

            Rainer Bucher & Rebecca Pohl’s “Hitler’s Theology” (2011) is perhaps the first reasonably good book, among several, to read on this subject. Raised as a Catholic, Hitler took an early and to some degree fashionable interest in some aspects of occultism, but spoke and acted against its practices when in power. National Socialism, like Communism, was a sort of secular substitute for religion. Hitler retained an admiration for Jesus as he interpreted him, but was a racial deist, a sort of social-Darwinist with an added faith-like “total” antisemitism. He became increasingly hostile to the churches and lost his belief in immortality some time before he committed suicide.

          • Debbie G

            That sounds reasonable to me. Thanks.

          • David Ashton

            I forgot to include an odd little detail: Hitler said that when he was a boy he wanted to be a priest addressing his congregation. The Child is the Father to the Man.

          • Debbie G

            Ha! A fire and brimstone sermon undoubtedly.

        • Habbgun

          And you need a history lesson as well. Seek and you shall find. Read Road to Serfdom and you will see that Nazism is definitely a branch of socialism. The pact was of geopolitical convenience but only in terms of triangulation. It was socialist countries agreeing to terms in the face of the capitalist countries they despised.
          To argue that because Marxists and national socialists fight and therefore one is and one isn’t just isn’t accurate.
          Protestants and Catholics have fought. Jews had internecine struggles in the biblical period, etc. Civil wars happen all the time. One of the main points of the Austrian school of economics is that there is no socialism. Only socialisms. Since we are talking about a static pie, one takes and one loses. Those under the system adapt by justifying who takes and who gives up. Violence ensues.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM
          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Rather Breaking Bad.

        • BagLady

          Is there something nice to say about extreme views? They both represent stupidity.

          • Drakken

            People like you who roll over on your back pleading with savages to spare you really are the most despicable. Weak, decadent, self loathing, self hating socialist like yourself are the worst and frankly not worth saving.

      • PAthena

        The difference between National Socialism (or Fascism) is the Communism claims to be international while National Socialism was nationalist. Benito Mussolini was a leader of the Italian Socialist Party, which wanted Italy to stay out of World War I, because socialist dogma was the wars were between capitalist countries. Mussolini was the editor of the Italian Socialist newspaper Avanti. In 1917 he joined the Italian army and changed his views about socialism. Instead of supporting socialism as international, he supported nationalist socialism and founded the Fascist party, the fasces being the ancient symbols of authority of ancient Rome. So the Italian Fascist party was nationalist socialism, as the National Socialist party of Adolf Hitler was.

    • Gee

      Yes if you go far enough left and right you will find it is a circle and not a line.

      • warpmine

        The left like to thing of it in a circle but truth be told, fascists and communists are both socialists. Communists are just to the left of fascists with neither favoring free speech and religion. Both are despised by the left.

        The political spectrum is a line from anarchy, lack of any government to total government control of everything, communist which is the absolute abolition of individual property. The framers of this country moved us just to the left of anarchism with a constitution to guard each person’s God given rights as stated in the declaration. Unfortunately, we’ve moved way left of where we were set up to be and this is primarily because the populace is wholly ignorant of the constitution and the framer’s thoughts regarding it.

        • Debbie G

          “Both are despised by the left….”? They ARE the left, and you verify this in the political spectrum.
          All Lefties are statists, no? Even the lefties who gravitate toward the center still like being under the wing of the “benevolent” govenment.

          • BagLady

            Why are you all hung up on the minutiae? I worry about you all. You spend so much time classifying everyone, you never get around to discussing the issue

          • Debbie G

            Yeah, you’re right. Details aren’t important. But I do appreciate your concern.

    • http://www.clarespark.com/ Clare Spark

      I agree that the signs are ominous, but it is wrong to simply equate Nazism and communism, though both were statist and authoritarian. See Leftist historian Eric Hobsbawm on the subject here: http://clarespark.com/2013/10/28/hobsbawm-israel-the-totalitarian-idea/: Hobsbawm, Israel, the totalitarian idea.”

      • truebearing

        What I said was that the hate that drives them makes ideological differences irrelevant. The result is the same, regardless of which derivation of Marxism you’re dealing with, or Islam, for that matter. Religions based in hate are all the same in essence. Their occult telos is destruction…the rest is simply designed to deceive people.

      • ricpic

        “Leftist historian Eric Hobsbawm” could never bring himself to denounce Uncle Joe. Which tells you where Clare Spark is coming from.

      • ben t

        “Leftist” Hobsbawm was a member of the Communist Party and MARXIST-STALINIST ALL HIS LIFE! All one has to do is Google his name and read the stands he took. I know where you’re coming from, “Clare”!!!!

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        The late eric hobsbawm is no one you should be holding up as a model of honesty.

    • BagLady

      The world is in a very dangerous state. Today we heard of jews in Ukraine being told to register, or else”

      However, we have also learned that, what most of us suspected, the leaflets were fakes, designed to do a bit of basic ‘divide and conquer’. Childish stuff.

      Which “Lord” will prevail? Will it be the Christian Lord who gave us his only son Jesus to relieve us of all our sins by dying an horrendous death on the cross? How many millions, billions even, have died for this one man’s suffering (if he ever existed)? I think of those advanced cultures of Central and South America who were annihilated by hordes of righteous Christians wielding crosses and swords.

      Time to get 21st Century and rid ourselves of these LORDS. Surely by now we can stand on our own feet without resorting to mumbo jumbo.

      • Drakken

        You say that the cultures of central and south America were advanced? Well I supposed they were, you know that whole sacrifice thousands thing really does show how advanced they were compared to us of western civilization. You really do hate your own don’t you?

    • WeNeedPeaceNow

      Simple solutions since just about 100% of the Middle East hates Israel and every American waking up to the fact that Israel is robbing them blind by stealing hundreds of billions dollars also hates the Israelis. Europe also hates Israel. Really simple solution scumbags of Israel. LEAVE THESE COUNTRIES ALONE AND STOP DESTROYING THEIR ECONOMIES. The world hates you so it must be the world at fault, right? Sure.

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  • Josh

    For a more detailed look at how Blumenthal and Mondoweiss fed the anti-Semitic atmosphere that contributed towards the JCC killings look here:
    https://storify.com/StopHate/the-deadly-nexus

  • wildjew

    I am a member of Audible.com. I have and do listen to some audio books written by leftists. Recently I listened to “My Promised Land” by Ari Shavit. Shavit is on the left. He entertains not a few dangerous ideas. But he is not loathsome like Max Blumenthal. I cannot say Shavit is an anti-Semite. I have been looking at Blumenthal’s “Goliath: Life and Loathing in Greater Israel.” I wonder if it is worth listening to just to hear this man’s arguments or a waste of time.

    • truebearing

      Life is too short to waste on the rantings of a malignant, hate-filled fool. Find something positive and encouraging to read instead. You’ll be happier and healthier.

      • wildjew

        You are probably (no doubt) right. I don’t mind listening to negativism so long as it is logically argued, but it is the “malignant, hate-filled” as you say; it is not worth a man’s time.

  • Jeff Ludwig

    An article like this just reveals to me how uninformed I am, and how strange and evil the world is. Usually, I pride myself on being able to “connect the dots,” but truthfully, despite a couple of impressive degrees, I am a rank amateur. An article like this proves it. Although reading the piece, I feel quite alarmed, I am calmed (1) because I know that I shall have to face even greater horrors and plots in the days ahead, and (2) that if god can heal lepers, He can certainly keep me sane and whole. Thank you Mr. Greenfield.

    • truebearing

      Well and humbly said.

    • Drakken

      Read a little history and you will get a grasp of what is happening today, and it will be a little less confusing. Make no mistake though, we are in for some very interesting times, only when the Chinese said it, it was meant as a curse.

      • Jeff Ludwig

        You need to humble down Mr. Drakken.

        • Drakken

          You either speak up today, or otherwise remain forever silent.

  • emptorpreempted

    Extreme nationalists accept at face value the leftist portrayal of Israel as a brutally-nationalistic, racist state; this permits them then to accuse diaspora Jews of hypocrisy whenever the politics of the latter fall short (as they must) of outright support for brutal, antisemitic nationalism in their own country. Therein lies the link between the antisemitic far-left and the antisemitic far-right.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Like “progressive” is a code word for Socialism,

      “extreme nationalism” is a code word for Fascism.

  • HamBaconEggs

    The actions of this individual are reprehensible, and there is no justification for taking another life in this manner. Period.

    Nevertheless, if I were a jew, I would feel obligated to ask myself what it was my co-religionists were doing that elicited such widespread resentment among people of every ethnicity and creed–and has been doing so for millennia. Do the racist, genocidal policies of “Israel” truly benefit you? Do the predatory, manipulative, power-seeking, and ethnocentric actions of your brethren in the government, media, and financial sectors reflect positively on you? As long as jews view “anti-Semitism” as some irrational hatred, divorced from JEWISH (MIS)BEHAVIOR, you can count on violent, misguided outbursts of this sort to continue.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      SHlTlerOnRye,

      If Israel were “the problem”, then Arabs and Muslims would be living in peace with their Non-Jewish / Non-Israeli / Non-Zionist neighbors.

      Are they?

      - 135,000+ dead in Syria (Arabs killing Arabs)
      - 8 year Iraq/Iran war
      - Muslims killing Christians in Nigeria
      - Sunni/Shiite bloodbaths
      - Muslim/Hindu bloodbaths
      - Near nuclear war between Muslim Pakistan and Hindu India due to a dispute over ownership of land (Kashmir)
      - Gays being hanged in Fascist Iran
      - Girls being stoned to death over “family honor”
      - Saddam Hussein using poison gas (a WMD) on the Kurds of Halabja Iraq

      BTW SHlTlerOnRye, Jesus was Jewish, his mother was Jewish, his father was Jewish.

      Perhaps you are upset that your side surrendered, unconditionally to the US, UK and SU in May, 1945?

      • HamBaconEggs

        Not talking about Muslims there, Mordechai, we’re talking about your “[self]-Chosen” tribe of miscreants. Try not to change the subject, huh, Bubbelah? And I could care less about the Dead jew on a Stick or his parents. As for the inevitable “oy vey, a N@ZI” accusations, you jewish supremacists who support the cancerous Zionist entity are closer in your methods and mentality to N@zis than I. Heil Hypocrisy!

      • Ken Kelso

        1 million Muslims killed each other in the Iran-Iraq War.
        150,000 Arabs killed each other in Algeria since 92.
        150,000 killed in Syria by the dictator Assad.
        150,000 Lebanese killed each other in their civil war started by Arafat from 75 to 90.
        20,0000 Arabs killed each other in Jordan, after Arafat tried to overthrow King Hussein’s government in 1970.
        Saddam Hussein kills and murders 200,000 Kurds.
        Assad Sr kills 20,000 Syrians in 1982 in Hama.
        Thousands of Palestinians kill each other in 2007 in Hamas Fatah war.
        1 million Bangladeshi Muslims killed by Pakistan in 1971.
        2 million Black Christians in South Sudan killed by North Sudan.
        Thousands of Egyptians, Yemenis and Somalis have killed each other.
        The list goes on.

      • David Ashton

        Your examples support Martel’s case against multi-ethnic “societies”.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          Like 16th century France?

          • David Ashton

            I am not sure what point you are making, but if it is that societies have conflicts other than ethnic ones that is quite so.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      SHlTlerOnRye,

      Why not talk about Muslims/Islamofascists you DUMB sack of SHlTler? Is it Counter Revolutionary?

      Are you “rejected”? Incompetent? Low Self Esteem Moron Socialist?

      Why did your SOCIALIST savior SHlTler call himself a national SOCIALIST?

      Why did your Socialist savior SHlTler declare War on the US four days after Imperialist Japan bomb Pear Harbor?

      Why did your savior take the cowards way out and blow his brains out in his Berlin bunker in April 1945?

    • ahad_ha_amoratsim

      This Jew isn’t asking because G*d already gave us the answer generations ago. He warned us that when we abandon his Torah and customs for the beliefs and customs of the non-Jews, He hides his face and reminds us that however much the not-G*d worshippers claim to hate us for not being like them, they hate us even more when we become too much like them.
      Your post is just one example. You start by claiming that Israel’s actions, and our identification with Israel, cause you to hate us, but then you bring up things that occurred long before there was a state of Israel. Your kind (that means Jew-haters, not non-Jews, before some Jew-hater accuses me of hating non-Jews) hate us with a transparent hate, and you will do so no matter what we do or do not do.

      • rsilverm

        Exactly. It does not matter what we do or do not do.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      When you look at all the negative comments you’re getting, ask yourself, did you do something to deserve them?

      As long as you view the responses as “some irrational hatred” divorced from your misbehavior, “you can count on violent, misguided outbursts of this sort to continue.”

      • ezpz

        If you look at his or her profile, you’ll see the same comment posted verbatim whenever there’s an article like this one.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          Somehow I’m neither stunned nor shocked. And for anyone who still doubts it, I obviously can’t delete comments or it would be gone by now.

          • ezpz

            Update:
            Now, the other comments that are exactly the same as this one are not showing up on his/her profile because they’re ‘awaiting moderation.’

          • laura r

            flag the comments like i do.

          • Martel

            There has been a lot of “anti-Semitism” in Europe. The Spanish, German, Dutch, French, Hungarian, Polish, Belgium, Austrian, Ukrainian and many other peoples have been accused of “anti-Semitism”.

            Do you believe that the Jewish community also made moral and strategic mistakes and contributed to the conflict, perhaps because of bigotry existing in their own community, or do you believe there is simply something wrong with Europeans, for continually getting into conflict with an otherwise perfectly just Jewish community?

            Another question:
            Do you think that when European Americans see that in general, most media companies are owned or run by Jewish Americans, and subsequently or coincidentally, the media tends to promote negative stereotypes about European Americans, do you understand why they conclude, correctly or incorrectly, that there is a connection between Jewish ownership of the media and “multiculturalist propaganda”?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Do you think that when people see that in general most terrorist attacks are committed by Islamists, that the overpriced $100 per barrel oil that is used to power the world comes from OPEC, that the After-Tax dollars paid by the entire world, that goes to OPEC, that the restrictions of Free Speech imposed by Regressive Progressives, that the oppression of women by Islamist men, the executions of gays by Islamists, that the murder of Christians in Nigeria, Pakistan, Egypt by Islamists, the current day slavery practiced in Sudan and Mauritania – all played down by “progressives” will backfire on “progressives” and the Fascist Left?

          • Martel

            Islam is definitely a problem, I would never disagree with this. The greater problem is the inability of the West to address it properly though. Europeans have been shamed into discarding their identity, and considering their history nothing but a hodgepodge of bigotry and “racism”. The latter is my concern.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Those same companies are promote negative stereotypes about Jews.

            Companies owned by White Christians also promote negative stereotypes about white people.

          • Martel

            Which major media companies owned by white Christians do this?

            I’m sure there are some, but I doubt they are trend setters and instead trend followers.. I may be wrong though, and would gladly find out.

            I don’t see these companies promoting negative stereotypes about Jews, they are often overly critical of Israel though, and they steer clear of criticizing their Arab antagonists, which is quite disturbing.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            FOX’s CEO is Rupert Murdoch. Comcast’s CEO is Brian Roberts. Time Warner’s CEO is Jeffrey Bewkes.

            Jews on television and movies are invariably depicted as obnoxious, pushy, greedy, socially inept and assorted other stereotypes.

          • Martel

            Brian Roberts is listed as Jewish on his wikipedia page, I have not looked into whether this is correct, but assuming it is for the moment. Even with Rupert Murdoch, his social network stars many prominent Jews, and until 2009 Peter Chernin was the COO of Newscorp. Its quite amazing how prominent Jewish Americans are in the media, as they only compromise about 4% of the US population I believe. It is safe to say that the major mediacompanies in general are owned or run by Jewish Americans. This has several causes, ranging from ethnic networking to a strong talent pool, but it is understandable that as the media eminates messages devaluing Western civilization and especially targeting white males, that many Europeans therefore believe that there is a connection. If the media would push positive messages about whites and western civilisation, or neutral even, i doubt this phenomenon would exist.

            Take into account that its very difficult to question Jewish ethic activism, or the Jewish role in fomenting conflicts with Germans(say 1870-ish), the Spanish, the French, or in any other country, without being called an antisemite or ”eurotrash” as seems to be a popular word for some in this comment section, it pushes many into a more extreme version of ”antisemitism”. It definitely made me more critical of Jewish ethnic activism and sparked my interest in these matters, though I remain balanced, despite the number of pejoratives thrown my way. Obviously I understand their concerns as well, but I think the current ”treatment” for ”antisemitism” reaps benefits for no one.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            “Martel”, Your “white” Eurotrash SHlTler declared War on the US four days after Imperialist Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.

            Tell us why your fellow “white” national SOCIALIST SHlTler declared War on the US on December 11, 1941?
            Why did your fellow “white” national SOCIALIST filth bomb and invade most of Europe?

            The US of Jefferson that you claim to admire was not a “white” supremacist sack of SHlTler as you clearly are.

            The “whites” of the BBC are pushing the “multi-cultural” epic failure of the UK.

          • Martel

            I’m not a white supremacist, far from it. I do believe that living together with those who consider us ”Eurotrash”is difficult, I also have little faith in multi ethnic societies and believe homogeneity is one of the more important building blocks for a peaceful society. I will not go into the issues surrounding the causes of world war two, as I believe you are behaving irrationally, possibly because of pent up frustrations. I also dislike the way you discuss Europeans and whites in general. I believe the Founding Fathers, and definitely Lincoln were wise enough to understand a multi ethnic society is not feasible, as do I. This has nothing to do with hatred, but more with understanding why my reasoned arguments attract such harsh statements from your side, unable to see me as anything other then another low life European. Naturally you can continue doing so, as it proves my point.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            My BS alarm just went off “Martel”.

            You ARE Eurotrash. You are of a culture of failure and death. You hate the US and Israel more than the immigrants who bomb passenger planes, bomb London transport, threaten Eurabia with 9/11 style massacres.

            “Martel”, please FOAD.

          • Martel

            Europe is one of the greatest cultures in history. I admire the united states, and consider Israel the only respectable state within the region,but I do not support it actively, as a large portion of the Jewish community treats me as you do. I will not stoop to using racial slurs against Jews though.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Europe WAS one of the greatest cultures.

            It’s OVER for Europe – now Eurabia.

            “Martel”, please FOAD ASAP.

          • Martel

            No it still is, I could not pick a contender if I tried. The European people are rapidly moving towards the right, so there is still hope. Fortunately we do not have 30 million illegal aliens and a white house pushing for amnesty, this will a socialist victory inevitable. Its advisable for Americans to support Numbers USA.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Your kind of “right” are national SOCIALISTS – an ideology that is responsible for millions of deaths.

            Eurabia has millions of illegal aliens who are on the dole, who openly threaten Eurabia with massacres, who assault and murder Eurabians.

            Socialism is destroying Europe once again.

          • Martel

            I said nothing which even indicates I favour national socialism as I don’t. You come across as irrational by making claims which seem to be only based on the anger you hold towards anyone who even slightly criticises Jews. Even though it is common to criticise Europeans and European Americans. This is the reason the conflict will flare up again.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You ain’t fooling anyone you dumb sack of SOCIALIST SHlTler.

            Europe didn’t want Jews. Now Europe has Muslims. Tens of millions of Muslims – who are outbreeding Eurotrash.

            Eurabia will turn into Syria – various tribes killing each other. It’s inevitable.

          • David Ashton

            Your first sentence tells us more about you than Martel.

          • David Ashton

            What is the evidence that Martel “hates” the people in Israel at all. He certainly opposes the immigration of Muslims into Europe, especially terrorists.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Jews are also prominent in multiple fields from medicine to scientific research.

            Secular Jews make the sort of material as secularists of any other stripe.

            Trying to pretend that this is about Jews, rather than about the left and secularism in general is simply dishonest.

            If the non-Jews in the media really believed something other than the Jews do, then the media would look radically different.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            CNN is Ted Turner.
            BBC is perfidious British.
            Al Jazeera is Qatari.
            Pravda and RT are Ruskie.
            Is Fox broadcast in Qatar and Moscow?

          • David Ashton

            Why these particular “stereotypes”? Rabbis do not get bashed by Hollywood movies as much as Christian priests or ministers.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Proportionally the amount is about the same. They’re usually there as a punchline.

      • ahad_ha_amoratsim

        Let’s not confuse some well-deserved ridicule, or even name calling, with violence, shall we?

    • rsilverm

      Nevetheless, if I were HamBaconEggs, I would feel obligated to ask myself why I view Israel’s legitimate self-defense against jihadists as “racist, genocidal policies”.

      If I were HamBaconEggs, I would feel obligated to ask myself why I blame Jews for being hated by people like HamBaconEggs.

      If I were HamBaconEggs, I would feel obligated to ask myself what predatory, manipulative, power-seeking, and ethnocentric actions are and why such actions, if they exist, are categorically different when undertaken by Jews, as opposed to non-Jews such as HamBaconEggs.

    • Habbgun

      And what are you Eurotrash? The American version of Eurotrash? What have your people done for the world? Imperialism? Communism and Fascism which has killed millions? How much STD’s have people like you spread and continue to spread? How much debt do your lying anachronistic universities continue to put people under while selling totalitarian collectivism?

      How much disease did the eurojunkies spread at their Occupy rallies? How much money was the taxpayer cheated out of while your government collaborators and sell outs worked for your corrupt aims?

      How long will the world tolerate you and your corrupt alliance with murderous jihad? YOU MUST REFORM!!!! YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!!!

      • Martel

        If someone said “Jewtrash” they would be called a ” bigot”. Instead you receive up votes for using anti-European slurs.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Who gives a crap about Eurabia?

          Eurabians don’t care about Europe either.

          • Martel

            Europeans care. But your attitude is always why I try to convince as many people as I can to stop supporting Israel, as its not a mutual friendship.

          • Drakken

            There is a difference between the Jews of Israel and the leftist jews that enable leftist stupidity that is infecting us all.

          • Martel

            I would never claim that all Jews are the same politically, although you do find some corresponding political interests.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            There are NO europeons.

            You’re Eurotrash. You think you can tell Americans what to do? Now you have sand nazis and socialists telling YOU what to do.

            LOL!

          • Martel

            I wish I could have told Americans what to do around 1964, unfortunately I was not born yet. Perhaps, my advise could have prevented white America turning into a majority, and republicans turning into a replica of the democrat party to keep with the demands of its vibrant citizens. I’m quite aware many of your ilk look down on my people, its not something I allow to cloud my judgement, as I rather promote a more gentle, peaceful approach.

          • Drakken

            Let me explain a very simple fact to you, you need the Europeans and we need you, but what we don’t need is muslims, simple enough for you?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Eurabia is lost – until the time, if ever, they regain their sanity.

            I think Eurabia has dark times ahead of it – and Eurabia serves as a warning for the US.

          • Drakken

            Europe is far from lost my friend, it hasn’t even begun to get started, but trust me it will, when that European strand of DNA comes out of hibernation and gets unleashed, it will be epic. Conquer and kill in the DNA goes back thousands of years. The 3rd world in our midst do not study nor understand history, much to their chagrin and horror, they are about to get an extreme lesson in it.

        • Habbgun

          Awww….how sad. The jerk comes here and says someone tried to kill you in a place that was set up as a general resource for the entire community (which is why non-Jews were there) and says maybe you should know why this is so and I am supposed to make nice? Sorry but most of this crap comes out of Europe and those from European extraction. In places like Venezuela where this talk is imported it is because they have lowered themselves to accept communism and socialism as the way to organize a society. You certainly didn’t say that these are not European attitudes. You merely didn’t like the vocabulary.
          I have no problem having generally accepted vocabulary words for angry people who hide behind certain European ideas without slandering the whole population (whom I have no problem with and generally like when I meet them. Sour leftists you’ve been ex
          porting to Brooklyn I don’t like at all.)
          You are welcome to offer a better vocabulary for me to use. There may be words in existence for them that I am ignorant of and I better off learning than staying ignorant.
          Thank you for the discussion.

      • Drakken

        I would not worry too much about all that, soon, there is going to be a very serious course correction in Europe and the US and it will not be pretty. There is going to be blood and lots of it. The 3rd world and the left who enable its pestilence are about to get an extremely rude awaking.

        • Habbgun

          Yes and thanks for being on the good side. They do however deserve fair warning in the only type of language that reaches them. Otherwise they will immediately get to work in the Universities about how they are such put upon victims (all underwritten by expensive government grants that enrich them while they claim victimhood).
          I’m also impatient. I would like to participate in the reckoning and I won’t be able to that with a walker.

          • Drakken

            That is why my good friend, I do not get all bogged down in the clutter, I always look at the big picture and where the trends are leading us, and I have a very firm grasp of history to understand where we get our core principles from and act accordingly. Western Civilization, Israel and the Slavic regions, we are all in this together and what we do in the coming few years is going to determine if us Westerners progress or go into another dark age if resurgent islam claims victory. In the end, it is a very simple choice, it is us, or it is them.

    • Bruce

      To HamBaconEggs – your omelette is tasteless. And such original thinking too. You’ve joined the ranks of the classic Anti-Semites who use old and tired *canards *(look up canard) to promote illogic and non-factual history. Your fear is palpable, hiding behind a sick bravado of lightweight insight. You’re right, we Jews do view Anti-Semitism as irrational hatred, and when you are buried and gone, Israel and the Jewish people will still be here.

      • Martel

        “You’re right, we Jews do view Anti-Semitism as irrational hatred”

        Other peoples always tried to look at it from both sides, hence conflicts tend to be solved. But even asking this question makes me a:

        A what?

        It begins with A and ends with nti-semite. Its impossible to even consider that there might be any guilt on the part of the Jewish community in any of the endless number of conflicts they have been engaged in.

        • Bruce

          To Martel- You write “Other peoples always tried to look at it from both sides, hence conflicts tend to be solved. But even asking this question makes me a:” Well the answer is, a Jerk.

          What other people? Everyone but Israel? Conflicts tend to be solved? Have you ever heard of war Martel? That right, thats when things tend not to be solved.

          Did I say I think any criticism of Israel is off limits? No. I’m was addressing HamBaconEggs and now your idea that Israel is to be held (the only country) to the highest standard of conduct on the planet. Asking questions is OK Martel, but its the questions themselves that may contain the root of the answers I believe you think you you’re looking for.

          I don’t want to sound as condescending to you as I probably do, but I can’t help myself. You’ve fallen into the perfect trap of illogic… or possibly worse.
          Cheer up, its not to late to change.

          Bruce

          • Martel

            What I say is perfectly logical. The average Jewish American or European I speak to, truly believes that all conflicts in with Jews have been engaged have been basically one-sided, inexplicable and irrational hatred from European gentiles. In this manner, Jews are unable to evaluate their own behaviour. For example, most of the times when I ask this question, I’m cascaded with pejoratives.

            Naturally this is senseless, bigotry exists within all people.

          • Drakken

            Well to add my two cents and change to the discussion, I believe it can be summed up as follows, the Jews of Europe and the US have been rightly or wrongly sided with the left, and that is what is the common denominator to the whole discussion.
            Europe and the East now are experiencing a resurgent rise in ethno nationalism due to the influx of the 3rd world into their midst, and the left are scared of what is going to happen to them when the ax finally falls, the Jews as per usual, are going to be caught in the middle of the coming Balkanization.

        • SCR EW SOCIALISM

          Endless conflicts like…
          - 8 year Iraq/Iran war
          - sunni/shiite bloodbaths
          - muslim/Hindu bloodbaths
          - murders of ethnic Chinese in Indonesia

          - kidnapping and beheading of Westerners
          - current day slavery in Sudan and Mauritania
          - Poison gas (a WMD) murder of 5,000 Kurds in Halabja Iraq by Muslim War Criminal Sadaam Hussein
          - Girls shot in the head by the Taliban for the crime of wanting an education (see Malala)

          Is that you’re whining about Jihadi?

          • Martel

            I’m a European, you seem to have some issues, I’m firmly opposed to the vile religion which is Islam.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            I’m against the vile religion which is national SOCIALISM.

    • truebearing

      If weren’t such a bigot, you’d be asking yourself why the Jewish minority was blamed for all of the problems in Pre-WWII Germany, despite being a distinct minority that didn’t control the policies of Germany. Israel didn’t exist then, genius.

      You might also question what sort of twisted thinking drove you to question ethnocentricity in general, much less in a group of people displaced from their homeland for thousands of years. Ethnic cohesion is a critical survival strategy…but that is exactly what bothers you, isn’t it? The Jews survived their persecution, and you can’t stand it.

      Israel has no genocidal policies, nor are they racist. If they were, there wouldn’t be so many Arab Muslims still living there. Notice how the Muslims have ethnically cleansed their lands of Christians and Jews for a comparison. You clearly don’t know the meaning of the words “genocidal” and “racist.”

      Your premise is that the success of the jewish people is moral grounds for violent reprisal, and that lazy, parasitic, undisciplined people should have all of the benefits of success that the hard working, educated, disciplined enjoy. It doesn’t even occur to your ideologically constipated and small intellect that envy of success is the real problem.

      You should feel obligated to ask yourself why hate rules your thought processes and why you have become such a despicable loser. You have your hands full just cleaning your own doorstep. You don’t have the time, the intelligence, or wisdom to be judging others, which in the vast majority of cases are your superiors.

      • laura r

        as a jew, i have asked myself those same questions. why not? lead me to study, educate myself on this very subject. i am dissapointed that there are so many jewish traitors. maybe thats just the human condition. now since i have studied the issue, i can defend jewish people.

        • truebearing

          Traitors aren’t unique to the jewish people. What is unique is the rapidity with which jews get blamed for things, as if they are in control of everything. It makes no sense whatsoever.

          Hitler blamed the jews for all of Germany’s problems, killed 6 million jews, and went on to engulf the world in a devasting world war. Jews were the victims, yet today, the Left isn’t attacking Germans, they’re demanding that Israel voluntarily ceases to exist, or be forced out of existence. Why? Because a fabrication known as “the Palestinians” is considered more deserving than the original inhabitants of that land. Again, it makes no sense.

          This planet is an insane asylum.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Socialism is an insane ideology – it destroys ambition and common sense.

          • liberalism is a mental illness

            Well said

    • liberalism is a mental illness

      Leftard. Genocidal policies?? Leftard

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    Looks like SHlTlerOnRye got flushed down the Loo, but…

    Why not talk about Muslims/Islamofascists you DUMB sack of SOCIALIST SHlTler? Is it too Counter Revolutionary?

    Are you “rejected”? Incompetent? Low Self Esteem Moron Socialist?

    Why did your SOCIALIST savior SHlTler call himself a national SOCIALIST?

    Why did your Socialist savior SHlTler declare War on the US four days after Imperialist Japan bombed Pear Harbor?

    Why did your savior take the cowards way out and blow his brains out in the ruins of his Berlin bunker in April 1945?

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    Someone should put max blumenthal and FGM (Female Genital Mutilation/Fraiser Glenn Moron) in the same room together – but tell FGM that Maxie is a “Jew”.

  • Ken Kelso

    Great article.

    Some more good info about MoronWeiss as i call them.

    Max Blumenthal tried to say a Thai worker massacred the Fogel family in Itamar 3 years ago.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2011/03/after-itamar-exploring-the-cynical-logic-that-makes-everyone-a-target.html
    After Itamar: Exploring the cynical logic that makes everyone a target
    Max Blumenthal on March 15, 2011

    Even after it became known that a Palestinian committed the massacre, Blumenthal made excuses for this Arab terrorist.
    The man is a sicko who turns a blind eye to the Palestinians genocidal media against Israel.

    Here is Annie Robbins of MoronWeiss saying that foreign workers murdered the Fogels in Itamar and not the Palestinians. Annie cant believe that Palestinians would massacre Israeli civilians.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2011/04/itamar-video-says-settlement-had-night-and-day-perimeter-surveillance.html
    Itamar video says settlement had night-and-day perimeter surveillance
    Annie Robbins
    April 5, 2011

    As Caroline Glick said, The fact that the Palestinians from Fatah and Hamas alike are Jew-hating racists should surprise no one who has been paying a modicum of attention to the Palestinian media and general culture. Since the PA was established in 1994 in the framework of the peace process between Israel and the PLO, it has used the media organs, schools and mosques it controls to spew out a constant flow of anti-Semitic propaganda. Much of the Jew-hating bile is indistinguishable from anti-Jewish propaganda published by the Nazis.

  • Ken Kelso

    https://storify.com/StopHate/the-deadly-nexus

    Even before Max Blumenthal joined the paper, the editor of Al-Akhbar had told the New York Times in a widely publicized interview that he supported the violent ethnic cleansing of all Jews from the Middle East:

    “He [Ibrahim al-Amine, the editorial chairman of Al Akhbar] offers his visitors tea, then reels off some of his own fondest hopes: to replace the oppressive governments of the Arab world, redraw the colonial-era borders, remove Israel from the map and send the Jews back to Europe— they would be more comfortable, after all, in a capitalist environment.”

  • Ken Kelso

    tinypic photo
    TINYPIC
    ·2 DAYS AGO

    However that same user, whose rant about “Jewish Supremacism in the 20th century” Max Blumenthal retweeted, had also tweeted this shocking anti-Semitic abuse at a Jewish twitter user+

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      maxie blumenthal needs to be a live target for a Predator drone.

  • mtnhikerdude

    There was no Holocaust . There was no WWII . Hitler was a myth . Islam loves Infidels . The Obamas love America . The View cast should be running the Nation. All Republicans should be executed for blatant racism . More welfare and Illegal Aliens should be given across the board Amnesty. Any one still speaking English
    should be tried for racism and fined and put in prison. All Caucasians should have to wear an “R” on their clothing. No more elections . The present administration will rule until they choose to step down. All Caucasian ,and Jewish home owners will be forced to relinquish their homes to non home owners of Mexican , African or Arabic decent . Anyone disagreeing with the Global Warming enthusiasts will be shot . Have fun America !

    • WalterBannon

      sounds like the democrat plaform

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Socialist democrat platform.

        JFK would not recognize today’s democrat Party – but Stalin would.

    • laura r

      coming down the pike, faster than you think.

      • Wolfthatknowsall

        When it does, I’ll just join the good folk on the Bundy Ranch. After all, there’s strength in numbers …

    • Lanna

      People who are evil will reap what they sow….the day will come with a shout when the lies will be thwarted, and evil will be destroyed.

    • Wolfthatknowsall

      I tend to be way too serious, and so I was preparing a scathing series of retorts to what you said in your comment. Then, I slapped my forehead, having realized that I often have a serious issue with sarcasm (even though I use it, myself).

      And now, I will go outside and prepare to be shot. After all, I disagree with the AGW enthusiasts …

      • Drakken

        You will be in good company Wolfy. ;)

    • stewball

      I like this comment.

      • mtnhikerdude

        Thanks ,Stew , unfortunately sometimes the truth is extremely sad. this is what happens when corrupt insanity rules..They still have close to 3 years to bury America. in the slime of political correctness and unsustainable debt and corrupt greed. They will lower the coffin of a Nation into its grave with smirks on their faces.We are being Detrioted .

  • trickyblain

    “Max Blumenthal and the Nation Institute didn’t turn Frazier Glenn Miller
    into a bigot, but they provided fresh materials to feed his bigotry.
    And it’s hard to say how many VNN members who might have been
    wavering in their bigoted beliefs had their
    hatred reinforced by supporting materials from the left.”

    When it was noted the Anders Brevick extensively cited FPM darlings in his manefesto, the reaction here was hysterical defiance. Yet, applying Greenfiled’s logic consistently, Spencer et. al. indeed “provided fresh materials to feed his bigotry.”

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Now your guy maxie blumenthal has been cited by fraiser glenn miller as anders brevik cited others.

      Your bigotry has caused deaths.

      • trickyblain

        Your idiocy has caused boredom.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Your SOCIALISM has caused deaths.

        • Drakken

          And your still a puzzy.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Breivik has already stated that he blamed Spencer to damage him and that he was trying to shield his Neo-Nazi influences.

      • trickyblain

        Yes, he’s crazy. Intelligent, but as you pointed out some months back, filled with self-granduer. My point is that it’s silly to go around trying to lay the blame on Spencer, who Breivik is on record as saying “inspired” him. Spencer has never called for the murder of innocents.

        Neither has Blumenthal, far as I know. So, I find it — well, I’ll be kind and just say “strange” — that you would forcefully and rightfully decry such accusations when it is done to your own, but turn around and do the same thing when the first opportunity arises to score a cheap point against your ideological foes.

        Just letting you know that it does not go unnoticed.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          Breivik is on record as saying that he deliberately tried to smear Spencer because he opposed him.

          Your accusation is out of date.

          • trickyblain

            My accusation, if you prefer to call it such, has nothing to do with Spencer.

            My query — as I prefer to call it — is why you would initially decry “guilt by association” slanders when it happens on one side, yet happily engage in them when you perceive that it can score you a cheap point.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Your accusation repeatedly mentions Spencer. Furthermore Breivik did not shoot up a mosque so it never held up anyway.

            Not all ‘guilt by accusation’ charges are invalid. I doubt you would argue that Miller’s Neo-Nazi ties are a non-issue.

          • trickyblain

            No, he shot up the children of liberal “enablers” of Muslim immigrants. He was very effective.

            Again, I mention Spencer in defense of him against silly charges. I may disagree with his hyperbole, but would never accuse him of murder — or accomplice thereof.

            You are using this as an opportunity to incite hatred against the “left.” And conveniently tie the “left” into Nazism.

            It’s your burden, Daniel — excusing every rightwinger of all wrongdoing. The global left is guilty of horrible, heinous things. But Nazism (or “Neo-Naizism”) ain’t one. That’s on the right. And, despite agreement from drunks and imbeciles, it is real history.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            WRONG.

            Nazis, AKA National SOCIALISTS were SOCIALISTS.

            National SOCIALISTS also inked a non-aggression pact with Soviet SOCIALISTS and began to invade countries and divide them up into spheres of influence.

            It’s not just the common use of “SOCIALISM”, it’s their pact too.

            Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact – AKA hitler-Stalin Pact
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

          • Daniel Greenfield

            He shot up members of a party that he had personal reasons with due to his family background.

            He discussed allying with Muslims in his writings.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            A cheap point – but valid.

          • Drakken

            Your still not out there helping your jihadist friends, now why would that be? All talk, and no show?

    • laura r

      vangard menbers are die hard core killer nazis. like 90% of them. stormfront has moderates. miller was banned from there. someone like miller is capable of killing @ the drop of a hat. if his morgage went up, he would kill a jew. (or want too). vangard members are very sick people.

      • ping

        From what I see Miller was banned from Stormfront because of a past feud the admin Don Black had with him when Miller snitched out members of “The Order” in exchange for a lower prison sentence, not because he was “too extreme.” I could picture him trying to say that now, though.

        • laura r

          they do ban members for being over the edge. they are concerned about their image. im sure being a snitch was the icing on the cake. he was banned several times.

  • Fritz Kohlhaas

    Nazis and Marxists: Remember the Hitler-Stalin Pact 1939!

  • WalterBannon

    Why do people keep accepting the left’s propaganda that the Nazis are right wing? They are socialists and this may seem right wing to some Marxists, but over here on the real right, in conservative land, that is still just left wing socialists. Nazis and communists are just two sides of the same socialist coin and the left has always been anti-Semitic.

    • laura r

      the nazis got rid of gays, & modern art, what ever they thought to be degenerate. socialists want a free for all, @ least in the USA. am i correct?

      • iluvisrael

        The nazis first victims were German nationals deemed undesirable – the mentally and/or physically handicapped, and gays.

      • reader

        According to the soviet penal code gay life style was punishable for up to 10 years of very hard labor. Modern art was also selectively forbidden. You’re missing the point so much, it’s not even funny. Any time you’re empowering the state, which is what all statist ideologies do – whether you call them socialist, fascist, communist or nazis – you’re sacrificing individual liberty on the state altar. So, whoever runs the state, will decide your fate at some point. You may like your sovereign today. But tomorrow, you may get someone who will make a number one you, and you won’t be able to do anything about it. Idiots never learn lessons of history. They just watch TV.

      • PAthena

        The Nazis did not get rid of homosexuals – the Brownshirts were homosexual.

    • justquitnow

      what good does it do you to call the Nazis left or right?

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        The nazis were SOCIALISTS – which eternally tarnishes Socialism.

        The Fact that the National SOCIALISTS had a non-aggression pact with the Soviet SOCIALISTS – and that they both invaded Poland and divvied it up in 1939 proves the point.

        That pact would have lasted longer if the National SOCIALISTS, AKA nazis didn’t renege on the deal.

        • justquitnow

          I wasn’t asking you and you didn’t answer the question anyway.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Get some tissues to dry your tears.

          • justquitnow

            huh? Get a hobby you sick old fart.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Ring the bell to get the nurse to wipe the dribble off your chin.

          • stewball

            That’s an awfully childish sentence for such a cleva fella!

        • ricpic

          Socialism is a profoundly atavistic movement focused on the rolling back of individual liberty in the name of equality.

      • Wolfthatknowsall

        Because both exist in the modern world, and present a threat to all of civilization …

    • DowntotheBone

      Correct.

    • trickyblain

      Exactly what policies instituted by the Nazis were “socialist”?

      Along the same lines, are you under the impression that the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is, in fact democratic or a people’s republic?

      • Bowtie and Fedora

        Reckon some of their economic policies might have been. I don’t know exactly, but the Nazis were for government regulation in the economy, that aspect of the ideology just got overshadowed by the nationalism…

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Your comrade Nazis called themselves National SOCIALISTS.

        Ask them.

      • Habbgun

        READ ROAD TO SERFDOM. PAGE AFTER PAGE OF PROOF…..WRITTEN BEFORE WWII!!!!

      • PAthena

        Among other things, the Autobahn and the Volkswagen automobile (note the name).

    • RESIST

      To answer your first question, for the same reason they believe Israel is a bastion of freedom.

  • antioli

    No body has to kill the Goyim they are drinking themselves to death.
    “All Hail to The Drinking Man”?

  • truebearing

    Behavior and beliefs like Blumenthal’s are an unmistakable mark of evil. He has betrayed not only his own people, but humanity. His fate is sealed.

  • laura r

    the family creates this. there are degrees. this guy is off the rails. must have been severly abused.

  • Judahlevi

    Max Blumenthal is not Jewish.

    We are not ‘his’ people – nor do we want to be.

    • iluvisrael

      True – he is a leftist first and foremost and a Jew in name only – a jino.

  • Lanna

    Indeed, it is more than Max Blumenthal and the Nation Institute, they contributed to the deaths, it is the same spirit of the antichrist that prompted Hitler to kill 11 million Jews, and continues to persecute them and Christians too! If you look at past shooters, James Holmes, Adam Lanza, Jarred Loughner, Mark David Chapman, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Wilkes Booth, they were all left wingers, so is the KKK….They in no way represent Conservatism, LIfe, Liberty, Peace, or Equality for all!

    • David Ashton

      Do you mean “11″ million Jews?

  • WillieJohn

    I will stand side by side with the jewish people against any foe
    –anytime, any place.
    Take heart Israel, you are not alone

    • Martel

      Israel is actually, quite alone. Recently an Israeli Minister called Denmark antisemitic because they had the audacity to ban halal and therefore kosher slaughter. When you include comments by high ranking Israel officials that they own America as Ariel Sharon did, naturally it chases of a lot of allies.

      If you are a US patriot, and you are called a bigot and “racist” all the time, you may want to take the time to look at the roots of your opponents behaviour.

      • Boston

        If you want to slander Israel find something that is not so easily traced back to the department of Hamas misinformation:

        MISQUOTE:

        Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon as quoted in an op-ed by nationally syndicated columnist Georgie Anne Geyer, allegedly said at an Israeli Cabinet meeting in autumn, 2001and reported by Kol Yisrael radio:

        “Don’t worry about American pressure, we control America.”

        “Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.”

        FACT:

        These quotes originated with the pro-Hamas American group Islamic Association for Palestine in an Oct. 13, 2001 press release, which claimed its source as Israeli radio Kol Yisrael:

        According [to] the Israeli Hebrew radio, Col Yisrael Wednesday, Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and turn the US against us. At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned toward Peres, saying “ . . . I want to tell you something clear, don’t worry about American pressure on Israel, we the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.”…

        You are as American as camel pudding pie Mohamed.

        PS if you want Americans to hear your opinions stop bombing our races and flying jets into our buildings.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          BOSTON AKBAR!

          Eurotrash martel ETERNAL NAKBA!

          • stewball

            Well you certainly want peace. Is it that you’d like to be a martyr and get all that’s promised you? ??;-)

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Sure we want peace.

            Like the Peace when your national Socialists surrendered, unconditionally to the US, UK and SU.

        • Martel

          As your Jewish friend below calls me, I’m actually “Eurotrash”, as he finds it suitable to call those of European descent, and definitely not a Mohammedan. I have no issue with America, I’m not sure where you get this idea. I admire the constitution, and have defended America countless times, as my fellow Europeans unfortunately have little access to unbiased media sources. On the other hand, I have little faith that the America I admired will continue as I know it for much longer, especially now both RINO’s and democrats are pushing for Amnesty, unconcerned about the objections made by their white constituents.

          Either how, it does seem that the source of this comment is quite unreliable,I will be careful to use it from now on.There are plenty of verifiable statements which show the same mentality as “Screw Socialism” when it comes to Jewish views of the European people.

          I hope one day it becomes the norm for them to discourage such behaviour. It has led to many conflicts before.

          • Your Dad

            Note: your still a uckf liar Mohamed.

          • Martel

            Lol. There are some frustrated, weird individuals on this blog. According to predictions made by Muslims centuries ago, I am actually the Anti-Mohammed. This may be why you are confused.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Eurabia hates the US.

            Fine. The US hates dumb, collaborating, resting on its laurels SOCIALIST Eurabia too.

          • Martel

            I admire the US despite its flaws, you seem to be incredibly frustrated and you make little sense at times.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Enjoy your dhimmitude – you deserve it, Eurotrash.

          • Martel

            I said nothing immoral, so its quite clear that any European who would ask some simple questions about historic revisionism would receive such bigoted statements.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Historic revisionism like your National SOCIALISTS weren’t Socialists?

            LOL!

          • Drakken

            Well said Martel and Bravo.

        • Martel

          Also, please learn about Charles Martel, as humorous as it is for you to call me a Muslim, the fact that you don’t know your European history is a shame. Without Charles Martel, its likely there would never have been the United Stated of America as we know it today.

          • Your Mother

            Mohamed, Thank you trash bag.

          • David Ashton

            You have great patience, Martel, in replying to so many half-baked, abusive, uneducated, and often blatantly stupid “comments”.

          • Martel

            Its easy to be patient when such desperate measures continually confirm that my analysis is correct.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            We sit back and relax as Eurabia self destructs.

            Enjoy your subjugation.

          • David Ashton

            Enjoy your premature Schadenfreude.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Nothing premature about it.

            Your bbc, media, are all cheer leading the diversity of Islamism taking hold in the uk.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Speaking of half-baked, abusive, uneducated and blatently stupid “comments”, take a look at your blather.

          • David Ashton

            Did I include YOU? Oh dear, if the cap fits wear it.

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            Dear David,

            I was sad to read that you will pass away in the near future, as I have come to respect and admire you as a very knowledgeable individual. You and Martel are the closest to me in political views, and especially what is appealing to me is your support and advocacy of humanitarian eugenics.

            If I can find the time, I will start reading all your past Disqus comments and learn more about your views. What you said in the past will be a framework for me to rely on, and I hope that I can still ask you questions about your views as long as you are still here with us. Consider me your disciple.

            There is one question that has kept me busy for some time now. You said that you support free speech for everyone, but without incitement to crime. I am not sure that I understand what you mean by “crime”, as it is a somewhat arbitrary and relative concept.

            For example, Who Me? recently advocated genocide in the “Native French under Attack in Muslim Areas” thread. Here is what he said:

            I don’t advocate genocide of any people. However in the case of Muslims, I’d make a necessary exception. If they won’t leave European and traditionally European homelands such as Canada and the US on their own, they must be persuaded, paid or driven back to their own homelands, with the sword and the gun if it comes to that.

            FeuerSalamander replied:

            I advocate genocide, pre emptive genocide. It is enough that they have stated their intentions to genocide us. What more do we need? Strike while one can, the opportunity may never present itself again.

            What is your opinion on these instances of advocacy of genocide and on the advocacy of genocide in general? Where do you draw the line? And why?

            I hope to keep your legacy alive in the far future and I hope not to be a waste of your time.

            Best wishes,

            Heidi

          • David Ashton

            Thank you for your kind wishes on this unexpected site. I think I have sufficient years left to get some urgent items finished and published. I get tired, but will never give up. I adhere to the pledge I gave to my Devonshire Dad before he died: “You will go on fighting for our dear old England, when I’ve gone, won’t you, son?”

            I have some “lovely Nordic” grandchildren, and “Nordic and/or Mediterranean” friends and relatives, whose future concerns me. Each of us must die sooner or later, but we do not have to let our own people and civilization also die out, or even endure a lingering death. I can respect hardworking immigrants but not the “white liberals” who spit prematurely on our national grave.

            By “crime” I mean ordinary offences under the law, including murder. Some laws can be immorally oppressive and, if broken for good reason, those who break them must not injure innocent people in the process. I read today that Paul Weston was arrested for quoting a criticism of Islam written by Churchill – a case for Amnesty International.

            We have no right to murder innocent people who cannot help their racial origins, but we do have the right to individual and collective self-defense. More on this if you are not satisfied.

          • stewball

            Well down with Charles martel.

          • Martel

            How so?

          • stewball

            Maybe America would still be British. Needless to say I fifnyy

    • Bowtie and Fedora

      Even when they shoot up your own people’s ships? Even when their diaspora overwhelmingly votes for your political enemies, and when so many early socialists were Jews?

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Most SOCIALISTS are not Jews.

        SHlTler wasn’t a Jew. SHlTler was a national SOCIALIST.

        Chairman Mao wasn’t a Jew either.

        • Bowtie and Fedora

          Most wouldn’t be, since the Jews are such a small population, but Jews have a high propensity for being socialist, and more importantly, they have produced many of the intellectuals who lead the socialist movement, from Marx up to the present day.

          Of course there also seems to be a small segment of the Jewish population that takes to anarchy and libertarianism (like Friedman), but they are outweighed by their leftist brethren.

          I used to be a big Semitophile who considered the Diaspora to be traitors to Israel, but then I realized that Israel isn’t all that trustworthy itself. Have you heard of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef? Biggest rabbi in his country, and he went around saying things like how the ‘goyim’ exist only to serve the Jews.

          The racism and conspiracy theories amongst anti-Semites are a load of BS, but if you’re an anti-communist, Jews are no more your friend than Muslims or Blacks. They’re a group that has to be coaxed over or pushed out of the way.

          • stewball

            Rabbi yosef was u horrible individual
            Don’t. Listen to him. He was contemptible

          • Bowtie and Fedora

            I agree that he’s horrible… which is my point. The Israeli people (as a whole) loved him. Jews don’t hack away at their children’s genitals and blow up people for disagreeing with them, but their more conservative element has hostile intentions.

          • stewball

            I don’t know where you got your facts but most of us disliked him intensely. All those thousands at his b funeral were hassiddim who are nit part of Israel culture or community.

          • Bowtie and Fedora

            Ah, you’re an Israeli yourself? :) Reform, ethnic only, or something else?

          • stewball

            I am a British/Israeli. Judaism is my religion but I don’t practice it. I come from an orthodox family. Ok?

          • JohnEngelman

            My religion is Episcopalianism, and I do practice it.

  • Bastiat

    C’mon FrontPageMag, please stop citing the far-left Southern Poverty Law Center. It really diminishes the credibility of an article.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      I cite it to point out its worthlessness

  • DowntotheBone

    “…the left must either conduct a moral reckoning and clean its house….”

    That’s a joke,…right?

  • American1969

    God has Israel’s back. Not to worry.

    • Kahane had it right!!

      No God doesn’t (See the Holocaust), Jews must arm themselves, stand together and have zero tolerance for anti-Semitism. The only thing that gets ones attention is a policy of deterrence.

      • American1969

        Read your Bible. When the time comes, Israel will be defended by God Himself. Yes the Holocaust happened, but genocide has happened throughout history, not just toward the Hebrews. God also allowed the Hebrews to go into exile and lose Israel, but He also stated that the nation would return to their homeland. 1948 it happened.
        God has Israel’s back, but I also agree that Jews must defend themselves and not back down or tolerate anti-Semitism.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Israel needs both G-d and guns.

          And Israel now has both.

        • Martel

          Even though I am a Christian, I am wary of using the bible to interpret issues such as antisemitism. It would mean the bible would ignore the countless other examples of ethnic conflicts, but provide an explanation for a single one. I find that difficult to believe. I hope God is on all our sides instead, as individuals.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You are as much of a “Christian” as SOCIALIST SHlTler was.

          • Martel

            You compared me with Muslims, Hitler, and called me anti European pejoratives. You appear absolutely erratic, which is a shame, as this could have been an interesting conversation instead of you airing such bigoted language. I do not hold grudges though.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Why shouldn’t Americans down down on Eurotrash?

            Elitist Eurotrash look down on America.

            Now Europeons are being overrun by Islamofascists.

            Priceless.

          • Drakken

            I keep telling you that we are all in this together, if Europe falls the rest of us go as well. Look at the big picture.

          • Drakken

            Pssst Martel is on your side, he is trying to educate you on a European view of things, so my friend, please start seeing the trees in the forest.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            If you think “Martel” is on our side, you need to read his comments a bit more closely.

            “Martels” Eurotrash “white” pride is national SOCIALISM.

            You don’t fight Islamofascism with Fascism. They are both cancers.

            Enforce laws equally. Law and Order.

            Not Socialist Fascism.
            Not FAKE “anti-war”.
            Not Isolationism.

            Western Civilization – NOT Socialism/Fascism/Islamofascism.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            What you need to understand is that anti-Semites some times argue a Biblical justification for anti-Semitism by applying a collectivist worldview and making all Jews accountable for the specific Jews that killed Christ. Especially when they don’t go around attacking “Italians” for the same thing.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Romans killed Christ.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            And those poor Romans are persecuted to this day because the Bible says that they’re all evil.

  • American1969

    I’ve never understood anti-Semitism, to be honest. It’s everywhere! I don’t get it—-why such hatred toward the Jews and Israel? Not just in recent memory, but all throughout history? What’s the deal?

    • http://www.facebook.com/aemoreira81 aemoreira81

      It’s easier to explain the hatred towards Israel than Jews per se. In the USA, it’s the idea that Israel is talked about so much in American polities even though they’re not a part of the USA…more than the rest of the world combined.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        The USA is hated too – by Eurotrash SOCIALISTS.

        The USA eclipsed Europe after WW2.

        Many of Europes best and brightest died in WW2. The brain drain that Europe experienced since WW2 has contributed to its decline.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Why the Jews – Part 1

      Understanding the root of the world’s longest hatred.
      http://www.aish.com/sem/wtj/82875402.html

    • Martel

      Its only difficult because of the myths surrounding ”antisemitism”. I will give the first clue to how you should analyse this matter. Many prominent Jews explain antisemitism, as an inexplicable phenomenon, as a way to help people to understand the devastating nature of the events in world war two. In reality, these events are everything but inexplicable, but it requires critiquing the Jewish communities no different from the gentile communities. Unfortunately, this is a sensitive subject, and you will see some in this comment section using anti-european pejoratives against me for doing so. It may be a shock to you, but prior to world war two, it was quite common to believe Jews were involved in movements endangering the sovereignty of European nations. Men like Churchill also observed the overrepresentation of Jews in communist movements in the USA, England, Germany, Hungary and the Bolshevik movement in Russia. In those days, there was a legitimate fear that the fire started in Russia would expand to Western Europe. They often considered Jews the vanguard as this movement. The latter was correct, though this doesn’t mean all Jews where involved in such movements, far from it.

      To understand the conflicts between european gentiles and european Jews, I recommend the earlier writings of Kevin Macdonald.His book Culture of critique can be found via Google and adding ”PDF”. I believe it is still online. It dispells many myths, but also provides me with some solutions for these conflicts as a I have a better grasp of the issues.

      About Israel, this is mostly because of the growing influence of the Arab lobbies, and the fact that Jews in Israel are considered ”white European invaders’ who basically colonize the native Palestinians. I don’t agree with this description obviously.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Watch this “Martel”. A bunch of beaten “white” supremacists SURRENDERING, UNCONDITIONALLY to the US and UK and SU.

        Beaten Nazis Sign Historic Surrender 1945
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMMJdeVoBv0

        • Martel

          Its good the second world war was ended before more lives were wasted, although, the fears of the Germans were proven true, and Eastern Europe would become occupied for decades to come. The allied forces, as rumoured to be admitted by Patton, made a mistake in chasing the National socialists to the bitter end, and should have confronted the soviet union. Its a shame not one of the many assassination attempts at Hitler did work out though, Germany could have steered towards independence under better leadership.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The defeat of your “white” SOCIALIST heroes, at tremendous cost in lives and treasure, was the death knell of old world europe.

            The US blossomed and Europe was devastated.

            It’s too bad that your “white” socialist filth were defeated by Pattons army. Eh?

          • Martel

            You seem to enjoy making disparaging remarks about Europe and Europeans, which is predictable, but your comments make little sense, you completely misinterpret my politics, in combination with your style of writing makes you appear quite nonsensical, which is a shame.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Moi? Eurabia is undeniably a failed society.

            Your “politics” are evident when you blabber about “whites”.

            Enjoy your dhimmitude. Eurotrash deserve it. Islamofascisgts are feeling strength in their numbers, enough to openly threaten Eurabia and acting on those threats.

            Now you don’t trade one cancer for another cancer – trading national SOCIALISM AKA Fascism for Islamofascism.

            Just enforce the laws you have – EQUALLY.

            BTW, “Martel”, I demand you stay in Eurabia forever. The West doesn’t need a sack of SHlTler like you here.

          • Martel

            You clearly have a distaste for my people. I have no interest in national socialism, but don’t worry about me staying in Europe, which your ilk enjoys to watch going up in flames, I often travel to the states where my views are well received by conservatives. I help them understand that being allied with someone like you who despises ”Euro trash” is unproductive. I hope for better relations in the future.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            I do have a distaste for your Eurotrash culture.

            European SOCIALISM has been a plague on the earth. Millions of people have died thanks to Socialism. The sooner that Eurabia implodes, the better.

            Eurabia depends on KGB Putins for natural gas – and KGB Putin is threatening to put the squeeze on Eurabia.
            Please stay in Eurabia and swelter and later shiver.

          • Martel

            I’m not a socialist, and made this quite clear. Taking the effort to look through my posts on front page would have made such a claim impossible to make, so please don’t use this excuse to hide your general distaste of Europeans. I have said nothing which could be described as immoral, so again, this is not the reason.

            Also, as I said earlier, I will often be in the state, and convince my friends across the pond to take certain issues more seriously.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Your pants are on fire.

          • David Ashton

            I think “Screw Socialism” has a Screw loose. His comments are mostly raving insults with little connection either to facts or decent feelings.

          • Martel

            Its a shame such boards lose in quality over individuals such as him or her.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            It’s a shame that your side lost WW2.

            /sarc

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            I think “David Ashton” likes his dhimmitude.

            London has become Londonistan.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You’re not a socialist?

            My BS alarm just went off – you dumb sack of Socislist SHlTler.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Eurotrash, please stay in your failed SOCIALIST society.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Disparage Eurabia?

            What’s wrong with being sensible?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            He’s disparaging socialists that you think were persecuted because they were white non-Jews.

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            And when the jews infested the American government, so began that same thing for America that the jews did for Germany. Collapse the economy. Take over the banking systems and pilfer the money for jews and Israel. That about right? Cause it sure looks like it.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbqv9hte0tA

            How do jews thank the Americans for saving them in WW2? By establishing AIPAC and destroying the American economy. Thanks PARASITE JEWS!!!

          • American1969

            Patton saw the Russians for the threat the were at the time, and no one listened to him.
            There were over fifty assassination attempts on Hitler—-too bad they weren’t successful earlier. It would have saved the Germans and everyone else a lot.

          • Martel

            Diana West discusses this in her new book. Its not well received on this blog, so I will not go into it too much. She also portrays Roosevelt negatively, I believe Horowitz strongly disagrees.An earlier death of Hitler would have been positive indeed, although I maintain that Germany should have remained aware of the communist threat. The US should have listened to Patton indeed, he truly understood the geopolitical theatre. A great man overall obviously.

          • American1969

            Roosevelt was an anti-Semite. I wonder how many really know that? And how many know what a lawbreaking, lying, piece of work he was. His entire legacy has been re-examined and found wanting. I can’t believe the number of people who still have no idea about things he did and his ideas. They still think he’s a hero!
            As for Patton: A great American! Too bad they don’t make them like that anymore.

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            Patton despised the jews and said we all fought for the wrong side and that we should have left Germany alone. He also noted that jews are disgusting creatures without morals and want to exterminate the German people for defending themselves against the jewish scammers to begin with.

          • American1969

            Wow! Never heard any of that! Where can I find this information?

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            It was hidden from us Americans just like the Gulf of Tonkin incident proved that Vietnam was based on a false flag attack. None of our soldiers were face down floating in the water. It was all proven a lie by declassified documents. Also recent declassified documents PROVED that the attack on Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen to get America into the war as well. While no conclusive proof that they knew where it was going to happen, they knew it WAS GOING TO HAPPEN and allowed it to do so. Why our teachers lie and don’t teach us real history is because it would cause distrust in every student towards the American government.. A MUCH EARNED DISTRUST.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

            In 1995, retired Vietnamese Defense Minister Vo Nguyen Giap, meeting with former Secretary of Defense McNamara, denied that Vietnamese gunboats had attacked American destroyers on August 4, while admitting to the attack on August 2.[34][35] A taped conversation of a meeting several weeks after passage of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution was released in 2001, revealing that McNamara expressed doubts to President Johnson that the attack had even occurred.[citation needed]

            In the Fall of 1999, retired senior CIA engineering executive S. Eugene Poteat wrote that he was asked in early August 1964 to determine if the radar operator’s report showed a real torpedo boat attack or an imagined one. He asked for further details on time, weather and surface conditions. No further details were forthcoming. In the end he concluded that there were no torpedo boats on the night in question, and that the White House was interested only in confirmation of an attack, not that there was no such attack.[36]

            Would you trust your government if you found out that Vietnam was based on a LIE?

            Google Patton and “we backed the wrong side.” While some websites will obviously be about hating the jews. The facts are the facts. You will not learn the truth because it is banned in school due to what will happen when children all graduate knowing how corrupt and evil the US Israeli owned AIPAC run government really is. Jews played a horrible role in so much destruction around the world that it can no longer be ignored. It is a fact and pointing it out does not make one “antisemitic” but rather honest. This is a tamer forum but the truth is the truth :

            http://www.davidicke.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-96003.html

            9-11 is also another government narrative that is just plain too silly to believe anymore. How a bunch of simpleton Arabs with boxcutters got by Israeli airport security. How all the money trails point to Israel. How all the benefits of 9-11 point to Israel are no longer to coincidental. It is just ridiculous to think that Israel had nothing to do with 9-11 when a bunch of them got caught with cameras all set up ready to film an even.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkOqjeL_dRc

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-OSRZv_1HE

            WOULD YOU WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT AFTER THIS? Would you trust a single government official after this? Would you trust the police? The Homeland Security run by jew Chertoff? The financial makets designed to fleece you that is also run by jews? The government that is propping up Israel and borrowing money from China and just handing it over to Israel? Is that fair? Is that right? When you discover that almost all American politicians are literally trading their souls for Israeli bribe money, wouldn’t you want them in prison? These are the things that are a reality and these are the things that no history teacher, no politician or government official likes the American people to know. These are not conspiracy theories. These are cold hard MONEY MAKING FACTS because at the root of all of this is nothing unbelievable, but rather just people being evil for the big payoffs. Entire governments are full of people and is it so hard to believe that Israel being so desperate for money and protection would not only allow an attack but also set it up to get Americans into the Middle East wars? Why is it so hard to believe that people are scumbags and are willing to murder to get what they want? It is as old as time itself.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Are you a 9/11 Troofer too?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Communists and Nazis are our enemies. Jews are our cultural ancestors.

            You are a collectivist and have more in common with communists and Nazis than you do with any Americans that are not leftist fifth columnists.

          • Martel

            Another claim about my political beliefs which is basically pulled out of a magic hat. Its clear its to difficult to address my arguments without making such claims. I’m a capitalist, but I also recognise that ethnic conflict between different ethnic groups is a given, especially if one cannot address the root causes if one is a member of the wrong ethnic group. Jews are able to criticise Europeans, but do the opposite, even in the most gentle terms, and it is a sign of ”bigotry”. This is the reason these matters are handled irrationally.

            I don’t have Nazis as enemies, given that they no longer exist in any serious form.Communism, and its modern variants still exist unfortunately.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            You didn’t refute what I said.

            Full Definition of COLLECTIVISM

            1: a political or economic theory advocating collective control especially over production and distribution; also : a system marked by such control

            2: emphasis on collective rather than individual action or identity

            Collectivists have tells, like assigning importance to ethnicity in political movements without showing any real correlation in the same way that astrologists believe they can read the stars in the sky.

            Being Jewish has nearly nothing to do with atheistic delusions like communism except for the possiblity that due to the constant scapegoating, they possibly have greater incentives to “solve” the alleged problems caused by their ancestors.

            Jews are accused of “capitalism” and of being “dirty Jew bankers.” Hearing these accusations might push some towards looking for alternatives. IOW, it’s not worth it to them to be known as the ones constantly accused. They want to make amends.

            My theory is that there is simply more pressure on Jews to solve the world’s problems because they’re so often accused of causing them. Otherwise they’re not that much different from other Western cultural groups. More Christians might go for communism if they were constantly accused of creating all of the chaos in the world via their alleged nefarious banking schemes. And some Jews probably believe that there are other Jews involved in some kind of ongoing “injustice” in banking practices and (allegedly corrupting) commerce in general.

          • Martel

            To claim ethnicity is not important may be fine within a philosophical framework detached from reality. In real life, you can not find me one country where there are no signs of emerging ethnic conflict or there is currently an ethnic conflict.

            The reason Jews are accused of issues concerning banking, is because Jews are highly prominent within banking. This can be demonstrated, unlike your interpretation, which suffers from an anxiety to recognize that all ethnic groups display different political interests, which often clash.

            The democrats recognise this, hence over 90 % of blacks vote democrat, the majority of hispanics votes democrat(good luck after amnesty) and even Asians do so, despite the fact that many of their cultural tendencies exhibit those of whites. You may life where such realities do not exist, although, if you are caucasian you perhaps should wonder why caucasian conservatives are continually called racists, see Paul Ryan as a recent example. If he was black, he would not be charged as a so called racist, hence, ethnicity matters in this case.

            As i discussed with Daniel, Jews also run nearly all major media companies, or own them. Since the media generally supports negative stereotyping of European Americans, this is a cause of resentment against Jews. This has nothing to do with the claims you presented, you cannot understand these issues if you imagine a world where ethnic background does not matter, and more importantly, you cannot try to ameliorate or solve these issues. I can, and i am trying to, but even though you cannot quote anything of me which is considered immoral, unfortunately to many resort to personal attacks, including some who use racial slurs against those of European descent.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Slurs against nazi, national SOCIALIST filth bothers you?

            Awww.

            Watch this you dumb sack of SOCIALIST SHlTler.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n96hb8Uqb8g

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “The reason Jews are accused of issues concerning banking, is because Jews are highly prominent within banking. This can be demonstrated, unlike your interpretation, which suffers from an anxiety to recognize that all ethnic groups display different political interests, which often clash.”

            The criticism is based on false historical narratives and faulty reasoning concerning cause and effect. Bankers have a crucial role in modern society. Demonizing them is to be a communist or a Marxist dupe. There is no difference between bankers from one ethnicity versus another unless they specifically apply a different set of rules because of the belief system associated with that ethnicity. It’s about belief and practice, not ethnicity.

            “The democrats recognise this, hence over 90 % of blacks vote democrat, the majority of hispanics votes democrat(good luck after amnesty) and even Asians do so, despite the fact that many of their cultural tendencies exhibit those of whites.”

            Because demagogues recognize that perception and reality are basically the same thing. In politics.

            The reason most anyone votes for Democrats is because of deception and demagoguery. The demagogues understand class warfare. The opposition is supposed to be about creating an environment of equality before the law and protection of the US constitution and its values.

            “Since the media generally supports negative stereotyping of European Americans, this is a cause of resentment against Jews.”

            It all boils down to Marx. You need to understand Critical Theory. We’re the de facto oppressor class according to those and related theories. Marx was one Jew. Lots of other Jews fight for the same constitutional values that I do. Socialism is a rebellion against traditional Jewish values, or rather against all traditions. Marxism is anti-Jewish. Not Jewish. Your enemy is Marxism and neo-Marxism. If some Jews hesitate to stand up and strongly attack Marxism, it’s because they were identified as the original oppressor class.

          • David Ashton

            Four useful Jewish writers to follow up: Julius Carlebach on Marx and Judaism; Jerry Muller & Jacques Attali on Jewish capitalists; Robert Wistrich on Jewish revolutionaries; Norman Cantor Jewish prominence among capitalists and communists.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Jews participate in modern movements. Jews that participate in any particular movement don’t represent Jews collectively.

            And until you can make a rational argument to show the relationship between Jewish ideas and the modern movements (and some times you can), you’re not really illuminating any important ideas by saying “Jews are involved with banks and the media.”

            Generally speaking, Jews are to be found everywhere in society that you find European gentiles.

          • David Ashton

            Sometimes you can, and sometimes you can’t. The few books (among many) I mentioned provide a brief factual (if imperfect) introduction to the pros and cons of this question, as they are not written by “anti-Semitic Gentiles”. Precise definitions are as important as meticulously verified documentation, neither of which are either simple or fixed.

            There are also issues of interests as well as concepts.
            Take the vexed and indeed complex issue of “Jewish Bolshevism”. Compare the analysis of Rosa Luxemburg by J.P. Nettl with that of Trotsky by Bertram Wolfe. Compare the statistics offered by Leonard Schapiro and Benjamin Pinkus with the actual names and offices provided by Denis Fahey. Examine the “authenticity” of the Sisson Documents in relation to the falsehood about Jacob Schiff, but also the facts about Olof Aschberg, Alexander Helphand and Julius Hammer.

          • David Ashton

            My VERY detailed, documented reply to this has not appeared and cannot be found on the Disqus archive either. I did not make a separate copy and see no point in trying again. Let me just say that there are interests as well as ideas.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            It’s possible to find interesting and useful things from objective investigations and analysis.

            It’s also possible to appear objective and use neo-Marxist (or some times good old fashioned pseudo science) theories to attack scapegoats. I’m not sure where you’re sources were going. I’ve seen plenty of examples of all of the above.

            I like Robert Wistrich a lot.

          • David Ashton

            I possess only four of Wistrich’s well-written and well-researched books and have read only three or four others; I have a few articles, including a recent one on the decline of “multicultural” Britain – but I do not think it fruitful to analyse the varying merits of each of his books here.

            I would be quite happy to list a dozen books which, taken together, give in my personal present judgment a more balanced – albeit imperfect – overall view of the curiously unique “longest hatred”, if you were interested and if it survives “Disqus moderation” unlike my previous wasted effort.

            I would not attempt to include studies relating specifically to the Holocaust or Israel, nor particular Jewish or “Jewish” writers, however interesting (e.g. Otto Weininger, Moses Hess, Haim Arlosoroff, Rosa Luxemburg, Yuri Slezkine, Hannah Arendt, Leo Strauss, David Dallin, some of my minor favorites like Chaim Bermant & Melanie Phillips….the list is endless).

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Put your longer comments on a blog and then place the URL in the comments.

          • David Ashton

            With respect, I have the interest but not the time to set up my own website and keep comments going; I am inundated with other commitments, domestic and literary-political. We at least share a hostility to Marxism and communism; in my case lifelong, not a “conversion”. During the “Soviet era” I was a major contributor to “East-West Digest”. I will edit this comment later with brief remarks on antisemitism and research recommendations.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            I’m not trying to task you with any burdens you’re not prepared for. There are however a lot of free Internet services where you can just quickly publish…even comments and point to them rather than worry about an editor or some kind of rule violation deleting them. You can just use it one time and then delete it yourself or keep it there without sharing the URL with search engines.

            I realize even that is a bit of a nuisance if you don’t know precisely where to go and do that. But it is a good option for a lot of people and yet it’s not something a lot of people seem to be aware of.

          • David Ashton

            I regard even Facebook & Twitter as more than a “nuisance”. Instead for general benefit, I list below my own “select” bibliography on a subject spoiled by self-righteousness or self-glorification (e.g. Dennis Prager), injured innocence (e.g. Leon Poliakov), or just duff stuff (e.g. Dan Cohn-Sherbok):-

            1. Richard Lynn, “The Chosen People: A study of Jewish intelligence & achievement” (Whitefish, MT: Washington Summit, 2011).
            2. Bernard Lazare, Introduction by Robert Wistrich, “Anti-Semitism: Its history & causes” (Nebraska UP/Bison, 1995).
            3. Albert S. Lindemann, “Esau’s Tears: Modern anti-semitism & the rise of the Jews” (Cambridge UP, 1997).
            4. Julius Carlebach, “Karl Marx & the Radical Critique of Judaism” (London: Routledge & Kegan Paul, 1978).
            5. Jerry Z. Muller, “Capitalism & the Jews” (Princeton UP, 2010).
            6. Andre Gerrits, “The Myth of Jewish Communism” (Brussels: PIE Peter Lang, 2009).
            7. Sharman Kadish, “Bolsheviks & British Jews” (London: Cass, 1992).
            8. Cesare G. De Michelis, “The Non-Existent Manuscript: A study of The Protocols of the Sages of Zion” (Nebraska UP/Jerusalem SICSA, 2004).
            9. Peter Schafer, “Jesus in the Talmud” (Princeton UP, 2007).
            10. Norman F. Cantor, “The Sacred Chain: A history of the Jews” (Harper/Collins 1995).
            11. Kevin MacDonald, “The Culture of Critique” (lst Books, 2002).
            12. Gilad Atzmon, “The Wandering Jew: A study of Jewish identity politics” (Winchester: Zero Books, 2011).

            I have not added my own pros & cons, but leave that to those AFTER they have actually READ all the texts.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Angloparanoia.

          • Martel

            Genetics, traditions and ethnic interests are all at play. High average intelligence amongst jews ensures prominence in top positions and # of nobel prizes per capita. Traditions influence high interest in certain fields, and an image of the role of Judaism in the world, ethnic interests are well documented as well. For example, British Jews financing underground movements in the middle East leading to riots in England after the second world war, the situation surrounding the Balfour declaration and the established role Jewish interests played in Woodrow supporting it, other issues are as vivid as the treatment of Lindbergh after his Des Moines speech.

            All ethnic groups have ethnic interests, though amongst minorities they are more salient for various reasons, such as both legitimate and illegitimate fears for public opinion amongst the majority. This is also why most Jews fear a rational discussion of antisemitism, as this would show both sides have made mistakes. Jews fear such a discussion would lead to more antisemitism, it is something you may even fear, and I cannot blame anyone, even though I must conclude these fears are not valid.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Martel, your gene pool needs chlorine.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            British Empire has receded to the boundaries of the pile of rocks in the North Atlantic, and now the UK has no-go areas for non-Muslims.

            Pity.

          • Martel

            Its undeniable that both minorities and majority ethnic groups tend to follow their ”own”, especially when they fear the political tendencies of other ethnic groups. There are other factors at play, but this view helps to understand why different ethnic groups tend to favour different political ideologies, and why ”multiculturalism” is not something to strive for. This view is corroborated by critical yet not widely read research, as it often upsets too many of its readers. I agree that about the inherent dangers of ideologies, but on a macro level, demographics are always the main sources of political change. It cannot be denied that Jews were overrepresented in such movements. and Macdonald provides information that this was caused by a fear for gentile nationalism as one important factor.

            I consider my opponents those who espouse an ideology or who actively work to prevent European Americans or Europeans to protect their demographic majority, as this is the main component for maintaining a peaceful nation, not ridden with ethnic conflict. This includes cultural Marxists, and several other open border movements, these days, these activists and financiers are from varying backgrounds.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Its undeniable that both minorities and majority ethnic groups tend to follow their ”own”, especially when they fear the political tendencies of other ethnic groups.”

            People follow other people that they respect and identify with. Some times it’s based on ideology and other times it’s based on ethnic or cultural identity. And some times other factors come in to play that are unseen by the analysts trying to look for relevant patterns.

            “There are other factors at play, but this view helps to understand why different ethnic groups tend to favour different political ideologies, and why ”multiculturalism” is not something to strive for.”

            The modern understanding of multiculturalism is generally a stealth attack on nationalism. I don’t favor leftist ideas about multiculturalism at all. But that is not the same as demanding assimilation for no rational reason. We can have cultural diversity within a nation without diluting core values of that nation.

            “This view is corroborated by critical yet not widely read research, as it often upsets too many of its readers. I agree that about the inherent dangers of ideologies, but on a macro level, demographics are always the main sources of political change.”

            I think you’re alluding to some idea about risk management and using visa’s to control those risks…or something like that. Yeah, that’s an issue but not the main issue.

            “It cannot be denied that Jews were overrepresented in such movements. and Macdonald provides information that this was caused by a fear for gentile nationalism as one important factor.”

            Generally speaking, Jews are highly represented as thought leaders. And since Jews are essentially pre-Messianic Christians, they share a lot of the same values yet have an expectation of some radical change that will deliver society from its ills. It’s even ingrained in secular Jewish thought to some degree. That’s essentially how you can explain that nebulous factor of why Jews “seem to be” very often at the vanguard of radical movements.

            “I consider my opponents those who espouse an ideology or who actively work to prevent European Americans or Europeans to protect their demographic majority, as this is the main component for maintaining a peaceful nation, not ridden with ethnic conflict.”

            Some of your ideas are valid. But you don’t seem to have an appreciation for how dynamic society is. That means that people do grow beyond their ethnic “programming.” Fight bad ideas. Don’t try to figure out some pattern in the stars or on the tea leaves that you think will provide the “missing key” that can more reasonably be explained by ideology and the fact that people are attracted to ideas that they think are “good.”

          • Martel

            About your last paragraph, I think you overestimate the notion that people can grow beyond their ”ethnic programming”. Certainly, ethnocentrism, as caused by psychological processes even registered in small children, is not distributed evenly. But in general, most people prefer to live and spend time amongst their own, this can be observed anywhere. In general, different ethnic groups basically live different lives, in terms of politics, culture and other issues.

            There are no examples of successful multi ethnic societies, and this is not only caused by evolutionary factors, but also by the fact that ethnic identity greatly determines perception. As irrational white leftists may seem to you, they simply echo feelings of discrimination and sentiments among black Americans, which are often much more radical then most whites know. Statistics on segregation, general observation, show us that forcing diversity, causes ethnic resentment. The fact that this is often masked by progressive or conservative ideology makes no difference. Look at any nation worldwide, there will always be ideologies which pit ethnic groups against each other, and while ideologies can ameliorate or increase tensions, they simply represent underlying processes which determine that there are no, and never will be successful multi ethnic societies.

            Americans will soon have their amnesty though, as even amongst republicans opposition is laughable, as is the knowledge about ethnic conflict, and I will be proven right. America will not be the same when it is no longer majority white, culture and ethnicity are not mutually independent. There are absolutely zero cases of any neighbourhood, city, or nation remaining even remotely similar after the majority ethnicity was replaced. Do you live in a state/city which is experiencing dramatic demographic changes?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “About your last paragraph, I think you overestimate the notion that people can grow beyond their ”ethnic programming”.”

            What they can (potentially do) and what they do (in reality) are not the same thing.

            “Certainly, ethnocentrism, as caused by psychological processes even registered in small children, is not distributed evenly. But in general, most people prefer to live and spend time amongst their own, this can be observed anywhere. In general, different ethnic groups basically live different lives, in terms of politics, culture and other issues.”

            This is the result of culture (nature versus nurture) rather than any kind of determinism. If children are raised to have certain values and limits, they will tend to respond as they are conditioned to. Rebellious thinkers can potentially plot their own course more easily. It’s up to the individual. That’s not a denial of statistics or what happens in reality. But if you lose track of potential, you be well enough informed to develop the best responses to these issues.

            “There are no examples of successful multi ethnic societies, and this is not only caused by evolutionary factors, but also by the fact that ethnic identity greatly determines perception.”

            I understand your concern, but I don’t think you have any objective definitions for “multi-ethnic.” When cultures clash, multiculturalism will obviously lead to tension and ethnic (and this is key: to the extent that ethnic is associated with distinct culture) or in actuality cultural cold wars.

            When a nation such as the United States is able to show tolerance for other cultures within limits of the law, you don’t notice that. We have in most major cities little ethnic enclaves and while occasionally they can be a host for trouble, for the most part people actually enjoy the diversity.

            The problem comes not from diversity in any form but diversity that demands we tolerate different standards according to cultural background. Generally speaking, the phrase “multiculuralism” was coined in order to take successful examples of tolerance of diversity and use that as an argument that we should embrace cultures wholly and not demand that they change for the host culture. Even when it violates our laws.

            That’s when “multiculturalism” becomes illegitimate and an attack on nationalism. When we are told that someone’s culture is more important than our laws. Like when Muslim immigrants are given leniency for not understanding that “rape is not culturally acceptable in the West.”

            So it’s a problem that can be defined objectively without getting in to parsing ethnicity. You can parse the “good” from the “bad” according to support for our laws. You have those who break our laws with “multicultural justifications” but much worse you have traitors that argue that we have no right to hold immigrants to our standards.

            We don’t have a natural right to force Chinese immigrants to eat hamburgers. They can eat as much steamed rice as they want. We do have a right to demand that people obey our laws without excusing them for lack of knowledge or having “different values.”

            No need to parse race or ethnicity. It’s about values, expectations and ultimately about enforcing our laws without apology under the single standard that has always worked for us in the past that made our respective nations what they are today.

            If you want to change the laws, come with a rational argument, not a “multicultural” argument.

          • Martel

            It seems we live in two completely different worlds.

            “If children are raised to have certain values and limits, they will tend to respond as they are condition too”

            Actually, you cannot suppress these psychological processes over long periods, In practice, people prefer segregation.

            “We have in most major cities little ethnic enclaves and while
            occasionally they can be a host for trouble, for the most part people
            actually enjoy the diversity.”

            Statistics on segregation not only prove you wrong, but there is ethnic conflict throughout the USA. Its quite amazing you are oblivious to this, considering you are a conservative. Do you ever read statements by black celebrities or politicians, look up news about interracial crime, or literally any of the other thousands of issues plaguing america?

            “If you want to change the laws, come with a rational argument, not a “multicultural” argument”

            The reason blacks perform poorly in every state academically, is because nature could not care less about “nurture”. Hispanics also have lower average IQ’s then whites; Both statistics mean, that both Hispanics and Blacks notice the fact that they under perform academically, but instead, they blame it on white institutional racism. My argument is perfectly rational, someone who is oblivious to ethnic conflict shouldn’t comment on the rationality of others.

            “Laws” make no difference at all. In Miami, Hispanics only chose Hispanic mayor, this is not against the law, but it certainly discriminates against white Americans.

            Sorry but I can’t waste precious time on someone who thinks America is currently enjoying its diversity, even FPM knows better.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “There are absolutely zero cases of any neighbourhood, city, or nation remaining even remotely similar after the majority ethnicity was replaced. Do you live in a state/city which is experiencing dramatic demographic changes?”

            Americans are used to change. Change in and of itself is not bad.

            I don’t care about alien cultures “invading.” I care about law and order based on rational laws, and not collectivism. You can make it that simple.

          • Martel

            Then we are on a different level. I recognize that “alien cultures” fracture community cohesion, and end up in ethnic conflict. white Americans are not used to becoming a minority in their own country, which is already completely changing American society. No country has ever undergone such dramatic demographic changes without ending in ethnic conflict, or ending up as something completely different.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            European Socialism is busy destroying Europe and unrolling the welcome mat for Islamists who bring Sharia Law to the unwashed slobs of Europe.

            How satisfying.

          • Martel

            PS: I did not mention this, but your entire argument proves that Jews in fact are guided by their ethnic background, as you claim they respond to allegations against Jews. Naturally, this means ethnicity does mater on a political level. You are only unwilling to apply the same standards to Europeans as to Jews as this would mean also criticizing Jews, a no go. Criticizing Europeans is obviously fine, even when it is unbalanced criticism. This is also the reason political correctness is so effective, Europeans and European Americans are used to such discriminatory analysis. To stop this trend, a more reasonable interpretation of history must be promoted, in which neither side is considered evil, but usually moved by fears and prejudices which are inherent to multi ethnic societies.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “PS: I did not mention this, but your entire argument proves that Jews in fact are guided by their ethnic background, as you claim they respond to allegations against Jews.”

            No, my argument is supportive of the idea that all people have the potential to be influenced by their self-identity.

            “Naturally, this means ethnicity does mater on a political level.”

            Of course it can matter, and it matters on an individual level. It matters potentially matters to anyone.

            “You are only unwilling to apply the same standards to Europeans as to Jews as this would mean also criticizing Jews, a no go.”

            Incorrect. I apply the same standards to everyone as individuals, not forgetting the influences of society and the various factions and influences.

            “Criticizing Europeans is obviously fine, even when it is unbalanced criticism.”

            I don’t even know what you’re talking about. Over time I’ve defended “Europeans” in terms of their natural propensity to identify with “socialist” ideals because they have real world proof of the legacy of rigid political and social classes every time they pass by a royal castle or some other project that is left standing and built during an era that was limited or even blocked social and economic mobility. The objection to “Europeans” is generally limited to their thinking (among many) that America needs socialism because America is “hogging the world’s wealth,” which is asinine.

            To put it more succinctly, I’m an equal opportunity critic of stupidity.

            “This is also the reason political correctness is so effective, Europeans and European Americans are used to such discriminatory analysis. To stop this trend, a more reasonable interpretation of history must be promoted, in which neither side is considered evil, but usually moved by fears and prejudices which are inherent to multi ethnic societies.”

            The left has a simplified and delusional worldview that causes friction when they expect to apply that worldview to real life. You’re doing something similar in opposition. You’re competing with the left rather than trying to correct their stupidity. The world is more complex than they can account for and the same can be said for your worldview.

            Just because you oppose a certain faction doesn’t mean you are not making the same mistakes.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Aren’t you guided by your ethnic background?

            Your education has made you a slave of Socialism and Islamism.

            Eurabia is being overrun by people who don’t want to become Europeans, but make Eurabia an outpost of their homes in the Middle East.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            naz i filth and commies – both Socialists – allies from 1939 to 1941.

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            Actually, Communists are jews and communism is a jewish creation. Please stop trying to change reality and modifying history to suit your need. Thank you.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Actually, Communists are jews and communism is a jewish creation.”

            In the sense that Marx is the prophet of communism? he represents all Jews? Do you even know what collectivism means? You have much in common with the communists.

            “Please stop trying to change reality and modifying history to suit your need.”

            What history did I modify? You didn’t cite any. You just spouted modern anti-Semitic bullshit. You must be straight from stormfront.

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            Aww, poor baby. Let’s see here, every country that has financial problems “happens” to have jews at the center of those problems, but it’s just “coincidence”. Sure. Every problem that gentile countries have always involve jews but its never their fault. Germany had a jewish problem – collapse ensued and the German people suffered again and again. Russia had a jewish problem – genocide and collapse ensued. Ukraine had a jewish problem – genocide and collapse ensued. America has a jewish problem – warmongering, collapse, and probably genocide will also ensue under JEWLAND SECURITY headed by his jewlyness Chertoff. Sure, it’s all coincidence.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            “Let’s see here, every country that has financial problems “happens” to
            have jews at the center of those problems, but it’s just “coincidence”.
            Sure.”

            Like Japan?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Germany LOST WW1 because it was defeated by the Allies.

            national SOCIALIST Germany LOST WW2 because it was defeated by the Allies.

            Fascist Ukraine LOST WW2 because it sided with national SOCIALIST Germany

            The Soviet Union collapsed because Socialism doesn’t work and it couldn’t keep up with the West and the US.

            You are a Moron because your national SOCIALISM has destroyed your ability to think clearly.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            If communism is Jewish, why doesn’t the left support Israel?

            Why do neo-commies and socialists support the paleswinians, islamists?

            YouNeedNakbaNow.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            commies and naz i vermin – both Socialists.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            The communists AND other national socialists(!) want to segregate the Nawzis and the Italian fascists as big meanies totally alien to socialism with the allegedly crucial point that they were clear about their national pride. That’s why we’re allegedly neo-Nawzis. Because pride of nation automatically implies that you’re one small mustache away from turning in to Hitler. That’s neo-Marxism derived from Critical Theory. Because all nationalists are evil. To them.

            The only “true” socialists that apparently support nationalism are merely tolerant of national sovereignty until international socialism and communism are prepared to replace them.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The more national Socialists Pattons army killed, the better the world was.

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            Actually, Hitler is now proven right. He did say Jews are parasites and surprise!!! Israel is sucking the life out of America financially!!! In time all Americans will discover that trillions of their fake debt is all jewish created BS.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Actually, Hitler is now proven right. He did say Jews are parasites and surprise!!! Israel is sucking the life out of America financially!!! In time all Americans will discover that trillions of their fake debt is all jewish created BS.”

            Can you show us with real economic data what the funk you’re talking about? Of course not. Math is too hard to manage for asinine bigots. Yet they find it necessary to refer to finance some times. How inconvenient for you.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            SHlTler? Your furher declared War on the US, four days after Imperialist Japan bombed Pear Harbor.

            I expect you too will SURRENDER, UNCONDITIONALLY as your national SOCIALISTS did in 1945.

        • WeNeedPeaceNow

          Actually, what you see is a beaten people who were once again beaten. First by the jewish parasite, then by the Americans who made a grave mistake. However, as General Patton said, “We Americans fought for the wrong side”. If that great general saw that jews were a plague and the problem of the German people, then you can wake up as well.

          LEARN YOUR REAL HISTORY :

          Patton’s initial impressions of the Jews were not improved when he attended a Jewish religious service at Eisenhower’s insistence. His diary entry for September 17, 1945, reads in part: “This happened to be the feast of Yom Kippur, so they were all collected in a large, wooden building, which they called a synagogue. It behooved General Eisenhower to make a speech to them. We entered the synagogue, which was packed with the greatest stinking bunch of humanity I have ever seen. When we got about halfway up, the head rabbi, who was dressed in a fur hat similar to that worn by Henry VIII of England and in a surplice heavily embroidered and very filthy, came down and met the General . . . The smell was so terrible that I almost fainted and actually about three hours later lost my lunch as the result of remembering it.” These experiences and a great many others firmly convinced Patton that the Jews were an especially unsavory variety of creature and hardly deserving of all the official concern the American government was bestowing on them. Another September diary entry, following a demand from Washington that more German housing be turned over to Jews, summed up his feelings: “Evidently the virus started by Morgenthau and Baruch of a Semitic revenge against all Germans is still working. Harrison (a U.S. State Department official) and his associates indicate that they feel German civilians should be removed from houses for the purpose of housing Displaced Persons. There are two errors in this assumption. First, when we remove an individual German we punish an individual German, while the punishment is — not intended for the individual but for the race.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Who cares if Patton didn’t like Jews.

            Patton killed national Socialist Germans.

            The US bombed the shiite out of national Socialist Germany.

            The remnants of SHlTlers armies fled to the Americans and
            British because they feared their treatment by Stalins armies.

            Socialists afraid of fellow Socialists. WWMS?

      • Habbgun

        Nope…..there were Jews in Communist movements but Jews are individuals and sometimes accept things that are blatantly not Jewish. Communism, Socialism, Fascism are European inventions, coming out of European cultures with European aims. Martel is typical that he substitutes European sense of entitlement and victimhood with real contrition that could reform his continent.
        He is the problem. He won’t admit it.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Eurabia is a lost cause.

          Eurabia is on the verge of WW3.

          The fifith column openly threatens Eurabia with death and destruction – and carries it out.

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            Check out Barbara Spectre on Youtube and you get your answer as to why Europe became Eurabia. Just like America became invaded by so many illegals. Jews played no small role in destroying the immigration systems of both America and Europe just as they played the biggest role in the immigration of Israel which is mainly jew only. The truth can never be suppressed. Jews were and always will be a problem to so many societies. It’s time people face facts that when the entire world hates you and kicks you the heck out over and over again, it’s not them being wrong, IT IS YOU THE JEW.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            But YouTube is owned by the Jews? Why are you sending people there?

            Do you also work for the Jews?

        • Martel

          I am the problem?
          I wish, my influence is quite limited.The Jews in the communist movements often identified strongly with their ethnic background. To claim they are individuals is similar to claiming national socialists did not join because of ethnic politics.

          Are you sincerely not aware of Jewish identity politics in general?

          The Frankfurt school is also an example, they promoted Jewish ethnic interests while subverting white ethnic interests. The authoritarian personality by Adorno is an example.

          Its interesting how easily you consider the European people and their culture as sources of negativity, but seem to sincerely believe that Jews have an immaculate record. Fortunately you do not resort to racial slurs like Screw Socialism does, but you only provide a short paragraph and it contains a personal attack.If you are truly interested in the causes of the jewish-european conflict, such simplistic views are not the answer.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            The Communist movement targeted any separate Jewish identity for criminalization.

            In the USSR, the Jewish Section destroyed synagogues, locked up Rabbis and Hebrew was outlawed.

            The left has no room for Jewish “ethnic interests”.

          • Martel

            I’m quite aware of the later events, but too ignore the Jewish over representation in the earlier communist movement, and even under Stalin who did work to eliminate his ”Jewish competition” is to neglect issues which would shed light on actual causes of anti Semitism. The Jewish leadership in post war Poland, the Bela Kuhn government, the Jews in the CPUSA, and European communist movements in which jews were quite visibly overrepresented. Its little different from blacks or Hispanics picking a political side, its the nature of multi ethnic societies that politics turn into a battlezone for ethnic politics.

            In Poland, only a portion of Jews spoke Polish prior to the second world war. I understand the banning of Hebrew just as I find it both inconvenient and politically unwise for example, the Hispanics in the USA not being able to speak English. Besides synagogues, hundreds of churches were destroyed as well, I see this as a sign of their animosity towards religion in general.

            I don’t see how current theory about anti Semitism holds up to scrunity, nor do I believe this actually aids us in combating prejudice and misunderstandings from both sides.

            Too understand the dynamics of ethnic conflict, is too understand antisemitism.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Jews tend to be overepresented in most fields, including political movements.

            The banning of Hebrew was not about linguistics. The USSR encouraged multicultural language use.

            It was part of an attempt to wipe out Jewish culture specifically.

            “Whoever, directly or indirectly, puts forward the slogan of Jewish “national culture” is (whatever his good intentions may be) an enemy of the proletariat, a supporter of all that is outmoded and connected with caste among the Jewish people; he is an accomplice of the rabbis and the bourgeoisie. On the other hand, those Jewish Marxists who mingle with the Russian, Lithuanian, Ukrainian and other workers in international Marxist organisations, and make their contribution (both in Russian and in Yiddish) towards creating the international culture of the working-class movement—those Jews, despite the separatism of the Bund, uphold the best traditions of Jewry by fighting the slogan of “national culture”.”

            V.I. Lenin

          • Martel

            What do you consider the cause of this over representation?

            I consider the final sentences of Lenin’s statement a positive acknowledgement of the Jews. It surprised me that they encouraged multilingualism on the whole, but I will take your word for it. I think on the whole this supports my notion that they did consider the Jews as competition, which is again a better explanation for ”antisemitism’ than claiming inexplicable hatred.

            The same reason I also see Polish ”antisemitism” aggravated by the Jewish leadership after the second world war. This makes more sense then considering the Polish a people taken in by hatred and irrationality.

            I’m always surprised by the fact that even though feelings of supremacism and acts of bigotry on both sides are thoroughly documented, very few are willing to discuss both sides of the argument. I hope I find the source of this trend, as I do consider it unproductive.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Lenin was championing an international left into which the Jews would be absorbed and vanish.

            http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/crnq/3.htm

            Note also Lenin’s views on Ukraine. There were certain peoples who were meant to be absorbed and others who were meant to remain separate.

            That’s still true of the left today.

            Jewish “ethnic interests” were not represented by Communism.

            Beyond that, I have no interest in your defenses of anti-semitism.

          • David Ashton

            The “ethnic interest” of Marx and Trotsky was to eliminate “ethnic interest”. Many Jews supported revolution in retaliation against discrimination without expecting their ethnic interest to disappear.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Marx and Trotsky didn’t believe in ethnic interest. Marx did not see himself as Jewish and despised Jews. Trotsky was a true believer.

          • David Ashton

            I recommend Andre Gerrits’ “The Myth of Jewish Communism” as a carefully documented account whose detailed information and concise analysis should inform all parties to this sort of debate, but unfortunately will please few of them.

          • Martel

            It has been on my reading list since you recommended it too me, but still waiting to order it. Even though I find Macdonald reasonable, he is controversial, if Gerrits is more successful in finding middle ground I will switch my own recommendation to his book. It remains a difficult and uncomfortable subjects, for gentiles and Jews alike.

          • David Ashton

            One needs to read widely in this (mine)field, and to integrate the better verified facts and opinions, however the cookie crumbles. MacDonald is better on Freud and Boas, in my always evolving judgement, than on Lenin and Co. Jewish apologists have played down the numbers of Jews in the leadership of post-WW1 communist/Social Democrat movements, but anti-Semites have likewise to some extent misread their significance (initially often under the influence of the Protocols).

          • Martel

            My appreciation for Macdonald stems from his insights into the development of conflicts between Europeans and gentiles in several situations. In terms of the numbers of casualties and over representation in political movements I rather err on the side of caution. The problem is knowing where the line is.

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            “The banning of Hebrew was not about linguistics. The USSR encouraged multicultural language use.”

            You know nothing of history. The banning of hebrew and jewish religion was about Russia not allowing a tribal people once again to reign supreme and cause even further genocides and political turmoil. Please stop the lies. Russia bans them to this day so that they don’t go through the same genocides and economic problems all over again.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Glad you’ve decided to embrace Communism.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Communism is a reaction to Biblical values combined with Darwinism and modern, angry atheistic philosophies.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Socialism is “fair” because it enslaves everybody.outside of the inner circle.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Doubleplusgood fair

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            Key word, “seperate” jewish identity. If they didn’t belong to the cult of zionism and communism, they were DOA. Sure, not every jew followed that cult, but far too too many did. Communism never would have made it if not for jewish oligarchs and Russia would not have had so much stolen from them if not for those same oligarchs. Youtube Russia and the jewish oligarchs and you will learn the truth about who destroyed and pilfered Russia. It was all jews that butchered the beautiful Romanov children in cold blood. Jews destroyed and perverted Russian history and butchered millions. The Ukrainians all know too well that it was jews that slaughtered 10 million of their own with the same policies that resulted in rampant hunger and death. Time to bare history and stop the lies. The zionist jewish tribes are jewish. Israel is the epicenter of that problem and the world will not know peace until Israel is defunded by America, Europe, and Britain and is then forced to have peace instead of perpetual wars. Every American politician that dares speak about defending Israel is a traitor to America just like every jew in Russia was a traitor to the Russian people.

          • Habbgun

            Riiigghhht….Europeans have been historically without influence??? It was Jewish influence that forced them to become imperialists?? It was Jewish influence that forced them into World Wars?? There is no Jewish European conflict. There is intra-European wars, there is European imperialist conflicts and European hatred of the US which it undermines through our media and our Universities while utilizing our military for its own aims like in Serbia. Then there is a separate outreach by you to a nation in your midst. You are triangulating as usual.

            I hate the Frankfurt school and other stupidities but they are not Jewish generated. They are individually adopted but the seed is your culture. There were Hebrews who stayed with Pharaoh and forebore the Exodus. So what? I ask for true European contrition for your own good and you reply with accusations and false analogy.

            I ask for a mutually shared vocabulary where we can work on improving ourselves and removing the socialist enemy from our midst and you ask for reparations. You are the same as an Occupier. Same sense of this sucks, you suck…..only the methods are different. You hate us when we are religious and act like authentic Jews, you hate us when we try to get our own sovereignty and leave you to yourselves (which doesn’t make you happy. You just start warring among yourselves and blaming us) and you hate us when we adopt your own ideas. Jews are not immaculate but I deserve better than you. I really, really do.

          • Martel

            I will ignore you naming the standard list of charges against ”uniquely evil European history”, as it is this view of Europe I wish to change. Europeans have succumbed to this negative view of their history, and you ask we blkame ourselves even more?

            I no case do I put single blame on the Jews, I consider it vulgar, unfortunately doing the same to European gentiles is not even considered wrong. Its a shame i have to plow througg personal attacks which make little sense, and are just made because i am a gentile who reasonably tries to alter a unreasonable view of history. If you actually believe anyone hates jews for their traditions, then i advise to listen, not too attack those with differing views, because it does not even come near to a correct analysis. Furthermore, I support Jewish sovereignity, another claim you make which doesn’t fit me at all. I understand the volatility of these issues, but that does not mean there not relevant.

            About the Frankfurt School, this ideology devised a theory in which European gentile culture was the cause of all misery, the Jewish intellectuals also devised a strategy in which all non-europeans were allowed to pursue their ethnic interests. The only group specifically prohibited from doing so were whites. Jewish nationalism, Black Nationalism, Hispanic nationalism, Asian nationalism, little different from today. If you ignore the Jewish element, you simply do not understand the Frankfurt school. Under the wikipedia page of The Authoritarian personality, a quote by Slavoj Zizek demonstrates a more correct analysis of this school of thought. The book itself obviously takes aim at white gentiles, as the FF school considered European culture the basis of fascism.

            The fact that you wish to blame European culture for the FF school without blushing while claiming the Jewish aspect is non existent, and disparaging European culture as you do, in combination with personally attacking me while I do no such thing to you, shows in what positions we are in. In my analysis I see poor behaviour on both sides, the fact that I do this already elicits negative reactions, I should stick to the current narrative of blaming Europeans without even an asterisk, or become subjected to all kinds of accusations.

            Undeniably, my views are closer to the truth then the current discriminatory narrative, harming European interests to the point that I don’t know what the future holds for us, a people unable to defend itself because they feel unworthy of doing so.

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            Does anyone notice the Europe became “evil”, Germany became “evil” and American became “evil” at the same time jewish money lenders took over, jewish media spread propaganda and jewish influence in politics created wars for jewish communism, jewish socialism, and jewish Israel? Gee, wonder what the real problem is? You know why Americans are no longer good towards each other? Because jewish controlled money and consumerism is at the heart of their society instead of American pride of their culture and history. Jewish usury is rampant. Americans are taught through jewish hollywood that hustling, ripping people off, and destroying people’s lives with usury, debt, and financial swindles is cool (eg Wolf of Wallstreet). White boy Leonardo DeCaprio played jew Jon Belafort in that disgusting movie which hollywood jews claimed was the new messiah of American culture when in fact it reflects jewish Bernie Madoff’s lifestyle more than any American. America is pride in the American people and defense of the American people, not Israel. America is redneck country, not Israeli temple mounts. America is the Midwest deserts, not Israeli deserts. America is Texas and not Tel Aviv. America is the Founding Fathers of the US Constitution not Netanyahu’s foreign war policy. America IS NOT JEWISH MONEY SCAMMERS. America is NOT WARS FOR ISRAEL. America is not JEWISH COMMUNISM OR SOCIALISM. The sooner America purges every trace of this vile influence the better off all Americans will be. All those things so many nations have pointed out about jews is founded in fact not fiction. The ultimate proof is when Israeli politicians in American government try and convince Americans that blood and lives given for Israel is somehow blood and lives given for America. IT IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            If Socialism is Jewish, why are Socialists against Israel?

            You sacks of Socialist SHlTler are still upset that your side lost WW2.

          • Habbgun

            Oh weepy, weepy devotchka……how sorry that you now after what you hoped was your grand triumph about how you judge us now cry oh the bigotry. If a set of nations bring two world wars upon other nations they deserve to be judged and judged harshly. All leftist ideas are ultimately European ideas. Maybe Jews took to them but you refused to answer that you prefer the Jew act according to his Mosaic tradition because you absolutely don’t.

            I forgive you because you were honest enough to say you are ineffectual and alone. Truth, any truth is always a good place to start. Given your self-admitted ineffectuality shouldn’t you stop using the name of Charles Martel? I don’t go around calling myself Babe Ruth.

          • Martel

            Because of the sensitivity of these matters, I will not respond in kind(yet) to show you how to properly mock someone. Its quite clear who is the reasonable one, my analysis of Jewish ethnic activism is correct, while you seek to disparage Europeans. In a comment to ”weneedpeacenow’ , who has his own flaws,you claimed he has blood guilt and called him Eurotrash, some of it was quite disturbing, a mixture of racial bigotry and religious fanaticism. I will continue to look for Jews who understand my political views are the only sensible way out from what is surely a difficult future for Jews, as the Arab lobbies have outstrategized them, and their people have outbred them. The black US nationalists have no issue openly disparaging Jews either. The gentile left considers Jews Caucasian, which means they have no issue targeting them. I care little if the likes of you spit on your only possible ally, simply because of these prejudices. Its clear who has a more reasonable and effective message.

          • Habbgun

            .did I hurt your feelings? I didn’t mean to. I’m just bleepin’ with ya. Hate to break the news to you but I’m just sick and tired of everyday antisemitic boilerplate crap. I just have to change the groups it points at. Make the usual charges of guilt and bang a perfect little attack piece for any group anywhere. You no likey……but once you start playing the game you can’t take the ball and go home when you start losing. Think about it. You have way too big of a mouth, an arrogant writing style and way of presenting an argument perfect for a leftist or jihadi or what have you. And as for a possible ally. Who picks an ally they don’t like or respect? I’ll make it if you don’t ally yourself with me. I won’t lose sleep. I do want to dry your tears. It bothers me you are upset. Didn’t mean to get too personal. Happy Face!! :)

          • Martel

            All people have flaws, but we are taught that only white Europeans are guilty of bigotry. No reasonable individual would support such views. You definitely did not hurt my feelings, I find it a shame when I read your discussions with ”weneedpeacenow” that you made some incoherent, strange and disturbing comments about ”blood guilt of Europeans and many other strange comments. I try to find Jews who are intelligent, reasonable and willing to discuss. It does not hurt my feelings to find out when this is not the case, it merely wastes my time. Histrionics, unoriginal mockery, and poorly written arguments do not help me in any way. I do enjoy original mockery, even aimed my way, one should not take himself too seriously.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Eurotrash.

            Bow to your Islamist masters. Maybe they’ll throw you a bone.

          • justquitnow

            I bet you’re sick and tired. I would pay good money to hear you talking about the gentiles when you thought none were listening.

          • Habbgun

            LOLOLOL….the Commie white trash is in full weepy mode…You dumb foul, unknowing turgid little skank. I can do this openly. Do you know why? Because when I have done this in person to the low foul collectivist embarrassment to the human race that is you. I have been thanked by non-Jews. Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, Asian, Jews and non-Jews and even your Islamacists all hate the low collectivist skank. Occupy was your high point. No you deal with the fallout. Trash, skank, primordial ooze. HAHAHAHAH

          • justquitnow

            Yeah, that’s not cultic at all…
            Scary stuff habbgun…I hope you can keep a lid on it.

          • Habbgun

            Oh c’mon….my sad little skanker. There was nothing cultic about it at all. Some random idiot thought he could make points with a girl by starting up with a Jew and got slapped down and people around the slob were sick and tired of him, his left wing politics and his arrogant attitude. Stop pretending this is a class of civilizations and you’re some kind of represenative. You’re an obnoxious skank. A mere isolated accident of birth. No more. No less. You wish you could be part of something cultic.

          • justquitnow

            Scary stuff…

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            “Riiigghhht….Europeans have been historically without influence??? It was Jewish influence that forced them to become imperialists??”

            When Israeli Mossad pulled off 9-11 and then the zionist American media brainwashed American people into believing that a war in Iraq for WMDS is the proper response , then YES, JEWISH CONTROLLED MEDIA AND INFLUENCE IS RESPONSIBLE. This was the zionist Israeli congress plan of “pre-emptive” striking which really was the Military Industrial Complex and Israel’s money making machine. When “American” politicians send American families to die in unjust wars for Israel then yes, they are under the complete Israeli Jewish influence of warmongering. When those same politicians haven’t learned any lessons and follow Netanyahu’s war drum beating to attack Iran, then YES the JEWISH ISRAELI influence is both deadly and toxic.

            The communist movement was created, led by, and run by Jewish oligarchs which drained the country dry at the same time. Sound familiar? It should because that is exactly what is happening to America right now except instead of jewish oligarchs, you have jewish senators and congressmen.

            The blame is where it should be, on a tribal group of zionist jews who are pulling the strings and creating wars where none should exist. The weapons industry and stolen American taxpayer money are Israel’s main staple of survival. By creating wars and butchering millions of people, Israel can always count on its “existential threat” and the support of the AIPAC dual-loyalty Israeli politicians who infest the halls of Washington D.C. The truth is the truth. Why pretend like the wrong people are getting blamed when all fingers point to them and all the money trails lead to them as well. This is getting ridiculous. Everyone but the jews are always to blame. This is so pathetic. Bernie Madoff’s wife blamed the gentile for his crimes on national TV. This is the epitome of the jew. So sick.

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            “Riiigghhht….Europeans have been historically without influence??? It was Jewish influence that forced them to become imperialists??”

            When Israeli Mossad pulled off 9-11 and then the zionist American media brainwashed American people into believing that a war in Iraq for WMDS is the proper response , then YES, JEWISH CONTROLLED MEDIA AND INFLUENCE IS RESPONSIBLE. This was the zionist Israeli congress plan of “pre-emptive” striking which really was the Military Industrial Complex and Israel’s money making machine. When “American” politicians send American families to die in unjust wars for Israel then yes, they are under the complete Israeli Jewish influence of warmongering. When those same politicians haven’t learned any lessons and follow Netanyahu’s war drum beating to attack Iran, then YES the JEWISH ISRAELI influence is both deadly and toxic.

            The communist movement was created, led by, and run by Jewish oligarchs which drained the country dry at the same time. Sound familiar? It should because that is exactly what is happening to America right now except instead of jewish oligarchs, you have jewish senators and congressmen.

            The blame is where it should be, on a tribal group of zionist jews who are pulling the strings and creating wars where none should exist. The weapons industry and stolen American taxpayer money are Israel’s main staple of survival. By creating wars and butchering millions of people, Israel can always count on its “existential threat” and the support of the AIPAC dual-loyalty Israeli politicians who infest the halls of Washington D.C. The truth is the truth. Why pretend like the wrong people are getting blamed when all fingers point to them and all the money trails lead to them as well. This is getting ridiculous. Everyone but the jews are always to blame. This is so pathetic. Bernie Madoff’s wife blamed the gentile for his crimes on national TV. This is the epitome of the jew. So sick.

          • Habbgun

            You are picking and choosing…..a common Eurotrash wannabe strategy. One knows the who the low blood of Europe are by their attitudes and strategy. Deflection is one.

            You still did not answer how many STD’s you have spread throughout the world and the methamphetamine. Maybe you haven’t heard of the different secret services throughout Europe which have done so much in secret to destroy world harmony. YOU HAVE A BLOOD GUILT. THE WORLD MUST PUT YOUR KIND ON TRIAL………LET IT BE SOON….YOUR ODOR CAME THROUGH YOUR POSTING…….THAT SMELL….THAT INBREEDING….ONLY TRUE GUILT CAN MAKE SUCH A STENCH…..JUDGEMENT IS HOPE!!!

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            Upset you did I? Truth hurts? A little? Gee. Look at your little funny rant at the end. Wow. Too funny. Europe will always have a heritage and culture that a slimy cockroach jew like you will never understand and have NO PART OF. No, you can’t make a living off it you parasite. No you can’t create stocks or hedge funds about it you parasite. No, Europe and America have NOTHING IN COMMON WITH ISRAEL OR JEWS. Sorry, the European, American, or for that matter the White Anglo-Saxon culture has nothing to do with the slimy and disgusting culture of Israel or the pathetic jew who can only make a living by either pissing off people or running some scam off them. Why are so many Europeans “antisemitic” ? Because they are smart and recognize the parasite.
            Jew “Art” aka another jew “pissing” off people :
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu3kplBJF6g

          • Habbgun

            Teeheee…you upset me because you are white trash and yet you accuse. Its not like being judged by Hashem. Its being judged by a slob spreading STD ‘s to the other nations. His betters (and I do mean your betters are on every continent). I’m guessing you’re not American. You do realize that your ancestor’s relatives came to America and didn’t tell your ancestor because they didn’t need the odor on a 3 month journey. You are a skank. Nothing more and nothing less.You can’t create stocks or hedge funds because you are obviously quite inbred and rather disposed towards the socialism Europeans of your ilk can only live under. Anyhow, as long as we agree its racial (and for that I’m glad. I like having healthy strands of DNA instead of the corrupted strands of whatever European didn’t have the physical profile to bleed out in two world wars.) Demographics are against you skank. Enjoy your turgid little euro future. Oh and in America we have a saying….three strikes and your out. So no more World Wars. IF you screw up a third time we have to nuke….. bad for you….good for removing the odor your American ancestors escaped from.

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            First off moron, I AM AMERICAN. lol, what? You find it hard to believe that Americans don’t like you jew homos? After all Israel is the #1 destination of homos. lol. hahaha!!!

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/24/tel-aviv-gay-travel-destinations_n_1227888.html

            TEL AVIV, Israel — Tel Aviv has long been a gay paradise, one of the few places in the Middle East where gays feel free to walk hand-in-hand and kiss in public.
            Now, thanks to its balmy climate, vibrant nightlife and a creative government-backed branding campaign, the city has become one of the world’s top gay tourist destinations.

            NO WONDER OUR AMERICAN COUNTRY TURNED LIKE THIS AND HOLLYWOOD IS ALL ABOUT THE ISRAELIS – ERRR I MEAN GAYS. Americans once shunned this behavior until the hollywood jews and their perverse agenda spread this sickness.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec_w7q8YojY

            Another wonderful contribution of the jews to Europe and America. Those wonderful chosen ones spread nothing but abhorrent behavior on top of lying and stealing. Any wonder why so many countries tossed out this plague of a people?

          • Habbgun

            So your ancestor finally found passage on a garbage scow? Big deal. I’m as American as you are….better because I’m not trash…and you….well you…let’s just say you’re finding gay everywhere because you watch the NFL for the tight pants and tattoos. Don’t think I’m falling for your bluff because I think Jews can only get by in NYC. I’ve been all over USA and your kind are just found suckin’ on crack pipes. I’m done with you. Highly amused but done.

        • David Ashton

          “Typical” of whom/what?

          Why should it be so impossible or immoral to suggest that in some historic clashes between Jews and non-Jew from ancient times to the last century that there might have been faults on both sides?

      • WeNeedPeaceNow

        So basically jews destroyed any society they infiltrated. It’s all pretty simple. Name the biggest money scammers in the United States, bet the first one off the top of your head is a jew. Madoff. Name a country where the people don’t want war, but a small lobby of Jews are controlling the congress and want to butcher the people of that nation along with the people of Iran in a war for Israel? Simple, AMERICA. People are realizing that jews are really a problem because they create those problems. People are waking up to the fact that jews are the major players in almost all financial crimes and economic collapses around the world. It is no longer coincidence or antisemitic to point out the truth. Jews can solve the problem easy. Just stop being thieves, butchers, criminals, and instigators of perpetual wars. People don’t hate jews for no reason. In fact, people around the world hate Israel so one has to wonder? Is Israel and their jews wrong or IS THE WORLD WRONG? Anti-semitism is a bogus term used to hide a certain people’s crimes against humanity. Anyone silly enough to believe that “God” chose a certain people to go into a place after 3,000 years and butcher everyone, take their land, and bulldoze over other people’s homes is out of their freakin’ mind.

      • stewball

        You didn’t answer the question. She also asked why throughout history! Well why?

        • Martel

          Ethnic conflict is always the sole reason for these issues, this is why I not only object to the popular historical narrative in which Europeans are, because of mysterious forces, bullying their Jewish minorities throughout the ages, but also to the very concept of “anti-semitism”. All ethnic groups are in continual conflict with other ethnic groups, this particular conflict is no different. The main causes for ethnic conflicts are;

          (1. Evolutionary ethnocentrism: People prefer people who resemble them.
          (2. Biological differences between ethnic groups. Testosterone levels, impulse control, average intelligence, and physique differ, quite obviously, per racial category. This causes differences in certain capabilities, and influences how different ethnicities wish to organize the state they inhabit. When two or more ethnic groups share territory, conflicts will erupt.

          • stewball

            But what about separate people? I never thought of myself as part of an ethnic group. I went to a government school in England. Was never bothered by my jewishness. Got on well with non Jews (better than the Jewish youth of my age). Asfar as I’m concerned I was British and my religion is Jewish. I am now an Israeli/British whose religion is Jewish. So what have I done to be so hated for my religion which I don’t practice in any case. There are disgusting people in all religions and races just as there are good.

          • Martel

            On an individual level these differences do not really matter. Also, not every ethnic group nor every individual
            Is equally ethnocentric. But start fidgeting with demographics, and the trend will be natural segregation, different political preferences, and increasing tensions.

            You have not done anything to be hated for your ethnic or religious background, it is no different then the tensions between ”native sudanese” and the Fulani tribe, or the native Indonesians and the Chinese minorities. Ethnic conflict is natural, and must be understood to avoid escalation. The main issue with Jews is because the diaspora is so widespread, and it members are often influential, they have stirred up tensions in many nations.Most of the time unintentionally, as all ethnic groups in such situations continually react out of ignorance or emotion. This is normal.

            But again, just like I never did anything to be hated as a white male or Dutch citizen by our immigrants, you did nothing either. There are plenty of positive factors which enable European gentiles and Jews to become on equal footing though, and I prefer a resolution which differs from the current damaging consensus, in which European gentiles are harshly dismissed if they want to correct a flawed historical narrative. As a European, its incredibly damaging to my political interests that my history is just considered a combination of ”racism, antisemitism, slavery and bigoted colonialism”. I hope one day the Jewish community will understand these needs, and stop claiming that everyone who wishes to balance the historical accounts ( just like slavery wasn’t a European invention, how many teens known about Muslim slavery, or black American slave owners?) is a ”raging antisemite””, So Europeans can take pride in their history once again, a crucial factor in defending ourselves against internationalist policies.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Sounds like you got Jew on the brain.

            Follow your furhers example and play Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun.

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            YOU haven’t done a thing. Israel has started a massive amount of regional conflicts in the Middle East that might end in WW3. Jews are manipulating governments(AIPAC,IMF,FED RESERVE, IRS), financial markets, and destroying economic world stability because they are a tribal force that takes over and locks others out (eg Hollywood – All studios run by jews). If Jews played by the same rules as everyone else and didn’t use their ill gotten and stolen money to take over industries and lock everyone else out then things would not be so bad. Top that off with Israel destroying the American economy by stealing trillions of American taxpayer dollars and using it to prop us the perpetual Israeli wars and expansionism and you have the icing on the cake. Never mind that AIPAC runs the American government and forces the Israeli wars upon the heads of the American people. Nobody hates jews for no reason. That is downright silly. They see a tribe of jews, in this case, Israel, manipulating America into everlasting deadly wars that cost Americans and Arabs countless lives while the jews of Israel continue to expand their country at a frightening rate. What will the Israelis say when they have butchered every single person in Palestine? What excuse will they use when millions of people no longer exist because that is where it is going to be based on the horrifying change since the jewish colonists first took over. The world is opening their eyes to the butchery of Israel and it is not happy about it. Your sentence PROVES 100% that you DO NOT BELONG IN BRITAIN. You call yourself an “Israeli/British”. Now move along and go to Israel because that apparently is your first choice in what to call yourself. If you can OCCUPY Britain and call yourself an Israeli, then you need figure out what country your allegiance lies with because it obviously isn’t Britain. This is the same problem we Americans have with Israeli jews and that is exactly why they are destroying our nation and stealing our money. It’s like they are brain dead and refuse to see that theft and allegiance to a foreign nation is wrong. You are right, there are disgusting people in all religions and races and they all have one thing in common, they live in one country but claim allegiance to another. No one has to wonder why the fabric of nations falls apart as the jews of Israel are a prime example.

          • stewball

            You can blame bush for American boys dying fighting Muslims not Israel. If USA politicians are capable of being bribed then they are dirty. No American has died for Israel save those killed by terrorists. Obama is making America s wreck of s country all by himself.
            I’ve lived in Israel for 45 years already and I should have said British/Israeli. If I didn’t have kids and grandkids I’d leave to be honest. But I won’t leave my family.
            You exaggerate all the things Israel and/or Jews are able to do in America. Were it all true.then Jews really do have a higher interlect than rest of you lot.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Muslims are at war with EVERYBODY.

            Muslims are at war with fellow Muslims too. Sunni/Shiite bloodbaths.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Israel is responsible for Arabs killing Arabs in Syria, Egypt, Iraq/Iran, WW2?

            Diagnosis: Jew on the brain.

          • Martel

            As you see, there are both gentiles and Jews who overreact to these issues, this is why its such a difficult topic. I believe my angle, which is not shared by the more stereotypical ”antisemites” nor by Jewish ethnic activists, is reasonable, and the only productive way out.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Surrendering to Islamists is reasonable and the Eurabian way.

          • David Ashton

            I do not wish us to chase each other around the websites, but as you recently sent me kind wishes, I would like to comment also personally.

            My state primary school in Chingford, Essex, was near a local synagogue and had a number of Jewish pupils. I had three close friends, one of them Jewish called Raymond, another English called John, later killed in boyhood in a dreadful road accident, and a German called Peter, whose eldest brother died on the Eastern Front and whose likable family were brought to Britain from the French Occupation Zone because of the father’s expertise in military lenses; Peter was initially bullied by some Jewish boys who surrounded him singing “The Germans lost the war!”

            There were many clever Jews at my grammar school in Walthamstow, East London (one of them, for example, is the famous composer Michael Nyman). Some were hard-line communists, notably one called Ron, with whom I had very cordial personal relations despite completely different politics. Stalin’s anti-Jewish activities had not yet sunk in.

            I have never thought it rational or right to hate people because of race or religion. On the other hand, one might have objections to criminal or harmful activities which are supposedly prompted by religion, such as Muslim animal slaughter. No-one can help how they are born. I do not believe in the Torah as the inerrant word of God, but that is not the same as “hating” Judaism. I find the activities of some Jews obnoxious, but do not thereby condemn them all. For some people “anti-Semitism” itself is a sort of religion and impervious to argument. On the other hand, some criticisms of behavior by Jews have some validity, and need to be taken on board, especially by those with an ever-present and comprehensible fear of racial or religious persecution.

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            What other country than Israel is the perfect example of ethnocentrism? A country created by jews for jews only. What other country than Israel has the American politicians under their tight grip that they are willing to send Americans to die for Israel? What other country than Israel has so many hasbara trolls working day and night to infest the internet with pro-war pro-Israeli policies that are 100% opposite of what is good for the American people and the American economy. There is a cultural conflict all right, the American culture is sickened by an Israeli culture of warmongering, theft, and parasitism. Who in their right mind as an American politician would scream out that we Americans “need” to defend Israel like it’s the most important thing in our lives considering our economy is collapsing? Who in their right mind would send American children to die in wars they know 100% are wrong and will only result in further wars and losses for everyone except the Israelis who are the ones starting these wars? Why is it that dual citizen Israeli jews who swear loyalty to Israel are even allowed to even step foot in the halls of Washington D.C. ? These criminals are obviously a grave threat to American interests and security yet they are allowed to become senators, congressmen, and all manners of government officials? What other country would allow this travesty? The only way that this happens is when a country is subverted. No person in their right mind would do these things. The mere fact that Israelis consider themselves Israelis first PROVES 100% that they are not compatible with America and have no place in American political positions. PERIOD. America just like any other country has no place for dual loyalty because it results in nothing other than the destruction of the country that the dual loyalist infest. Pro-Israeli politicians are an infestation in America. They belong in prison and on death row.

      • WeNeedPeaceNow

        Man, you gotta stop being so PC. Jews messed up Europe just like Jews are messing up America. Jews messed up Russia just like Jews messed up Ukraine. Jews messed up the financial sectors in America just like they did in Germany. Jews get involved in other countries politics and divert resources for the benefit of Israel and jews. That is it in a nutshell. The Germans got pissed off at the jewish scum that permeated their society, political, and financial sectors and put their azzes in camps. People get sick of interlopers, trouble makers, and parasites. The mere fact that jews pretend like they didn’t do anything wrong to deserve being put in work camps shows you what a sick mentality they have. They are actually trying to pass the lies that they were completely innocent in the collapse of the German economy just like they are now trying to cover up Israel’s involvement in collapsing the American economy. Israeli Jews and hasbara trolls are such a@@holes. Nobody does anything without a reason. The targeting of jews in Germany was purposeful because they are tribal and destroy whatever country they immigrate to with all sorts of influence and destructive policies they fight to put in place. Usury is 100% jewish. Banking is a corrupt jewish business. Stock markets are jewish frauds. All sorts of “investments” are jewish frauds. Printing worthless paper money is jewish fraud. Jews can’t help themselves because anything that doesn’t actually involve work but can make quick money on the backs of others is the jewish way. AIPAC steals money from the American people by bribing American senators and getting them to fund Israel is a prime example of supreme jewish fraud. Where else but Israel, the land of parasites can you actually see the biggest gathering of slimy parasitic cockroaches who’s entire existence relies solely on theft from Europeans, Americans, and British.

        • Martel

          There are plenty of positive things to be named about Israel and Jews. The majority are simply citizens trying to make the best out of their lives like you and I do. That they are wary of Europeans is understandable, just like European concerns about Jews have proven to be understandable. Jews perhaps have a few more legitimate concerns, given their numbers. You and I would not want to be say, seven percent in a 93% black USA,we would be quite uncomfortable, as our fellow Europeans in SA are currently experiencing. On the other hand, Jewish ethnic activism and loyalty towards foreign nations have always been an issue. But failing to contextualise these issues, and in your case coming across as obsessed. I don’t blame any Jew who fears such views, I would to in their shoes. I also have seen some incredibly harsh and anti-european(as in descent) views from Jewish commentators in this section.

          If you want to convince people, you are doing it all wrong. If you simply want to be hostile to Jews, you are doing it all wrong too. My priority is the safety and sovereignty of all European peoples, not revenge, not hatred, not venting, not vile dreams about harming anyone.

          As I don’t know if you are serious, as someone trying to damage my political views would act similarly, this may be my last reply to you. I hope you reset your priorities if you are serious, this does nothing but marginalize the likes of Macdonald.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Martel, keep bowing to your Islamist masters, paying your jizzya for a pat on the head, spreading no-go area in Eurabia, the rejection of Western values.

            Enjoy your dhimmitude. You have earned it.

            Meanwhile Israel thrives while the Islamist curtain is enveloping Eurabia.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          And then the Jews messed up your garden.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          Sewer clogged again?! Those Jews!!!

          When are we going to deal with “REALITY!” We need a solution that really sticks this time!!

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Europeans messed up Europe – now Eurabia.

          The BBC ain’t run by Jews.

          The Left hates Israel, but loves Socialism, “diversity” and Islamists and terrorists who bomb London transport.

    • Martel

      Before delving into the mythology provided by Screw Socialism, you may want to read my discussions with him.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Which mythology?

        The mythology that your fellow national Socialist filth surrendered, unconditionally to the US, UK and SU?

    • WeNeedPeaceNow

      Neither did I, until I saw that every society that collapsed did so because of Jews that manipulated money, destroyed the country financially, and installed banks that had such high rates and instances of usury that people everywhere suffered. Other than that, the jews are totally innocent. In fact, when the American government was shutting down, 13,000 AIPAC jews went to congress to make sure that while the American people were jobless and their economy was tanking that Israel would actually get MORE MONEY, about 1 billion more, which they got. GEE!!! Wonder why people hate jews and countries full of jews. GEEE!!!! don’t know the answer to that one. Study history and you will find that jews weren’t hated, they got their just deserts because they are tribal and believe that stealing from all manners of people is a-okay. Antisemetism is an excuse to rob, steal, pillage, kill, butcher, destroy, hate, create problems, siphon off entire economies to jewish pocketbooks, and basically piss on the world and cry when people discover you are nothing but a low life thief. If the world is antisemitic, then it’s only because jews are anti-humanity. Stop stealing, stop killing, and stop deceiving the world and crying “antisemitism” when people want revenge for the crimes jews commit against entire nations. Germany didn’t put these people into workcamps for no reason. Really, is that what people believe? The fact that jews crashed the German economy like they are doing to Americans today has nothing to do with the reason people hate jews? REALLY? C’mon now. How does the American government which has destroyed the American economy for Israel defend the idea that it’s good to borrow billions from China and just hand it over to Israel. REALLY!!! and people wonder why Americans are starting to hate jews? Really. Please. stop the lies.

      • Daniel Greenfield

        The Jews invented paragraphs.

        That’s why this courageous man refuses to use them.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          LOL!

    • stewball

      I ask myself the same question

  • justquitnow

    Moreover, picking Blumenthal out of the literally thousands of various people and organizations who Miller cited over the course of his many years of hatemongering is mostly an exercise in selective blame-laying, considering that Miller was far more likely to approvingly cite the works of ostensibly mainstream conservatives. These include such neoconservatives as FrontPage.com editor David Horowitz, a close associate of Ron Radosh’s. In one post, Miller describes Horowitz as ”one of those jewish (sic) neocon ‘new friends’ of the White man who actually throws Whitey journalistic bones from time to time, such as his book ‘Hatin Whitey.’”

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Miller tried to kill Jews. The very people Blumenthal was smearing.

      • justquitnow

        I just read that in another article and realizing you had just omitted it, I thought I would do a copy/paste. You’re welcome, though you must have known.

      • WeNeedPeaceNow

        Does anyone notice that jews are becoming an international problem with their constant wars, death, poverty, financial crimes, usury, illegal banking institutions, the jew run IRS, the jew run Fed Reserve, and jews being caught day after day with all sorts of crimes that rip somebody off? Other than that, they are innocent and people are just “antisemitic” lol Jews better brace themselves when they finally collapse the American dollar cause it ain’t gonna be pretty. All the have to look at is the last time they collapsed a currency, oh yeah, that was in Germany.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          Vote Ron Paul? Right.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            I think this one is supporting Dennis Mahon for POTUS 2016.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            If not his own sock which he nicknamed Adolf and drew a mustache on it in black marker.

  • RESIST

    Absurd coupling of the two political ideologies is a great way to discredit leaders in the American Jewish Community to bolster the NeoCon’s assertion that War is the only way to protect 14 Million Jews from their enemies 1.3 Billion Muslims and 1.9 Billion Christians. Trying to discredit Judge Goldstone, Noam Chomsky, Edwin Black and Norman Finkelstein is a cottage industry for the Leo Strauss clan of Militarism.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      One problem with your argument..

      Muslims are at war with EVERYBODY.

      Muslims kill Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Bahais, Zoroastrians, the wrong kind of Muslim (sunni/shiite/salifi/wahabbi/alawite….) and gays and girls who want an education, who love someone other than the old guy her father pimps her out for.

      • RESIST

        Who have the NeoCons killed in Serbia, Kosovo, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Ukraine?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          Those neo-con militias are out of control. The run our congress and the world!

      • WeNeedPeaceNow

        Yes, they hate us for our “freedumb” That’s what the wonderful war monger George Bush told us… DUUUUHHH we done better listen and go to war and kill 1.5 billion people and DUUUHHHH, we better support Israel by giving them all the American taxpayer money and collapsing the American dollar. DUHHHH!!! Yeah, that’s the answer along with more wars.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “Yes, they hate us for our “freedumb””

          It’s not an inaccurate statement. It’s a simple statement to make it conceivable to those (like you) that are largely ignorant about religious laws.

          They hate us because we are haram and we support freedom of haram activities throughout the world. IOW, freedom from compulsory sharia.

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            a##hole. They hate us cause we are an invading force that occupies their land. How would any American feel if they woke up in the morning and militarized drones were flying over their heads and humvees were roaming around on their streets and military installations were all over the place and soldiers were breaking down their doors day and night accusing them of being terrorists ON THEIR OWN MOTHER******* SOIL?????!!!! Are you nuts? Are you mental? Are you so stupid that the dictionary must now redefine stupid to a whole new level? They don’t hate us for our “freedumb” you moron. They hate us because millions of their people are now dead because of Israel, the Military Industrial Complex, Corporations, and no less than total hegemonic control of their countries by tinpot dictator support to keep the areas destabilized. WE CREATE “TERRORISTS” who are not terrorists because they are on their own freaking soil you moron. If someone did that to us Americans we would all be ARMED TERRORISTS or as the government calls us DOMESTIC TERRORISTS which is their new favorite catchphrase. Go spread your propaganda somewhere else hasbara militant. There is no Al Quaeda or war against terrorism. There is only a war to create terrorism led by Israel and their American military complex counterpart.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Lunatic,

            You’re confusing cause and effect. Of course liars and propagandists can use some sense of urgency and say “look at this war, you must join the jihad.” But they started the war. A very long time ago.

            You and your maniacal “military industrial complex” rants are absurd. Your theories seem plausible because you ignore all of the evidence that reveals how silly your thinking is. You have acute myopia driven by hatred.

            Get professional help.

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            Thanks for proving you are NOT AN AMERICAN and in fact a lunatic ZIONIST/JEW. An American would know that one of the greatest presidents warned us about a permanent ARMS INDUSTRY that is dangerous to our country. President Eisenhower warned us about what would happen when the MIC would take over. The Military Industrial complex and Israel is POISON to us Americans. Being a true American you would know this. Being HASBARA LIKE YOU ARE, you would deny the obvious truth. Our country of America is nothing more now than an Arms producing Wh@re of Israel. Deadlocked in a grip of eternal parasite(Israel) and host(America). You need to stop with your insults you non-American Israeli a@@hole. We Americans are sick of warmongering. Every poll in the United States reflects that. We are sick of sending our children to die for Israel and their messed up wars We are not a country built on war and death like Israel. We are a country that Israel turned into one built on death and war. Take your hasbara and shove it deep where the sun don’t shine.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

          • objectivefactsmatter

            It’s amazing what people can infer from a simple statement made 6 decades ago.

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            Shut up jew. Go back to Israel and take your drivel with you. So far you have proven nothing and constantly whine and rant with your pathetic jihad that nobody believes anymore. There is no such thing as terrorism but the terrorism Israel and America has created BECAUSE OF ISRAEl. Sure, you have a problem with it because Israel butchered over 1 million Palestinians and you jew morons are seeing the end result of Israel’s genocide campaignes : Intense hatred from 1.5 billion Arabs is the result you dummy. The Middle East was our strongest trading partner until Israel and Mossad did 9-11 and got us into that clusterf@ck that was the Iraq war. Now slimy jews in our government are hurting our economy even more by locking out trade with the Middle East and focusing on the weapons trade with Israel. Gee, wonder who profits off of that??? We Americans are wising up jew. Shut your face and go cry in the corner cause Israel is hated by every American that is aware of the eternal parasite. Have a NOT NICE DAY zionist jew. Make sure you die for Israel today.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Shut up jew. Go back to Israel and take your drivel with you. So far you have proven nothing and constantly whine and rant with your pathetic jihad that nobody believes anymore.”

            The KKK rejects the existence of Jihad while Nawzis try to exploit it.

            “There is no such thing as terrorism but the terrorism Israel and America has created BECAUSE OF ISRAEl.”

            You seriously need professional help. Or are you afraid of those “Jew doctors?”

            “We Americans are wising up jew. Shut your face and go cry in the corner cause Israel is hated by every American that is aware of the eternal parasite.”

            In other words, the hardcore KKK is venting its anger at Israel after losing the war with its domestic enemies. Because we all know it’s the Jews fault. Why would Hitler lie?

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “. DUUUUHHH we done better listen and go to war and kill 1.5 billion people and DUUUHHHH, we better support Israel by giving them all the American taxpayer money and collapsing the American dollar.”

          Math so hard. Jew hatred easy.

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            You want to talk Jew hatred, well this maniac really hates jews cause he’s ready to roast every one of them alive in a regional war that could spark WW3. I ain’t got squat on jew hatred compared to Netty boy. The lunatic fringe despot of a country with 300+ ILLEGAL UNDECLARED nuclear warheads aimed at every country in the world for the “samson” option. Here’s what Wile E Coyote of the jewish world had to say not too long ago :

            “Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu pledged at the United Nations on Tuesday to attack Iran himself if Washington won’t do it, and in order to stop what he characterized as an Iranian nuclear weapons program:”

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Israel should have blown up the sites already if the USA won’t do it. It’s actually our responsibility given our past behaviors and promises.

            And you need psychological counseling.

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            Sure, a CUNT-RY of crooked zionist jews with 300+ ILLEGAL UNDECLARED nuclear warheads has the right bomb anyone indiscriminately even though like iraq, THERE ARE NO WMDS. Jews of Israel sure are suicidal. Iran isn’t anyone’s “responsibility” you bonehead, it is a country of people that have every right to develop as a nation like anyone else. If anyone needs psychological counseling, it’s an armchair “warrior” like you because only a moron would talk about bombing Iran and call it your “responsibility”. You and your slimy country of Israel are the TERRORISTS. You are just too much of a criminal to see it. God has “chosen” you alright. Chosen you to go piss off the world and cause WW3. What a wonderful people all you Israeli kooks are with your warmongering. By the way, it’s good that you admit that you are HASBARA and this way intelligent people can see that all you care about is warmongering, profiteering, and continued leeching of the American economy. What did Hitler call you? Oh, the jew, the eternal parasite unable to get along with any culture in the world because you infest it, bankrupt it, and destroy it. Not so wrong, was the man?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Lunatic,

            1) I’m not Israeli

            2) Lots of people from all ethnicity and nationalities agree with me when they have 2 things in common: Acceptance of the legitimacy of non-Muslim sovereignty and acceptance of objective historical records.

            Your rants are the products of ignorance and malice.

            “What did Hitler call you? Oh, the jew, the eternal parasite unable to get along with any culture in the world because you infest it, bankrupt it, and destroy it. Not so wrong, was the man?”

            I’m not a Jew. You are clearly a myopic idiot though.

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            “I’m not a Jew. You are clearly a myopic idiot though.”

            NAHHH, you just spreading hasbara for fun. You just deny and ignore that American politicians sold out to Israel and the Military Industrial Complex even though the money trail in the trillions say otherwise. You are just okie dokie with Israel literally destroying our economy by siphoning hundreds of billions of dollars because you are a patriotic American. We Americans have nothing to fear from people half way around the world as long as we don’t COLONIZE and WARMONGER in their countries you bonehead liar. The only problem in the Middle East is your buddy Netanyahu and his calls for freakin’ Armageddon via nuclear winter. So if you aren’t a jew, why the hasbara? Gee, you seem to have an awful lot of dog in this fight for someone that isn’t a jew. As an American, I DON’T CARE WHO AGREES WITH YOU. WE DO NOT BELONG IN THE MIDDLE EAST COLONIZING THE PLACE MILITARILY AND DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY IN THE PROCESS. Is that too much for your hasbara troll mind to grasp? When a simpleton mayor of New York named DeBlasio says that part of his job as mayor of New York is to defend Israel, WE AMERICANS HAVE A REAL PROBLEM. Even your pea brain can understand that when American politicians in all positions in government pledge their allegiance to foreign nations, there is a big problem…..or is that okie dokie in your book too? Huh hasbara troll? Mr. Not a Jew. lol

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “NAHHH, you just spreading hasbara for fun. You just deny and ignore that American politicians sold out to Israel and the Military Industrial Complex even though the money trail in the trillions say otherwise.”

            You think you know what you’re talking about and you don’t realize how ridiculous you are.

            Most Americans that have a reasonable understanding of the issues in Israel and foreign policy therefore also support Israel. That means elected officials are wise when they support Israel. I suppose they’re also “wise” in different ways when they take money from our enemies (who pose as friends) in the Islamic world and end up stabbing Israel in the back.

            Among those supporters, a few of them are even familiar enough with the politics and the history to know that you are an idiot reacting to agitation propaganda and hate, funded these days mostly by rich Arab Muslim jihad-minded governments for the most part now that the Soviets are gone. The Russians seem to keep a lower profile in that game these days.

            Nonetheless you are clearly aligned with enemies of Western civilization and ironically enemies of the culture you claim to be out to preserve. What could possibly be more idiotic than that?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Even your pea brain can understand that when American politicians in all positions in government pledge their allegiance to foreign nations, there is a big problem.”

            More idiocy from you.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          1.5 billion people will never defeat 6 billion people.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “Trying to discredit Judge Goldstone, Noam Chomsky, Edwin Black and Norman Finkelstein is a cottage industry for the Leo Strauss clan of Militarism.”

      It’s very easy to refute those lunatics. Other lunatics simply don’t listen to evidence and reason.

      • RESIST

        White Phosphorous Bombs are irrefutable. And, those “lunatics” are the best and brightest Jews alive today.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “White Phosphorous Bombs are irrefutable.”

          Irrefutable what? Irrefutable examples used in one-sided mendacious narratives?

          The USA used nuclear weapons in Japan. It is now “irrefutable” that…the USA is evil?

          Go with it. It’s hardly a new narrative.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          White Phosphorous is used as a smoke shield.

          How many people died when you botoxed your flabby azz?

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Calling Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein leaders in the Jewish community is like calling Nicolas Augustin Metoyer a leader in the black community.

      • RESIST

        But Leo Strauss is?

        • Daniel Greenfield

          Does anyone say Leo Strauss is a leader in the Jewish community?

          • RESIST

            Every NeoCon certainly does, especially William Kristol.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Can you cite a quote where Kristol called Strauss a leader in the Jewish community?

          • RESIST

            Please do your own homework. If it wasn’t for Leo Strauss Israel may have never been supported by the USA.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Don’t be so obtuse. Make your point and then own your position.

            Without aircraft carriers, Israel may never have been supported by the USA.

          • RESIST

            Do you think John F. Kennedy supported Israel, or it’s nuclear weapons programs? Before the 1967 War, the USA did not even consider Israel a regional asset or ally.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            This is you not being obtuse?

          • RESIST

            Go worry about the Palestinian Alliance, or celebrate it because now you can Warmonger to your heart’s content.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Is that all you have?

          • RESIST

            No there is more. But I don’t have the copyright to post all of Theodor Herzl’s writings.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            But do you have any more super secret quotes from an anonymous source that you can’t reveal?

          • objectivefactsmatter
          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Warmongering by pro-Islamist Socialists to their utter shame.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            What might have been happening in Egypt that might have made Western powers reevaluate Israel?

            Nope, must be a vast conspiracy.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            JFK’s brother Robert was assassinated by a so called “palestinian” – and he’s still in jail.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            So that’s a ‘no’.

            You have no such quote available and you were lying.

          • RESIST

            Read Kristol’s works for yourself. Have some fresh Hummus.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Still no quote.

            Still a lie.

          • RESIST

            I was told by a confidential source because it is a huge secret society conspiracy that Bill Kristol was Leo Strauss’s handpicked choice to run WS.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            So you admit you lied about the writings and now you’re claiming that a super-mysterious source told you another false claim.

            Good show.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            No supporting evidence?

            Enjoy eating crow.

          • RESIST

            Israel expected to deport accused British Jewish pedophile

            Todros Grynhaus was arrested in Jerusalem in February after fleeing Britain, where he’d been charged with sexual assaults on seven children.

            By Haaretz |Apr 24, 2014 |08:34 PM

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            5 days and no response.

            Hmmm.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Levi Strauss yes.

  • celador2

    I am demoralized at the lack of response the left show to jihadists among us. From Boston bombers to Kenyan-Americans in same sect as the one who murdered shoppers by asking if they were Muslim or not, liberals go ho hum even when they learn in the mall if not Muslim, terrorists shot shoppers. Few care if jihad ethnically cleanses in Nigeria or Syria by Sunni ‘rebels’ Kerry and Hillary like McCain back. Boko Haram is not on any Democrats front burner to monitor.

    Why are liberal so selective in their focus and ignore jihad? Whose side are they on since they are neither neutral nor objective.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      Because all the world’s problems according to neo-Marxism are caused by private enterprise capitalism.

      Things I learn from the left: Sure it’s a problem if that guy kills a bunch of others. And if we can advance the leftist agenda doing something, we will. But the most effective thing we can to so end violence around the globe is to deal with social justice. And the biggest root cause of all world violence is that the 1 percenters are allowed to operate with impunity and exploit everyone. We must solve social justice by fixing our global economic system.

      • WeNeedPeaceNow

        Jews and Israelis don’t believe in capitalism. They believe in the Military industrial complex, creating massive wars in the Middle East to create “terrorists” and “threats”. Then they scream antisemitism and that the Arab world hates them. Then they prop up AIPAC spies in America who then bribe senators to send hundreds of billions of dollars to Israel at the expense of collapsing the American economy. That’s it in a nutshell as to why the American people are waking up to. All this story telling is just a diversion. The 1% are jews. They infest the American government via AIPAC and finance Israel by oppressive jewish imposed taxes upon the American people that does not go anywhere but to Jewish bankers who then send that money to fund Israel and continue to manipulate the media to give all pro-Israel pro-jew point of views. When jews stop this madness then the world will stop hating them. Even American jews like Goldstone, Finklestein, and Chomsky have recognized that perpetual wars for Israel are only leading to further and further world conflicts. Are they wrong? Sure doesn’t look like it cause the world certainly hates Israel and it isn’t for nothing. Americans are jumping on that boat too. The only thing Israel will accomplish is to put Hitler’s book at the #1 best seller spot for the next 50 years.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          Idiot,

          How much money is spent on “socialism” and how much is spent on the military in the USA?

          “The 1% are jews.”

          Bingo. I keep telling you these nuts are neo-Nazis. Neo-Marxism ultimately leads to fascism.

          “Even American jews like Goldstone, Finklestein, and Chomsky have recognized that perpetual wars for Israel are only leading to further and further world conflicts. Are they wrong?”

          Yes. They are indeed bumbling neo-Marxist idiots like you.

          “The only thing Israel will accomplish is to put Hitler’s book at the #1 best seller spot for the next 50 years.”

          Right. Because timelines are so inconvenient. Blame Israel and the Jews for jihad, world suffering and so forth.

          Weak people need scapegoats to blame all of their inadequacies on.

          If the world was fair, I would have ______ and I’d be perfectly happy.

          Sure you would be. Sure.

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            Your laughable response. blah blah blah blah. No facts. No truth. No truth. No truth. Distort reality. Make sure to pretend that people just hate Israeli jews for absolutely no reason other than ahem… antisemitism. Sure, people just hate people for no reason. The world hates Israel for no reason. Sure, slapping tons of European jews and arming them to the teeth to slaughter the local populations and then expand at frightening rates is a-okay. Why? Because DUR DUR DUR GOD TOLD ME IT WAS OK. CAUSE DUR DUR DUR DUR GOD TOLD ME I WAS CHOSEN AND SPECIAL. So special in fact that we Israelis are the #1 producers of predator killer drones. So special that we Israelis had to murder JFK in order to keep our banks in America to enslave the American people to fake jew debt and then steal nuclear material and make over 300 nuclear warheads. Yup, we are chosen people all right. So chosen that we think that dropping a nuclear warhead on 71 million Iranian people is the solution because those 300+ nukes we have still make us feel like we are not “safe” enough. Israel NEEDS enemies. IT NEEDS TO CREATE THEM. The only way to do that is by creating a parasitic circle of death that involves American arms, the fleecing of the American taxpayer, and the perpetual wars in the Middle East to excuse expansionism. But yeah, you keep pretending that Islam is the reason Israel is armed to the teeth and is attacking other countries constantly and purposefully bombing civilians. You keep pretending that this isn’t the same policy the US military has when they bomb weddings and all sorts of social functions because “terrorists” are there who care about our American “freedumb”. Sure, I believe the jewish media garbage being spewed out that 1.5 billion people want to end the world with Islam and a nuclear fire. Sure…and Israel is the holy light to save us all. BS buddy. Pure BS. This is about weapons, money, expansion, and the fleecing of the American taxpayer to benefits Israel and pro-Israeli lobby zionist jews and their foot licking goy cattle.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            You are a delusional lunatic that rants about “truth” without understanding anything about objectivity.

            In short, you’re a blithering idiot.

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah… blah blah blah blah blah.. blah blah blah blah blah.blah blah blah….You are a delusional lunatic…Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah… blah blah blah blah blah.. blah blah blah blah blah.blah blah blah….In short, your’e a blithering idiot.Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah… blah blah blah blah blah.. blah blah blah blah blah.blah blah blah….

            Zionist says what? Defender of international terrorist butchers of innocent people says what? Part of the problem that is leeching American taxdollars into a zionist entity says what?

            The gig is up jewtabulous zionist moron. Americans don’t want to give your terrorist nation of warmongers any more money. No it doesn’t make sense for America to borrow money from China and hand it over to you pigs and vermin. So sorry. the world hates you, your zionist country, and the filth you write trying to defend what amounts to genocide. Now run along and go lock yourself into a bathroom to pleasure yourself at the thought of phosphor bombing innocent civilians for Israel. You know, cause you’re God’s chosen and that gives you the right to butcher people. Also, being chosen means that you can steal billions from the American people and destroy their economy, plunge them into wars they don’t want to be in, and basically rip their country apart like you maniacs did to Germany. People know the truth nation wrecker. 109 European countries that kicked you carpetbaggers throughout history didn’t do it for no reason. Usurers, thieves, criminals, murderers, and psychopaths, – And those are just the good traits you zionist Israelis possess.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Defender of international terrorist butchers of innocent people says what?”

            Your slurs make you a functional hypocrite. By attacking Israel that way, you defend the real “butchers of innocents.” You might as well defend the Nawzi Final Solution. It seems like you want to.

            You probably don’t realize how maniacal your presentation is. You’re either a duped parasite dreaming of Utopia where the state takes care of everything for you – and only the Jews are stopping that – or you were raised in an insane anti-Semitic bubble.

          • WeNeedPeaceNow

            lol, anti-semite BOOO!!! lol hahaha take your anti-schlemite, anti-schmemite, blah blah blah and shove it up your @ss. The jews of Israel are toxic to the American economy, the American people, and have just proven the Germany was right all along to put these suckers in work camps. Worship a parasite much? American paid out wh@res for Israel in congress take money borrowed from China and just hand it over to Israel. Yeah, even the Chinese are looking at each other thinking Americans are the dumbest people on the planet to give a bunch of Israeli slime money that they neither need nor deserve. But good luck living in your world where a collapsed American economy full of starving Americans is a good thing just as long as Israel keeps getting that money.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “The jews of Israel are toxic to the American economy, the American people, and have just proven the Germany was right all along to put these suckers in work camps.”

            Of course. You and the Nawzis knew all along.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Worship a parasite much? American paid out wh@res for Israel in congress take money borrowed from China and just hand it over to Israel.”

            We should just return the Sinai instead but certain America politicians forced another agenda. Now they’re a junior ally protecting our interests in the region as the only constitutional democracy that mirrors our own American values. Unlike you.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “But good luck living in your world where a collapsed American economy full of starving Americans is a good thing just as long as Israel keeps getting that money.”

            Only a blithering idiot could imagine that Israel is a drain on our economy. We get more from them than we give.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The entire world is raped buying overpriced gas from $100 per barrel OPEC oil.

            The US should stop all imports from foreign OPEC oil and go all domestic oil.

            Let Eurabia continue to bow and scrape for overpriced OPEC oil.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            He should change his name to mohammed – like the prophet of satan.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Muhammed is a Jewish name too.

            /sarc

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You mother breast fed you with meth.

    • WeNeedPeaceNow

      At the end of the day, nobody believes this ridiculous “good vs evil and left vs right” paradigm anymore. Jews and Israel are simply robbing the American taxpayer and sending all the money to Israel. Hundreds of billions of dollars that would have prevented the American economy from collapsing is being sent to Israel to prop up eternal wars, land expansion, and global terrorism. All this garbage you are spreading and buying into masks the real problem. ISRAELI JEWS ARE THIEVES AND PARASITES. From land grabs to sucking the American economy dry, they are guilty 100%. No one believes that Israel is a victim anymore. They are bloodsucking thieves who planted their jews into our congress to siphon our hard earned tax dollars into the warmongering meatgrinder that is Israel. All this “jihad” garbage you propagate exists because zionist morons like you support a country that displaces people from their homes and butchers their families. In return these people want revenge and are labeled “terrorists”. Exactly like how JEWS in the American government label anyone a “domestic terrorist” that doesn’t like the jew financial frauds of the IRS, Fed Reserve, Wall Street, and all other financial scamming institutions. Capitalism was destroyed by jews and diverted to fund Israel. That is it in a nutshell. Stop over-philosophizing and pretending that all these “bad guys” are out to get innocent little jews and that Israel and all these AIPAC pro-Israel bribed senators who continue the endless wars are all innocent. Stop bombing people, butchering their families, and destroying the world financially and in turn those people won’t seek revenge. They aren’t “terrorists” for nothing. Nobody is willing to kill you and die trying because their God tells them so, that is utter garbage. Israel has butchered millions and displaced millions of people and continues to expand while butchering even more people. The Arab world wants Israel destroyed because it has expanded to epic proportions while genociding people to do it. Anyone in their right mind would want to stop this madness. If 1.5 billion muslims were truly all terrorists like your little mind tells you then there is no way the world would be around today as they certainly would have destroyed it long ago. The only country destroying anything and waging war is Israel. The same country that believes that the only way to stop Iran from acquiring more non-existant WMDS like Iraq is for another genocide, this time the death of 71 million Iranians by nuclear strikes. Israel, a country of 300+ illegal undeclared nuclear weapons and blessed by “God”, right? You crazy zionist fundy.

      • Martel

        Your rants are a great way to discredit serious issues. The fact that you come across as unhinged by jumping topics, using pejoratives, and ”shouting” also helps to verify stereotypes of ”antisemites”.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          It would be a shame to verify stereotypes of stereotypers.

          • Martel

            Its not contestable that many influential Jews engaged in ethnic activism, and do so to this day, this is well documented, but unlike discussing ethnic activism amongst gentile Europeans, who are continually subjected to harsh criticism, even my reasonable and balanced criticism is considered ”sinful’ in the eyes of those with a strong Jewish identity and Europeans with a poor self image. The ”mythical and inexplicable” theory of antisemitism by many prominent Jews, or the outright discriminatory theories of the Frankfurt school which are common today(only Europeans are antisemites, and nothing redeems their ”evil history”) are no longer holding up. Every ethnic group shows certain patterns of behaviour, it shows certain political tendencies, and in this, they sometimes clash with the interests of other populations. To deny this is to be an acolyte for those who sell mass immigration and multiculturalism. To deny that Jewish movements have not been traditionally the main activists behind immigration reform, pushing trough the 1965 act, to feign ignorance about antisemitism in Hungary after the Bela Kuhn government, to not understand isolationist American gentiles after the Des Moines speech by Lindbergh and the aftermath, or the antisemitism in Brittain after WW 2 when Jewish Brits supported rebellion in Palestine, is to be not only ignorant of reality, but to perpetuate an image of Europeans as merely sinful, bigoted creatures, as we are taught from elementary school onwards. It is no wonder we don’t dare to defend a people and culture with such a ‘revolting history”.

            As you may have noticed, despite numerous personal insults in this comment section, and some outright biggotry from several Jewish posters, I have no issue understanding the emotions involved on both sides, and I will certainly not paint all Jews with the same brush. Horowitz surely has his short comings, but were would we be today without his contributions?

            Same goes for many others, Mark Levin, and one of my favorites, Ezra Levant, for his praiseworthy defiance of free speech restrictions.None of this however, has given us a more balanced account of Jewish-European relationships. This is just as crucial as balancing accounts on say, slavery, where most Westerners still believe this was a purely European phenomenon due to years of media bias.I will never accept allowing European history to be unjustly tarnished, as I understand the political consequences, I will however continue to extent my hand to those who will take it, if not, most gentiles I meet are open to a less frantic and biased account of history. I do hope I meet more Jews who are willing to be reasonable, as many political forces are moving against us both, this would certainly be mutually beneficial in the future.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            It is not contestable that Jews have a nationalistic right and a universalist left, just like every European country does.

            If you stopped fixating on Jews as a single undifferentiated mass, which is as ridiculous as viewing the French that way, it might be possible to have an intelligent conversation.

          • Martel

            Instead of accusing me, you could actually read these issues from a critical point of view, you would see that my claims are not only substantiated, but very important. To claim Europeans got into conflict with Jews time and time again, across nations, across centuries time, without the jews contributing to tensions is a statement which cannot be taken seriously. The damage this discriminatory and obviously false view does to European sovereignty is saddening to watch and something no patriotic European will stand for in the coming years.

            I hope Jews will understand that defending this obviously wrong view, will contribute to tensions, while recognising that Europeans are in fact not ”evil”, but that ethnic conflict is natural where different ethnicities occupy the same territories, will allow such Europeans to recognise Jews as valuable allies. I truly wonder if you ever read an opposing view, such as the works of Kevin Macdonald, without thinking what a ‘antisemitic” act it is to question modern orthodoxy. Jews will surely also have less irrational fears over Europeans suddenly turning into anti Jewish bigots if they understand the processes which has led to this situation.

            The French have little influence outside of their own nation, but when needed, I will criticize them equally. Could you provide me equal evidence of French Americans, French Dutchmen, French Hungarians, French Englishmen showing split loyalties?

            Ethnic conflict is natural, Jews are special because of two reasons:

            1. Work ethic and high average intelligence.
            2. The international charachter of the Jewish community, which has lead to many well documented conflicts.

            You can claim that Jews were not a significant, if not the only force behind immigration reform before 1965, you can claim that the vilification of white Americans and Europeans in a largely Jewish owned media will not, for legitimate or illegitimate reasons be connected to Jewish ethnic activism, but you are simply trying to deny the undeniable. The day Jews in general( or a relevant organisation like the Horowitz Foundation, even though I believe he would lose quite a few Jewish sponsors if he did) stop reacting in stereotypic fashion to criticism which is in nature no different from criticism of gentile Europeans, then increasingly, Europeans will stop supporting the Jewish communities. And rightly so, relationships should be mutually beneficial. I have spend endless hours defending Israel, even when in college, not helpful for my popularity I may add, though i recoved well, but will stop doing so until Jews and European gentiles can be equal partners.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            I’ve seen these arguments before and I find them underwhelming. If you want to blame Jews for the conflicts of the past, go for it. Everyone is entitled to their own history.

            My interest is in potential alliances in the present.

            European sovereignty wasn’t undermined by anti-semitism however. It was undermined by European internationalism which was championed, quite often, by anti-semites.

            The vast Jewish conspiracy you envision would have gone nowhere without it. The Jewish intellectuals of the left would have been meaningless without the context of the left.

            It would do European nationalists little good to pretend that their problems are the result of the Jews. Their problems came from within. As do the problems of the Jews. And of every group.

          • Martel

            I do not have my own history, I correct a obviously wrong history. To put single blame on the Europeans in each conflict, clearly contradicted by the historical record, is as false as the current view on the crusades which Robert Spencer is trying to correct. Spencer does not have his ”own” history when it comes to the crusades and many other issues, he is simply correct, at the very least closer to reality then those defending the status quo. You apparantly have no interest in the fact that this false history damages the self image and confidence of Europeans. If hypothetically, the general consensus was that Jews caused every conflict with ”the innocent gentile” , then I would understand how this would damage Jews politically, and I would not stand for this. I know this as I have done so for years for Israel, no longer obviously, as I find this one sided relationship immoral. The lack of empathy for the damage this does to Europeans is incredible to witness.

            Its not simply about history either, the most effective organisations championing internationalism, and the RINO financiers, are often Jewish. In fact, the immigration act of 1965 was largely a product of Jewish activism. These are actual causes of European ”antisemitism”, instead of claiming European people are simply bigoted creatures. Antisemites also point to organisations such as the SPLC and largely Jewish owned and or run media networks.

            The importance of this also comes from the fact that people don’t understand that building a multi ethnic society is a risky undertaking. Either how, it is clear you have no interest in aiding Europeans to have a normalized view about their history, instead allowing them to wallow in shame until their countries are overwhelmed by the ”joys of diversity’, nor do you have any interest in understanding actual causes of antisemitism. Which is fine, I believe I know where you stand now. My main goal is to wake up gentile Europeans on both sides of the Atlantic, if Jewish run organisations would support this, it would definitely be welcomed, but it is not a requirement.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            There are historical facts and historical perspectives.

            You want European empowerment by demonizing Jews. That’s your business. But it’s unserious of you to expect even most Europeans to play along with a thousand years of revisionist history.

            Your argument is a strawman and a false choice. Your source is a man who believes Jews are genetically programmed to war with ‘white people’.

            If you really care about European confidence and image, you might want to seek for actual pride, instead of trying to become a member of the victim’s club.

          • Martel

            I have no intention of demonizing jews. Its a shame you are unable to look past these preconceived notions, It is the reason you are stuck with a narrative with not only discriminates, but is obviously wrong. I can’t even imagine blaming all past injustices between Jews and Gentile Europeans on the shoulders of the Jews. This would be demonization, and is exactly what you do.

            Are you saying Christians do not deserve to have the crusades restored in honour?

            Are you saying that Jews should not be freed from the lies told about them?

            Are you saying that Europeans should be known as the only people who engaged in slavetrading through Hollywood and leftist run education?

            Are you suddenly oblivious of historical falsehoods?

            It is clear that you wish to further a narrative which discriminates against Europeans. This is immoral but your right, may you one day see the obvious consequences of such falsehoods.

            According to Daniel Greenfield, all Jewish-European Gentile conflict, up until today, are the sole responsibility of the Europeans, the Jews, simply victims, incapable of wrong doing.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Your entire argument is about justifying anti-semitism while citing a man who claims Jews are genetically programmed to destroy countries… and then you claim that you “have no intention of demonizing Jews.”

            It’s based around a false choice that conflates Europeans and anti-semitism which suggests you’re less interested in defending Europe than in defending anti-semitism.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Eurabians have been brainwashed to accept false “mulit-culturalism” and false “diversity” which puts the needs of invaders from Islamist entities above those of those formerly known as Europeans.

            This brainwashing comes from the BBC, Der Guardian.

          • Martel

            If Macdonald made such a claim, I would condemn it, although I assume you mean he proposes that ethnic identity with all groups, not simply Jews, creates a political identity which may clash with other ethnic groups.

            There is no false choice, if so it deserves a better argument. I would probably stop discussing Jewish issues the day one or two relevant Jewish leaders would say the following is reasonable instead of accusing its defenders:

            1. Both parties made mistakes, to recognise this is not to excuse the atrocities committed when the situation escalated, simply a recognition that both Jews and gentiles had legitimate concerns and were biased by prejudices.

            This is all I ask for. I understand that many Jews fear or are annoyed by the classic ” Jews run the world, everyone who disagrees is a Jew” type, so I try to be patient, but I don’t see how I am in the wrong here.

          • Martel

            PS: I never treat Jews as a undifferentiated mass on political matters, though its rare to see support of gentile nationalism, but even more rare to see a nuanced view of the European-Jewish ethnic conflicts, though they do exist. I have no hatred for Jews, I simply recognise that too many factors which caused earlier issues still exist. The works of Kevin Macdonald are a must read for its source material, and I believe also for the even handed treatment of these issues. Specifically The Culture of Critique and Separation and its Discontents.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            You claim to have a nuanced view of Jews while citing a man who claims that Jews are genetically programmed to run the world as an even handed source.

            Pardon me if I remain skeptical.

          • Martel

            I never read such claims in his books. Did you?
            In reality he is quite balanced, he narrates how ”antisemites” often made up false claims about Jews, which I agree with, or over or underestimate statistics to suit their narrative. Jews have done the same obviously.He demonstrates how both Jews and gentiles had legitimate and illegitimate concerns in conflicts throughout the centuries.

            A more radical view is espoused by those of the Frankfurt school, in which Jewish ethnic activists claimed antisemitism was simply caused by Europeans, who according to the FF school, are pretty much the source of worldwide misery today. An accurate description of what us Europeans learn about our history and role in the world today. Many other groups hold on to a similar explanation, and even critical readings of men like Freud gives us insight in Jewish bigotry, something which may not be discussed.

            In actuality, I rarely come across Jews, but to a lesser degree also gentiles, who have a more nuanced view of these conflicts. You certainly don’t, the fact that I claim that you can find moral and strategic errors on both sides of these conflicts, is not well met, to say the least. Is this nuanced?

            I intend to combat this obviously false history, and I would rejoice if one day Jews, would not sling racial slurs at me as below, or attack me personally, but understand that this view is much more reasonable then a view which demonises European gentiles, which harms us greatly. I have no intention of demonizing myself, and I am careful with the sources I use. My interest is not in vilifying Jews, but to do justice to European history and therefore, a European future.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            You keep insisting that no one is allowed to talk bad about the Jews… and yet here you are.

            It’s a paradox.

            Reminds me of when lefties claimed during the Bush era that no one was allowed to criticize the government. And yet they did it.

            You complain about having insults tossed at you by Jews, which might be regrettable, if your whole agenda wasn’t tossing something rather nastier than mere slurs at them under the guise of nuance.

            Frankly I prefer honest bigotry to nuanced bigotry. It’s at least open instead of this feeble effort to establish the legitimacy of anti-semitism.

            Under all the faux politeness, your actual argument is largely indistinguishable from our ranting friend upstairs. The difference is not in substance, but in style.

          • Martel

            You are clearly incapable of having an actual debate with me. You claim I throw around “something nastier” but are incapable of explaining what. You claim my politeness is pretence, which cannot be substantiated at all, as my politeness stems from my personality as well as understanding the gravity of these issues.

            I hope to find individuals who do not believe that Europeans are not merely “irrational antisemites” and that both Jews and Gentiles were flawed in the many conflicts they shared. This is substantiated by plenty of evidence, but simply for holding Jews to the same standards, in the most nuanced fashion possible, as I understand these issues may be hurtful or upsetting, I am simply attacked personally.

            The fact that you are unable to discuss, even though I am nuanced, my question is simply a question of more balance, allows me to claim victory. Over a Shillman Journalism Fellow, impressive. This will encourage me to refine my arguments, and convince many more gentiles and Jews who can see the current narrative, is as wrong as notions such as “only whites can be racist” or the “crusades were imperialistic in origin”.

            How can I be a bigot, when its not you, but me who applies similar standards to both Jews and European gentiles, that its not you, but me who says:

            Both are human, both make mistakes, this is not a reason to hate either party, but it is a reason to rehabilitate the one party which is obviously smeared without justification.

            Winston Churchill, who say these issues little different then I, would hold up a V, for victory.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Your argument consists of conflating Europeans and anti-semitism and then arguing that the only way to redeem Europe is to legitimize anti-semitism.

            It’s a rather silly approach, but tested nicely in neo-nazi focus groups I assume.

            It’s nice for you that you’re unilaterally declaring victory in an internet debate that consists of you repeating the same argument while refusing to respond to anything outside your worldview.

            By the time the demographics tilt toward Islam, your final victory will be at hand as a majority will share your view of Jews.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            I do expect another race war in Eurabia.

            It’s inevitable.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxm1mqbgxcM

          • Martel

            Great, now I am a ”neo-nazi”. Less then a week ago I was called a ”shill for the Jews”, its clear both sides are equally irrational and unable to provide me with a proper debate. Even a shillman journalism fellow, someone I suspected would be more reasonable, is only able to call me names and make humorous assumptions about me.

            How cannot I not claim victory, when all you are able to do is claim I do not respond to an argument, which I did, and make all kinds of claims about my personality. I have not defended anything immoral, I state that it is impossible, and contrary to historical records that only European gentiles engaged in prejudice and ethnic activism, instead, both groups did.

            If someone could present me with a rational argument why this is immoral, or how I do not take certain sensitive issues seriously enough, I would gladly listen. I have no interest in being insulted, upsetting Jewish individuals, but its undeniable that European/European Americans have a terrible image of their history, most do not even know Africans sold slaves to Europeans, the existence of African slaveholders in the US, or

            This one sided image damages Europeans. Instead of making assumptions about me, why not see if I reach the same goal in other ways?

            I will do this regardless, as I, and many other Europeans are sick to death that Europeans are always associated with ”racism and bigotry” because of a false view of history.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Both sides are not equally anything. It’s another false narrative that you’re pushing.

            Stop playing the victim.

          • Martel

            Another empty response. Its not a false narrative, it is both logical, moral, and factual.

            Why is me judging Jews by the same standards as European gentiles wrong?

            Take Hungary, in 1919, a nearly fully Jewish government took hold of the country. Now when Hungarians are “antisemitic”, I can point to this fact
            for one reason why there are tensions between Hungarians and Jews. This does not mean I condone anything which is clearly immoral, but I make a more sensible case then simply claiming “The Hungarians are just a bunch of European anti-semites”.

            There are also more typical examples. The fact that Jews have historically been an international community, meaning they had political, commercial and social networks across borders, meant their interests were often opposed to those of the local gentiles. This is a reason for the anti-jewish
            riots in post-ww2 Brittain, as British Jews financially supported Jewish movements in Israel, many gentile British citizen believed they had conflicting interests, which is correct.

            How are these not more credible reasons for disturbances between Jews and gentiles, then simply calling someone an “antisemite”?

            Do I condone anything horrible which came out of such situations?

            Obviously not. Nothing I say or have said is immoral, if you disagree, you have to demonstrate how. I will never promote anything claiming Jews are an immoral people, but the current narrative does claim the Europeans are an immoral people. This bothers me, and I correctly interpret it as damaging.

          • Martel

            Its quite funny how often on the same days, I am both debating someone calling me a ”Jew or Zionist” and someone calling me a ”antisemite” on the same time. Its clear the debate has not been rational, and this is the cause of these paradoxal statements, for my claims are reasonable beyond a doubt, as it is something I strive for.

            I only state that like the false history of the crusades or slavery, the irrational view on antisemitism has ensured that European nationalism and patriotism is solely associated with negative issues. This must change. About Jews I simply state that they like all other peoples tend to have a greater loyalty to their own group, especially in times when they feel intimidated by the gentile minority. This does not make anyone inferior, simply human.

            How this claim makes me an ”antisemite”, I don’t understand.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “I never treat Jews as a undifferentiated mass on political matters, though its rare to see support of gentile nationalism…”

            Gentile nationalism is something delusional that you and others came up with. There are many gentile nations.

            America is different. It’s based on ideals rather than ethnicity. What you object to (the truth behind what you have problems with) is actually the Marxist attack on nationalism. It’s not that any particular gentile group has been denied the opportunity to form a nation but rather that leftists have attacked every successful nation that supports free market capitalism.

            Non-leftist Jews are actually under more intense attack than white Europeans. Wake up and look at the bigger picture. You’re not a victim because of your ethnicity. You’re being targeted for resisting the left.

          • Martel

            Not really, Jews can always claim antisemitism. Europeans are the scapegoat for all problems in the world, from poverty, the very existence of racism (thanks Frankfurt school), the racial achievement gap, ghettos, the failure of Africa, every conflict with Jews was 100 percent caused by European gentiles, pollution, unequal wages, you name it.

            Name one thing just as relevant which is not blamed on whites but on jews often?

            Its extremely common to only claim whites can be racist. Also, its easy to see that Jews often get a pass, where whites lose their job over ”controversial” issues. Its absurd and somewhat immoral to not recognise that whites are literally the scapegoat of the modern world, but again proves white ethnic activism is a must.

            About America as a nation of ideals, its a nation of European ideals, and it is dying in front of your eyes. Miami will have an Hispanic mayor for the rest of your life, as it has had for decades, perhaps with one or two exceptions, and America will never be the same again. Those ideals were based on lack of information about genetic differences and cultural constraints, although I don’t believe that the Founding Fathers ever expected America no longer to be a white nation.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Europeans are the scapegoat for all problems in the world, from poverty, the very existence of racism (thanks Frankfurt school)”

            You’re simply deceived by them as you loathe them. Neo-Marxists target anything short of communism. They target non-leftist Jews as a class, non-leftist Europeans as a class, non-leftist Africans as a class and so forth. Anyone in opposition to “radical remedies” would be an oppressor. And by dividing up all of the policital identity groups it’s always easy to find an alleged victim to a corresponding oppressed group.

            Jews (on the left) are the victims of Europeans. Europeans are victims of the capitalists (Jews). Get it?

          • Martel

            As long as you claim Jews are targeted similarly to white gentiles, it is difficult to see any truth in your recommendations. Only Europeans are constantly portrayed as racists, antisemites, the inventors of slavery, imperialism, colonialism, etcetera. A Jew is somewhat shielded by minority rights.

            Imagine if all the things said on TV about whites were said about Jews,horrible.

            This also doesn’t erase all the evidence which you would expect to find when researching ethnic conflict, namely that both sides erred. Which is all I am saying, for this Daniel is forced to resort to personal insults, which is humorous, given that he actually is in a position of influence.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “As long as you claim Jews are targeted similarly to white gentiles, it is difficult to see any truth in your recommendations. Only Europeans are constantly portrayed as racists, antisemites, the inventors of slavery, imperialism, colonialism, etcetera. A Jew is somewhat shielded by minority rights.”

            They are targeted and have different tools to defend themselves. That means they’re not targeted? Are you able to think objectively about this at all?

            “Imagine if all the things said on TV about whites were said about Jews,horrible.”

            It is politically and somewhat socially acceptable to openly attack white culture. No doubt. You can’t openly attack Jews. But people still do attack them.

            “This also doesn’t erase all the evidence which you would expect to find when researching ethnic conflict, namely that both sides erred.”

            Of course you find human imperfections everywhere. Discussing them objectively is usually constructive.

            “Which is all I am saying, for this Daniel is forced to resort to personal insults, which is humorous, given that he actually is in a position of influence.”

            I don’t know that he’s “forced” but using sarcasm or humor is some times the result when people have already explained many times over. It’s not like you don’t have anyone else to talk to. He’s the author and it’s not his job to address every single argument as often as someone wants to come and repeat it.

          • Martel

            In this light I can understand your previous comment, as its quite common to attack the GOP for being ”too white” or derisively label conservatives ” a bunch of old white guys”. The White Privilege Conference was held this year again, Ramzpaul on YouTube acted out actual quotes said by the speakers.

            About Mr.Greenfield, I understand he has little time, and that this is a subject which would make anyone nervous, but both my approach and my objectives are reasonable, hence I would like to see a comment without him aiming at my character. There is no need for this, if I was easily influenced I can see how I would be frustrated and hardened in my views about Jews, but obviously I won’t be.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Hang around and get to know the people, and we can get to know you better. That’s not a promise of future agreement but it is a promise that I’ll try to remain objective.

          • Martel

            I appreciate it, I believe my concerns are valid, but I also know others have valid concerns about these issues as well. I will continue to seek middle ground, and getting feedback from good discussions certainly help me do so.

            Though I am called an ”antisemite”, I hear other pejoratives from those who dislike that I support Pamela Geller, Mark Levin, Horowitz and many other Jews who have done a tremendous job in fighting the left. Naturally this does not mean I agree on all levels with them, but courage and integrity must be respected by anyone.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            The leftists arguing white privilege aren’t exempting Jews.

            “Imagine if all the things said on TV about whites were said about Jews,horrible.”

            You must not watch much TV.

          • Martel

            I do. Its quite common for democrats to claim the GOP is too white. Universities even openly claim universities are ”too white”. I never heard a university president talk about ”Jew privilege” or wanting his university to become ” less Jewish”.

            Jews are slighted sometimes, but it remains a fringe issue, Israel is often attacked though, but this is not the same thing.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Making a university less white also means making it less Jewish.

          • Martel

            Did you enquire?
            Perhaps Jews fall victim as part of a package deal, something I doubt, but if he had said Jews instead of whites, his career would be over today. That is not a bad thing, but his career should be over now as well.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Oh dear. Personal insults.

            As opposed to group insults.

            Sniff.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Name one thing just as relevant which is not blamed on whites but on jews often?”

            What you don’t understand is that Stalin had to demonize Hitler. As it played out, the Holocaust became a big tool for many factions. You can hate Jews and denounce the Holocaust by using stealth attacks against today’s Jews. The Holocaust Jews were victims. Israelis, bankers, media moguls, those are the “bad Jews.” But don’t be so blatant about your anti-Semitism because you might become associated with the Nawzis, who were demonized by the Soviets (not to say that others didn’t.)

            “Its extremely common to only claim whites can be racist.”

            Critical Race Theory. But they’re not exempting Jews. It’s an attack on capitalism and anything short of communism. It’s not really an attack on whiteness. It’s an attack on resistance to their radical agenda. You’re getting played. They’ve got you participating in a race war, which “proves” the innate problems with “capitalism” according to them.

            For example, when people attack “Jewish bankers,” nobody uses Critical Race Theory to defend them as “oppressed by whites.”

          • David Ashton

            Jewish nationalism in principle seems no worse or better than non-Jewish nationalisms. Problems have arisen in practice because of friction between Jewish inter-nationalism and non-Jewish nations in Europe, and later between a Jewish nation and non-Jewish nations in the Middle East. Personally I have little sympathy with Marxist attacks on nationhood or freedom, whether Jews are among the attackers or the attacked.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Agreed. These are battles of ideology. Some times people organize around ethnicity but ethnicity is not the driving factor that leads to culture clash.

            These are civilization clashes.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The BBC is the cause of your problems.

            And you know who controls the BBC? The British.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Eurabia didn’t want Jews.

            Now Eurabia has tens of millions of Muslims, No-Go areas, rape gangs, transport bombings.

            Priceless.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            American slavery was make possible by Muslims capturing Africans and selling them to Europeans.

            Slavery continues to this day in Sudan and Mauritania – and Eurabia.

    • WeNeedPeaceNow

      By the way, America is not the world police and our forefathers told us to mind our own business. Had we done that, there would have been no wars to define us Americans as warmongering psychos. 1 million Iraqis who did nothing to us would still be alive. Let other countries handle their problems and butt out. Now Americans have fought a dozen wars for Israel. How is that working out for our economy? That and sending those parasites hundreds of billions of dollars. Good, yeah? Borrow money from China and just hand it over to Israel by the billions, right? Fiscal responsibility, right?

  • WeNeedPeaceNow

    If Israel doesn’t stops leeching off the American taxpayer, then they can expect just about every American to go kill a jew once the American economy collapses because of them. Really??? hundreds of billions of dollars sent to Israel to wage Middle Eastern wars while the American economy collapses? Who in their right mind would send money to Israel while the American economy collapses? OH YEAH!!! Jew run AIPAC bribed senators and pro-Israel senators infesting the American government. As long as Israel continues to destroy America economically, it can expect a day when every American will kill a jew as payback for supporting Israel over America and collapsing the American dollar because all the money meant to help Americans went to Israel instead. This is common sense folks. If American senators keep sending hundreds of billions to Israel by destroying the American economy, it will force Americans to come to the conclusion that Hitler’s Germany was actually the victim of the same type of jewish theft and financial collapse as America is today. The solutions for jews and Israel is simple. STOP STEALING FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND WAGING WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND STEALING THEIR LANDS AS WELL. But we all know, the jewish parasite simply can’t do that. AIPAC is was created to suck the lifeblood from the American people and will not stop until the dollar completely collapses.

  • WeNeedPeaceNow

    Time for everyone to learn the truth. Learn real history and stop being afraid.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mlw2mlf35Y

    • Daniel Greenfield

      But if the truth is on YouTube and Jews run Google, doesn’t that mean it must be a lie?

      • WeNeedPeaceNow

        Give it a little bit of time, the videos depicting real history not the false narratives to protect the “chosen ones” always somehow get taken down if they get a little too “antisemitic” – BS word for “zionist hands caught in the cookie jar” What a load of garbage, chosen ones. Who the f@ck do these a@@holes think they are to proclaim themselves better than everyone else and chosen by God considering their country is one messed up pile of nuclear weapons, genocide, and thieving rat faced international terrorists. God certainly didn’t choose these lowlifes, but there is another fellow way south of the border of God’s neighborhood that certainly did.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          “Who the f@ck do these a@@holes think they are to proclaim themselves better than everyone else and chosen by God”

          Sure.

          I mean you’re obviously G-d’s choice.

          • Martel

            Shame you spend so much time on him, instead of having a real discussion with me. There are also Jewish posters on here who say dreadful things about Europeans, but I do not allow them to waste precious time.

            I understand some overly obsessed ”antisemites” for two reasons, one is the complexity of the problems they see, Jews may indeed seem omni present, another is the fact that whole (exceptionally biased) criticism of European gentiles cannot be avoided in life, even gentle criticism of Jews such as mine is often met with harsh replies. Obviously for a few, their ”antisemitism” is simply a front for personal issues, or a mixture of both.

            To live in a world isolated from criticism you do not like, is not productive in any form. I wonder if you actually think organisations like the AJC always had interests which lined up with Americans, or white Americans specifically.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            I tried to have a discussion with you. You failed to respond.

            I don’t see the AJC having Jewish interests. They’re a liberal organization with Jewish coloration that issues press releases on Israel to solicit donations.

          • Martel

            I did not fail to respond at all, its quite clear you are simply hostile to the simple idea that all ethnic groups, especially minorities often engage in ethnic activism for both legitimate and illegitimate reasons. Scratch that, it is fine to discuss ethnic activism amongst whites, blacks, Hispanics and Asians, but when one discusses the Jews, despite the enormous record which even led Winston Churchill to conclude that indeed Jews were overrepresented in certain movements, that is the only ”no go zone”.

            The fact that you do spend time with some mumbling troll instead of me shows this is definitely not the reason you did not speak to me. I could provide several facts about the AJC alone which proves ethnic motivations, but this is only one organisation. But one with conflicted loyalties indeed.Do you want to find actual reasons for antisemitism in order to prevent more tensions between Jews and European gentiles, or do you wish to hold on to a discriminatory theory in which gentiles were simply bigots, while the Jews never made a single mistake?

            By this, you smear the history of Europeans with illogical and blatantly false accusations, which has prevented us from standing up against multiculturalism. Something which clearly bothers you at all. One thing I know about myself, if Jews would be the victim of such damaging hypocrisy, I would stand up for them. Unfortunately, this doesn’t seem to reciprocated.

            The very notion that only gentiles engaged in ethnic activism, is absurd. Yet you defend it, mostly by statements about me personally.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            You failed to respond to either thread. I have no idea why you’re belatedly complaining now.

            Your entire argument relies on strawmen and is symptomatic of a European far right unable to let go of its Jewish obsession and deal with real threats to survival right now.

          • Martel

            I have not failed in any sense. I don’t rely on strawmen in any sense.

            My argument is:
            Both Jews and European gentiles erred throughout the ages, and had legitimate and illegitimate grievances. There is no need to smear either one, or to despise either one for their actions. This is

            Your argument is:
            To even ask if Jews had any role in these conflicts, is a sin in itself. Any rehabilitation of Europeans is tantamount to “bigotry”.

            The poor image Europeans have of their image, is one of the most real threats. I will keep my hand extended to Jews who are willing to see that Europeans(incl.European Americans) are not the monsters they are portrayed to be. In education and in the media, we are bombarded with a one sided image of slavery, “antisemitism”, the crusades, and everything else they can come up with. We cannot stand for this.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            You’re not extending a hand. You’re hoping to find Jews self-hating and stupid enough to agree that anti-semitism is justified.

            Do you see me arguing that Europeans are monsters?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            maxie blumenthal is eager to shake your hand and probably MORE.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Shame you spend so much time on him, instead of having a real discussion with me. There are also Jewish posters on here who say dreadful things about Europeans, but I do not allow them to waste precious time.”

            Americans angry at “Europeans” are either indoctrinated “anti-racist” racists, or conservatives that blame Europeans for the menace of Marxist socialism and the derivative ideas. The same ideas that you blame on the Jews. How does that feel?

          • Martel

            How bigotry from Jewish Americans feels?
            No different then bigotry from blacks or Hispanics.

            By proving my observations correct you could hardly refute my points. As always, many people are indoctrinated to believe Europeans can be ”anti-jewish” but Jews cannot be ”anti-european/gentile””. This is no different then the common belief that blacks cannot discriminate against whites, and equally damaging to those of European descent across the western world.

            Surely there are also some who fit your description, but you have no evidence that this is the case, you simply assume as… Jewish bigotry?
            Impossible.

            I blame nothing on Jews, I point out Jewish ethnic activism, and that all ethnic groups share certain political views and behavioural traits,especially minorities as they are often uncertain about their position in society.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “How bigotry from Jewish Americans feels? No different then bigotry from blacks or Hispanics.”

            I guess.

            “By proving my observations correct you could hardly refute my points. As always, many people are indoctrinated to believe Europeans can be ”anti-jewish” but Jews cannot be ”anti-european/gentile””.”

            Sure Jews can be conditioned, like any other people. The point is that being attacked collectively does not justify collectivism. You can have a collective response but you should try to remain rational.

            And really the objections are not about identifying true bigotry but are about using neo-Marxist arguments, which are collectivist. Like for example claiming to be victimized by “Jewish bankers” or “Jewish media” is irrational collectivism, not a collective response.

            A collective response is responding rationally and recruiting people who agree with and want to form an alliance with you. A response against a collective based on ethnic membership is collectivism. Forming alliances based on agreement is collective action.

            Can you see the difference?

    • objectivefactsmatter

      “Truth”

  • Marduk

    The left’s hate towards Israel is perfectly understandable on ideological grounds.

    Israel’s continued survival is a living monument to the correctness of some very conservative, even nationalist ideas about nationhood.

    By putting those ideas into work, a nation of barely few million people can survive, and even prosper, while encircled by hundreds of millions of “diverse” people, no matter how pissed of it makes them.

    Proving such ideas in deed, in addition the sheer political incorectness of resisting the will of hundreds of millions of muslim “diversity”, means that it is perfectly logical for the left to hate Israel.
    After all, it’s existence is a metaphorical middle finger shown to their ideology, every day it continues.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Marduk AKBAR!

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    I’ve noticed this too.

  • jeffaral

    I will never support parasites.

  • reader

    “Why don’t you people deal in facts?”

    Thanks – finally something genuinely funny from you. We’ll let your nurse to “deal in facts.”

  • Daniel Greenfield

    He obsessively hated Jews and wrote about how much he hated them.

    Facts.

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    Your FGM was an FBI informant like Al Sharpton. Who knew?

  • Ken Kelso

    Looney Alert

  • laura r

    he thought the victims were jews, it was jewish center. hello.

  • iluvisrael

    it must piss off a Jew hating a$$hole like you that the miller’s victims weren’t Jews.

  • Boston

    Have you noticed how antisemites like to post how much they know bout Jews yet they can’t identify 3 Jews correctly even if they are in a Jewish Community Center, what a bunch of ignorant Bozos!

  • Habbgun

    So what you were saying is that this guy knew the identities of everyone in the Jewish center and particularly targeted a Catholic and a Methodist when he could have just as easily attacked them at a church?
    Gee, factsie you are just like Sherlock Holmes if Holmes used crack cocaine and not just cocaine.
    Besides, I think William F Buckley would be quite comfortable with FGM and he was an ardent Catholic. Now back to our regularly scheduled crackpipe.

  • Judahlevi

    I don’t find the juxtaposition accurate. One is very different from the other.

  • David Ashton

    Is sauce for the Jewish goose sauce for the White Gentile gander?

  • Tanks-a-lot

    you are NOT special

  • Judahlevi

    I may not be special, but neither are people who consider a Jew who marries a non-Jew to be dead.

  • Tanks-a-lot

    anyone that REJECTS the Talmud is special.

  • Daniel Greenfield

    Australian aborigines are very special.