Biden: Iraq Could Be One of Obama’s Greatest Achievements

The bad news is that if ObamaCare gets even worse, Iraq could actually still be the closest thing to an achievement that Obama can point to.

As Iraq falls apart, it’s worth remembering Vice President Joe Biden hailing that country as one of President Obama’s “great achievements” in a 2010 interview with then CNN host Larry King:

“I am very optimistic about — about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. You’re going to see 90,000 American troops come marching home by the end of the summer. You’re going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government,” said Biden.

“I spent — I’ve been there 17 times now. I go about every two months — three months. I know every one of the major players in all of the segments of that society. It’s impressed me. I’ve been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences.”

These days Iraq is doing about as well as Larry King.

  • Texas Patriot

    The fact that Obama refused to support the corrupt Maliki government that actively discriminated against Sunnis was the right approach. The fact that Obama refused to use force against ISIS other than to avert a humanitarian disaster and to prevent the destruction of the Kurdish militias was the right move. The fact that Obama has now indicated that America will support the newly appointed Prime Minister Haider Al Abadi and is now actively striking to degrade ISIS military positions throughout Iraq is also the right move. Under these circumstances, even the remotest possibility that Obama’s leadership in Iraq may actually succeed is not likely to sit well with the toxically anti-American pseudo-conservative element in American politics today, but that is no surprise.

    • Pete

      You are assuming that ISIS is small and will stay in its’ sandbox. Just how big is this tiger that we have by the tail?

      Did Obama give a press conference about how he wanted Maliki out of power giving the reasons ? He held one on Ferguson (where once again he acted stupidly before he knew all the facts).

      Our diplomats could not approach each and every Shia political faction to oust Maliki We could not approach Sadr, because he is … Well Sadr. but we could have approached Sistani.

      My point is this. Obama sat that in a sort of passive-aggressive mode occasionally making comments in a fit a pique. There are things he could have done above board to ease Maliki out of the door sooner. Sending Lurch to Baghdad is not my ideal of how to get it done.

      • Texas Patriot

        Pete: You are assuming that ISIS is small and will stay in its’ sandbox. Just how big is this tiger that we have by the tail?

        I’m not assuming anything about ISIS. I’ve never seen anything like it, and I have no idea how big it is or how big it may get. But I do think that supporting an inclusive Iraqi government to deal with it is the best approach in the short term.

        • Pete

          Which why I said our statements of support or nonsupport have to be above board.

          Those statements would not be wanted by a Maliki but they would not be underhanded.

          We do not have to passively stand by while someone misgoverns a country. Sooner or later such a bad ruler will probably be ousted due to poor governance. there is nor reason why it has to be later.

          I see no reason to have ambassadors and foreign service officers(FSOs) if their main function is attend balls and be a one-stop shop to get visas to visit or visit and overstay.

          Ambassadors and FSO should be able to meet with other political leaders and express American interest. that is they meet and express American interest but not to connive with those other leaders or representatives to oust a head of state. But if those representatives take it upon themselves without prodding by the FSO to from a coalition of representatives to oust someone using parliamentary procedures, well that is above board and just.

          • Texas Patriot

            Meddling in Middle Eastern politics is a formula for disaster, always has been, always will be. Any Middle Eastern politician who is seen as “chosen” or “approved” by the United States is doomed before they get started. We can support the ones we like, and we can resist the ones who represent an imminent threat to our national security or the national security of our allies. But if we take the next step and try to play the role of “kingmaker”, history has shown that we will be creating many more problems than we are solving.

          • Pete

            If we cannot openly say we disapprove of some one or some group that is a “class” FU and if we cannot say what we would like, then I think we have found Coventry. All we need to do is build a wall.

            We do not have to evacuate anybody such as the Yazidis, Jews or Christians That has already been done for us by evil men, who worship pointed to a meteorite.

            Elagabalus originally from Syria had one of those nifty stones too.

            Coincidence?

        • Drakken

          ISIS is spreading like a virus and Obummer and company are asleep at the switch, this is going to get much worse, you can bet on it.
          The shia and sunni will never get along to form a govt except on paper, other than that, like any other ragheaded cesspool, nothing more than a haven of corruption and incompetence, we should have put the Generals in charge.

    • Yehuda Levi

      Another Obama apologist.

      I would be happy if Obama did the right thing in Iraq – he didn’t. He bolted early and allowed Iraq to descend into the chaos it is in today. Thousands of innocent Yazidis and Christians lives have been lost due to his naive desire to get out of Iraq.

      We still don’t know the full extent of the damage since it continues (more Yazidis slaughtered yesterday after Obama said it was over), but it is already horrific. There will be much more.

      • Texas Patriot

        YL: Another Obama apologist. I would be happy if Obama did the right thing in Iraq – he didn’t. He bolted early and allowed Iraq to descend into the chaos it is in today.

        I’m not an Obama apologist by a long stretch, and I have been severely critical about Obama’s presidency in many areas. But I am someone who prefers truth over lies, and that’s a core American virtue going back to George Washington (“I cannot tell a lie”) and Abraham “Honest Abe” Lincoln. And the truth of the matter is that the troop withdrawal agreement committing America to withdraw from Iraq was signed before Obama took office.

        • Yehuda Levi

          Oh yes, the “truth” thing. I am certain you are the only arbiter of “truth” and no one else. A very arrogant statement.

          We are in Germany and Korea, but not Iraq? When you spend that kind of blood and treasure in a country to liberate it you don’t abandon it shortly afterward.

          And the truth is Obama could have negotiated to stay, as you know but conveniently left out. I guess it doesn’t fit your “truth.”

        • jetcal1

          The agreement to withdraw the combat contingent was indeed signed by B43. The SOFA negotiations were completely botched by the State Department. No attempt was made to negotiate or compromise with Iraq. It was “My way or the highway”. And that failure cannot be laid at the feet of B43. Like all great US policy failures it was truly a bi-partisan failure.

          • Webb

            So since these agreements about what goes on in Iraq carry so much weight, Saddam must have signed an agreement saying he was good with being invaded, or else we wouldn’t have rolled into Baghdad in Abrams and Bradleys against his precious wishes.

          • jetcal1

            Perhaps under another administration another invasion might have been mounted. However, this administration achieved its goals when it botched the SOFA. Very few rational people can claim the current administration has had a great amount of success in foreign affairs.

    • Webb

      Obama squandered the sacrifice of every US serviceman who died in Iraq. He should be tried and hanged. You along with him for writing traitorous garbage like this.

      • Texas Patriot

        Webb: He should be tried and hanged. You along with him for writing traitorous garbage like this.

        Well, I can’t say that I’m surprised at your remarks, but I do welcome the clarification about where you stand on the issues of Freedom of Speech and Constitutional Democracy. Perhaps you would be much happier in the Islamic State or the Islamic Revolutionary Republic of Iran.

        • Webb

          I’m thinking Lord Haw-Haw, Tokyo Rose, Jane Fonda.

          • Texas Patriot

            Webb: I’m thinking Lord Haw-Haw, Tokyo Rose, Jane Fonda

            You sure know how to pick winners. But from my perspective, every time Tokyo Rose opened her mouth, she drove another nail into the coffin of Tojo and the loonies in the Imperial Japanese War Department.

          • Yehuda Levi

            An apologist for Tokyo Rose as well? Do you want to give her a medal for free speech?

          • Texas Patriot

            YL: An apologist for Tokyo Rose as well? Do you want to give her a medal for free speech?

            We always learn more from our enemies than our friends, but there is no need to give them medals for trying to destroy us.

          • Yehuda Levi

            No, we don’t “always” learn more from our enemies. What are we learning from the Arabs versus what the US learns from Israel?

            The quotation is that a “wise” man learns more from his enemies than a “fool” learns from his friends. Not everyone is a “fool” and we don’t “always” learn less from a friend.

          • Texas Patriot

            YL: What are we learning from the Arabs versus what the US learns from Israel?

            What we are learning from the Arabs is how one of the world’s most ancient and learned cultures can be corrupted and blinded by a religious ideology less than two thousand years old. What we are learning from the Israelis is how not to fight a war against a people who are their own worst enemies.

          • Webb

            And there it comes out — the Jews aren’t fighting the muslims correctly. It’s the Jooos fault! Excellent job of tearing Tex apart limb from limb.

    • Drakken

      Obummer fuc*ed up royally, this community organizer and his leftist minions have not a clue other than wishful thinking to guide them, we’re really fu**ed now. Saddam when overthrown, should have had his generals put in charge and give the Kurds the north, it would have worked, but idiots who didn’t do their homework(Bremmer) truly believed that you could bring democracy to these people, I laughed in his face when he said it and said we will be back here cleaning this mess up when the sunni and shia go for each others throats, not to mention the Kurds making a play for their own country.
      Once these folks of ISIS ,move on Jordan and South Lebanon this will draw the Israeli’s and everybody else when the SHT, especially when the ragheads go have their fun in Europe. This is going to get a h*ll of a lot worse.

      • Texas Patriot

        Drakken: Saddam when overthrown, should have had his generals put in charge and give the Kurds the north, it would have worked, but idiots who didn’t do their homework (Bremmer) truly believed that you could bring democracy to these people, I laughed in his face when he said it and said we will be back here cleaning this mess up when the sunni and shia go for each others throats, not to mention the Kurds making a play for their own country.

        I couldn’t agree more, except for the part about America going back in to clean up the mess. Basically, America can’t afford to keep a permanent peace-keeping force in the Middle East, and that’s probably what it would require. Let’s face it. Sunni and Shia have been fighting more than 1,000 years, and unless one group manages to exterminate the other, it is highly likely that they will still be fighting for another 1,000 years. From my perspective, the best chance for peace in the region is for Israel, whenever attacked, to continue to expand by the doctrine of defensive conquest, into the land between the Nile and the Euphrates so as to provide a permanent lightning rod and buffer between two tribes that like nothing better than to hate and fight each other.

        • Drakken

          It is not a question of being able to afford to do so, but the fact that we can’t afford not to deal with ISIS before it becomes to late. As for letting shia’s and Sunni’s slaughter each other, I’ll grab a bourbon and smile.

    • Drakken

      The problem with your thought process on Comrade Odummer is that his actions where ISIS is concerned is reactive instead of proactive and is too little o make much of a difference.

      • Texas Patriot

        Only a unified and inclusive Iraqi government representing all Iraqis, including Sunni Iraqis, has any chance of standing up against ISIS. By withholding immediate support pending the removal of the utterly corrupt and hopelessly inept Nouri al-Maliki, Obama accomplished the all-important goal of forcing a reorganization of the corrupt government in Baghdad, including the removal of Maliki himself. Now U.S. airpower can support an Iraqi government with at least a chance of winning, and the early results, including the rapid recapture of the Mosul Dam, look encouraging.

  • Yehuda Levi

    While Obama dithered about Maliki, thousands of Iraqis soldiers and Yazidis were slaughtered, women and children kidnapped and enslaved, ISIS gathered more and more territory and equipment and became a more powerful force. With all of the blood and treasure America used to liberate Iraq, Obama has let it go to an even worse entity in ISIS. Yes, that is a ‘successful’ strategy.

    A change in government will not stop ISIS and it was ridiculous to wait for it. We have a vested interest in Iraq paid for in US service member’s lives. Obama should have had some respect for that – but of course – he did not. He only wanted to crow about getting us out of Iraq for the elections. Iraq asked us months ago for airstrikes and Obama refused.

    But maybe that is just an “anti-American pseudo-conservative” position. Right.

    • Texas Patriot

      YL: But maybe that is just an “anti-American pseudo-conservative” position.

      You left out the “toxically” part, but otherwise I agree with you. Unfortunately, it was the toxically anti-American pseudo-conservative element that caused America to remain in Iraq, long after our military objectives were accomplished, for the purpose of engaging a hopeless, hugely expensive, and totally quixotic and unrealistic attempt to transform an ancient Islamic culture into a modern Jeffersonian Democracy. It never had a chance, and all Authentic American Conservatives could see that as plain as day.

      • Yehuda Levi

        So, any conservative who sees the threat of ISIS and feels we should have left some forces in Iraq is a “pseudo-conservative?”

        And we all know you are the only “true” conservative here. Thanks for letting us know what you really are.

        • Texas Patriot

          YL: And we all know you are the only “true” conservative here.

          You can add WolfthatKnowsAll, Drakken, tickletik, Daniel Greenfield, Raymond Ibrahim, and possibly Webb to that list. IMO, the rest are suspect.

          • Yehuda Levi

            So, the arbiter of “truth” and “conservatism.” Quite a title to take on. Are you also the arbiter of “humility?”

          • Texas Patriot

            YL: Are you also the arbiter of “humility?”

            Texans are a lot like Israelis. We have to work real hard at humility, and that’s why I think we named the biggest oil company in the history of the State of Texas the Humble Oil Company.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_WEHlW9-_Y

          • Webb

            The Jooos are not humble!

        • ObamaYoMoma

          So, any conservative who sees the threat of ISIS and feels we should have left some forces in Iraq is a “pseudo-conservative?

          That’s a little overly defensive don’t you think? Exactly how do you perceive ISIS to be a threat? Do they have a dynamic economy? Are they going to sail over here with their blue water navy and attack us with their nuclear subs and F23s that are faster, bigger, and stealthier than our F22s?

          Indeed, the so-called Caliphate is destined to become just another failed Islamic totalitarian basket case. Yawn. Let them do their thing and kill each other. We got better things to do.

          Meanwhile, I’m far more worried about the Muslims living over here already, as they are jihadists just as much as ISIS. However, in stark contrast, they are deliberately non-violent jihadists because to be violent over here would cause unwanted focus and scrutiny upon them, but nonetheless they are thoroughly infiltrating our society and their strategic goal is eventual demographic conquest. And no, I’m not worried about returning American jihadists blowing things up after they return from Iraq and Syria, as that would be incredibly counterproductive to their ongoing non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad.

          • Drakken

            You ignore and dismiss the 11 th Commandment to your own peril, Know thy enemy as well as thy know thyself.
            When these jihadist go loud, the other muslims in our midst will be too busy screaming islamophobia and the only thing it do is cause people to turn on them with a vicious vengeance. The fact that a jihadist strapped with a bomb is more dangerous than an F-18 with 500 pounders strapped to it.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            With all due respect, Drakken, I forgot more about Islam and Muslims than you will ever come close to knowing.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      We have a vested interest in Iraq paid for in US service member’s lives.

      That blood is on Bush’s hands. As soon as Saddam was ousted, we should have gotten the heck out of that place ASAP and let the place go to crap. Now at the same time we got out of there, we should have gotten the infidels out of there too. Bush’s fantasy based nation-building missions in both Iraq and Afghanistan were both preordained to fail no matter what, because all of it was based on fantasies. Not to mention that lifting up Muslims in effect is lifting up our eternal mortal enemies. Thus, what is happening in Iraq today was inevitable.

      What would I do? Other than getting the infidels out of there, not a damn thing.

  • DogmaelJones1

    If Biden were able to insert himself into the conflict between the Empire and the Republic in Star Wars before the really nasty stage of blowing up planets and space battles occurred, he’d still say something as stupid and clueless. In the meantime, Obama has had plenty of time to improve his golf swing.

  • Pete

    We have come full circle.

    - It was Obama’s greatest foreign policy achievement until ISIS made stunning gains.

    - Then it was Bush’s fault.

    - Now it is an achievement again at least through the mid term election cycle,which is all that matters to many denizens of D.C.

  • Bluehart007

    Obama is an excellent goal keeper as long as no one takes a shot on him.

  • Erudite Mavin

    If Iraq survives, it will be in spite of Obama not because of Obama

    • Gee

      Iraq will not survive – nor should it.

      • Webb

        Amen!

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Why should we care?

  • Odin2

    Biden is the politician who discovered levitation. He can put both of his feet in his mouth at the same time without falling to the ground. Please run for president Joe.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    I don’t blame Obama or Biden for Iraq’s failure, as its failure was preordained the instant we occupied Iraq for the fantasy-based notion of nation building. As Islam, far from being a so-called “religion of peace” as Bush proclaimed, is more than anything else an extremely draconian form of totalitarianism that seeks world domination, as opposed to being just a so-called religion. Thus, the notion that it was somehow possible to democratize the Islamic totalitarian world was utterly absurd, just like all of Bush’s idiotic assumptions. Not to mention, that lifting up Muslims, as Bush claimed we were doing while getting brave American soldiers killed, is a fool’s errand because it is incredibly counterproductive, as it is in effect lifting up our eternal mortal enemies. Moreover, how are we going to make Muslims who are obligated to not only hate us but to also wage jihad against us, ever like us? It just doesn’t get any more fantasy based than that.

    Look all you Republicans blaming Obama for Iraq’s inevitable failure, blame Obama all you want, but the Republican Party under both Bush presidencies wasn’t conservative. It was liberal. I mean look at their miserable records. Besides the two greatest strategic blunders ever in American history in Iraq and Afghanistan, the last Bush also spent money and grew the size, scope, and power of government like a stuffed Dhimmicrat on steroids.

    Now that isn’t to say that Obama isn’t incredibly incompetent in his own right because he is, but what else would you expect, as he is a radical Marxists? Nevertheless, I never thought a Republican could be as incompetent and inept as Bush turned out to be.

  • Chris Gait

    Biden has to commute with a note pinned to his suit that reads: “My name is Joe Biden. If you find me return me to the Executive Office Building, Washington, DC.”

  • carltjohnson

    Yep…the “Rule-less class” are in fact; “The Dumbest Among Us”. Not to mention; willing participants in project monarch, prescription drug addict company drug trial volunteers and inundated with lead poisoning that pervades DC’s tap water. Put all that together with rampant sexual perversions and you have…”The second Fall of the Roman Empire” I guess parasitical humanoids will never learn the lessons of history.

  • carpe diem 36

    I think God was somehow offended by us Americans, and to take revenge he sent us Obama and Biden. I can see no other explanation of who these two clowns were put where they are, and God commanded them to do as much damage to America as they could. I wish I knew how to ask God for forgiveness for whatever it was we did to offend him so much. Maybe the whole country can have one Day of Atonement, one giant Yom Kipur of fasting and praying so that we can be forgiven and God will again favor us with the goodness he used to bestow on all of us both as individuals and as a country.

  • Ray Fischer

    Lying about what Biden said while providing a quote of what he actually said is typical of the sort of malicious stupidity we expect from the right wing fascist.

    “Could be” is not the same thing as “is”. Obviously the weak government that Bush left in charge wasn’t able to stand up to the radical extremists that the GOP are still protecting.