Converting to Islam Won’t Save Your Head

ioIn a telling commentary on the habits of the natives many travelers to the lands where the Religion of Peace peacefully reigns over burning cities, littered heaps and frightened refugees insist on learning to recite the Shahada, the Muslim profession of faith, in case of capture by peaceful Muslim terrorists.

But the devout beheaders have long since gotten wise to this particular infidel trick.

The Jihadists behind the Westgate mall attack in Kenya bypassed the obvious and instead killed hostages for being unable to answer such questions as “What was the name of Mohammed’s mother.” Not all Muslims might have been able to dodge a bullet by answering that question, but the terrorists were testing for religiosity as much as for ethnicity. A Muslim who couldn’t name the mother of the father of terror was deemed un-Islamic enough to be murdered by his monstrous children.

Most of the hostages held by ISIS could have answered that question and many others. They could and did recite verses from the Koran. The majority of them converted to Islam. That did not save them.

Instead the recent testimony of a hostage held by an ISIS ally indicates that his guards respected him more for remaining a Christian while despising his Western cellmate for readily converting to Islam. Despite their constant preaching about Islam, the Jihadists could not like or respect a traitor. They rightly judged that a man who would join a religion under duress had no religion, fealty or faith.

In the end ISIS executed those who converted and those who did not.

It is a mistake to think that converting to Islam can save your head. At best it earns the convert a place at the bottom of the pole. A woman marrying into an Islamic family can skip the line by subsuming her identity within theirs. A male convert is pressured to earn his place by committing various violent acts which is why we have seen a rash of vicious attacks committed by male converts in the West.

In Islam, violence is a status shortcut. Mohammed’s rise to power used a tribal cult to build a dynasty around his own family and those of his allies. The Caliph of ISIS is ultimately trying to do the same thing while the foreign fighters clustering around him are out to build harems and kingdoms of their own.

Under Stalin there were two Communisms. One was the real Communism practiced in Moscow in which a slave empire sought to expand its territory and power. The other was a set of ideas by their useful idiots in the West. Those Western Communists who moved to the Soviet Union eventually wound up in a Gulag whether or not they could name Lenin’s mother or recite chapter and verse from Das Kapital.

Western sympathizers of Communism or Islam did not understand that the actual implementation of the system was a machine of terror with no off switch. Stalin’s USSR and the Caliph’s Islamic State depended on grand promises and mass murder. Stalin promised to fully link up the entire country to the electric grid. ISIS installed a free phone booth. But the only thing they really did is kill a whole bunch of people.

Telling your friendly neighborhood Muslim terrorist the Shahada works about as well as telling an NKVD interrogator that you recant all your ideological errors. Aside from everything else, it misses the point. Most of the appeal of Islam, Nazism or Bolshevism was the ability to kill and torture a lot of people. Without a demographic base of homicidal sociopaths none of these movements would have ever shown up in the history books. And the sociopaths have to have their fun or the movement collapses.

Without enough countries to conquer, mass murders to arrange or sufficient tortures to oversee the Soviet Union collapsed like a wet paper bag. So did the Ottoman Empire. If Nazi Germany had ever outlived Hitler, Goebbels and the rest of its founding monsters, one day it too would have found itself ruled by bewildered bureaucrats surrounded by totems of another age and wondering how to go on.

ISIS revived the Caliphate by broadcasting severed heads across social media. It’s a recruitment ad for psychos that is paying huge dividends. If ISIS started releasing hostages instead of beheading them, it would be about as popular in the Muslim world as dogs, bacon and Jews. When your religion proves its sincerity through a willingness to kill, the failure to behead is the next best thing to atheism.

Going right back to the days when Mohammed enlisted some fun-loving family members to raid and pillage because an angel told him to, the ideology of Islam was an excuse for the abuses of its followers. When it comes to Islamic violence, the real distinction may not be the artificial one between moderates and radicals, but between those who are naturally inclined to kill and those who are compelled to it by their religion. And the religion of Islam was built to license the worst depravities of the former.

The various Jihadists in Syria are not killing each other over matters of faith. None of them are “extremists” or “moderates” no matter what our politicians say when they decide to arm them. They are killing each other over control of bakeries and profits from oil sales. Not to mention kidnappings.

That doesn’t make them hypocrites. They are following the grand example of Mohammed who lived off a percentage of the booty seized by his men, who profited from kidnappings and murders, who built a harem of sex slaves from abducted women and who sealed a political connection with his closest ally through the horrifying rape of his nine-year-old daughter.

Later Muslim chroniclers attempted to lend an air of nobility to Mohammed’s greedy atrocities. ISIS propagandists are doing the same thing for the Caliph and his merry murderers on Twitter. These myths have a useful function for Muslims, but only fools would assume that the Shahada could stand between them and a million dollar ransom or a really neat beheading video to show the folks back home.

This is what Islam is. This is what it’s always been.

Islam is not an abstract belief in a deity. Allah is not a thing that exists outside the Muslim. He is power and honor, greed and lust, he is a Christian man being beheaded in the dust of an Iraqi town and a Yazidi girl being raped inside a mosque, he is a black flag hanging limply over a dead city and a Caliph fingering his expensive watch while calculating his hostage payments.

To claim refuge in the Shahada is to assume that Jihadist cruelty is purely external, assuming wrongly, as many Westerners did of Communism, that the system is animated by faith in a better world.

Inside Islam is not a better world, but a darker one with many tiers of cruelty and with outsider status reserved for non-Muslims no matter how many verses of the Koran they may memorize. The African-Americans who moved to the USSR believing that it was a truly non-racist society ended up dead. Westerners who think that reciting the Koran can save them from the sword have discovered that the Koran can turn on the machinery of terror, but there is no off switch for the swinging sword.

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  • Bamaguje

    Another brilliant treatise by Mr Greenfield that should open the eyes of even diehard “Islam is peace” loons.
    Mohammed famously attributed his success to terror – “I have been made victorious with terror.”
    Why would ISIS be any different?

    • Yehuda Levi

      “Islam is peace” is equivalent to “war is peace – freedom is slavery”.

      Leftists want us to believe in the 1984 newspeak that things are the opposite of what they are. Reality is only what leftists, and political correctness, defines for us. Free-thinking minds will disagree.

      Conservatives deal with reality, not utopias or 1984 dystopias. We use reason, not purely emotion, to help us understand this world. Reason tells us that the civilized world is currently at war with a dangerous ideology which is cloaked in a religion.

      Islam is the new collective Nazism and has many of the same hates and intolerances.

    • Ali Khan

      Why don’t you post the whole hadith for a change?

      Narrated Abu Huraira:

      Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” Abu Huraira added: Allah’s Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them)

      (cast in the hearts of the enemy) How convenient of you to leave that part out to support your one-sided bigoted view. The ‘enemy’ that are spoken of over here are the corrupt evil-doers who swore to steal, murder, submit to intoxication and corruption.

      How dare you associate a misguided and prejudicial group such as ISIS who act out of the boundaries of the Holy Quran with the honest work of a kind-hearted prophet such as Muhammad PBUH.

      Stop with these lies before they will be your own undoing. The more lies you the darker and bitter your heart and soul will become.

      Please don’t ever do this again friend.

      • neluroman

        Ali, please don’t try to fool us openly. Irrespective of how much you try to cover up the truth, ‘the emperor is naked” to quote from Mark Twain. Your “Allah’s Apostle benefited of world’s treasures, as much as he wanted. Whend he was in Meca he was poor and very peaceful; he had just one wife. But everything changed when he was in Meddina. There, he became rich, warrior and the owner of 12 wives and a few women sex-slaves. And by what means he became such a “prince” Did he create some ” plus – value”.No, not at all, he simply robbed people of their wealth, under the shield of spreading Islam. I am sorry, but such a thing Gingis Han did too – robbed people- but no one thinks to praise him for this.
        Ali, please, don’t try it again, no at least among people who know what it is about.

        • Ali Khan

          First off, fix your broken grammar and second, I only quoted from the authentic source itself unlike you.

          And seriously what is this stupid ‘the emperor is naked’ quote anyway?

          “he simply robbed people of their wealth, under the shield of spreading Islam” Can you confirm this from the Holy Quran or the Hadith? Or just you just spit-balling nonsense purely out context?

          Don’t try to fool sane-minded individuals with your double talk that is only conjecture and never facts.

          • John Magne Trane

            “You think he had sexual relations with all of them? No! Just Hazrat Khadija and Aisha (after the former passed away).” That’s a new one..

            The emperor has no clothes is from a fairy tale by H.C. Andersen. And he did not kill a single person spreading his fairy tales. Nor did he rape anyone, Unlike your massmurdering prophet.

          • Ali Khan

            “That’s a new one” what new one? Haven’t you ever read the Sahih Hadith? It’s all given right there.

            “Unlike your massmurdering prophet” Unless you’re quoting directly from either the hadith or the Holy Quran, you are just presenting lies and not authentic content.

            Get the truth from the source unless you’re afraid to prove me wrong.

          • randy63ism

            Quit trying to polish a turd. Your “noble quran” is nothing but excretable perversity, your so-called “prophet” an evil monstrosity who murdered for personal gain, not to mention a sexual pervert of the highest magnitude.

          • Ali Khan

            If only any of that was even the slightest bit true. What you’re saying is purely out of context and completely a conjecture without even picking up the Holy Quran or the Sahih Hadith to prove it. Quote even one single but complete verse where he does any of those slanders.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Ali Khan, First off, fix your broken koran.

            Too many people have been killed due to exhortations for Muslims kill Infidels.

            See 9/11, ISIS, Al Qada, Boko Haram, prophet of Satan you call Muhammed.

          • Ali Khan

            You want real answers about Islam? First read the Holy Quran which you clearly haven’t and are only bashing it out of context just for the sake of spreading lies.

            Start reading and stop watching the same old idiot box that promotes propaganda instead of the truth.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Islam is judged by the actions of its followers.

            See 9/11, 1993 truck bombing of the WTC, the near nuclear war between your “islamist regime of pakistan” and Hindu majority India, the Boston Marathon bombing, the bombing of Pan Am 103, the 2005 London transport bombings, the Mumbai India massacre ( pakistani terrorist pigs), the Nairobi India mall massacre, the Jerusalem synagogue massacre, the Fort Hood massacre, the death fatwas on writer Salman Rushdie, the 8 year iraq/fascist iran war…

          • Ali Khan

            “Islam is judged by the actions of its followers.” Who told you this?

            “9/11″? done by a group of people who were later reported alive and well.

            “1993 truck bombing of the WTC” was done by a group pf Arabs who did not even belong to any group or was even promoting Islam.

            They killed Osama bin Laden but never showed his body. Hired actors in 2007 and 2011 who couldn’t even speak Arabs failed to make their interviews look convincing.

            There’s a lot more eye-opening facts that I can discuss right here and now.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Ali Khancer asked:

            > “9/11″? done by a group of people who were later reported alive and well.

            Really? Which of the 19 are still alive?
            Which TV program were they on?
            Have they appeared on Al Jazeera?
            Been interviewed Fascist Irans PressTV?
            Which Youtube video shows them???

            You now have to backup your claim with proof – which we await.

          • Ali Khan

            BBC reported that which is at news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm and it clearly says quote:

            “Hijack ‘suspects’ alive and well”

            There you go. If there really were any hijackers these people would never have been reported alive and well.

          • Daniel_Greenfield

            Now round it off with some Holocaust denial. You know you want to.

          • Ali Khan

            You mean the crime committed by the Nazis? Sorry don’t see any “Islamic terrorists” here. BTW considering what is happening in Gaza where innocent Palestinian women and children are being slaughtered by the Jews it would make sense why Hitler was out to kill them in the first place. Though I never condoned it because of how it was executed and killed innocent Jew civilians as well.

            Matter of fact, what about the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings? What about the Philippine war? What about the War on Terror in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and more? What about the Vietnam war? The list keeps going doesn’t it?

            To top it off many of those crimes go unreported or covered up. Since when was America the innocent one? Fortunately I do not blame the citizens but their corrupt government officials who illegally sanctioned these wars.

          • Daniel_Greenfield

            The Nazis allied with the Mufti of Jerusalem who advocated the mass murder of Jews.

            But nice to see you endorsing the Holocaust.

            ” it would make sense why Hitler was out to kill them in the first place.

            Your people are engaged in a war of genocide against humanity for over a thousand years.

          • Ali Khan

            He did not have any direct involvement in the genocide of the Holocaust he merely asked for Hitler’s support in the opposition of the Jewish establishment in Palestine.

            Do not ever twist my comments because in my previous comment I specifically wrote “BTW considering what is happening in Gaza where innocent Palestinian women and children are being slaughtered by the Jews it would make sense why Hitler was out to kill them in the first place.”

            The Jews, or more correctly the Zionists, who are not Jews at all, are the ones responsible for the unjust killing and slaughter of humanity for so long now. The real Jews would never do something that God dislikes and my heart tells me this as well.

          • Daniel_Greenfield

            He had direct involvement in aiding Hitler.

            It’s hard to twist a comment in which you said that killing Jews made sense.

            Zionism is in your own Koran.

            “O my people! Go into the holy land which Allah hath ordained for you.”

            Mohammed must have been a Zionist. No wonder he was such a monster.

          • Ali Khan

            “Mohammed must have been a Zionist.” “Must be”? This further proves more of your unjust labeling and conjecture.

            “Zionism is in your own Koran”?

            because of Surah 5:21 “O my people! Go into the holy land which Allah hath ordained for you.”? This quote is by Moses the prophet before even Jesus.

            Do you know what the ones preceding this says?

            Surah 5:20 clearly says “And [mention, O Muhammad], when Moses said to his people, “O my people, remember the favor of Allah upon you when He appointed among you prophets and made you possessors and gave you that which He had not given anyone among the worlds.”

            After that verse comes the one you posted, which you foolishly believed to be from Muhammad PBUH.

            The one after that says in Surah 5:22:

            “They said, “O Moses, indeed within it is a people of tyrannical strength, and indeed, we will never enter it until they leave it; but if they leave it, then we will enter.”

            The disbelievers are the “people of tyrannical strength”

            The more lies you post the more you true colors of deception are being revealed.

          • Daniel_Greenfield

            You don’t understand sarcasm, do you? Must be Haram.

            You don’t seem to have actually disproven the Koran’s Zionism. You need to try harder instead of ranting about the “disbelievers”.

          • Ali Khan

            Give it up already and stop speaking out of context. If you want answers about the Holy Quran’s take on Zionism, which in fact doesn’t even exist, read the book for a change.

            But considering your aim on just constantly using incorrect wordings like ‘Koran’ instead of Quran even after I wrote it a dozen so times, it leads me to automatically assume that you are deliberately defacing Islam without even touching the source.

            Do whatever you want, but a lie can never be proven. Truth and Justice always wins

          • Jack Diamond

            Because Jews are not real Jews and Christians are not real Christians anymore. Not if they reject Islam. The logic is the same as saying the books of the Jews & Christians were indeed sent by God but they were corrupted later and this explains why they are not consistent with the Qur’an and why all the promises of Muhammad were expunged. This is what they believe and must believe in spite of absolutely no evidence, quite the contrary. They believe it because they recognize the Torah and Gospel do not teach what the Qur’an teaches and Muhammad does not resemble a biblical prophet. Discrediting and appropriating the biblical promises to the Jews is vital to the very meaning of Islam, just as is stealing Jesus from the Christians and turning him into a prophet of Islam who just existed to proclaim the coming of Muhammad: 61:6 ” Jesus, the son of Mary, said, “O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and
            bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad (Muhammad).” Jews & Christians after Muhammad are no longer the real Jews or Christians. They only are if they become Muslims! Thus the hate & enmity toward them and they are the “worst of creatures.”

            5:82 “you will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity towards the believers (to be) the Jews and those who associate others with Allah (commit shirk, i.e.Christians).” Tafsir Ibn Kathir “this describes the Jews,since their disbelief is that of rebellion, defiance, opposing the truth, belittling other people and degrading the scholars. This is why the Jews–may Allah’s continued curses descend upon them until the Day of Resurrection–killed many of their Prophets and tried to kill the Messenger of Allah several times, as well as performing magic spells against him and poisoning him.”

            Hate for (the non real) Jews and Christians is foundational and doctrinal. Hitler’s continued popularity among Muslims is well noted. As for the Grand Mufti, he was designated a war criminal at Nuremberg, he organized the Muslim SS division in Bosnia and he intervened to prevent shipment of Hungarian Jews to Palestine and instead taking them to concentration camps in Poland. His dream was to bring the Holocaust to the Jews of the Middle East when the Nazis won the war. However, it is much easier to hate the Jews when you work from the proposition the Jews hate and want to destroy you first. It’s called projection.

          • Ali Khan

            Give it up now Jack. Stop this before it consumes you.

          • Swede_P

            Ali Khan, with respect, you really are in the wrong place taking part in this thread, or any thread on Frontpage. Now, I don’t discourage other viewpoints, but when you take part in a forum where the prevailing view is diametrically opposed to your own, I would suggest you post your position clearly and only once, but then be prepared simply to agree to disagree with others in the thread. Nobody’s minds are going to be changed by a keyboard commando.

          • Ali Khan

            I only post from authentic sources whereas these viewers are deliberately taking bits and selective portions of the Holy Quran to justify their false claims.

          • Swede_P

            You are not paying attention.

          • Ali Khan

            Oh! Sorry I think I see what you meant when you said “you really are in the wrong place taking part in this thread, or any thread on Frontpage”.

            You’re right. There’s no point of this.

          • Daniel_Greenfield

            9/11 Trutherism. How predictable.

            Your response to any argument is to resort to conspiracy theories.

          • Ali Khan

            Only liars would consider the truth as conspiracy theory. I did my research on all of them and what you done to prove your side? Nothing.

          • Daniel_Greenfield

            I proved what Islam is in every change with you. So did Jack Diamond.

            The only thing you’ve done is try to invert definitions. That’s all you’re doing now.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            I prefer the :idiot box” to the idiot book you call the koran.

          • Daniel_Greenfield

            Nice try

            Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268:
            Narrated Qatada:

            Anas bin Malik said, “The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number.” I asked Anas, “Had the Prophet the strength for it?” Anas replied, “We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men).” And Sa’id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).

            http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/005-sbt.php#001.005.268

          • Ali Khan

            What about this? Some scholars say it was ten also but in actuality is was 13 of which only two were consummated, first was Khadija and then was Aisha after the former passed away, the rest were married under tribal conditions but were treated fairly.

          • Daniel_Greenfield

            He was “consummating” all his marriages/rapes in one night.

            There’s nothing fair about slavery.

            Or about raping a little girl.

          • Ali Khan

            “He was “consummating” all his marriages/rapes in one night”.

            Unless you got that from the Hadith or the Holy Quran, you haven’t proven anything.

            And He did not ever ‘rape’ Hazrat Aisha, who is one of the greatest women in history, she came to him our of her own will and was still aloud to play with her toys until she reached her period.

            Besides Hazrat Marium, or Mary, Jesus’s mother was of young age herself when she had Jesus and when she married Hazrat Yousuf, or Joseph, when he was 90.

            Your argument is invalid.

          • Daniel_Greenfield

            Are you also pretending not to know what “My provision has been placed under the shadow of my spear” means?

      • Jack Diamond

        The kind-hearted prophet who launched the Jihad against the world of disbelievers? A war of conquest such that his successors “the best of Muslims” ended the Jewish life in Arabia and set out to conquer the Christian Middle East and North Africa, people who had done no harm to Arabian Muslims other than simply exist and refuse the “kind” offer to convert to Islam. Convert, live in subjugation, or die. Who is the “enemy” to the kind-hearted prophet? The enemies are the unbelievers in the mission of Muhammad. In particular Jews & Christians. What is the “corruption” you talk about? According to the ulema, any kind of fitna, including simply contrary beliefs.

        “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e.worshiping others besides Allaah), and the religion (worship) will all be for Allaah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshiping others besides Allaah),
        then certainly, Allaah is All-Seer of what they do” [al-Anfaal 8:39] Tasfir Ibn Kathir “it is the order to eradicate Shirk and Kufr. {terms of religious belief that become cause of war}. Fight them until there is no more fitna (trial in religion) and the Religion will be for Allah alone (so there is no more kufr, disbelief). Rebellion against God’s will is termed as fitna. Fitna refers to misconduct on the part of a man who establishes his own norms and expects obedience from others, thereby usurping God’s authority.”

        Qur’an 3:85 –If anyone even desires a religion other than Islam never will it be accepted of him. Q 5:51 –Take not Jews and Christians for friends or protectors, if you do you are one of them, apostate. 48:28 He it is who has sent his Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth that He may make it superior to all religions (Tasfir Ibn Kathir “triumph over his enemies and the rest of the people of the earth”). 48:29 “Muhammad is God’s Apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.” 9:73 “Allah commanded His Messenger to strive hard against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and to be harsh against them.

        Shall I give you to the scholars on the meaning of 9:5 and 9:29, the declaration of war on non-Muslim mankind? Or shall we just delve into the kind-hearted prophet’s career and model of conduct for all Muslims? Shall we see who is the liar?

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Jack Diamond AKBAR!

      • Daniel_Greenfield

        The enemies of Islam have always been those who…

        1. Would not acknowledge the authority of their leader

        2. Pay him protection money

        or 3. Convert to his religion

        That is the position of the Koran and you know that quite well.

        ISIS doesn’t do much of anything that Mohammed and the Caliphs did not do.

        It enslaves non-Muslim women. They did that.

        It kills Muslims who reject his authority. Ditto.

        Mohammed wasn’t kind. “Kind” men don’t rape little girls, enslave women and murder poets.

        • Ali Khan

          Back these claims from the Holy Quran of the Hadiths and then we’re on the same page.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            9/11.

          • Daniel_Greenfield

            Koran 9:29

            Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the Jizya in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjugation.

          • Jack Diamond

            So 9:29 is perfectly well understood: “Fight” derives from the Arabic q-t-l or Qital which means a little more than fight, it means kill, massacre, slaughter. It appears 123 times in the Qur’an, 89 times in the Medinan. Ibn Juzayy on 9:29 “A command to fight the People of the Book and denying their belief in Allah because of the words of the Jews ‘Uzayr is the son of Allah’ and the words of the Christians ‘the Messiah is the son of Allah.’ They do not enter Islam. When this ayat was revealed, the Messenger of Allah set out on the expedition to Tabuk to fight the Christians.”

            As-Suyuti “This is the basis for accepting jizya from the People of the Book; al-Maghira told Rustam ‘I call you to Islam or else you must pay the jizya while you are in a state of abasement.’ He said ‘what does a state of abasement means?’ He replied ‘You pay it while you are standing and I am sitting and the Whip is hanging over your head.” Ibn Kathir “this beloved verse is the first command to fight (Jews & Christians) after the idolators were subdued… ‘until they pay the jizya’ means this is done if they don’t convert to Islam; ‘with submission’ means that they are forced to pay and
            should be downcast..reviled, disgraced and debased…the People of the Book are despicable, lowly and rebellious.”

            This is where the dhimma came from. It means both “protected” people and guilty people. Guilty for rejecting Muhammad as a prophet and “corrupting” the
            revelations they received from Allah. “Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah…invite them to accept Islam…if they refuse to accept Islam, demand for them
            the jizya..if they refuse to pay the tax seek Allah’s help and fight them” (Sahih Muslim 4294). Abu Bakr invading Persia said “Embrace Islam or pay the poll tax or fight.” Caliph Umar invading Iraq said “Summon the people to God, those who refuse must pay the poll tax out of humiliation & lowliness, if they refuse this it is the sword
            without leniency.” This was Qur’an 9:29 in action. Is this not the Islamic State in action?

            “I descended by Allah with the sword in my hand and my wealth will come from the shadow of my sword and the one who will disagree with me will be humiliated and persecuted.” the kind-hearted Muhammad’s last public sermon, ibn Hisham v3pt6p8

          • Ali Khan

            No! The word “fight” in Arabic is شجار

            Whereas kill is actually qatal.

            Stop lying about the Arabic texts.

            And quit confusing fight with kill to falsely justify your own-sided claims. Even so it is against disbelievers who have murdered innocent people, robbed and lied as I have already explained and given their descriptions.

            The word “qatal” as you have mentioned is literally known as kill, the word “Qital” on the other hand means fight. Just like Salah can be derived as either praying or giving glad tidings depending how the letters are put and the sound is made.

            For instance there is a Surah 2:190 which uses that word but like this:

            “Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.”

            We are only supposed to fight to defend ourselves against transgressors and oppressors and never unprovoked.

            Oh and the so-called ‘hadith’ you posted is unfinished, it actually starts with:

            “After today there will no longer be two religions existing in Arabia. I descended by Allah with the sword in my hand and my wealth will come from the shadow of my sword and the one who will disagree with me will be humiliated and persecuted.”

            Muhammad PBUH’s message was aimed towards the disbelievers who sworn to idol worshiping and corruption like murder, rape, alcohol and so on.

            So again you have proven nothing and you always use bits and pieces leaving out the rest just so you can further promote conjecture instead of genuine truth.

          • Daniel_Greenfield

            The purpose of fighting is to kill your enemies. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

            In Islam, disbelievers are evil. That says more about how evil and murderous Islam is.

            Your entire argument is summed up as justifying Muslim atrocities toward non-Muslims.

          • Ali Khan

            Just what I would expect from someone whose never even read the Holy Quran to know why humans are supposed to fight.

            If you had you would have known the the disbelievers are polytheists, people who worship multiple deities, liars who hide the truth and thus cause harm to innocent to get what they want, ones to murder, steal, fornicate and more.

            We as humans not just Muslims are supposed to fight in order to defend ourselves from such tyranny as stated in Surah 9:28 which says :

            “O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach al-Masjid al-Haram after this, their [final] year. And if you fear privation, Allah will enrich you from His bounty if He wills. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Wise.”

            It continues on with Surah 9:29 which says:

            “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”

            We are only supposed to fight those who run amok and spreading violence, hate, rape, murder and more. Disbelievers is not a name that can label, is the character that one possesses due to their harmful actions or what they do to other innocent people.

            Also in Surah 2:190:

            “Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.”

            “Those who fight you but do not transgress”.

            We as humans not just Muslims must fight to defend ourselves and our families when we are threatened by our enemies.

            The ISIS, Al Qaeda and other extremist terrorist are just that terrorists and hypocrites, who only say by mouth that they follow Islam but never in their actions.

            I ask you only to read the Holy Quran for the sake of authentic knowledge instead of putting up what any anonymous and undisclosed entity can write.

          • Daniel_Greenfield

            “liars who hide the truth and thus cause harm to innocent to get what they want, ones to murder, steal, fornicate and more.

            Seems like a good description of Islam and its followers.

            There are plenty of examples in the Middle East right now, but you insist on playing empty word games, pretending that the peoples Muslim kill and exterminate are evil… thereby justifying your own atrocities.

            Here’s your own citation…

            “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”

            The crime here is not believing in Islam and Mohammed which can be paid off by paying protection money to Muslims.

            You’re not defending your families by murdering non-Muslims. You’re promoting your death cult by killing and enslaving those who don’t join.

            This is exactly what ISIS is doing. They are following Islam. They are doing what Mohammed did.

          • Ali Khan

            What’s your deal? Do you love speaking out context or even misinterpret the authentic verses in your desire. Because if you are you then fit the definition of those liars and conjecture makers that are mentioned all throughout in the Holy Quran.

            You new comment just gives it away. Just selecting only bits and pieces from my last comment as you did with the others. My full comment says “If you had you would have known the the disbelievers are polytheists, people who worship multiple deities, liars who hide the truth and thus cause harm to innocent to get what they want, ones to murder, steal, fornicate and more.”

            Unless you are not afraid of the truth you can the true definition of Islam and everything else in the Holy Quran. I will not force you as compulsion is forbidden in Islam as it clearly says in Surah 2:256:

            “There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.”

            See? “No compulsion in the acceptance of religion, which over here is Islam”. Contradicting the deeds of the ISIS.

            There’s a lot more truth that you can learn if you just give the Holy Quran a look and a read.

          • Daniel_Greenfield

            What’s my deal? I don’t like evil.

            I quoted back the very verse you quoted. And you’re still complaining.

            “”Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”

            The emphasis here is on those who don’t believe in your prophet and his deity. It’s on extracting protection money from them.

            That’s the truth of your own scripture.

            Now we’re not discussing your particular version of compulsion in religion. Muslims have indeed forced people to convert to Islam, but here we’re referring to…

            Killing and persecuting people for not being Muslims.

            In your twisted scripture, you don’t consider that compulsion in religion. That again says a lot about your religion.

            ISIS offers the same choice of paying Jizya. It does exactly what the Koran says, fighting against those who are not Muslim until they either submit and pay protection money to the Muslim bandits or become Muslims.

          • Ali Khan

            What is wrong with you?

            I have already quoted verses that prove ISIS is not a Muslim group.

            Surah 2:256, it’s impossible for you to miss that unless you are deliberately trying to avoid which now seems more apparent than before.

            FYI “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.” Says fight not kill and those who go against the laws of God.

            Islam is not something made by people or even Muhammad PBUH. Haven’t you read anything from the source? Of course you haven’t.

            “ISIS offers the same choice of paying Jizya. It does exactly what the Koran says”

            The ISIS kills other Muslims just like the Al-Qaeda, Taliban and others. I know this because I live in one of those countries, innocent people just to make an example out of their own goals.

            Again what do you even know? Nothing. You’re never even quote directly from the Holy Quran and only take chunks and pieces from the book instead of the whole piece just so you can twist the truth.

            You have proven that you know nothing but conjecture. You purposely leave out the rest of the Ayat, Surah and Hadiths only for the sole purpose of the corrupt Obama propaganda.

            You, the ISIS, Al-Qaeda and Taliban will be brought before a proper and fair united court of justice to account for everything you have done.

            Everyone will then know the truth of the evil schemes pulled by the American government.

          • Daniel_Greenfield

            You’re ranting instead of reasoning again. You’ve failed to show how ISIS differs from Mohammed’s behavior.

            Of course Islam was made up by Mohammed. Just like Mohammed, ISIS kills and/or oppresses non-Muslims.

            G-d will judge Islam as all evil empires have been judged in the past.

          • Ali Khan

            “You’re ranting instead of reasoning again” Says the one whose not even quoting from the authentic source. You’re the one who has failed to even prove from the Holy Quran itself how a make belief group such as ISIS even resembles our Prophet PBUH’s motives and intentions.

            Further proof of your rant even shows in your perception of how Islam was established for which you are just spitballing once again without even quoting from the Holy Quran itself, was established by Muhammad PBUH. No human being on earth can produce a text so perfect and pure.

            It’s basically useless to talk to a person whose sole purpose is to deliver conjecture instead of sharing anything from the source.

            I mean you can’t even spell God right.

          • Daniel_Greenfield

            I’ve quoted the Koran. You’re the one who isn’t addressing quotes from the Koran. You’re interpreting them instead. Too much innovation in religion.

            No human being can produce a text so perfect and pure? You mean the times when Mohammed wasn’t possessed by the devil and promoting polytheism?

          • Ali Khan

            “I’ve quoted the Koran. You’re the one who isn’t addressing quotes from the Koran. You’re interpreting them instead.”

            Man! Now I know for a fact that you’re delusional because anybody can see from your comments that you have given only one verse which is the Shair Qasmi version of Surah 9:29 that is:

            “Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the Jizya in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjugation”

            “Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day,nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book,” people who do not follow the rules of our Creator God are to be punished.

            Those people who don’t are hypocrites, transgressors, polytheists or simply disbelievers. The people being addressed here are the people who have forsaken the Scripture namely Christians and Jews the explanation for which is given in the next Surah that is 9:30 and it says:

            “The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah “; and the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah .” That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?”

            Acknowledging any other non-existing idol made of wood, gold or whatever humans can see with their eyes as a divine being besides God is strictly forbidden. The books they were given were only to accept God as the only true bringer of life and sustenance and yet they drift away from it.

            And where in the Quran or Hadith did you even get “You mean the times when Mohammed wasn’t possessed by the devil and promoting polytheism?” from? You can’t even prove this. Even Jack Diamond argues better than you.

          • randy63ism

            Your monkey’s taqiyya is not strong.

          • Daniel_Greenfield

            We’ve never gotten past that single quote and you’re demonstrating why.

            You concede that the Koran calls for the murder of Jews and Christians. Not to mention non-Muslims in general.

            You’re making my argument for me.

            So what exactly is your point? That I’m being unfair to Islam when I mention that?

            And looks like someone forgot about the satanic verses.

          • Ali Khan

            “We’ve never gotten past that single quote and you’re demonstrating why.” No! You never past that single quote but as anyone can see from the comment section I have also given several other verses instead of that.

            “You concede that the Koran calls for the murder of Jews and Christians. Not to mention non-Muslims in general.” BOY! You really don’t know the difference between kill and fight or even misinterpreting do you?

            How in the world did you overlook this?:

            “The people being addressed here are the people who have forsaken the Scripture namely Christians and Jews the explanation for which is given in the next Surah that is 9:30 and it says:

            “The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah “; and the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah .” That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?”

            It is not humans that the Jews and the Christians should be afraid of, it is God and the painful torment He has prepared for them. Only those who reject the Scripture and make those things lawful which God has forbidden, will be punished, whereas those who do will be rewarded.

            It says so in Surah 4:159-162:

            “And there is none from the People of the Scripture but that he will surely believe in Jesus before his death. And on the Day of Resurrection he will be against them a witness.

            For wrongdoing on the part of the Jews, We made unlawful for them [certain] good foods which had been lawful to them, and for their averting from the way of Allah many [people],

            And [for] their taking of usury while they had been forbidden from it, and their consuming of the people’s wealth unjustly. And we have prepared for the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.

            But those firm in knowledge among them and the believers believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you. And the establishers of prayer [especially] and the givers of zakah and the believers in Allah and the Last Day – those We will give a great reward.”

            God is never unjust to His Creation.

            “And looks like someone forgot about the satanic verses” RIGHT!!! Satanic verses which you for some reason never bothered to even quote. I wonder why?

            You know something instead of finding real answers to your questions within the Holy Quran itself or the Sahih Hadith you still choose to be hyperbolic in your approach.

            I don’t know if you are doing this deliberately or unconsciously but please stop now. Conjectures are quite frankly the only things you have confronted me with.

          • Daniel_Greenfield

            ” You really don’t know the difference between kill and fight or even misinterpreting do you? ”

            You fight to kill. Or are you claiming that Muslims fight to lightly wound?

            And then you follow that up by vomiting up more Islamic propaganda explaining why you have the right to kill Jews and Christians.

  • camp7

    So it boils down to basic human lust, greed and power. With the license of Islam to distinguish their victims. Savage memes threatening civilized morals.

    There is an off switch. It’s called survival. The Israeli’s figured it out, now it’s time for the rest of civilized societies to make that decision.

  • truebearing

    Great piece, Daniel. This is the definitive dissection of evil ideologies and the dynamics that drive them.

    Nazism, Communism, Islam…all promise utopia through the portal of nihilism. Murder hastens utopia. Destruction creates a better society. Butchering people pleases a god. It is all a license to unleash the demonic in the depraved zealots who want nothing more than to lose all moral restraint and take pleasure in arbitrarily killing people.

    Sadists get pleasure from hurting people. Serial murderers report a rush of exhilaration when they feel their victims die. Islam adds a pseudo-spiritual reward to make already sick people feel morally superior for committingthese heinous crimes. It doesn’t get more evil than that.

    Evil genius was behind the creation of these vehicles. There was an unfathomable depth of understanding of evi, and what it takes to make men join cults of death, in all three of these ideologies, but of the three, Islam is the worst.

  • Elizabeth capecod

    Talk about the ultimate pop quiz…Savages don’t need a reason to kill.

    • Pete

      The do. They are no better than Chimpanzees. They need a reason. the reason for go time is simple. We have the numbers.

      If you know why and when chimps fight, then you know everything you need to know about groups like ISIS and many other groups.

      • Elizabeth capecod

        If you want to compare their mentality to that of wild animals….you’ll get no argument from me.
        Although, I think animals are capable of expressing more compassion and empathy than these monsters.

  • Pete

    “Converting to Islam Won’t Save Your Head” – Dsanield Greenfield

    Are you sure about that?

    If you convert after capture, then it does not seem to save you.

    That is at least if you are captured by ISIS.

    I think many leftists have figured this out and that is why they convert ahead of time. It is what we are seeing in Britain.

    “The British Royal Family and the Islamist Terrorists”

    (1) Between WW1 & WW2 that rocked the European establishment and the incessant Leftist questioning of anyone but them having the right to rule, The West does not have the will to live as a people or a race.

    (2) People are told there are too many people so cut back families size.

    We are told by demographers that we are the minority and will be a disappearing minority. The political wags amongst us read the Demographic projections tell us that we are though so get over it and they crow while saying it.

    Between (1) & (2) people do not feel we have the numbers to resist.

    (3) WW1 & WW2 strengthened the U.S. At least WW2 did. But the U.S. has come under special attention by the USSR and the Left and everything has been done to de-legitimize the U.S.

    The narrative is that we all pulled together for WW2. The big lying liberal Brokaw wrote a book called “The Greatest Generation”.
    But the Left does not mean it. The only reason why the Left did not tear the U.S.A. apart during WW2 or they to tear it apart was because we were allied with the USSR. Otherwise they would have done their very best to spike war production and make trouble on the docks.

    ***
    Prince Charles is not tough enough to marry the woman he wanted when they were both single. He could not do it because she was 5 or 10 years older and he could not go against his family. Then he was weak enough to go after her in an adulterous affair. who knows if he treated his wife Diana badly.

    With a figurehead like Prince Charles can a country be led?

    The British if they are to survive would be better off skipping Charles and crowning one of his sons.

  • knowshistory

    the first message should be clear even to the densest of infidels: stay out of muslim majority areas of the world. there is no safety there, even in the shahada. even our resident brain dead liberals should be able to figure that out. they have tried anti-Americanism. they have tried anti-Semitism. they have tried conversion. they have been handed their heads. who wants to be next? the other message is a bit too subtle for our western deep thinkers: SEND ALL MUSLIMS HOME. there is just as much peril in bringing evil to our own country as in visiting majority evil areas. this simple lesson is way, way too complex for our resident idiots to understand. now bring on the fools proclaiming “not all muslims are terrorists”, and other stupidity. don’t disappoint me. of course not all muslims are terrorists–now–but when you cant tell the difference between koolaid and cyanide, a wise person doesn’t drink either.

  • Texas Patriot

    DG: Islam is not an abstract belief in a deity. Allah is not a thing that exists outside the Muslim. He is power and honor, greed and lust, he is a Christian man being beheaded in the dust of an Iraqi town and a Yazidi girl being raped inside a mosque, he is a black flag hanging limply over a dead city and a Caliph fingering his expensive watch while calculating his hostage payments.

    It’s hard to say who or what Allah is or isn’t. Muhammad thought he was being advised by the angel Gabriel, but on at least one occasion he realized it was Satan. Muhammad never claimed to be divine, and it is entirely possible that he was being deceived:

    And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

    2 Corinthians 11:14-15

    • Yehuda Levi

      Allah is a figment of mohammed’s imagination.

      Nothing more.

    • johninohio1

      I doubt Muhammad actually thought he was being advised by any angel. He simply knew instinctively how to control and rule the psychopaths who followed him–to inspire them to fight to the death for him and his imaginary heaven. He was the ultimate ‘religious’ fraud.

  • Infidel4Ever

    The fact that ISIS practices the exact same Islam Mohammad preached is the type of stone cold truth your average progressive Islamic apologist doesn’t want to believe. It’s Islam as it really is and has been for the thirteen or so centuries this barbarity has been practiced. The only thing they understand is force.

  • Jack Diamond

    From the link to Theo Padnos: “It was January 2013 when the prison administration began offering me the opportunity to convert to Islam. Every day, the guards preached to me and recited the Quran. In Arabic, you don’t convert to Islam, you “submit” to it. “Ya, Bitar” (“O, Peter”), the fighters would say, “why
    haven’t you submitted yet?” For a while, I thought that if I submitted,
    my life would improve, but I soon learned that even conversion would not
    help me…Matt asked for an English-language Quran. A guard gave it to him. A
    few days later, Matt said the magic words — “I testify that there is no
    god but God and that Muhammad is his prophet” — in front of witnesses.
    When word got around that Matt had converted, the younger fighters would
    point at him and say, “You, good!” Then they would point at me and say,
    “You, bad!”

    But the conversion did not get Matt better food, and it certainly did
    not get him home. Once, one of the more volatile guards slapped him as
    we were being taken to the bathroom. “You, bad!” he said to Matt. “You
    lie about religion.” The guard nodded at me. “You, you Christian,” he
    said. “You, good.”

    Reciting the shahada is about humiliation and being humbled before Islam. The last thing it earns is respect. Die with your boots on.

    • Joycey

      The real test of Christianity is to die for Jesus Christ.

    • jon

      Phucque them……

  • bigjulie

    As usual, extremely well-written and a fair and accurate portrayal of what the rest of us will face if Islam is allowed to continue, let alone flourish. Thank you, Daniel.
    Why would a god choose a pedophile and child rapist to be his prophet? Why would any god, with all it’s power, need a prophet anyway? The “con” in “convert” is getting too obvious to ignore, anymore!
    That is why I am an atheist! I have been “converting” all my life, through six different iterations of Christianity, finally ending up as a Catholic, before I decided that atheism made the most sense of all, and that being because of what I was asked to “swallow” in each of the religions I hoped would bring me peace. I finally found it in Zen because The Buddha is not a god in Zen.
    Looking at what you get for your money is instructive. In Christianity you get eternal Heaven and eternal peace and happiness with the Christian God, or Hell’s fire if you are adjudged not worthy. Maybe the same with Judaism, I don’t know. In Islam you get a lousy 73 Virgins. Nothing noted for Islamic women. Maybe they just get to be “virgins” all over again. What happens when you deflower all 73? Do they go back to the “Virgin Factory” for a retread? Can you imagine living for eternity with 73 women? YEESH!!
    Just sayin’…

  • mtnhikerdude

    Daniel , we cave to any and all demands Islam presents . In the near future we will behead ourselves at their request . Insanity Rules

  • Douglas Mayfield

    Slavery begins when you bow down to evil.

  • Shel Zahav

    The parents converted to Islam, too. Muslims killed another Muslim. Happens a thousand times a day.

    • iluvisrael

      yup, but the world doesn’t seem to care unless a Jew is involved

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      No bad deed goes unpunished.

  • mark

    I am starting to think that muslims know that they are worshipping satan.

    • Edd2013

      Exactly. Want to understand islam and what they do today? Simply replace alla for satan and madmoe for demon.

  • nimbii

    Daniel,
    “…bewildered bureaucrats surrounded by totems of another age and wondering how to go on.
    Hmmmm, where else could this be true?

  • jon

    Buy a pistol and watch your back. Shoot when threatened……

  • jon

    We, members of the free world, are the sick ones for allowing this when we have the power to stop it.

  • Paula Douglas

    I wish I could remember who said this first, but I’ll repeat it: Islam is a rationalization for sadism.

  • Ali Khan

    “I didn’t make up anything. ” Uh yes you did, only posted a portion of that hadith just so you could compare him with the unjust acts of the ISIS.

    “But if you choose to believe only what your iman at mosque tells you, well….. that doesn’t mean that what you hear is the absolute truth.”

    It’s Imam for your information and if I listened to just one, two or many other people without doing my own research I wouldn’t be a human being, I would have been a puppet.

    You’re the one simply copying and pasting every useless conjecture against Prophet Muhammad PBUH when clearly you have never read the Holy Quran or the Hadiths.

    Thank you for explaining “the emperor is naked” quote but maybe you should take your own advise and post the entire hadith instead of just a portion of it next time.

    Just to reiterate, you’re the one posting lies by quoting only a minor portion of a hadith and comparing the actions of criminals like the ISIS to that of our Prophet.

    • neluroman

      Ali Khan, if you want a “duel ” you have just got one. I am going to post here a few deeds of your Prophet by which you and anyone else to be able to understand that Prophet Muhammad’s life was far away from being holy.
      In Mecca your Prophet had a missionary activity of 13 years. During this period barely he amassed around him more than 100 adepts. He had one wife and his life was really modest. He was a nice guy with a modern, peaceful- “I with my faith, you with yours, “There is no compulsory in religion” – message and a civilized behaviour.
      Everything changed when your Prophet went to Medina.
      There, he became a very rich man,exclusive by means of sword. He started by robbing Mecca’s caravans , as then to continue with attacking peaceful communities -Kaibar for example – plundering them. His main religious doctrine visa-vis of those of other religion than Islam became this: convert, pay a tax, leave, or die.
      His mercifulness vanished like a morning drew. He commanded among others the assassination of a poetesse just because she wrote a few verses against him. He commanded the beheading of an entire Jewish tribe 800-900 men and sold their children and women as slaves- ISIS, simply. take inspiration from this deed of the Prophet. They have never made a secret from this, quite the contrary. The Prophet married more than 12 women, fact which goes against his own law that limits the number of vives to 4. But what is even more shameful is that he married a child – Aisha, ( she was 6 years old when he engaged her, and 9 yers old when he consumed the marriage.
      The Prophet was a liar, He lied one of his wives only to have her gone so he can have sex with Mariah- a young sex slave girl. No other prophet ever behaved in such a shameful maner. These are just a few examples of unholy behaviour from your Prophet part, but the list is much, much longer.
      Ali Kan, a Prophet, at least one from God, is sent to change times and people. In the case of Prophet Muhammad the times and the people changed him and not vice-versa, From a nice guy in Medina he became a rude and violent man in Mecca- exactly how many of the people living at that time were. You, Ali, can come with one million of reasons for why he did what he did, but Ali, the facts remain facts and they are not holy,

  • sydchaden

    Muslim countries follow Islam, and Islamic doctrine calls for “death to infidels”. Islamic clerics have defined “infidels” as meaning “non-believers in Islam”. That definition includes Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists and atheists, substantially, the world’s non-Muslim population. While Western leaders avoid any discussion of the doctrine, the Muslim world takes it very seriously. The two major branches of Islam, the Sunnis and the Shia, each consider the other to be “infidels”, and they have been killing each other for centuries, for that reason. They still are, today, and they are killing non-Muslim “infidels”, as well. While some consider discussion of the doctrine to be “Islamophobic”, by far, the vast majority of the victims of the doctrine have been Muslims, killed by other Muslims.

    Some Muslim countries are less stringent in their enactment of the doctrine than others, but not a single Muslim country has renounced the doctrine. Egypt came the closest to doing that, when Mubarak banned the Sharia, but he was ousted, and replaced by the Muslim Brotherhood, which defined its mission as bringing rule by the Sharia to Egypt. Obama and Hillary Clinton supported the ouster of Mubarak, and his replacement by the Muslim Brotherhood, claiming that the Brotherhood would bring “Freedom and Democracy” to Egypt. That was entirely a fabrication by Obama and Clinton. The Brotherhood never has said that, only that they would bring rule by the Sharia, which is the antithesis of Freedom and Democracy. And, when the Egyptian people saw what the
    Brotherhood was bringing to Egypt, they ousted the Brotherhood. Obama and Hillary Clinton, and Clinton’s replacement, John Kerry, did not support the
    people’s demand for Freedom and Democracy. They supported the Muslim Brotherhood, which calls for rule by the Sharia.

    Obama, President of a nation of “infidels”, has ignored the Islamic death sentence for the people that he purports to lead, and instead, fantasizes that “Islam is the religion of love”, and, “Islamic terrorism is the work of a tiny minority”. But, any fool can see that the Sunnis and the Shia are hardly “a tiny minority”, and any fool can see that “death to the infidels” is hardly a message of love. But, Obama is not just “any fool”. He is President of the USA.

  • Daniel_Greenfield

    The real meaning of Islam was to enrich and empower Mohammed and his family and the families allied to him with a combination of paganism and material badly ripped off from the local Jews and Christians.

    Your entire screed rationalizes Islam’s war against non-Muslims. Including Christians and Jews.

    “Every single act of Jihad as prescribed in the Quran, except the foolish piece of propaganda you see on TV, has been against disbelievers who murder, rape, torture, steal, hoard money and do everything else that is bad and harmful to other people.”

    Hmm… Rape, murder, torture and steal

    You mean like every armed Islamic group and Muslim government on the planet?

    Or for that matter your prophet Mohammed?

    Mohammed enslaved and raped women

    He murdered those who opposed him

    He stole their property

    And he tortured them to steal their property.

    When he [Muhammad] asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr bin al-Awwam, “Torture him until you extract what he has.” So he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad bin Maslama and he struck off his head.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 764)

    But then Mohammed was a disbeliever.

    • Ali Khan

      “The real meaning of Islam was to enrich and empower Mohammed and his family” Where did you get this from cause it certainly isn’t what’s written in the Holy Quran or the Hadiths.

      “Or for that matter your prophet Mohammed?

      Mohammed enslaved and raped women

      He murdered those who opposed him

      He stole their property

      And he tortured them to steal their property.”

      I challenge to prove every one of these using only the authentic sources that are the Holy Quran and the Sahih Hadith.

      Oh and for the passage that you posted, which is actually taken from “Sirat Rasulallah” — “Life of the Prophet of Allah”, a book of his autobiography, how convenient of you to leave out the other details of this passage. Like for instance this ‘Muhammad’ that you is actually Muhammad b. Maslama, a companion of the Holy Prophet, in case you overlooked it.

      Second how convenient of you to leave out the rest of the sentence which actually says:

      “Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head, “in revenge for his brother Mahmud.””

      “in revenge for his brother Mahmud.” Did you get that? This man whom Maslama has beheaded killed his brother Mahmud which is he why he struck his head off.

      You left the last part out on purpose, you’re the one posting lies against our Prophet.

      • Daniel_Greenfield

        Do you deny that Mohammed and his men raided caravans?

        Do you deny that they took the women of those they murdered as slaves?

        Two simple questions.

  • Jack Diamond

    Your definitions are not accurate. But that’s understandable considering what you are trying to defend. Shirk means the unforgivable sin of associating partners with God, a crime Muslims associate with Christians and that also gets them branded as idolators (mushrikun). Kufr is unbelief, covering the “truth”; infidelity; rebellion against God, disbelieving the Qur’an and Islam. This has nothing to do with killing, committing adultery, violence et al. It has to do with belief. Thus, in the classic law manual ‘Umdat al Salik: “08.0 Leaving Islam is the ugliest form of unbelief (kufr) and the worst.” Losing belief in Islam is the worst kufr and one calling for the death penalty. A high crime. Get it? 9:5 and 9:29 are about the beliefs of those Muslims are to fight against.

    Fitna, the disorder caused by disbelief, is worse than a slaughter. (2:191). Tasfir Ibn Kathir on 2:191 “Abu Malik commented about what Allah said: (And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) Meaning what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing.” (And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) “Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing.” Allah then commanded fighting the disbelievers when He said: (…until there is no more Fitnah) meaning, Shirk. This is the opinion of Ibn `Abbas, Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ar-Rabi`, Muqatil bin Hayyan, As-Suddi and Zayd bin Aslam. …and the religion (all and every kind of worship) is for Allah (Alone).) means, `So that the religion of Allah becomes dominant above all other religions.’ ”

    9:5 is simply a declaration of war. “Everything in the Qur’an about forgiveness is abrogated by verse 9:5″ Jahluddin Suyuti, 1497 (Istenbat al-Tanzeer) “Allah revealed in Surah 9 the order to discard all obligations (treaties) and commanded the Muslims to fight against all the pagans as well as the People of the Book if they
    do not embrace Islam, till they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” –Dr. M. Mushinkhan, Medina Islamic University intro Sahih Bukhari transl. “When the Prophet migrated from Mecca to Medina God ordered him to fight those who fought him only then when the Chapter of Repentence (9) was
    revealed, God commanded his Prophet to fight anyone who did not become a Muslim, whether they fought him or not.”-al-Jawziya, Saudi scholar. *{Anyone who did not become a Muslim whether they fought him or not}

    “The holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (obligation to) convert everyone to Islam either by persuasion or force. Isam (alone) is under obligation to gain power
    over other nations.” Ibn Khaldun, “Muqaddimah”

    Now why does Ibn Khaldun understand Islam better than you do?

    • Ali Khan

      What difference would it make in my last quick response and your elaborate definitions?

      I was about Kufr when I said it means favoring lies which also means concealing the truth, who in turn are the same as Shirk who seek refuge in idol worship which is the greatest act of disbelief.

      What is said about Christians and Jews is:

      “O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends: They are but friends to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.”

      It does not say kill anywhere.

      And as for your

      ” “When the Prophet migrated from Mecca to Medina God ordered him to fight those who fought him only then when the Chapter of Repentence (9) was revealed, God commanded his Prophet to fight anyone who did not become a Muslim, whether they fought him or not.”-al-Jawziya, Saudi scholar.” Tell me exactly where you got this from?

      Cause I can’t find anywhere on the Internet where it says “then when the Chapter of Repentence (9) was revealed” This doesn’t sound like it was written by God or even Muhammad PBUH or doesn’t even exist.

      Or even “God commanded his Prophet to fight anyone who did not become a Muslim, whether they fought him or not” This is a contradiction to the Holy Quran itself and is nowhere to be found online except on Answering Islam which even says “Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya’s book was published in Saudi Arabia (second edition) in 1981″.

      The book somehow is also never even named, how convenient

      You made all of this up. Again promoting lies.

      • Jack Diamond

        You accept take not Jews & Christians for friends or allies is correct. Good. You accept religious bigotry. This ayat and so many others form a Qur’anic doctrine called al wala wal al baraa, a good Muslim’s attitude is loyalty (to Muslims) and hate & enmity (to the kaffir). Islam is radically hostile to the other. Ask any self respecting Imam. Jews and Christians are the worst of creatures (98:6) As for killing, that’s what 9:29 calls for should the renegades refuse Islam or to pay the jizya and be subjugated. btw when 5:51 says you (friends of Jews & Christians) are “of them” it means you’re an apostate and that does warrant killing under Shariah.

        Does the bloodbath that is Islamic history have nothing to do with your Qur’an and Sunnah? Are you deliberately dumb? Do you not know that it is the scholarly consensus that the Verse of the Sword abrogated all previous treaties and any peaceful, tolerant Meccan ayats? Ibn Kathir on 9:5 “it abrogated every agreement of peace between the Prophet and any idolator, every treaty and every term. These ayat allowed fighting people unless and until they embrace Islam and implement its rulings and obligations..’Umar said that the Messenger of Allah said ‘I have been commanded to fight the people until they testify that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, establish the prayer and pay Zakah.” It’s called Jihad and it is obligatory and permanent. “Islam has approved war so that the word of God becomes supreme…this is war for the cause of God (Holy War). Muhammad therefore, sent his ambassadors to eight kings and princes in the neighborhood of the Arab peninsula to call them to embrace Islam. They rejected his call. Thus, it became incumbent on the Muslims to fight them”– Dr. Afifi Abdul-Fattah (“The Spirit of Islamic Religion” p 382). As in “fight against those who disbelieve in Allah…invite them to accept Islam…if they refuse to accept Islam, demand for them the jizya..if they refuse to pay the tax seek Allah’s help and fight them” (Sahih Muslim 4294)…the jizya option not pertaining to “pagans” of course. For them, convert or die only.

        ‘The Book of the Islamic State’ (1953) by al-Nabhani, the founder of Hizb ut-Tahrir: “The foreign policy of the Islamic state must be to carry the Islamic mission to the world by way of Holy War. This process has been established through the course of the ages…this process has never been changed at all. The Apostle Muhammad from the time he founded the State in the city of Yahtrib, prepared an army and began holy war to remove the physical barriers which hinder the spread of Islam.” (p.112) “By holy war, kingdoms and states were removed and Islam ruled the nations & peoples. The glorious Qur’an has revealed to Muslims the reasons for fighting, to carry the message of Islam to the entire world…”

        That is Islam. That is the Islamic State. Caliph Baghdadi is an Islamic scholar. Abdullah Azzam had a PhD in Shariah from Al-Azhar. Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman headed Qur’anic studies at Al-Azhar. Now you know why they knew Islam so much better than you do.

        Ha, tricked you. I made all of this up again.

        • Ali Khan

          WOW! You post all of this and then you finish it by saying “Ha, tricked you. I made all of this up again.”

          It’s not even plausible for me to even take this in a sarcastic way.

          “You accept take not Jews & Christians for friends or allies is correct” Yeah but as allies this does in any mean friends. It only means those Christians and Jews who have lead themselves astray from the Bible and the Torah because some of them believe Jesus is the Son of God, which by nature is above begetting and never begotten. And some of them have made sinful acts such as alcohol, drugs and homosexuality legal when in their Book it says otherwise.

          “You accept religious bigotry”. No because bigotry is opinion based, our view against the crimes committed by the Christians and Jews lie only on facts because they went astray themselves.

          You want to know what it says about being friendly and just?

          Surah 60; 8

          “Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes – from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.”

          This renders your unauthentic quote from the non-existing book “God commanded his Prophet to fight anyone who did not become a Muslim, whether they fought him or not”, irrelevant and false.

          Surah 60:9

          “Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion – [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers.” Rendering your claim of “You accept religious bigotry” irrelevant and false.

          Everything you are quoting is just bits and pieces and leaving out the rest of them as I’ve caught you red-handed. This does not mean I want to be enemies with you unless you are doing this on purpose.

          Please Jack stop this madness before something terrible happens and I don’t mean people trying to kill you, I mean of a sudden heart attack or something else.

          I beg you to stop, Please!

          • Jack Diamond

            All Christians believe that, not “:some.” I’ll happily stop the madness as far as responding to you. I believe the source is this, good luck wading through it: Zad-Al-Maad, Ibn
            Qayyim-al-Jawziyya, Library of ‘Manara al-Isalmiyya 1984 and
            the 5th volume 1981, 2nd version My only typo was not referring to him as the “Hanbali scholar” (not Saudi). He was a student of Ibn Taymiyyah. You realize you have refuted nothing concerning the Jihad, its obligation and permanence, and the duty to impose Islamic law on everyone. Nor have you shown that what the Islamic State does (and the rest of the world’s jihadi-shari’a imposing actors) is misguided out of the boundaries of the Qur’an. Nor can you. But take care and watch out for apoplexy when reading the truth about Muhammad. It can be as bad as a heart attack.

          • Ali Khan

            Get ready to be smashed by the truth man.

            Turns out that this so called “Zad-Al-Maad, Ibn Qayyim-al-Jawziyya, Library of ‘Manara al-Isalmiyya 1984 and the 5th volume 1981, 2nd version” bibliographic reference is just a silly little copy and paste from the Internet.

            Zad-Al-Maad is translated as Provisions of the Hereafter and when I found the only copy of it which is d1.islamhouse.com/data/en/ih_books/single/en_Complete_Zaad_al_Maad.pdf, the Chapter on page 90 actually says:

            “Regarding His in Reciting the Qur’an”

            also this “God commanded his Prophet to fight anyone who did not become a Muslim, whether they fought him or not” does not even exist.

            You LIED!!!

            I should have suspected it when you wrote “I believe the source is this”. “I believe”? Everything that you have been writing to me until was literal and authentic and then you write this?

            You know if you’re going through all the trouble and picking out non-existing and contradictory quotes and books, maybe you should try reading the Holy Quran and the Sahih Hadith like me before you continue to embarrass yourself any further. Of course I’m not asking you to convert to Islam and become a Muslim, just for your own knowledge’s sake that’s all.

            As far as refuting your conjecture against Jihad, I think I already gave my answer to you in my previous comment when I posted both Surah 60 8-9. But just in case you missed it:

            60:8 clearly says:

            “Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes – from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly”

            Those who do not oppress or do wrong to Islam or other people are innocent and thus need to be treated kindly as justly as instructed by Our Creator God.

            60:9 says:

            “Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion – [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers”

            If our religion and our right to live in piece is being jeopardized then we have the right to defend ourselves and our religion, that is what is relevant with the meaning of Jihad, “struggle” and “resisting”, not killing.

            According to the Book of Jihad, or Kitab-Al Jihad in the Chapter: “Regarding Killing Women”, it clearly says:

            “‘Abd Allaah bin (mas’ud) said “A woman was found slain in one of the battles of the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ). The Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) forbade to kill women and children.”

            In another chapter which is “Regarding Calling Idolators To Islam”, there’s a passage narrated by Anas ibn Malik which clearly says:

            “The Prophet (ﷺ) said: Go in Allah’s name, trusting in Allah, and adhering to the religion of Allah’s Apostle. Do not kill a decrepit old man, o a young infant, or a child, or a woman; do not be dishonest about booty, but collect your spoils, do right and act well, for Allah loves those who do well.”

            “Do not kill a decrepit old man, o a young infant, or a child, or a woman”. Happy now?

            Everything that the Taliban, Al-Qaeda or ISIS do is clearly against all of this and thus they are not Muslims because of what do they in spite of what they say. They are actually transgressors, criminals and sinners themselves.

            In the end, you proved absolutely nothing, but that doesn’t mean you still can’t go on the right path.

            I pray that you accept your flaws and make yourself better Jack. I pray God helps you on your journey.

          • Jack Diamond

            Actually you’ve come to bore me so I’m not going to show you how ISIS or al Qaeda justify from Muhammad killing old men, women and children in jihad or the many massacres of entire populations by Islamic armies over 1400 years (including by Muhammad’s close companions) which set a precedent. It is curious you pronounce takfir on ISIS when no reputable authority has.

            The quote you are fixated upon refers to an explanation of Suras 9:5 and 9:29. “Allah revealed in (Surah 9) the order to discard all obligations (treaties) and commanded the Muslims to fight against all the pagans as well as the People of the Book if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.”
            –Dr. M. Mushinkhan, Medina Islamic University intro Sahih Bukhari transl. These are the last revelations concerning warfare and the controlling ones (read the section on Jihad in ‘Umdat al-Salik).

            In Provisions of the Hereafter, p.340 Jawziyya writes: “(Muhammad) remained for thirteen years warning the people, without fighting and he was commanded to patiently persevere. Then it was permitted for him to fight. After that he was commanded to fight those who fought him. Then Allah commanded him to make war on the polytheists until all and every kind of worship was for Allah alone…Surah at-Tawbah (9) was revealed commanding them to fight the People of the Scriptures until they agree to pay the jizya and He commanded him to undertake Jihad against the disbelievers and the hypocrites. He made Jihad against the disbelievers with the sword and against the hypocrites by argument. And He commanded him to declare himself free from the covenants with the disbelievers.” This is why: Abu Bakr invading Persia said “Embrace Islam or pay the poll tax or fight.” Caliph Umar invading Iraq said “Summon the people to God, those who refuse must pay the poll tax out of humiliation & lowliness, if they refuse this it is the sword without leniency.” Because these are the only three choices Muhammad gave kaffirs.

          • Ali Khan

            “Actually you’ve come to bore me”. If that really is true why did you even bother writing a big robust comment here?

            That is quite enough now. I refuse to carry on this one-sided conservation with someone who can’t listen to reason from the source.

            I will still pray for you Jack that one day you open up to reason and open-mindedness.

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  • M.K.

    Voltaire said ” If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities.” Superstitious beliefs breed cruelty and fanaticism.

  • Jack Diamond

    Having intercourse with their women in the presence of their husbands…remind you of the Islamic State at all? What better way of humiliating the kaffir and proving the dominance of Islam in the most emasculating way? Taking his woman (the marriage is no longer valid according to Islam) and ultimately stealing her womb for more Muslim babies. Yet another form of conquest and not the least important. Every jihadi knows full well what “war booty” means and it isn’t 72 virgins in paradise.

  • Harry

    THE FOUNDATION OF THE RELIGION OF PEACE:

    WHO WAS MUAWIYA ABU SUFYAN?
    The story of Ashura and the great sacrifice made by Imam Hussain (a.s.) to save the religion of Islam was a classic tale of good versus evil. The evil in these events was personified by Yazid ibn Muawiya (may Allah curse him), a man who was simply a despicable human, let alone a so-called Muslim.

    His reign as “caliph” was short but painful. In his first year of rule he commanded his forces to kill the grandson of the Prophet, along with his family and friends and in the second year he attacked the Kaa’ba and set fire to it.
    He was a power-hungry, selfish and arrogant man but tracing through history, he was not the real brains behind the attempt to destroy Islam, the real brains was his father – Muawiya ibn Abu Sufyan. Of the trio of the founding Umayyad fathers, Abu Sufyan, Muawiya and Yazid, Muawiya is the most significant, the most influential and most cunning.

    Sunnis lay a lot of credit on Muawiya’s door. They have a lot invested in him. They don’t really take note of Abu Sufyan and condemn the actions of Yazid, on the whole (apart from fools like Dr. Zakir Naik). Muawiya on the other hand is treated with a lot of respect. They call him Hazrat Muawiya – rasiallahu-anhu (may Allah be pleased with him) amongst other respectful titles. He has been bizarrely sanctified by the Ahle Sunnah over the centuries, his reputation has been shrouded in myths, legends and propaganda.

    During Muharrum I heard an excellent lecture about Muawiya. From my notes and further research on the man, I want to explore who Muawiya was, we need to be aware of who he was and what he represented. The lecturer carefully explored his real record, the truth about his life and deeds and ambitions. We have to know who these people are in order to represent our faith in a better light and even enlighten our brethren in the Ahle Sunnah about the truth behind Muawiya.

    The Ahle Sunnah like to give him three main claims to fame. Firstly, he was a great companion of the Holy Prophet. Looking at history, he was in the Holy Prophet’s midst only for the last 2 years of the Prophet’s life. Any hadith claiming words of praise about Muawiya from the Holy Prophet have been fabricated by Muawiya himself. He was a great propaganda machine and spent much of his time in power creating new hadiths about himself and Bani Ummaya. He also created other hadiths trying to discredit Imam Ali (a.s.) and Bani Hashim in an attempt to legitimise his rule.

    The reality is that he was not a great companion of the Prophet, and the Prophet enunciated not one word of praise or merit about Muawiya. Many Sunni scholars have come to this conclusion in their research, including Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Jalaluddin Al-Suyuti and Abdul-Haqq Dehlavi who all attest to there being no hadiths in praise of Muawiya in their books.

    The Ahle-Sunnah also believe Muawiya to have been a legitimate ruler, caliph of the Muslims. He obtained the Caliphate by ousting the 2nd Holy Imam, Imam Hasan (a.s.) through bribery and blackmail of Imam Hasan’s supporters. He negotiated a peace treaty with Imam Hasan (a.s.) and then systematically broke every single article of the treaty. He broke the central condition of the treaty – regarding succession to his rule, by appointing his cursed son Yazid as Caliph.

    He is, in effect, Islam’s first tyrant. He was the man who created structures of kinship and autocracy. He dug the roots of tyranny, terror and totalitarianism that defaces Islam today. Famous Sunni scholar, Abul Ala Maududi, in his 1973 book “Caliphate and Kingship”, outlines in detail the numerous ways in
    which Muawiya enriched himself at the expense of the people, how corrupt he
    was, how many companions and innocent Muslims he killed and how he amassed both power and wealth. He turned the Caliphate into a Kingship. (After all that criticism, Maududi still managed to end the book with “Hazrat Muawiya, (r.a.)”!!)

    If he is a true Caliph and deserved the title, why is he not one of the Khulafa-e-Rashideen – the four rightly guided Caliphs? Why does it end with Imam Ali (a.s.), why wasn’t Muawiya added to this list? They know the truth, but cannot bring themselves to admit as much. The irony is that how could he be a great Caliph when some of his own companions refused to pray behind him? A companion of Abu Huraira, no friend of the Shia, claims in Sirat-e-Halabiya that “On the plains of Siffin, Abu Huraira would pray Salat behind Ali, but would go and eat with Muawiya. Someone asked why he did this, to which he replied

    “Food with Muawiya is better, but Salat under Ali is better.””

    In fact, Muawiya himself made it obvious that he was only interested in power and material gain. He didn’t even pretend to have any inclination towards the spiritual, the moral and the Islamic aspects of caliphate and leadership of the Muslim community. Sunni scholar Sibt ibn al-Jawzi writes in his book, Mir’at al-Zaman that Muawiya openly claims

    “I did not fight you to pray, fast and pay charity, but rather to be your leader and to control you!”

    Reference: http://truthaboutshias.blogspot.com/search/label/Muawiya

  • Ali Khan

    Nothing you have mentioned is even relevant in the Holy Quran. If you knew anything about Islam you would have quoted verses from the book itself.

    Try reading it first before spreading gossip and lies.

  • Jack Diamond

    You’re wasting your time engaging with him. This scholar of the Qur’an apparently does not know verses he quotes are considered abrogated, the so-called peaceful tolerant verses, those such as “no compulsion” (suras 9 & 5 abrogate the notion there is no compulsion in religion by the command to fight jihad). What is convert or die in 9:5 if not compulsion in religion? What is convert, live in subjugation or die if not compulsion in religion? Even “forced” conversion is slippery in Islam, the Sunnah makes it clear forced conversion only refers to forcing someone to believe something in their hearts and does not refer to making them say something with their tongue, to repeat the shahada with a sword over their heads (as Muhammad did). Welcome to Planet Islam. Freedom is slavery,. War (against Islam) is not taking up arms, it is disbelief–spreading “mischief and corruption” by your beliefs. Apostasy (leaving Islam) in shari’a manuals is anything that is deviant from strict Islam, even thought-crimes. Apostasy is a capital offense. So the killing of Muslim (hypocrites and apostates) by fellow Muslims has always come easy as a result. Yesterday, today and tomorrow. Muhammad’s companion and successor, the first Abu Bakr, killed Muslims by the thousands who tried to leave Islam, fear and the threat of death kept Islam together. All Islam is compulsion. Just as a Muslim is a slave to Allah and can question nothing Allah or Muhammad say, the entire institution of dhimmitude was a form of coercion and compulsion against non-Muslims, making life so oppressive and miserable Jews & Christians knew their subjugation and lowly status and perhaps would choose to change sides, convert, to live better– dhimma referring not just to the “protected” people (protected from being killed by Islam, provisionally) but to “guilty” people–guilty of being renegades from Allah (like ALL non-Muslims stand guilty) and guilty of rejecting the kind offer of Islam–in itself an act of war against Islam. As in all those referred to in verse 9:29 deserving all the righteous punishments of Allah carried out by the Slaves of Allah should they refuse Islam or refuse to live as subjugated, humiliated inferiors. Because ultimately dar al-Islam must subsume dar al-Harb, entirely. There is no reasoning with this person and like Humpty Dumpty, words mean just what they choose they should mean.

  • Daniel_Greenfield

    What context is killing Jews and Christians acceptable in? Oh right, you answered that question, as did Mo, when they don’t follow Islam or pay protection money to Mohammed.

    You’ll pardon me if I remain unimpressed by threats of hellfire from a third-rate copy of my religion that existed entirely so its warlord could pile up gold and rape women.

    Islam rejects the Creator. It worships the sword.

    The Creator gave us life. The only thing Islam gives anyone is death.