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	<title>Comments on: David Harsanyi Doesn&#8217;t Know What a Neo-Con Is, But He Knows He Hates Them</title>
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		<title>By: Texas Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Texas Patriot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2014 10:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Neoconservative is someone who spends so much time worrying about everyone else’s problems that he becomes totally unaware of his own!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Neoconservative is someone who spends so much time worrying about everyone else’s problems that he becomes totally unaware of his own!</p>
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		<title>By: Texas Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Texas Patriot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Goldwater&#039;s greatest strength was also his greatest weakness.  He really was an honest politician who cared about the health, wealth, and happiness of the American people, and he couldn&#039;t imagine that anyone would actually think of him in any other way.   As such, when he was portrayed by the Democrats as a madman and a war-monger who wanted to start WWIII, he was unable to respond to it effectively.  Basically, Goldwater had no chance against the Big Lie Machine of the Democrats, and the rest is history.   

Since then, it&#039;s been the Democrat Lie Machine versus the Republican Lie Machine, to the point that giving the truth to the American people about what is really happening to our nation is the last thing on anyone&#039;s mind.  As one of the articles now appearing on Front Page Magazine suggests, the overriding mantra of today is &quot;Just Win, Baby!&quot; The problem with that approach is that no matter which party wins, the American people lose.  

Unfortunately, unless and until we have another politician like Goldwater who is actually prepared to put the best interests of the American people ahead of party politics, nothing about that situation is likely to change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goldwater&#8217;s greatest strength was also his greatest weakness.  He really was an honest politician who cared about the health, wealth, and happiness of the American people, and he couldn&#8217;t imagine that anyone would actually think of him in any other way.   As such, when he was portrayed by the Democrats as a madman and a war-monger who wanted to start WWIII, he was unable to respond to it effectively.  Basically, Goldwater had no chance against the Big Lie Machine of the Democrats, and the rest is history.   </p>
<p>Since then, it&#8217;s been the Democrat Lie Machine versus the Republican Lie Machine, to the point that giving the truth to the American people about what is really happening to our nation is the last thing on anyone&#8217;s mind.  As one of the articles now appearing on Front Page Magazine suggests, the overriding mantra of today is &#8220;Just Win, Baby!&#8221; The problem with that approach is that no matter which party wins, the American people lose.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, unless and until we have another politician like Goldwater who is actually prepared to put the best interests of the American people ahead of party politics, nothing about that situation is likely to change.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfthatknowsall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wolfthatknowsall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2014 14:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Goldwater&#039;s loss in the &#039;64 Election was a wake-up call, and that&#039;s a fact.  I never took it for granted that a Republican would win the Presidency, ever again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goldwater&#8217;s loss in the &#8217;64 Election was a wake-up call, and that&#8217;s a fact.  I never took it for granted that a Republican would win the Presidency, ever again.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Texas Patriot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2014 08:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hahaha.  Our High School Young Republicans Club gave Johnson everything we had in Houston, because in our hearts we knew Goldwater was right!  I was out on election day after school going door-to-door, neighborhood to neighborhood in my &#039;57 Chevrolet, six cylinder, four-door Biscayne with no AC and no radio offering to give little old ladies rides to the polls.  We stayed at it until the polls closed.  I was shocked the next day to hear the news that Goldwater lost.  I couldn’t believe that a majority of the American people didn’t see things exactly the way I did.  ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha.  Our High School Young Republicans Club gave Johnson everything we had in Houston, because in our hearts we knew Goldwater was right!  I was out on election day after school going door-to-door, neighborhood to neighborhood in my &#8217;57 Chevrolet, six cylinder, four-door Biscayne with no AC and no radio offering to give little old ladies rides to the polls.  We stayed at it until the polls closed.  I was shocked the next day to hear the news that Goldwater lost.  I couldn’t believe that a majority of the American people didn’t see things exactly the way I did.  <img src="http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" class="wp-smiley" /> </p>
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		<title>By: Wolfthatknowsall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wolfthatknowsall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2014 04:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;  I was a Young Republican and campaigned actively for Barry Goldwater 
in 1964.  I was fifteen at the time, so that means I have seniority on 
you.  ;-)&lt;/i&gt;

:-)

I went door-to-door with my father in Chicago in 1964.  He let me do most of the talking!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>  I was a Young Republican and campaigned actively for Barry Goldwater<br />
in 1964.  I was fifteen at the time, so that means I have seniority on<br />
you.  <img src="http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" class="wp-smiley" /> </i><br />
 <img src="http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" class="wp-smiley" /> </p>
<p>I went door-to-door with my father in Chicago in 1964.  He let me do most of the talking!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Greenfield</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Greenfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2014 05:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know</p>
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		<title>By: wileyvet</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wileyvet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2014 04:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks. I didn&#039;t mean to sound snide or anything. I just kept hearing it used with such derisiveness in association with his administration post 9/11 and during the Iraq War. It invariably came from the left because I only heard it in the MSM.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. I didn&#8217;t mean to sound snide or anything. I just kept hearing it used with such derisiveness in association with his administration post 9/11 and during the Iraq War. It invariably came from the left because I only heard it in the MSM.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Texas Patriot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don’t think so at all.  I’ve yet to hear an authoritative definition of the term, but Neoconservatives seem to have little or no concern for the health, wealth, and happiness of the American people.  


Instead, Neoconservative policies seem to be characterized by (a) globalism including a constant involvement in any and all conflicts whether or not the interests of the American people are directly involved or whether the conflict represents a direct threat to the security of the United States; (b) multiculturalism, including massive immigration by foreign nationals with no concern as to whether the net result will be beneficial to the cultural harmony and peaceful coexistence of the American people; and (c) open borders, including the most lax border security of any major industrialized nation.  John McCain and Lindsay Graham seem to be the most prominent Neoconservatives in America today, and I can’t remember the last time I heard them talking about improving the competitiveness of American industry or raising the standard of living of the American people.  


Unfortunately, the net result of Neoconservative philosophies over the last fifty years is that America now has the worst educational system of any major industrialized nation, the most sedentary and obese population of any industrialized nation, the highest per capita health care expenditures of any industrialized nation, the worst record of losing jobs and entire industries to foreign competition of any industrialized nation, and the highest national debt of any industrialized nation.  Where is the benefit in any of that to the American people?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t think so at all.  I’ve yet to hear an authoritative definition of the term, but Neoconservatives seem to have little or no concern for the health, wealth, and happiness of the American people.  </p>
<p>Instead, Neoconservative policies seem to be characterized by (a) globalism including a constant involvement in any and all conflicts whether or not the interests of the American people are directly involved or whether the conflict represents a direct threat to the security of the United States; (b) multiculturalism, including massive immigration by foreign nationals with no concern as to whether the net result will be beneficial to the cultural harmony and peaceful coexistence of the American people; and (c) open borders, including the most lax border security of any major industrialized nation.  John McCain and Lindsay Graham seem to be the most prominent Neoconservatives in America today, and I can’t remember the last time I heard them talking about improving the competitiveness of American industry or raising the standard of living of the American people.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, the net result of Neoconservative philosophies over the last fifty years is that America now has the worst educational system of any major industrialized nation, the most sedentary and obese population of any industrialized nation, the highest per capita health care expenditures of any industrialized nation, the worst record of losing jobs and entire industries to foreign competition of any industrialized nation, and the highest national debt of any industrialized nation.  Where is the benefit in any of that to the American people?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Greenfield</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Greenfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The difference between a Conservative and a Neoconservative is that 
Conservatives care about people and Neoconservatives care only about 
power.&quot;

That&#039;s an emotional response, not a policy critique.

&quot;Unfortunately, Neoconservatives routinely debase the dignity of anyone 
who disagrees with them or represents any imaginable threat or obstacle 
to their unrelenting quest for power.&quot;

That&#039;s an ironic definition when used by someone defining political opponents by by debasing their dignity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The difference between a Conservative and a Neoconservative is that<br />
Conservatives care about people and Neoconservatives care only about<br />
power.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an emotional response, not a policy critique.</p>
<p>&#8220;Unfortunately, Neoconservatives routinely debase the dignity of anyone<br />
who disagrees with them or represents any imaginable threat or obstacle<br />
to their unrelenting quest for power.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an ironic definition when used by someone defining political opponents by by debasing their dignity.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Greenfield</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Greenfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some have used it that way which further confuses the issue]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some have used it that way which further confuses the issue</p>
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		<title>By: Texas Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Texas Patriot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 18:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I personally was completely in favor of going into Iraq because of the fact (a) that Saddam Hussein was in gross breach of the cease-fire agreement that left him in power after the Gulf War and (b) there was no certainty that he was not continuing to develop weapons of mass destruction including nuclear weapons.  Under those circumstances, I don’t think we had any alternative but to remove him from power, which our military accomplished with in a matter of weeks with a minimum number of American casualties.  


Where we went wrong is deciding to remain in Iraq as peacekeepers for the ostensible purpose of securing the Iraqi oil supplies.  Although the people of Iraq did in fact initially greet us as “liberators”, once they realized that we were there to stay and take control of their oil as “occupiers&quot;, they were all against us.  It was the worst example of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in American history.  If we had at that time pulled out of Iraq and turned our attention to defanging the mullahs of Iran, they would still be cheering us in Iraq today, and the Iranian nuclear threat would be non-existent.  


If you want a defining idea where the Neoconservative movement went astray, you need look no further than Iraq.  If we had stayed focused on our mission and left the oil wealth of the Iraqi people alone, we may well have created a beachhead of democracy in the middle east.  Greed killed any hope of that, and at this point in time, the American “brand” could not possibly be held in any lower esteem around the world.  After the horrors of Abu Ghraib, even the Russians look good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally was completely in favor of going into Iraq because of the fact (a) that Saddam Hussein was in gross breach of the cease-fire agreement that left him in power after the Gulf War and (b) there was no certainty that he was not continuing to develop weapons of mass destruction including nuclear weapons.  Under those circumstances, I don’t think we had any alternative but to remove him from power, which our military accomplished with in a matter of weeks with a minimum number of American casualties.  </p>
<p>Where we went wrong is deciding to remain in Iraq as peacekeepers for the ostensible purpose of securing the Iraqi oil supplies.  Although the people of Iraq did in fact initially greet us as “liberators”, once they realized that we were there to stay and take control of their oil as “occupiers&#8221;, they were all against us.  It was the worst example of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in American history.  If we had at that time pulled out of Iraq and turned our attention to defanging the mullahs of Iran, they would still be cheering us in Iraq today, and the Iranian nuclear threat would be non-existent.  </p>
<p>If you want a defining idea where the Neoconservative movement went astray, you need look no further than Iraq.  If we had stayed focused on our mission and left the oil wealth of the Iraqi people alone, we may well have created a beachhead of democracy in the middle east.  Greed killed any hope of that, and at this point in time, the American “brand” could not possibly be held in any lower esteem around the world.  After the horrors of Abu Ghraib, even the Russians look good.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfthatknowsall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wolfthatknowsall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 17:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really don&#039;t see what we&#039;re debating here.  We&#039;re on the same page regarding our treatment of other human beings.  

By the way, &lt;i&gt;The Conscience of a Conservative&lt;/i&gt; occupies an honored place in my study&#039;s bookshelves.  My father was a delegate to the 1964 GOP Convention, and he took me along (I was 14, at the time).  I sat next to him and listened to Mr. Goldwater&#039;s ... in my opinion ... stirring speech.



I do disagree with the absolutist statement you made about neoconservatives &quot;not seeing&quot; or &quot;choosing to ignore&quot; the humanity of others.  It reflects a refusal to acknowledge the humanity of those who once called themselves &quot;neoconservatives&quot;.


At any rate, there is no need to worry.  The movement is dead.  It died when American forces went into Iraq.  Those who supported it ... I didn&#039;t, though I wanted victory for the sake of the troops ... won&#039;t be elected to anything, in the foreseeable future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t see what we&#8217;re debating here.  We&#8217;re on the same page regarding our treatment of other human beings.  </p>
<p>By the way, <i>The Conscience of a Conservative</i> occupies an honored place in my study&#8217;s bookshelves.  My father was a delegate to the 1964 GOP Convention, and he took me along (I was 14, at the time).  I sat next to him and listened to Mr. Goldwater&#8217;s &#8230; in my opinion &#8230; stirring speech.</p>
<p>I do disagree with the absolutist statement you made about neoconservatives &#8220;not seeing&#8221; or &#8220;choosing to ignore&#8221; the humanity of others.  It reflects a refusal to acknowledge the humanity of those who once called themselves &#8220;neoconservatives&#8221;.</p>
<p>At any rate, there is no need to worry.  The movement is dead.  It died when American forces went into Iraq.  Those who supported it &#8230; I didn&#8217;t, though I wanted victory for the sake of the troops &#8230; won&#8217;t be elected to anything, in the foreseeable future.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Texas Patriot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 17:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is possible to disagree with the ideas of someone without debasing their dignity as a human being, but that is a line which most Neoconservatives either (a) don’t see, or (b) choose to ignore.  And let me remind you, the word “debase” is not my term. It is the term used by Barry Goldwater in his book &lt;i&gt;The Conscience of a Conservative&lt;/i&gt;:

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;The conscience of the Conservative is pricked by anyone who would debase the dignity of the individual human being.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;



Individual human dignity and individual human freedom are the hallmarks of American Conservatism, and the right of all Americans to formulate and express their own opinions free from debasing and demeaning personal attacks should be the absolute and indispensable right of all American citizens.  


As ideological heirs of Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Barry Goldwater, we don’t have to like the ideas of our political opponents, much less agree with them, but we do owe them a basic respect for their dignity as human beings if we want to call ourselves American Conservatives.  And that quality of basic human respect is what the American Conservative Movement has lost today.  Whether we can get it back remains to be seen.


One thing seems clear above all things.  An Authentic American Conservative must first be an Authentic Human Being, and that requires recognizing that none of us has all the answers, and each of us can learn something from everybody else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is possible to disagree with the ideas of someone without debasing their dignity as a human being, but that is a line which most Neoconservatives either (a) don’t see, or (b) choose to ignore.  And let me remind you, the word “debase” is not my term. It is the term used by Barry Goldwater in his book <i>The Conscience of a Conservative</i>:</p>
<p><b><i>The conscience of the Conservative is pricked by anyone who would debase the dignity of the individual human being.</i></b></p>
<p>Individual human dignity and individual human freedom are the hallmarks of American Conservatism, and the right of all Americans to formulate and express their own opinions free from debasing and demeaning personal attacks should be the absolute and indispensable right of all American citizens.  </p>
<p>As ideological heirs of Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Barry Goldwater, we don’t have to like the ideas of our political opponents, much less agree with them, but we do owe them a basic respect for their dignity as human beings if we want to call ourselves American Conservatives.  And that quality of basic human respect is what the American Conservative Movement has lost today.  Whether we can get it back remains to be seen.</p>
<p>One thing seems clear above all things.  An Authentic American Conservative must first be an Authentic Human Being, and that requires recognizing that none of us has all the answers, and each of us can learn something from everybody else.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfthatknowsall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wolfthatknowsall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I said, &quot;... intention.&quot;  

You keep using the term &quot;debase&quot;.  I simply disagree with Dr. Paul, and I certainly disagree with the Left.  Is this debasing?  If so, then I am guilty ...

Debase simply means to degrade something in value.  I can disagree with someone without degrading them, as a human.  Is this not possible?

I&#039;m disagreeing with you, today, but am I &quot;debasing&quot; you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said, &#8220;&#8230; intention.&#8221;  </p>
<p>You keep using the term &#8220;debase&#8221;.  I simply disagree with Dr. Paul, and I certainly disagree with the Left.  Is this debasing?  If so, then I am guilty &#8230;</p>
<p>Debase simply means to degrade something in value.  I can disagree with someone without degrading them, as a human.  Is this not possible?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m disagreeing with you, today, but am I &#8220;debasing&#8221; you?</p>
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		<title>By: Texas Patriot</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;The closest that I have ever come to &quot;debasing&quot; the political ideas of anyone ... besides the Left, and I freely debase them and their ideas ... is Dr. Paul.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

If you are now saying that you “freely debase &lt;i&gt;them&lt;/i&gt; and their ideas”  So much for these statements:

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;I have never seen the &quot;debasing&quot; of political opponents that you speak of.

 I can truthfully say that I never had the slightest intention of &quot;debasing&quot; anyone.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;



As Barry Goldwater pointed out, the problem with thinking it is alright to debase the dignity of an individual human being &lt;i&gt;for any reason&lt;/i&gt; is that you immediately cross the line into the kind of inhuman nihilism and totalitarianism that America, in the words of Abraham Lincoln, is the “last best hope of the earth” for purposes of standing against it.  If Americans can no longer find it within themselves to respect the human dignity of their fellow countrymen who happen also to be their political opponents, it is truly the case that we have already gone beyond the last point of no return.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><i>The closest that I have ever come to &#8220;debasing&#8221; the political ideas of anyone &#8230; besides the Left, and I freely debase them and their ideas &#8230; is Dr. Paul.</i></b></p>
<p>If you are now saying that you “freely debase <i>them</i> and their ideas”  So much for these statements:</p>
<p><b><i>I have never seen the &#8220;debasing&#8221; of political opponents that you speak of.</p>
<p> I can truthfully say that I never had the slightest intention of &#8220;debasing&#8221; anyone.</i></b></p>
<p>As Barry Goldwater pointed out, the problem with thinking it is alright to debase the dignity of an individual human being <i>for any reason</i> is that you immediately cross the line into the kind of inhuman nihilism and totalitarianism that America, in the words of Abraham Lincoln, is the “last best hope of the earth” for purposes of standing against it.  If Americans can no longer find it within themselves to respect the human dignity of their fellow countrymen who happen also to be their political opponents, it is truly the case that we have already gone beyond the last point of no return.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 17:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Are you saying that the foreign policy of Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger was not Neoconservative?&lt;/i&gt;

It was not.  The term wasn&#039;t even coined until Irving Krystal did so, and that was long after Mr. Nixon left office.

As to the other, hubris is a possibility, but we did win the Cold War, and had some right to spread democratic values, while the chance presented itself (I was in favor of starting the process with a ticker-tape victory parade in New York City, myself).  We had a right to believe that American exceptionalism had overcome the greatest threat to freedom that the world had ever known.

Vietnam stretched the Soviet economy, and Afghanistan brought it to the brink.  Mr. Reagan pushed them over the precipice, partly in response to the ideas in Nixon&#039;s book &lt;i&gt;The Real War&lt;/i&gt;.  

There was a great opportunity for the West with the USSR&#039;s fall, and it was squandered.

Communism failed.  American values prevailed.  It was my belief that without the resort to military force, but with great military power, those values could spread.  Hubris, perhaps.  But one must take opportunities when they come.  It would be a failure of conscience not to do so ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Are you saying that the foreign policy of Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger was not Neoconservative?</i></p>
<p>It was not.  The term wasn&#8217;t even coined until Irving Krystal did so, and that was long after Mr. Nixon left office.</p>
<p>As to the other, hubris is a possibility, but we did win the Cold War, and had some right to spread democratic values, while the chance presented itself (I was in favor of starting the process with a ticker-tape victory parade in New York City, myself).  We had a right to believe that American exceptionalism had overcome the greatest threat to freedom that the world had ever known.</p>
<p>Vietnam stretched the Soviet economy, and Afghanistan brought it to the brink.  Mr. Reagan pushed them over the precipice, partly in response to the ideas in Nixon&#8217;s book <i>The Real War</i>.  </p>
<p>There was a great opportunity for the West with the USSR&#8217;s fall, and it was squandered.</p>
<p>Communism failed.  American values prevailed.  It was my belief that without the resort to military force, but with great military power, those values could spread.  Hubris, perhaps.  But one must take opportunities when they come.  It would be a failure of conscience not to do so &#8230;</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wolfthatknowsall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 17:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; &quot;It’s absolutely toxic, antithetical, and counterproductive to the 
proper functioning of democratic free speech, and it has no legitimate 
place in the American marketplace of ideas.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;


The closest that I have ever come to &quot;debasing&quot; the political ideas of anyone ... besides the Left, and I freely debase them and their ideas ... is Dr. Paul.  And this is in spite of the fact that I admire him, for the most part.  We simply cannot have a meeting of the minds on military and foreign policy (and so, despite my admiration for him, I could not vote for him).



I was under the impression that there is always a place for the free expressions of ideas, in America.  It&#039;s what the nation is all about, and I fought for those ideals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> &#8220;It’s absolutely toxic, antithetical, and counterproductive to the<br />
proper functioning of democratic free speech, and it has no legitimate<br />
place in the American marketplace of ideas.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The closest that I have ever come to &#8220;debasing&#8221; the political ideas of anyone &#8230; besides the Left, and I freely debase them and their ideas &#8230; is Dr. Paul.  And this is in spite of the fact that I admire him, for the most part.  We simply cannot have a meeting of the minds on military and foreign policy (and so, despite my admiration for him, I could not vote for him).</p>
<p>I was under the impression that there is always a place for the free expressions of ideas, in America.  It&#8217;s what the nation is all about, and I fought for those ideals.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Texas Patriot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Neoconservatism ... primarily ... was an outgrowth of the fall of the Soviet Union, when the United States was clearly the most powerful nation on earth, economically and militarily. The US was not an &quot;empire&quot;, but had the power and influence of one&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;


Are you saying that the foreign policy of Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger was not Neoconservative?

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Neoconservatives, including myself, believed that the time was ripe to spread American values to wherever they would, much as Roman values and government spread wherever Rome had gone. Would there be Christianity, today, without the Roman Empire? This was the basic theory.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;



Is it now possible, retrospect, for you to see that there might have been a rather large element of self-righteous hubris, ignorance, and outright moral blindness wrapped up in the idea that we could &quot;spread American values&quot; by military force?  If the ultimate American value is the right of any people to determine their own destiny, under what logical construct were you operating to suppose that military force was the way to go about that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><i>Neoconservatism &#8230; primarily &#8230; was an outgrowth of the fall of the Soviet Union, when the United States was clearly the most powerful nation on earth, economically and militarily. The US was not an &#8220;empire&#8221;, but had the power and influence of one</i></b></p>
<p>Are you saying that the foreign policy of Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger was not Neoconservative?</p>
<p><b><i>Neoconservatives, including myself, believed that the time was ripe to spread American values to wherever they would, much as Roman values and government spread wherever Rome had gone. Would there be Christianity, today, without the Roman Empire? This was the basic theory.</i></b></p>
<p>Is it now possible, retrospect, for you to see that there might have been a rather large element of self-righteous hubris, ignorance, and outright moral blindness wrapped up in the idea that we could &#8220;spread American values&#8221; by military force?  If the ultimate American value is the right of any people to determine their own destiny, under what logical construct were you operating to suppose that military force was the way to go about that?</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wolfthatknowsall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For myself, I am absolutely opposed to open borders, and if I had my way about it, no Muslims would get into this country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For myself, I am absolutely opposed to open borders, and if I had my way about it, no Muslims would get into this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Texas Patriot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 16:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WTKA:  &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;I have never seen the &quot;debasing&quot; of political opponents that you speak of. Note that I was once close to the summit of the movement. I may have been a &quot;kinder, gentler&quot; neoconservative, but I really don&#039;t remember it.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

I’ve never known you to be like that, but you must be wearing some pretty serious blinders not to see it going on all around you more or less all of the time from every point of view of the political spectrum. It’s absolutely toxic, antithetical, and counterproductive to the proper functioning of democratic free speech, and it has no legitimate place in the American marketplace of ideas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTKA:  <b><i>I have never seen the &#8220;debasing&#8221; of political opponents that you speak of. Note that I was once close to the summit of the movement. I may have been a &#8220;kinder, gentler&#8221; neoconservative, but I really don&#8217;t remember it.</i></b></p>
<p>I’ve never known you to be like that, but you must be wearing some pretty serious blinders not to see it going on all around you more or less all of the time from every point of view of the political spectrum. It’s absolutely toxic, antithetical, and counterproductive to the proper functioning of democratic free speech, and it has no legitimate place in the American marketplace of ideas.</p>
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