Defund the UNRWA

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century.


UNRWA-bags-of-building-material-in-Gaza-tunnels-Photo-IDF-300x225The UNRWA is on the front lines of the Hamas War in Gaza. In the headlines, its schools are forever being fired on or found to be stockpiling rockets. If individual Gazans are being used as human shields, the UNRWA often seems as if it is one big organizational human shield.

But the UNRWA isn’t Hamas’ human shield. The UNRWA is Hamas.

The “UN” part of the UNRWA, the blue logos and symbols, fool us into thinking of it as an international humanitarian organization. But the UNRWA in Gaza functions as a large Palestinian Arab organization with a smattering of foreign supervisory staff.

And those foreign staffers often tend to leave during a conflict.

The UNRWA is not an international organization operating in the Middle East. Effectively it’s a local Arab Muslim organization funded and regulated internationally. Since the UNRWA classifies 80% of Gazans as “refugees”, it administers the biggest welfare state in the world on their behalf.

The UNRWA is the biggest employer in the West Bank and Gaza after the Palestinian Authority and the vast majority of its employees are “locally recruited”. Varying figures place the share of local employees at between 90 and 99 percent.

Even though there are more Arab Muslims living in the West Bank than in Gaza, there are more “official” refugees in Gaza, which means that more UNRWA funding and efforts are directed there. The UNRWA only runs 96 schools in the West Bank, but it runs 245 schools in Gaza. It employs less than 3,000 education staffers in the West Bank, but over 10,000 in Gaza.

Why does Hamas, which is obsessed with brainwashing the next generation into martyrdom, allow a foreign organization to run an educational system for 232,000 pupils?

It’s because in Gaza, Hamas and the UNRWA are the same thing.

The UNRWA’s Gaza staff has its own union. In the 2012 election, a pro-Hamas bloc won the support of most of the union with 25 out of 27 seats on a union board.

When there was talk of reforming the UNRWA by removing Hamas members from its ranks, the editor of a Hamas paper wrote that, “Laying off the agency employees because of their political affiliation means laying off all the employees of the aid agency, because…they are all members of the ‘resistance,’ in its various forms.”

The official word from Hamas was that it and the UNRWA are the same thing. The UNRWA’s vast majority of locally sourced Gazans are part of Hamas.

The UNRWA does not see that as a problem.

“I am sure that there are Hamas members on the UNRWA payroll,” a former UNRWA Commissioner General said, “and I don’t see that as a crime.”

“Hamas as a political organization does not mean that every member is a militant, and we do not do political vetting and exclude people from one persuasion as against another,” he added.

Also if the UNRWA fired Hamas members from its Gaza staff, it would have no one left.

Hamas control over the UNRWA in Gaza is reflected in the schools which promote Islamic terrorism. UNRWA schools have become flashpoints in conflicts between Israel and Hamas because the UNRWA schools are Hamas bases of recruitment and operation.

The current accusations and counter-accusations over attacks on and from UNRWA schools are a reenactment of the same set of events taking place in 2009. Only the locations and the names have changed. The same headlines, “Israeli shelling kills dozens at UN school in Gaza,” and “Massacre of Innocents as UN school is shelled” are repeating all over again.

Then, as now, Hamas launched attacks on Israeli forces from around a UNRWA school. Then it turned out that the attack had happened outside the school and no one had actually died inside the school. Nothing has changed since then. The “massacres” in which Hamas terrorists using UNRWA schools as a base are killed pop up in every paper. The UNRWA repeats the same lies.

Then it “discovers” Hamas rockets in three of its schools. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg because every UNRWA school is a Hamas school.

The UNRWA has admitted that Hamas uses its schools to store rockets. It admits that it has Hamas members in its ranks. It admits that rockets have been fired “into Israel from the vicinity of UN facilities and residential areas.”

What it refuses to admit is that it should in any way be held accountable for functioning as an arm of a terrorist organization.

If an organization consists largely of Hamas members who use it pursue Hamas goals, then the organization is Hamas.

The UNRWA is Hamas.

Hamas use of the UNRWA as its public face is a war crime, but terrorists commit war crimes without a second thought. The UN and the UNRWA however are complicit in the war crime by allowing Hamas to go on exploiting the UN brand.

Hamas is listed as a Foreign Terrorist Organization. It’s against the law for the United States to fund it. By funding the UNRWA, the United States is paying Hamas and participating in its war crimes. Using civilian and humanitarian facilities for military purposes is a war crime. Using them to stage attacks against civilians by attackers out of uniform adds further crimes to the total.

The United States provided $130 million to the UNRWA in 2013. The UNRWA’s operations in Gaza would not be viable without that money.

When Kerry visited Gaza in 2009, the UNRWA’s Gaza chief passed along a letter to him from Hamas. The incident showed that not only was the locally recruited staff working for Hamas, but the UNRWA leadership was clearly cooperating with the terrorist group.

The original “refugees” that the UNRWA was set up to cater to are for the most part dead. The UNRWA has become another UN boondoggle funding a welfare state for “refugee camps” that are older, bigger and more developed than many Middle Eastern cities.

UNRWA staff act as terrorists when they use UNRWA facilities for military purposes, but then switch back to UNRWA when Israel fights back. Hamas carries out attacks. The UNRWA demands ceasefires. Hamas uses UNRWA schools and the UNRWA denounces Israel when an attack happens.

The UNRWA has become the mask that Hamas wears.

It’s a tactical asset for a terrorist group that empowers its human shield strategy. The UNRWA is not only endangering Israeli civilians, but it is also endangering Gazans who are exploited as human shields by members of a terrorist group masquerading as the staff of an international humanitarian organization.

This issue has come up before and the UNRWA’s long record of evasions and denials, admitting the substance of the claims about the Hamas takeover of the UNRWA, while insisting that its Hamas members are neutral and that all the rocket stores and rocket attacks around UNRWA facilities are unrelated to the Hamas members on its staff, are not good enough anymore.

The United States should not be in the business of funding the corruption of young minds. Money should not be taken from American schools to fund the spread of hatred and terrorism.

It’s time to defund the UNRWA.

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  • steelraptor from Saturn

    This article does not go far enough, ignores the roots of the rotten tree, focusing instead on the rotten branches. Defund the UN, the whole UN. It is rotten to the bone. The UNWRA is the symptom. The UN is the problem. Look at the UNHRC. It’s all bad. All of it. All of the time. The UN as a whole, never mind the UN Rocket Warehousing Agency.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      You’re right but focusing on UNRWA does help illustrate just how absurd the UN can get.

    • wildjew

      I am not optimistic the US will pull out of or defund the United Nations. Americans elected a dangerous Muslim born president with deep sympathies for Islam and the jihad, especially the jihad against Israel. At best Americans are conflicted about Israel’s war effort in Gaza, as halting as it has been. At worse, many Americans sympathize with the Palestinians. Israel’s leaders seek to placate this Hamas sympathizer in the White House to their own hurt.

      • 1Indioviejo1

        In 2016 we will need a T-Party President or we are sunk. The viciously Anti American Obama has done more harm to America and the world in 6 years than FDR did in 4 terms. It is a disgrace that this most generous and kind nation has citizens who think so little of their own country and elected this animal twice.

        • dgala

          I don’t disagree with you 1Indi – but you might want to keep that life jacket close and handy. I don’t see us getting out of this one.
          Also keep the three B’s handy – Bible, Beans & Bullets. Probably going to need them in the not so distant future. Hope I’m wrong, but…….

          • 1Indioviejo1

            I have known this is going to go from bad to worse, and believe me I have always been ready. I got my training in Fort Benning in 1965 and practiced extensively in Nam.
            I believe our republic is in mortal danger form the DemonRat commies, and the RINO sell outs, who both can’t find a Muslim they don’t love. With Obama it is carnal.

      • Evermyrtle

        We are in the last days of the existence of the universe because of the evil which threatens to destroy it. To save HIS people the following scriptures will be fulfilled:

        1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
        13. But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, (dead) that e sorrow not, even as other which have no hope.
        14. For if we believe that JESUS died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in JESUS will GOD bring with HIM
        15. For this we say unto you by the WORD OF THE LORD, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming fo the LORD shall not prevent them which are asleep.
        16. For the LORD himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of GOD: and the dead in CHRIST shall rise first.
        17.Then we whicha re alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the LORD in the air: and so shall we ever be with the LORD.
        18. Wherefore comfort on another with these words.

        The millions who sneer at GOD’S WORD will not change one word of HOS WORD.

    • Americana

      UN is like a new vehicle model. It might have teething problems in development, but those can be fixed. The model becomes a classic. We must support the UN and the UNRWAs during these tough times.

      • Habbgun

        Are your sure about that? Isn’t the UN general motors and UNRWA a nameplate? And why don’t they put more advertising into the brand? Wouldn’t it be cool if they got rid of the boring blue helmets and wore mohawks or something?

        Of course you old style commies just want helmets and goose stepping soviet troops so you’ll keep the blue helmets. Blah.

        • Americana

          Habbsurdity will travel.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Briticana will travel to Gaza for a little Human Shield Dome work for Hamass?

          • Webb

            Idiotic old slunt.

      • Gee

        The UN is a Yugo and you are a moron

        • Americana

          Does a ‘Moron’ come in maroon? How ’bout leather seats?

          • truebearing

            Don’t know about the seats, and don’t want to, but it has a leather head.

          • Americana

            Well, your own model either has implants or electronics to keep its performance up to snuff.

          • Habbgun

            You wear leather? That must be an ugly sight. How many poor horses did they have to kill?

          • Webb

            Americunta’s got leather walls.

        • Americana

          When you have an organization like GM that has killed people due to faulty ignition switches on the Chevrolet Cobalts, Pontiac G5, or Pontiac Pursuit, you fix the organization.
          You mend it, don’t end it
          If the organization has a culture that encourages serial fvckups, you work with the organization to make it better as long as it takes. Even if it takes several generations or 100 years or more.
          You can’t make an omelet without breaking some eggs.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Briticana has a head full of faulty neural switches.

      • Americana

        Ah, the ‘Americana’ who’s not quite the real thing. This one has got some of the modeling but none of the nuances of the ‘real’ Americana. The REAL Americana, better in RED, BETTER READ.

        • Habbgun

          Nah.. I like Americana grey….talks great commie style straight….all hail Americana Grey….the People’s Choice for Americana!!!!

        • truebearing

          Yet another instance of identity confusion surrounding you. It seems that you are the pivotal person in all three of the identity games that have happened on FPM, whether someone is supposedly imitating you, or you someone else. That is a pattern.

          • Americana

            Please try to rein in your bullpuckey. Just as on Jihad Watch where persons invented personas and tried to claim they were me, the same game is being played here. Since I’ve informed all of you that the fake ‘Americana’ can only post under a GREY NAME, it should be obvious who’s who and what’s what from here on out. You want to be proud of your propaganda games, go ahead.

      • Wolfthatknowsall

        The UN was born four years before me. The Communist Alger Hiss was the organizing Secretary-General, in San Francisco.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alger_Hiss

        My teething problems were over about 63 years ago. What ever happened to the UN.

        We didn’t listen to the John Birch Society, for decades, because they were supposed to be “extreme” … left-talk for anyone they disagree with. But I like this view:

        The US out of the UN, and the UN out of the US

  • truebearing

    UNRWA… United Nations Rockets and Weapons Agency for Palestine. Obama funds this group, but then why wouldn’t he? He is a transnationalist whether you think he is a Muslim or a Marxist, and the UN is run by both.

    UNRWA is an international political franchise. This is how the UN squanders our money. Pretending to be an international orgnisation for peace, they take sides in conflicts, fund those they politically agree with, and then posture mightily over the human rights violations they created, all in an effort to demonize non-compliant nations. Israel is their favorite target, but the US will be next.

    The UN is becoming a sinister global government with an ideological agenda and increasing appetite for power. The biggest priority of that agenda is to progressively increase the vulnerability of Israel…with a major assist from Obama. UNRWA should be defunded, and the US should stop giving the UN any money whatsoever. Without the UN, Hamas would be history.

    • The March Hare

      And how many times has the UN wanted to impose an international tax?

      • truebearing

        They are a government without an effective military threat, but that could change quickly if Obama and Soros succeed in ceding US sovereingty to the UN. Obama began that process from the very beginning of his first term, and is still at it.

        • Americana

          Now this, I’ve gotta read about… Please post some links.

          • truebearing

            Look up the agenda of the Open Society Institute. You know, George Soros’ international flagship organisation that is working toward a global government. In fact, they are closely tied with another Soros funded and controlled group known as The Center for American Progress. You know all about them, don’t you. They are Obama’s real administration.

            Open borders is one of the key elements of the Soros agenda, as is flooding the US with illiterate illegal aliens that will give the Left a permanent super majority. Obama is carrying that out as you lose this debate.

        • Anamah

          True… I find Daniel’s article formidable!
          He just hits the target.
          UNRWA is a huge Hamas scam… to perpetuate and fund antisemitic terrorism.
          It must to be dismantled and totally defund.
          Thank you Daniel! Excellent work!

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    • Americana

      Without the U.N., Hamas would still be operating as Hamas. Did the Irgun and the Haganah operate under U.N. auspices? No, they didn’t. They simply went about their liberation business. and Hamas is doing approximately the very same thing. Or they would do the very same thing if they were cut off from aid because that’s how liberation armies work. You can’t starve them of funding and guarantee crushing them out of existence. The U.N. is no more a “sinister global government” w/an “increasing appetite for power” than the White House is a proxy Israeli government, a home away from home.

      Once again truebearing tries to cajole us w/such threats as the following. truebearing claims that not only is the U.S. supposedly in imminent danger of Islamist terrorists infiltrating us en masse but we’re also going to be the target of claims of humans rights abuses by the U.N. because, after all, it’s a “sinister global government w/an ideological agenda and increasing appetite for power.” (Pssst, we already are a U.N. target for Gitmo.)

      What happened over the past 96 hours? Israel was RESUPPLIED w/AMMUNITION by the U.S. and the Palestinian Authority received $47 MILLION of AID. I’d say there’s a certain impartiality in that equation.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/31/us-mideast-gaza-usa-pentagon-idUSKBN0G022120140731

      From the above link:

      The White House reiterated its position that it was Israel’s right to defend itself and described the resupply of ammunition disclosed as the fighting raged this week as “routine.”

      White House spokesman Josh Earnest rejected suggestions that resupplying the Israelis might prolong the conflict, saying it was “part of a routine foreign military sales delivery.”

      • Gee

        What a load of BS. Haganah did not commit a single act of terrorism EVER. As for Irgun – it seems those acts that were called terrorism actually weren’t terrorism at all.

        So your claims are as moronic as the rest of your lies.

        Considering that the concrete used by Hamas was supplied by UNRWA that does mean that Hamas would not be able to afford any weapons or tunnels without the UN.

        Again you are a liar.

        You compare a liberal democratic country to terrorist organizations tells us that you have no morals at all.

        You would be a perfect apologist for the Nazis.

        • Americana

          The fact I call terrorism exactly what it is makes me simply someone interested in not suffering the propaganda fog others like to use to shroud the facts. The Irgan and Haganah didn’t commit international terrorist acts? Read the following and then let’s resume the conversation.
          _____________________________________________________

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_insurgency_in_Palestin

          In addition to the militant campaign in Palestine, Irgun and Lehi attacked British targets in Europe and launched bombing attacks Britain itself. In late 1946 and early 1947, Irgun carried out a series of sabotage attacks on British Army transportation routes in occupied Germany. At around the same time, an attempt was made by Lehi to drop a bomb on the House of Commons from a chartered plane flown from France; this attempt was stopped just before it was to be carried out, when French police discovered Lehi members preparing to cross the English Channel in a plane that was found to be carrying a large bomb. In October 1946, Lehi bombed the British Embassy in Rome, injuring three people. A number of bombs exploded in London, including one at London’s Colonial Club, an establishment catering to soldiers and students from British colonies in Africa and the West Indies. The bombing caused no fatalities but injured some servicemen. An attempt was also made to destroy the Colonial Office in London with a large bomb, which malfunctioned after its timer broke. According to a senior police official, it would have caused a death rate similar to that of the King David Hotel bombing had it gone off. Some 21 letter bombs were addressed to senior British political figures, including Prime Minister Clement Attlee and Foreign Secretary Ernest Bevin. Many were intercepted, while others reached their targets but were discovered before they could go off.[53][54][50][51] An Irgun explosives factory was also discovered in London.

          During the British Mandate period the area experienced the ascent of two major nationalist movements, one among the Jews and the other among the Arabs. The competing national interests of the Arab and Jewish populations of Palestine against both each other and the governing British authorities matured into the Arab Revolt of 1936–1939 and the Jewish insurgency in Palestinebefore culminating in the Civil War of 1947–1948. The aftermath of the Civil War and the consequentArab-Israeli War of 1948 led to the establishment of the 1949 cease-fire agreement, with partition of the former Mandatory Palestine between the newborn state of Israel with a Jewish majority, the West Bank annexed by the Jordanian Kingdom and the Arab All-Palestine Government in the Gaza Strip under the military occupation of Egypt.

          The Jewish Lehi (Fighters for the Freedom of Israel) and Irgun (National Military Organization) movements initiated violent uprisings against the British Mandate in 1940, in the former case, and in 1939, briefly, and 1944, for longer and on a larger scale, in the latter. On 6 November 1944, Eliyahu Hakim and Eliyahu Bet Zuri (members of Lehi) assassinated Lord Moyne in Cairo. Moyne was the British Minister of State for the Middle East and the assassination is said by some to have turned British Prime Minister Winston Churchill against the Zionist cause. After the assassination of Lord Moyne, the Haganah kidnapped, interrogated, and turned over to the British many members of the Irgun (“The Hunting Season”), and the Jewish Agency Executive decided on a series of measures against “terrorist organizations” in Palestine.[36] Irgun ordered its members not to resist or retaliate with violence, so as to prevent a civil war. The three main Jewish underground forces later united to form the Jewish Resistance Movement and carry out several terrorist attacks and bombings against the British administration. In 1946, the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, the headquarters of the British administration, killing 92 people. Following the bombing, the British Government began interning illegal Jewish immigrants in Cyprus. In 1948 the Lehi assassinated the UN mediator Count Bernadotte in Jerusalem. Yitzak Shamir, future prime minister of Israel was one of the conspirators.

          The negative publicity resulting from the situation in Palestine caused the Mandate to become widely unpopular in Britain. The British Labour party, before assuming government, had passed a conference motion promising to remove the 1939 White Paper restrictions on Jewish emigration to Palestine, but reneged on this promise once in office. Anti-British Jewish insurgency increased and the situation required the presence of over 100,000 British troops in the country. Following the failure of Zionist and Arab representatives to reach agreement over the future of Palestine, the British announced their desire to terminate the mandate and withdraw by no later than the beginning of August 1948.

          __________________________________________________________________

          http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/feb/07/palestine-how-bad-and-good-was-british-rule/

          From the review of this book:

          Hadara Lazar has written a remarkable book dedicated not so much to the British Mandate as to some of the people who were strongly involved with it. The book first appeared in Hebrew in 1990, under the telling title The Mandatorians: The Land of Israel 1940–1948, and has now been published in English under the rather misleading title Out of Palestine: The Making of Modern Israel. It consists of interviews with British, Jews, and Arabs who recount life in Palestine under the British Mandate in its last eight years.

          How did the British administrators view the two sides when they returned home to Britain? Sir Harold Beeley, who was, among other things, a Middle East adviser to then Foreign Minister Ernest Bevin and who, like his boss, was a staunch anti-Zionist, tells Lazar: “The majority of people who went to Palestine when it was under British rule went on the whole with sympathy for the Zionists, who were progressive, modern, European, and came home with sympathy for the Arabs.” He added:

          I suppose they thought that the Arabs were the indigenous people and that the Jewish claim was historically not terribly convincing. This is the big divide. The Jewish people on the whole take the connection with Palestine for granted. They regard it as a basic truth that it is wrong to challenge.

          I think this description of a shift is an accurate assessment of what happened to most British high officials, with one glaring exception noted by Beeley himself: Richard Crossman. Crossman was one of the most articulate leftist intellectuals of the Labour Party and a minister of housing in Harold Wilson’s government in the 1960s. At the time he was perhaps the most important member of the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, which examined the situation in Palestine in 1946. “Crossman was a friend of mine,” says Beeley. “He set off without strong feelings for either side, and he came off rather a convinced Zionist. What converted him was, I don’t think it was the camps, what determined Crossman’s final attitude was the kibbutzim, the socialist character of the Jewish community.”

          • truebearing

            What if your Wikipedia source was biased against Israel? It is a highly corrupt source of information, especially on political topics…oh, that’s right. That is why you use it. Kind of like using Reuters or Josh Earnst.

            You aren’t fooling anyone, with the possible exception of yourself. And by the way, are you still contending that Israel maintaining checkpoints and causing inconvenience is worse than Hamas murdering innocent Israelis? That was some truly deranged stuff you wrote yesterday.

          • Americana

            No, that’s not why I use Wikipedia. It’s got more CONCISE articles on such subjects instead of getting out books and typing in 3 pages of the information myself. Wiki entries that ARE DISPUTED by whomever are noted as being disputed.

          • truebearing

            Since when were you opposed to long, interminable postings? Aren’t facts and the truth more important? And there are other sources on the internet that are far more reliable and objective. You use sources that support your positions, which just happen to be anti-semitic. It’s really quite simple. Don’t try to complicate things.

          • Americana

            I’ve got no problem w/writing long posts. What I’ve got an issue w/is you demanding I write long passages out of COPYRIGHTED BOOKS just to satisfy your specious demands for veracity. If a Wiki entry is CONTESTED, there is a notation on the page entry. If it’s not contested, then it’s generally a relatively clean piece of information. If you prefer, I can certainly find the identical information from English archival sources on the Irgun and Haganah terrorist attacks that took place in the U.K. and Europe.

          • truebearing

            “What I’ve got an issue w/is you demanding I write long passages out of COPYRIGHTED BOOKS just to satisfy your specious demands for veracity.”

            What is a “specious demand for veracity?” That makes no sense, as opposed to your usual offerings which make little sense.

          • Americana

            Why should you believe something from a book anymore than any other source? Most people cannot immediately get their hands on the precise book someone might be mentioning and look up the relevant chapters. I’d say considering the challenges that go on, that in most rapid fire on line debates, Wiki or another such data source is more often mentioned than are books. I could certainly start piling all my Middle East books right next to my graphic design computer if that’s more accepted.

            At least w/Wiki, you can IMMEDIATELY go to the Wiki page, look at the footnotes and other attributions, track the attributions, challenge the attributions, and, BLAM, you then shoot a note to the Wiki editors if you detect errors.

          • Drakken

            You got more excuses than Heinz got pickles, nice try Sparky and thanks for playing. You still know jacksh*t about nothing.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            LOL, good call.

          • Drakken

            Your concise articles are straight out of the leftist propaganda ministry and your effing dumber than a bag of hammers for falling for it.

          • Americana

            Drakken, I’d use a little more finesse and tons more facts when attempting to hammer your points home via rugged male chauvinism. It makes the military tough guy routine lots more palatable if you go for a little more brainy, or briney, if you’re one of the pickled soused Bourbonic ones.

          • Drakken

            Honey your facts are wiki related and from leftist sites, therefore unreliable and the fact that you use them says you know jacksh*t about the subject matter. Now add into the mix your decidedly leftist bent, and whala, moral equivalence up the azz with zero distinction.

          • Americana

            It’s not all Wiki-sourced. I’ve got friends in Israel and I’ve had a sister who’s been all over the Middle East, first in the oil business and then as a college professor. I know a great many of our local Marine and National Guard guys and gals who’ve gone over w/the various deployments we’ve had from this region. Lenny was in Israel for university and still rotates as a professor there off and on. You’d love it if I was simply a peace nut and that’s not the case. More trouble for you.

          • Drakken

            My advice honey is simple, take a year off and come on over and see it with you own two eyes because hearing about is a far cry from experiencing it. Once you touch it, taste it and see it. It will be far different than taking it on credit.

          • Americana

            Drakken, you must have forgotten that I went through the Middle East 20 years ago. The only thing I think I missed out on is being caught in a war zone. (However, journalist buddies did and do get caught in them because they go over there regularly.) I’ve worn a burka and various types of head gear when it was required. I’ve worked w/some FGM groups. The things I haven’t done is gone into a town after a massacre. I’ve never smelled piles of rotting corpses courtesy of Islamic die-hards. I’m for a Muslim reformation, that should tell you where I stand. If it doesn’t then you’re really not very imaginative or clear-thinking.

          • Drakken

            A lot has changed in 20 years but the islam remains the same and is resurgent, the wog inbreeds use to respect us, now they can’t wait for a chance to kill you. There will be no reformation of islam, it will have to be utterly destroyed to its core.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            “Muslim reformation” yeah, after 1400 years that’s really gonna happen. Why don’t you get the ball rolling, in say, Tehran, Riyadh, Islamabad, Ankara, Mogadishu, Aceh? Come on, let’s see you put your money where your mouth is.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Male chauvanism?

            You clearly haven’t seen how women are treated in Muslim dominated or other Turd World societies.

          • moneekwa

            for five years wikipedia carried an extensive article on a war that never took place. just because nobody disputed it did not make it true. you might as well quote the onion as wikipedia.

          • Americana

            I didn’t write anything about “Israel maintaining checkpoints causing inconvenience and comparing that to Hamas murdering innocent Israelis.” (To whom are these checkpoints supposed to be an inconvenience, to Palestinians and/or Israelis or both? Given they are a necessary security precaution under such circumstances, I wouldn’t complain about them.). Listen, you may well fool some fools but most people should recognize I wouldn’t write such stupidities or be concerned w/such MINOR STUPIDITIES as checkpoints in the midst of this.

            This is the FAKDROID ‘Americana’ who’s writing such posts, and as you very well know, someone is faking entries and pretending to be me.

          • Mercer
          • Americana

            Your BB handle should obviously be switched to maybe ‘Mercy.’(Lord have mercy on me w/all this FPM BS!)

          • Mercer

            “For those who may not know …. I worked for the UN (via through ICAO) for four years from 1989 – 1993. Believe it or not …. but during my contract with the organization I met some who were worse and far more incomprehensible than Navi Pillay.”

            You make the same points as Navi Pillay.So should you not receive the accolades?

            tp://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2014/08/un-high-commissioner-for-human-rights.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WarNewsUpdates+(War+News+Updates)

          • truebearing

            How much mercy have you deluded yourself into thinking you deserve?

          • Americana

            No delusions on my part. Uncomfortable realizations on your part.

          • Mercer

            Americana and Navi Pillay, sisters separated at birth?

            “For those who may not know …. I worked for the UN (via through ICAO) for four years from 1989 – 1993. Believe it or not …. but during my contract with the organization I met some who were worse and far more incomprehensible than Navi Pillay.”

            http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2014/08/un-high-commissioner-for-human-rights.html

          • Drakken

            I really hope that that old scrunt Pillay shows her ugly mug where I am at, she would unfortunately suffer a severe case of lead poisoning.

          • Drakken

            Has it ever occurred to you that you are completely fuc*ing wrong?

          • Americana

            If I am completely **effendi** wrong then I’m in extremely erudite company. (Sorry, I love bad puns and don’t give me any grief over the fact I used an Arab word.) The men and women of the Israeli Peace Initiative are not nutty peaceniks. They are extremely practical nuts-and-bolts military and intelligence men.

            http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/world/middleeast/05israel.html

            Called the Israeli Peace Initiative, the two-page document is partly inspired by the changes under way regionally and is billed as a direct response to the Arab Peace Initiative issued by the Arab League in 2002 and again in 2007. It calls for a Palestinian state on nearly all the West Bank and Gaza with a capital in much of East Jerusalem, an Israeli withdrawal from the Golan Heights, and a set of regional security mechanisms and economic cooperation projects.

            “We looked around at what was happening in neighboring countries and we said to ourselves, ‘It is about time that the Israeli public raised its voice as well,’ ” said Danny Yatom, a signer of the document and former head of Mossad, Israel’s intelligence service. “We feel this initiative can bring along many members of the public.”

            Another member of the group, Yaakov Perry, a former head of Shin Bet, the internal security agency, said he sent a copy of the document on Sunday to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who replied that he looked forward to reading it. The official unveiling is set for Wednesday in Tel Aviv, but a copy was made available to The New York Times.

          • Drakken

            Darling, how can I put this as bloody nicely as I can, those leftist peace groups are living in a completely different universe and what they propose is not only unfeasible but completely unrealistic, stick with me kid, I’ll get you in the right place. One way or another events will prove me correct and them suicidal and completely wrong.

          • Americana

            I will continue to read your comments, Drakken. I’ll also continue to read the newspapers, read big fat books, consult w/Israeli friends and, if push comes to shove, I won’t allow Lenny to return any longer. I cannot see how you are likely to be more correct than these Israelis. These folks have no plans to let down Israel’s guard. The fact the jihad movement has gained this kind of momentum on the back of the Israeli-Palestinian situation should give you insights, you’re just not willing to contemplate. The fact there is a genocidal component to the Palestinian jihad is not ultimately what will decide the fate of Israel and Israelis.

          • Drakken

            That my dear is exactly what is happening, a jihad in paliland is the same jihad anywhere else except different stripes, names and propaganda, but it is still jihad just the same and they hate with a burning passion anything Jewish and us Christians second. This, and I want you to quote me, is going to get worse, much worse. There is no making peace with these people, you can get a temporary truce, but that is it until the gunfire starts again. It is that bloody simple.

          • hiernonymous

            On an absolutely OT tangent: I was stationed in Egypt and worked with the Egyptian military, and a common way of expressing “sir” in their military is “effendi,” which is actually a holdover from the old Turkish term from Ottoman days. When I was later sent to work with the Kuwaiti and Saudi staffs, the first time I met with a senior officer, I used that term. He let me know – politely, of course – that the Gulf Arabs never, ever use that term; having fought to overthrow the Ottomans, they want no reminders of their earlier subjugation.

            Similarly, Egptians in general often still use “basha,” their version of the Turkish “pasha,” as a term of respect. You won’t find that in the Gulf, either. The Egyptians just aren’t worked up about the Ottomans.

          • truebearing

            Sure it is. Every incidence of identity theft on FPM that I have seen involves you, whether it is you using someone else’s name, or someone supposedly using yours. More than a tad coincidental, don’t you think? More like a pattern.

          • Americana

            You are such a disingenuous 8-star bulsh******it artist. You’e forgetting a few instances last week where NUMEROUS people said they thought they were responding to someone when it turns out to be someone entirely different. Refresh the page and, voila, the supposed Fifth Columnist issue I’m committing against FPM vanishes in a flash. But, by all means, try to flog this to a successful conclusion. trubearing’s Fifth Columnist Front Page Old Farts rides again to the rescue of FPM!

          • truebearing

            Sure. We believe you…especially after Pete just caught you lying through your pointy little teeth.

          • truebearing

            Only 8 stars? Stingy, aren’t you.

          • Americana

            Don’t worry, they’re all gold. You’ll get upgraded to platinum in not too long, I can tell.

          • truebearing

            I want some diamonds, too.

          • Americana

            Buy your own. Make sure they’re conflict free. Or send Drakken in to secure some for you free of his Carthage Cartier treatment. They might cost more w/his outrageous contractor pay, but they’re worth it!

          • Drakken

            The best diamonds are the ones you liberate. Hey sunshine, I am worth every goddamn Dollar and Euro and Carat.

          • Americana

            The only ‘carats’ (CARROTS) I’m interested in are edible — my horses love ‘em. I don’t wear my good diamond rings hardly at all any more because of gardening and farm work. Horseback riding and dog training. aren’t a good opportunity to wear rings either.

            Why do they pay you in three different currencies, is some of that money under the table? (That’s a trick question. ;))

          • Drakken

            I didn’t do it, you didn’t see me do anything, you can’t prove anything and where is my attorney.

          • Americana

            As long as you send me a replacement Carthage Cartier Conflict-Free Diamond of ‘Flawless’ or ‘VVS1′ clarity and purity, you’re good to go…. ;) Yup, I lost the same freakin’ diamond from the prongs on the outside of a ruby and diamond ring. Lost the diamond twice while riding, found it both times. Lost it again going to the racetrack to look at a friend’s TBs in their first races. Won money betting on their horses, but lost the diamond from the same outside prong for the third and final time. I’m one weird kind of lucky.

          • Drakken

            Every diamond from Afrika is a conflict diamond honey, sorry to break it to you. For you to get a diamond from me means you had better ride me bloody hard and put me in the barn wet and then some. Plus a Pharision two wouldn’t hurt.

          • Americana

            You’re married to a statuesque European. That means you’re saddled w/riding her for the foreseeable future. What is a Pharision? Are you talking those black horses w/the incredibly PIA manes and tails? They are from Friesland in the Netherlands. Very sweet horses! Still a very expensive breed to buy but sometimes you can get lucky. I have a friend who’s got an eventer that’s a Friesian cross. I occasionally use a Friesian breeder in the area for shipping services. He’s got some incredible horses. His horses are used by one of the world’s champion jousters, a Canadian woman, who’s been the world champion.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friesian_horse

          • Drakken

            Yes my better half, sorry can’t trade her in on a new model for she is irreplaceable, in case you missed it, I was being extremely factious. You know your horses, I brought a couple back from Holland about 15 years ago to breed and they paid themselves off ten times over, a joy to ride and easy to handle until like arabs I had, awful beasts. I know the Canadian, she used one of my studs for her stock. Funny, small world.

          • Americana

            Oh, I thought you’d realize I was being extremely facetious right back? From now on, I’ll include (SARC) when you might take me the wrong way. Sorry, you won’t get me to diss Arabs, I’ve owned Arabs and owned Anglo-Arabs and they’re some of the most incredible horses anywhere. I prefer Anglo-Arabs and WBs for the sports I do but Arabians are a great baseline bloodstock.

          • Pete

            Americana is a die hard Leftist. She is attracted to anti-jihad sites.

            She is an anti-anti-Jihadis.

            She was kicked off of Atlas Shrugs.

            If she is kicked off of this site she will just go to another anti-Jihadi site and pull the same scheisse.

            She’ll claim that 9/11 was inspired by Israel’s existence. I don’t believe she will admit to the poor treatment of others by Muslims before 1948 or 1886 without making reference to the Crusades 0f 1095. How she explains jihad form 632 to 1095 is unknown, but she has a real bug up her azz, so she will think of something.

          • Americana

            How hysterical. You’re going to start inventing my perspective about ancient Muslim historical events from your very own write-a-propaganda-script machine? I don’t have a problem w/saying the early Muslim conquests were vicious and self-serving. So don’t attribute thoughts to me that you obviously write out of thin air or I’ll return the favor in spades.

            I wouldn’t be calling for a Muslim reformation if I felt everything Muslim was fine and dandy. Got that? Any questions on your part? You need a little more enlightenment on what I’m concerned about and interested in, please be sure and ASK before writing YOUR OWN SCRIPT about my thinking.

          • Webb

            Do you rub your dirt hole with your left hand after you crap? How does that feeeeeel?

          • Pete

            Americana is a die hard Leftist. She is attracted to anti-jihad sites.

            She is an anti-anti-Jihadis.

            She was kicked off of Atlas Shrugs.

            If she is kicked off of this site she will just go to another anti-Jihadi site and pull the same scheisse.

            She’ll claim that 9/11 was inspired by Israel’s existence. I don’t believe she will admit to the poor treatment of others by Muslims before 1948 or 1886 without making reference to the Crusades 0f 1095. How she explains jihad form 632 to 1095 is unknown, but she has a real bug up her azz, so she will think of something.

            As far back as I can track her is Loonwatch.

          • Americana

            How amusing! You can track me to Loonwatch when I’m never there, really? You’re a Superman Sleuth then w/X-ray vision or maybe you’re just wearing some rose-colored blinders.

            I’m not a die-hard Leftist. I’m a die-hard gardener along the lines of “The Constant Gardener.” I’ve never claimed that 9/11 was “inspired by Israel’s existence.” I’ve said 9/11 was inspired by the American support for Israel that allows Israel to continue to reject Palestinian statehood. I was kicked off Atlas Shrugs because I dared to disagree w/Pamela Geller and the falsehood that kosher slaughter and halal slaughter are two entirely different slaughter techniques along w/various other objections of mine that were seen as “too much fact, not enough invective.”

            I also disagree w/her on exactly what constitutes MUSLIM SEXUAL SLAVERY. She tried to claim that Muslim prostituton gangs in Europe and the U.S. were Muslim sexual slavery being brought into Western civilization. But Muslim sexual slavery is an entirely different thing. I’ve never read anywhere that Muslim Sexual Slaves are supposed to be for-profit BUSINESS ENDEAVOURS. They’re personal sexual slaves that are for the use of a Muslim man who’s either bought them or captured them. I don’t believe anyone has ever supplied the hadith that outlines how Muslim Sexual Slavery is in sync w/Western prostitution business practices but maybe I just missed the hadith post that justified all the chatter about Muslim Sexual Slavery.

            I also had the TEMERITY to state that the Nigerian girls were likely abducted by Boko Haram in order to secure a large RANSOM as well as FORCE A PRISONER EXCHANGE for Boko Haram prisoners. i posted those thoughts before the media became aware that the Boko Haram jihadis had sent a ransom and prisoner exchange demand to the government.

          • Pete

            “How amusing! You can track me to Loonwatch when I’m never there, really?”

            You were at Loonwatch. You decided to go out and proselytize among the great unwashed (in your opinion). You are not some moderate, centrist or independent. You are decidedly a leftists and a very argumentative and bigoted one at that.

            ***

            Discussion on Loonwatch.com
            National newspaper is prejudiced and skewing halal debate, says MP
            Americana • 3 months ago

            I seem to have just been banned on Pamela Geller’s site for bringing up too many unfortunate comparisons like the fact that kosher slaughter and halal slaughter are exactly identical. Kosher slaughter doesn’t require stunning — despite her editorial implying that it does — and that there are rabbis arguing over new methods of stunning like electric shocks, etc. because they think they might not be “kosher.” What truly KOSHER Jew wouldn’t know the rules for kosher slaughter and would anyone be fooled by Geller’s dissimulation on the matter? Honestly, I’m not sure who they’re trying to fool by claiming the site is unmoderated! I’ll have to let Front Page Mag know…. ;)
            It’s pretty incredible that Geller is trying to make these ludicrous distinctions between the cultural practices when there’s information WIDELY AVAILABLE that contradicts her claims. But I know that she’s labeled me an unfortunate presence just like Robert Spencer — they like to inflict the “Banning of the Brains” if they can’t beat ‘em. Pam had the audacity to claim that simply speaking Arabic if you’re a Nigerian Muslim automatically made that a more sinister language acquisition!!!! her exact wording was, “Arabic is the language of Islam.” Ooooooohhhh, I’m just shaking in my Ugggs.

          • Americana

            That’s right. I went there to bitch. How many more posts can you produce of mine? You’ll note that my complaints are the very same ones I stated in another post of mine.

          • Pete

            All of them chicken farmer.

            You have a lot in common with SS leader Himmler.

          • Americana

            Well, at least I’m not a chicken sh*t slanderer. (Just to keep up w/the SS alliteration.)

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Shiitey Socialist.

          • Pete

            (A) “How amusing! You can track me to Loonwatch when I’m never there …”

            (B) “That’s right. I went there to bitch”

            Which is the true Americana?
            Does Americana have multiple personalities?

            Maybe we should have Diagnose Americana with the DSM contest.

          • Habbgun

            She went there to be a bitch. She just can’t help it. Has to spread the wealth.

          • truebearing

            Doesn’t Chauncette Gardener realize that just by being, she is bitching?

          • Americana

            I’m never there as a constant. I basically went there because I was told I belong on Loonwatch by someone on Atlas Shrugs. Get it, or does the whole thing need to be written out in greater detail? I don’t like being told where I belong or what I can post. You tell me to “go join Loonwatch” because you find my opinions unsuitable, then, yes, I’ll likely throw up another such post at another point in time on Loonwatch. That doesn’t mean I’m of identical mind w/Loonwatchers.

          • Pete

            Here is the truth about Islam sweetie. It is not my words but i agree with them.these are the words of a blogger, whose blog I found.

            “My Comment: The Middle East has a history of Islamic militancy/revolution/conquest/warfare that goes back to it’s founding 1,300 years ago. What we are witnessing now is just a continuation of this conflict …. but while the same Sunni-Shiite hatreds are now coming to the forefront, we are also witnessing the West/Israel/and modern secularists in the Muslim world becoming involved in this mess …. a mess that shows no signs of dissipating.”

            http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2014/08/long-established-mideast-powers-are-now.html

          • Pete

            Judging by your words you seem pretty sympatico with the Loonies. you seem comfortable in your skin posting there.

            ***

            I seem to have just been banned on Pamela Geller’s site for bringing up too many unfortunate comparisons like the fact that kosher slaughter and halal slaughter are exactly identical. Kosher slaughter doesn’t require stunning — despite her editorial implying that it does — and that there are rabbis arguing over new methods of stunning like electric shocks, etc. because they think they might not be “kosher.” What truly KOSHER Jew wouldn’t know the rules for kosher slaughter and would anyone be fooled by Geller’s dissimulation on the matter? Honestly, I’m not sure who they’re trying to fool by claiming the site is unmoderated! I’ll have to let Front Page Mag know…. ;)
            It’s pretty incredible that Geller is trying to make these ludicrous distinctions between the cultural practices when there’s information WIDELY AVAILABLE that contradicts her claims. But I know that she’s labeled me an unfortunate presence just like Robert Spencer — they like to inflict the “Banning of the Brains” if they can’t beat ‘em. Pam had the audacity to claim that simply speaking Arabic if you’re a Nigerian Muslim automatically made that a more sinister language acquisition!!!! her exact wording was, “Arabic is the language of Islam.” Ooooooohhhh, I’m just shaking in my Ugggs.

          • Americana

            That’s your opinion. Since you’re absurdly off base w/calling me a Leftist and all the rest of the typical slurs, be my guest and try to post your sticky labels on me.

          • Habbgun

            Typical slurs of Americana…oft repeated at every website show goes to:

            Multiple Personality Disorder
            Dimwit
            Knee Jerk Leftist
            Leftist Jerk
            Liar

            Must be the world luv. Must be the world.

          • truebearing

            If Robert Spencer and Pamela Gellar are prone to the “banning of brains,” why did they ban you?

          • Americana

            Muslim Sexual Slavery >>>> Western Prostitution

            Kosher slaughter >>>> Halal Slaughter + a prayer to Allah

            Shall I go on w/the list of verboten ‘corrections’ one is not allowed to make on either of their web sites?

            You contest what they don’t want you to contest, you challenge what they don’t want challenged (even if you’re right), you write what they don’t want you to write, you contribute what they don’t want to be the message on the web site, and it’s ‘Sayonara, Susie.’

            The simple fact is, if they’re both claiming to be bastions of free speech and they ban free speech from reasonable people on their web sites (such as the above) then they are committing exactly what they claim others are pulling against them. What’s more, Robert Spencer doesn’t have the guts to say he’s banning an individual because they don’t toe his party line. He manufactures reasons for the ban. That’s why he checked in here when I began posting here when I mentioned the reality of my being banned. Honestly, it’s like he’s the Mad Hatter of Mendacity inventing Muslima personas that he attaches to someone he finds questionable so he can subsequently ban those people, w/his OWN INVENTED PERSONA being the supposed reason for the ban.

          • Drakken

            Ya kinda sorta forgot to mention those muslim paki wogs were grooming western girls, hence Islamic grooming gangs because the white girls were infidels, not western standard prostitution. Maybe I should show you what happens to western girls in muslim hands. So again you show your complete ignorance in the subject matter at hand.

          • Americana

            I was trying to write it out in 10 words or less. You must not know much about prostitution. The pimps groom all, or at least most, of the girls they seduce into the life. There’s no difference between the methods of prostitution and how girls are seduced into being loyal to a particular pimp.

          • Drakken

            I happen to know quite a bit about it as a matter of fact, muslim pimp gangs are all over Europe and run thousands of white girls through the Balkans to the Middle East, where they are used until they are of no further use and then dumped in the desert. The methods might be similar, but you don’t see muslims pimping their own, they go for the white girls for that, so yes, there is a huge bloody difference. Where ever my men run into to this problem, they eliminate the problem and we get them out of the country through the Catholic or Orthodox church where they offer rehab and counseling until repatriation to their own countries. So Yes, I have quite extensive knowledge of the who, the what, the why and the where of how prostitution works and it effects.

          • Americana

            Sorry, Drakken, no you don’t get to say that they’re fundamentally different forms of prostitution simply because they choose white or non-Muslim girls to pimp that it makes their prostitution of these girls into MUSLIM SEXUAL SLAVERY. I admire you and your men for your kindness in getting these women out of the grips of these gangs and sending them back to their homes but it’s still prostitution. Prostitution is forbidden under Islam and ISIS has begun to take measures against prostitutes and their pimps.

            Robert Spencer makes a point of including the few same hadiths about Muslim sexual slavery each and every time he tries to sell this BS of his that this Muslim prostitution is MSS. Under MSS, you can buy slave girls for sexual purposes. You can capture infidel women and keep them as sexual slaves. But there’s nothing in the Muslim sexual slavery hadiths about RENTING THEM OUT TO MAN AFTER MAN. In fact, the ISIS jihadis just killed something like 30 prostitutes at a house of prostitution in their latest surge toward Baghdad.

            http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/13/world/meast/iraq-violence/

            From the above link:

            Baghdad, Iraq (CNN) — An attack on apartments that neighbors say were used as a brothel in Baghdad has killed at least 28 women and six men, security officials told CNN.

            Unidentified militants wearing military uniforms and street clothes stormed apartments Saturday in the Zayona residential complexes in eastern Baghdad, officials said. They fired their weapons in the streets before breaking down doors to enter the buildings, security officials and residents told CNN. Once inside, they killed the men and women, officials said.

            Attackers left a message on a door: “This is the fate of any prostitution,” an Agence France-Presse correspondent on the scene reported.

          • Drakken

            Prostitution under islam is permissible as long as it isn’t a fellow muslim, even then it varies amongst the tribes of islam, but them doing it to us is all the rage these days. As as vile as prostitution is and there are no excuses for it. White slavery is far far worse than anything you could possibly imagine in your worst nightmares. I can do what I do all day long and not lose a nights sleep over it, seeing the after effects of white slavery bothers me more than anything else, especially for everyone that could be saved, there are literally thousands that go unnoticed and unredeemed from a fate worse than death.
            If you want to take a gander of what a real atrocity is, go volunteer with a Catholic or Orthodox order and see it first hand. Unfortunately if you do, you will never be the same and if you do, you will completely understand why I am as vicious and uncompromising as I do things the way I do.

          • Americana

            If prostitution is permitted, then why is it the ISIS guys busted into a cat house and shot all the women and some of the johns and pimps? As far as I know, prostitution is NOT permitted under Islam and the fact it has become a hidden epidemic is one of the things that Osama bin Laden always mentioned in his manifestos. The mut’a marriages are not prostitution even though they may be being used to try to protect houses of prostituion from being shut down by the jihadis. If you can’t tell, the ISIS guys are big into knocking prostitution out of their areas.

            Actually, I do understand in some ways why you are uncompromising on the score of Islam. Our differences lie in my believing we cannot create victory that will last out of a partial, regional genocide of Muslims and that a full extermination such as ObamaYoMama is always advocating is not possible under any possible military scenario. I also don’t believe that all Muslims are capable of the heinous forms of jihad shown by ISIS. Some are and, if the join ISIS and commit such heinous barbarity, they likely had that internal bent in their souls already. But not all Muslims are jihadis. It’s simply not an accurate perception.

            As much as I want corporal sharia law to be eliminated and as much as I want sundry other improvements made that would reform Islam and bring it into the 21st century, I will never advocate genocide as the solution.

          • Drakken

            The Islamic principle of don’t do as I do but do as I say is rife and hypocrisy they name is islam is why they can prostitute woman with no repercussions for it is Koran approved.
            This ends only one way, them or us and you can wrap your head around the fact that warfare is what is going to get the job done, not peace and appeasement, never has, never will be.

          • Pete

            ObamaYoMama is crazy. DG doesn’t like him or at least had some short words with him in the last 2 years. OYM took no notice (water off a duck’s back) and kept right in going. DG didn’t ban him although I sort of wish he would. I ignore OYM for the most part. Chance are good that OYM isn’t going to change until he keels over of old age.

          • Pete

            One more thing, do you know what a bird dog is used for?

          • Americana

            Since I technically own a bird dog breed, I’ll say you’re questioning what the breed differences are. Bird dogs can be either a flushing or a pointing breed w/retrieving being a universal among all bird dogs. Is that what you’re getting at? And if you’re going to suddenly claim that you’ve flushed me out, I’d say think again.

          • Pete

            I would submit that you were flushed out like a bird.

            Do whatever, I got what I wanted.

            Not patient, not elegant, but it worked.

          • Webb

            Did you get your gentiles mutilated? How did it feeeeeel?

          • truebearing

            You go everywhere to bitch. How does that justify lying about it? Or was it OK to lie because the lie was organic?

          • Drakken

            I really think that she is smoking a lot of something from that organic garden of hers.

          • Americana

            I’ve got lung sensitivity from cutting and baling hay for the horses. So, no, I don’t smoke grass or anything else for that matter. The guy has to smoke his cigarettes outside, even in the winter. Yes, I’m that sensitive.

          • Drakken

            Well I had to ask? Because your reasoning and logic skills are a tad illogical which usually means someone has been hitting the bong pipe a little too often and too much.

          • Americana

            I’m never that illogical in my writing or my reasoning, Drakken, and you know it. I don’t mind you asking me the occasional botanical question but, really, don’t pretend that such questions aren’t being used to slam me. Besides, if I was really writing in a wild and wacky fashion, you should be asking me about whether I’m smoking salvia divinorum. (That is merely a joke.) Now ask me if you can get high off daylily fritters, I dare ya!

          • Drakken

            Sorry, but a good Cuban and a few glasses of bourbon are what makes the world go round for me. Your a woman, so of course your illogical. ;)

          • Americana

            Don’t you dare go veering off into space and bring up this Mars and Venus baloney, Drakken. Just warning’ ya, it’s no go, black hole territory. ;)

            I would think it would be nearly impossible to ever genuinely kick back under those circumstances. Maybe if I were right in the mess hall… I certainly couldn’t do it at some of those postage stamp-sized outposts. I’d always be nervous about keeping my fingers at trigger finger readiness if I were stationed at one of those.

          • Drakken

            It is just a small matter of knowing what buttons to push, so in case that ran right over your head, I was being extremely facetious, but it is fun to throw a quarter in the machine and watch it work.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            You’re only inferior in intellect — as allah’s messenger has revealed.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Never illogical in your writing or reasoning?

            We’re STILL waiting for your “UN report” on Jewish terrorism.

            Is “un.org” still displaying “undergoing mainteneance”?

            LOL!

          • Webb

            You mow hay you idiotic crunt.

          • Americana

            Ask some farmers about when they’re doing a cutting… Then get back to me when you’ve that up by challenging them when they’re cutting their “wheat” and their “oats” and their “corn.” Don’t you dare try to punk me, dumb bunny, if you don’t know enough about the subject.

          • truebearing

            Oooooh! The Loon has been busted at LoonWatch! Perfect, and caught lying yet again. Bravo, Pete.

            With all of her incessant blathering all over the internet, her organic farm must be in fine shape. it probably consists of a tomato plant on her porch. She thinks her BS is organic, too.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            That explains Americana’s use of a 9/11 Truther website as a source for attacking Israel.

          • GokTurk

            I used the name Americana to spoof her. Some spoofs were dead on accurate and hilarious.
            The point was to flush her out in the open. She started using her DisQus account again. This did a few things. First, we know it is her and not some other troll. Secondly it makes it easier to follow her posts for the purpose of reading them. Third it allowed my to use DisQus to see what sites she visited and the general tenor of her posts. She likes socking it to conservatives/libertarians. It also allows a person to compare old posts with newer posts to check for consistency. A person can also se their purported life experience to see where they are coming from and if they are who they say they are. Hierno for example seems legit. Still where he is from there were a lot of people from the Holy Land Foundation and stuff and it makes me wonder.
            If she only posted anonymously, all her posts could be found using google. I use google to track a person on two sites, who I think is absolutely erudite. So I like reading his posts except he always posts anonymously. That would seems a bit extreme but it was found out a bunch of Leftists in Sweden used gravatar and other stuff to link people’s online profile to their physical addresses and real names.way that is all
            I can do using legit, public sources. Only stuff that people self report.

          • Habbgun

            Beautiful job. You had me fooled. You’ve got her down. You probably know what she thinks and why better than she does. Well of course you do. She thinks she’s an original thinker when she is really an Occupybot.

            Anyway, please keep posting as Americana grey. You’re the people’s choice for Americana.

          • Americana

            Disqus tracks only Disqus sites. I signed up on Disqus when Daniel Greenfield mentioned that I had to register my BB handle to prevent such punking by you and others. It’s not that I’m a huge Disqus participant which means that you saying I “began to use (her) Disqus account again” is fallacious since I don’t participate on many Disqus sites.

          • Drakken

            Absolutely diabolical! I like it ! To be honest, you didn’t need to see all of her past posts to see which side of the fence she sits on, a lefty all the way.

          • JacksonPearson

            Pamela Geller’s a very tolerant person, but she can easily detect crap coming out of people. However, if this Americana turd was banned by her, then that’s good enough for me that she’s nothing but a leftist, Muhammadan loving worm. After reading her posts, she uses certain phrases and words that reveals her real intent, of being antisemitic.

            LMAO and still pointing my finger at die-hard 9/11 Truthers, as to why they still can’t accept structural engineering facts, and seismic data, proving how the Twin Towers and Building #7 came down.

          • Americana

            No, Pamela Geller is not tolerant. Otherwise she wouldn’t ban someone for posting factual material. In fact, you could more easily construe from my banning that Geller is INTOLERANT of conflicting viewpoints. My banning should be seen as confirmation of the fact she’s basically an advocacy web site where dissenting opinions are not tolerated. Because it’s very clear she bans people when the facts confirm what someone presents as the reality vs what Geller is presenting as the truth.

            Since Daniel Greenfield complimented me on some posts of mine that REFUTED a couple of 9/11 truthers, I hope you’re not claiming I’m a 9/11 truther.

          • Habbgun

            You’re more of a Chauncey Gardener but keep telling yourself you’re a hero. Rachel Corrie called. She’s lonely in infidel paradise and would like another pancake for company.

          • Americana

            You’re just a guy who’s got a big gun who’s afraid to put his bullets where his mouth is. Go join the IDF yourself and put that big gun into service. You’ll have to settle for falafel though. I don’t think pancakes are the food of choice for the IDF.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Go to Gaza for a little “Human Shield Dome” work.

            The pay is GREAT.

          • PATRIOT.WW48

            Habbgun, well said. One of my favorite Peter Sellers Characters, and movies.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            My favorite Peter Sellers movie is

            After the Fox.

            http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060200/

          • truebearing

            LOL. Well played, my friend.

            I wish she was being there, wherever that might be other than here.

          • Habbgun

            Yes Pete she is but let’s all hail gray Americana who is an absolute genius. An absolute bleeping genius. The ability to spew nonsense and yet sound so much like her is truly a gift. Someone who speaks lefty troll to the core and yet has the ability not to cross into the slime.

            Americana also likes to pick large threads where she can hide her slime and not have accountability.

            Like now she says she wasn’t posing as a born American when she was arguing against American exceptionalism. That she was honest about being a Brit.

            Pure nonsense. Told her she had the European Left point of view. That is what a cliche in Europe and she replies she’s just an American with an American farm. She’ll even deny Americana is misleading when her viewpoint is British raised Leftist Britannia.

            I’m happy to put this here where everyone will see. Truth can be a sticky wicket. Right luv??

          • Americana

            Habbsurdity to the nth degree: “The ability to spew nonsense and yet sound so much like her is truly a gift. Someone who speaks lefty troll to the core and yet has the ability not to cross into the slime.”

            That is slime. Just FYI. It’s also slime to claim I argued against American exceptionalism while pretending to be a Brit. I’ve always said I was born in the U.S. You and your Leftist craziness…. It’s just astounding to see you folks troll off into these convoluted fact-less conspiracy theories. C’est la vie. (Oh, look, she must be Ffffrench.)

          • Habbgun

            Americana Gray said Habbsurdity first. HMMMMM……He’s in your brain luv. Absolutely in your brain.

          • Americana

            Oh, you’d love to think so. I doubt that’s true and it’s likely not provable because of the way the time sigs are attached to posts. But make the claim anyway, it sounds so COOOL.

          • truebearing

            Don’t be so sure it isn’t the same person pretending to be wronged. She is a drama queen (another alternate personality).

          • Americana

            Why look here, the Dramaturd of Demonic Dumbed-Down Conspiracy theories has yet another explanation for how and why it is that another person has borrowed my BB handle. Since it’s happened prior to this, and Daniel Greenfield clarified the Disqus ‘glitch’ for you all, it’s kind of bizarre you keep on kicking this particular can down the road hoping it’ll take you to Damascus. (Dang, we’re not there yet!!)

          • truebearing

            Don’t be angry. I even wrote part of a song for you. Actually, Habbgun inspired it on another thread, but I wrote the lyrics. It is to the tune of Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels classic, “Devil With a Blue Dress On.”

            She, She, Lie Lie, Dodo dumb
            lookin mighty mad, here she come
            Babblin up a storm as she haunts LoonWatch
            Cooking up some lies for a post she’ll botch
            Wearing a Burka and her best nose ring
            she’ll defend any Muslim for any damn thing

            Dhimmi with a burka, burka, burka
            Dhimmi with a burka on
            Dhimmi with a burka, burka, burka
            Dhimmi with a burka on

          • Americana

            Muslimas wear nose rings? Who’d have thunk it? Lemme know when they get around to putting rings where they’re really useful as opposed to just being led around by the nose.

            I guess I do learn something new every day here about Islam.

          • Drakken

            It’s the goddamn Trunions I tell ya!

          • Americana

            Perhaps you can finally convince the Dramaturd of that fact… Try really, really hard. Give him the Carthage treatment (shave down in strips, apply electrodes) if you can’t get it through his thick head otherwise.

          • Habbgun

            “I STATED I was British. Drakken, in his infinitely finely attuned social
            perspicacity, didn’t just ‘figure it out.’ I told him flat out after
            he’d accused me of being Muslim. But of course, you’ll continue on
            w/your belief that Drakken figured it out without any upfront statements
            from me laying out my heritage for several generations.”

            Posted this from your account Luv. Sorry but you seem to change your story constantly. Constantly. You can remain anonymous. Nothing wrong with that but you like to make yourself an authority on things.

            Now this is a good use of cut and paste. What you wrote and what you say in full view. I’ve got you on FOLLOW Luv.

            If you post at other websites I’ll be there.

          • Drakken

            I am so glad you caught that, I would use the word convoluted to describe her thinking which is standard leftist group think.

          • Habbgun

            Yep. Remember we had that little discussion and you said trust me she’s British. They are brought up on that garbage. You knew right away. Maybe when you post you can cite the British parties and academics she gets her ideas from. It would be informative to me. I’m kind of shocked to see how far left British really are. At least the low info types.

          • Drakken

            I have a lot of Brits that work for me and the separation from those in their late 30′s onward is really quite different than those under say about 34 and the standards in which they were brought up in, it is very stark difference to say the least, and even then you can see the leftist influence and class distinctions. There is no doubt that leftist Marxism is rife within and without the British system and our education system is getting as bad if not worse than theirs these days. I still to this day can’t bloody well understand their love of that pizz water called Gin.

          • Habbgun

            Personally I like gin and tonic but you can’t beat single malt scotch. Then again I’m Ukrainian by background and all the Russian Jews I meet in synagogue insist on pouring vodka by the cup load down my throat. I’m one of the few American born that can keep up with them and I’m taking years and years off my life. These days I’m not so sure living long would be such a blessing anyhow.

          • JacksonPearson

            Collective group think… :o)

          • Americana

            Oh, so glad you’ve got me on follow. It’s such a homey touch.

            Listen, luv, when I posted I was British in the above, I meant my mother was British. My father is American. If you were a dual-national, you’d understand the dilemma of deciding what nationality to mention when. Got it?

          • Webb

            The best part of you ran down your mom’s scaly old evil leg.

          • Habbgun

            I got it my chavvie little porcupine. When you want to make a leftist point about America you are suddenly a home grown American. When you want to show so called international consensus you’re a Brit. We’re onto you luv. Typical Leftist agitprop. Only works when you haven’t seen it before. By the way. Less skanks, more freedom. An idea so crazy it just might work.

          • truebearing

            No, no. It’s really Americana, or at least one of her alternate personalities. :)

          • PATRIOT.WW48

            Pete, THX MUCH for your info

          • truebearing

            Die-hard you say? Do you have any estimates on how soon? Just hoping…er…wondering.

            LoonWatch…that sounds about right. Is BlatherWatch following her too, or did her verbosity crash their server?

          • hiernonymous

            What incidence of “identity theft” have you seen?

            I’ve seen you make two specific accusations.

            In one, you accused Americana of impersonating Drakken. When you were asked to link to the post(s) in question and explain why you thought what you did, you dodged for 5 days. You then claimed that the posts in question had been deleted. Of course, Americana had not impersonated Drakken, and the posts had not been deleted. Your excuse – you were apparently the sole poster on FPM too dense to figure out that you need to refresh your page when glitches creep in.

            In the second, you claimed that I had made a certain post about ‘atonement’ in regards to slavery, and when asked to identify the post in question, you actually claimed that you had gone back to check the post in question, that it and others were missing, and that I had used some sort of special ninja military hacking skills and connections to make the post disappear. I was able to link to the post in question, and all posts and their responses in that conversation were intact. The post did not read as you claimed, the post was there for examination, and it plainly had not been mysteriously ‘disappeared.’

            If you wish to once again double down on your accusations, I invite you – as always – to support your accusations with a specific link and your underlying reasoning. You never seem to be able to provide either. A pattern, indeed.

          • Drakken

            I blame the Trunions, you know, the little dudes that live in the howitzers.

          • hiernonymous

            Yah, but that doesn’t really account for “I went back and checked and saw” something he didn’t see. That’s just an honesty deficiency.

          • Drakken

            I told ya, its the Trunions I tell ya! They are everywhere throwing a monkey in the wrench. ;)

          • truebearing

            You didn’t see squat. Two times now Americana has been involved in anomalies that disappeared. I can’t count the number of people who have complained about posts not appearing, but I have an excellent memory and I wouldn’t forget an exchange like the one we had. One of your posts and my reply were curiously gone, and that is final.

          • Americana

            I can see this is going to go the way of the Benghazi debate where you never admit you’re wrong. Since even Drakken (I think it was him) has admitted that he saw his posts appear w/my name and he subsequently said they went back to appearing under his name when he refreshed the page, I’ll say it once more. I never post under fake names.

          • Webb

            One thing’s for sure — the gristly old imam who mutilated your gentiles had to have a strong stomach. Phew! Bet it made his eyes water!

          • Americana

            There are imams who are able to mutilate WHOLE GENTILES out of the body of one little old gentile? That, I’d pay to see.

          • hiernonymous

            I’ve linked to the “missing” post previously. Are you really going to make me do it again?

            “One of your posts and my reply were curiously gone, and that is final.”

            It’s not ‘final’ until you provide corroborating evidence. Your imagination is not corroborating evidence. You are curiously and consistently unable to point out the threads, conversations, and posts where these mysterious thefts of identity, convenient admissions, and sinister disappearances take place.

          • hiernonymous

            Okay, here we go again: here’s the thread in question: http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/salons-professor-crunk-claims-white-on-black-murder-wave-in-florida/

            And here’s the comment I made the last time you tried to lie about this, with authors added:

            TB: I remember another debate several months back where you exposed your thinking on a number of issues, including stating that white Americans need to “atone” for slavery and then you went on to make a case for interminable reparations. When I went back a day later to quote you, the comments were deleted.

            H: Isn’t that interesting? Because, as I recall, the only time I used the term “atone” was in response to a poster who had brought up the issue herself, claiming that the wrongs of slavery had been paid for with Northern blood. My rejoinder was that the blood shed by civil war soldiers hardly atoned for Plessy v Ferguson or Jim Crow – the wrongs didn’t stop happening in 1865. Kikorid asked how one would atone for that, and my response was quite clear:

            “I don’t know how we could; nor am I suggesting that ‘atonement’ is the objective. The objective is to reverse theeffects of Plessy v Ferguson.

            I sort of stumbled into this conversation without having tried to come up with the solution; I sense that it has to do with making a major overhaul in our educational system, but I don’t have a plan to submit for evaluation, I’m afraid.”

            So let’s look at the impressive number of falsehoods you managed to fit into your post just now:

            1. “…stating that white Americans need to “atone” for slavery”

            - Not true. I noted that the deaths of Union soldiers, which had been offered as an example of expiation for slavery, did not atone for post-slavery wrongs. I did not claim any “need” for anything except acknowledging the need to fix our society, and, in fact, explicitly rejected the idea that ‘atonement’ was the objective when asked for clarification. The link to the entire conversation is pasted below, but here is the relevant portion:

            Sussexgirl: “What is known is that reparations have already been paid, were paid 150 years ago in the blood of northern white boys that soaked into the soil of fields all across the South. It’s enough already. No one in this country owes anyone else anything. It’s time for everyone to put their big boy and girl panties on and get over themselves.”

            Hiernonymous: “That’s not “known,” that’s your spin. Big difference. A more reasoned point of view might be that “it’s enough already” when someone arriving in the United States would be unable to tell that blacks were once the victims of sustained oppression. Nor is slavery all we have to answer for; your Union lads may have died to help end slavery, but they didn’t atone for Jim Crow, did they? For Plessy v Ferguson? Your formulation is self-serving and simplistic. How about we all pull up our big boy and girl panties and really fix our society, instead of weaseling around on the internet explaining why “it’s not my problem.”

            Kikorid: “Please explain how we, or anybody, could or would “atone” for plessy v. Fergussen?”

            Hiernonymous: “I don’t know how we could; nor am I suggesting that ‘atonement’ is the objective. The objective is to reverse the effects of Plessy v Ferguson. I sort of stumbled into this conversation without having tried to come up with the solution; I sense that it has to do with making a major overhaul in our educational system, but I don’t have a plan to submit for evaluation, I’m afraid.”

            2. “…and then you went on to make a case for interminable reparations.”

            - Not true. As you can see from the excerpt above, which quotes my response to Kikorid in its entirety, I didn’t ‘make a case’ for any course of action, but suggested that it would probably involve reform of the educational system. You’ll note that that was not a case for interminable reparations.

            3. “When I went back a day later to quote you, the comments were deleted.”

            - Demonstrably false. The thread still stands; there are no posts deleted from our part of the conversation, and only a single post was deleted from the page: it was identifiably from uptownsteve, based on Drakken’s response to it immediately below it.

            The thread can be found here: http://www.frontpagemag.com/20

            TB: Do you have your leftist buddies hacking Disqus to erase those moments when you out your evil agenda? is that the kind of underhanded stuff you learned in the military, that you now use to avoid losing a debate? It wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

            H: The real question is whether you have any capacity for embarrassment whatever. You do realize that you made an accusation of deletion, hacking, and military-trained skulduggery that is demonstrably false? To be blunt, you lied.

            That’s two such inventions this week – you need help.

            Bottom line: the post is sitting right there for all to see. It’s not clear whether you are indulging in paranoid fantasies or have simply lost touch with your integrity, but we can dispense with any notion of your curiously inaccurate memories being ‘final.’

          • truebearing

            Wrong, moron. It was Webb the first time.Those identity anomalies disappeared, but a day or two later Americana was posting but her name was showing up as Drakken and another commenter. Now we have yet another “Americana” posting. Why is she always in the middle of these identity issues?

            There was no lapse of 5 days, and there was no way I could prove the identity switching because they were deleted. Stop lying, if you can.
            Refreshing the page didn’t clear anything, dipsh*t. The problem eventually ceased, but here we are again eioth multiple Americanas.

            As for your little screed on American whites needing to atone for slavery, that wasn’t there two days later when I wanted to quote you. I looked through the entire thread several times. I recently went back to look up the exchange and none of the comments from the original date of the article’s posting were available. If they were, believe me, you would be seeing them, and so would everyone else. Your opinions on reparations and the need for “atonement” are nothing if not moronic. Why don’t you prove that not only the article, but all of the comments are still accessible since I can’t find them?

            Ninjas hacking skills? Hacking Disqus would hardly be impenetrable for a mid-level hacker.

            Are you vain and petty enough to want to “edit” revealing or embarrassing comments you’ve made? Absolutely. When Greenfield was sent unsolicited information about you on linkedIn, you threw a childish temper tantrum, according to him. I would believe his account of the event infinitely more than yours, and it fits your nature.

          • Americana

            That’s an easy answer. For 20 points, I’ll say that someone has decided that’s it’s quite the easy solution to think of discrediting me by inventing the most outrageous, most outlandish reasoning on various Muslim issues and attributing them to me.

            The reason it happens likely has something about the thread lengths. Disqus I’m sure has limits for maximal thread length for functionality and when we exceed that maximum capability for refreshing and making additions in real time to the database for each thread, screw ups will occur.

            This situation really doesn’t require someone to be a genius to understand the purpose behind this nor to understand why this is happening right at this moment. But persist in enhancing your conspiracy theory on the whole matter.

          • hiernonymous

            Ah, yes, correct – it was Webb, not Drakken, that you first falsely accused Americana of impersonating.

            And, yes, the elapsed time between my request that you point to the post you claimed was an impersonation and your claim that it had been flagged and deleted was about 5 days.

            The post that you have persisted in mischaracterizing is still there. When a post is deleted, a notification of a deleted post remains. No such set of deleted posts is on that thread. You are, as is your wont, spewing unsupported accusations.

            “Are you vain and petty enough to want to “edit” revealing or embarrassing comments you’ve made? Absolutely. When Greenfield was sent unsolicited information about you on linkedIn, you threw a childish temper tantrum, according to him.”

            I don’t know how Daniel actually acquired my personal data, but his claim on these boards was not that he received the information on linked in, but by email. He conducted his own ‘investigation’ via linked in. Would this be an example of your excellent memory?

          • Webb

            Hernio studied his old fishwife again and couldn’t quite git ‘er done, so he came back to FPM to troll.

          • truebearing

            Are you sticking to your position that because of, as you called it, “chattel slavery” in the early history of this country, whites have to make a very long term “atonement?” Do you still insist whites should be paying reparations until the memories of slavery have faded to some un-quantified subjective level?

            Since you want to re-litigate the past, why didn’t you respond to my point about the Arab Muslims and their far longer and more egregious history as regards slavery (which hasn’t ended)? I recall pointing out how they began trading and keeping slaves much earlier and for far longer than occurred in the United States, how they sold European slave traders most of the slaves that made it to this hemisphere, and how the mortality of their captured slaves was incredibly high. I don’t remember a response, however. Now is your chance.

          • Drakken

            TB, I am telling you, it is the Trunions! They keep throwing a monkey in the wrench and making us mere mortals pound our computer keys in absolute frustration and they laugh about it. So do what I do in the confusion situation, pour a Bourbon and say fuc* it and get a niece or nephew that is about 12 to fix the problem, less stress.

          • gerry

            Check p;oints are also in Egypt.What was the daily life of the “Palestinian” in the Gaza strip under Egyptian rule?

          • PATRIOT.WW48

            true, please, please, do not respond to ‘americana’. Thank you for your consideration.

          • Philip Pétain

            You are so right. The Jewish people in Palestine were supposed rely on the Ottoman Turks or the British to defend them from attacks from ethnic Arabs.
            To form the Haganah or the Irgun, when protection was not forthcoming is idiotic and provocative. It only caused the Arabs to want to massacre the Jews of Palestine faster.

          • Americana

            The formation of Israeli militias for self-defense was sensible but to start bombing campaigns against the British when they were a bulwark against the Palestinian Arabs when it was ALREADY CLEAR there was going to be an agreement for an Israeli state? Not so sensible. The only thing that the Irgun and the Haganah accomplished by forcing the British out of Palestine sooner than they’d intended was to bring on the wrath of the Arabs faster than would have happened otherwise.

          • Pete

            “The formation of Israeli militias for self-defense was sensible but to start bombing campaigns against the British”

            And when the British authorities start dismantling the Jewish self-defense forces, the Jews are suppose to idly stand by?

          • Americana

            How much have you read about the Arab Revolt and just how much political mayhem was being committed by both sides during that period?

          • Pete

            You only go as far back as the the Arab Revolt. Did history start then?

            Let’s try the Hashomer (The Jewish Watchman’s Society), which was formally established in 1907.

            You are deluded Muslimah.

          • Americana

            No, but these slightly older Jewish militias were serving part of the very same purposes as the newer Irgun and Haganah except for the additional duties of the later militias being directed toward liberation activities. The Arabs were committing violence against Jews because of the colonization and Zionist statements of the Jewish international community and the Zionist immigrants about retaking Palestine. Not admirable, but understandable.

          • Pete

            Wow, 38 minutes for a lame response. You must have had to go to your supervisor.

            So if we dig up records showing these same Arab attacks were going on before 1886, you will go to your supervisors and come up with a new excuse.

            You are pathetic.

          • Americana

            I’m not trying to claim there is no anti-Semitism shown by the Palestinians. Is that what you’re accusing me of? I’m differentiating among the sources of violence between the two nations. After a certain point in time, say the early mid 1900s, most of the violence directed at Jews was because of the Palestinian Arabs trying to retain Palestine as a Palestinian homeland. The fact that political animosity was reinforced and had an edge of underlying anti-Semitism is a secondary rationale for that period’s violence, just as violence against Israelis today is now a secondary rationale against the presence of Israel and the prevention of the formation of a Palestinian state.

            If the Palestinians could be given back Palestine in her entirety without killing every Israeli, you don’t think they’d seize that chance? Or are you going to try to claim the Palestinians would INSIST on killing all the Israelis before taking back Palestine? THAT’S the difference between our two perspectives. I understand there is Palestinian anti-Semitism but I’m willing to differentiate the different roles the anti-Semitism plays in the Palestinian narrative and the Israeli narrative..

          • Americana

            Yes, Judah, the ancient history talk is distracting from the concerns of the present day. There is only one issue w/Palestinian anti-Semitism that makes for issues in the context of today, and that’s the fact that the Muslims lay claim to all of Palestine.

            The Palestinian anti-Semitism is being used for propaganda purposes that meets two needs — to prove that anti-Semitism has a historical basis, representing a real and constant danger to today’s Israelis, and that the Jews had historical claims to Palestine that the Palestinians are trying to extinguish because of underlying anti-Semitism based in Muslim supremacist thinking.

          • PAthena

            Since calling Arabs “Palestinians” is part of the campaign against Jews and Israel, it is no wonder that these Arabs want to destroy Israel.

          • Americana

            I’d worry a lot less about the naming business and focus more on the realities of the provenance of the Palestinians in the region. It’s no wonder that pro-Israel propagandists are pushing the invented nation narrative so hard.

          • Drakken

            The reality, which you completely ignore, is that those palis ain’t going to get a goddamn thing, no state, no bloody nothing and if they persist in jihad, which they will, let allah sortem out in the end, which Israel will have no choice.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Provenance of Pal-e-SWINIANS? Like Egyptian born Pal-e-SWINIAN yassir arafat?

            Why does Hamass honcho khalid mashaal live in Qatar and not with his “people” in Gaza?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Briticana, Your OCD prevents you from seeing that Arabs/Muslims hate Jews, Christians, Bahai, Buddhists, Hindus, and the wrong kind of Muslim.

            Get thee to a psychiatrist or a neurologist who can prescribe an appropriate drug(s) for your many neurological problems.

          • Pete

            “After a certain point in time, say the early mid 1900s, most of the violence directed at Jews was because of the Palestinian Arabs trying to retain Palestine as a Palestinian homeland. ”

            “After a certain point in time, say the early mid 1900s”

            The Arab world had the Westbank and Gaza free and clear until June 5, 1967. The PLO was created in 1964.

            They already had their state, their homeland, before 1967 but they kept attacking Israel.

            Go back to Loonwatch Leftist.

          • Americana

            You have got to get out and read actual regional history if you think that the fact Jordan held onto Palestinian territory was welcomed by the Palestinians. You think the Palestinians were happy the West Bank was held captive by Jordan up until 1967 just because they were under an Arab king? Did Jordan declare the state of Palestine? Maybe I missed that declaration of statehood?

          • Daniel Greenfield

            There are no Palestinians.

          • Americana

            You’d like to think so. Demographic evidence says otherwise.

          • Drakken

            The Victors say what it is, not some entity that lost the wars they started.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            Paleswine are nothing but Arabic moslems. They have no unique culture, religion or language — unlike say, the Coptic Christians in Egyptistan.

          • hiernonymous

            The Palestinians disagree. For that matter, the UN – the organization that created the state of Israel – also disagrees.

          • Drakken

            I don’t give a rats azz what so called fakestinians or the UN has to say about anything, to the Victors go the spoils, as it has always been, as it will always bee and if your think that we are too civilized and have progressed beyond that, you could not be more wrong.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            I don’t give a “prophet” muhammeds azz either.

          • truebearing

            The UN isn’t the same organisation it was back then. Duh. It is run by crooks and ideologues of the Marxist or Muslim variety. Of course they don’t back Israel. That was a stupid thing to say. The UN gave Hamas its rockets back three times in this latest conflict. Those rockets were being kept in schools, which is a violation of the international laws the UN pretends to uphold.

            The Palestinians disagree? Now you’re giving creedence to genocidal nutjobs who teach little children to kill people, or who beat their own people and force them to act as human shields? Just how low are you willing to go to try to score a point in this deranged little game you’re playing?

          • hiernonymous

            “Of course they don’t back Israel. That was a stupid thing to say.”

            You were the only one who said it. What I said was that the UN disagrees that there are no Palestinians. One need not pretend that Palestinians don’t exist in order to support Israel.

            “Now you’re giving creedence to genocidal nutjobs…”

            No, they can buy their own music.

            “Just how low are you willing to go to try to score a point in this deranged little game you’re playing?”

            Acknowledging that the Palestinians exist isn’t going low at all. As for ‘scoring points,’ that’s your obsession, not mine.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            No they don’t. And sometimes they even tell the truth.

            http://www.memri.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/3389.htm

          • hiernonymous
          • JacksonPearson

            Yep, they were invented. Because there were no people ever by that name, or government, or coinage, or heritage…nothing, until Yasser Arafat.

          • Pete

            Did Jordan declare the state of Palestine? Maybe I missed that declaration of statehood?

            So prior to 1967 why did the PLO only attack Israel and not Egypt and Jordan?

          • Americana

            This is a fairly deep paper by Daniel Pipes on the whole Palestinian Arab/Jordanian litany of conflict and ties. You’re going to disagree w/Daniel Pipes? Here:

            http://www.danielpipes.org/298/is-jordan-palestine

            After a breakdown of diplomatic efforts between Jordan and the PLO in February 1986, the king announced that he speaks “as one who feels he is a Palestinian.” Soon after, ‘Akif al-Fayiz, President of the Jordanian Parliament, declared that “Jordan does not distinguish between its people on the East and on the West Bank. Our people is one and our family is one. We look forward to the day when the one family will resume its historic role.” Anwar al-Khatib, former Jordanian mayor of East Jerusalem, echoed these sentiments later in 1986: “Palestine, Jordan and Syria constituted one family until the British and French occupation in 1918, which drove the wedge of boundaries among us. We do not differentiate between our people, whether they live in Jordan, Syria, or Palestine.” One could go on endlessly citing such language; it is as common as honeybees on clover.

            For advocates of Jordan-is-Palestine, such claims suggest Arab agreement that Palestine and Jordan are identical. But this interpretation distorts the real character of these remarks, which are not disinterested analyses but propaganda ploys and declarations of hostile intent. Minimally, they establish diplomatic positions within inter-Arab arena. Maximally, they assert rights to expand and rule other regions; the PLO hopes to stake out a claim to territory it does not control; Amman seeks to protect territories it either controls or hopes one day to control again (the West Bank).

            Palestinians cast an occasional covetous glance toward the hinterland; this helps explain in part the Jordanian-PLO war of 1970. Their periodic claims to Husayn’s kingdom also reflect an intent to bring down the Hashemites as a aid to conquering Palestine. For their part, Jordanians have cast frequent envious glances at the coastline; ‘Abdallah spent long years plotting to establish a presence on the West Bank and his grandson Husayn, while more subtle and less driven, has also devoted many efforts to this end.

          • Drakken

            There isn’t an East Jerusalem, there is only Jerusalem, period. You kind sorta forgot to mention that those same arabs in West Bank tried to over throw ole King Hussein and the King returned the favor in spades by killing over 20,000 of them and expelling the rest.

          • Americana

            Now that’d be a really weird city if it didn’t have the four compass points, w/parts that are colloquially called East Jerusalem and West Jerusalem and West Podunk and East Podunk. That’d be such a weird city, should it be considered to be in the 10th dimension or something?

            Actually, I didn’t forget to mention the Palestinian coup attempt. I mentioned it in a roundabout way in a post where Pete was challenging me on why the Palestinians didn’t have a problem w/being ruled by an Arab king for a few decades. I suggested that they DID have a problem w/still desiring their own Palestinian nation and that their uprising had that as its source. I guess I cheated on writing this out by linking to a Daniel Pipes’ paper on the subject, though.

          • Drakken

            The arab palis wanted what the Jordanian muslims had, King Hussein objected and proved his point and sent in his Bedouin army and in typical muslim fashion, slaughtered all they could find. There will NEVER EVER be a Pali nation, they threw that chance away numerous times and the most idiotic of leftist at some point are going to come to the same conclusion.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            There might be a Pal-e-SWINE carved out of some Arab entity or Eurabia which has a imposed love affair with Islamofascism.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            Guess who King Hussein was directly related to?

          • Pete

            “Half of Jordan’s population are of Palestinian origin.” wiki

            Heck prior to 1967 Jordan could be considered the Palestinian state. It would be larger than Israel and have the West bank to boot.

            But if they did that they would not have the we have no homeland narrative.

          • Americana

            Then what happens to the Gaza Strip? That’s always been the trouble with having split up the Ottoman Empire, its disparate demographic components are not all of one mind on what they wish for themselves.

            http://www.danielpipes.org/298/is-jordan-palestine

          • Pete

            And Americana implies that breaking up an empire that was created through force and which you are at war with is a bad ideal because there might or will be complications.

            Sterling logic.

          • Americana

            bubba, that’s not my logic. that’s just the reality.

          • Pete

            Because smaller groups fighting is accessible to other people to see, but when ab empire liquadates population deep within their borders it can be hidden.

            If it is not seen then it never happened. No muss, no fusss. Americana has a happy day.

            Liquadating Christians through the Janissary system is kosher/halal in Americana’s book because it is done slowly over time. They do not wipe out an entire village at a time, it is death by a thousand cuts.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            Muslims have and had no qualms about exterminating villages of Christians, or Hindus, or Jews (in Al Andalus).

          • Americana

            Unless I actually STATE something as absurd as what you’ve written in your post above, don’t you dare attribute such idiocy to me. No entity can liquidate populations within their borders without the world knowing within minutes or days of its happening in modern times, depending on the communications system within that country, of course.

            I’m very glad for your sake that you see there’s no functional difference between kosher/halal slaughter though. I’d hate to have to reprise that little scuffle (kosher vs halal slaughter, are they the very same thing?) and dig out all the veterinary evidence and the testimonial stories of the Jewish rabbinical students.

          • Pete

            I will see if this posts.

            I’ll dare what I want.

            I don’t own the blog, but I think the comments are correct & refute you.

            “My Comment: And the world says nothing”

            http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2014/08/iraqs-religious-minorities-are-being.html

          • Pete

            I’ll dare what I want.

            Iraq’s Religious Minorities Are Being Slaughtered And ISIS Just Captured The Last Town Giving Them Shelter — Andrew Slater, Daily Beast

            http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/04/iraq-s-religious-minorities-are-being-slaughtered-and-isis-just-captured-the-last-town-giving-them-shelter.html

            The world knows about it and the world is doing jack & sh_t about it and jack ain’t here.

            The blogger (not me) below disagrees with you.

            My Comment: And the world says nothing.

            http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2014/08/iraqs-religious-minorities-are-being.html

          • Petr

            I’ll dare what I want.

            Iraq’s Religious Minorities Are Being Slaughtered And ISIS Just Captured The Last Town Giving Them Shelter — Andrew Slater, Daily Beast

            http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/04/iraq-s-religious-minorities-are-being-slaughtered-and-isis-just-captured-the-last-town-giving-them-shelter.html

            The world knows about it and the world is doing jack & sh_t about it and jack ain’t here.

            The blogger (not me) below disagrees with you.

            My Comment: And the world says nothing.

            http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2014/08/iraqs-religious-minorities-are-being.html

          • Pete

            I’ll dare what I want.

            I don’t own the blog, but I think the comments are correct and refute you.

            “My Comment: And the world says nothing”

            warnewsupdates.blogspot dot com/2014/08/iraqs-religious-minorities-are-being.html

          • Pete

            I’ll dare what I want.

            “If it is not seen, then it never happened. No muss, no fuss. Americana has a happy day.”

            So it is published one or twice in the Daily mail.So what? It is published in every major newspaper in the world a few times. Some diplomats and politicians say “Tsk, tsk”. The world knows and does nothing. Does not say very much when compared to other things.

            No muss, no fuss, you have a happy day.

            What follows is from a blog by a non-Western retired, foreign FSO. A person might considered the comment not to have a western bias.

            ***

            Iraq’s Religious Minorities Are Being Slaughtered By The Islamic State

            “My Comment: And the world says nothing.”

            http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2014/08/iraqs-religious-minorities-are-being.html

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Reality? When did you ever pay attention to Reality?

            ISIS, 160,000+ dead in Syria, Boko Haram, Al Qada, Islamofascist Jihad, 2005 bombing of London transport, 9/11…

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            A reality that only exists in the confines of your own mind.

          • Drakken

            Gaza was Egyptian territory as is the inhabitants of said area, even the goddamn Egyptians don’t want the dregs of arab society.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            “Welcomed” by your “paleswinians” who tried to overthrow King Hussein, who decided to clean Jordan of the fascist PLO – giving rise to the “black september”.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            “King Hussein” only took power from King Abdullah who was assassinated on the Temple Mount. King Hussein was the grandson of the Grand Mufti.

          • PAthena

            As I said before, the name “Palestina” was given to Judea by the Roman Emperor Hadrian in 135 A.D., after he had defeated the last Jewish rebellion under Bar Kochba. (He also outlawed Judaism and renamed Jerusalem “Aelia Capitolina,” “Aelius” being his gens name.)
            From that time, the name “Palestine” was synonymous with “land of the Jews” and “Palestinian” with”Jew.” That is why after World War I, Great Britain was awarded the “Palestine Mandate” to be “the homeland of the Jews.”
            Calling Arab non-Jews “Palestinian” is a consequence of Soviet propaganda. In Cairo in 1964, Gamal Nasser, ruler of Egypt, and the Soviet Union, haters of Jews and of Israel, founded the “Palestine Liberation Organization” (P.L.O.), the name showing its Soviet origins. When this organization massacred the Israeli athletes at the Olympic Games in Munich in 1972, these Arabs became known as “Palestinians.” Note that Russia under Vladimir Putin is against Israel.

          • Americana

            The name might be “synonymous w/the Jews” but that’s NOT the reason the Romans named the region “Palestine.” That historical connection of Jews to the region also doesn’t mean that the provenance of the Palestinian Arabs gets thrown on the historical trash heap just because MODERN Jews want their homeland resurrected thousands of years after it was conquered. Not only conquered by the Romans, but conquered by quite a number of other civilizations prior to the final conquering by the Romans.

            The whole naming convention that you’ve got going in your post is simply a historical blood feud taken to the level of propaganda. There may have been a role played by Russia in support of the PLO, but every power on earth had its fingers in the regional pie because of the region’s importance to the world’s oil supply. “Note that Russia under Vladimir Putin is against Russia” means what to you strategically viz Russian strategy for the region and the world?

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            Um, Putin traveled to Israel to meet w/PM Netanyahu.

          • Drakken

            Never give a goddamn muslim an inch for if you do they will take 10 miles, so fu*kem.

          • PAthena

            Jews have lived in what was called “Palestine,” (the term given to Judea by the Roman Emperor Hadrian in 135 A.D., after defeating the Jewish rebellion under Bar Kochba) for at least 3000 years, and Jews were living there all along, including when the Mohammedan Arabs conquered it. So Jews did not “colonize” or “retake” “Palestine.”

          • Americana

            Jews who immigrated to Palestine most certainly did “colonize” and “retake” Palestine. There wasn’t an Israeli state there. The Jews insisted on creating one and pressured all sorts of world governments to create a Jewish homeland. The fact that Jewish state that, once declared, willingly incorporated those Jews living in the region is another aspect of the equation entirely.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            “The Arabs were committing violence against Jews because of the colonization”

            The Arabs were committing violence against Jews because their religion told them to

          • Americana

            Daniel, their religion permits them to fight against invaders who take their land or commit other injustices. If it was simply that their religion told them to kill Jews as their duty and, every single week, say at the Friday prayer session, their imams told the Muslims to go out and slay Jews as their daily duty, there would be no Jews in the region. So present circumstances are the confluence of ancient animosity, religious prescription of jihad against invaders, and being denied statehood.

          • Habbgun

            Yeah….tell that to the victims of Boko Haram. Tell that to Shia butchered by Sunni. Sunni butchered by Shia. Hide the Jihad, hyuk, hyuk, hyuk.

          • Webb

            Jews shoot back. Makes it impossible for the muslims to do their duty. Search Gaza for a current example of this phenomenon. Had Mewlhammed been honest he would’ve written that Mr. Tree & Mr. Rock will call out, O moosleem man, there is a Jew hiding behind me with a state-of-the-art battle rifle and plenty of ammo, come and try to kill him!

          • Webb

            P.S. Your 72 virgin he-goats are in heat for you, so do not frustrate them!

          • Drakken

            What part of islam aren’t you quite getting? What part are you thick on? The ragheads kill because they are told to do it by the devils book the Koran tells them so dumbazz. Not because someone hurt their goddamn feelings. It has nothing to do with statehood, it is because a goddamn infidel has the audacity an gall to be there in the first place. The same goatfuc*ers who are slaughtering Christians around the muslim world are the same goat fuc*ers that want all the Jews dead and gone.

          • AMerrySlunta

            I am not getting why they won’t rape me, yet they will rape the goats! What charms do the goats hold for them that I do not? A health certificate?

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Their religion tells them to bring the world under the control of Islam.

            There were rather few Jews in the region. They were tolerated only to the degree that they paid protection money, as all dhimmis under Muslim rule are.

          • Americana

            If there were relatively few Jews in the region, then it wasn’t really accurate to declare a Jewish state by claiming there was prior Jewish provenence, was it?

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            Yeah the 1929 Jerusalem pogrom was all because of the modern state of Israel, anachronistically speaking that is.

          • Americana

            The British were trying to DISARM both the Jews and the Palestinian Arabs. You disagree w/that? If you disagree w/that then the “deluded” adjective goes back at ya.

          • Pete

            If I went to the Deep South from the 1870s to the 1950s and tried to disarm both sides. Two things would happen. I probably could not disarm the whites as effectively as the blacks and i would have lots of dead black people.

            There was a reason why Martin Luther king had a gun. It kept him alive.

            Back to the drawing board with you.

          • Drakken

            Where the f**k do you learn your history from because you know exactly jacksh*t? You might want to read up on ole Pasha Glubb and what he did and what he organized and which the ragheads would have never ever been able to organize a goat fuc*ing party without him.

          • Webb

            Mr. Tree & Mr. Rock are crying out, O moosaleem mon, this Americunta is taking on the whole Palestini army over here behind us and yet she is calling out for more! Leave your goats and come to help your brothers prove moosaleem manhood!

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            The British authorities disarmed Jewish freedom fighters, I don’t think they ever did the same thing to Arab terrorists.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            The British were collaborating with Muslim attacks against the indigenous Jewish population.

          • Americana

            I don’t believe that’s true that it was a matter of policy. Don’t just state such a bald accusation. Produce some proof of an overarching British reason for colluding w/the Palestinian Arabs against the Jews. There were certainly instances where the British were caught between the Palestinians and the Jews. With such a ferocious internecine insurrection, it would have been a miracle if the British had never run afoul of either group. The Palestinians also have many of their own stories of claims of the British siding w/the Jews.

            There ARE NO GROUNDS for such British collusion, therefore, to me, it makes no sense to claim it. That would serve absolutely NO strategic purpose. There were individual British servicemen who joined the Arab League after they were demobilized post-WW II but that was either a matter of them choosing to remain mercenaries or they believed in the Arab cause, perhaps because of their involvement w/Arab forces during WW II. Most British service members who joined the Arab League had been seconded to Arab forces during WW II. British forces from Europe didn’t join the Arab League army en masse.

          • Habbgun

            You might be right about the policy part. Churchill denounced the dirty war against the Jews. It was British hatred. The kind you demonstrate. Brits were quite happy to run the Arab legion. Nice bunch of impartial people. Next you’ll tell me you’re impartial.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            I thought Arab Legion took orders from Jordan — at least during the ’48′ War of Independence?

          • Habbgun

            Yes, they were associated with Trans-Jordan but the actual officers were British. See Glubb Pasha. It is an eye opener. Most people haven’t learned the methods Brits used in Israel. They are hated by both Jews and Arabs.

            http://www.historynet.com/glubb-pasha-and-the-arab-legion.htm

          • Daniel Greenfield

            The British strategy back then depended on Muslim puppet regime kingdoms. Jews were in the way.

            The White Paper marked a change of policy that climaxed in British officers leading Arab soldiers against Israel during the War of Independence and air clashes between Israeli and British planes.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            The IAF got the best of the RAF spitfires in those engagements. I think the RAF was intervening on behalf of Egyptian islamic-fascists based on some sort of Anglo-Egyptian military pact.

          • Webb

            British reason? They wanted to. Easy question.
            Next?

          • hiernonymous

            Were they also collaborating with Muslim attacks against the much larger immigrant Jewish population?

          • Gee

            Ah yes King David Hotel yet again – British MILITARY Headquarters – that the British put inside a civilian hotel – A WAR CRIME mind you.

            Organizations that responded to a series of British war crimes – yes the British were just about as bad as the Nazis.

            In fact the British invented the term Concentration Camp and the methods used by the Germans. They were forcing Jews into Concentration Camps in Germany and Cyprus after the war.

            And you expect Jews to just take it. Sorry that we weren’t gentlemen about it – but considering the low-life we were forcing to leave our lands – too f*cking bad

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The British? The British who waged War on the Americans post 1776 and later in 1812?

            The Americans and Israelis, amongst others, convinced the British to pack up and return home.

            BTW, Briticana, Israelis didn’t bomb London transport on 7/7/05 or behead British soldier Lee Rigby.

            Those REAL terrorist attacks were perpetrated by your own heroic Islamists.

          • Webb

            Beautiful. Thanks, I missed that all this time. Plus, they were even warned that they were using unknowing human shields. What did the dumb barsterd Brits think was going to happen? Errrr, duhhhh . . .

          • Americana

            Sorry, Gee, but I think you’ve got your timeline all screwed up. The term ‘concentration camp’ began to be used DURING WW II when the Allies realized civilian populations were being rounded up and sent to them. The first mention of these camps as being ‘concentration camps’ was in private correspondence. The British therefore couldn’t possibly have invented the term ‘concentration camp’ after WW II.

            If you were honest, you’d also admit that the DP camps were only erected because it was a logistics problem to get ALL DP individuals BACK to their correct homeland and approximate location. Not only were logistics a problem but the millions in the concentration camps couldn’t simply be repatriated in that condition. They needed to be held and nursed back to some minimal state of health before being released.

            It wasn’t “your lands” at the time. And it is too f**king bad that the Jews didn’t wait because that allowed at least ONE of the major Israeli wars to occur and begin to set this entire process in motion of reprisal followed by reprisal amongst Israel and the Arab nations. But if you’re set on the idea of nationhood at any price, of course, you’ll think they did just the right thing. I don’t expect the “Jews to just take it,” I expect them not to be strategic idiots. The fact Israel has won every war but has now unleashed a far graver threat to Israel and the rest of the world signifies that their strategy thus far has not worked.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            Yeah Lehi tried to bomb the House of Commons in the UK — get f’ing real. Just because wikipedia repeats the same islamic propaganda doesn’t make it any more the truth than the idea that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. For islamic-nazis they seem to think the more times they repeat their lies the more truthful they become.

          • CoolTolerance

            I’m a translator and I never use Wiki for research. Can’t trust it.

          • Americana

            You’re a translator of what? If you know enough about the subject to read the Wiki entry and detect any anomalies and/or outright mistakes, you most certainly can use Wiki entries. Sometimes, Wiki is the only information source that has a relatively concise information packet. It should always be roughly checked over, of course.

          • CoolTolerance

            I disagree. I translate most topics except mechanical and technology. There are so many ways to Goggle a question to find the exact info, it takes some ingenuity at times i.e. out-of-the-box thinking.
            A translator must fully grasp the subject matter and concise info won’t help. All pertinent info must be triple-checked with other sources also for accuracy.

          • JeromeD

            I’m jewish, and I think its more than reasonable to say that Irgun and Haganah were terrorist organizations.

            That said, many of your facts are off, and in ways that dramatically impact your narrative.

            One example:

            You state “Following the failure of Zionist and Arab representatives to reach agreement over the future of Palestine, the British announced their desire to terminate the mandate and withdraw by no later than the beginning of August 1948.”

            This is a strange and counter-factual interpretation of what actually occurred. The omission and conclusion-drawing create a narrative that runs quite askew of history.

            Remember: the UN General Assembly adopted the resolution to partition Palestine late in November of 1947. The following May, Israel would become a state – and the Palestinian mandate, in Britain’s eyes, would end (though there is a rather bullet-proof argument that a mandate is a binding international agreement qualified as a “sacred trust” [article 80 of the UN charter] that does not dissipate based on the original party’s whim).

            While I believe a thorough reading of international law quite squarely reveals the mandate to be binding to this very day, it seems that the British were of a different opinion, and terminated the mandate in favor of adopting the UN partition (rather than pulling out due to frustration, and without an accepted structure in the region).

        • PATRIOT.WW48

          please, please, do not respond to ‘americana’. thank you.

          • Habbgun

            Actually we should. We should follow her to the other websites she goes to. Trolls don’t like that very much. I used to do that to a few and they went away. They don’t like being called out elsewhere. Makes them think their “audience” is leaving them. This is a pure emotional high for her and it is about time we follow her and make sure she gets all the high she craves.

          • PATRIOT.WW48

            OK, you convinced me. GO FOR IT. :o)

          • Drakken

            Come on Army dog ;) You of all people would never back out of a fight.

          • truebearing

            Give her a dose of her own medicine. Leftists hate being treated the way they treat others, They also hate humor that makes them the butt of the joke. Your Chauncey Gardener comment was a perfect example.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            I LOVE called socialists FASCISTS.

            It really gets their goat.

          • Americana

            (HABBGUNwilltravelforharassmentpurposes) “They don’t like being called out elsewhere. Makes them think their “audience” is leaving them.”

            Is it just me or is there something weird about Habbgun’s thinking in that sentence? I mean if you’re following me to another web site, wouldn’t that mean my audience is following me around? That would be a good thing, no?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Yeah. It’s just you.

          • Webb

            Uh, following you to relieve themselves on top of your head, sweetie. Cuz you don’t mind.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Habbgun AKBAR!

            This is also a War of ideas. Socialism and Islamofascism needs to be battled and defeated on all fronts.

      • truebearing

        FPM’s resident anti-semitic comes to the rescue of the UN! How predictable.

        You seem a bit frantic and disjointed in your lame attempt to refute my comments…which you failed to do quite spectacularly.

        Israel would have never been bullied into giving up control of Gaza if it wasn’t for the UN. And even if they had, without the UN’s support through international propaganda, money, and threats against Israel, the IDF would have annhilated Hamas by now…but it’s not too late for that overdue solution.

        There were no threats in my comment, dim wit. Just facts. You need a dictionary, or better yet, a shred of honesty.

        The US has some longstanding commitments to Israel, made under Bush. Obama can’t renege without a mass defection of Jewish voters and campaign contributions from Democratic Jews who are wavering already.

        The UN is meddling with our constitution, elections, and now illegal border violations. They have presided over numerous international situations where they traded influence for money or power. Only a bona fide idiot, or a practiced liar, would deny they are acting like a world government in the making.

        Reuters? Josh Earnst? Laughable sources from a pathetic troll.

      • Quisling

        I agree with Americana.

        Israel is committing war crimes, when they target hospitals and schools. It does not matter that if Hamas is using the parts of the hospital for a command and control center or if it is using the roof to launch rockets at Sderot.

        It would not matter if Hamas launched a nuclear tipped missile or rocket of the roof of the hospital.

        The hospital must be respected as a civilian building!

        “UN: Israel, Hamas May Be Guilty of War Crimes”
        http://www.voanews.com/content/israel-and-hamas-might-be-guilty-of-war-crimes/1968815.html

        • truebearing

          Naughty girl! You’re mocking poor Dullicana. :)

        • PAthena

          So Great Britain and the United States were committing “war crimes” when they bombed German cities?

          • the skeptic

            Don’t deceive yourself. I recall Curtis Lemay:

            I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Bombs Away LeMay.

        • Habbgun

          Are you in character as Eurotrash, Occupying bucket crapping leftist or Moslem Jihadist. Hard to tell the difference these days. I believe the difference is that Moslems have heard of wiping but their religion says not to do it.

        • Drakken

          Do you need a tissue for your sniveling bowing down to the Islamic savages that take our decency for a green light to kill us with? Where ever the fu**ing savages hide or fight from is open game, to h*ll with the bleeding heart do gooders. When you fu** with the bull, your going to get the horns. You call it war crimes, I call it what it is, warfare.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Drakken AKBAR!

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Quisling, Hamass needs more useful idiots for their “Human Shield Dome”.

          Get on it.

        • JacksonPearson

          You’re either ignorant, stupid, a Muslim sympathizer, or all of the above. But for sure, don’t even attempt to come here and insult intelligent people..:

      • gerry

        They went out about their liberation business,just the like the people who brought us 9/11 the wtc bombing,the Boston bombing.They were celebrated in the US as well as overseas.

      • liz

        Sleep on. You are in for a rude awakening.
        There’s a sucker born every minute!

  • Terry

    Good call, but I can’t imagine any of the western world’s current powder puff ‘leaders’ being bold enough to defund UNRWA. We don’t have a Thatcher , Reagan or a Kennedy in charge anywhere. All I see is a sea of neville chamberlains, industriously appeasing the same evil that killed 60 million people in WW2.

    • Americana

      You don’t scrap a car when it comes off the assembly line and does not start. You trouble shoot the problem and make repairs. We can fix the problems with the UNRWA.

      • Americana

        Ah, so cute, welcome my alter egotist! (sic, puny funny). Enjoy using my handle.

        Just remember, folks, I wear “lipstick.” The real ‘Americana’ posts w/her name in RED TYPE, while the NEW ‘Americana’ wannabe posts in grey type. Some of my old posts appear in grey as well but you’ll recognize the difference in facts and tone from the faker.

        • truebearing

          Six of one, half a dozen of the other…

          One of your many personalities wears lipstick? So do trannies.

          • Drakken

            HEY! You stole my line ! You owe me a bourbon! ;)

        • Habbgun

          That’s the point luv. We can’t. Americana Grey had you down to a fault. Especially nut job self references etc. If you are easy to satire to the point of being absolutely unrecognizable that’s on you luv.

          Satire is an excellent tool to show what is BS. You’ve been outed as a fool luv. A complete fool. There is no Wikipedia you can go to prove otherwise.

          Sorry luv.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM
          • Webb

            Hi, I’m Americunta. Which end do you want? My Palistini friends prefer corn hole.

        • Webb

          Believe it or not shitferbrains, it’s easy for us to recognize the diff between satire and insanity.

        • IslamDownpressesHumanity

          But WHERE do you wear your lipstick?

      • Wolfthatknowsall

        If it’s a lemon, you scrap it. The UN is a lemon …

      • Habbgun

        Could we do a recall at least??

        • Americana

          UN officials are selected from among diplomats and other hangers on. Western governments have some say, but their vote is diluted by nations like Iran, China, Russia and others.

          If western nations did choose UN officials in toto, it is too much for the average voter to keep track after local, state and national elections. Presidents like Clinton and Obama will do as they please. More than 3 levels of government is too much to juggle.

          So no there will be no recall. Deal with it!

          • Habbgun

            Honor the warranty at least ?? They don’t honor the warranty and they charge dealer prices and they’ve got a monopoly on the parts. Freakin’ commies.

    • 1Indioviejo1

      We need to elect a T-Party President in 2016 who will want to reduce expenditures, take care of the national debt, and balance budgets. Then we can tell the UN that our contribution to the UN’s subsistence will be the same as any other member of the General Assembly. UNRWA, Unicef, and all other dependencies may get from us what everybody else pays. This is an offer they can’t refuse, since beggars can’t be choosy.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Defund the UNRWA doesn’t go far enough. Abandon and defund the UN ASAP because it is nothing but a cesspool of Islamic totalitarians and Marxist totalitarians that hate freedom and that work continuously to destroy freedom. Indeed, today the UN is nothing but an instrument of jihad and a tool of Marxist totalitarians.

    • John Pallyswine

      The Un rewards failure; 21 Arab ”countries” and at least 10 Latrino ”countries” whose leaders are quasi bullies whose families control a lot of the ”country” they lead.

      Here is the video of Chris ” Slimey Limey” Gunness crying because he may lose his job. Perhaps a CEO watching will have a place for him as a secretary.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu3lYK6OmMI

      • reader

        Ahhhh…. so cute. The UN version of Boehner.

      • IslamDownpressesHumanity

        What does the Arabic scrawl in the poster on his wall say?

  • 1Indioviejo1

    Daniel, the USA needs to fund our share of the UN budget equally among all members of the general Assembly. We also need to defund UNRWA, Unicef, and all other agencies which subsist on our tax Dollars.

  • Evermyrtle

    Hamas does not value her children, I have to wonder how their parents must feel when some of their children will die for the country with bombs strapped to their little bodies. We can see their lack of value for their children in the fact that children and teenagers dug the tunnels from Gaza into Israel, many died doing this task.

    We need to get Hamas people out of our country, because they fully intend to take over and think what life will be like, then. Some of our leaders are with Hamas, many of them Islamists who promote the downfall of our nation that have been in progress for many years and the speed of the overtaking has increased enormously in the last 5 years. If we do not turn to the only who can save this country we will not survive as a free country. Our only saving grace is in the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. If we accept this fact and live for HIM and we can stop this evil in it’s tracks. According the way I understand GOD’S WORD, we will continue to turn our backs on HIM.

    We are in the last days JESUS is coming for HIS people soon.

    Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Hamass has already brainwashed their slaves to aspire to DIE for Hamass for the reward of 72 virgins.

      Pal-e-SWINIANS should get their own country, in H E L L, where their values will be appreciated.

  • dgala

    I do not support cutting funding for UNRWA. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. Cut funding for the UN then kick the institution completely out of the USA. We don’t need them, especially seeing as how most members outright hate the USA.

    DEFUND THE UNITED NATIONS, NOW!!

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Sure, but this is a more realistic place to start.

      • Wolfthatknowsall

        Agree completely …

    • truebearing

      That is a great goal, but not something that can happen overnight. First we have to unseat the UN’s representatives in our government, starting with Obama.

    • PAthena

      Why does UNRWA (UN Refugee …) exist? It does not take care of refugees in general, including those from North Korea, but only Arabs who left Israel after it was established. It should not exist.

    • Habbgun

      Israel should have left the UN long before this. Packed up and left. Then we all wouldn’t have to pretend whom the UN works for.

  • Webb

    Time to destroy the UN. It has no business being on American soil. Think about it. Who is to stop us from scraping this oozing tumor off the surface of our own country? Nobody cares enough about it to defend it with their lives, so how easy would that be? It’s like the Satanic Tower of Babel is back and now they think that headsets hooked up to translators will be enough to overcome the will of G-d.

  • Stephen Powell

    Thanks to UNRWA, Palestinians have enjoyed the highest birthrate on the planet for nearly 70 years. The Palestinians have openly weaponized procreation, with a birthrate twice that of Israel. The response of UNRWA has been to increase funding. What was once a refuge issue involving a couple hundred thousand people is now an unsolvable demographic debacle involving millions of Palestinians born and raised on UN charity. Absent a resort to genocidal warfare by Israel, it is a mathematical certainty that the Palestinian weaponization of procreation with UNRWA assistance will prevail through sheer demographic force of numbers. The UN has been explicitly waging war against Israel via UNRWA for two generations. It has set the stage for a human tragedy of historic proportions. The US has no business funding this amoral and grossly dysfunctional agency.

    • reader

      The population growth rates have proven to be a lie. In fact, the numbers are padded as part of the straight out extortion scheme, whereas they get funding for headcount. That’s what Caroline Glick has repeatedly pointed out.

      • Gee

        The growth rates claimed by the Arabs are inflated, but they are still huge.

        In 1967 there were 282,000 people is Gaza (Israeli count) today at least 1.3 million. So a growth rate of 461% is huge.

        • IslamDownpressesHumanity

          Terrible, a veritable army of Jew hating islamic retards.

    • Dana Parker

      Theirs is one of the highest birthrates on the planet. About half the population in Gaza is under 18. Being in a holy war for Islam, globally, Hamas may be intentionally sacrificing Gazans to achieve its goal. They’ve taken pipes supplied by Israel for their sewage systems and diverted them into rockets. They’ve taken cement used for water wells and diverted that for their tunnels. The result: “Raw sewage from Gaza is polluting Ashkelon beaches.” The UN will no doubt try to blame Israel for their high fertility and low concern for health.

  • donqpublic

    Out of curiosity, I looked up the UN’s list of member nations that have been on the Security Council. Some of them have been rather despicable as nations go. Just about every national culture and ethnic group has made the rotating guest membership with the full time members, the US, England, Russia, China, and France. Israel had never been on the Security Council. I wonder why?

    • Patriot077

      Well, it’s a farce is why. The UN is virulently against them. And us. When Iran is on the Human Rights Council, and the US is being accused of human rights violations, it tells us that the UN functions in Oppositesland.

    • American Patriot

      England is not a country. England is one of four internal divisions (along with Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland) of the country known as the United Kingdom (or Britain). Calling the UK “England” is offensive to the people of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, the UK’s three other constituent parts. England does not have international recognition nor does England have its own embassies in othercountries. There is no way England can be a member of the United Nations, let alone the Security Council. The official name of one of the permanent security council members is the country called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, not the Kingdom of England.

      • donqpublic

        Frankly, I don’t give a damn if they find it offensive, it’s shorthand and it works for me, Have a nice day or eat……. whatever.

        • R D

          If you’re too lazy to use accurate terms in your posts, you’re too lazy to get to bedrock truth. Regardless of what you say henceforward, you and Screw Socialism can’t be trusted commentators. Little things count. Americans, like James Madison and Ronald Reagan, cared deeply about the petty details. That’s one quality that distinguishes American Patriot from the two of you, even if the three of you seem to agree on the issue.

          • donqpublic

            Well, if the folks in the United Kingdom are that upset over my use of England they should remove Shakespear from their core curriculum.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Most Americans, expect for Anglo philes could not care less about the petty details.

        When Americans say English/British/UK, it’s all the same to us.

      • IslamDownpressesHumanity

        I thought England was now called W. Pakistan?

    • Webb

      If the Third Reich was revived it would be on the Security Council before Israel.

  • William

    Obama’s policy towards the mideast only perpetuates war and violence. He gives Israel billions of dollars so they can arm themselves to the teeth and gives the Palestinians just enough to survive, to keep them as moving targets for the IDF.

    • unionville

      Israel should be armed to the teeth. They are surrounded by people with a mordant philosophy concerning the rights of the Jewish people to exist at all, let alone within defensible borders.

      • Americana

        They ARE armed to the teeth. Exactly what would you add to their arsenal to make them armed to the point of dentures, Terminators? If the Palestinians had a ‘mordant philosophy,’ the two nations wouldn’t be where they are now says someone known for her mordant humor.

        • truebearing

          You are known for humor? I suppose anti-semitism does pass for humor in your crowd.

          Make sure they are laughing with you, not at you.

        • unionville

          I said they should be armed to the teeth. Not that they weren’t armed to the teeth.

          Your last sentence is just sheer nonsense. There have been too many statements made and too many actions that prove you wrong. The latest being what just occurred today during the “ceasefire”. If the shelling of Israel stopped, and the Palestinians went about their business and let the Israelis go about theirs, there would be peace between them.

        • Kebert Xela

          I’m pretty sure you knew unionville meant ‘morbid’ philosophy.

          A people who “love death more that you love life”, by their own account, who believe in a religion that tells them that before the last day can come the Jews must be hunted down and killed, by the Muslims, (and that even the rocks and trees will betray the Jews to the Muslims) are not a people with whom coexistence is rationally possible.

          • unionville

            I meant mordant. As in corrosive.

      • reader

        All they need is for hypocrites to get off their back and let them resolve this conflict like it’s done elsewhere. Heavy military blow against HAMAS, not against the tunnels one by one. Don’t sacrifice IDF soldiers to spare HAMAS human shields. This is the most cowardly and heinous of HAMAS war crimes and they must bear responsibility for it.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Billy boy, If Israel were “the problem”, then your favorite fascists, the islamofascists, would be at Peace and Lovey Dovey with non-Israelis/non-Zionists/non-Jews every where else in the world.

      Is that the case???

      Are your islamofascists living in peace with Bahais, Buddhists, Christians, HIndus, Jews, and the wrong kind of Muslim?

      • William

        I place most of the blame on America.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Of course comrade.

          Muslims killing Muslims in Iraq and Syria and Libya and Fascist Iran is Americas fault.

          LOL!

          • William

            Look at the state of Iraq today, and google USA Operation Ajax Iran.

        • IslamDownpressesHumanity

          You’re either six shades of stupid or a very bad liar.

    • Webb

      Did you miss the photo of his hole bent over for the Saudi King? As a submissive muslim, Obama is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. He doesn’t give a fig for how many homeless unwanted arabs squatting around Israel’s borders get killed. Don’t think you can pop up on FPM lying to me and think I won’t call you out for the swishy perfidious pile of dogdung you are. Towel boy

      • William

        At least he’s not holding hands with and kissing Saudis like Bush did.. I bet you never complained about GW’s even closer ties to the Saudi Royals.

    • IslamDownpressesHumanity

      LOL, gee, Israel wouldn’t be attacking Gaza because of the more than one thousand rocket and mortar rounds fired into Israel unilaterally would it?
      Would you mind if someone were to begin raking your house randomly w/gunfire? After all, the chances are nothing of importance would be hit right?

  • http://www.apollospeaks.com/ ApolloSpeaks

    WOULD ISIS RULING GAZA BE PREFERABLE TO HAMAS?

    The answer is YES!

    Click http://www.apollospeaks.com for the resaon why.

    • Drakken

      Don’t worry, ISIS is on their way or are there already.

  • Suzanne

    This is the best exposure of UNRWA that I’ve read yet. It was very eye opening and to the point. One can only hope that the people in power FINALLY DO SOMETHING about it! This promoting of Islamism and terror has gone on for years and years at the UN. I’m SO sick of feeling so defeated by our spineless politicians who know full well about this but refuse to defund and shut the UN down. Meanwhile, we in the US just gave Hamas 47 MILLION dollars! I’d love to know WHO gave permission for that?! Sad to say, but sometimes, we live in a sick, upside down world.

  • JKEllsworth

    Great article expose! This really should become a front page story. Would you mind adding some links or cites to some of the vital facts you mentioned? Editors wanting to confirm some of this may be lazy and FPM would not be considered a neutral source.

    *local employees at between 90 and 99 percent. . . . *The UNRWA only runs 96 schools in the West Bank, but it runs 245 schools in Gaza. It employs less than 3,000 education staffers in the West Bank, but over 10,000 in Gaza. . . . *educational system for 232,000 pupils. . . . *The UNRWA’s Gaza staff has its own union. In the 2012 election, a pro-Hamas bloc won the support of most of the union with 25 out of 27 seats on a union board.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Everything listed besides the 90-99 percent is already linked

  • El Cid

    the problem of “unfunding’ UNRWA is that Israel will be expected to be responsible for the people. The Arabs will not fund UNRWA. They hate the Palestinian Arabs, Hamas in particular. All the “noise” is only because they hate Jews more, and they hate Jews with Guns every more.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Israel already is

      • ADamRant

        Israel supplies free electricity, water and emergency medical care to Gaza residents. During the current hostilities, Israel is exporting 100 tons of food and supplies per day to Gaza.

        • Kebert Xela

          How silly is it that we live in a world in which Israel would be accused of ‘war crimes’ if it did not logistically support those that wish to exterminate them all?

        • IslamDownpressesHumanity

          I haven’t heard a single talking head on the enemedia mention this. Instead they all rant and rave about disproportional civilian deaths — as if Israel is attacking Gaza for no reason whatsoever other than killing people.

  • JKEllsworth

    Then UNRWA also supplies textbooks and curricula to their students. However, neither PA or Gaza textbooks show Israel on their maps.

    • Drakken

      Oh look! Target practice!

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Hamass Halloween?

      Is this what UNICEF wants to known for?

  • Metatrona

    UNRWA = The ass-kissers of Hamas!

  • ADamRant

    25 of 27 UNWRA employee union board seats were won by Hamas members.
    Almost all if not all UNWRA employees are Hamas members.
    UNWRA did not stop HAMAS from building munitions or tunnels.
    Therefore all deaths on both sides are the fault of UNWRA.
    http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/defund-the-unrwa/

    • Mike J.

      As a UN body, they have clearly failed their assignment. They had a legal duty to prevent threats, and have done the opposite. It’s more than negligence, it’s tacit approval Note Article 1, paragraph 1 of the UN Charter:

      To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, . .

      Were they involved in facilitating acts of genocide? According to the UN, they have special duties, among them:

      They are required to “alert the Sectretary-General and, through him, the Security Council, to situations where there is a risk of genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleansing, or crimes against humanity.”

      Were they aware of the Hamas Charter? is the sky blue?

  • Rita

    UN = UNRWA.
    UNRWA = HAMAS
    HAMAS kills children
    ergo:
    UNRWA kills the children of Gaza
    conclusion:
    UN kills the children of Gaza

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      And UNICEF is responsible for the child abuse Hamass does to every child.

      BOYCOTT UNICEF for tolerating Islamofascist Child Abuse and Child Rape and Child Soldiers.

    • William

      UN has blood on its hands for the war in Iraq. Bush used resolution 1441 as his excuse to start killing people over there.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Socialism has blood on its hands for WW2 and for its support of islamofascist Jihad in the 21st century.

        • William

          Uh, Jihadis do not want socialism, They see it as too liberal and atheistic. Anyways, socialism fell out of fashion in America by 1940.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Socialist want Islamofascism.

            It’s the old “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”.

            What is “progressive” about forcing women to obey dress codes, FGM, shooting girls in the head for wanting an education?

          • William

            No. Socialists want a secular democratic state, not a theocratic dictatorship.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Secular and “democratic” like Cuba and its 55 year old Castro family dictatorship.

            LOL!

          • William

            American Socialists are a different breed of socialist. They are social democrats. The US Socialist Party for example.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Socialists are all the same. They back Islamofascists, the latest incarnation of fascism, because Socialists see Islamofascists as allies in the Socialist War on America.

            Why did your Bill Ayers dedicate a book to the assassin, among others, of US Senator Robert F. Kennedy?

          • William

            Bill Ayers doesn’t like the government much. In the past he declared war on them. I don’t recall him ever threatening RFK. Maybe because he was spying on Bill’s friends.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Which government does BA like?

            KGB Putins Russia? Castros Cuba? Venezuela past home of the sulfur infused smelling hugo chavez?

            Are you aware that your hero, bill ayers, wrote a book/pamphlet DEDICATED to, among others, the Pal-e-SWINIAN assassin of US Senator Robert F. Kennedy?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Secular and “democratic” like North Korea or the Assad family dictatorship or KGB Putins Russia?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            “Anyways, socialism fell out of fashion in America by 1940.”

            Anything to do with the Socialist hitler and Socialist Stalin non-Aggression pact of 1939?

          • William

            Actually, America later allied with the Soviets to defeat the Nazis. But I am talking about real socialism and Marxism in America. There used to be millions of Communists, socialists and Progressives in the USA during the 1930s in what was called the Progressive Era.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Yeah. Later. AFTER your National SOCIALIST na zi Germany reneged on the SOCIALIST non-Aggression pact and invaded Soviet SOCIALIST Union in 1941.

  • Tzipporah

    100%

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGJajyjMCbs
    I am glad you wrote this as I feel this way too. The US government should be responsible for child abuse of Gaza children. It is a crime to support Hamas. They should be sued for supporting Hamas, a know Terrorist organization. It is illegal.

  • Shel Zahav

    This entire article is true. UNRWA’s job is to foment hatred against Israel.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      The UN Human Rights Committee was dissolved because it became too corrupt.

      The UN needs to be dissolved too – and reconstituted minus the anti-democratic entities in the Islamist and Socialist world.

  • thor42 [Friend of Israel]

    ** Outstanding article!! **

    Daniel, I am from New Zealand and I have *long* argued that UNRWA is one of the biggest *vipers* in the Middle East and should long ago have been kicked out.

    There are four steps that I believe could make a big difference to Gaza –

    1 – Defund UNRWA. To continue to fund them is *unforgivable*.
    2 – Kick out UNRWA from Gaza and the West Bank.
    3 – Close its schools – sorry – *brainwashing centres*.
    4 – Reopen the schools as “deprogramming centres”. The children would be told that all of the rubbish they’ve been fed in the last 60+ years is a *lie*.
    Tell them that Israelis are *good* people. That Israel has contributed *massively* to the world (show them the list of Jewish Nobel Laureates).

    There – that would be a good start.

  • Miri Key

    It is time for all taxpayers to stop this bs behaviour of the UNRWA. Three times rockets were found in Un schools, they never did anything. Tunnels wre found in the hospital the UN founded, they never did anything. The school and hospital were build with our money. We have the right to say no, to these things. So both the UNRWA and the UN can go home.

    • Sam Houston

      Down with the PLO and Hamas support as well.

  • FactsRule

    Good job, but I’d have mentioned the startling fact, as I understand it, that this is the only UN agency of its kind. No other refugees are or have ever been assisted directly by the UN, unless it was very short-lived. This one was formed in 1949! It was to help the losers of a civil war they started.

  • vlparker

    I don’t know why we don’t just leave the UN. It is an anti US anti Israel organization. It is beyond useless. We need to get out and kick it out of NY.

  • IslamDownpressesHumanity

    When I get any donation materials for UNICEF I put it exactly where it belongs — in the trash.

  • USARetired

    Where does the World come up with so many ignorant people, No not the ones who infiltrated, The ones who allowed them in in the first place! The World could run on a lot less ignorant people!

  • Americana

    Certainly not all Jewish terrorism was directed at civilian targets, but quite a bit of if it was. Trains derailed and buses bombed? Those derailments and bombings weren’t aimed at strictly military targets. The longer the Irgun and the Haganah fought the British, the BROADER the range of chosen targets and the less concern was shown to restrict victims to military or diplomatic corps. Why did the Israeli terrorists finally choose to operate in the British Isles and bomb civilian targets? Oh, and if you don’t know, DIPLOMATIC CORPS are ALWAYS supposed to be considered off limits to such terrorist military action. I admire some of what the Irgun and Haganah did but I certainly don’t endorse all their targets.

  • Michael O’Neill

    Its very interesting to see an attack on the UN alleging that it is a front for Hamas. Especially at at time when the ceasefire has just been broken by Rocket Fire. Rocket fire that no-one is owning up to starting. Just as no-one owned up to murdering in cold blood the 3 Israeli Students last month. Something doesn’t smell right here.

  • Michael O’Neill

    As for Hamas, everyone knows they are controlled by Israel. That’s old news from 2008! http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=16447

  • Michael O’Neill

    More important on the world stage is how countries are viewing Israels abduction, abuse and torture of Palestinian Children, I’d say the UN is the least of Israel’s worries right now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqL048x4msM