Empire State Building Denies Muslim $5 Mil Shakedown Attempt

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Fahad and Amina Tirmizi claimed that Empire State Building security kicked them out of the observation deck after they got on their knees and began praying.

Fahad, the male of the pair, claims that a guard “menacingly poked” him before they were escorted out of the building, and he wants $5 million to compensate for the civil rights violation.

The Empire State Building however is firmly denying the Muslim shakedown attempt.

In response, an Empire State Realty Trust spokeswoman, Brandy Bergman, told CNN Wednesday, “The claims are totally without merit and we will respond to them in court.”

Totally without merit can be read as a direct statement that none of this really happened. However even if the Tirmizi’s were escorted out, the Empire State Building was well within its rights to do so.

The Empire State Building remains a major target for Muslim terror. In 1997, Ali Hassan Abu Kamal, a Muslim terrorist, opened fire on the observation deck, killing 1 and wounding 6, motivated by hatred of America.

In his letter, Kamal wrote of his desire to exterminate Americans. “My restless aspiration is to murder as many of them as possible, and I have decided to strike at their own den in New York, and at the very Empire State Building in particular.”

Nys said he had gone to the Empire State Building “to try to relax myself a little bit.” He left a shaken man. “I’ve never seen so much blood in my life,” he said.

So obviously the Empire State Building’s security people are entirely within their rights to be concerned when Muslims begin behaving strangely.

Muslim terror is associated with Muslim prayers so a reaction is only natural.

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    The guard at the ESB was also reminded of nidal hassans murderous attack at Fort Hood.

  • http://cogitarus.wordpress.com/ ★✩★ David ★✩★

    No one should put up with any Muslim dropping and praying in public. No one would let the neighborhood dogs “do it” without hitting them with a water hose (get a room), same treatment of those who want to intimidate Americans with their open display of disrespect by praying in public. Show some respect, if you have any!

  • http://cogitarus.wordpress.com/ ★✩★ David ★✩★

    No one should put up with any Muslim dropping and praying in public. No one would let the neighborhood dogs “do it” without hitting them with a water hose (get a room), same treatment of those who want to intimidate Americans with their open display of disrespect by praying in public. Show some respect, if you have any!

    • Niku

      Great analogy.

      • Guest

        If you want Religious Freedom, you have to give it to all the 5,00+ religions and not just one: http://topekasnews.com/kansas-town-installs-phone-prayer-booths-residents-can-call-god-whenever-need/

        • Niku

          They were not exercising their religion; they were engaged in a willful act of provocation and the testing of our defenses. Don’t be so naive. They are the enemy, after all. How would you like it if a group of them suddenly went religious on your front lawn?

          • Brian Murry

            Is was actually a reply to the earlier pointing out that if you want Religious freedom, that works across the board and not just for one. they are no different in what Christianity brought to American and 100M Native Americans

          • Mitsuhiro Tenryu

            There wasn’t anything near 100 million people in the Americas before Columbus. Howard Zinn and Ward Churchill lie for purely political reasons. Also, you didn’t need to post the same thing multiple times under different names. Is your name actually “Brian Murry”?

          • Brian Murry

            So if the figure was only 50M Native Americans, does this make it more acceptable? It’s still more than WW1 & WW2 combined, and that’s without all the deaths around the world. It’s just typical Christian Hypocrisy to throw stones are others and only see themselves as righteous and good.
            If a Muslim and Christian were to debate the merits of their respective religions, neither could see their own inconsistencies and absurdities, but they would see each others quite clearly. You people only see the insanity in others

          • Ellsworth Toohey

            Cut the crap will you ! Disease was the major killer, neither the settlers, neither the army. Totally impossible.

          • Brian Murry

            Yes, because the Christians gave them blankets that they KNEW were infected with Yellow fever, and they slaughtered their staple diet of Buffalo. It’s funny how no Christian settlers died of disease and starvation isn’t it.
            These killings were over a sustained period of time and across the America’s, Brazil, Mexico, Kansas, Canada, Alaska, etc by Righteous Christians, so tell me, what figure would you like to put on the amount of natives to the Americas that were killed by or because of Christianity?

          • Ethan

            Brian:

            WOW! Those wily Christians sure were advanced, providing infected blankets to natives CENTURIES before the germ theory was proposed! How did they know? Divine revelation? Who’dah thunk Christians would act in knowledge that was still at least a century in the future to decimate the Native population. Them Christians sure were AHEAD of their times, huh?

            Or maybe YOU are terribly MISINFORMED and IGNORANT of the FACTS. I think I heard your Mommy call you to dinner…

          • Brian Murry

            your true colors are coming out now with the insults Mr Taliban Man.

            So you are telling me that Christians never caught yellow fever yet somehow managed to escape without knowing how it was spread but somehow managed to escape it. They never killed the buffalo so the Native Americans would starve, or even just killed them in cold blood?

            I’m not the one in denial of the truth, you are.

            I suppose there were no Witch hunts, inquisitions, heresy and blasphemy killings, Inquisitions Crusades and holey wars either?

            Christianity been one of the biggest killers in the History of mankind. It spread by FORCE and still spreads to this day by force by indoctrination, and if the American Taliban could, it would do it the same way again.

            All you people can do throw rocks at one another and call yourselves righteous.

            “A Cruel god makes for a cruel man” – Thomas Paine

          • Ethan

            The word is spelled “holy” BTW.

          • Brian Murry

            It’s Holey, because the Bible is full of holes, like an ‘all-knowing’ god that puts a needless tree in a garden and say;s ‘Don’t Eat’

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Please question the koran too – for even handedness.

            Ask Salman Rushdie for tips.

          • Brian Murry

            They are both as absurd as the other, and as I said before, neither can see their own inconsistencies and absurdities, but you would see each others quite clearly.
            You people only see the insanity in others, but not in yourseselves

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You people only see the insanity in others, but not in Islamism or atheism which hardly has clean hands.

            See atheist, vegetarian, occultist SOCIALIST hitler.

          • Brian Murry

            Hitler was a Catholic and defended Christianity and the Catholic Church defended Hitler: http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

            As an atheist, I don’t have to be insane about making something real, you the one with the invisible friends that think a book makes real

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Window dressing. national SOCIALISTS denounce Christianity for being based on Jewish texts.

            With role models like national SOCIALIST hitler, who could respect SOCIALISM?

          • Brian Murry

            “..today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator – Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf Vol. Ch 2)
            “We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity. Our movement is Christian” – Adolf Hitler Oct 27, 1928.

            http://www.nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm

            The window dressing hypocrisy is typically from righteous Christian xtians like yourself

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

            Religious views of Adolf Hitler

            ” In adulthood, he became disdainful of Christianity, but in power was prepared to delay clashes with the churches out of political considerations”

            Over to you comrade Murry.

          • Brian Murry

            You really need to study ugly facts as opposed to beautiful lies to fit around your beliefs: http://www.nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm upto 1945 and if you don’t believe me, cross reference them.

            Beautiful lies don’t make things any more real

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Atheism is the opium of Socialists.

          • Brian Murry

            You are reducing your arguing a ‘false cause’ now, and whether Atheism is Socialist or not is neither the Point and personally I don’t care, but socialist or not. You are the hypocrites that won’t go through the eye of a needle and embrace the camel.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Sorry comrade, but its the Socialists, the regressive progressives, who are hypocrites.

            The Left sides with people who behead, stab, shoot, bomb, use poison gas (a WMD), intimidate, demand accommodations for their religious values in the name of mohammed.

            When has the Left denounced Islamist/Koranic ideology???

          • Brian Murry

            Which party is in Government in the US, and who hold majority of the worlds WMD, has continual wars overseas, stealing wealth?

            The GOP is the ones with the ‘kick ass’ mentality who hold Christian values dear as do the KKK, yet you love throwing stones

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Which party has continual wars overseas, stealing wealth and lives?

            The Islamist party – and its towel boys in the regressive progressive socialist fanboi base.

            BTW, your boy KGB Putin has invaded Crimea and is stealing wealth.

          • Brian Murry

            Yea, well who was the ones that went into Afghanistan and Iraq and plundered the wealth there and murdered millions of innocent civilians sending drones in and killing innocents for nothing. And 70-80% of people in Crimea are Russian decent and speak Russian and spoke with their vote and the reason the US is so concerned is because of an oil Pipeline. The US has invaded 100′s of countries and Russia stabilises one and the US shouts Rape. You need search fopr your your remote Control so you can change it from FOX News

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Plundered the wealth there????

            That’s why the US is several TRILLION dollars in debt – from all the “plundered wealth”?

            You’re regressive progressive training isn’t working too well today.

          • Brian Murry

            You clearly don’t understand economics and spending, soi I would suggest you don’t go there and get an education first before you speak.
            We are talking about Goat Herders magic here, and how you Sarah Paline GOP sheep think you have the right to throw stones from a country you stole from Native Americans if the first place under the guise of ‘Good’ Christians spreading the word.
            You talk about being Christians, yet you did far worse and think you got the right to throw stones at others.
            Well this is the religious freedom you wanted, so in order to practice that you have to extend that freedom to all religions and not just your own.
            You can’t even see your own hypocrisy for the Plank in your own eyes

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Where is this “plundered wealth” comrade?
            You blame EVERYONE else but your Islamofascist goat herders and your Imperialist SOCIALIST KGB Putin who is acting all butch, flashing his man boobs and invading other countries.

            You say you have left the US, for good I hope. Which paradise have you relocated to???????

            Crimea? Syria? Mother Russia? Sevastopol?

          • Brian Murry

            I’m blaming all the fools that believe in this Goat Herders Magic that think they have a right to throw stones at each other. You are no better that they are yet you see it in them, but you fail to see it in yourself because you are blinded by your own insanity and only see it others

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            I’m blinded? So says the progressively blind comrade, blind to comrade Putins IMPERIALIST INVASION of Crimea, South Ossetia.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Russia stabilises????

            LOL! Like national SOCIALIST Germany “stabilized” Czechoslovakia, Poland, France, Netherlands….

            It’s a SOCIALIST invasion of another country.

            You don’t need a remote control because you are tuned to RT TV for the latest talking points to defend KGB Putin.

          • Brian Murry

            You have no idea, do you. You couldn’t be further from the truth if you got educated.
            Tell me of your love for your Invisible Sky Baboon and how much you hate Muslims, as I would like to hear it. I also would like to know how as a good Christian you help these poor socialists that have nothing or do you give it to god on a Sunday so he helps the socialists.

            Even your Ken Ham is spending $73M on a boat, because making a point is more important than helping these socialists isn’t it. Tell me, is Ken Ham using Power tools or is he building it by hand himself?

            You people make me laugh

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Sky Baboon? Would you call your Camel Herders object of devotion a Sky Baboon too?

            How’s about it comrade?

            A little balance in your hate? Or is that Counter Revolutionary or too dangerous?

            Ask the Danish cartoonists for advice.

            You regressive progressives make me laugh.

          • Brian Murry

            Hey, you think I don’t argue with Mo’s too..Ha.

            You are both as bad as each other. Trouble is you only see each others insanity but not your own and you think you have the righteousness to throw rocks at each other.

            Your all hypocrites because you have a plank wedged in your eye that’s blinding you

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            OK. Show us where you “Brian Murry” call the Camel Herders object of veneration a “Sky Baboon”.

            Over to you comrade.

          • Brian Murry

            Search for Islamic Dog’on Google Plus

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Are you “Islamic Dog”?

            Why not Brian Murry, comrade?

          • Brian Murry

            Why., As a Christian I see no difference between them an you. You are all filled with the same insanity that you only see in each other

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You’re not doing your cause much good.

            You post here as “Brian Murry” and expect us to believe that someone posting as “Islamic Dog” is also you.

            LOL!

            Keep watching RT TV for more tips on how to make YOURSELF look foolish.

          • Brian Murry

            Don’t believe me then, I joined this site thinking it was an Atheist anti Islam site only to find it was a Taliban Christian Hate site for Islam and I see nothing but Hypocrites that hate people exactly like themselves

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Don’t believe you? Don’t believe that “Brian Murry” and “Islamic Dog” are both you?

            Next you’ll be telling us that you are “Sky Baboon”.
            c

          • Brian Murry

            Nope, I don’t have to argue things real, that’s your job.

            I’m not defending my hypocritical beliefs and throwing stones at other peoples beliefs

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            But you are hypocritical. You have double standards.

            One for Christians.
            Another for Muslims.
            And other for Atheists and Socialists.

          • Brian Murry

            No, I hate all religions,and I hate hypocrites that are no better than the ones they dispise

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            OK. Tell Muslims that you hate their religion.

            Or are you a hypocrite?

          • Brian Murry

            I do

          • Brian Murry

            Were both invisible

          • Brian Murry

            Don’t believe me then.

            Convince me your all-knowing god that put a needless tree in a garden and said ‘don’t eat’ is real

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Ask Muslims to convince you. Let’s see how tolerant they are of your questions.

          • Brian Murry

            They are no less tolerant than the Bible belt. The only thing that stops you there is laws. You are every bit as discriminatory and outcast Atheists and discriminate and if you could would go on a Witch Hunt

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Your very own Camel Herders go on Witch Hunts – TODAY.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IEH0BLuDbI

          • Brian Murry

            Did I say they didn’t. Have I defended them. I’m talking about Christian Hypocrisy and hatred here hating the things that made Christianity. You look at these people as if you are better, but you were and are in many cases the same, YOU people are the the very people you hate, yet you only see each other

          • Brian Murry

            Don’t believe me then. I’m not the one that thinks Harvey the Rabbit is real

          • Brian Murry

            Hey, prove he isn’t a Sky Baboon, or better still, prove he exists?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Go to the closest mosque and ask your question.

            Tell us how tolerant they are of your question.

          • Brian Murry

            They are as tolerant as the Bible belt toward Atheists in the US. I see no difference, you would both do the same

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Who is most likely to chop off your head due to you calling their object of veneration a “Sky Baboon”?

            A Muslim or a Christian?

            Ask Salman Rushdie or a Danish cartoonist for their opinions.

          • Brian Murry

            I see no difference as the only thing that stops the Bible belt is the thought of going to jail. It’s nothing the Christians didn’t do and worse before. They learned from Christianity

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Bible Belt is governed by Laws (Biblical and Civil) – hence you don’t see Bible Belters beheading people who reject their religion.

            On the other hand, your Camel Herders in the Islamofascist Middle East…

            http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

          • Brian Murry

            Yes, I know, it’s only the law that stops the beheadings in the Bible belt. We know how Christians love a Witch Hunt.

          • Brian Murry

            Muslims like beheading, the Bible belt prefers lynching

          • Drakken

            The US didn’t plunder the wealth in asscrackistan or Iraq nor did we kill millions you effing moron, keep up the peace now stupidity.

          • Brian Murry

            The US didn’t rape Iraq. Your Righteous Senate got exposed and embarrassed when it tried to throw stones just like yourself: http://youtu.be/HrdFFCnYtbk

            Your country is build on fundamentalism, greed and corruption and you are nothing but a dumbed down sheep:http://youtu.be/HrdFFCnYtbk

          • Softly Bob

            Oh dear. George Galloway says so, so it must be true. Sigh!!!

          • Brian Murry

            Funny they couldn’t dispute it or have him for perjury isn’t it. Most people who go to court research their facts first, that’s why the win

          • Softly Bob

            George Galloway is a well-known liar. Go to YouTube and type in ‘lies of George Galloway’ and you will see video evidence of him saying one thing on camera and then later denying that he said it. There are many examples.

          • Brian Murry

            I’m not a fan of GG, but sometimes he does speak inconvenient truths, and in this case he clearly did, so much so that they couldn’t dispute it. If they were lies they could have had him. All he did was expose Hypocrisy that people like you only see in others

          • cruzuzias

            “We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity. Our movement is Christian” – Adolf Hitler Oct 27, 1928.”. PLEASE LOOK AT THE DATE OF THIS QUOTE. Germany was largely a Christian nation, and in order to be able to get into power, he Hitler did what Obama did today, put on a Christian façade to hide who he really was, so people would feel comfortable voting for him and after getting into power let the real evil show.

          • Brian Murry

            He was raised Catholic and his quotes were consistent of any typical Christian agenda up to the end: http://www.nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm and whether he was or not, it just shows that it’s worth to get Christians like you that will follow like sheep…baaa

          • Softly Bob

            No, his quotes were not typical of a Christian agenda right to the end. Please stop lying!

          • Brian Murry

            I have no need to lie, you do. As I said before, he would look like a saint in comparison to what Christianity has done to humanity.
            It’s you than needs the invisible elusive man to be real

          • Softly Bob

            You’re still lying. Christianity has brought good to humanity or do you believe that the ten commandments are wrong?
            I’m sorry but you’re going to have to back up your statements with facts. Oh, and don’t blame what the Catholic church did in the Middle Ages on Christianity. Many Christian’s abandoned Catholicism because they knew that the Church had wandered away from Biblical teachings, a fact that the Catholics later admitted and that’s why they had their reformation.
            As I have already said, anybody can pretend to be a Christian, but the handbook is the Bible. I could pretend to be a Communist then behave, act and preach the politics of Capitalism. Would that automatically mean that my definition of Communism would be the correct definition even if it went completely against the teachings of Karl Marx?
            Your arguments are ludicrous.
            Christians are not imprisoning or murdering heretics today because the Bible does not teach that.
            The U.S.A., Britain, Europe and so on were built upon Judaeo-Christian values and none of these countries have laws that enslave anybody, stone anybody to death or carry out cruel and unusual punishments.
            But carry on with your hate if you wish. I can see that you’re full of it.

          • cruzuzias

            Unlike you and all those others on the left, and a rather large segment of the American population, I make a good faith effort to find what is real in the world and what is false. Combine that with being on this earth for 66 years, I find it difficult to be as gullible as people like you when it comes to the issue of Christianity, and those profoundly evil people who performed great evil in the name of Christianity. Hitler was into eugenics, and nature worship, neither of which is very Christian. As to witch-hunts and the supposed massacre of native Americans by “Christians’, any one who believes this has no clue what the Bible is trying to teach people

          • Brian Murry

            The difference is that Hitler didn’t kill to further a religious agenda. Can you say that about all the Christian leaders the wiped out a nation of Native Americans, or held inquisitions, witch hunts, holy wars and a host of other Human rights abuses.. Christianity when it came to Europe was and has been far worse on Humanity than Islam currently is, and you people are like Prisoners sitting on death Row advocating the death penalty for each other for killing. If you were to debate each other you would see the absurdities and horrors of each others religion, but you fail to see your own for the tree trunks in your eye and the delusion.
            You own Religion if FULL of Rape and Slavery (Eg. Deuteronomy, 22:29 and Luke 12:47-48) yet you consider it to be a book of morals. Did your god have a change of heart and decide slavery and rape was wrong? If your book can’t even work out this this is wrong, how can any of it be correct?
            Denying history and facts will not change a thing, just like it won’t make a god any more real, and if there is a god, atheism to him must seem less of an insult than religion.

          • cruzuzias

            REAL WORLD. In the Bible there is a set of rules that God expects us to follow, called the Ten Commandments. One of the rules in the ten commandments, is a rule against adultery, and of course, rape is a clear violation of that rule. As for the matter of slavery, in your selective reading of the Bible you might have missed the part where we are supposed to treat everyone as our brother or sister. REAL WORLD people throughout history might have done bad things in the name of Christianity, that does not mean their actions were Christian in nature. Sometime Google Kudjip Nazarene Hospital, to see the real face of Christianity

          • Brian Murry

            I don’t know who you are trying to deceive or fool, but it’s not me, and you are a typical Hypocrite in either ignorance or denial of the truth;

            Rape
            Deuteronomy 22:28:29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies
            with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the
            father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife,
            because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.”

            Exodus 22:16-17
            “If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride price for virgins.

            Deuteronomy, 22:29 The bible says that if you
            rape a female (of ANY age) you will be forgiven if you pay the father “50 shekels”. Allowing for that having been in biblical days that equates to a modern-day value of about 16 grams of silver…. silver is worth [average] $0.32 per gram, thus the bible allowed a man to rape any female for just over $5

            More Rape

            Deuteronomy 22:23-24
            Deuteronomy 20:10-14
            Numbers 31:7-18
            Judges 21:10-24
            Deuteronomy 21:10-14
            Judges 5:30
            Exodus 21:7-11
            Zechariah 14:1-2

            And

            Slavery;
            Leviticus 25:44-46
            Exodus 21:2-6
            Exodus 21:7-11
            Exodus 21:20-21
            Ephesians 6:5
            1 Timothy 6:1-2
            Luke 12:47-48

            Cherry picking passages from a book of Goat Herders magic and lying about what’s there will not make it any more real

          • cruzuzias

            if you continue to selectively read bits and pieces of the Bible, you will also find that you are not supposed to bury your dead, but eat them REAL WORLD, people have taken selective portions of the Bible to justify alll kinds of evil activities, but reality is those who take the Bible as a whole, and have followed the teachings and precepts have quietly done incredible good in the world. Sometime Google Kudjip Nazarene Hospital as just as a microscopic example of this reality. After Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf States, it was Christian Churches, and Christians from all over this country, who volunteered their time to help rebuild.. Slavery was an ugly reality around the world since the beginning of recorded history, but Christians in England and the U.S. started a fight in the 17th century to put an end to this obscene institution, and are still leading the fight. In most major cities, it is Christian institutions that are on the front line helping the homeless. There have been books written on all the good that Christians have done in the world. I know this is a difficult idea to accept as it clashes with your programming, but it is REAL WORLD

          • Brian Murry

            So what you are saying is you want to Cherry Pick the parts that fit your beliefs and ignore the parts that are inconvenient? You can’t do that, it is either the word of your god or it is not, but you can’t have your cake and eat it because it suits how you choose to see things. If Slavery and rape is so obscene, why is it in your Bible and why did the word of your god advocate it. Your ‘loving’ Jesus could have simply said Slavery is wrong, but he didn’t, he gave instructions how to beat slaves (Luke 12: 47-48)
            Your ‘all-knowing’ god puts a needless tree in a garden and say’s ‘Don’t Eat’… An ‘all-knowing’ god tells Abraham to kill his son in a test knowing his loyalty already… AND what Phyco blames the descendants for the mistakes or their forefathers (original Sin).. That’s like saying the Christians of today are guilty of the Mass genocide of the Native Americans.
            You talk about Hurricane Katrina and disasters that happen in devout places like the Philippines. Either your god can do nothing to stop catastrophes, or he doesn’t care to, or he doesn’t exist. Your god is either impotent, evil, or imaginary. Take your pick, and chose wisely

          • cruzuzias

            and the prayer of this priest of the devil. This is a quote taken from one of Hitler’s “Christian” speeches kind of reveals who the god is he is worshipping

          • Brian Murry

            Wow,,,One priest he didn’t agree with, but thousands he did

          • Softly Bob

            One of your posts is awaiting approval so I cannot reply to it, so I’ll reply to it here and hopefully answer your questions:
            1/ You asked if the OT is still valid or not. The Old Moses laws are no longer valid, they only applied to the Jews anyway. The rest of the OT does have validity, which is why Christians incorporated it into the Bible.
            2/ You mention the use of condoms in Africa. I’m not sure of your train of thought here. I know that Catholicism bans the use of condoms but very few countries in Africa are Roman Catholic. Most of them are either Muslim or Christian of protestant denomination, so I think you’ll have to ask somebody else that question. I do know that many Africans refuse to use condoms because they believe in large families. It’s a sign of virility for a man to have lots of kids. Bob Geldof (who happens to be an anti-Catholic Atheist) explained all this, but as far as I can see AIDS and condom use seems to have little to do with Christianity.
            As for the child abuse claims of the Catholic Church, well we all know that the Pope try to cover these up. Why did he try to cover them up? Because he knows that child abuse is wrong that’s why. The Bible does not endorse it at all. The Pope acted shamefully.
            Muslim clerics on the other hand endorse child abuse because the Q’uran allows it.
            It goes back to what I was saying before – what is important is what scriptures teach, not the actions of corrupt individuals.

            3/ Wars that stem from the history of Christianity. Please name one that actually stems from Christianity. Wars have occurred during the Christian era, sure they have, but if anything Christianity tried to stop wars rather than start them. Christians are allowed to defend themselves if others start wars.
            Wars existed long before Christianity. It’s not as if Christianity started them all.

          • Brian Murry

            So what you are basically saying is that the the bits that YOU choose are valid. You people always do the usual and Cherry pick how you want to see things. It’s always funny how Christians cherry pick all the nice bits, and the passages they choose always seem to fit their thoughts, and their interpretations of this god always fit their thoughts. Does Isaiah 45:7..KJV…”I form the light, and create the darkness: I make the peace, and create evil: I the lord do all these things”… Does that fit or would you rather ignore that? or how about the killing of babies and setting bears upon kids for calling people bald… Is that to inconvenient? You have a belief system that you can’t ignore and cherry pick how you want to see fit, it’s either all correct or nothing.
            And as far as Catholicism, the Catholic church is the biggest church in the world with the most missionaries in the world, and Most of the African countries ARE Catholics because that’s where their missionaries spend most of their time, and that’s why the catholic church is the biggest. You are clearly deluded and misinformed.

            I would like to know some things about this god you claim exists. If god created light on the 4th day, how could 4 days have passed?
            And, if god is all-knowing, please tell me what was the point of putting an unneeded pointless tree in a garden and saying ‘don’t eat’?

          • Softly Bob

            I don’t see what Isaiah 45:7 has got to do with how we are meant to behave. Sorry, but it doesn’t. How am I meant to interpret that? It doesn’t give me a license to kill or anything. It just describes God.
            I don’t know why God created light on the 4th day. Why don’t you ask him? Perhaps he didn’t want to do it on the 3rd or the 5th.

            I’ve already told you that I don’t care if it makes sense to you or not. We were discussing the moral code behind Christianity. What does it tell Christians to do or not to do? That is the issue, not whether you believe it makes sense or not.
            And one more thing, just to get back your 4th day thing.
            If the creation story was really man made don’t you think that the Sun being created on the 4th day would have been spotted straight away? Imagine the guy who was inventing it. I think his friend would have pointed out his mistake. “Listen Moses, perhaps you ought to change that. You put the Sun on the 4th day, perhaps you should rewrite it to be created on the 1st. Nobody is going to believe you otherwise,”
            Even the Ancients weren’t that stupid. Whether they thought the Sun went round the Earth or vice-versa they were smart enough to realize that the rising and setting of the Sun defined day and night. Have you ever thought that the definition of a day might mean something else in the Bible? the Hebrew word is Yom, and the definition of day is just as loose as we use the word ‘day’.

          • Brian Murry

            So basically you follow something you don’t know, but you claim exists, and you don’t understand why, but you claim it exists?

            I’m asking YOU why if he created light in the 4th day, on the 4th day, HOW COULD 4 days have passed if there was no light to define it?

            I am not asking your god, I am asking you?

            And if you want to get into Christian morals, that is fine by me

          • Softly Bob

            Because I’ve already told you that Hebrew word ‘yom’ is not defined by the Sun nor by light.

          • Brian Murry

            I’m not asking you for explanations on words.

            Okay, lets try it this way: God creates light and
            separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn’t make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (1:14-19). And how could there be “the evening and the
            morning” on the first day if there was no sun to mark them? 1:3-5 Are you going to say that light came from another source, or the Bible is wrong.?

          • Softly Bob

            I’ve often wondered about Genesis myself. It’s a confusing, somewhat unscientific book, but it lays down the foundation for what is to come afterwards. Remember that the Bible is a story (roughly chronological) and paints a picture, if you read all of it.
            I was once told that the Bible (Genesis especially) doesn’t explain everything, but tells us just enough of what we need to know.
            As for incest, (which you mentioned in a previous post), there were no rules against incest until long after the Flood. Up until then we have to assume that it was acceptable. If everybody originated from one man and one woman, it would have to be.

          • Brian Murry

            Look, if a book, supposedly from your god, can’t even get the beginning correct, how can any of it be correct. It’s supposed to be a book of morals that can’t even work out that owning someone and raping someone’s daughter is wrong. Any book from a god does not paint pictures. And what about all the Human sacrifice?

            You mention the flood. I have so many questions on that, like How can freshwater fish survive in salt water?
            If Noah was in direct contact with your god, why did he have to send out a dove?
            How did kangaroo’s get from Continent to continent?
            What did the likes of Koalas eat if they can only eat Eucalyptus which is only in certain countries?
            What did Carnivorous eat as there would be no land animals after 40 days?
            How did Birds manage to stay on the wing for 40 days/nights?

            You all-knowing god creates a world and gets angry with it and destroys it because it is bad yet lets it all happen again.

            This is 2014

          • Softly Bob

            I don’t think Genesis gets it wrong. It just misses out information that would explain it all. It’s just a series of snapshots.
            If you believe in evolution then there would probably be fewer species at that time than there are now. I’ve already said that Genesis is an odd book, but the story of the Flood is repeated in Sumerian, Babylonian and Assyrian theology. It wasn’t made up. It has some historical basis.

          • Brian Murry

            If you follow something you should know what you follow otherwise how can you know it’s true?

            Books and don’t make things real, especially something that self certifies itself with circular logic… the bible is the word of god because it says so in the bible is the word of god because it says so in the bible is the word of god because it says so in the bible….. and so it continues.. circular logic and proof of nothing.

            There are 5,000+ religions in this world, and they ALL, bar none, believe theirs is the true religion every bit as much as you do (that’s why they exist) so what makes you think yours is the correct religion, a book? They can’t all be correct, but they can all be wrong. I just believe in one less religion than you do.

            Tell me, why do you believe in god?

          • Softly Bob

            I didn’t until recently. I’m a massive skeptic. I’m a scientist too, so there’s no reason to believe in any rubbish unless I can prove it.
            It started for me by studying Islam – not to convert but to wonder why these lowlifes wanted to keep planting bombs all the time. They always used two arguments. ” Our religion has been hijacked by extremists” or “the verses of the Q’uran have been taken out of context.”
            Fair enough, I thought to myself but let me read this book for myself. I don’t believe in your stupid crap but at least let me read what you are reading and find out how your ignorant minds work and what makes you tick.
            So, I read the Q’uran, and then I learned that you can’t understand the Q’uran unless you read the Hadiths. It went on from there. I discovered that Mohammed stole verses from the Bible and was a vicious lying bandit. Why do that? Just invent a religion of your own if you’re going to, idiot. Don’t steal anybody elses.
            The lies of the Q’uran led me to realize that I needed to discover more about Islam. I did. I examined the history of it. I tried to be fair and make allowances, but there are only so many times that somebody keeps telling you that they are peaceful but still keep blowing themselves and others up. Common Sense really. How many times can you keep crying wolf and get away with it?
            Because I learned that Muslims stole from the Bible but twisted it, I then learned that I had to read the Bible to discover what they had twisted. So I bought a Bible for research purposes only.
            I soon learned that good mirrors evil, but evil will always pretend to be good. Liars don’t get away with lying all the time – nobody would believe them. They tell the truth some of the time, but lie occasionally. That is why the Q’uran appears to be similar to the Bible – but it is a counterfeit.
            To cut a long story short, I eventually found Jesus. It took a few years because I doubted many things. But I now realize that a religion that is still practiced by more than two billion Worldwide is not just a cult thing. There is a reason for it.

          • Oracle9

            Are you trying to spin a confluence between Hitler’s policies and Catholic/Christian beliefs? Your comment about Christians’ beliefs being insane tells us much about the personality behind your comment.

            Hitler may have been baptized, and early on he used the Catholic Church as a political tool but Christianity was definitely his enemy. Read Mein Kampf and then study the history of the deeds of the Nazi Party. There are many resources, here is one:

            http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id2.html

          • Morgagni

            go do some research on the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and the Muslim SS Divisions…of course, you won’t

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            1941 The Grand Mufti meets Hitler
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSUEx1cKUlg

          • kikorikid

            I really like that story…The Muslims march off to Stalingrad
            to conquer it for Heir Hitler. They must have stepped into a hole or something,
            they were never heard from again. the end.
            Great story ,huh!

          • Western Canadian

            You are probably both insane, and criminally ignorant. Christians and Jews are small change when it comes to bloodshed…. Not even into 7 figures… Atheists (like you) , over 100 million in just a century. Muslims, average 20 million a century for 14 very bloody centuries, but the most massive murder committed in the shortest time, is by you and your fellow atheists.
            Hitler hated Christianity, almost as much as you do.

          • Brian Murry

            I suppose the Inquisitions, witch hunts, heresy and blasphemy killings, Crusades and holy wars, mass genocide greater than that of both World Wars combined are a figment of my Imagination.
            You are no better that the Muslims denying the Holocaust and every bit a hypocrite
            Denial won’t change history, it just make a bigger hypocrite and every bit as bad as the very people that fuels your hatred

          • Softly Bob

            You are indeed a foolish man. Are you aware that the first crusade took place 460 years after the first Christian city was overrun by Muslim armies? Jerusalem was conquered by Islam 457 years before this same crusade. In fact, two-thirds of the Christian world had been attacked, conquered or decimated by Islam before Christendom endorsed even one single crusade in retaliation: and this was done not for revenge but to protect Christian Europe from further onslaught! The First Crusade was a plea from the Byzantine Emperor to the Pope to help defend against Saracen onslaughts. Are Christians not allowed to defend themselves?

            As for any atrocities committed by the Catholic Church, one of the reasons for the Protestant movement was to break away from Catholicism was because the teachings of the RCC had strayed from the teachings of the Bible.
            You’re right, denial won’t change history, but revisionists like yourself are desperately trying to – and it won’t work. Your lies will be exposed!

          • Brian Murry

            And you are intellectually dishonest. Just look at your comments, nothing but fighting and killing from good old Christianity regardless of which version it is, and the fact that there are so many versions should tell you something about it

          • Softly Bob

            Just for your information HITLER WAS NOT A CHRISTIAN. He was raised a Catholic but abandoned his beliefs.

            Her are a few quotes to make you see sense:

            “The Mohammedan religion too
            would have been much more compatible to us
            than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness …?”

            Adolf Hitler (from the memoirs of Albert
            Speer, Hitler‘s minister of armaments)

            “The Fuhrer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish
            race… Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed. The Fuhrer is a convinced vegetarian, on principle. His arguments cannot be refuted on any serious basis. They are totally unanswerable.”

            Joesph
            Goebbels, Minister of Propaganda

            There are others I can give you if you want them. Please learn some history before you embarrass yourself further.

          • Brian Murry

            “..today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator – Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf Vol. Ch 2)

            “We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity. Our movement is Christian” – Adolf Hitler Oct 27, 1928.

            His Speeches http://www.nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm

            Christian Hitler: : http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

          • Softly Bob

            Hitler supported Christianity when he was trying to get into power. He had to in order to seduce the German Christian populace. It was all pretense. He admitted that himself later on. Schoolboy stuff really. Sorry, but you ain’t getting away with that one. Look at the dates. 1928 – he wasn’t even in power then.

          • Brian Murry

            You need to look at the dates on the speeches he made up to 1945 in the links I supplied, instead of being intellectually dishonest, and even IF he was an Atheist, the death and tyranny that Christianity has caused on this planet would make Hitler look like a saint in comparison. You ‘loving’ Christians killed more Native Americans than both great wars combined, and that’s just in the America’s. Shall we start on Europe and the other continents?

          • Softly Bob

            So Christians were responsible for 9/11 were they? And were they also responsible for the London 7/7 bombings, the Madrid bombings, the Boston Marathon attacks and the Lee Rigby murder? Do you see the actions of Christian suicide bombers everytime you turn on the Evening news?

            A little hint on analyzing facts for you:

            When you examine the actions of a person and try to tie it to their ideology, you have to see if there is a link. Using your own logic, vegetarians must be mass-murderers because Hitler was a vegetarian. You have to see if there is a connection. Did Hitler murder Jews because he was a vegetarian? No he didn’t.

            Whenever a Christian commits an atrocity, he is going against the teachings of Christ. Whenever Muslims commit atrocities they are doing exactly as
            their scriptures tell them to. They even yell ‘Allahu Ackbar’ when they are doing it. Why would anybody kill themselves or a cause. It doesn’t
            make sense. What do they gain from it, unless their religion tells them that their death will send them straight to paradise and gain 72 virgins?

            You’re arguing logical fallacies my friend.
            I don’t care how many so-called Christians have done terrible things.The real threat today is Islam. Islam was a threat nearly 1400 years ago and it’s still a threat today. Use some Common Sense.

            Pointing the blame at others makes you complicit in Muslim terror. I’m sick of arguing with fools like you. You use just logical fallacies all the time,

          • Brian Murry

            The current insurgency of Crimes is a drop in the ocean compared to the crimes and atrocities of Christianity, and a little Hint for YOU.
            According to your belief system. YOUR All-knowing, all-powerful ever elusive Sky Daddy holds YOU responsible for the Crimes of your ancestors (original Sin) so as a Christian, you are responsible as a Christian.

            Hitler murdered Jews because he blamed them for controlling the wealth and losing WW1 and used them as a scape goat for crashing the German economy.

            You as a follower of Christ are just as guilty as your ancestors in your gods eyes, and you cannot escape the FACT, that Christianity has been the most destructive force that mankind has ever known, yet people like you sit in a country that raped and stolen from indigenous people by ‘good ol Boy’s’ like yourself and DARE to throw rocks at others.

            Remove that plank from your eye before throw stones at others who are no better than YOU

          • Softly Bob

            You didn’t read a single word that I wrote. You are a lost cause.

          • Brian Murry

            possibly, but people like you should look within and get your own house in order before you start throwing stones at the people that are the same as yourselves.
            If your not one of the the US Taliban, you are quickly ostracised and discriminated, and the only thing that stops the ‘good ol Boy’s’ from persecution is laws otherwise the Lynching and shootings would be back.

            You should pick up the paper sometime and see how many people are killed in the US by righteous US Taliban with their beloved guns.

            People like you would rather spend $73M dollars on building a boat for their own ego than helping the poor

          • Softly Bob

            You don’t read the Bible. God does NOT anybody responsible for the crimes of their ancestors. Sorry about that, but nice try though.

          • Brian Murry

            Oh Yea, well what do you call ‘Original Sin’ that you brainwash kids with. Your ‘all-knowing god puts a pointless tree in a garden and say’s ‘Don’t eat’ then blames the descendants for it. It’s 2014 and about time you started thinking

          • Softly Bob

            Jesus’s death and resurrection means that we are absolved of our sins if we repent. I am not responsible for your sins, nor you responsible for mine.

          • Brian Murry

            So what about the 10 commandments, are they obsolete to? And what about slavery, is that obsolete too, as Jesus gave instructions how to beat your slave: The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” Luke 12:47-48

            If your babble can’t even work out that owning a Human being is wrong, how can any of it be correct?

            Unless slavery is morally acceptable?

          • Softly Bob

            Servants are not slaves. They are paid employees. Unless of course you believe that the British Royal Family keep slaves.
            In this example Jesus was not preaching a command for others to follow he was giving a parable explaining how God will punish certain people for their actions, using a tale of servants as an example. Try reading the whole of Luke 12 instead of cherry-picking.
            As for the ten commandments, I never said they were obsolete, nor did Jesus, I merely said that Jesus absolves us of our sins and we are responsible for our own sins.

          • Brian Murry

            And Slave does not mean Servant and vise vera, and do we beat servants?

          • Softly Bob

            Writing the word FACT in capital letters does not make it a fact.

          • Brian Murry

            and denying them and being intellectually dishonest doesn’t change them either

          • Softly Bob

            So Hitler pretended to be a Christian, therefore the whole of Christianity is wrong is it?
            If I pretended to be a Buddhist and then went around murdering babies would that mean that Buddhism is evil?
            Nothing Hitler did can be justified by scripture, so please just go away.

          • Brian Murry

            It’s you people that bring Hitler into the equation because you are the ones that are full of pious righteousness and only see others as bad, and as far as Buddhism is concerned, there is a big difference because their religion is about enlightenment and understanding, not commands and fear based and instructions, and is not a threat to world peace.
            People like you could debate Muslims and see the insanity and absurdity of each others religion, but you as so blinded by the need for it to be real that you can’t see your own

          • Softly Bob

            Now you are changing the subject. If you want to claim that Christianity is false that’s fine. If you want to complain that it just consists of silly superstitious man-made stories, that’s fine.
            But please don’t accuse Christianity of preaching things that it does not.

            And if you actually read what I had said about Buddhism, I was giving a hypothetical example of somebody pretending to be a Buddhist but then going against the teachings of Buddhism, so I’m not quite sure why you included Buddhism in your last comment.
            By the way, Christianity is not a threat to World peace either. Tell me the last time you heard of a Christian terrorist attack (committed by a Christian in the name of Christianity). Remember, it has to have been committed by a Christian in the name of Christianity. It can’t just be some random so-called Christian who committed a terrorist attack in the name of something else. Otherwise, we’re going back to the concept of Hitler’s vegetarianism again.

          • Brian Murry

            Christianity is one of the biggest threats to world peace, because accept it or not, the US is not secular. You Christian zealots sitting in government who would love nothing more than to bring their great Ju-ju back, and these people are sitting making government policy. I’ve seen people getting dragged out of US politic shouting ‘You cannot serve 2 masters: http://youtu.be/7ro8bQ6Rx-Q

            I asked you before, please tell me one good thing that Christianity has brought to this world (and even if you can I give you 100 for each one)

            I await your answer

          • Softly Bob

            Okay.
            Christianity brought the ten commandments. Are they not good? Or do you believe that killing and stealing is wrong?
            Christianity also ended a lot of Pagan rituals that involved human sacrifices and such.
            Christianity brought in rules against incest which were practiced by a number of heathen peoples. Incest as you know leads to inbreeding which gives rise to a number of genetic orders.
            These are just for starters..

          • kikorikid

            So B., Is this blog/post your Jihad?
            You stink of hubris and you invite retaliation.
            Be superior,in your mind, and your nemesis
            will come calling, soon.

          • Brian Murry

            Yea, just like your Invisible Sky Baboon, if there was no nemesis you would have no story

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Tell your Islamist comrades about their Sky Baboon. I’m sure they’ll welcome the theological discussion.

            Visit http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

            to see a picture how your comrades view people like you.

            Warning: The picture is awful.

          • Brian Murry

            Just like the Bible belt in the US, I see little difference as you like to discriminate there too

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Your Camel Herders don’t discriminate.

            They hate everybody.

          • Brian Murry

            So what’s the difference with the Bible Belt… Laws?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Law? Yes.

            Who is beheading people?

            The Bible Belt or

            your Camel Herder Taliban/Wahabbi/Salifists/Shiites?

          • Brian Murry

            Only the laws stopping the Bible Belt, otherwise it would go back to Christian rule and history tells us how righteous that is

          • Brian Murry

            I forgot, you prefer a lynching there….If it weren’t for the laws. I’m sure you would love to lynch a few Muslims?

          • Brian Murry

            I can see the feeling is mutual

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You don’t like apples?

          • Drakken

            If it wasn’t for the Crusades and Inquisition(which killed less than what happened on 9/11 by the way) you would be still stuck in the bloody dark ages you dolt. Your a goddamn muslim apologist and anti-western communist, you are as much as an enemy as the muslims, good to know for future reference.

          • cruzuzias

            No Christian settlers died of disease and starvation????? That fantasy world that all liberals live in must be beautiful filed with rainbows and unicorns, sweetness and light. In the real world, disease and sickness killed large numbers of Christians, along with everyone else. Live expectancy in those days was about thirty years

          • Brian Murry

            No, your the one that believes in Unicorns and talking snakes and Donkeys, men living in fish, women mating with Giants… Numbers 23:22. God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

            Like I said before, are you trying to say that Christians didn’t kill the Native Americans?

            And what about cannibalism of your Christian forefathers?

            Change the word Muslim to Christian and its the same

          • cruzuzias

            Fascinating example of how blind irrational hatred (which you obviously feel toward Christians) can make one irrational, I have no idea what you are talking about, can’t help but wonder if you do.

          • Brian Murry

            You hate Muslims, but you don’t even know the history of Christianity

          • cruzuzias

            probably know more about both religions then you can possibly know,, been studying Christianity for 60 years, Islam about 25, how long have you studied either of these religions? or have you even bothered, just ingested whatever hate filled bile the left feeds you. You ever read any of the writings of Josephus?

          • Brian Murry

            I was weaned on the KJV bible as a kid and use the Qu’ran too, but tell me, why does and ‘all-knowing god’ put an unneeded tree in a garden and say ‘don’t eat?

            (Isaiah 45:7….KJV……” I form the
            light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things)

          • Morgagni

            ask a muslim. cuz if u knew anything of the qur’an, you would know it’s in there too…

          • Brian Murry

            Did I say it wasn’t?
            Your goat herds guide to morals and righteousness can’t even work out that slavery and rape is morally wrong, so how can any of it be correct

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Slavery and Rape?

            Sudan/Mauritania/Saudi Arabia and Sweden and the UK (“Asian” Rape gangs)

          • Brian Murry

            It’s in your Goat Herders Guide to Morals too, because the Christians did far worse that the Muslims are doing.

            You people want Religious Freedom, so that extends to all religions and not just your own

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Today it’s YOUR Camel Herders who are killing people
            ALL OVER THE WORLD.

            As soon as the Malaysian airliner disappeared, it wasn’t too long until Terrorism came to mind. You think that there might be a reason your unmentionable comrades came to mind?

            Is it asking too much to expect that YOUR Camel Herders have as much sensitivity to other religions as they demand for themselves?

          • Brian Murry

            So you automatically thought it was terrorism. You should stay away from Fox News before it fries what’s left of your brain

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Pan Am 103, the sneaker bomber (a convert to the religion of peace, the underwear bomber, plane hijackings, Egyptair 990.

            Nah. No reason to consider terrorism.

            Your RT TV viewing habits are making you dumber.

          • Brian Murry

            Did you get that from Fox News.

            I’m talking about your Hypocrisy of Christian killing and Stealing of Native American lands and demanding religious freedom under your terms and throwing stones.

            You have to practice what you preach and learn from your own History of what Christianity has done to this world

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Oh dear. RT TV didn’t tell you about the bombing of Pan Am 103?

            They aren’t doing you any service keeping you ignorant.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103

            I heard that some RT TV on air personalities have departed. They couldn’t stand the SOCIALIST hypocrisy being broadcast there.

          • Drakken

            You libtards really are bloody dumber than a bag of hammer, all you have given anyone here is, I feel, therefore I am as your policy positions, so get bent you commi dumbazz. As far as the Indians go, tough sh*t and go whine to somebody that gives a rats azz.

          • Brian Murry

            Oh, the one about 10 years ago, my memory slips me.

            Can’t you find any more up to date ones or even look at the Christian militia in Africa or the Witch hunts there or something. Can I recommend another channel than Fox News

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Your memory slips you? You have no excuse for your ignorance. Google is easy to use.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103

          • Brian Murry

            Is that the Scientific thing that you people dislike?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Google is open to all – except in Fascist Iran, Islamist Regime of Pakishtan, China and ignorant regressives like you.

          • cruzuzias

            Sadly, your . pathological blind hatred of God, and Christians in general makes you irrational, and yes impossible to have a rational conversation with. You say that the Bible has no problem with rape, you then give a long list of verses in the Bible that contain the word rape in it as proof, ignoring the rest of the Bible verse that in no way condones rape. Your story of Christians killing Indians reminds me of a story that was real popular among liberals in the 90s that said that slave traders threw over 200 million Africans overboard, that they were bringing to America to be sold as slaves. This story eventually died as people started realizing it was a really dumb story. I hope this silly story will die away too, but unfortunately for most people history is the last reality TV show they watched, or whatever fairytales liberal schools, and the liberal media have programmed them to believe is real world

          • Brian Murry

            Saying an Atheists hates god is like saying the Japanese hate Godzilla. Are you again trying to deny Rape and Slavery in the bible, because you are fooling no-one. And again you are proving your hypocrisy by denying the Mass Genocide of Native Americans is no better than the Muslims denying the holocaust. You really are a hypocrite throwing stones at others without seeing your own hypocrisy. The US even had a civil war over slavery and the bible was used as justification for it.
            You would do yourself a favour if you picked up that remote and tried watching something other than Fox News, because you are living a fairy tale that won’t making any more real by trying to deny the truth.
            This is 2014, and time to realise that text does not make Goat Herders Magic real

          • cruzuzias

            did not say atheists hate God, I am saying it is obvious that you hate God and Christians. No I am not denying the word rape is found in the Bible, I am saying just because the word rape is found in the Bible does not mean it is an activity that is condoned. Mass genocide I of Native Americans by Christians is a bizarre myth that I have no idea where it came from because it is not based on any REALWORLD historical facts. Yes I know it is 2014 but as the years go by, I see more and more the validity Of the Bible, which you might never see because od your blind, pathological hatred of God, and Christians. as for the civil war being fought over slavery, try to overcome your programming, and try to find a history book that tells the real story of the civil war, really fascinating, and no I did not watch it on Fox News..

          • Brian Murry

            Your like contradicting yourself don’t you. I am an Atheist and you say I hate god, and if telling someone to pay money after raping their daughter is not condoning, what is? You really are away with the fairies with your illogic and denial of historical facts, and I can see why you believe in Invisible Sky Baboons.
            If you see more and more Validity of the bible, prove it, define this god that say exists, give me evidence of his existence, prove your words and define this god you claim exists?

          • Tim N

            Complete gibberish. The infected blanket bit was done once by an isolated fort that was trapped and desperate. And plenty of settlers died of all kinds of diseases. On other occasions the settlers tried to help give medical attention to sick Indians. Certainly there were atrocities and massacres- committed by both sides. The picture you present is a cartoonish one-sided view.

          • Brian Murry

            Denying it still won’t change things. You want to see your belief system through rosy tainted glasses but you are no better than the ones your hate. Your god holds you, as an ancestor of Adam, accountable for your forgather eating an apple, which is the equivalent of holding the Christians of today guilty for massacring a Race of Native Americans.

            Anyway, Biological warfare: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_Pitt

            and here’s the letters: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1088/did-whites-ever-give-native-americans-blankets-infected-with-smallpox

            More: http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/amherst/lord_jeff.html

            More: http://www.history.org/foundation/journal/spring04/warfare.cfm

            Keep denying it all you wan’t, but it won’t change History and the truth

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            See the atrocities of national SOCIALIST Germany.

            Keep denying it all you want, but it won’t change History and the Truth

          • Brian Murry

            I agree, because, it was all done by a good Catholic called Hitler: http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

          • Tim N

            Okay. Happy trolling.

          • Drakken

            You certainly are a whinny leftist little bitch aren’t you? If you love the effing 3rd world so much, go live with them, sorry I have no guilt over the past, nor should I. We are talking about current events shortbus, so get with the program.

          • Brian Murry

            Well the past is what your god talks about and your belief system hold you accountable for the sins of your ancestors mistakes. That’s the mentality of your belief system.
            You can try and dis the past and ignore how your belief system uses it, but Christianity is no better than Islam but like a typical self righteous Christian, you are always first to throw stones when it comes to others

          • Drakken

            You are obviously a product of our current re-education system and it shows. Your nothing more than a self loathing, self hating, leftist regressive, and I frankly have run out of any empthy for whinny little bitches like yourself. There is zero moral equivalence between islam and Christians/Jews and your too effing ignorant an stupid t see it. Go live in the3rd world for awhile shortbus and see the world for what it is, and you should be grateful for western civilization for what it has given you, instead of doing everything to make all things equal like a good little socialist.

          • Brian Murry

            No, I’m a product of education and thinking and most likely older than you, and I fully understand the lack of empathy from your standpoint. Would you like to burn me for Blasphemy and thinking, or perhaps you would prefer to pray to the Great invisible sky baboon for me to stop?

            You mean be grateful to Christians to the like you and your ancestors who massacred people and stole a country from ‘kaffa’s’ to get where you are now.

            You love those hypocritical stones don’t you

          • Drakken

            Your a product of leftist statism and are clearly ignorant to believe that all things, people and religions are equal when they clearly are not. What you believe or not is clearly immaterial, I frankly don’t give a damn, but when you lump in western civilization, which Christianity is clearly part of, with islam which isn’t, shows your true ignorance, educated indeed. I frankly don’t give a rats azz if we slaughtered the Indians, we came, we saw and we conquered, so cry some tears to somebody who cares. We stole nothing, but conquered everything and we have nothing to apologize for.

          • Brian Murry

            Yes, we already know what you people thought of the Native Americans and how you thought they were unequal and inferior to Christians, and we’ve all been forced to hear how good the GOP and the KKK are, and how people like you would love to bring the Great Ju-ju back regardless of others, but now you are showing your try Taliban colors and no different from the very ones you hate. You and your kind are the very onesw that you hate, all you got to do is look in the mirror and you will see Islam

          • Drakken

            Keep whining like a good little socialist leftist and Comrade Obummer low information voter, Darwin certainly loves folks like you, and frankly you deserve your fate. Oh by the way communist, God helps those who helps themselves so spare me your self righteous stupidity. One more thing shortbus, the kkk doesn’t exist anymore and hasn’t been a force to econ with in over 50 years, so thanks for playing.

          • Brian Murry

            Funny how you Taliban Christians always resort to ád hominems’

            The good thing about Darwin and evolution and all the things you hate, it doesn’t need ‘faith’to work, and besides, even if Evolution was a worldwide conspiracy by scientists, science didn’t work, and the laws of Physics were wrong, it STILL wouldn’t make your comic book any more real. What proof have you got, text and church funded pseudo-science?

            You really love denying facts don’t you. Does denial make your god any more real?: http://www.kkk.com/

          • Drakken

            Your mental gymnastics are duly noted, sorry but the Christians aren’t going to kill you, the muslims will, in your little socialistic equivalence world there is no difference and your too bloody ignorant to see it. The truth isn’t ad hominine no matter how much you deny reality. Reality is something your going to come face to face with and it won’t be pretty, hence Darwin will get his due.

          • Brian Murry

            I told you before, I’m not defending Islam and I have no delusions about it either, but I’m not the one following a similar belief system that is every bit as bad and pretending to be better because I was born in a different part of the world. You are both as bad as each other and follow a book about a psychopathic homicidal god that advocates Rape and Slavery yet claim to be moral
            Your pretty good at denying stuff like Darwin, but what do you have that proves him wrong, a book of text!

          • Drakken

            I know your a tad slow and what part don’t you get? Christianity/Judaism are diametrically opposite of islam you effing leftard, so you saying that they are the same makes you an ignorant dumbazz. I believe in Darwin where survival of the fittest comes to play, and you son are not on top of the food chain, for you depend on your betters for you to survive, your too much of a puzzy to take care of yourself.

          • Brian Murry

            If you really understood evolution, you would know that as much as Darwin was correct, it’s not survival of the fittest, it’s survival of the ‘most adaptable’
            Christianity and Islam are the same in that they both enjoy misogyny of rape and slavery (read your babble) and produce self righteous xtians that think everyone should be like them and they have a right to shove their views on others and society. Take a look at history and the mirror and you will see for yourself

          • Drakken

            Here let me help you out with all religions are the same garbage, western civilization has given you everything you enjoy today, islam wants to drag you into the 7th century where it crawled out of, sorry your cognitive dissonance isn’t going to play well with reality. Christianity doesn’t condone rape you dumbazz but you believe it in your communist delusions. It would be extremely hilarious if it wasn’t so serious. Go ahead and side with anti-civilization (communism/islam) you and others of your ilk, deserve what is coming.

          • Brian Murry

            So all Religions are the same garbage except the one you believe in, well I just happen to believe in one less that you do, so they can’t all be correct, but they can all be wrong.

            And you say there rape in the babble, please explain Deuteronomy 22:28:29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies
            with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the
            father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife,
            because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.”

            Exodus 22:16-17
            “If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall
            give the bride price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly
            refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride price for
            virgins.

            Deuteronomy, 22:29 The bible says that if you
            rape a female (of ANY age) you will be forgiven if you pay the father “50 shekels”. Allowing for that having been in biblical days that equates to a
            modern-day value of about 16 grams of silver…. silver is worth [average] $0.32 per gram, thus the bible allowed a man to rape any female for just over $5

            and what about;
            Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB
            Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT
            Deuteronomy 20:10-14
            Numbers 31:7-18 NLT
            Judges 21:10-24 NLT
            Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB
            Judges 5:30 NAB
            Exodus 21:7-11 NLT
            Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            If you are filled with shame over the US, pack up and LEAVE. Your tears and whines are signs of your mental and moral breakdown.

            Where will go to? Mexico? Eurabia? Africa? Syria? Egypt?

          • Brian Murry

            Actually, I left the US long ago as I got fed up with the dumbed down morons there. Thanks for proving my point

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            What Progressive Socialist paradise is graced with your presence today?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Yoo Hoo! Brian Murry! Which country have you relocated to – one that meets your many tests of righteousness.

          • Brian Murry

            A country that’s not shoving religion into street corners, schools, politics, peoples homes and has one of the Lowest Human right abuses.
            Freedom of Religion is what it is, and unfortunately comes with a price, but that should also mean freedom FROM religion, but your pious self righteousness prevents that

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Well your problems are over because you left the US.

            Everyone is happy that you left the US.

            Any mosques near your new home where you can tell the imam of your hatred of all religions, and his as well?

          • Brian Murry

            Yip, I’m sure we are mutually happy. Keep the US for the Christians. Fundamentalists on one side, and fundamentalists on the other…. I would be happy to watch if you didn’t have lunatics in charge of buttons

          • kikorikid

            I suggest Rub al Khali! In the middle, yeah.

          • kikorikid

            Hold up there Brian!
            You don’t have expertise in our belief system and it most
            certainly does NOT hold us responsible for wrong doing of any ancesters. This is a Tribal level Verstehen(sp)
            Very much akin to what you might find in Neo-Lithic Papua New Guinea. But you sound real self-righteous
            when you say.

          • Brian Murry

            But your god hold you accountable for your ancestors. is that not the same?
            Okay, lets get into your belief system and educate me.. If your god created light on the fourth day, how could 4 days have passed?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Preset your questions to Muslims.

            I hear that Islam is the fastest growing religion. Maybe they can recruit you too.

          • Brian Murry

            Has the Bible belt stopped recruiting and shoving it into peoples lives?
            Do you understand what hypocrisy means?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            The Koran Belt in the Middle East is doing the shoving, and beheading, hijacking, stabbing, stoning, but you are too ignorant to see.

          • Brian Murry

            Did I say they weren’t? So what’s stopping the Bible doing it, laws? They prefer a lynching there

          • Tom Doe

            None that was THEN, this is NOW, and NOW DAYS, MUSLIMS are killing on a DAILY BASIS!

          • Brian Murry

            Well your Invisible Sky baboon still holds you accountable for YESTERDAY for original Sin.

            Yes, the better way of murdering for the ‘Good ol Boy’s’ is the gun. You should pick up a Newspaper sometimes and use the Remote control and try an alternative News Channel other than Fox News

          • Tom Doe

            I’ve found the most discreditable, libtarded idiots are the ones that bring up Fox news.

          • Brian Murry

            Well then stop watching it you hypocrite

          • Tom Doe

            “You people only see the insanity in others” Wrong, everytime I turn on the news or look online I see ANOTHER pig headed muslim killing something, blowing something up, or hijacking airplanes.
            You’re an idiot.

          • Brian Murry

            Yes, you just prefer to Hijack countries and steal their wealth and call it Righteous. Just ask the Native Americans and all the Oil Rich Countries

          • Tom Doe

            You sure are a busy, stupid troll.

          • Brian Murry

            ‘Stupid’…Ha…, Take a look at your ‘intelectual’ Good ol Boy remarks

          • Niku

            Actually, the first estimate I ever read of the number of Indians in America at the time of Columbus was 1,000,000 (one million). So now I’ve seen estimates from one to one hundred million. One thing is sure, the right number has to be between these two extremes.

          • Brian Murry

            It was sustained over a LONG period of time and over the AmericaS (not just America), and you starved them by killing the food supply and used biological warfare (brackets infected with Yellow fever). Even today you treat them as outcast and still chasing their lands.
            And what about the Crusades and holy Wars, inquisitions, witch hunts in Europe, and other continents. I suppose that was only 100
            You people are EXACTLY like the people you hate

          • kikorikid

            “not just for ONE”
            Not real clear,How much do you hate America?
            But you are about as smart as a bag of hammers if you
            think Islam is ANYTHING other than a Totalitarian-Supremacist Idelogy. “Religion” is but a façade
            covering a Tyranny of mind, body, and soul. You
            are part of the problem.

          • Brian Murry

            I don’t hate America, I hate ignorant fools that think a book of goat herder magic makes something real and gives them the right to use iit to hide behind it to throw stones at others not like them. You are a Bigot.

            Please convince me that your Sky Baboon is real, Tell me why do you believe in god?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            LOL! A fascist Brian Murry calling others bigots.

            Ask your Camel Herders if they think their Sky Baboon is real. Could you ask Fox to video the exchange? I suggest Fox because RT TV is in disarray.

          • Brian Murry

            Yea, which Taliban is that the Good ol boys or the Islamic one, as I can’t see a difference

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            YOUR taliban shoot girls in the head for wanting an education, force men to grow beards, force women to dress in sacks where only their eyes are visible – behind mesh.

            Come on “atheist”. Tell the Taliban about your views of their religion.

          • Brian Murry

            I’m not talking to Muslim Taliban at the moment, I’m telling the US Taliban here

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Surely the Taliban would welcome a discussion of your views on religion.

            The Taliban are known for their tolerance toward all – an ideal match for a proud atheist like yourself.

          • Brian Murry

            Is that the Taliban in the US Bible belt or the Afghan Taliban?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Silly boy.

            The Taliban are in Afghanistan.
            Your Taliban are the ones beheading people, shooting girls in the head for wanting an education, stoning girls to death over “family honor”, throwing acid in the face of girls.

            You slipping mind is slipping again, comrade.

          • Brian Murry

            Reminds me of Educating Christian women: 1 Timothy 2:11-14 – Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

          • kikorikid

            I spit on you! Don’t think for a second that I jump to your demands. FO,and OUT!

          • Brian Murry

            YOU are the very people you hate, That’s for proving my point

          • Brian Murry

            I don’t hate America, I just hate Religion. I’m not part of the problem, I hate all religions, I’m Atheist

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            An atheist, like national SOCIALIST hitler.

            Again, you will have to provide links where you deride Islam as you do Christianity – or your claims will be worthless.

          • Brian Murry

            Yea, just like Socialist Hitler: : http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
            I don’t have to prove anything, I’m not trying to make a sky baboon real, the Burden of Proof is on the claimant, and I don’t care if you believe me or not.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            hitler was a SOCIALIST, a vegetarian, an occultist, a non-smoker, and a great painter. He could paint a house in one day – two coats.

          • Brian Murry

            You seem to know history better than the historians. I bet you know more about science that the scientists. It’s amazing what you can learn from one book isn’t it

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Do you think that Socialist hitler is a fairy tale?

            What kind of books are you reading?

          • Brian Murry

            Actually, I read more than one book: http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
            Some people like scientists will read hundreds of book and still think they have a lot to learn. Others will barely read one book and think they have all the answers already

          • kikorikid

            “Atheism” a belief system on the other end of the same
            spectrum of Belief systems. See, you are one of us, just not much of one.

          • Brian Murry

            Yea, just like non-stamp collecting is a hobby

          • Well Done

            LOL wow you’re too screwy. Ask mom for a sandwich.

          • Guest

            They are no different to what Christianity brought to the 100M Native Americans. I am not defending them, but this is religious freedom

          • Ethan

            Your 100 million Native Americans schtick is pure invention, by the way, though likely not yours.

          • Ethan

            This is not religious freedom. This is religious expansionism. Islam also requires that adherents slay the kuffar “wherever ye may find them”. Hence, must we let muslims in America kill Christians as part of their “religious freedom”? What chapter of Disneyland do you subscribe to?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Islamofascist Imperialism.

            Not coming to a town near you.

            It’s here.

          • Well Done

            Hey, numbnut, there were NEVER 100 million native American. Their own wars kept their numbers way below that. You’re a buffoon.

          • Mike Wilcox

            Any group of those worthless bastards on my lawn will already be dropped.

        • http://cogitarus.wordpress.com/ ★✩★ David ★✩★

          Says who?

          • Brian Murry

            This is your religious freedom, if it’s good for one set of beliefs, it has to be good for all. It’s nothing that Christianity didn’t bring to the shores of American and the 100M Native Americans that died from it. You want Religious freedom, this is it.

          • Ethan

            100 million Native Americans died? What propagandist have you been reading? Historical revisionism is such an UGLY practice, don’t you think?

          • Brian Murry

            I asked you for a figure?
            You defend Christianity like it is good and Islam is bad, so please inform me of the difference?

          • Ethan

            Islam is good? Really? As in, Islam has CONTRIBUTED to the world? In what way? Please elucidate.

          • Brian Murry

            Where have I ever said Islam is good. Where have I ever defended it?
            You should learn to get your own house in order before you start throwing righteous stones and pointing fingers at what was done to the America’s by Christianity

            Like I said, just change the word Islam to Christianity and it’s the same, but as usual you will only see others

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            BM, You slam every religion EXCEPT Islam.

            Why is that????

            I don’t think you’re Muslim, but rather a regressive progressive who sides with every anti-Western, pro-totalitarian cult at odds with the West.

          • Brian Murry

            I don’t side with Islam, and I don’t side with Christianity either, and I am not at odds with the West, but if you are going to throw Rocks, you need to get your own house in order first before you cast stones at people that are every bit as bad as yourselves.

            You think you are righteous because you follow a ancient book of goat herders magic that can’t even work out that owning another human being and raping a woman is morally wrong, and if it can’t work out that that is wrong, how can any of it be correct?

            Unless slavery and rape is morally correct of course?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            “you need to get your own house in order first before you cast stones at people that are every bit as bad as yourselves.”

            Take your own words to heart.

            Tell it to Muslims. See how tolerant they are of your views.

            Slavery and rape are current day Islamist tactics.

            See Sudan, Mauritania (current day slavery) and Sweden (“Asian” rape gangs).

            And your KGB Putin is doing a bang up job of showing the world that Socialists are Imperialists too. See Crimea and Ukraine.

          • Brian Murry

            YOU are the people with the proven track record of Persecution. YOU are the ones that persecute people for Non-belief, witch hunts, killing scientists that conflict with your beliefs because you can’t prove a thing, the history of Human and animal sacrifice, killing anyone that spoke out out (blasphemy) homophobia, misogyny, and using your bible to hide behind bigotry.

            Rape;
            Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB
            Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT
            Deuteronomy 20:10-14
            Numbers 31:7-18 NLT
            Judges 21:10-24 NLT
            Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB
            Judges 5:30 NAB
            Exodus 21:7-11 NLT
            Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB

            And Slavery

            Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT
            Exodus 21:2-6 NLT
            Exodus 21:7-11 NLT
            Exodus 21:20-21 NAB
            Ephesians 6:5 NLT
            1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT
            Luke 12:47-48 NLT

            And Putin is Russian Orthodox CHRISTIAN that passed blasphemy laws to silence people, and not only that the Ukraine was a part of Russia and 70-80% are Russian speaking because they ARE Russian and made that clear with a democratic vote, but as per usual, the US cares more about an oil Pipeline that goes through there.

            If you are in a hole you should stop digging, and you certainly shouldn’t throw stones from a glass house

          • Well Done

            Brian, there is NO way you actually believe the shash you are posting. You are either a moslem or one of those academic atheists who are too off kilter to accept that Stalin and Mao, fellow atheists, killed more people than any religion.

          • Brian Murry

            I don’t care what you think,. I’m not a lying hypocrite pretending to be self righteous so I can throw stones at people the same as myself. I know I’m good without god.

            ‘You shouldn’t wonder at those that are good without god. You should pity those that need a god to be good’

          • Well Done

            Slavery and rape are not the property of Christianity. If you think Europeans killed 100 million native Americans, you’re utterly stunned. Why don’t you twirl, fool?

          • Brian Murry

            You ‘Good ol Boy’s’ broiught Slavery to the US and had a war trying to keep it. You massacred more in the America’s over a sustained period of time than both Great wars combined.

            You ‘Good ol Boy’s from the GOP are nothing but Self Rightous Hypocrites;

            Deuteronomy
            22:28:29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife,because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.”

            Exodus 22:16-17
            “If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride price for virgins.

            Deuteronomy, 22:29 The bible says that if you rape a female (of ANY age) you will be forgiven if you pay the father “50 shekels”. Allowing for that having been in biblical days that equates to a modern-day value of about 16 grams of silver…. silver is worth [average]
            $0.32 per gram, thus the bible allowed a man to rape any female for just over $5

            Rape
            Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB
            Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT
            Deuteronomy 20:10-14
            Numbers 31:7-18 NLT
            Judges 21:10-24 NLT
            Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB
            Judges 5:30 NAB
            Exodus 21:7-11 NLT
            Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB

            And

            Slavery
            Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT
            Exodus 21:2-6 NLT
            Exodus 21:7-11 NLT
            Exodus 21:20-21 NAB
            Ephesians 6:5 NLT
            1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT
            Luke 12:47-48 NLT

          • Well Done

            Whatever was “done to the America’s by Christianity” was not done in the name of Christianity. Clowns like you, who try to equate Islam with other religions by claiming that anything done by a Christian is the fault of his religion, only make the point more obvious. Islam stands alone as the religion of murder.

          • Brian Murry

            And I suppose the Crusades, inquisitions, witch hunts and killings in Europe and around the world wasn’t done in the name of Christianity either. The US was built on fundamentalism which is evident to this day by the GOP, KKK and all the fundamentalists that built it.
            If you was to debate with a Muslim you would see each others insanity, but you can’t see your own for your own pious righteousness.
            Islam likes it’s beheading, the US loves it’s lynchings. You are indifferent

          • Western Canadian

            This pitiable loser is semi-literate, as well as incredibly ignorant…. as his every hate filled rant/post demonstrates. A suggestion that he avoid the atheist hate site that he links to so often would be a good start, but like all hate filled fanatatics, he would be incapable of NOT running back to those who have taught him his hate…. Without his ignorance and his hate, he would die.

          • Brian Murry

            Well, you are on the correct site for Christian hate site and the ‘Good ol Boy’s’. It’s a bit like the Pot Hating the Kettle here. One side uses a sword, the other prefers their guns

    • Guest

      If you want Religious Freedom, you have to give it to all the 5,000+ religions and not just one. http://topekasnews.com/kansas-town-installs-phone-prayer-booths-residents-can-call-god-whenever-need/

    • laura r

      have you noticed that muslims & gays both love public displays? hmm….just saying. later we will see the gay muslims in NY really carry on. mark my words…..

      • Ethan

        An interesting observation…

        • laura r

          new york already has a gay muslim scene. the new york times did an artical about it. (maybe 4 yrs ago). they have their clubs, ect. they even interviewed some of the men. in this case, i respect their secrecy, its a classy operation. we will see what happens later when the younger ones want to ‘express’ themselves.

    • someperspectiveplease

      yeah! repeal the first amendment NOW!

      • http://cogitarus.wordpress.com/ ★✩★ David ★✩★

        The First Amendment applies to the federal government not to you and me. There is no First Amendment on the street, in my business, in the schools, or in my home.

        • someperspectiveplease

          gotcha ;)

  • A Z

    I read the comments at the linked CNN story. Too many people are complete loons. Some said you had an unrestricted right to pray on private property such as a business, because it is in the constitution.

    I have never seen Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus or other people pray while sight seeing at the famous landmarks. Maybe some have. and someone will claim falsely and a few truthfully that they have. If it was a common practice Chevy Chase or some other comedian would have made fun of it.

    The only landmarks where I have seen people make a point of praying are religious landmarks. that is to be expected.

    • JaxCracker

      Other faiths don’t need to resort to so much ceremony and extravagance to talk to God. A Christian can pray by simply closing his eyes or, not even doing that. We’re not supposed to be showy in public with our prayers. Matthew 6:5-7 and Luke 20:47.

      • A Z

        The prayers are a way of showing solidarity with other Muslims, to whip them into a frenzy, to make others uncomfortable, and to show dominance. It is for show. It is a public display. It has nothing to do with inner struggle or coming closer to G-d.

        It is a military-political act and not a spiritual act to commune with G-d or attempt to commune with G-d.

        • Ethan

          G-d has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam. The muslim moongod is called allah.

          • A Z

            They say they worship the G-d of Abraham. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt. Some probably try. Others use it as cover to act as men too often do. IMO these “sight seers” fall in the latter camp.

            That the name of Allah derived from the Moongod Allat is a plausible explanation. Although there are a lot of cognates in various semitic languages for the name of G-d.

          • CaoMoo

            There is no illah (god) but Allah. illah was the word for god, Allah was the name of the meccan moon god a black meteorite in the Kaaba that pagans practiced the hajj or pilgrimage to. Allah (the pagan moon god) had three daughters mohammed acknowledged (as a deal to gain ownership of the Kaaba) before recanting (due to his monotheistic ingrained followers pitching a fit) and saying he confused the words of satan and Allah (not hard really). He first preached in the name of Ah-Rahman a yemeni moon god. Allah has always been a moon god never the God of Abraham. Mohammed introduced all that to try and lay a claim on the Kaaba and its wealth for himself and the meccans thought he was crazy.

      • Niku

        That should be obvious to anyone, but apparently not, so thanks for injecting a bit of commonsense.

    • liz

      Freedom of religion, just like every other right defined in our constitution, was meant by and for reasonable, sane people, not barbaric religious supremacists. Same goes for citizenship. Which is why they shouldn’t even be here to begin with, much less building mosques and demanding special treatment.

  • A Z

    I read the comments at the linked CNN story. Too many people are complete loons. Some said you had an unrestricted right to pray on private property such as a business, because it is in the constitution.

    I have never seen Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus or other people pray while sight seeing at the famous landmarks. Maybe some have. and someone will claim falsely and a few truthfully that they have. If it was a common practice Chevy Chase or some other comedian would have made fun of it.

    The only landmarks where I have seen people make a point of praying are religious landmarks. that is to be expected.

  • GrimReaperLady

    Muslims should be banned from any building previously a target.

  • Richard Frank Roske Jr.

    Islam doesn’t deserve to be known as a religion, it is nothing more than a cult , a group of people who follow the teachings of a pedophile and madman.

  • bsum1

    86th floor, hmmmm should have been put on the express eleavator over the ledge and straight down to street level…

  • cxt

    We live in a world where religiously motivated killers murder 1000′s and 1000′s of people every year.
    They quite deliberately choose the weakest, most defenseless and unaware people for their attacks.
    And they choose the most public places–such as the observation deck of the tower in the article.
    There is nothing irrational about taking reasonable safety measures in such times, dealing with such people.
    “Reasonable search” etc. laws are dependent on the times in question. And in the world of today greater attention to peoples behavior and potential actions is simply prudent, rational and given the circumstances, legal.

    • laura r

      what happends when you cant kill them? you SUE them!!!

  • India312

    kick the ragheads out, they pray to a religion that advocates murder, enslavement, terror, despair and decay…get the F out.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      “adovcates” AND practices.

      The one year anniversary of the Boston Marathon bombings is coming up.

  • logdon

    They’re sacralising the space into Muslim territory and once Islamic always so.

    Muslims tried it on at Milan Cathedral with the same intent.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1106987/Vatican-uneasy-Muslims-praying-outside-cathedral-hate-filled-Gaza-protest-rally.html

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      How long until islamofascists will claim that their prophet once visited the site where the ESB now stands – and demand that it must now accommodate a mosque.

      • logdon

        Obama says that America is a Muslim nation so what you’re saying is quite possible.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          If you are British, you are one of the few decent Brits left – and if so I wish you well – but the future of West Pakistan is bleak.

          • logdon

            There are plenty of us out there but you’re right in a way, many are so apathetic with an it’s all over, what can we do mentality.

            When it really hits the fan which it will do, what then?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            logdon AKBAR!

  • Rick Carroll

    kick them out at the lobby

  • Dennis Bullard

    Kick them right out of the country not just the empire state

  • quousque

    Fabian style islamization of America perhaps?

  • laura r

    they know all about the sue ops. word on the street is seek & you will find & win $. they are prepped in the old country. when they arrive, they know they will be worshipped & they are. another group of ambulance chasers.

  • laura r

    they know all about the sue ops. word on the street is seek & you will find & win $. they are prepped in the old country. when they arrive, they know they will be worshipped & they are. another group of ambulance chasers.

  • http://ironburka.blogspot.com/ Mullah Lodabullah

    The security guard should be congratulated for possibly preventing some ‘workplace violence’ or ‘nothing to do with islam’.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Mullah Lodabullah AKBAR!

  • AlexanderGalt

    All we right-wing loons ask is that Muslims be treated the same as the rest of us.

    After two or three terror atrocities committed by Christians the media would be on its case night and day, but after tens of thousands of deadly attacks the media still hasn’t joined up the dots as regards Islam.

    Witness the recent typical Muslim atrocity in China. None of the articles I read even cited the psycho murderers religion as a factor.

    There’s a great post on this media psychosis called: “The Real Story” at:

    http://john-moloney.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-islamic-mo-couple-of-days-ago.html

    • Well Done

      Atrocities committed by people who happen to be Christians, have nothing to do with their religion. Islamist atrocities, on the other hand, happen about twice a week and often feature the cowardly murderers screaming the name of their god as they shoot children.

  • Tom Doe

    Let’s see what the uncensored, Arabic Version Koran has to say about this:

    “Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191
    “Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123
    “When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5
    “Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran 3:85
    “The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.”… Koran 9:30
    “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Koran 5:33
    “Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19
    “The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Koran 8:65
    “Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Koran 3:28
    “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12
    “Muslims
    must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Koran 8:60Quran 9:5
    “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them
    captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem
    of war.”

    9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s cause; they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

    8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief
    [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the
    whole world).”

    8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty
    among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there
    are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the
    infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

    9:38 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked
    to go forth and fight in Allah’s Cause you cling to the earth? Do you
    prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He
    will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your
    place.”

    47:4 “When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle
    (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower
    them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have
    thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives.
    Thereafter, either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits
    Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by
    Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels
    until they submit to Islam.”
    Islam Religion of Peace:
    No Matter who they are, they take their Koran and its Commands Serious, and this is the problem 123
    verses in the Koran are of fighting and killing for the good and spread of Islam.
    Muslims are faithful to act according to their teachings, this is the problem that the world sees by the
    many acts called Islamic extremist terrorist acts. Those in fact are the Faithful Disciples of the Muslim faith
    acting
    according to the Koran that every Muslim hold dear. There are no
    moderate peaceful Muslims only Muslims only those who use “Taqueia ” or
    lie, which is also suggested within Muslim teachings if it is for the
    promotion of Islam .
    From the Koran:
    - Regarding infidels
    (unbelievers), they are the Muslim’s “inveterate enemies” (Sura 4:101).
    Muslims are to “arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere”
    (Sura 9:5) for them. They are to “seize them and put them to death
    wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them, seek out the
    enemies of Islam relentlessly” (Sura 4:90). “Fight them until Islam
    reigns supreme” (Sura 2:193). “Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips
    of their fingers” (Sura 8:12).
    - If a Muslim does not go to war,
    Allah will kill him (Sura 9:39). He is to be told, “the heat of war is
    fierce, but more fierce is the heat of Hell-fire” (Sura 9:81).
    - A Muslim must “fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him” (Sura 22:78)
    - Muslims must make war on the infidels (unbelievers) who live around them (Sura 9:123).
    - Muslims are to be “ruthless to unbelievers” (Sura 48:29).
    - A Muslim should “enjoy the good things” he has gained by fighting (Sura 8:69).
    - A Muslim can kill any person he wishes if it be a “just cause” (Sura 6:152).
    - Allah loves those who “fight for his cause” (Sura 61:3).
    Anyone
    who fights against Allah or renounces Islam in favor of another
    religion shall be “put to death or crucified or have their hands and
    feet cut off alternative sides” (Sura 5:34).
    - Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him. Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)

    http://www.actforamerica.org
    I’m sorry to ruin your rosy delusions but In the real Quran the answers to these problems are clear
    1
    Sura 18:21 and you will know WHY Muslims insist on building a mosque
    over Ground Zero (they also built mosques, as symbols of victory, over
    Spanish churches in Cordoba and Seville and Segovia, and Agia Sophia in
    Constantinople)
    In the Quran Read (Kill Non-Believers). Sura 9:5,
    9:3, and 9:29 of the Koran effectively commands Muslims to kill the
    non-believers

    2. Democracy and Imposing Sharia Law). Sura 5:48 makes it clear that
    Muslims do not accept the manner by which men choose to rule themselves
    (i.e. a Constitution, laws, Democracy), but that the Muslims must rule
    over us “in accordance with God’s revelations to you” (i.e. to the
    Muslims). This Sura puts them in direct opposition to the Constitutions
    of all Western Countries.
    Here is what their Qur’an says about:

    3. Jews and Christians. Sura 5:51, 5:54, and 5:60 label Jews and Christians as “pigs and monkeys”

    • Niku

      I can’t understand why you only got three votes, including mine, but you’ve done a real service by presenting the facts. However, to be fair, there is another side and I just found it. [Here I was going to post the "one good thing in the Koran: "Whoever kills a human being, it is as if he had killed all mankind. Whoever saves the life of one, it is as if he had saved the life of all."] when I discovered that there are more. I stand corrected, so now I’ll have to say. Judge them by their actions, not by what they say. Incidentally, here is a link to the the page that includes positive things that are allegedly contained in the Koran.
      Drat! now I’m going to have to read the thing to see if these really exist.

      • Hass

        “Whoever kills a human being, it is as if he had killed all mankind. Whoever saves the life of one, it is as if he had saved the life of all”

        That verse (like most), was plagiarized from the Torah.

        • Niku

          Well, I happen to be an atheist, so I’m damned if I’m going to read the Torah AND the Koran to settle this. However, I haven’t yet been able to validate your statement. By the way, I see that the link I tried to provide didn’t get posted. For those who are interested, just ask Google for something like “good things in the Koran”. Incidentally, I never thought highly about that Koran/Torah saying, but it’s the one that Muslims always bring up to prove how great their religion is. My feeling has always been that if that’s the best they could come up with, then their religion really isn’t worth a damn.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Hear of the latest religion?

            “Global Warming”

            Non-believers should be executed?

          • CaoMoo

            Hard to argue a point without the facts. Im not muslim but Ive read their books. Being an atheist shouldnt stop you either unless you are very insecure in your position. When arguing yo must do so from a position of strength with the proper tools or it goes badly.

          • Niku

            Time. With so many worthwhile books that I’ll never have time to read, I find it hard to justify reading something like this. I may, but I rather doubt it. Incidentally, did it escape your attention that I introduced a site that lists many good things mentioned in the Koran? Now, that site might not be reliable (I haven’t had the TIME to check on it, but I did something that should make any Muslim happy. I just have to wonder why they always chose the one they do to show good their faith is. That’s what had led me to believe that there was only one good thing in the Koran. Now I know that there are many others–I think. I’ll accept that until I have the time to check on the site where I found them. I just hope that the verses in at least one English version of the Koran have been indexed, so that it’s easy to find, or not, verses alleged to be there.

          • Daniel Greenfield
          • Niku

            That’s more like it–I think. In other words, if I can use “Talmud, Sanhedrin 37a” to find this quote in the Talmud, that’s the sort of thing I hope exists for the Koran. I don’t know the word for this sort of indexing system (It’s not “concordance”), but there is a word for it. Anyway, It would be helpful if someone would be kind enough to shed some light upon this. Does an index exist for the Koran that would enable one to find phrases there?

        • Daniel Greenfield

          Talmud actually.

          Muslims had access to the Jewish oral law.

          • Hass

            Thank you…

      • Tom Doe

        Now if only I didn’t have a hard drive full of muslims making videos showing the most bloody human dismemberments, bombings, and tortures I’ve ever seen then everything would be rosey.

    • SF Gal

      Thank you!!

  • Ellsworth Toohey

    iSSlam IS NOT A RELIGION ! it is a political system ! As for Christianity, the first to denounce abuses were the monks and the priests. Yes, it has been used by the secular power like in every culture but against Christ’s message !

  • someperspectiveplease

    Islam even punishes women for trying to help their husbands: Koran 25:11 – ‘If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, 12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.’

    edit: sorry whoops i got my sources mixed up, that’s deuteronomy 25, my bad

    • Georgina

      Well where do you think Mo got most of the rubbish in the koran from in the first place?

    • Ethan

      Oh, stop! You silly ignorant moron. That is Old Testament and not to be interpreted literally (never intended for same). Aside from clearly indicating that you are no theologian, what was the point of your comment?

      • someperspectiveplease

        to point out how everybody latches onto the ‘extremism’ written into the koran, but then how quick the ‘it’s a metaphor’ pops out once we’re talking about chrstianity. seriously, it that’s not supposed to be literal, what is the figurative translation?

        better yet, explain the part of deuteronomy that says apostacy must be punished by death (as this is what we claim is so messed up about islam):

        If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers
        have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray,
        saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely,[a] both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God.

        just a metaphor, right? but a similar passage in the koran? totally literal, those guys are messed up, just a weird co-incidence that both books frame apostacy in the same way…

        • Well Done

          It really has squat to do with the Koran or anything else. It has to do with people who claim to be Moslems, and slaughter innocents by the thousands. Your childish posturing and slightly retarded attempts to equate Islam with other religions only makes you look a freak.

          • someperspectiveplease

            hey, all i’m saying is that the punishment for apostacy should be death, according to christianity, judaism and islam :D i don’t know how that is childish…

          • Well Done

            childish is stupid, fascist, and dictatorial. on the other hand, equating islam with christianity and judaism is only stupid.

          • someperspectiveplease

            you think childish is synonymous with fascist and dictatorial? man you need to hit the books, that’s a terrible definition. as for my comparison, i don’t see what the difference is between what’s in the qur’an and in the old testament … do you?

          • CaoMoo

            Actually the puinishment for apostasy advocated by the apostles is removal from the congregation not even eating with such a person. In Islam it is death. But moral sophistry is all you care about rather than actually getting facts straight.

          • someperspectiveplease

            ok, but then please explain to me what is meant in the passages quoted from deuteronomy:

            If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers
            have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying,
            “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then
            you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true
            and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among
            you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town.
            You must destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. 16
            You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the
            public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a
            whole burnt offering to the Lord your God.

            i get that maybe the apostles said something else (can you show me?), but please enlighten me on how this is not considered canonical christianity, if it’s from the old testament?

          • CaoMoo

            The old testament was the jewish law superceded by the new covenant established by christ with his followers. Christ teachings therefore are the model christians are to follow. The old testament provides examples from which to learn both good and bad examples.

            Keep in mind too that the old testament dealt with the jewish nation. The key being nation. It was to be a center for pure worship that bore the name of God Translated as Yahweh/Jehovah and God. he said to them when he made a covenant with them that he put blessing and malediction before them if they kept his commands and trusted things would go well for them and he would protect them. if they abandoned him and profaned his name then things would go badly. The violence in the old testament was always directed to a specific time and place. Usually pursuant to the national interest of the jewish nation. Driving out the canaanites for example who some archeologist wonder why God waited so long to destroy due to the horrific practices they had. The cannanites and false worship were to be eradicated at that time. They weren’t and the people adopted their god’s and suffered. The example to be derived from it for christians is that we need to make sure we follow God’s commands for us. To love what is good hate what is bad. If we do not we cannot expect to maintain his favor as was evidenced in the trials of isreal when they turned their backs on them. It is also shown how correcting course and righting ourselves we can find forgiveness through true repentence if one does mess up.

            Christians are commanded not to fight. When peter tried to prevent christ from being taken to his death with a sword christ rebuked him. He encouraged them to preach this good news in all the nations to win people over with ideas. Finally God will set things straight concerning wickedness with armageddon fought by God on his behalf and the behalf of his people. He doesn’t need any help.

            Contrasted this is to the Koran where calls to violence are eternal Until all religion is for Allah. Where the calls to violence are where ever the unbeliever is to be found. Where Allah needs his followers to fight for him. Where Mohammed condemned peaceful muslims as agitators. There is a difference.

            As far as scripture for the disassociation(This is the simplest english Translation I found. makes it easier than the thee’s and thou’s)

            The case:

            5 Actually sexual immorality is reported among you, and such immorality as is not even found among the nations—of a man living with his father’s wife. 2 And are you proud of it? Should you not rather mourn, so that the man who committed this deed should be taken away from your midst?

            An illustration follows then the plain explanation:

            9 In my letter I wrote you to stop keeping company with sexually immoral people, 10 not meaning entirely with the sexually immoral people of this world or the greedy people or extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, you would actually have to get out of the world. 11 But now I am writing you to stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.12 For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside? Remove the wicked person from among yourselves.”

        • SF Gal

          Hey you! Listen to me. No Christian or Jew, nor any other ideology, believes in practicing the extermination of other cultures and religions because they were instructed to do so by a self-proclaimed “prophet,” who practiced pedophilia, rape, murder and slavery – which are still practiced in the Middle East today. The only religion/culture that does so is ISLAM. So you can defend it all you wish but you will not win. No go and drink some camel urine because per you bullsheat “holy book” you should do so. Don’t believe me? Try reading it, you enslaver.

          • someperspectiveplease

            but this quote, from the core texts of christianity and judaism, says to kill those who change from believing in the lord to a different god. how can you reconcile that quote with what you just said? don’t tell me to do research when i’m the only person quoting anything!

    • Well Done

      Yes, you bad. And full of shiite. Juvenile douche.

      • someperspectiveplease

        i think you’re just butthurt because you read the start and thought ‘those crazy moslems!!!!!’, and then realised at the end it was christianity, so now you’re mudslinging.

        • Well Done

          I disagree, you don’t think at all. Your attempt to psycho analyze a total stranger proves that. Your laughable attempts to equate islam with other religions betrays your stupid.

          • someperspectiveplease

            i can analyse whomever i like, thank you very much. and i’ll take a moment to analyse your last sentence, and the fact that it is totally, abhorrently ungrammatical. i tend not to really give too much weight to the opinions of people who can’t even write a grammatical sentence :)

  • WalterBannon

    Membership in Islam should be banned as a criminal terrorist organization. All muslims should be given thirty days to exit the US or face criminal prosecution.

  • mackykam

    Should not have escorted them off the observation deck. Should have picked them up and tossed them over the side. And have them fall like the many jumpers from the World Trade Center.