Iraqi Officials Say US Aid Drops to Dying Yazidis Exploding Uselessly on Impact

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This comes from a UK journalist embedded with the Iraqi military. I wouldn’t treat it as final. Some other reports really raise questions about the 70% number and even the quotes in his own account don’t lead me to believe that such a huge number have died.

But it’s safe to say that quite a few are dead.

Mount Sinjar stinks of death. The few Yazidis who have managed to escape its clutches can tell you why. “Dogs were eating the bodies of the dead,” said Haji Khedev Haydev, 65, who ran through the lines of Islamic State jihadists surrounding it.

On Sunday night, I became the first western journalist to reach the mountains where tens of thousands of Yazidis, a previously obscure Middle Eastern sect, have been taking refuge from the Islamic State forces that seized their largest town, Sinjar.

I was on board an Iraqi Army helicopter, and watched as hundreds of refugees ran towards it to receive one of the few deliveries of aid to make it to the mountain. The helicopter dropped water and food from its open gun bays to them as they waited below. General Ahmed Ithwany, who led the mission, told me: “It is death valley. Up to 70 per cent of them are dead.”

Two American aid flights have also made it to the mountain, where they have dropped off more than 36,000 meals and 7,000 gallons of drinking water to help the refugees, and last night two RAF C-130 transport planes were also on the way.

However, Iraqi officials said that much of the US aid had been “useless” because it was dropped from 15,000ft without parachutes and exploded on impact.

That is certainly worth following up on. It’s hard to believe that the US military would be so incompetent. Unless it was following orders.

The various refugee stories suggest that we are looking at hundreds of bodies. Possibly more. Meanwhile independently of that we have reports of ISIS massacring some 500 Yazidis, including burying some of them alive.

Islamic State militants have killed at least 500 members of Iraq’s Yazidi ethnic minority during their offensive in the north, Iraq’s human rights minister told Reuters on Sunday.

Mohammed Shia al-Sudani said the Sunni militants had also buried alive some of their victims, including women and children. Some 300 women were kidnapped as slaves, he added.

“Some of the victims, including women and children were buried alive in scattered mass graves in and around Sinjar,” Sudani said.

Obviously the Iraqi government has every reason to emphasize the plight of the Yazidi. It has less reason to actually help them.

The Yazidi, like the Christians, find themselves being used as counters in a Muslim civil war.

  • TL2014

    Why would there be orders to make the food droppings useless? Who would give that order?

    • DogmaelJones1

      Guess. Not a hard guess. If Obama ordered that U.S. transports stay out of harm’s way or shooting range of ISIS, then they’ll fly at 15,000 feet and drop their aid packages. After all, Obama is only reacting to all the news media reports of the plight of the Yazidis, not because he gives a fig. If he gave even half a fig, he’d order our planes to wipe out ISIS wherever they are and end any possibility of our sending in ground troops.

      • Raymond_in_DC

        From what I’d read long ago, US jets during the ’99 conflict in Kosovo dropped bombs on Serbia from 20,000 feet – minimizing the chance of US casualties, but killing far more civilians than Israel in the most recent action in Gaza.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      I don’t know. There are 3 possibilities

      1. The Iraqis are lying

      2. The Air Force is completely incompetent

      3. They’re following orders

      1 is entirely possible, but 2 is highly unlikely. So it’s either 1 or 3.

      • TL2014

        Ok, but who is following whose orders? Sorry, I’m a bit obtuse today..

        • Daniel Greenfield

          from the White House

          • Americana

            Oh, yeah, the White House is going to authorize aid drops without parachutes. American forces would come home from such missions and would talk to reporters and say, “We were told to drop the aid pallets without parachutes. What dumbazz officers would order that knowing we’d be dropping food bombs and water balloons?” and, consequently, such foolishness would be all over the news DIRECT FROM THE AIR FORCE FOLKS. It’s not all over the news… except from a secret Iraqi source.

          • Pete

            DG did say the story was sketchy. Now The Telegraph also reported this story. Do you have a problem with The Telegraph also or just this site, because it is your assignment?

            “It’s hard to believe that the US military would be so incompetent” – DG

          • Americana

            I’m not finding that story on the Telegraph site. Please post the link and don’t simply boldface the name of the newspaper as if it’s a **LIVE LINK** when it isn’t. As for why I would object to Greenfield’s presentation of the story’s elements, if there is basically no proof whatsoever of its veracity, to make suggestions of White House complicity in ISIS’ actions against the Yazidi refuge is highly questionable.

            You’re asking me why I question Greenfield’s story? There’s something highly questionable about reading the two elements to this news story in two SEPARATE STORIES on FPM. By not pairing the two stories in one article, it disassociates the two events which cannot be separated if one is trying to write a complete narrative of events. Greenfield knows there has been U.S. BOMBING of ISIS forces surrounding the Yazidi mountaintop refuge so it makes NO SENSE for Greenfield to speculate that Pres. Obama has requested that relief supplies dropped to the Yazidis on that mountaintop refuge be sabotaged by NOT USING PARACHUTES. If you don’t get just how LUDICROUS those two story lines are when they appear on the same web site but they aren’t evaluated simultaneously in ONE STORY, then I’m sorry, but all your supposed interest in journalism just doesn’t make any sense.

          • Pete

            Earth to Americana …

            The Telegraph story was linked in the essay above. But since you are mentally challenged, I have provided it gratis to you.

            “Iraq crisis: ‘It is death valley. Up to 70 per cent of them are dead’”

            “However, Iraqi officials said that much of the US aid had been “useless” because it was dropped from 15,000ft without parachutes and exploded on impact.”

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11024037/Iraq-crisis-It-is-death-valley.-Up-to-70-per-cent-of-them-are-dead.html

          • Americana

            No need to practice your snark, simply include LINKS when you make statements. The British journalist didn’t establish the truth of that “Iraqi official’s” claim about the waste of American water and food supplies because of the aid pallets exploding on impact. The fact the British journalist included an Iraqi official’s statement isn’t proof of anything. As for analyzing the Iraqi official’s statement, there are many publicity and political reasons why the Iraqis would try to blame the relief failure on the U.S. Do I need to explain those reasons to you?

            Considering the description of the journalist’s circumstances, it sounds like he flew in on a single supply flight and immediately flew out again without even getting off the helicopter. Sounds like he didn’t bother to confirm anything. He didn’t visit the caves he wrote about w/all the dead Yazidis, he didn’t visit any sites where American aid had been dropped… etc. He knows exactly nothing. For sure.

          • Pete

            “The British journalist didn’t establish the truth of that “Iraqi official’s” claim about the waste of American water and food supplies because of the aid pallets exploding on impact. The fact the British journalist included an Iraqi official’s statement isn’t proof of anything.”

            The British journalist thought it was important enough to publish.

            The blogger DF thought it was important enough to publish. The blogger DG thought that it was sketchy and said so form the beginning but said he would keep on eye on the story as it developed.

            The poster Americana thought the story which DG said was sketchy was a good opportunity to jump up and down and say “See See!”.

            “It’s hard to believe that the US military would be so incompetent” – DG

          • Americana

            Earth to Pete, Earth to Pete…. Bloggers aren’t necessarily accredited journalists who’ve got anything really riding on their misstatements of fact, i.e., they don’t necessarily lose their jobs if their errors are egregious enough. The fact is, the American aid drops could have failed for lots of reasons, **IF** they did fail. I’m not disputing they could have failed. But to presume, as Daniel Greenfield did, that someone ordered the pallets to be dropped without parachutes from 15,000 feet is absurd. Greenfield could have waited a day or two for more confirmation — one way or the other — that the American aid drops failed as described in that story. Instead, Greenfield decided to add a one sentence suggestion of inappropriate behavior — by the White House, no less — under the original story of the (possible) failed aid drop. Not cool.
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            Daniel Greenfield TL2014 • a day ago

            I don’t know. There are 3 possibilities

            1. The Iraqis are lying

            2. The Air Force is completely incompetent

            3. They’re following orders

            1 is entirely possible, but 2 is highly unlikely. So it’s either 1 or 3.

            And to add to the drama, there’s this exchange:

            TL2014 • Ok, but who is following whose orders? Sorry, I’m a bit obtuse today..

            Daniel Greenfield >>>>> TL2014 • 21 hours ago

            …from the White House

          • Pete

            The Whitehouse ordered the IRS to go after people.

            When the IRS goes after people it can break them financially or throw them in jail.

            I would sincerely doubt that the White House would order an air drop without parachutes (so did DG), but a White House that did Ben Ghazi, Fast and Furious and the IRS scandal needs to be investigated.

          • Pete

            I like the way DG links it. They do it the same way at PJ Media.

            Are you going to bi@tch and scream at PJ Media too?

            There was a nice Israeli blogger at FPM, who always posted to stories. She would link to her blog and her essays. She substantiated everything. There was a link every sentence, which was not embedded and it was harder the heck to read her essays.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            The link is the red text in the article.

            I assume you’re familiar with how those work.

      • PatnTrucks

        The Iraqis are lying? Let’s see….hmmm.. Iraqi = muslims = big lies for the Big Satan.
        I am an AF veteran – the Air Force does not drop supplies without parachutes! Period! So we can believe an Iraqi muslim or we can trust that the United States Air Force is doing their aide mission properly.

      • hiernonymous

        Interesting logic. We actually have evidence of USAF incompetence or malfeasance in the recent past – note the scandal concerning certification tests for nuclear weapons crews – yet you decide that is “unlikely.” We have only your imagination to credit for the possibility that the supplies were being destroyed on delivery by order of the White House, yet that is not similarly “unlikely.”

        This sort of selective credulity is a hallmark of the conspiracy theorist and practitioner of innuendo.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          There are credible and non-credible levels of incompetence within a professional organization.

          • hiernonymous

            One would think so. When a self-described journalist passes off a report from an article in a language he doesn’t speak with no further fact-checking, for example, and it turns out that the article was from a satirical publication, that would be a non-credible level of incompetence. In this case, however, it’s hard to see that an unsubstantiated error with a supply drop would be a less ‘credible’ level of incompetence than widespread circumvention of the protocols intended to prevent global thermonuclear war.

            What have you done since publishing this to ascertain the facts?

    • PatnTrucks

      I am an AF veteran from the “Nam years. The US Air Force would NEVER drop supplies to people without parachutes. This news story has an “Iraqi” source = muslim = liar.
      The destruction of the supplies due to Air Force “not using parachutes” did not happen and the people would get these supplies.
      The USAF is competent, professional and do their job properly – there cannot be orders to drop supplies improperly. THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN! And you’d see the pilots and AF support staff howling with telling the truth. Or we can believe and Iraqi muslim.
      Take your choice.
      It’s called ‘disinformation.”
      = Lies

  • I want my country back

    Where is the Iraqi military?

    • StukaPilot

      back in Baghdad, pulling a coup d’etat. Ts’about all it’s good for anyway

    • PatnTrucks

      Hiding under their grandmother’s bed. We Taxpayers in the Great Satan bought them new clothes, dressed them, gave them weapons and training…..and….they threw them down and ran away after the so-called ISIS showed them mutilated corpses. I think I’d fight with all the firepower available to save my own life and the lives of my military friends rather than surrender and face the “generosity” of one’s ISIS captors….
      But then muslims are so much better at beating helpless women for not wearing their nijabs properly, stoning rape victims for adultery, FGM, following the koran suri 4:34 on wife beating….so much easier to beat women and stand around screaming Allah akbar than really doing anything useful.

  • Pete

    “It’s hard to believe that the US military would be so incompetent. Unless it was following orders.”

    I find it hard to believe. If they are dropping without parachutes you could waste 90% to 100% of the water plus kill people down below.

    Sooner or later people will come forward if it is true. There is no point in a humanitarian aid drop without parachutes, unless you are just going through the motions. I have hard time believing it is true.

    • Pete

      I wanna say that the black bags on top of the palletized boxes of water(?) are parachutes, but I do not know. So I doubt the story. I think it is Iraqi hyperbole. Consider the source.

      See the picture at the link with the caption Water bundles align a C-17 “Globemaster III cargo plane at Al Udeid Air Base, Qatar, prior to a humanitarian air drop over Iraq

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2721043/U-S-drones-fighters-carry-four-new-air-strikes-protect-stranded-Yazidis-attacks-Islamic-State-jihadists.html

      • Daniel Greenfield

        I’m not confident of the source. I would like to see it verified or disproved.

        • Pete

          You wrote the story correctly.

          “It’s hard to believe that the US military would be so incompetent. ” – DG

          • truebearing

            It’s not hard to believe Obama would be ruthless enough, given his loyalty to Muslins, to give orders to drop the aid without parachutes.

          • PatnTrucks

            I am an Air Force veteran. The US AIr Force would NEVER drop supplies for people without parachutes. This “Iraqi” source is lying to the journalist. SURPRISE! A muslim LIE? We are shocked.

          • hiernonymous

            Well, the ‘unless they were following orders’ was a bit of gratuitous conspiracy-speak, but it was otherwise prudently caveated.

          • Pete

            Is that your basis problem (gratuitous conspiracy-speak) with this site?

            It seems to me you have a problem with the stories that are selected also.

            I would never have expected Fast and Furious or a lost email epidemic.

            Everyone suspected the story is wrong, but those same people also wanted the story to be followed up. Many people do not have a lot of confidence with Obama or his staff.

            http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

            BTW I hope classes are going well.

          • hiernonymous

            I would say that my basic problem would be the implicit and occasionally explicit dehumanization of those considered political enemies. It’s simultaneously silly and scary.

            I had a conversation with objectivefactsmatter, as I recall, in which I completely agreed that the IRS email situation is a scandal. Note that, in that case, we actually have evidence of wrongdoing.

            A problem with FPM’s over-the-top approach is that it is so absurd that it actually distracts attention from genuine issues. If someone said “the AG’s approach to combating gun proliferation seems to have been poorly thought out,” or even “I think it violated the law,” that would be a good basis for discussion. Something along the lines of “the AG is a traitor who wants to bring down the Republic” just makes you shake your head. Similarly, “Israel has legitimate interests that need to be considered” is a reasonable position. “There are no such people as Palestinians” is simply rabid fanaticism.

            And thanks. Classes start Friday, so far it’s been preparatory work.

    • Pete

      The parachutes on the pallets shown in this you tube video are smaller than the ones shown in the Daily Mail picture. My guess is the difference is because of the height for the drop. You need a bigger parachute for the thinner air up high.

      Pallet Air Drop over Afghanistan

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHknIgz1Rxk

      • Pete

        Remember that a lot of man portable surface to air missiles were looted out of Libya.

        9K38 Igla

        Flight ceiling 3.5 km (11,000 ft)

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K38_Igla

      • hiernonymous

        Or they may have been dropped via LAPES.

        • Pete

          They did that at Khe Sanh. I though about that. I could see it leading to some breakage and that the breakage would be exaggerated by the person The Telegraph quoted.

          But how do heard the people out of the way?

          • hiernonymous

            I don’t know that they used it; it would take some prior coordination to get the people away, as you rightly note, and a suitable clearing. The claim of ‘no parachutes’ brought it to mind.

        • Pete

          Low Altitude Parachute Extraction System

    • PatnTrucks

      Of course the US AIR FORCE uses parachutes! I was in the Air Force and the supply drop would be done properly. This “Iraqi” source is just spreading garbage, what do we expect? Truth from a muslim? hahahaha!!

  • Michael Knox

    I think it is a lie from Iraq military. They want us back on the ground they told us to get out .They will not fight they ran away. I see no reason for us to send are young men and women to go over there and end up kill or injured

    • Daniel Greenfield

      you may be right

      • truebearing

        The little that Obama did allow in terms of bombing ISIS led to the Kurds re-taking some territory and allowing some refugees to escape. If we had an opposition party i America, like the Republicans pretend to be, we could put some pressure on Obama to arm the Kurds and do some serious bombing of ISIS.

        Maybe a week of B-52 bombardment would give ISIS something to think about. Then bring back the A-10 to give the Kurds close air support.

    • truebearing

      They also don’t want us helping the Kurds. Most likely Obama doesn’t want to help the Kurds either, not so much because of what Iraq wants but because it is likely Erdogan doesn’t want him to.

  • Gee

    Where is the UNHRC?

    We can be sure that Navanethem Pillay will say nothing.

    The only time the world cares is when they can blame the JOOOOOSSSS!!!!

  • crisco

    As an old USAF Tactical Air navigator, with over 1,000 hours in C-130s dropping every kind of materiel over much of the world, I’ll confirm we do not drop aid pallets, equipment or anything else without sufficient parachutes so a majority of it will reach the ground in useable condition.

    • Texas Patriot

      Thanks, Crisco. I have do doubt that the airdrops in this instance were conducted with the usual high professionalism of the USAF.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Yes I wouldn’t have thought so

  • Demo P. Seal; PouponMarks

    There’s a reason for this. The organizers and dupervisors of this fiasco did not attend union mandated (seniority only) classes in “Specialized Parachute Drops Onto Middle East Elevations), taught by an outside contracted group for $2.3 million over a 3 day period. Thusly, regular gummint employees used shrink wrap borrowed from the Pentagon Mail Room.

  • Lanna

    The whole situation is so alarming. Isis is out of control, and we have to get aid to these people, as well as stop Isis, then use the parachutes so the food and water get there safely. One of the helicopters crashed with too much weight on it from people desperate to get away from Isis and out of this misery zone. I have never seen such an inefficient administration in all of world history, when theres slaughter, starvation, and a humanitarian crisis going…