“Islam is My Identity. The Burqa is My Shield. Paradise is My Destination.”

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century.


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These stories are all interchangeable. Like every serial killer media post-mortem, they begin with, “But he/she was just so normal.” And yes they were. In the sense that Islam is seen as normative without understanding what it actually is and what it is and what it means.

To the people who knew her from those days, she would have seemed the unlikeliest terrorist – they would never have thought of her as a religious martyr.

But in the months and weeks leading up to her death last week in a bullet-ridden house in war-torn Syria alongside her husband Yusuf Ali, her Facebook posts reveal a young woman heading for a dangerous future – and fully prepared for what she would meet.

“Everything is temporary,” she wrote. And: “Islam is my identity. The burqa is my shield. Jannah (the Islamic garden of paradise) is my destination.”

The husband she called her “lion”, and the “man of my dreams” wrote in one of his last posts: “Preparing for the grave”.

This sounds crazy to ordinary Australians, but it’s just Islam. It’s not some “crazy form” of Islam. Not every mosque will tell people that they have to prepare to die now. But it’s there in the cultural DNA. And it doesn’t make to prepare to bring it out.

Islam is a militant religion. It doesn’t become radicalized. The term “radicalization” implies that there is a moderate baseline. Rather normative Islam is temporarily moderated by some mosques, but the moderation tends to last only as long as there isn’t a serious conflict.

And today in a heavily interconnected world, there is always a conflict to recruit the second generation of immigrants into.

Like trying to build a “nice” Communism or Nazism, a moderate Islam only lasts until the point of conflict occurs.

Despite her education at one of the country’s top Anglican schools, St Hilda’s in Brisbane, Karroum was always a Muslim – but it was not until a couple of years ago that she started to wear a burqa. On her Facebook page, she described her work as a “Slave of Allah” and her posts became increasingly extreme, condemning America, the war on terror and even democracy.

“Today I witnessed hijabi girls promoting democracy with their T-shirts and their stupid voting papers. Kuffars! May Allah guide these strangers!” she posted on federal election day last September.

After wild Muslim riots in Sydney’s Hyde Park in 2012 she called for more violence, urging Facebook followers to: “F… the police! Smash the cop cars.”

On the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks, she posted: “Worst effing night. I’m proud of being a Muslim!!!!! 10 years of war in Afghanistan for two towers.”

She talked of going to a shooting range and, on Facebook, regularly checked in at a Sydney address she called “Bin Laden’s Cave”.

At which point, it would have been reasonable to arrest and deport the entire family. The entire family? Isn’t that going too far? Despite reports that her family is upset, we have this…

On Facebook, Karroum’s sister Rose, who also embraced Islam and calls herself the “Mujahidah Lioness”, asked for prayers for the couple, who she said had been “martyred”. She described her sister as a “soldier” who had been parted from her husband by “something bigger than them”.

The odds are good that we aren’t done with this family.

  • http://ironburka.blogspot.com/ Mullah Lodabullah

    She may find that allah lied about her destination.

    • Cathy1000

      Well she will, because allah is not Christ.

      • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

        True, and Easa said Thy will be done, i.e. Allaah will be done, hence Muslim says Insha-Allaah.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          Saying Insha-Mohammed would be more honest.

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            Yep, but it will not become the truth, as Mohamed peace be upon him was a Human and history is evident Human will are weaker in comparison to Allaah (The Creator). For us Mohamed is the Best, Last and Final Prophet and Messenger to send to us towards Tawhid (Monotheism), however, he has departed us as a Human after he delivered the message of Worship 1 GOD. But he is not our creator to say Insha-Mohamed. I hope you understand the difference between Human and God.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Human will is indeed weak compare to G-d, which is why Islam has failed before and will fail again in its attempt to conquer and dominate by physical force.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            1.5 billion intolerant Muslims versus 6 billion Infidels.

            Who will prevail?

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            Islam and Muslim, and you will be part of it, and you not then your future generation, this is the promise of Allaah and for those who worship 1 god, the infidels that you are mentioning as not to be blamed for this. They are humans and they have been educated by their parents to worship Human, Demi-God, Idol, Cross, Statues, Popes, Saints,etc. Don’t scare them with the boogey man MUSIMS. They are much better than you and have much better things to tell them.

          • Drakken

            Your islam is in for a very nasty surprise as we infidels say not only no to your islam, but f**k NO!

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            “attempt to conquer and dominate by physical force”, sounds like more of the concept of communist and capitalist nations. Nowhere in Quraan or hadith it talks about controlling other human as physical force.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            You never made it all the way to As-Saff? And let’s not forget the spoils of war afterward.

            O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand.

            It is not fit for a prophet that he should take captives unless he has fought and triumphed in the land;

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            Sure Daniel, do try reading the tafsir and the wisdom behind the engagement of war…http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1379&Itemid=63#1 , one specific quote for the reaaders….

            Imam Abu Dawud recorded that Ibn `Abbas said that the Messenger of Allah fixed four hundred (Dirhams) in ransom from the people of Jahiliyyah in the aftermath of Badr. The majority of the scholars say that the matter of prisoners of war is up to the Imam. If he decides, he can have them killed, such as in the case of Bani Qurayzah. If he decides, he can accept a ransom for them, as in the case of the prisoners of Badr, or exchange them for Muslim prisoners. The Messenger exchanged a woman and her daughter who were captured by Salamah bin Al-Akwa`, for exchange of some Muslims who were captured by the idolators, or if he decides he can take the prisoner as a captives.

            Unlike this today we see wertern world do all sort of atrocities to the prisoner which is worst them killing them, they have perverts in the army who relish on Muslim Women, who perfomr sex with Muslim men blind folded, who torture them with their dogs, Us women soldiers have been raving on Muslim men in jails, worst they are put behind bars with no lawyers to suport them, jailed in another land so that US justice cannot do anything about them, recruit and conduct nazi style torture, etc. the verse you quoted is much superior than what the UN could not do in their Geneva Conventions..thanks for bringing it to the audience.

          • Glenn Partridge

            What is painfully obvious is Mohammad invented Allah to fool some and to force most into giving Mohammad what he wanted which wouldn’t be so bad if Mohammed wasn’t the psychopath that he was. It is truly amazing that to this day children are being raped, women are being stoned to death, whipped or hung for things like adultery. Heads are being cut off for blasphemy or apostasy. Madrassas are teaching children that all they need to know is the qu’ran that western education is bad and to hate. As a result all Islamic countries are backward and violent. The more Islamic they are the more they are like this and reliant on the west to feed them. This is all because Muslims believe Mohammad the perfect example of man to emulate, to be like.

            The better a Muslim becomes, that is the more a Muslim follows the qu’ran and the sunnah of Mohammed the worse he becomes as a human being.

            What is strange is that with all the overwhelming evidence that what I say is true, the Muslim is incapable of any self criticism or insight. He insists in blaming everyone else for their sorry state, especially the Jews who if they could only annihilate, well then all would be OK but every time they try it does go very well for them.

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            Glenn, i beg to differ, Mohamed (peace be upon him) is not an educated/scientific man to Invent a concept of 1 GOD (NOT 3 Gods), if he was a copy cat then he should have said 3 gods, if he was jeoulous person to some humand god then he could have said i am the God too, if he was power hungry person then he could have became king of entire Middle-East, if he was a psychopath as you claimed, then he could have already annihlated entire jews and christains from Middle-East, Europe, Asia, why then even today the entire Muslim will be ready to do it, and why now in future too they will be ready to do it, but a reality check is that NO not all Muslim are fighting with Crusaders and Not All Muslim are fighting each other. However, before that Islam teaches us to first convey about 1 GOD, and why we should worship him. You seems to be the best Jahil (ignorant) person in this entire forum, which needs more education on Islam, please visit this site it has collection of article to educate jahils like you and please do also share other jahil whom you see fit…http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/sp_nm.cfm

          • Glenn Partridge

            No sorry Abdur but I beg to differ, it is more correct to say Mohammad was illiterate rather than to say he was not educated or scientific. Mohammad was an evil genius very intelligent and conniving; he married a rich old woman and worked for her in trade, not so dumb. He familiarized himself with the Jewish and Christian tradititions and what he thought was coherent and useful he kept and what he thought was flawed he used to accuse the Christians of corrupting Jesus’ message,
            putting himself forward as the latest and final messenger of God correcting and perfecting religion for mankind. How am I going so far?
            The covering of women comes from the Christians and Muslims love to say the early Christians and Jesus were Muslims. Stoning for adultery was from the Torah. Jihad, death for apostasy, robbery and the splitting up of loot and slaves, protection money (jizyah) levied from non-Muslims (dimmni) are some of Mohammad’s additions that made up his new religion.
            The one God not three God concept was an inconsistency in Christianity that Mohammad used to argue Christianity was corrupted. God had a son who was God sent down to man who killed Gods’ son
            who was God to redeem man was too incoherent for Mohammad to pass up and provides Muslims their most powerful dawah tool to this day.
            For Mohammad it was much safer for him to be Allah’s messenger than a God, As a prophet he does not have to perform miracles that a God should be able to do and any mistake he might make could be put down to him being merely a man, the best of men maybe the most perfect of men but just a man all the sameand can make mistakes. An evil genius.
            From what you say Abdur I believe you are not just a dawah practicing Muslim but a taquiya practicing Muslim. You know very well that Mohammad’s teaching has cleansed the Arabian Peninsula of all religions other than Islam. The Islamic crusades began in 630 (for a full
            timeline of Islamic expansion by sword go to http://answeringislam.org/Authors/Arlandson/crusades_timeline.htm
            Why Muslims have failed to conquer the world or exterminate the Jews is because they are a backward
            people, the beggars of the world and no match for the advanced West or Israel but the jury’s still out on this, their intent is still there and the West’s pc correct multicultural policies are giving Islam an opportunity it would otherwise not have, but people like me are waking up.
            The Jahils are waking up.
            Ever since Al Gazalli in the eleventh century Islam has rejected science for doctrine and imploded, no more Golden age.
            It WAS your Muslim brothers that did 9/11 just as they have done the thousands of jihadi terrorists since, not an inside job, or the Jews or any excuse for it that you
            taquiya practicing Muslim can present. I’m just giving you reality therapy. Islam is a death cult; ‘loving death like we Westerners’ love life’ (I got that
            quote from one of your muslim brothers), just look at Syria now, what Islam reduces people to, bands of bloodthirsty thugs roaming around killing, no
            slaughtering, anyone they come across. That’s Islam around the world where they have invaded, look at Central (CAR) and North Africa, Burma and Southern
            Thailand, Egypt and Iraq; anywhere Muslims are we see the worst of human behaviour. Even the peaceful Buddhists are picking up arms to protect themselves that’s how bad Muslims are.
            Face the truth and admit there is aproblem with Islam.

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            Now you have starting talking like a real desperate person, who started writing gibberish English, the first line of your comment itself is laughable, you say “it is more correct to say Mohammad was illiterate rather than to say he was not educated or scientific”, and guess what we know that he was called as Ummi..which means “illiterate”. Secondly, why is that you cannot distinguish between a religion actual teaching to what is happening current world, the rest of the nonsense that you are trying to project is an output of what you sow is what you reap, this is both for the warring Muslim or non-Muslims. However, exception is for the Muslim who struggle for their right, land, family, honor and dignity. This struggle is not going to end if you convert to Muslim or I abandon Islam.

            Let me go to the actual preposition of Islam and see if your claim that Mohamed ‘peace be upon’ him copied from the tradition of any CORRUPT religion, I repeat CORRUPTED religion by human interference, the simple preposition is “To WORSHIP 1 GOD, and not to associate partner with him” a.k.a. Tawheed and this is briefed in Chapter 112, ALLAAH ask Mohamed peace be upon him to say, “SAY O Mohamed “He is Allâh, (the) ONE. [Allâh – the Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, (He neither eats nor drinks)]. He begets not, nor was He begotten. And there is none coequal or comparable to Him.” this chapter consist of 4 lines…and this 4 line is the touchstone (Acid Test) of GOD. Any thing that does not qualify this 4 criterion then it seize to exist as GOD, you can apply Adam, Noah (Noohu), Abraham (Ibrahim), Moses (Musa) & Jesus (Easa) OR even Mohamed ‘peace be upon them all’, and see if they qualify the test? NO, they will not, If NOT then don’t worship them? This is a very simple definition that a single man can define wit such conviction, Jesus (Easa) did this in his original message, but they added trinity and introduced corruption, Muslim are the only one who uphold this and they are the only one who will Insha’Allah.

            Now can a person whom you claim to copy tradition from different religion can just say 1 GOD and ignore the other religion who produce a Spaghetti of 3 or 3 million gods, and he did not waver from it and did not introduce corruption by claiming that there are or could be more god. You need to learn and understand Islam Tawheed to know about it. For other topic of peace loving Buddhist and others in C.A.R we can discuss in length and see who is correct and who is not.
            We Muslim don’t take side of corrupt Muslim and pacify others to show how good our religion is, this is not required as we don’t change Allaah law in each century as we wish or desire, the law is final and complete and there is no alteration of amendment in it, e.g. Capital punishment for the one who rapes and is proven then this capital punishment will be the same in the year 2014 or 20000000014. I leave this article comment with the last sermon before his death which we hear at each Firday sermon across the globe…here it is….read, understand and follow Islam for your own benefit…I leave this article section now as I see there is no point in debating with half and no knowledge people on Islam…here is the sermon….

            After praising, and thanking God, the Prophet, may God send His praises upon him said:
            “O People, lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore, listen to what I am saying to you very carefully and take these words to those who could not be present here today.
            O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that He will indeed reckon your deeds. God has forbidden you to take usury (interest), therefore all interest obligation shall henceforth be waived. Your capital, however, is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity. God has Judged that there shall be no interest, and that all the interest due to Abbas ibn Abd’al Muttalib shall henceforth be waived…
            Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.
            O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under a trust from God and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste.
            O People, listen to me in earnest, worship God, perform your five daily prayers, fast during the month of Ramadan, and offer Zakat. Perform Hajj if you have the means.
            All mankind is from Adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; white has no superiority over black, nor does a black have any superiority over white; [none have superiority over another] except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.
            Remember, one day you will appear before God and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.
            O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me, and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O people, and understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Quran and my example, the Sunnah, and if you follow these you will never go astray.
            All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and it may be that the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness, O God, that I have conveyed your message to your people.”
            Thus the beloved Prophet completed his Final Sermon, and upon it, near the summit of Arafat, the revelation came down:
            “…This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My Grace upon you, and have chosen Islam for you as your religion…” (Quran 5:3)

        • Zachary Lucido

          What problem could anyone have with that statement?

          • Drakken

            Shhhh little Zachery, the adults are speaking, time to run along and get a cookie from mommy, maybe your teacher will give you a trophy for showing up.

          • Zachary Lucido

            So it’s just that you don’t like him ’cause Allah?

          • defcon 4

            Does your query make more sense in Urdu or Arabic?

      • PleaseKillMe

        Allah is no Christ, and Christ isn’t real, so the human race lucked out in both of those scenarios.

      • Milad Antowan

        allah is satan read his book the quran and you will find out…. the christ is god ..allah and his prophet muhhamed are devils

    • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

      What if you are wrong, and Allaah is true?

      • Daniel Greenfield

        What if Allaah is just a poor pagan plagirism of God by a desert bandit?

        • Softly Bob

          Interesting! Could be…. Why is it that so many fools have never thought of that?

        • wreed22

          Bingo Mr Greenfield.

      • danapointdad

        who the fuck cares, religion is an excuse for assholes to murder people…

        • JJ

          Then explain what motivated Mao and Pol Pot?

          • vera

            simple – they were just mentally unstable, but no 1 picked up on it, u 4got stalin 2.

      • Vernon Nielsen

        what is true is what you believe to be true even if its not real truth. when you stop believing things to be true you can finally experience truth.

      • aikichick

        Archaeology proves that allah originated from a pagan moon god. Moon gods typically ascend from darkness aka demons. Another name for allah back in the day is ba’al. Research that particular name.

        • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

          Interesting..prove it

      • Susana Gonzalez

        IT cannot be. The Living GOD I know from the Holy BIBLE Never changes HIS HOLY WORD. Yet My God is always faithfull to His people. My God the GOD of ISRAEL, HIS Holy LAND, would never have changed this holy CITY for a pagan shrine in a desert where human sacrifices and sexual orgies were practiced according to the quran. Even to think that meca can be a holy place is a Blasphemy!

        • Jools Ferguson

          Susana, you are right. The God the Jews and Christians worship in the ONE TRUE GOD. Allah is NOT that god, but the moon god of ancient pagans.

  • Veracious_one

    On her Facebook page, she described her work as a “Slave of Allah” and her posts became increasingly extreme,….
    that’s what you become when you follow Allah’s instructions as outlined in the Qur’an…She must have really loved the parts of the Qur’an that dictate just how women are to be treated,,,,in Islam the more pious you become the more violent you become…it must be the Qur’an…

    • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

      To became a slave of Allaah is not a transition, its a default role of all Mankind, we are all slave of the creator who created the entire cosmos. If you want to see this earth from the farthest planet on the edge of the cosmos, a single human from earth will be nothing, but that does not mean there are no humans in the cosmos. Coming to the sister who died (i am sure not as a terrorist) then she went to fight for the cause of 130000 killed innocent people in Syria for the last 3 years, which the western powers are today sitting and gambling on the future of this country, where as if their 3 thousand odd people die by there own hands then they are quick to act and kill people in Iraq, Afghanistan, this is called as injustice, and it becomes a human right to fight against such injustice. AND QURAAN teaches the same.

      • defcon 4

        It’s muslimes killing muslimes in Syria dumb dirtbag, oh and anyone Christian when they can find them.

      • Drakken

        Say haji? Why aren’t you over in Syria to help your Islamic brothers find the devils paradise, I’ll sit back with a nice cocktail and watch the sh*tshow as you savages slaughter each other to your little jihadist black hearts content, good riddance! Less we are going to have to deal with in the west.

        • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

          Sure, enjoy your cocktail.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Enjoy your camel urine cocktail.

          • Drakken

            Booze proves to us infidels that God(not allah) loves us and wants us to be happy. Any so called god that forbids booze is not god.

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            are you still booxing :-)

          • Drakken

            A Saudi hypocrite like you should know better.

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            Thanks, hence i am arguing with you with wisdom, with knowing that you have no knowledge, so you have 2 choice either learn from this Saudi hypocrite or teach this Saudi hypocrite. Choice is yours.

          • Drakken

            The only way you teach a Saudi anything is with a lead injection and with extreme prejudice.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        There’s that sadistic name again – mohammed.

        I see you were cursed with the name of the prophet of Satan called Mohammed.

        You are doomed from the start.

      • Veracious_one

        where as if their 3 thousand odd people die by there own hands …
        if you are talking about 9-11, you are wrong 9-11 was an Islamic terrorist attack. The last words heard on the radio were “Allahu Akbar”

      • Daniel Greenfield

        Does adding extra A’s accomplish anything?

        • Drakken

          It’s an Islamic thing, us infidels just don’t understand.

      • Veracious_one

        I. Taqiyya and Tu-Quoque
        NPR’s All Things Considered. January 7, 2005 • “Jihad” is one of the few Arabic words used in English. It means “spiritual struggle,” but many Muslims have pointed out that “jihad” is almost always used in English in the context of terrorism, even though the actual meaning is broader. Commentator Anisa Mehdi would like to propose a word that could be used instead of “jihad.” — From the NPR Website

        Anisa Mehdi, a guest on NPR’s All Things Considered, has suggested that for the word “Jihad” – possibly the word of greatest significance in the texts, and history, of Islam – another word could be used. For Muslims, she insisted, were made uneasy by the continued use of this word “in the context of terrorism” when its “actual meaning is broader.” And so, to prevent unnecessary harm to Islam’s image, she asks if it might not be possible to avoid the word “Jihad” altogether.

        She has a point. And we will sharpen her point, with a pencil-sharpener of our own choosing. But first it would be useful to describe the current state of Infidel knowledge about Islam, and of Muslim attempts to shape or limit that knowledge. An army of apologists for Islam, both Muslim and non-Muslim, is abroad in the land today, yet many Infidels seem not to be following the script. Some appear determined to educate themselves, rather than rely on the Outreach Programs of local imams in local mosques or, for that matter, on National Public Radio. Not everyone seems quite as willing, as they once were, to be satisfied by the pabulum of Karen Armstrong or the coffee-table books of John Esposito. Infidels have discovered websites where four or even five Quran’ic translations are laid out for comparative reading, a horizontal pentapla that may be accessed at http://www.usc.edu. At the same site, or at many others, Infidels can now read for themselves hundreds of the Hadith (the sayings and acts of Muhammad), as collected and catalogued according to its relative authenticity by such trusted Hadith-compilers, or muhaddithin, as Bukhari and Muslim (a proper name). In addition to reading Qur’an and Hadith, Infidels can read the sira, or life of Muhammad. As al-insan al-kamil, the Model of Perfect Man, the figure of Muhammad is at the center of Islam, and everything he is reported to have done or said, or even remained silent about, in 7th century Arabia, remains as vivid, compelling, and emulous today.

        And finally, not content with reading Qur’an and Hadith and sira, those Infidels have embarked on learning about the history of Jihad-conquest of those vast lands where, far more numerous, settled, wealthy, and advanced populations, of Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, and Buddhists all lived and, upon conquest, when not killed or forcibly converted at once to Islam, were permitted to live as “dhimmis,” as non-Muslims under Muslim rule were called, subject to carefully elaborated financial, legal, political, and social disabilities that made life for them one of humiliation, degradation, and physical insecurity.

        It has been quite an effort to prevent Infidels from getting the wrong (that is to say, the right) impression of Islam, at least until such time as Muslims in the West currently singing the praises of “pluralism” no longer have need for Infidel good will and tolerance. To date, the twin techniques of “Taqiyya” and Tu-Quoque have been relied on. “Taqiyya” is the religiously-sanctioned doctrine, with its origins in Shi’a Islam but now practiced by non-Shi’a as well, of deliberate dissimulation about religious matters that may be undertaken to protect Islam, and the Believers. A related term, of broader application, is “kitman,” which is defined as “mental reservation.” An example of “Taqiyya” would be the insistence of a Muslim apologist that “of course” there is freedom of conscience in Islam, and then quoting that Qur’anic verse — “There shall be no compulsion in religion.” But the impression given will be false, for there has been no mention of the Muslim doctrine of abrogation, or naskh, whereby such an early verse as that about “no compulsion in religion” has been cancelled out by later, far more intolerant and malevolent verses. In any case, history shows that within Islam there is, and always has been, “compulsion in religion” for Muslims, and for non-Muslims. The “compulsion” for Muslims comes from the treatment of apostasy as an act punishable by death. And though “dhimmis” are allowed to practice their religion, they do so under conditions of such burdens and restrictions that many, not as an act of conscience but rather as a response to inexorable Muslim pressure, have converted (or “reverted”) to Islam.

        “Kitman” is close to “taqiyya,” but rather than outright dissimulation, it consists in telling only a part of the truth, with “mental reservation” justifying the omission of the rest. One example may suffice. When a Muslim maintains that “jihad” really means “a spiritual struggle,” and fails to add that this definition is a recent one in Islam (little more than a century old), he misleads by holding back, and is practicing “kitman.” When he adduces, in support of this doubtful proposition, the hadith in which Muhammad, returning home from one of his many battles, is reported to have said (as known from a chain of transmitters, or isnad), that he had returned from “the Lesser Jihad to the Greater Jihad” and does not add what he also knows to be true, that this is a “weak” hadith, regarded by the most-respected muhaddithin as of doubtful authenticity, he is further practicing “kitman.”

        The use of the word in Qur’an and Hadith, and constantly through 1350 years of Muslim history, has certainly endowed the word “Jihad” with a meaning of struggle, usually through military means, to expand the domain of Islam. Almost all Muslims understand that “warfare” (qital, qatala) is the essential meaning of the word. But Infidels, who prefer to think otherwise, have eagerly snapped up little guides such as that put out a few years ago by Karen Armstrong, a compleat apologist and no scholar of Islam, who made sure to quote that hadith in support of her proposition that Jihad is a “spiritual struggle.” The meaning of words comes from their common and accepted usage, not from what someone wishes to convince us should, for the purpose of a temporarily comforting harmony, be believed to be the meaning.

        Jihad as military conquest is of course discussed in the Qur’an and Hadith, and in the commentaries on the Qur’an. And while “qital” or combat is mentioned 27 times in the Qur’an, other instruments of Jihad are also commonly discussed; any Islamic website will provide examples. One is the use of “wealth” to create the conditions that will help to spread Islam. Another is the use of “pen, speech” – persuasion, propaganda — to spread Islam. Still another instrument of Jihad discussed, for example, in the pages of Muslim newspapers, is the use of demography as a weapon of Jihad. Muslim populations within the Bilad al-kufr, or Lands of the Infidels, are seen as helping to spread through Da’wa, the Call to Islam, and in their own increasing presence within Infidel lands, as contributing to the inexorable spread of Islam.

        The situation in the world today borders on the fantastic. Never before in history has one civilization allowed large numbers of those who come from an alien, and immutably hostile situation, to settle deep within that first civilization’s borders. Never before have the members of one civilization failed to investigate, and even willfully refused to investigate, or to listen to those who warn about, the consequences for all non-Muslims of the belief-system of Islam. In history, the phenomenon of the Barbarians at the Gates is hardly new. Those barbarians lay siege; if they win, they enter in triumph. Should they lose, the advanced civilization survives. But never before have the gates been opened, to an entering force that has not even been identified or understood. Never before have the inhabitants of the by-now vulnerable city made efforts not to recognize, or realize, what they have done, and what they have undone. That demographic intrusion shows no signs of diminishing. The systematic building of mosques and madrasas, paid for by Saudi Arabia, everywhere in the Western world, helps to make the conduct of Muslim life easier. Western populations have been trained to make much of “celebrating diversity” and “promoting difference” and constructing, on a base of militant but unexamined pluralism, an edifice of legal rights and entitlements. These rights, these entitlements, this militant pluralism are exploited by Muslims who do not believe in pluralism. Nor do they accept the individual rights of conscience and free speech, the legal equality of men and women, and of religious and racial minorities, recognized, for example, in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Their current claim to support pluralism is based on the need to protect, and increase the power of, the Muslim umma, or Community, within the West, until such time as that umma no longer needs to pretend to have any interest in Western pluralism and Western values.

        “Taqiyya” and “kitman” are no longer needed for Muslims addressing purely Muslim audiences. While in the early days, the Shi’a were afraid of Sunni persecution, and therefore needed to practice taqiyya, today both Sunni and Shi’a, by and large, do not find that they need dissimulate about the nature of Islam for other Muslims. It is only when non-Muslims may overhear, and begin to understand, an intra-Muslim discussion, that the need to dissimulate is emphasized. Yassir Arafat could, with impunity, refer to the Treaty of al-Hudaibiyya in speeches to fellow Muslims. He was fortunate; no Westerners, or even Israelis, seemed to think that the significance of that repeated allusion to Muhammad’s treaty with the Meccans in 628 A.D. needed to be examined.

        Among those who see no need to practice taqiyya when rousing fellow Muslims, but instead see the need to remind their listeners of the central tenets and teachings of Islam, are Osama Bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi. The canonical texts support their view of the need for, the duty for, Jihad. And they receive a good deal of support, and admiration, all over the Muslim world. For they are not renegades, not unorthodox, not the promoters of a wild misinterpretation of Islam. Their view of Islam is exactly what Muhammad, Ibn Taymiyya, Al-Ghazali, Ibn Khaldun, and all the greatest Qur’anic commentators, muhaddithin, and theologians in the history of Islam, would have understood and shared. Some Muslims believe that at the moment, Islam is too weak, and therefore, for the sake of Islam itself, the truth of its teachings should not be so clearly expressed, and acted upon. It may be that Bin Laden and Al-Zawahiri themselves will reach the same conclusion. That would not constitute an abandonment of Jihad, but rather a prudent relinquishing of terrorism as a weapon of Jihad, and greater emphasis on other, tactically more effective, weapons of Jihad, such as Da’wa and demographic increase. The idea that “Jihad” is primarily a “spiritual struggle” would cause laughter everywhere in the world’s mosques and madrasas, for Muslims know that this definition is flatly contradicted by their texts and their entire history. Yet, the same imam who gives a fiery speech about Jihad can show up at an Interfaith Rally and, with seemingly complete conviction, assure his Infidel audience that, of course, “Jihad” refers only to “a spiritual struggle.” This kind of thing is second nature.

        Infidels need to understand that however wary they may pride themselves on being, they are still not prepared for the world of the Muslim East. After many decades of work in Egypt, Lord Edward Cecil affixed, as the epigraph to his once-famous Memoirs of an Egyptian Official, the following: “Here lies one who tried to hustle the East.” Many Englishmen regarded that epigraph as the perfect summary of their own encounters with the Muslim world. “War is deceit,” Muhammad said, and those who regard him as al-insan al-kamil, the Most Perfect of Men, have become past masters at the art of deceit. It is nearly impossible to find a Muslim who will admit to the full truth of what Islam teaches about Infidels, though occasionally it happens. Ex-Muslims are just as well-versed in the teachings of Islam as those who remain Muslims, for they do not suddenly cease to understand Islam when they leave the faith.. They remain the best sources of knowledge about what it means to grow up as a Muslim, in a Muslim society, surrounded by the attitudes toward Infidels that Islam engenders and promotes.

        Sometimes Taqiyya is not enough. Muslim spokesmen often attempt to convince an audience of Infidels that Islam is a religion of “peace” and “tolerance.” This, nowadays, works less well than it used to, and if an audience shows signs of not being completely convinced, another tack – that of Tu-Quoque – is attempted. Now these same spokesmen, who a minute before were all sweetness-and-light, begin to attack Christianity and Judaism for their own lack of “peace” and “tolerance.” They support this attack with bloodcurdling passages from Leviticus or some obscure text, possibly attributed to a rabbi from 2500 years ago.

        The Crusades are presented by Muslim apologists as a defining moment in Muslim-Christian relations, a moment in which the peaceful and inoffensive Muslims were attacked, without cause. In this version, not a word is uttered about the centuries of Muslim Jihad-conquest that preceded the Crusades – nearly 400 years of seizing lands formerly occupied by Christians in Mesopotamia, Syria, Egypt, North Africa (where, among other Fathers of the Church, Tertullian and St. Augustine were born and lived).

        Nor is what prompted the Crusades ever mentioned. For in 1009 A.D. the Fatimid Caliph Hakim had ordered the destruction of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, and for almost a century the Muslims steadily made encroachments on the Christian presence in, and access to, what was for Western Christendom the Holy Land. And there were, for a thousand years, until the 19th century, a constant series of Muslim raiding-parties that came by sea, and attacked the coastal villages throughout Europe, as far as Ireland and even, in one instance, Iceland. Villages were razed, and many villagers killed, and a million European Christians were kidnapped (see the recent White Gold, by Giles Milton), brought back to dar al-Islam, enslaved, and often forcibly converted. The Crusades have to be understood in their full context.

        In Islam the world is uncompromisingly divided between dar al-Islam, the House of Islam, and dar al-harb, the House of War, where Infidels have not yet been subjugated to Islam. “Islam is to dominate and not to be dominated” and eventually, all of the world, which belongs to Allah, will become part of dar al-Islam. The Jihad is the “struggle” to expand Islam, to create the conditions where Muslims may rule, and Islam may prevail. This Jihad to spread Islam has lasted 1350 years. It has no end, until its goal is reached, whatever periods of quiescence must be observed because of lack of effective instruments or power. Not every Muslim heart beats with passion for this idea, but around the world, a great many do. Furthermore, Infidels can never know when a Muslim who seemed so Westernized, so removed from such matters, may undergo a transformation, into a much more menacing True Believer.

        The Crusades were different. They were limited in both time and space. There was no interest in re-conquering, for Christianity, any territories held by Muslims beyond the Holy Land itself. The Crusades lasted a mere 200 years. Yet this difference is never noted by Muslims intent on blaming “the Crusades” and not the history of Jihad-conquest of Christian lands, and of the subjugation of Christian populations, to Muslim rule and to Muslim oppression (for the “dhimmi” was not so much a member of a “protected people” as of an “oppressed” –because deliberately humiliated and degraded — “people”).

        Tu-Quoque has led to real absurdities. At one gathering with a Muslim panel and an audience of Infidels, a Muslim professor recently assured his listeners that “Ku Klux Klan members used to sing Christian hymns as they crucified Afro-Americans.” No one bothered to point out that the Ku Klux Klan did not “crucify,” but lynched, its victims; that the Grand Kleagle did not lead his followers in song, much less Christian hymns, during these lynchings, and that the stoutest enemies of slavery, and then of the Ku Klux Klan, were to be found in the churches themselves, beginning with such celebrated abolitionist ministers as the Reverend Theodore Parker and Henry Ward Beecher.

        Though NPR has had hosts and guests who allude to Islam, those hosts, and those guests, almost without exception, are well-versed graduates of the Taqiyya and Tu-Quoque schools or, as the taxonomically-minded rhetoricians would say, suppressio veri and suggestio falsi. Those with degrees in Taqiyya insist on focusing on that “handful of extremists,” and “radical Islamists” who, of course, have nothing to do with “the real Islam,” the “peaceful, tolerant Islam” practiced by “the vast majority of moderate Muslims.” Graduates of the Tu-Quoque Academy (whose diplomas are still written in Latin) like to refer airily to “fundamentalists on all sides” who pose an equal threat to one another, and how important it is to “rein in the crazies” that “every society” and “every religion” throws up. But now, at least one invited guest commentator on NPR has suggested that things need to be taken one step further, and the word “Jihad” be dispensed with altogether. And should that step be taken, all the king’s horses and all the king’s men will not be able to put NPR together again.

        • defcon 4

          I’ve heard from a fellow ACT for America member that the hadith at http://www.usc.edu are being scrubbed/white-washed of antisemitism.

        • Glenn Partridge

          Well said. Thanks.
          What they really want is all speech to do with Islam cencored.

      • Softly Bob

        I agreed with you until the bit where you implied that Allah was the creator of mankind, then I laughed quite a lot, felt violently sick for a few minutes and then threw up!

        • Zachary Lucido

          Are you aware that Allah, Jehovah, and Yahweh, are all just different pronunciations of the same 4 Hebrew characters? If you are Christian, Jewish, or Muslim, you must believe Allah created the universe.

          • Drakken

            If you honestly believe that Christians/ Jews worship the same God as the muslims? Your really dumber than a bag of hammers and are living proof that you just can’t fix stupid, not even with duct tape. Not all people, religions and cultures are all equal there shortbus.

          • Zachary Lucido

            Well, have you tried LEARNING? I hear it’s a great way to go about understanding the world around you. Can you refute my assertion? (statement of fact or belief) If not, I win.

            ..I win!

          • defcon 4

            Your prize? A large, steaming, healthy mug of fresh squeezed camel urine. Drink it up in delight Hajji!

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            You win a Darwin Award.

            You win!

          • Notalibfool

            Try not to be so condescending, Zack. Your posts have only demonstrated that you are an intellectual lightweight.

            You lefties always accuse conservatives of being uneducated yet seem to lack knowledge yourselves. Aren’t you the guy that tried that “topple a democracy around WW2 for cheap oil in Iran” crap a while ago?

          • Drakken

            You sure didn’t have any competition in school did you? I’ll bet they handed you a trophy for just showing up. Oh yes learn you say, well I am still wondering what I am going to do with these two Master’s Degrees I have, and there is that having worked overseas for over 20 years and who can possibly forget that I have been to 68 different countries in my lifetime, who woulda ever thunk it. Why yes of course I have to learn something.

          • Notalibfool

            Lefties sure are quick to tell everyone else to get an education. Never do they realize that many conservatives (myself included) are university graduates.

          • Drakken

            I know right? I felt my IQ dropping by just answering this very special person.

          • Zachary Lucido

            But you never apparently learned how to debate or reason. Show me how I’m wrong.

          • Drakken

            Did your mommy give you a cookie and a pat on the head yet? You have no reasoning skills because you have no reference much less been anywhere in your life, debating with leftist is always a losing proposition, hence the time for niceties and pleasantries is over, so respect your betters there shortbus.

          • Zachary Lucido

            You never extended a nicety. Your behavior on here has been grouse and pathetic. If you actually want to be taken seriously you have to support an assertion you’ve made. That is how reasoning and debate work..

          • Drakken

            Well son, if you want to come out and bark with the big dogs, you have to get off the porch, otherwise stay with the pups. Here, I’ll contribute a dollar for some self esteem counseling for you. Your a intellectual lightweight, see the world for what it is, not for what you wish it to be. Now go run along to mommy, I am sure she will give you a hug and make it all better.

          • defcon 4

            His behavior has been birdlike? Huh?

          • Notalibfool

            You are making yourself look more and more like a fool, young Zack. Your low-IQ “history” teacher may have told you to argue like this, but in the real world it doesn’t work

            Now if YOU want to be taken seriously grow up and do some research.

          • defcon 4

            allah, the god of xenophobia, intolerance, antisemitism and fascism.

          • Veracious_one

            Christians, Jews, and the Universe all existed long before the invention of Allah….

          • Daniel Greenfield

            You’re 2 for 3. Allah is not a different pronunciation.

          • Zachary Lucido

            Look at that! A refutation, and you didn`t even call me a poopy head. ^That`s the way to post.^

            Allah is still Al-ilah? it comes out to The God in arabic, and they fallow the Old Testament and honer the virgen Mary. I think it`s fair to say they warship the same god as the Jews and Christians.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            That’s better, but no. Allah is an Islamic deity and while some of the Koran was loosely derived from Jewish and Christian scriptures by Mohammed and his followers, they were building it around a more generic deity from a pantheon to give it an air of monotheism.

            It’s clumsily done.

          • Softly Bob

            Actually Allah was a pagan moon god that was in the kaaba and worshiped by Arabs long before Mohammed was born.
            Allah is NOT the God of the Jews and Christians and Allah is NOT the creator of the Universe.

          • Zachary Lucido

            I’ll check if my mandatory humanities class was wrong, but I don’t think so….

          • Drakken

            Obviously you can’t bloody well think for yourself, so you didn’t get your monies worth.

          • Notalibfool

            If Zachary is an example of the typical high schooler these days then there is no hope.

          • Drakken

            Sadly this useless idiot is a prime example of what is re-education and programing these days. He is the rule, not the exception. The college folks are less than useless and it is amazing that these kids can’t tie their shoe laces without someone telling them when and where to do it. We are in deep trouble, no doubt about it.

          • Notalibfool

            Oohhhhhhhh, your MANDATORY humanities class. :)

            I can tell you from having spent four years as an undergraduate, another year as a grad student, and four years working in student services at a university that educators often push their own agenda even if they know they are wrong.

            It’s time for you to start questioning what is being fed to you, not just by your teacher but also by politicians, Hollywood stars, etc.

            Also, if you want sources do like I did and find them yourself. I will not do your work for you. You may be used to having everything being handed to you; now is when you need to start figuring things out on your own.

          • Notalibfool

            Son, I am a Christian. Allah is not my G-d and he did NOT create the universe.

          • Zachary Lucido

            He did if you believe the Old Testament. Like and good Muslim or Jew….

            What I’m saying is you are provably wrong.

          • Notalibfool

            And you are provably an idiot.

            Please read Softly Bob’s comment below. He explains it so simply that even a high school freshman can understand it.

      • Dead Kennedy

        Eaten any infidel livers lately?

      • danapointdad

        abdur, you ready to martyr yourself while committing mass murder?

        got some advice for ya, practice first in a big open field with nobody else around… make sure you got it right…

        • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

          :-) no i am not educated by Crusaders and their desperation tactic. I am a believer of Islam and not the one who deny Allaah and waste my life for idots who want to loot my wealth, rape our women, kill our childrens, and even after that project that they are peace makers of earth. Subhan-Allaah.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            desperation tactic?

            That is the rational for suicide bombings by you fellow islamofascist savages.

            Banning Islam in the West is a way to restore peace.

            Eurabia has already capitulated – so SCREW EURABIA.

          • Notalibfool

            Whoa! “Idots who want to loot my wealth, rape our women, kill our childrens, and
            even after that project that they are peace makers of earth.”

            Isn’t that precisely what the Ottomans did to the Byzantines and other Christians in that region?

          • Lee

            “I am a believer of Islam and not the one who deny Allaah and waste my life for idots who want to loot my wealth, rape our women, kill our childrens”

            Don’t you know that according to *Islam’s OWN TEXTS*, Muhammad lived his life as a thief, looting other peoples, RAPING their wives, and enslaving or killing their children? This is not only in the hadith, but Muhammad enshrined these CRIMINAL values in his Koran.

            If you already know this, how can you remain a slave to Muhammad? Are you a natural-born criminal?

          • defcon 4

            The stupid irony of the accusations you make against the najjis kuffar, is probably lost on your room temperature IQ.

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            A was expecting a better comment than this? No word to say i guess.

      • Vernon Nielsen

        youre sick, muslims are seriously disturbed mentally incapacitated zombies. I’m serious you may as well all be dead with how dead you are to life in reality. being that mind controlled that you cant see that the infinite NON religious power of the spirit goes so far beyond any experience you will eve have,,,Youre not a living being because you dont know life.

      • Susana Gonzalez

        Abdur previously you condemed western nations of interfering in islamic countries: “….last time i checked westerners were the cause of all killing in Iraq, Sudan, Somalia, Afganisthan, Pakistan, etc.’ So why Western powers should step in in Syria? to be blamed as being the invaders, the killers?
        Every nation that is attacked has the RIGHT to defend themselves. Is not? Bin laden who had the support of Afghanistan attacked USA 3 times, and because Afghan goverment refused to give Bin laden, showing their complicity they became ennemies. Simply.
        Why the ISLAMIC powers do not do their HOMEWORD? We have some examples: Iran power shiite nation can destroy the sunni rebels, or the Turkish [ancient Ottoman empire] could destroy the shiite nation of syria…but please do not mix western nations in your mess!!

      • Habbgun

        If you look at the world from on high nations disappear too but Moslems live for political violence. Sorry to break your heart but your planet thing has been said since the astronauts first saw that view and the last thing you’d expect from an Islamic nation is technological superiority. Grievance is much more your type of invention. Maybe we should have a Nobel Prize for grievances and you guys would start winning some.

        • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

          What a noble idea, but last time i checked you gave noble price to your president who is killing now Muslim around the globe…what about Henry Kissinger?

      • Veracious_one

        Islam causes Muslim on Muslim violence
        On April 23, Saad al-Durihim, a Saudi Wahhabi sheikh, posted a tweet on Twitter in which he said that jihadist fighters in Iraq should adopt a “heavy-handed” approach and kill any Shiites they can get their hands own, including children and women. This is so that the “rawafid” — a term used by Wahhabi Salafists to refer to Shiites — will fear them.

        A Saudi Wahhabi sheikh has issued a fatwa in which he calls on jihadists in Iraq to kill Shiites, including women and children, in another sign of the bitter sectarian conflict dividing the region, writes Haytham Mouzahem.Original Title:
        Wahhabi Sheikh Calls on Iraq’s Jihadists to Kill Shiite Children and Women

        This tweet sparked sharp criticism on Twitter. Many considered it to be incitement to murder and contrary to the tolerance of Islam, which forbids the killing of women and children in battle, even those of infidels and polytheists.

        Sheikh Durihim had previously posted a tweet in which he said that the people of Najd [in central Saudi Arabia] were the “saved group”, meaning they alone were the only ones who would enter Paradise on Judgment Day among all humans, including other Muslims. Najd is the region of Saudi Arabia where Wahhabism originated.

        Daraihim’s statements denouncing the Shiites as apostates — in accordance with Wahhabi Salafist doctrine — are not the first of their kind. Takfir (the idea of Muslims renouncing other Muslims as nonbelievers) goes back to fatwas issued by Sheikh Taqi ad-Din bin Taymiyyah, a Syrian sheikh from the Hanbali school of jurisprudence born in 1283 A.D. in Harran, a city near the Turkish-Syrian border. Sheikh Taymiyyah considered Shiites to be deluded heretics. He accused Shiite scholars of blasphemy and considered the general Shiite populace to be ignorant and misguided. This led his followers — in particular Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (1700-1791), the founder of Wahhabism — to denounce all Shiites, regardless of sect, as nonbelievers. They also authorized killing Shiites, holding their women captive, and stealing from them. This goes against the words of the Prophet Muhammad: “The whole of a Muslim is inviolable for another Muslim: his blood, his property and his honor.”

        Talk of a “saved group” goes back to to a hadith (a statement attributed to the Prophet Muhammad) — “My people will be divided into 73 groups, one will enter Paradise and 72 will enter Hell.” Some Muslims have taken this statement — which is unconfirmed and illogical — as fact, without regard to its content or authenticity.

        The aforementioned hadith has appeared in various forms, and has been a topic of controversy and debate among hadith scholars and experts in Islamic jurisprudence.

        Islamic researcher Abdullah al-Sarihi has written a study in which he noted that this hadith is fabricated and of questionable authenticity. It is not a credible hadith, given that many well-known Islamic figures have questioned it and there are definitive texts that oppose this statement. Likewise, the renowned Yemeni jurisprudential scholar Mohammed al-Shawkani said that this hadith lacks authenticity and credibility.

        Returning to these takfiri fatwas — which permit apostatizing other Muslims and subsequently killing them (and their women and children), stealing from them, and taking their women captive — we see that this is contrary to the true principles of Islam and the laws of all Semitic religions. The Prophet Muhammed would play games with children, befriend them, and joke with them. The Prophet was also kind to animals; when he was on his way to conquer Mecca, he saw a dog with her puppies and ordered his followers not to disturb her. He also ordered his followers not to tamper with the bodies of enemies as revenge for what the infidels of Quraysh did to his uncle Hamza’s body. He even forgave Hind bint Utbah, the wife of Abu Sufyan ibn Harb, and her servant Wahshi, who killed Hamza, desecrated his body, and have his liver to Hind to eat as revenge for the death of her father Utbah who was killed by Hamza in the Battle of Badr. [this is what Islam is all about -- one great isnad chain of being after another] at the craziness of Islam]

        The Prophet ordered his army commanders and fighters not to kill the women and children of infidels, and not to cut down trees or destroy buildings.

        Islamic writers of various sects have been obsessed with this fabricated hadith about the “saved group”, and have worked hard to determine the 73 sects. They have done this by counting various sects and dividing them into sub-sects to reach the desired number.

        Today, a major problem in the Islamic world is represented by the large number of muftis and sheikhs who are unqualified to issue fatwas, yet still issue fatwas characterized by idle talk and improvisation. Some Islamic jurists and preachers affiliated with sultans were still apostatizing other Muslims to satisfy their sultans.

        This isn’t limited to just takfir, but has progressed to the point of permitting killing, stealing from, and dishonoring of other Muslims. It even reached the point of bombing, where some youth have been deceived into believing that the shortest path to Paradise — to coming face to face with God — is carrying out a suicide bombing to kill infidels. These suicide bombers not only target fighters, soldiers and politicians, but also target mosques, churches, markets, schools and hospitals.

        These suicide bombers are truly misguided, and the blame falls on those who are described as religious scholars. These so-called scholars are not concerned with the image of Islam held by other Muslims, as they see Muslims killing one another and blowing up each others mosques.

        If we accept the argument that there is a Muslim sect that has erred and deviated from Islam, doesn’t this mean we should invite them to [the true] Islam?

        Didn’t the Quran say, “Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance”? (Sura An-Nahl, verse 125)

        If God has ordered Muslims to invite polytheists, Jews and Christians to Islam with wisdom and beautiful preaching, shouldn’t we first invite those Muslims with whom we disagree with wisdom and beautiful preaching, those who have gone astray or deviated from out views and thinking?

        There is no sect or group that maintains a monopoly on extremism and takfir, all sects are apostatizing others. Even members of the same sect or political group are now apostatizing members of their own group because of political disputes or a struggle for power and leadership.

        • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

          Good that you posted the entire news by a Muslims writer called as Haytham Mouzahem who wrote this article in http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/04/wahhabi-sheikh-fatwa-iraq-kill-shiites-children-women.html# and this journalist is moron from Syria who even cannot write about the 130000 Muslims killed and here he is quting from a twitter of some professor in Saudi who has a twitter https://twitter.com/Saldurihim and in that twitter there is no such mention of such claims to kill children and women, you uneducated masses of west don’t even search for truth and go beyond your School of Google and University of Youtube….do one thing search for this phrase in google “sharp criticism D Saad Darem” see how many criticism you can find in your google. None. Let me give you the actual link of what the Salafi are and their ideology….http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/slf/sLF.cfm?sc=channel&CID=3

          Or

          http://www.spubs.com/sps/sp.cfm?subsecID=MNJ14&articleID=MNJ140001&articlePages=1

          or if you want to read about wahabi, then read this…
          http://sinningslave.wordpress.com/ OR
          l.b5z.net/i/u/6103974/f/thewahhabimyth.pdf OR‎
          http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=26&Topic=8563

          time for you all to close you TV channel and visiting bigot and islamobhobia websites and look at the Quraan and learn from it… just google again and type A idiot Guide to Islam to learn about it.

          • Veracious_one

            If non-Muslims, or at least a sufficient number of them among those who rule over us, were to correctly understand the ideology of Islam and its effect on the minds of its adherents, even on many who do not seem to be possessed of a fanatical faith, then the world’s Infidels would recognize that whatever differences there are in the Camp of Islam, the essential hostility, the ineradicable division that Islam inculcates, is that between Muslim and non-Muslim. Of course there are differences among Muslims. There are the outward divisions of ethnic dress and background, and the most important difference is between the Arab Muslims, for whom Islam is a vehicle of Arab supremacism, and the non-Arab Muslims. There are sectarian divisions: Sunni Muslims constitute at least 85% of the worlds Muslims, Shi’a the rest (Ibadiya Islam is to be found only in Oman and in a few isolated villages in Algeria). There are economic differences and the resentments that naturally flow from such extreme differences: the oil-rich Muslims, especially those of the thinly-populated Gulf, and all the other Muslims who, save in a handful of places where Islam has been partly tamed (Turkey, Tunisia), must rely on the Jizyah-aid they manage to inveigle, unceasingly, from Infidels.

            The Western world should recognize both that there are divisions within the Camp of Islam — sectarian, ethnic, and economic — and at the same time recognize that, for its own self-protection, these are not divisions that Infidels should work to overcome but, rather, to welcome and to do nothing to diminish. When Muslim apologists and propagandists insist that “Islam is not a monolith,” what they are really attempting to do is to make sure that Infidels do not discuss “Islam” in the sense of an ideology that consists of immutable texts, and tenets, and attitudes and atmospherics that emerge within societies suffused with Islam. They want, that is, to prevent any discussion of Islam at all, by pretending that it is so very various a faith, that any attempt to discuss it will, by ignoring those differences, be irremediably false.

            Those propagandists have it exactly wrong. It is not only possible, but highly desirable, that Infidels both grasp the nature of the ideology of Islam, of what it not only inculcates but the attitudes it fosters, and at the same time, to be able to recognize the divisions within the Camp of Islam. When an apologist for Islam — say, John Esposito — says that “Islam is not monolithic,” one should reply by saying that indeed, Islam is based, above all, on a deep hostility to Infidels and to non-Muslim political and legal institutions, but at the same time, Muslims show sectarian, ethnic, and economic divisions that, within the Umma or Community of Believers, can be identified, and encouraged, so as to cause division and demoralization within the Camp of Jihad. A little time will be needed, and these divisions, and this demoralization will begin to have an effect. That demoralization, by the way, accounts for the calls for “reform” of Islam. Such calls come only at times when, as in the early 20th century, Muslims were perceived as weak. At that time, some Muslims — thinkers such as Abduh and Afghani, and even a powerful man of action, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk — recognized that something had to be done, because there was something about Islam that caused the weakness of the Muslim camp.

            And Infidels are coming to their senses — it isn’t happening overnight, but it is happening — about Islam. This is happening not so much because of the brilliance of those who grasp the nature of Islam, but rather because of the effect of the perceived behavior and attitudes of Muslims, not least in the Western world.

            But meanwhile, the OPEC trillions and the Muslim immigrant millions have given Muslims the feeling that they are powerful, that they are on the march, that they cannot be stopped. The Lesser Jihads — that against Israel, or against Kashmir, on in the Balkans — are now overshadowed by many other local Jihads, such as that conducted in Western Europe, through deployment of the Money Weapon, and campaigns of Da’wa, and demographic conquest. And these Lesser Jihads, everywhere, together make up the worldwide Jihad, for they are all conducted by Muslims against non-Muslim states and peoples, and all with the same shared aim: to remove all obstacles to the spread, and then the certain dominance, of Islam. Military means, whether qitaal or terrorism, have received far too much attention — though for certain countries, such as Israel and India, the military threat is the most important, as it is, in a way, in the southern Sudan, southern Philippines, and southern Thailand, to varying degrees.

            But attention should also be given to the economic and diplomatic warfare that Muslim states wage. And within the countries of the West, attention should be given to the war waged by Muslim immigrants determined to confuse and distract Western governments from undertaking sensible measures of self-defense, whether as part of foreign or domestic policy. Attention should be paid to how some Muslim immigrants use the freedoms of the West for the purposes of furthering Islam, an ideology that does not accept, and would not tolerate Infidel laws for an instant, were Muslims to become dominant. The weapons of this “struggle” or Jihad are, in the main, those of the Money Weapon, campaigns of Da’wa, and demographic conquest. These weapons also include the attempt to hide or camouflage or misrepresent the ideology of Islam, and even the attempts by Muslims to dominate, for example, the academic study of Islam. This is done so as to prevent Western Infidels from learning the truth and from even being aware of all the works by Western scholars who wrote in the period (roughly, before 1970) before the curtain descended and the Age of Inhibition began.

            These works need to be held up to the light, so that an alarmed citizenry can recognize the systematic attempts to monopolize the study of Islam and of subjects related to it, such as the Arab and Muslim Jihad against Israel.

            Despite the differences in Sunni and Shi’a doctrines, despite the four different schools of Sunni jurisprudence, despite geographic sweep in the lands of the Believers, with different levels of wealth, and different encounters with Infidels of differing power and attitudes, despite the outward differences — of clothing, say, or cuisine — when it comes to Islam, the texts and the tenets of Islam as they pertain to the role of Muslims, and the proper role of Infidels, Islam is so much of a piece that it may certainly be described as “monolithic.” What is not “monolithic” are Muslims themselves. And it is precisely those divisions among them that may be used by Infidels in order to weaken what may truly be called the Camp of Islam. But one must have an understanding of Islam and the threat it poses to Infidel legal and political institutions, and to the physical security of all non-Muslim peoples and polities, to be put into a frame of mind where one can recognize the need to identify, and then to exploit, those divisions within the Camp of Islam. If you refuse to study Islam, if you willfully remain ignorant of what it inculcates, if you will not examine the texts, will not grasp the tenets, will not read the great Western scholars, will not even read the Muslim scholars who write, unapologetically, not for Infidels but for fellow Muslims — and thus tell the truth — if you will not study the history, over 1350 years, of Muslim conquest and the subjugation of many different kinds of non-Muslims, if you will not endow with proper significance the behavior and statements of Muslims today, you will never understand this. They have shown themselves to so perturb the Infidel societies within which some have been allowed to settle, and they move heaven and earth to prevent study by non-Muslims of the texts and tenets, insisting that “only Muslims” can explain what those texts mean.

            And then there are these apologists for Islam, the knowledgeable Muslims who are well versed in the sly and sinister arts of misrepresentation (see, for example, Tariq Ramadan). With non-Muslims so often ignorant, they offer these unwary non-Muslim auditors a standard litany, consisting of highly selective quotation from the Qur’an and the Hadith. For example, they never fail to offer 2.256 (“there is no compulsion in religion”) but the unwary auditor doesn’t think to ask: if that is so, then why are those who wish to leave Islam threatened with death? And if that is so, why are those non-Muslims who are not killed nor immediately subject to forcible conversion, subject instead to the onerous, and for some intolerable, burdens — the humiliation, the degradation, the physical insecurity — that come with the dhimma? Yet these smooth spokesmen then proceed to offer the standard highly selective and completely misleading quoting out of context — 2.256 and 5.32 without 5.33, for example. Any intelligent and wary Infidel auditor, if well-prepared, can provide the standard contents of the Muslim Apologist’s brief florilegium of Qur’anic quotes and handful of “inauthentic” ahadith.

            It is natural to want to take, as representative, the most soothing and plausible representatives of Islam. If they possess personal charm, are soft-spoken, if the women are good-looking, if it is all on the level of let’s ignore Islam, let’s ignore those who are possessed of a fanatical faith, soyons raissonable, after all we are all adults in this Washington policy-making room, we are not primitives…it is so very easy. And besides, one wishes to believe this kind of thing — because if one did not, how much more difficult and trying and dangerous would the monumental task at hand appear to be. So those with the responsibility to protect us take as “representative” the most charming, most plausible, most outwardly winning of people. Just imagine, for example, Queen Rania or Queen Noor in their carefully-worded appearances, and how little either of them helps us to understand the primitive masses of Muslims, or what Islam inculcates. Their smiles, their sly and careful way of putting things, simply serve to obscure, as they themselves merely confuse and distract.

            Unless one has the mental ballast that knowledge of Islam and the history of Islamic conquest provides, one may well be swayed by a soft-spoken colleague from Karachi who expresses such a warm interest in one’s family. But just try to get him on the subject of little Aisha, or the Danish cartoons, or India, or Israel, or “Islamophobia,” and see the subdued or open hysteria that suddenly is revealed. One may, on the other hand, be swayed by a charmer and smiler with, as Chaucer says, “the knyf under the clok.” Because it is not merely the obvious fanatically-faithed members of the Taliban who are the threat, but all those who confuse and distract, all those who push, in ways different from the obvious terrorism that is easy to identify and therefore to rouse oneself against, the “struggle” or Jihad to remove all obstacles to the spread and dominance of Islam.

            The business of “Islam is not a monolith” is a part of the blague. It is designed to confuse, designed to silence Infidel examination (and criticism) of Islam, and thus to weaken resistance to the Islamic Jihad.

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            why dont you write anything from your intelectual brain. How is your life and shifting of article out of context will help you? the difference of religion is there in every religion and this are in the field of science too. that does not mean science is wrong. Only difference, people of science dies with their theory which cant be proved (and the other who read it try to prove it in vain) and here they use the religion to gain control of power. So, this still Islam does not confuse, this are people who sins and try to manipulate Islam and fall into destruction. the path of Islam is straight path only for those who follow the path of Quraan, Sunnah and the way of the early generation of Sahabah.

          • Veracious_one

            are you imposing takfir on Haytham Mouzahem ?

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            no i meant you are Jahil (Ignorant) who like to twist and deduce words yourself. Please read the fundamental principle of Ahle-Sunnah wal-Jammah, and the link that i gave to know who are salafi and when they will call other people a takfir! This is not a job of layman like me or you, this are job of the scholars. Haytham has to do research before he quotes any Salafi Scholars, then again if he finds any Salafi student or Scholars doing any action that are at cross road with Islam, then he has to bring that to the scholars of Salafi and complain about them, so that the scholars take action on them. Salafi does not permit anyone to comment on any matter, for this we have ulema. We are not disorganised people, like whoever can comment on anyone and escape with the excuse of freedom of speech, our speech as based on knowledge of Islam and the guidence from the salafi ulema, we dont take their role to give fatwa, they do. I hope this clarifies and i hope that you agian dont try to push words into other people mouths and take things out of context.

  • Drakken

    This is islam at its best, good riddance to bad rubbish, the time is coming to give the muslims what they so richly deserve, our infidel western patience is not infinite. Deo Volente!

    • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

      patience? ummhh….last time i checked westerners were the cause of all killing in Iraq, Sudan, Somalia, Afganisthan, Pakistan, etc. What patience are you talking about. Muslim are the one who were patience and now you made them do things that they never should have started. Allaahu Akbar, looks like we are not learning from the mistakes.

      • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

        Last time I looked it was Muslims killing Muslims in those countries. Very few were killed by Americans. Americans were trying to stop Muslims from killing each other in Iraq. Look at Syria … we never invaded Syria and you see the same killing that Islam inspires everywhere. Thank God Obama isn’t trying to stop. I hope we step back and let Muslims kill each other.

      • Drakken

        Listen very closely ragheaded desert ape, us infidels of western heritage are slow to anger, but once you open Pandora’s little box of horrors, there will be no closing it and no amount of praying to allah to save your goat humping azzes. If you thought us infidels are bad to you now? You haven’t seen anything yet, but trust me, you will in spades, God Bless the Crusades, another one is coming. By the way everything you have, Allah didn’t provide it, us western infidels did, including the tech to get that oil out of the ground.

        • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

          Subhan-Allaah, bring it on, like how you tried from 16-21st century and will try, Insha-Allaah. However, my point is not about war or killing ignorant westerner or Muslims, I am more interested to know your knowledge on Islam than what weapon you make or use to kill Muslims in the name of Technological advance. Drinking Oil and Blood of Muslim are one in the same, but gaining Knowledge on Islam is a different ball game. I hope you understand that this “rag-headed desert ape” is much more polite and have civilised culture to comment on this forum, and i do expect that you too have the same. Unless, Western society have brainwashed you thinking that you are from “ape from concrete jungle” and hence to respond in the same way.

          • Glenn Partridge

            We are apes Abdur and it’s not Western society that brainwashes us but Western science that educates us. We have plenty of people in our society who do (are
            brainwashed) believe we were created by a God but thankfully are not Islamic. It is only Islam that conquers through terror as its prophet set the example and good Muslims follow his example.

            Abdur, educating one’s self about Islam today is only a mouse click away and I’ve been doing it for 13 years, since 9/11 when some of your brothers, following Mohammad’s example of terrorizing the kafr (one who hides the truth) flew planes into the twin towers.

            Isn’t Islamic psychology amazing, kafr doesn’t just mean disbelief; it means someone who knows Islam is true but rejects that truth, implying a sin. Shirk became more emphasized in the later verses of the Qur’an when Mohammad became stronger in numbers and more warlike.
            The thing is though, Muslims think that the truth of Islam is so obvious that us non-believers must be lying. So that we can go of and sin of course.
            I look at them gob smacked.

            Mohammad made clear who was innocent or not and the kafr are clearly not and so are legitimate targets for thr Muslim’s jihad.

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            the moment any westerner sites me 911 and keeps repeating the twin tower or the plane in Pennsylvania or in Pentagon, i seriously doubt if you are an American or not? You have to be hypnotised from repeating the plane crash to know and believe that Muslim have done it and of course you will not come out of this unless you face the truth yourself, can you please go back and talk to your own intelectual and scientist who argue that this is inside job. I don’t want to list any website, as Google can return plenty which is enough to spend another 13 years watching it.

          • Notalibfool

            We know what really happened on 9/11, and no, it was not an inside job.

            It was, as a matter of FACT, a group of Muslims who committed those atrocities against innocents. No amount of lying from you or useful idiot “intellectuals” can change the truth of what happened that day.

            Stop trying to fool us. We know what you are attempting to do.

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            If you want to live life with denial, then its your wish! In fact just go one step ahead and believe all that is listed in this site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag is nonsense, and actually you are saint who dont use flash pretext to wage a war on other country. Look, as a Muslim i dont deny that the people who are behind 911 are criminals and should be given maximum penalty, but this should be done only when it is proved, no one yet have never proved this, its only your govt and media that has brainwashed you till now and you have to go beyond you childhood geography teaching “World is America” and “America is world”. I real American will live for truth and not for falsehood. I hope you will stand with me on it.

          • Notalibfool

            I will never stand with you and your lies. You have failed.

          • Drakken

            Love us and ours, eff you and yours, your about to find out soon enough.

          • Drakken

            The time has come on gone to be civilized with uncivilized savages, I know your islam very well, as have been among you savages for over 20 years. Obviously western education wasn’t your strong suit haji, and you think of us as decedent and weak, you could not be more wrong, and your going to find out just how nasty us westerners can get. Your islam is an abomination to humanity and has been since that pedophile false devils prophet crawled out of the desert and fu**ed his first 9 year old. The time is coming soon raghead, where your going to have to pay the fiddler for dancing to his tune.

        • Jools Ferguson

          The West “made them do things that they never should have started”. Says it all, doesn’t it?

          • Drakken

            Blame us for the sh**holes they live in and the misery and pestilence they have brought upon themselves. I used to have sympathy and empathy for these sub human savages, I am all out, I thought that maybe we could save a few, I was wrong.

      • Daniel Greenfield

        Did Westerners cause Mohammed to murder a female poet who made fun of him?

      • Veracious_one

        last time i checked westerners were the cause of all killing in Iraq, Sudan, Somalia, Afganisthan, Pakistan, etc

        that’s OK Allah approves of lying…..it’s in the Qur’an Are Muslims permitted to lie?

        Summary Answer:

        Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to “smooth over differences.”

        There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam – in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

        The Qur’an:

        Qur’an (16:106) – Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Muslim to tell a lie.

        Qur’an (3:28) – This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to “guard themselves.”

        Qur’an (9:3) – “…Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters…” The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

        Qur’an (40:28) – A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must “hide his faith” among those who are not believers.

        Qur’an (2:225) – “Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts” The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.

        Qur’an (66:2) – “Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths”

        Qur’an (3:54) – “And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.” The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

        Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be “compelled” to deceive others for a greater purpose.

        From the Hadith:

        Bukhari (52:269) – “The Prophet said, ‘War is deceit.’” The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad’s men after he “guaranteed” them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).

        Bukhari (49:857) – “He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar.” Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.

        Bukhari (84:64-65) – Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an “enemy.”

        Muslim (32:6303) – “…he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them).”

        Bukhari (50:369) – Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka’b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad’s insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka’b’s trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.

        From Islamic Law:

        Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 – 8.2) – “Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory… it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression…

        “One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie.

      • Veracious_one

        Did westerners cause the Muslim crusades?

        • Softly Bob

          No

        • Zachary Lucido

          They started the Christian crusades, unless you literally mean western, in which case they weren’t around, but did topple a democracy around WW2 for cheap oil in Iran.

          • Drakken

            Oh look! Another product of our current re-education system, re-educated beyond their capability nor understanding and a leftist in good standing who has a serious case of self loathing and self hating of our western culture, how quaint. Sing a little more kumbaya to our enemies there Sparky, that should work, your going to have to pardon me as I grab a cocktail and watch as Darwin gets his due.

          • Zachary Lucido

            I see the dripping, almost cartoon villainish condescension, but no display of superiority. I actually feel slightly validated by this.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Islamofascism and Islamoimperialism in a nutshell.

          • Drakken

            Islam being islam.

          • Drakken

            Well a little puzzy like you should, Darwin loves folks like you, ask your friend Rachel “St. Pancake” Corrie how well tha worked out for her. Put your money where your big liberal mouth is and go to any ME country or Africa for that matter, and go ahead and join them. I wanna watch what happens next.

          • Veracious_one
          • Zachary Lucido

            I will read it.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            BS. If what you say is true then all petro regimes toppled for cheap oil.

            Saudis still stand.

            And $100 per barrel oil, raping the ENTIRE WORLD, ain’t cheap.

          • Notalibfool

            Zack seems to be pushing that Mossadegh was a saint nonsense. Too bad he knows so little about recent Iranian history.

          • defcon 4

            I wish the jackal had murdered all the OPEC islam0nazi pigs when he had the chance.

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            Go ahead and implement this. I think you nailed the real cause of earth war. If you do this all Muslim then can safely go back to their way of being a proper Muslim.

          • ServosT

            I suppose the muslim horde was invited into the historically Christian Middle East back in the 700′s.

          • Notalibfool

            Zachary, that “topple a democracy around WW2 for cheap oil in Iran” BS has been discussed several times in the Front Page forums. Mossadegh was removed for some very good reasons, none of which happened to be cheap oil. Mossadegh was no supporter of democracy and he was certainly NOT a hero.

          • Zachary Lucido

            Wiki and my history teacher said otherwise. What are your sources?

          • Drakken

            You flunked lunch didn’t you? Obviously your progressive history so called teacher didn’t know what he was talking about and anyone who uses wiki as a source is an automatic fail. See Junior, we have this little thingy called the internet and it has all sorts of magical things you can discover with a little finger power and a slight imagination. So easy that even you can do it.

          • Zachary Lucido

            Which is why I would happily read any citations you lot provide. The internet is full of biased information. Where to look for the truth is not simple.

          • Drakken

            It is called critical thinking skills, something that you obviously lack.

          • Notalibfool

            Your history is just another product of our leftward-leaning centers of higher “education.”

            My sources are REALITY. You may want to check in someday. :)

      • tonygadoy

        mmmm, still a bad try mr. muzzie. The cycle of violence imposed by muslims against the infidels has started way back to the times of moo.ham.mad, until such time the crusades sprung up. allah f**king bar. You must have to learn not from quran. It’s evil.

        • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

          Tony, Again wrong, the war on the people who worshiped other thatn 1 GOD was started much before the coming of Mohamed peace be upon him, by Adam, Idris (Enoch), Nuh (Noah), Hud, Saleh, Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma’il (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Lut (Lot), Ya’qub (Jacob), Yousef (Joseph), Shu’aib, Ayyub (Job), Musa (Moses), Harun (Aaron), Dhu’l-kifl (Ezekiel), Dawud (David), Sulaiman (Solomon), Ilias (Elias), Al-Yasa (Elisha), Yunus (Jonah), Zakariyya (Zechariah), Yahya (John),’Isa (Jesus) and the last and FINAL Muhammad, Peace and blessing be on all of them.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Funny how almost your entire list consists of Jews.

          • Drakken

            Careful ! You might just make poor Haji prematurely detonate! ;) saying things like that!

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            Seems like you have tied them with body detonate, and have the control at anytime to press it. Hence, i say that you should be a Muslim to talk in a proper way, as your current tactics to scare Muslims around the globe is not working.

          • defcon 4

            PASBUH to muhamMAD.

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            Greek to me, can you talk like human.

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            Again another Historical fact fallacy, entire list of Prophet and Messenger are ‘jews’? where did you go to school? Sorry for the pun, but do you really know when the world of jews came into existence, no not when Adam and Eve set their foot in this Earth? Please do some research again.

      • danapointdad

        wrong abdur.

        most of the death in those countries is muslims killing muslims in the name of islam.

        nobody makes anyone do anything, you are free to kill someone or not, don’t blame others for your murdering ways.

        • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

          Agree, Muslim killing Muslim, but NOT in the name of Islam, if you are from political background you will realise that they are already Muslim, so what are they fighting for? Not to establish Allaah command of worshiping 1 God, but to gain power on the land and throw out the western power hegemony. UN is scared on this and they are now trying their best to defuse it, if this go for a long time, then entire Middle-East will fall either one of the waring group and both are dangerous for western economy and survival.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            What have Muslims been fighting each other over since Mohammed’s time?

          • Lee

            Yes, good question. Muhammad of course made his judgment emphatic, that any Muslim seen to deviate from “true” Islam, or who was believed to have left Islam, should be killed [my emphasis]:

            Bukhari 84,57 “…according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle ‘WHOEVER CHANGED his Islamic religion, THEN KILL HIM.’

            83,17 Allah’s Apostle said, “THE BLOOD OF A MUSLIM… cannot be shed EXCEPT…THE ONE WHO REVERTS FROM ISLAM (apostate) and leaves the Muslims”

            This apostasy can also apply to Muslims who befriend Christians or Jews, as Muhammad states in Koran 5.51, and as justifies Muslims killing Muslims who work alongside Christians or Jews:

            ‘O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. HE among you WHO TAKETH THEM FOR FRIENDS is (ONE) OF THEM. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.’

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            Daniel, i don’t expect such question from you at least? “Muslims fighting with each other since Mohamed Time”, first prove me that this is true with historical facts, then we will discuss why?

          • Daniel Greenfield

            How are Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen and Bahrain for you?

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Muslims kill Muslims to bring joy to your prophet of Satan called Muhammed.

            Spilling blood for muhammed – a death cult at war with EVERYBODY.

          • Drakken

            I am rather enjoying you savages tearing each other to pieces, this is better than watching survivor, but for real.

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            me too…they are not going to do this for long…and then they will come to you with Quraan, Insha-Allaah

          • Drakken

            You go ahead and bring that koran, soon it is going to be like deer hunting, if it is brown, it is down. Say do you like your jihad crispy or extra crispy?

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            Good to know that you are cook, and knows when deer becomes crispy or extra crispy, may be your skill will help you to earn money and spend your life in this Allaah given earth for few more years, Insha-Allaah, question is then what when Allaah commands you the air you breath to stop travelling to your nostrils. Or your heart to stop pumping. And then you will know where you are going isn’t? But my question is why wait till then? Why not read the same Quraan and see what it has to offer?

          • Drakken

            I have read the devils book the Koran, I follow the 11th Commandment, thou shall know thy enemies as they knows oneself. You worship the devil, not God for your complete denial of all things western is proof.

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            1st its not Koran, that you should read, its The Noble Qur’aan, then if every human has the capacity to just read a book and understand then, me and you should not have gone to School and University to learn any subjects. We should have bought the books from the school and read it at home and say that we have now have our masters degree. Then with this self awarded degree we go to the market and seek job/business, they will laugh at us, Isn’t? So Quraan is much superior book to give much more time and attention to read about. What you call Devil today with Ignorance, is actually a Handsome Angle that will fight as a lawyer for you in the day of judgement, your arrogance is now puzzling him to distance with you, think about what you will do when your breath is going to stop and then from their where you will be going and how this Devil Book is going to help you and fight for your salvation. And yep all this only when you believe in Allaah and his books. If not nothing, can save you except Allaah and yourself. Me or any other muslim have no business with you after this.

          • defcon 4

            Then go to Syria and join the fun jihadi ape.

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            No thanks, for this UN is enough to send some Christian missionary disguised as peace makers…then they will get beaten up again…i am not interested in what is happening in Syria or any damn place on the earth to Muslim or non-muslim, you need to bring proof from Quraan and hadith to malign Islam and its teaching and not point finger at the people who are fighting for power and rule. Its called as Logical Fallacy…e.g. oh look at Hitler a Christian killing Jews, so all Christians are Terrorist and blood sucker of jews. Will that help for the cause of Christians.

          • Lee

            “you need to bring proof from Quraan and hadith to malign Islam and its teaching”

            I first want to acknowledge that you are no more responsible for inventing Islam’s criminal incitement than I am. You aren’t responsible for Muhammad’s values, and you don’t need to spend your life defending the indefensible. But you need to know that Muhammad – through his Koran and personal example – was the worst criminal the world has ever known.

            To begin with, here’s Muhammad’s declaration of war on humanity, and mandating fighting people:

            Hadith of Bukhari 2, 26
            “Allah’s Apostle was asked, “What is the best deed?”
            He replied, “To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, “What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, “TO PARTICIPATE IN JIHAD (religious fighting) in Allah’s Cause.”

            And in Muhammad’s Koran:

            9.29 FIGHT THOSE who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger…nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they…feel themselves subdued.

            2.216 WARFARE is ORDAINED for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is GOOD FOR YOU, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.

            4.95 Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and FIGHT in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons..

            9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods…they FIGHT in His cause, and SLAY and are slain..

            Next I’ll present Muhammad on preaching murder, rape, theft, torture, pedophilia, and killing children (this last value the Taliban quoted in justifying its attempt to kill Malala Yousafzai).

      • Vernon Nielsen

        Last time i checked , since the dawning of islam its been one of the worst murdering cults of all time. islam was founded on murder, mass murder. islam was founded on pedophelia and rape. islam is founded on enforced ignorance burning enlightening books. if we’re in the middle east, its because the world decided the inhumanity of islam needed to end, and it does. Sharia law persecutes rape victims or anything that doesnt mindlessly obey tyranny. Christianity and judaism create the same kind of hate. time these religions died. past time.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Muslim murder of innocents continues today – world wide.

          That is why there are checkpoints at every airport in the world.

      • Veracious_one

        Did westerners cause the Armenian genocide or the Hindu slaughter of 1971?

        • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

          Come back to the topic of Middle-East, then we will catch upon Hindu…

          • Notalibfool

            Way to dodge the question! But if you are unwilling to answer Veracious_one’s question, then maybe you will be so kind as to answer mine:

            Did Westerners cause the rape, pillage, and plunder of Constantinople in 1453?

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            Good Question? I don’t want to be rude asking question again, but let me answer you by posting this….Source…http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople

            Transition to the Ottoman era 1453–1922[edit]
            For more complete information on the city during the Ottoman period, see Istanbul
            Finally, the Christian Orthodox city of Constantinople was under Ottoman control. When Mehmed II finally entered Constantinople through what is now known as the Topkapi Gate, he immediately rode his horse to the Hagia Sophia, which he ordered to be sacked. He ordered that an imam meet him there in order to chant the Shahada, the Islamic creed which declares belief in the oneness of God and acceptance of Muhammad as God’s prophet”[61] This act transformed the Orthodox cathedral into a Muslim mosque, solidifying Islamic rule in Constantinople.

            Mehmed’s main concern with Constantinople had to do with rebuilding the city’s defenses and repopulation. Building projects were commenced immediately after the conquest, which included the repair of the walls, construction of the citadel, and building a new palace.[62] Mehmed issued orders across his empire that Muslims, Christians, and Jews should resettle the city; he demanded that five thousand households needed to be transferred to Constantinople by September.[62] From all over the Islamic empire, prisoners of war and deported people were sent to the city: these people were called “Sürgün” in Turkish (Greek: σουργουνιδες).[5] Two centuries later, Ottoman traveler Evliya Çelebi gave a list of groups introduced into the city with their respective origins. Even today, many quarters of Istanbul, such as Aksaray, Çarşamba, bear the names of the places of origin of their inhabitants.[5] However, many people escaped again from the city, and there were several outbreaks of plague, so that in 1459 Mehmet allowed the deported Greeks to come back to the city.[5]

          • Notalibfool

            Nice ramble but you didn’t answer my question.

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            Which part of answer you did not understand?

          • Notalibfool

            I understood it perfectly, none of it was news to me. What part of my very simple question did you not understand?

            Also, given that I reject Muhammad and his lies, what do you think should be done to me?

          • Notalibfool

            Oh, and please just answer my last question directly. Don’t ramble on and on this time. What do I deserve for having rejected Muhammad?

          • Notalibfool

            Oh, and please just answer my last question directly. Don’t ramble on and on this time. What do I deserve for having rejected Muhammad?

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            Ok, you now are acting like a kid, your question has been answered very clearly but you act as if you don’t understand, never mind this happen with adolescents.

            Coming to your second part of question, You reject Mohammed peace be upon him and his message of worshiping 1 GOD, then there is lots of thing that you can do to learn more on it till you understand…see if http://www.thebigdebates.com/‎ site videos help you to understand the various hypocrites, logical fallacy, prejudice, bigot, etc unraveled in front of you so that you unbecoming of this quality.

          • Notalibfool

            LOL! I am acting like a kid! You are so pathetically funny.

            Just give a straight answer to my simple question: What punishment do I deserve for rejecting Muhammad?

          • defcon 4

            I hope the Hindus catch up w/the muslimes and visit upon muslimes the slaughter the muslimes have visited upon them.

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            They are trying and still trying and failed, then we says to them, Allaah is our protector.

          • Drakken

            It would seem that in Burma you muslims are getting a taste of your own medicine, in spades.

          • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

            True, they got that in past too, and may get in future too, Allaahu Aalam, but still not a good argument to claim that it will be forever, the reign of 1 God will prevail over all human, object, science,etc worshipers, whether you like it or not, whether you & I will be alive or not to witness it, may be your future generation. Bottom line this is not still going to destroy Muslims or stop non-muslims to embrase Islam. This is the qadr which will happen, Insha-Allaah. Question is if you do submit to 1 God or spend the life in worshippig demigod or thnik that Ape were god and worship them and their theory. Allaah has given you the choice, so choose wisely, in Day of Judgement you will not stand to give excuse that someone asked me to worship 1 God, but i didnot listen, so send me back. You aint coming back.

      • Susana Gonzalez

        No Abdur. Get your information right. Was Sadam hussein who murdered Kusdish people. Was SAdam who invaded IRAQ and caused thousands of deads. It was Turkish who murdered 1,000,000 armenian people. It was Muslim North Africa who demanded to USA 1 million dollar every year for no kidnapping western people and Ships in the 1800s year, until USA forced them to peace. Is Pakistan who kills their own people in a sectarian war in a daily basis. Is islamic Somalia who wiped out its Christian population and did not allow humanitarian aid, causing the dead of 35,000 muslim children. It was North Sudan muslims who comitted a genocide in the mountains againsts the peopl eof NUBA and Christians. IS BOKO Haram who keep murdering children which only sins is going to school. In CAR, muslims wanted to impose its religion in a state formed by 75% of christians, until France intervened.
        Dear Sir: Lies can be easily uncovered. Is the time to see reality and accept it. Anyplace where ISLAM is, there is CHAOS and war.
        For civilized people looking at islamic countries forcing little children to marry or killing by honour or killing each other by sectarian wars is simply disgusting. God is not about CHAOS but a GOD OF PEACE.

        • defcon 4

          Kurds a mucking fuslimes. They participated in the genocide and enslavement of some 2.5 million Armenian and Assyrian Christians in Turkey.

      • JJF

        Iraq, Sudan, Somalia, Afganisthan, Pakistan

        RUBBISH! KILLING IN ALL THOSE ISLAMIC CESSPITS IS MUSLIM KILLING MUSLIM.
        OR MUSLIM KILLING NON-MUSLIM.

  • http://silencethemessenger.blogspot.com/ Iman Infidel

    She resembles the muslim student association’s “pledge of allegiance” as follows;

    Allah is my lord.
    Islam is my life.
    The Koran is my guide.
    The Sunna is my practice.
    Jihad is my spirit.
    Righteousness is my character.
    Paradise is my goal.
    I enjoin what is right.
    I forbid what is wrong.
    I will fight against oppression.
    And I will DIE to establish Islam.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Let ‘em all DIE with their goals unfulfilled and spend eternity in Nakba Paradise.

  • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

    You can imagine the usual reframe:

    “Only a few become active jihadi, this doesn’t say anything about Islam.”

    One wished they’d actually examine Islam and see what it demands. Of course, only a minority takes up arms. Even at the height of WWII only a minority of Americans were in the military. Not everyone heeds such a calling, especially if a government doesn’t organize it.

    One might note that only a very small number of Catholic boys take vows of celibacy and become priests. Does that small percentage mean that becoming a priest isn’t Catholic? Clearly the demands of such a calling tell us a few very devoted and devout men will undertake such a demanding sacrifice. Small percentages don’t imply “fringe” in and of itself.

    Likewise, in Islam dying in battle is a sacrifice that takes a great deal of devotion and zealousness. Of course, only a few will heed such a calling. But look at what they study, think, and say. It is unmistakeable that their religion is the driving force behind their sacrifice. Why would men/women from around the world who never met a Syrian nor been within 1000 miles of Syria willingly join a battle and risk their lives? It’s not poverty, tribe, nor ethnic membership.

    This is Islam. A religion created by a political leader and superb military commander—one who invented trench warfare during his most famous battle.

    • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

      They don’t die for any political leader or commander, they die to be in hereafter with Allaah, which again ONLY if you die doing good and justice in earth for the sake of Allaah, and NOT by killing yourself.

      • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

        Sure, Abdur, sure. That’s what Mohammad told his followers: you’re not doing this for me, you’re doing it for Allah. And, yes, the point isn’t to die but to kill (what you call doing good). Thanks for the Muslim perspective.

      • Drakken

        Soon us infidels are going to give you Islamic savages an express lane to the devils paradise. Keep up the great jihad muslim, we are going to return the favor with a Crusades on steroids.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        You fellow koranazis can all go to “paradise” in work place accidents or your normal internecine wars with the “wrong kind of Muslim”.

  • Softly Bob

    “Islam is My Identity. The Burqa is My Shield. Paradise is My Destination.”
    Okay., let’s look at this:

    Islam is my identity – fair enough.

    The Burqa is my shield – okay er..fair enough, if you say so.

    Paradise is my destination – you sure about that? You’re a woman. There is no paradise for women in Islam. Muslim paradise is for men.

    Sorry love, but you’ve been duped.

    Another stupid Muslima falls for the bait!

  • SDN

    Every a muslim terrorist is revealed by the media friends always pathetically says “she was just like everyone else” ! “I never thought she/he would do something like that” ! This simply proves that event the most westernized polite, hard-worker, moderate muslims can turn into a bloodthirsty jihadist and why moderate muslims are not the answer. http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/6120-ten-reasons-why-moderate-muslims-are-not-the-answer

    • Drakken

      A muslim is a muslim and islam is islam no matter the stripe, and where ever islam goes, the blood always flows without exception. If your looking for the proverbial “moderate muslim” to help you out with the muslim problem? You will be waiting until h*ll freezes over.

      • SDN

        Like I said ‘moderate muslims’ are not the answer because the problem is Islam in itself. However I can respect individual muslims who accommodate the practice of their faith with our laws.

    • defcon 4

      Just like the pot smoking Jihadi who took part in the Boston Marathon.

  • Captain Canuck

    It’s no exaggeration to say that until is westerners decide that we are willing to sacrifice our freedom or our lives to arrest the spread of islam it will continue … We must have our own martyrs who are willing to sacrifice themselves , our govts will not help …

    • Drakken

      Just wait until all sorts of h*ll breaks lose in Europe, that is where it will start and it will quickly spread from there. Absolutely no one is talking about the buildup in Bosnian of muslim forces from all over the muslim world who are about kick off another round of uncivil strife, only this time the Russians are going to be involved(there are over 1,800 advisors in Serbia as we speak) and there is no country in Europe that will be able to stop what is coming, and I say let the Croats and Serbs split the spoils this time as they plan to do.

      • Captain Canuck

        Drakken , where can I find information about the situation in Bosnia ? Wherever you have muslims , you have problems . Anyone who would say otherwise really hasn’t been paying attention .. It’s sad that many innocent muslim people in the end will wind up suffering because they can’t control their radical elements ( nor do they really try) . Europeans have been the masters of the world for the last 500 hundred years and I can guarantee that they soon will remember who they are and muslims will realize what a mistake it was to poke that hornets nest …

    • defcon 4

      THe US government is corrupt, maybe beyond repair.

    • Zachary Lucido

      That sounds verbatim like how I’d imagine a terrorist would rationalize violence. Can you try to sound less…. violent?

      • Drakken

        Sure Sparky, anything as to not hurt those poor precious feelings of yours, maybe your mommy will get you a cookie and tell you how special you are again.

        • Zachary Lucido

          Oh, my feelings aren’t hurt. I’m just disgusted with the hypocrisy of that call to action.^

          • danapointdad

            you got kids Zachary? I am betting not.

          • Zachary Lucido

            Not yet. I don’t think we want the same future for them if you agree with a genocide in really any capacity.

          • defcon 4

            Dear ‘tard, there are no less than three authentic islamic hadith that call for the worldwide extermination of Jews. Please FOAD.

          • danapointdad

            get back to me when you have children… mine were 1 and 2 when the attack on the twin towers happened… changed my outlook entirely… these “radicals” would cheerfully chop my kids’ heads off if given the chance… I prefer they die.

          • Zachary Lucido

            Because as a gay male, I know nothing about being wanted dead, especially in the middle east. Which radicals are you talking about exactly? The one I hear promoting thought policing, and who wants to end freedom of religion, is you.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Are you disgusted by the “call to action” by al qada, salafists, wahabbis, islamofascism in general?

          • Zachary Lucido

            I only know what Al Quada is, and I think islamafascism, but yes those 2 do disgust me. So does a lot of the Old Testament though.

          • Drakken

            Well boy, you go ahead and sit there like a good little leftard and be slaughtered, the rest of us won’t.

          • Zachary Lucido

            Do you know that your derision actually erodes my respect for you? It’s saddening.

          • Drakken

            What is sad, is that your so bloody ignorant of the world around you that I am surprised you can tie your shoe laces without help.

      • danapointdad

        the difference is we want to kill them because they want to kill us…

        if they didn’t want to kill us, there would be no problem… we have no desire to eliminate them or dominate them.

        can that be any more clearly worded for you there Zach?

        • Zachary Lucido

          I’m sure the terrorists find our culture threatening. Can you show that Muslims are in general violent as opposed to Christians, historically? If you want to commit genecide, I’m going to want you to prove your case.

          • defcon 4

            If “our culture” is threatening Mahmoud Al Molestor they can bloody well f$#k off back to their islam0nazi pigsties and take you along with them.

      • defcon 4

        It’s called self-defense. Self defense against the raving muslimes who have been slaughtering and persecuting people of other faiths practically since muhammad molested his first little girl.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        zachary lucido is a perfect example of the incongruous Red/Green Fascist Axis.

        How “progressives” can ally themselves with regressive islamofascists needs to be studied.

        The only benefit I see is that both sides have a shared hatred of their common enemy.

        • Drakken

          I am perfectly good with the muslims slaughtering little Zachery and his leftarded ilk. Good riddance.

      • Drakken

        Just make sure you put that COEXIST sticker on your prius and keep wishing upon those unicorns and rainbows, and everything will be allllllll better.

  • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

    Related Newsflash: Tony Blair says “religious extremism has become the biggest source of conflict around the world. Referring to wars and violent confrontations from Syria to Nigeria and the Philippines.” But he won’t name the religion!
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/25/extremist-religion-wars-tony-blair

    • Morgan Michaels

      What religion could that be?

      He probably means UKIP or the EDL, the real causes of terrorism worldwide. Cameron would agree.

  • Simona

    Can someone remind me what is the word they use for these people?
    is it fucktard?
    I never can remember.

    • Drakken

      As you can see, over 1,300 years of inbreeding certainly has its limits.

  • Dead Kennedy

    So glad society was able to help you get to your destination… I do hope we help a great many more.

  • Jools Ferguson

    I get the distinct that the muzzie paradise is off limits to females. The only mention of muzzie paradise is in relation to how many virgins male martyrs will be given when they get there!

    • Drakken

      That darn fine print!

    • Morgan Michaels

      Bukhari (6:301) Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301:

      Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

      Once Allah’s Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o ‘Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, “O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women).” They asked, “Why is it so, O Allah’s Apostle ?” He replied, “You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.” The women asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?” He said, “Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?” They replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?” The women replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her religion.”

  • Rob

    I understand that her father is a Lebanese Muslim, and her mother a Christian woman, originally from New Zealand. Their children were raised as Muslims (of course) but the parents enrolled their daughters in an Anglican Private school, because, apparently, they wanted their daughters’ to get a good education.’ Why? Surely the sole duties of a Muslim female are to marry early, obey her husband, and breed lots of soldiers of Allah. And why do Christian women marry Muslim men in the first place? Are there really that many naïve and stupid women out there? And why do Christian schools who (in Australia at least) are allowed to permit only Christian children to enrol, allow entry to Muslim students? Are those running the private schools really so stupid as to think they might manage to convert a few Muslims? Good luck with that! It costs a lot of money to send your child to a private school, certainly in this country. Surely the parents should be entitled to assume that the other students are at least Christian, even if they are not Anglican? Au contraire, it seem Christian schools in Australia are deliberately enrolling students whose faith teaches them to hate and despise Christians. Are the parents of the other girls made aware of this? The implications of all this are frightening.

  • Nelu Roman

    You Muslims are not able to produce even toilet paper by your means. You have to import it from Christian states. Without your natural resources, namely oil, a normal Muslim family were be composed of a man, four wives, twenty children, a tent and two camels. And that not because you, as human beings, would be more stupid than other people all around the world, but because of your stupid religion. The entire history of Islam is rife with blood, most time, interfaith blood. Even the early Muslims- I don’t speak here of ordinary Muslims, but of those Muslims you consider as sinless – fought each other ( see Ali against Aisha). But you still consider each one of them as sinless. Is that logical? You start any discuss on religion with the word “peace be on Prophet Muhammad, his family, his companions. This is sheer hypocrisy as you massacred Muhammad’s family, and three out of his four closet companions were also assassinated by other Muslims. And this was just the starting point, as since then Shia Muslims and Sunnis Muslims have been killing each other impudently. Allaahu Akbar is the antithesis of any God definition and grace to Internet, millions and millions of Muslims have found out in the last decade what their religion really is. If were not for the fear of being murdered for apostasy, many, many Muslims would give up their faith, bringing Islam on the margin of extinction.

  • wreed22

    Just to be careful: Everyone should be on the lookout for Unitarian suicide bombers, Presbyterians highjackers, Lutheran violent holy men, Baptist snipers and, well you know………where are the moderate Quakers?

  • bill

    How do we deal with a human predator who, when she looks down the barrel of your gun, sees paradise?

    • Notalibfool

      Just pull the trigger.

  • LibertarianToo

    Thank you Horatio Alger. Yes, since we get most of our imported oil from Canada, followed by Mexico, there really is no reason for us to deal with the land of Muslim at all. I guess they just exist to decrease the surplus population.

  • Nelu Roman

    I am not on any mission here, so if someone loses or not his/her faith it is of not concern for me. My post is a simple discuss and nothing more. You urge me to not quote misdoings committed by individuals because they don’t represent Islam. Are you sure? “I came in the shadow of sword” said your Prophet. He was absolutely right. When he used just words, during his Mecca ministry, the only people whom he convinced of the truth of his faith were from his own family. and a few friends. Everything changed when, during Medina period, he started converting people by sword. To be more convincing he made legal plundering people if they don’t convert to Islam and even made Allah a partner in this robbery: “20% of the bounty is for Allah and his messenger,” So, the poor guy who used to convert people by words in Mecca, became a successful prophet, a rich man, an owner of slaves only when he started converting people by sword, in Medina. What about freedom of speech at that time, forget it. Many poets and poetess, a kind of journalists of that time, paid the supreme price for being critical of the Prophet, and even the Prophet urged his companions to kill them.. And as your Prophet is still a model of behavior and many Muslims try to emulate him in everything what he did, many of the misdoings, you refer to, have tight connection to the practices and the teachings of Islam. My point here is that Islam started by sword and within the first century of its inception, Middle East, Persia, East India and Spain were conquered by Muslim armies. That was possible because of Mohammad very shrewd words: ” If you die fighting for Islam you enter the paradise where 72 pearl virgins are waiting for you; if you survive, Allah will give you huge war bounty, including slaves, women and children. These words made Muslims soldiers fearless and in this way very successful in wars. This mentality is still used today in Islam by terrorists who blow themselves up in the hope they will enter the paradise. The expansion of Islam continued for centuries until, because a better weaponry of Christian world- science and technology penetrating Christian world made possible this thing- Christian armies, in the centuries 15 and 17 put a halt to this expansion.
    Of course, Christian world has witnessed along the centuries many massacres, murders and wars, but this fact doesn’t excuse in any way the massacres, crimes, murders committed by Muslims, does It ? There is however a domain where Muslims are clearly champions, interfaith war. Sunnis versus Shia interfaith war is unmatched by anything in human history. Putting away the classic example of Syria, the hell like fate of Hazara ( a Muslim populace in Pakistan) is a clear example of contemporary massacre. So, if you speak of “the current genocide of Muslims” think about this two example before blaming non-Muslims for your fate.
    What about Qur’an hate verses, here are some examples:
    Do not take Christians and Jews as friends (Sura 5 verse 51
    “Kill the infidels” (2:191)
    “Kill them wherever you overtake them”
    “Fight those who disbelieve”(8:15)
    “Fight the infidels” (8:39)
    “Allah sends his troops to fight disbelievers” (9:26)
    “Disbelievers are enemies of Allah and Muslims (60:1)
    And the list of such peaceful verses is not limited to this verses only, it is still longer.
    What about apostasy, please consider this verse from Qur’an: “Kill those who commit apostasy” (4:89)
    Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali, I gave you examples using Islamic sources (Qur’an and Hadith) and Islamic realities, Pakistan (Hazara people) and Syria (Sunnis versus Shia interfaith war). I didn’t invented anything, everything what I said can be proved by credible sources, Prove me wrong if you can, but don’t call me a bigot if you cannot. And I remind you that my post is merely a discuss and it is up on anyone to agree or not with what I said. If you want to go further and come with arguments contradicting me, fine; if you don’t, I am fine with this too.

    • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

      Nelu, you claim “I gave you examples using Islamic sources (Qur’an and Hadith)” and in comment you pick and choose few words from the entire sentence forget about the context of each sentence and the historical fact of why this line are their in Quraan, if you are sincere you should have quoted the entire sentence, its meaning, its tafsir (exegesis), historical context, if it is abrogated, is there any similar or better verses to it, etc. Hence, i have been telling all you uneducated people of Islam to learn it from the Scholars or do a good research before you talk or write about any topic of Islam. When i see this kind of comment, i have to pity on you and your knowledge…anyway, hence we call you as Jahils (ignorants), and the only cure for any kind of ignorance is knowledge. So for now, do me a favour write the complete sentence at least for the line you quoted from Quraan…i trust your intention, but not your pick and choose habit and quoting out of context comments…i hope this is fair to you…so paste the verses from Quraan for the following…2:191, 8:15, 8:39, 9:26, 60:1, feel free to add other verses to too which you think good for your case to misinterpret Islam

      • Nelu Roman

        I don’t think that it is upon me to prove anything about Islam. If you do believe that those verses, I quoted from, are taken out of the context and must be understood only if some Islamic scholar explain them to me, it would be upon you to prove it, not upon me. But my friend, if this is the case, other challenges will arise for you as well as. You should explain then how is that the Qur’an, which, according to its own verses “is easy to understand and follow,” still needs an “expert” to explain its teachings. How is that a book that is supposed to be the first thing created by God (Allah), a book for all times, all people from around the world refers to only a Prophet, a specific region and at a specific time.The rest of prophets, regions times are only referred at but not part of the action in Qur’an . How is that an omniscient God needs abrogation in delivering his message. Didn’t he know from first which verses are good and which verses are not good? And how is this that if the Qur’an is an urge for peace and if the chronology is to be considered, then the “peaceful verses” – Mecca period- are abrogated by late “warrior verses” – Medina Period- and not vice-versa.
        But the capital question here is this: How is this that so many Muslims misinterpret the Qur’an and understand Qur’anic verses as I understand: one word one meaning; and not as you try to make us to believe: one word, many meanings plus the historical context of the verse. May be your Islam is fine in rapport of human rights, but the problem here is: is this the Islam as revealed from your books? Is this the Islam as perceived by the big masses of Muslims? If it is need a scholar for each Muslim or non-Muslim to make him/her understand the true meaning of Qur’anic verses, well…..then it is little probable that such a strategy will ever work.

        • Abdur Razzaq bin Mohamed Ali

          Nelu, too many topics and this means we have to again go back and discuss, share and refute each other, which will take us no where. I saw this news in google news and was directed to this frontpagemag article, however when i came here and saw that 100% of non-muslim are talking about Islam, which they are either ignorant (i assume this to be the max), some bigots comments (which i categorise them as hypocrites), some really flustrated humans who had a fight with their loved ones and they started commenting and takign their anger out in this forum (this for a pun i am assuming). Second of all those you wrote above, the one line which most interested me to quote here is this “May be your Islam is fine in rapport of human rights”, i beg to differ here on this as this is the same reason why Daniel Greenfield wrote this article, of inhuman Islam and the (evil) Prophet Mohamed peace be upon him, if you even give a slight inclination to even suggesting that Islam has 1% of human value, then this conversation is over for me here, we are done here. The rest of the argument of when Allaah say i have given a book and its easy to understand is for people of Tawheed (people who believe in ONLY 1 god, Worship only 1 God, Preserve and believe in his names and attribute and does not give this names and attribute to other God). For them it is easy to understand. You are absolutely right that Muslim who read the same Quraan differ in their understanding, this is called as Ijtihaad, but this difference is not in Tawheed, but minor ruling which you have to again do some scholarly research. All other topic is will skip to reply as this as similar in line with you deficient knowledge in Islam for various rulings. However, since i asked you to list the complete sentence, which you refused to do and started diverting this topic to something else, let me list the complete line and the tafsir (exegesis)….Bislimillah (In the name of Allaah)….

          Chapter 2 Verses 190 to 194

          [002.190] And fight in the way of Allâh those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors. [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihâd, but it was supplemented by another (V.9:36)].

          [002.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid Al-Harâm (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

          [002.192] But if they cease, then Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

          [002.193] And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists and wrong doers)

          [002.194] The sacred month is for the sacred month, and for the prohibited things, there is the Law of Equality (Qisâs). Then whoever transgresses the prohibition against you, you transgress likewise against him. And fear Allâh, and know that Allâh is with Al-Muttaqûn (the pious. See V.2:2).

          [002.195] And spend in the Cause of Allâh (i.e. Jihâd of all kinds) and do not throw yourselves into destruction (by not spending your wealth in the Cause of Allâh), and do good. Truly, Allâh loves Al-Muhsinûn (the good-doers).

          Tafsir can be read here…
          http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=236#1

          Chapter 8 verse 15
          [008:015] O you who believe! When you meet those who disbelieve, in a battlefield, never turn your backs to them.

          Tafsir can be read here…
          http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1560&Itemid=63#1

          Chapter 8 verse 39
          [008:039] And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh), and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do.

          Tafsir can be read here…
          http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1545&Itemid=63#1

          Chapter 9 verse 26
          [009:026] Then Allâh did send down His Sakînah (calmness, tranquillity and reassurance) on the Messenger (Muhammad [sal-Allâhu 'alayhi wa sallam]), and on the believers, and sent down forces (angels) which you saw not, and punished the disbelievers. Such is the recompense of disbelievers.

          Tafsir can be read here…
          http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2571&Itemid=64#1

          Chapter 60 Verse 1
          [060:001] O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies (i.e. disbelievers and polytheists) as friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the truth (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism, this Qur’ân, and Muhammad [sal-Allâhu 'alayhi wa sallam]), and have driven out the Messenger (Muhammad [sal-Allâhu 'alayhi wa sallam]) and yourselves (from your homeland) because you believe in Allâh, your Lord! If you have come forth to strive in My Cause and to seek My Good Pleasure, (then take not these disbelievers and polytheists, as your friends). You show friendship to them in secret, while I am All-Aware of what you conceal and what you reveal. And whosoever of you (Muslims) does that, then indeed he has gone (far) astray from the Straight Path.

          Tafsir can be read here…
          http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1541&Itemid=116#1

          Allaahu Akbar (Which means Allaah is great), Subhan-Allaah (means Glory to Allaah)…i hope i have done justice to quote the complete verses and also the Tafsir, so that the reader of this article can read the difference of how i quote a line from a book and how you pick and choose out of context. This my dear friend is the difference of education of a Muslim and a Non-Muslim, no matter even if invent tomorrow the biggest invention, who will never be able to prepare yourself to face Allaah, unless you be true to your research and debate with wisdom and justice to the word of Allaah.

          I should have left commenting on this article with my last comment, but i had to reply to you, and this my dear friend was the qadr (destiny).

          Take Care.

  • James

    Once she reaches “Jannat” she will be offered to some male mertyre as one of the 72 virgins to enjoy.

  • James

    Islam is natures tool of weeding out rubbish from human race.