It’s Time to Kick ISIS Members Out of America

isis-flag-AFPEvery week brings new reports of Muslims in America flocking to join ISIS. Those who aren’t killed in battle will eventually return to New York, to Los Angeles and to Minneapolis–Saint Paul.

And they will stop being Iraq’s problem and become our problem.

ISIS is more than just another terrorist group. It is now an Islamic State. Its followers and allied militias pledge to obey the Caliph of ISIS and reject all allegiances to other states and entities. Western ISIS recruits burn their passports to show that they are no longer citizens of those countries.

Like most Salafists, ISIS members see our system of law and government as idolatry and heresy. Fort Hood Jihadist Nidal Hasan, who recently applied to join ISIS, had earlier written that he would “renounce any oaths of allegiances that require me to support/defend any man made constitution (like the Constitution of the United States) over the commandments mandated in Islam.”

“I therefore formally renounce my oath of office as well as any other implicit or explicit oaths I have made in the past … This includes my oath of U.S. citizenship,” Hasan declared.

By his own admission, Nidal Hasan is no longer a United States citizen. He should be promptly denaturalized. So should every ISIS member and anyone who supports the Islamic State.

The oath of citizenship that Hasan was retroactively rejecting states, “I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen.”

ISIS members have pledged their allegiance to a foreign prince and a foreign state. Denaturalizing them should be a mere formality.

Anwar Al-Awlaki, Hasan’s mentor, whose American citizenship became such an issue for the left when he was killed in a drone strike, was clear in his lectures that he was at war with America, that “Muslims in the West should see their stay there as temporary” before leaving to build an Islamic State in the Middle East and that Muslims shouldn’t even vote in America because they would be participating in “a disbelieving system, in a disbelieving country.”

Like Hasan, he did not consider himself an American in any way, shape or form.

In the past the United States had denaturalized Nazis and Communists and even specifically targeted foreign agitators linked to the Nazis and Communists, denaturalized them and then deported them.

Recently Obama Inc. found the time to have two former Guatemalan soldiers accused of committing atrocities against a village linked to Communist guerrillas in the so-called Dos Erres massacre back in the 1980s stripped of their citizenship.

Other denaturalization targets under his administration included two Serbians, an Ethiopian Marxist who took part in the 70s Red Terror and a woman involved in the Rwandan genocide.

None of the denaturalized were Muslim terrorists posing a current national security threat. And yet if we are to have a strategy against ISIS, denaturalizing its members will accomplish more than air strikes.

The modern Jihadist threat had at its core a group of fighters who trained and fought in Afghanistan during and after the Soviet invasion. These fighters went on to lead terrorist groups and stage attacks. But the battlefields of the Arab Spring will produce a new wave of threats on an unprecedented scale. Muslims in the West, especially converts to Islam, who have gone to join ISIS will return with training, battlefield experience and a plan. It’s far more urgent to keep them out than to deport war criminals.

A serious ISIS strategy has to address not the flow of fighters from the United States, as Obama has proposed to do, but the flow of fighters coming into the United States. If ISIS members want to travel to fight in Iraq and Syria, they should be allowed to do so.

By joining the Islamic State, they have disavowed their allegiance to the United States. Their citizenship is now only a passport of convenience that they will burn as soon as they make their way into Syria.

It’s far more important to keep them from coming back than to keep them from leaving.

If the United States can denaturalize foreign soldiers for being part of units linked to war crimes, as it has under Obama, it has the obligation to pursue the denaturalization of anyone who chooses to affiliate with an organization such as ISIS which has committed undeniable war crimes. While the legal grounds for denaturalization won’t be the same since some of those being denaturalized did not have terrorist histories and may have even been born in the United States, the policy basis is clear.

Despite the various dubious Supreme Court attempts to strike down the denaturalization power of Congress, there are still clear standards for denaturalization. Joseph Lieberman and Scott Brown introduced the Terrorist Expatriation Act back in 2010 which would have added providing material support to terrorists as a basis for denaturalization leading to hysterical reactions on the left and the right. But such an explicit addition isn’t strictly necessary; particularly in the case of the Islamic State.

Under the Immigration and Naturalization Act anyone voluntarily “committing any act of treason”, bearing arms against the United States or plotting to conquer it will lose his citizenship. While establishing this has proven tricky in the past due to the preponderance of evidence standard, ISIS represents a clear case because its fighters travel voluntarily from the United States for that purpose and because the Islamic State’s creed explicitly repudiates citizenship in anything but the new Caliphate.

It is clearly apparent that any American citizen joining ISIS intends to abandon his citizenship. He is not only serving in a foreign army, but he is joining an organization whose very reason for existence is precluded on a rejection of states and manmade documents such as the United States Constitution.

Furthermore if Obama were to admit that the United States is at war with ISIS, its fighters would also be guilty of bearing arms against the United States. However even without this admission, ISIS has made sufficient threats and has now murdered two Americans. There is no serious doubt that we are at war.

Unlike the Taliban, some of whose American members argued that they had not originally been in conflict with the United States, ISIS originated in conflict with the United States and its creed explicitly calls for the perpetuation of conflict not only with the United States, but with the rest of the world.

The Islamic State’s founding declaration urged all the Muslims of the world to gather to it, “So rush O Muslims and gather around your Caliphate, so that you may return as you once were for ages, kings of the earth and knights of war… By Allah, if you disbelieve in democracy, secularism, nationalism, as well as all the other garbage and ideas from the west, and rush to your religion and creed, then by Allah, you will own the earth, and the east and west will submit to you.”

The Muslim fighters rushing to join ISIS hoping to be its “kings of the earth” and “knights of war” and to force the east and west to submit to it are at war with the United States. They have given their allegiance to a foreign power that promises them that they will rule over Americans.

Both attacks on the World Trade Center were carried out by terrorists who should not have been allowed into the United States. It’s time we learned the lessons of those attacks.

ISIS members and supporters like Nidal Hasan are eager to abandon their American citizenship. It’s our own government that is standing in the way.

It’s useless to bomb ISIS fighters in Iraq and Syria, if we let them march through our airports.

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  • UCSPanther

    It should be “join a foreign outlaw terror group, lose your citizenship”.

    Letting these killers come home will bite us in the rear…

  • truebearing

    Absolutely right. Islam is a transnationalist theocracy that demands total loyalty, upon pain of death for apostates. That alone should be grounds to deport Muslims. ISIS has declared that it is a state and is at war with America. They are enemies of America by any definition. They should be summarily thrown out of the country as a matter of national security…but that makes too much sense for Obama and the Left. Throwing America’s enemies out of the country hits too close to home for the Left.

    The Left’s predictable opposition to deporting Muslim enemies will be the sole reason ISIS members won’t be deported. The Left is an enemy to the United States, too. They don’t want people to become too aware of the options for dealing with revolutionaries and enemies of America. We have a constitutional republic that they have been working to destroy for decades. Their ideology is their religion, and like Islam, it is transnational, therefore automatically an existential threat to our republic. Their religion has identical goals to those of ISIS…only they are sneakier.

    How can this nation defend itself when the Left holds open the borders and enables our most dangerous enemies? This aiding and abetting of America’s enemies by America’s domestic enemy should be the biggest election issue this year and in 2016.

    • camp7

      “The Left’s predictable opposition to deporting Muslim enemies will be the sole reason ISIS members won’t be deported.”…

      “How can this nation defend itself when the Left holds open the borders and enables our most dangerous enemies to enter at will?”

      “In spite the strive to plant good seed, weeds will grow against them.” Planting and weeding is what responsible people do. We’ve got a long season ahead of us. Right now, Greenfield is planting good seeds of wisdom – weeds are growing in our garden.

      I have a very precision (bolt) ‘weeder’, but I’m thinking of upgrading to a KAC M110. For the sake of the ‘seedlings’…. in way of the weed.

      (Gardening gets more expensive every year!)

    • kasandra

      My Representative is Chris Van Hollen (D., MD). Weeks ago I sent his office an e-mail suggesting that he introduce legislation under which anyone who went to join with any group on the State Department’s list of terrorist organizations would automatically forfeit their passport and be denied re-entry to the U.S. Except for an e-mail acknowledgement they received the e-mail, I never even got a reply, form or otherwise. I think there is a serious lack of interest in protecting the U.S. from its enemies on the left. After all, we deserve their enmity.

      • truebearing

        “After all, we deserve their enmity.”

        Exactly. And that is proof of their hostile intentions for this country. ISIS is full-blown, in-your-face, unapologetic evil. Anyone, even a leftist can see that, though it pains them to admit it, and their equivalency maker breaks down when they try to come up with a rationalization for ISIS.

        The Left is just as hostile as the Muslims are to the existence of Christianity, Judaism, constitutional republics, and capitalism, but they are specialists at subterranean destruction. They undermine where ISIS is open barbarism. Both are hostile to our nation, and it is time we start firing back on their War on America, their War on White Men, and all of their enabling of America’s enemies.

      • Pete

        There is a ranking system if constituent contacts.

        From least to greatest is:
        Telephone call
        email
        snail mail
        Townhall meeting attendance.

        The is an actual point system that some Congressional staff use formally or informally.

        This is not to say that telephone calls or emails are not important. If we burn up the phone lines they eventually listen. they did in 2007 over amnesty. But politicians are moribund beasts.

        • Pete

          moribund:

          - no longer active or effective : close to failure
          - very sick : close to death

          MORIBUND
          1: being in the state of dying : approaching death

          2: being in a state of inactivity or obsolescence

        • kasandra

          Thanks for the tip. I’ll have to try a snail mail letter.

      • Pete

        I am not finding reference to a formal or informal point system.

        I did find this but it is not quite to the point.

        congressmerge.com/onlinedb/communicating.htm

        I remember being told about the system. We were told that we could not write to Congress Critters as service members. But we were also told that our spouse relatives or friends could write. Basically, they told us there was more than one way to skin a cat.

      • NJK

        Then lets hope that the next attack makes a bulls eye for the Capital with people like Van Hollen in it. They will learn when they are affected by what they do. They think they’re invincible, that it will never touch them. I’m tired of innocent people suffering for their criminal negligence.

      • In Defense of the Church

        FEAR… he is cowed by the idea that his head would roll down if he does so.

      • Rosasolis

        Please read my letter which I wrote earlier today,
        sept. 6.
        It will appear after several others from very worried Americans.
        and several Europeans! If you are able to get my letter,
        you will see that we will have to support each other in
        North-america and Europe

    • Ivan

      I think that’s the key. The left doesn’t want people to know that deportation is an option. That’s brilliant. that’s a deep fear that they have. God, we have a place to deport them to now: the Islamic state.

  • mollysdad

    Phil “Duck Dynasty” Roberston told Sean Hannity that ISIS should be converted to Christianity or killed. I agree with him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joYbJ7pS9rc

    • Tabitha Bliss

      Our founders were brilliant men,who birthed this great nation precisely because they felt this way about the savages of their time. It’s about our own survival.
      Leftists that say otherwise have a death wish & put the entire civilized world in danger..

    • camp7

      Great interview.

    • bademoxy

      the bible or any other religious script is a poor source for scientific reasoned fact , although phil does fight fire with fire “convert or kill” which is how islam spread into christian, jewish, zoroastrian,braman and buddhist lands.

  • Yehuda Levi

    It is unfortunate that plain common sense like this has little chance of getting past irrational leftists. They don’t think common sense – they only think victimology.

    It is irrational to believe that simply because someone is weaker than another,or a group is weaker than another group, that they automatically occupy the moral high ground. They don’t.

    The moral high ground is occupied by those who act morally, not by the color of their skin, their gender, or their lack of power. Only an ethical juvenile would believe that exterior features of a human being carry moral weight.

    • truebearing

      TheLeft champions minorities so they can create racial divide. The pit the weak, immoral, or dysfunctional against the strong and the moral. It is an intentional strategy to weaken the nation through racial division.

      Antonio Gramsci made the destruction of Judeo-Christian morality an imperitive for a successful Marxist revolution in the West, and that is exactly the template they are following.

  • KenoshaMarge

    This would all seem to be common sense. Yet there will be many who rush to defend the “rights” of Nidal Hasan, the “workplace violence” offender.

    A country that will not defend itself, that little more than a decade after a horrendous attack on our shores spends more time attacking “Islamophobes” than the miscreants cannot long survive.

  • sendtheclunkerbacktochicago

    We need to close down the sleeper cell at 1600 Penn Ave. We have a USURPER living there and running the show. He needs to be prosecuted for his forged birth certificate, he forged selective service registration and his E-Verified FLAGGED SS#, documents that enabled him to rise to power. It is more than likely that he was born in Kenya and that he is to say the least a DUAL CITIZEN which means he was never eligible to be POTUS. So Daniel when are you going to be writing about this scandal. Something needs to be done before this FOOL does something really, really bad. What say you??

    • RAM500

      Who put him there? Americans who may not be much smarter now than before.

    • phoebeintheforest

      In view of the fact that Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann, was enrolled in classes at the University of Washington, Seattle when Obama was only three weeks old, it would seem to imply that he was born in the Seattle area.(Back in 1961 only rich folks could fly all over the planet, and the Dunhams weren’t wealthy). The Dunhams had only just recently left the Seattle area for Hawaii, so there would have been friends who could’ve taken Stanley Ann in…or it could have been a home for unwed mothers.

      And yes, I know Seattle is in the USA.

      His citizenship status gets murky because there are times in his life where he appears to have taken on Indonesian citizenship. He was supposedly adopted by an Indonesian man. Obama attended Indonesian schools that only allowed Indonesian citizens. Obama was also able to travel to Pakistan at a time when US citizens could not. So that begs the question: Did Obama ever have an Indonesian passport? And if so, does that negate his American citizenship?

      Why are his academic records sealed? Could one of the reasons be that he entered American universities as a foreign exchange student?

      Why didn’t Obama register for the draft at age 18? Could it be that he thought/knew he was an Indonesian citizen?

      Why were all his college roommates, not only foreigners, but foreigners from third-world Muslim nations? Could it be that the college Housing Office grouped them together so they would feel more comfortable?

      I know this seems like splitting hairs, but it is important for us so-called birthers to be as accurate as possible. By declaring that Obama was born in Kenya gives the Lefties (and even many on the right) reason to make us look ridiculous.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Wow…it appears all my posts are going on hold for no discernible reason all of a sudden.

    • Pete

      My boss once told me less is more. If you all your posts are long drawn out essays and are numerous they tend to kill the thread.

      Brevity is the soul of wit.

      • RAM500

        Yes

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Si

      • ObamaYoMoma

        You mean I should emulate you and compose posts that contain no substance, that are uninteresting, and that are boring just like yours? I don’t believe, but thanks anyway for the advice.

        • Pete

          I don’t always follow my own rule. I try. I get increased success by keeping it to 2 lines. I found this to be true in Yahoo forums.

          I hearken back to English class. Successful posting is like writing sentence in paragraphs. You want to use long and short sentences. Posts IMHO work in the same way. If you always post long you will not be read as often.

          Mix it up.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Think HEADLINE.

          • Pete

            Some times if you want to support your assertions you need facts. you need details.

            You can bullet point them or write paragraph.

            From that standpoint Is Obama YoMoma’s point.

            Thing is he always writes long paragraphs. Like Piketty’s books most his most go unread IMHO.

            The Summer’s Most Unread Book Is…
            http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-summers-most-unread-book-is-1404417569

          • Pete

            I agree think headline, but like I said at time you need to support your posts or assertions with supporting facts,
            details.

            If the forum becomes hot or people become intellectually lazy, it is possible for it just to boil down to sloganeering.

            Sloganeering is important.

            But if it is the end all be all, then we are lost.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Those who aren’t killed in battle will eventually return to New York, to Los Angeles and to Minneapolis–Saint Paul.

    And they will stop being Iraq’s problem and become our problem.

    Nonsense. There is already an ongoing jihad right here in America and it is intentionally non-violent. Indeed, mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage is really stealth and deceptive jihad for the strategic purposes of mass Muslim infiltration of our society and for eventual demographic conquest that is non-violent by intention.

    Most people are totally oblivious of it, however, because of all this unhinged obsession with terrorism, which isn’t even an Islamic manifestation, but instead a very false analogy based on raw emotion.

    Thus, why would Muslims all of a sudden come into the country to start perpetrating violent jihad attacks in America and muck up their already ongoing very successful stealth and deceptive jihad? It doesn’t make sense. Apparently, Daniel must believe that most Muslim immigrants to America are so-called moderates and that jihadists are mental incompetents like GWB and Barack Obama.

    ISIS is more than just another terrorist group. It is now an Islamic State.

    And exactly like all Islamic totalitarian states, it’s destined to become another totalitarian basket case, and totalitarian basket case states hardly represent much of a threat to America or any other developed states.

    • http://southernrunner.blogspot.com loseyateefa

      The dualistic nature of Islam allows both the simultaneous “civilizational jihad” and the violence of ISIS. The 9/11 attacks actually did more damage to the spread of Islam by civilizational creeping sharia because it woke up many sleeping Americans to the actual threat Islam poses. But most have gone back to sleep or perhaps only saw 9/11 as the aberrant behavior of a few wackos that just happened to be Muslim. Neither side seems to care what the other does. And both sides prove the existence of duality in Islam. they can’t point the finger of condemnation toward the other right now, but when the ISIS gains enough power in a region, they will kill other “peaceful” Muslims because they see conquest as the will of Allah and if you aren’t “with” them, you’re against Allah and they have a sword or bullet for you. Another way to look at this duality is to view the ISIS group as having the insistence and urgency that the Islamic caliphate must be created NOW. The other group is willing to wait for its formation through gradual increase in Muslim population, changing of laws, creating Sharia zones, and being willing to wait for the Islamic state of the future.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        Wow to say that you have been highly influenced by Bill Warner is an understatement.

        when the ISIS gains enough power in a region, they will kill other “peaceful” Muslims

        Uhm…what other peaceful Muslims are you talking about? Because a peaceful Muslim, i.e., a so-called moderate Muslim, according to the tenets of Islam is an infidel, i.e., a blasphemous apostate, that has violated his/her total, complete, and unconditional “submission” to the “will of Allah”, (which in essence is Sharia), under the penalties of death for apostasy and death for blasphemy, which is the first and foremost prerequisite of Islam, and therefore must be executed in accordance with the dictates of Islam.

        Indeed, in Islam all Muslims are the slaves of Allah, and the ones that are not are summarily executed, as Islam far more than it is anything else, is a very draconian form of totalitarianism that seeks to make itself and its adherents supreme throughout the world, as opposed to being just a so-called religion. There can’t be some Muslims that are the slaves of Allah and other Muslims that are not, because in time no Muslims will be the slaves of Allah. Thus, all Muslims that openly refuse to be the slave of Allah are summarily executed per the dictates of Islam.

        As a matter of fact, practically all verses of the Koran that once made Islam a religion have all been abrogated by the latter issued infamous sword verses of the Koran they conflict with, according to the Doctrine of Abrogation. Hence, it is a stretch to even consider Islam to be a religion, since those earlier religious verses have all been abrogated and are no longer in force. Indeed, one could say that Islam is an extreme form of totalitarianism that masquerades as being a religion to dupe the very infidels it intends to subjugate into Islamic totalitarianism, i.e., into harsh and degrading dhimmitude.

        The Muslims that we have seen executed by the ISIS jihadists in Iraq so far have been the ones that have committed blasphemy by living side by side with Christian and Yazidi infidels in friendship, and Shi’as, which are infidels to the Sunnis that comprise ISIS.

        Another way to look at this duality is to view the ISIS group as having the insistence and urgency that the Islamic caliphate must be created NOW. The other group is willing to wait for its formation through gradual increase in Muslim population, changing of laws, creating Sharia zones, and being willing to wait for the Islamic state of the future.

        I don’t agree with that analogy, as I think all Muslims are cooperating in waging both violent and non-violent jihad, as they both serve their purposes. Indeed, it would be impossible for the Islamic totalitarian world to subjugate the infidel world via violent jihad, as relative to the infidel world militarily and financially they are a basket case. Not to mention, that in all the years since the 9/11 violent jihad attacks, we have only seen a few sporadic violent jihad attacks here and there in all those years. Meanwhile, we have millions of Muslim stealth jihadists living in our midst, yet relatively few have strayed off course to perpetrate attacks. That is illustrative of amazing discipline and focus.

        • Softly Bob

          I believe that the word ;peaceful’ was put in quotation marks because it was meant to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            And therefore my post is somehow in error?

          • Softly Bob

            No, it’s not and I generally agree with everything you write, but you come across as attacking people even when they’re on your side. We know that there is no such thing as peaceful Islam, nor is there such a thing as a moderate Muslim, but we have to call these people something.
            I prefer to call them pseudo-Muslims because a Muslim who is peaceful is not actually a Muslim, either that or he is lying, but because most people would not know what I was talking about if I used the term ‘pseudo-Muslim’ then I often find it easier to use incorrect terms myself such as ‘peaceful’ or ‘moderate’ and then stick the words in quotation marks to show that I am using the terms that the Left would use even though I don’t believe them myself. It’s just an easier way to write sometimes without getting too bogged down in detail and having to explain every word that you are using.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Sorry, my response went into that on hold black hole that is becoming more and more a pain in the behind every day and I got to get to work. By the way, I also had to change this post to get it to take it. Utterly absurd. Time to find some place else to post.

          • Softly Bob

            I don’t know why that is happening to you. You’re not using expletives are you? Although to be fair sometimes expletives get through straight away without having to be put on hold.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            No, it’s not and I generally agree with everything you write, but you come across as attacking people even when they’re on your side.

            I only respond in kind. So if someone attacks me, I retaliate in kind, and because you obviously don’t know the history of the posts of every person I respond to, you naturally perceive that I’m attacking people. I can assure you that I’m not attacking anyone in the post you reference.

            Now, on the other hand, if posters are blatant leftwing loons or Ron Paul Kooks saying something outrageous, then I will intentionally be sarcastic on purpose, because I already know beforehand they are unhinged loons.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            No, it’s not and I generally agree with everything you write, but you come across as attacking people even when they’re on your side.

            I only respond in kind. So if someone attacks me, I retaliate in kind, and because you obviously don’t know the history of the posts of every person I respond to, you naturally perceive that I’m attacking people. I can assure you that I’m not attacking anyone in the post you reference.

            Now, on the other hand, if posters are blatant leftwing loons or Ron Paul Kooks saying something outrageous, then I will intentionally be sarcastic on purpose, because I already know beforehand they are unhinged loons.

            We know that there is no such thing as peaceful Islam, nor is there such a thing as a moderate Muslim, but we have to call these people something.

            Where are such people, as all of them are executed upon discovery? Meanwhile, the ones that are silent are immaterial, as the people who lived in Hitler’s Germany and the Communist Soviet union who were also forced into silence and were also irrelevant.

            I prefer to call them pseudo-Muslims because a Muslim who is peaceful is not actually a Muslim

            They are not pseudo-Muslims, they are blasphemous apostates or in effect infidels who have violated their total, complete, and unconditional submission to the will of Allah under the penalties of death for apostasy and death for blasphemy. Nonetheless, those people are irrelevant since they are silent. Furthermore, for all intents and purposes those people appear to be devout Muslims, because to appear otherwise could bring about their own personal execution. Hence, where are you seeing them? The only so-called moderate Muslims I see are the ones recently executed by ISIS for blasphemy.

            I often find it easier to use incorrect terms myself such as ‘peaceful’ or ‘moderate’ and then stick the words in quotation marks

            That’s one of the biggest problems when describing the realities of Islam, as everyone is using political correct pseudo-terms to describe the anomalies in Muslim behavior when they don’t live up to the multicultural aspirations of the morons that subscribe to that nonsense.

            It’s just an easier way to write so metimes without getting too bogged down in detail and having to explain every word that you are using.

            It may be easier, which is a pretty lame excuse unless you are naturally a lazy person, and it also adds to all the already unnecessary confusion. So I urge you to always be accurate when describing the actions of Muslims and the tenets of Islam. Indeed, perhaps your proclivity to use incorrect terms when describing Muslims also leads to your incorrect perceptions of my posts.

            You wouldn’t believe the word that is banned by discus. It’s utterly absurd! They obviously have some morons running that site. Indeed, I had to substitute Hitler’s Germany for the word I was intending to use.

          • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

            Narcissistic trolls know that everyone is the enemy.

          • mikep1738

            I sometimes use the term “secular muslims” to describe muslims who are seemingly non-political or uninterested in Jihad of any sort. Do you consider that appropriate?

          • Softly Bob

            It’s appropriate because it’s self-explanatory.

    • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

      “Thus, why would Muslims all of a sudden come into the country to start perpetrating violent jihad attacks in America and muck up their already ongoing very successful stealth and deceptive jihad?”

      Because not all of them want a stealth and deceptive Jihad. They want to do it Mohammed’s way.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        I recommend you read the Sira, i.e., the biography of Muhammad, and also the history of the conquests of Christendom. You will learn that Muslims have always employed both violent and non-violent jihad.

        • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

          “You will learn that Muslims have always employed both violent and non-violent jihad.”

          The only one arguing with that premise is you.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Not really…there are a several others. But in stark contrast to you, I’ve studied the issue thoroughly, while you obviously have not.

          • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

            The only thing you’ve studied is trolling. And you aren’t good at that either.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            The only thing you are good at is misleading your readers with junk scholarship. You purport yourself to be well informed, but the reality is you are not nearly as informed as you think you are. Not only that, but you also have a strong propensity to react emotionally as opposed to rationally, which also explains the cause of a lot of your wrong analogies. In any event, someone has to keep you honest and on your toes and that’s what I’m here for.

          • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

            “someone has to keep you honest

            You should probably stop the constant lying then.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Demonstrating that you are wrong can hardly be regarded as lying.

          • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

            Repeatedly accusing me of not writing about immigration Jihad, as you do, is wrong and a lie.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Give me a break, if it isn’t terrorism then it gets very short shrift with you, as you are utterly obsessed with terrorism and primarily only terrorism, which is an idiotic misrepresentation of what jihad actually is and in which also leads to all kinds of moronic scapegoating and, of course, idiotic solutions.

            Like when GWB occupied two Islamic countries to do nation-building to lift up Muslims (who are our eternal mortal enemies) and to democratize the Islamic totalitarian world, (which is literally impossible), because in his view and the unhinged view of the State Department, “poverty and despair” are the “root causes” of terrorism.

            Meanwhile, his so-called “war on terror”, which is based on an incorrect analogy of jihad, inevitably turned into a disgrace from heck (because you can’t use the correct word) and two of the greatest strategic blunders ever in American history.

            Yet, establishment Republicans have been very successful at casting the blame for Iraq’s inevitable failure on Obama, which is okay by me since Obama is trying to destroy this country, but nonetheless those loons are just as ill-informed about Islam as the day 9/11 happened thanks to all this unhinged focus on terrorism and primarily only terrorism, radical Islam, radical Muslims, extremist Muslims, Muslim fundamentalists, Islamists, terrorists, more terrorists, and other absurd words created by PC multiculturalists to describe the aberrant behavior of Muslims, which isn’t in the least aberrant when you study the history of Islam and its institutions of jihad and dhimmitude.

            Of course, you probably consider me a radical extremist American and an Americanist because of my posts! Nevertheless, there is only one Islam because there can only be one Islam and that’s mainstream orthodox Islam and there is only one kind of adherent of mainstream orthodox Islam and that is mainstream orthodox Muslims. All other kinds of representations of Islam and Muslims are false political correct myths.

            Meanwhile, non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad via mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage gets very scarce coverage by you because you are absolutely fanatically obsessed with terrorism and primarily only terrorism. Indeed, according to the preponderance of your blog posts the only threat emanating from Islam is primarily terrorism, which also happens to be a very incorrect analogy of what violent jihad actually is.

            Indeed, you classify Muslims as being terrorists only because they murder innocent civilian infidels in cold-blood, and that is a very incorrect analogy based on raw emotion. Of course, demonizing Muslim jihadists as being terrorists has its purpose too since it is more offensive than just calling them jihadists alone. Calling Hamas jihadists as opposed to calling them terrorists just isn’t quite offensive enough.

            In any event, non-violent jihad relative to violent jihad that you always obsessively mischaracterize as being terrorism is an astronomically far greater threat for the infidel world at large relative to violent jihad, and also has the potential to do far greater damage to our societies.

            Not to mention that the focus needs to shift from chasing hydra-headed jihadists in the deserts of the Middle East that are always mischaracterized by you and so many others as being terrorists, to destroying the ideology that creates them, which is Islam and in which is not a religion at all, but a totalitarian ideology instead that should be banned and outlawed from the shores of America ASAP.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Unlike you, I don’t lie. Nevertheless, exactly why do you regard Muslims as being terrorists and Islam as being a religion?

  • Pete

    Former CIA Operative: There Are Islamic State Cells In The U.S., And They Have The Capability To Commit Terror Attacks

    warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2014/09/former-cia-operative-there-are-islamic.html

    I am so upset at the Democrat rank and file that take to internet forums to try to stop border enforcements among other things.

  • Pete

    A person who burns their passport subsequently wants to return to the U.S. for some reason. Not wanting to go to an American embassy and explain why their passport is gone, decide to come across the southern border.

    What should be done. This is a poser I give to our trolls such as William, Mr Unite Us and Americana.

    Off the cuff would you consider these people a potential threat?

  • RAM500

    Who in government now knows where ISIS personnel are in the US? Who now has a plan to keep new ISIS operatives from penetrating our southern border? All I hear from the top is bluster from Biden, absent-minded and contradictory rhetoric from Obama, and expressions of ignorance and bewilderment from Hagel.

  • putupjob

    yeah, really.
    you bomb them in Iraq / Syria and they’ll come back here.
    stop them at the border and arrest them as traitors.
    UK is reporting that jihadis want to come back.
    it’s awesome shooting, raping and blowing up stuff until the AF shows up.
    wait until those ISIS cretins meet up with SAS, CIA, MI5, MI6, Delta Force and SEALs. Won’t be the big rape, murder and loot party after that.

  • marlene

    you’re right Mr. Greenfield. but i said it first. haha just saying most of us know this and have asked the same questions and were waiting for you to come along and inform the rest of us. thanks. that’s why i subscribe to FPM.

  • Sara

    Obama’s first in line for denaturalization then.

  • oneteedoffpatriot

    Then who will the Republicans run against in November?

  • William James Ward

    The greatest terrorist threat to America is the Muslim in Chief.
    I am surprised that he is not exposed for allowing ISIS members
    sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom. ISIS membership is and
    automatic death sentence, they should be exterminated in
    Syria and Iraq and any other place they are found and that goes
    for any jihadist group. When these vile creatures start shooting
    up American Cities and Towns, the government will be guilty
    of the blood shed by the victims that will include husbands,
    wives and their children. It is becoming a kill or be killed
    situation and jihadists should receive no quarter, hanged
    publically to dissuade attraction to them by idiots in the
    general population. If the government will not protect us
    then it is morally necessary to protect our own, be prepared.
    William

  • freebird4533@yahoo.com

    First we need to get the muslim out of the white house who continually aids and abetts these terrorists. Get a clue – he is not on our side. Everything he does refinforces that fact.

  • MattBracken

    This essay should be printed and nailed to the doors of every senator and congress critter.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      It’s a natural followup to the Apology Tour of 2009.

    • truebearing

      How about nailing it to their foreheads? That way, when they look at themselves in the mirror, they can’t miss it.

    • In Defense of the Church

      Yeah, he’s a hidden Muslim

  • Texas Patriot

    DG: ISIS is more than just another terrorist group. It is now an Islamic State. Its followers and allied militias pledge to obey the Caliph of ISIS and reject all allegiances to other states and entities. Western ISIS recruits burn their passports to show that they are no longer citizens of those countries. Like most Salafists, ISIS members see our system of law and government as idolatry and heresy. Fort Hood Jihadist Nidal Hasan, who recently applied to join ISIS, had earlier written that he would “renounce any oaths of allegiances that require me to support/defend any man made constitution (like the Constitution of the United States) over the commandments mandated in Islam. … I therefore formally renounce my oath of office as well as any other implicit or explicit oaths I have made in the past … This includes my oath of U.S. citizenship,” Hasan declared. By his own admission, Nidal Hasan is no longer a United States citizen. He should be promptly denaturalized. So should every ISIS member and anyone who supports the Islamic State. The oath of citizenship that Hasan was retroactively rejecting states, “I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen.” ISIS members have pledged their allegiance to a foreign prince and a foreign state. Denaturalizing them should be a mere formality.

    A serious ISIS strategy has to address not the flow of fighters from the United States, as Obama has proposed to do, but the flow of fighters coming into the United States. If ISIS members want to travel to fight in Iraq and Syria, they should be allowed to do so. By joining the Islamic State, they have disavowed their allegiance to the United States. Their citizenship is now only a passport of convenience that they will burn as soon as they make their way into Syria. It’s far more important to keep them from coming back than to keep them from leaving.

    Absolutely correct. And not only that. For the same reasons, ISIS loyalists should be denaturalized and deported to the Islamic State from wherever they may be found in the civilized world, including without limitation from all of our NATO allies meeting today in Wales.

  • dixie68

    Nidal Hasan has denounced his allegiance to this country. Are taxpayers still paying his salary???

    • Pete

      If I were in the Army and in payroll (MOS 44A), I would pay him. After he is convicted, I would stop all future payments on exactly the day specified by the courts and not one day before or after.

      The problem is how long the trial is taking. That is political.

      The JAGs and other officers are looking to their colonels and generals. The generals are looking to Obama . You get the picture.

      This should have been over in 3 to 6 months.

      • dixie68

        I agree with you and thanks.

        • Pete

          I want to revise my remarks. We have been denaturalizing people as stated in Mt Greenfield’s essay.

          “Recently Obama Inc. found the time to have two former Guatemalan soldiers accused of committing atrocities against a village linked to Communist guerrillas in the so-called Dos Erres massacre back in the 1980s stripped of their citizenship.”

          Denaturalizing process may be able to go concurrently with court martial although some JAGs might say once we denaturalize him, the UCMJ is no longer applicable because of jurisdiction reasons. Hasan would then have to be tried for murder & terrorism in federal court.

          I guess you could go either way, so long as it is done with alacrity.

          I prefer the UCMJ so he could be hung as traitor and made an example.

    • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

      Yup

  • Pete

    Citizenship is state of mind.

    Maintaining someone’s citizenship when their have antithetical views to the public political culture is a disaster. It is no different than clasping an asp to your bosom.

    A person that asks you do clasp an asp, should be voted out of office, looked askance at and more.

    • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

      Or sent to a madhouse

  • johnlittle

    As ninety nine percent of the time, Mr. Greenfield, I am in agreement with you. ISIS and other Muslim jihadist fight us, as they fight others, for things we have. Important to the discussion here is the need distinguish between who fights and why they fight. Sub groups of jihadists are quick to turn on each other if the gain for them is to their material advantage. Note that who Muslims fight is based largely on their guess of whom they can have this advantage. Jihadists and other Muslim groups will not fight Jews, Christians, or any other group if they do not think they can defeat them. The action we must take to stop ISIS, et.al. is obvious–fight them.

    Now, Americans must understand what these jidhadist really want. They want to convert or kill “infidels” for the following:
    (1) flush toilets,
    (2) cars,
    (3) houses, and
    (4) loved onea.

    Americans, pause and go figure. JL SR.

  • Pete

    “So rush O Muslims and gather around your Caliphate, so that you may return as you once were for ages, kings of the earth and knights of war… By Allah, if you disbelieve in democracy, secularism, nationalism, as well as all the other garbage and ideas from the west, and rush to your religion and creed, then by Allah, you will own the earth, and the east and west will submit to you.”

    So we cannot discriminate based on creed?

    Are we supposed to be stupid?

    If we change the law and say we can discriminate on same creeds, we had better list them or the Left will use it against us.

    No matter how well the law is written, the Left will use it against us.

    The constitution is to be used as a SUICIDE PACT. So demandth the LEFT

  • http://ruleofreason.blogspot.com/ Edward Cline

    Good policy. Tell the ISIS lovers: You surrender your citizenship, fine. Remain citizens of the stateless ISIS. We don’t want you back. Goodbye.

  • Pete

    “It’s far more urgent to keep them out than to deport war criminals.”

    I agree.

    Tell Simon Wiesenthal. If the Simon Wiesenthal is to continue to exist, it should morph its’ mission. I have been saying this for the last several years.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Like Hasan, he did not consider himself an American in any way, shape or form.

    Uhm…this not only applies to Hasan and Al-Awlaki, who are being portrayed here as being Islamists, i.e., radicals and extremists, but it also applies to all Muslims, as all Muslims in the world are the slave of Allah or otherwise they are subject to execution for apostasy and blasphemy. Thus, what Daniel is describing here isn’t a form of radicalism or extremism, instead it’s a product of run of the mill mainstream orthodox Islam is what it is.

    Indeed, it should be common knowledge that Muslim immigrants all over the infidel world never ever migrate to assimilate and integrate into infidel society, since that would require them to morph into becoming infidels, and becoming infidels is a capital offense in Islam. Instead, they migrate here to thoroughly infiltrate our society and for eventual demographic conquest, or in other words, to eventually dominate and subjugate.

    But nevertheless beyond Muslims like Hasan and Awlaki, mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage should be banned and reversed, because beyond the reality that all Muslims are sympathizers of ISIS, they are also non-violent stealth and deceptive jihadists as well, intentionally waging jihad non-violently for the strategic purposes of mass Muslim infiltration and eventual demographic conquest. As all Muslims throughout the world strive for the same exact same thing, a world where Islam and its followers have been made supreme and where all infidels have been subjugated into Islamic totalitarianism, i.e., harsh and degrading dhimmitude.

    If a Muslim isn’t striving to make Islam and its followers supreme, well then that person is not a Muslim, but an infidel instead and that person must be executed per the dictates of Islam for blasphemy and apostasy.

    The modern Jihadist threat had at its core a group of fighters who trained and fought in Afghanistan during and after the Soviet invasion. These fighters went on to lead terrorist groups and stage attacks.

    Yeah right, by claiming the problem is a problem with terrorism, which traditionally only constitutes radicals and extremists, as opposed to jihad, which constitutes the entirety of Islamic society, we can continue to avoid destroying the real “root cause” of the problem, which is Islam, as it is the driving force behind jihad. Unless and until Islam is destroyed, there will always be jihad and jihadists. Especially since the sole fundamental purpose of mainstream orthodox Islam is the subjugation of all infidels and all religions into Islamic totalitarianism through both violent and non-violent jihad and the eventual imposition of Sharia to ultimately make Islam and its followers supreme.

    But the battlefields of the Arab Spring will produce a new wave of threats on an unprecedented scale. Muslims in the West, especially converts to Islam, who have gone to join ISIS will return with training, battlefield experience and a plan. It’s far more urgent to keep them out than to deport war criminals.

    So they will return to undermine what heretofore has been a very successful jihad waged in America and throughout the infidel world by intention non-violently and via stealth and deception. Yeah, your unhinged obsession with terrorism and only terrorism, even though jihad is not terrorism, obviously has caused you to blow a gasket I’m afraid Daniel. You sound almost as unhinged as GWB and Barack Obama.

    Why would Muslims risk sacrificing their intentionally non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad? When and where have they shot themselves in the foot that badly before? Damn…they are on the verge of taking over Europe, but according to Daniel here they are going to choke all of a sudden at the last minute? Yeah, I hope he is right, I don’t think Muslims are that stupid though, but I’m not obsessed with terrorism and only terrorism. If they do, it would it be a Godsend for the totally obsessed with only terrorism infidel world.

    By joining the Islamic State, they have disavowed their allegiance to the United States.

    No Muslim on the planet considers themselves a citizen of any infidel state. Heck, they don’t respect international borders, as nation states are an infidel man-made creation.

    Mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage should be banned and reversed ASAP because it is really non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad period. Indeed, zero Muslim living in America means zero violent and non-violent jihad in America. The practice of Islam should also be outlawed as well, because more than anything else it is a very draconian form of totalitarianism that seeks to make itself and its followers supreme, as opposed to being just a so-called religion, and also because it seeks to make itself and its followers supreme at the expense of all infidels. Thus, Islam and its adherents are completely incompatible with any and all infidels.

  • Pete

    “While establishing this has proven tricky in the past due to the preponderance of evidence standard, ISIS represents a clear case because its fighters travel voluntarily from the United States for that purpose and because the Islamic State’s creed explicitly repudiates citizenship in anything but the new Caliphate.”

    - If I were a Leftist lawyer, I would argue that ISIS did not commit atrocities or genocide. I would say it was all photoshopped for propaganda purposes. I would say such propaganda is freedom of speech and we must understand because Muslims have been so persecuted.
    - I would also argue my client had no knowledge of such atrocities even if they are true, which is doubtful, I would argue they are wildly exaggerated.
    - I would also argue that since many Mexican-American & others have dual citizenship and are not denaturalized that members pledging allegiance to ISIS should not be denaturalized. There should be equality before the law.

    The I would just argue until the Paulbots and the Left started creating a stink on the streets and in the press.

    I would take it all the way to the Supreme court and expect that Ruth Bader-Ginsburg would be favorably disposed to such arguments, since we must always look beyond the U.S. constitution to other countries.

    Ruth is the greatest!

    • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

      It worked for Taliban.

      • Pete

        I am not following your comment.

        • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

          Similar defense for Americans who joined AQ and the Taliban.

  • montana83

    True Story
    I knew a man who in 1939 packed up his family and his bags to join Hitler’s Wehrmacht. When the war was over he came back to the US. Of course in 1939 Germany was not at war with the US.

    • Vinegar Hill

      Did he put his family in suitcases if not what other method did he use? He returned in 1945 so what are you trying to say? W·hen was Germany at war with the US? What are you saying?

  • banjo kid

    I would not so sure they would burn their passports at all but use them to come back and bring their blood lust with them . If anything we need to ID them and keep them from coming back period .

  • In Defense of the Church

    When you say NOW, it should be NOW. Not later, not tomorrow. The IS are doing its best to cut your head day after day, not tomorrow.

    • Vinegar Hill

      The Saudis lead the world in head chopping….at the moment IS is number two.

      • Softly Bob

        Oh well that’s alright then. They are only number two on the list so let’s just ignore them then.

  • Joycey

    Excellent post…These Trojan Horsemen (and women) must NEVER be allowed to return except in prison chains and tried for treason.

  • steve b

    DON’T KICK THEM OUT – KILL EVERY ONE OF THEM.
    WHEN YOU HAVE COCKROACHES IN YOUR HOME DO YOU TRY TO KICK THEM OUT OR DO YOU JUST KILL THEM?
    FIND A DEEP SINKHOLE SOMEWHERE, SHOOT THEM IN THE HEAD AND DUMP THEM IN. OR JUST DUMP THEM IN IF THE HOLE IS DEEP ENOUGH AND LEAVE THEM TO DIE ON THEIR OWN.

    • Vinegar Hill

      Cockroaches don’t kill people……humans do. Your lack of concern for human life leaves a lot to be desired. You are potentially a danger to society.

      • steve b

        LOOK UP F%%KING MORON IN THE DICTIONARY AND YOU WILL FIND YOUR PICTURE THERE.

        HOW MANY PEOPLE’S HEADS DO THEY HAVE TO CUT OFF BEFORE YOU WILL RECOGNIZE THAT THESE ANIMALS DON’T DESERVE TO LIVE. MAYBE WE’LL SEE THEM CUTTING OFF YOUR HEAD ON TV NEXT – BUT IT WILL BE TOO LATE FOR YOU THEN, WON’T IT! AND THEY ARE NOT HUMAN – OTHER THAN IN FORM. TELL YOU WHAT, WHY DON’T YOU GO TO SYRIA AND LIVE WITH THEM, UNLESS YOU ALREADY ARE.

        • Vinegar Hill

          Last time I looked the country that ranks number one for head cutting is Saudi Arabia.

          • steve b

            HEY, MORON – SAUDI ARABIA IS NOT THREATENING TO KILL EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES, NOR BOASTING THAT THEY’LL PLANT THE ISIS FLAG ON THE WHITE HOUSE (NOT HARD TO DO SINCE ONE OF THEIRS IS THE PRESIDENT). I DON’T CARE HOW MANY SAUDI ARABIAN CITIZENS HAVE THEIR HEADS CUT OFF BY THE SAUDIS – WHAT A GOVERNMENT DOES TO ITS OWN PEOPLE WITHIN ITS OWN BORDERS IS NOT OUR BUSINESS!
            IF THE SAUDIS START CUTTING THE HEADS OFF OF AMERICANS, OR STERT THREATENING AMERICA, THEN WE SHOULD NUKE THEM, INCLUDING THEIR OIL FIELDS AND MECCA. WE HAVE ENOUGH OIL FOR OUR OWN USE HERE IN THE US FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS – IF THE MORONS IN WASHINGTON LET US DRILL FOR IT.
            WHY DON’T YOU GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF OBAMA’S REAR END AND EDUCATE YOURSELF.

  • knowshistory

    now maybe someone will explain the difference between ISIS (ISIL) (IS) (whatever), and ISLAM? the only difference I can discern is that ISIS is a bit more honest about its aims. should ISIS be punished more due to its honesty? I think not. don’t deport ISIS. deport ISLAM. all of them, home grown and imported. black and otherwise. “peaceful” and otherwise. all of them. there is no safe number of muslims in a country that wishes to become free.

    • Vinegar Hill

      Your comment is totally racist. You have an infantile approach to understanding the religion of Islam. You naively describe all of them as extremists. You have demonstrated your lack of understanding of their religion.

      • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

        Please educate us on the religion of peace then…

        • Vinegar Hill

          You have missed the point.

          • WhiteHunter

            You didn’t HAVE a point, except name-calling. Which is the only “argument” someone can make who doesn’t have a point.

          • Vinegar Hill

            The original poster claimed that all of “ISLAM” should be deported. They have tarred them all with the same brush and that demonstrates a lack of understanding of their religion. A point “you have missed”.

          • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

            So understand Islam for us.

          • knowshistory

            I did not “tar” islam. islam is fundamentally “tarred”, starting with its archcriminal “prophet”. Islam’s own holy scriptures “tar” islam with accounts of treachery, crime, murder, rape, and pedophilia, and perfect agreement with those criminal scriptures is daily demonstrated by the evil minions of islam, who commit horrible crimes in the name of their religion, islam. if there is a peaceful muslim somewhere, that mythical person would do well to demonstrate his peacefulness by rejecting the evil religion he claims to believe. if that good muslim cant reject the inherent evil of his religion, he too is evil. hence, they are all tarred, not by my brush, but by their own acquiescence to evil.

      • Softly Bob

        I think that honor is reserved for yourself.

      • knowshistory

        racist, you say. you really do not deserve a reply, but I will point out that islam is not a race. some of the most vile Islamic criminals are white. we are ruled by an islamist that is half-white. the black and brown representatives of the religion of pure evil are not to be outdone by their white co-conspirators, though. islam is an equal opportunity evil, and I promote equal opportunity expulsion of islam from any country that wishes to become or remain free from slavery and genocide.

    • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

      ISIS is pursuing the ends of Islam.

  • JDsHandsomeSon

    ISIS operatives, along with MS 13 and all other saboteurs, serve a purpose for the Obama administration and his allies in congress. We all know that we’re going to see a Mumbai type mall shooting, or other spectacular event, soon. The assailants, or “young men” as the media will call them, will have AK47s. We know what the narrative will be.

    The narrative will not be an attack by Muslim terrorists let into this country and neglected by our mammoth homeland security complex. The narrative will be the carnage created by our Second Amendment and the crying need for it to be neutered with drastic restrictions on the ability of Mid-Western and Southern white Christian males to own firearms. We will be told there is no time for debate or the normal processes of democracy, we have to act, all guns have to registered and confiscated, so that our kids and single mothers are no longer in peril from home grown right wing extremists who are more dangerous than Al Queda and ISIS.

    • knowshistory

      already been done, and it worked beautifully for the foreign enemies of our country and their allies, our domestic enemies in academia, media, and government. 1995, returned veteran tim mcvey blows up a government building, gets convicted on a tenth of the evidence and in a tenth of the time it took to fail to convict OJ, then “converted” to islam and went on to meet his 72 black eyed virgins. it never occurred to our traitorous media that maybe he did not need to convert due to already being a muslim. mcvey continues to be the isolated incidence of “right wing terrorism” that our media rails against, our leftist enemies constantly blather about, and our government builds maginot lines against, while the real threats go unrecognized and unresponded to. while our nation’s domestic enemies blather about imaginary evils, the unrestricted foreign invasion across our southern border and the unrestricted importation and coddling of foreign muslim invaders continues.

      • WhiteHunter

        Just for the record, McVey wasn’t particularly “right wing.” He bombed the Federal building in Oklahoma in retaliation for the Feds’ massacre of 80+ innocent men, women, children, and babies at Waco, which he personally witnessed as he watched the mass murder along with hundreds of other outraged citizens who were there during the siege and mass murder.

        After he admitted to it, he explained that he’d contemplated either bombing some Federal building, or assassinating Janet Reno, who personally ordered the massacre and afterwards took “full responsibility” for it, whatever that was supposed to mean, since she never suffered the slightest punishment or even inconvenience for her crime. Today, she still enjoys carefree jaunts, presumably to LGBT-friendly resorts, in her cute little red pickup.

        Unfortunately, McVey made the wrong choice and took out his rage on 162 equally innocent people in the Federal office building, instead of on the one who actually deserved it.

        • knowshistory

          not sure who you are arguing with. my mention of “right wing terrorism” was appropriately enclosed, indicating that it is questionable, although accepted as holy writ by the enemies of our population who infest media and government. the biggest difference between the mythical “right wing” and the very real left is that the right wing would like to get rid of the government, but does not commit atrocities to achieve that aim, while the left would like to make our government ever bigger and more evil, and no atrocity is too evil for them to commit. it is a matter of dedication, and no one is more dedicated than our nation’s enemies in media and government. on the other hand, we have made it so easy for them that their treason does not even require any courage. no leftist enemy of our country sees any possibility of punishment for his crimes.

  • Rosasolis

    This is now happening all over Europe. The esculation of Islamic problems,
    especially the recent Isis demonstrations (RIOTS!) in our largest cities,
    have forced our government (Netherlands) to take immediate action.
    This country whose centuries old Constitution is based on the Bible, states
    the Christian message of Goodwill to all People. And so Netherlands has always
    shown goodwill and toleration towards the growing Islamic communities throughout this country. But they have taken advantage of the help they have received
    during the last 25 years and have misused it. They have never been interested
    in being PART of this country, and contributing to her welfare; only in continuing their own Islamic way of life. They have developed their fanatic
    Islamization all over the UK and this country and have completely forgotten
    the countries (Gr. Brittain and Netherlands) who took them in as ” guest workers” from poor countries such as Marocco, Turkey, Tuinesia, etc. and provided them with jobs, housing, health care, etc. And even accepted their uneducated child-brides, which they brought back from their vacation in their
    homeland. These women are now mothers and grannies of very large families.
    Most of their grandsons have been doing poorly in their schooling. They become dropouts and either spend their time just hanging around or they wind up in jail
    because of various crimes.
    While serving time, they are being targeted by older men to become awakened in the radicale Islam and its planned terrorist activities! When they are released
    from prison, then the Mosques send them out to countries such as Iraq, Pakistan, Nigeria, Sudan, Afghanistan and Somalia to be trained for the JIHAD.
    Our government has now passed the following laws to try to keep the terrorists
    under control:
    1. Airport, border, and harbour officials are to be on red-alert to prevent these
    Jihadists from leaving, or re-entering this country, (often with false passports,
    because the photos of these guys dressed in Islam garb often look alike!).
    2. Imams preaching terrorism in the Mosques will be set out of Netherlands
    Immediately, to the country of their choice.
    3. Guest Imams from other countries preaching terrorism (alas often the UK)
    will no longer be allowed into this country.
    4. Any person convicted of taking part in Islamic terrorist activities is to loose
    his/her Netherlands Citizenship! No more unemployment benefits, no more
    social security, and no more medical care provided by the government.
    The people of The Hague have been been so frightened by the recent Jihad
    riots where churches and synagogues have been also targeted by hate , so that
    our Conservative government has decided: that Enough is Enough!
    Netherlands may be the 1st country in Europe which will no longer tolerate
    the Jihad terrorists and their goal of The Islamic Take-over and enforcing their
    primitive and very cruel Sharia Law upon Europe! If we do not stop them,
    then North-america will be next! This is why, inspite of the very weak government of Obama, you Americans should contact your Republican
    representatives ( your Conservatives) and send them this report.
    It’s time that Americans and Canadians become aware about the terror which
    is now facing all of Europe, which is still the homeland of your descendants.
    Please send this letter to your conservative represenative so that they will
    become aware of the great danger that is facing our Western Ciivilization.
    Although America has terrible internal problems, you should realize that
    you still have friends in Europe. Although up until recently, Obama has not
    shown much interest in us in Netherlands and also not in Europe. He is more
    interested in trying to have us believe that his rival V. Putin is planning to
    take over Europe. Is Obama so weak to think that the Russian people who have
    known freedom for the last 25 years, would be willing to accept Communism
    again? I can only hope that the problems between Ukraine and Russia will
    soon be resolved, and that the people of East-Ukraine may decide their future.
    Obama, who has UP UNTIL RECENTLY never shown any interest in Europe,
    should pack up and go home to his golf course. We do not need this guy!

    • knowshistory

      sorry, rosa. those new laws are nice, but way, way too little and too late. your country has already passed the critical point. your remaining choice is open warfare against your invading enemy, or surrender, slavery, and genocide. I hope you choose wisely. my country, it seems, has chosen to do the same as cowardly Europe, even after seeing Europe conquered and genocided by islam. this makes us even more foolish and cowardly than Europeans. right now, if we told our teeming mass of evil muslims to leave, they would have to leave. but we will not take that very easy and necessary measure until they are strong enough to stay and fight, and we are too cowardly to fight them. national suicide is a terrible thing.

  • Ellsworth Toohey

    What would Putin do ? Kick them or shoot them ?

    • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

      Kill the ones opposed to the government. Retain the rest and sic them on other countries.

  • William

    Any ISIS member in the US would probably be sent to Gitmo. All this talk of ‘ISIS in America’ is Obamaganda, government propaganda designed to frighten people.

    • Painted Horse

      Why would the Democrat’s want to frighten us?

      • William

        So you’ll fall in line and rally behind the President in a time of war.

        • Painted Horse

          The president has us in a war?

  • GSR

    For the last 15-20 years, under Repubs & Dems, no one is getting deported. Immigration laws are not being enforced. Consequently, I have no less than two burqas living on my street, both “married” to the same Muslim man. Ain’t diversity grand? Open borders uber alles!

  • Vinegar Hill

    “The modern Jihadist threat had at its core a group of fighters who trained and fought in Afghanistan during and after the Soviet invasion.”
    You seem to have forgotten who funded, armed and trained these Jihadists.

    • Painted Horse

      Yes we must not forget Iran is the epicenter of international terrorism.

      • Vinegar Hill

        A weak reply showing that you can’t respond to the fact that the US funded, trained and armed them.

        • WhiteHunter

          Have you sought treatment for your Bush Derangement Syndrome yet? Excuse me…I meant Reagan Derangement Syndrome, since it was President Reagan’s policy that ejected the Soviets from Afghanistan. After he cleaned up the mess he inherited from Carter.

          • Vinegar Hill

            I am surprised by your lack of knowlege regarding American history. The US aided the taliban fighters in Afghanistan who were led by Bin Laden. I am sure you must be familiar with those names?

          • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

            Bin Laden didn’t lead the Taliban. He allied with them.

            The US aided the Afghan Mujahadeen.

            You really have no idea what you’re talking about.

          • Vinegar Hill

            The Mujahdeen were the forerunners of the Taliban…..you are disputing a name change.
            I concede that B L did not soley “lead” the Taliban but became a high profile leader when fighting there.
            You seem to have ignored my original point that the modern Jihadist threat emanated from the war aginst the Soviets. The US aided them and thus there are links with events of the following years for which American to some extent brought upon itself.

          • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

            I repeat you have no idea what you’re talking about. You really need to learn some basic things about Afghanistan before we have this conversation.

        • Painted Horse

          Oh, forgive me, I was only trying to complete your distressed statement with some verity.

  • Ivan

    God if only we could use these provisions to kick out the left. If we could deport one million of our worst socialists, we could save america.

  • Ivan

    How indeed?

  • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

    Some terrorists have actually crossed through the Canadian border.

  • bruce lorraine

    David with all due respect it’s time to stop playing ‘Whack-A-Mole’ with these terrorists groups and get to the root of the problem.Throwing ISIS out of the country and waiting for the next group to ‘pop up’ while the vast numbers of muslims continue to support and provide cover for such groups in America is akin to treating the symptoms of the disease rather than attacking the disease itself.
    The problem is islam , always has been islam, maybe will always be islam.
    Time to shut down all of the terrorist training camps and mosques in America and start shipping these people where ever they want to go. If they refuse, then off to interment camps with them. I don’t care how politically incorrect it is. Least we wind up like Great Britain which is headed to civil war at some point because they refuse to deal with their muslim problem.

    • knowshistory

      great Britain will be lucky if it gets a civil war. UK seems to be determined to submit to genocide without a fight. civil war is not the worst thing that can happen.

  • kevinstroup

    Daniel, kicking ISIS out of America is kicking the proverbial can down the road. They will come back a second time or become someone elses problem. Why not kill them and be done with the matter?

    • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

      Sure, but I don’t see any likely candidate taking them out back and shooting them so this is a practical proposal.

      • laura r

        they are here, isnt much to do about it. george soros wants it that way. we do have an alliance w/them. whitehouse=s muslims. simple. they are making a comeback & will conquer the world ask the U.N. & get back to me.

  • Rod M

    Let ISIS slaughter all democrats.

  • lies die

    We’re being over run by these barbarians. Trying to get rid of them will be harder and harder because we don;t even know who is in our country. See “the Next 9/11.”

    http://www.frontlineofdefense.com/americas-enemies

  • Ivan

    This article is like most of the articles you write (apart from the funny ones): it’s so obviously true that it needs no comment. It’s because your conclusions are natural unstrained conclusions, not forced or overintellectualized. What some would call common sense. Except I don’t like that term because these days common sense is often forced and unnatiural and twisted by political correctness.

    • knowshistory

      the most significant thing about common sense is that it is so uncommon.

  • Havoc

    While we’re at it (kicking out ISIS), let’s close the mosques and deport the Muslims.

  • NadePaulKuciGravMcKi

    ISIS ISIL IS Islamic State keeps talking about 5 dancing Israeli
    agents arrested on 9-11-01 in New York City dressed as Arabs

    • knowshistory

      that would be good strategy on the part of the Israeli agents, but it would be a wasted effort. there were so many actual peaceful followers of the religion of peace celebrating their victory that a handful of false celebrators would have gone unnoticed. one question, though. how does ISIS know about the fake celebrators? possibly were ISIS agents pretending to be Israeli agents pretending to be peaceful adorable lovable muslim enemies of our population? it matters not to me who was doing the celebrating. on 9-11-01 I learned all I will ever need to know about the religion of peace. 1. it is death to peaceful people. 2. to survive, peaceful people must destroy the religion of peace. that is all. very simple, but too many of us, starting with the fool George w. “religion of peace” bush, and ending with the archfools who voted for a muslim enemy of our society to replace him, don’t seem to be able to comprehend that very simple concept.