It’s Time to Kick Terrorist Turkey Out of NATO

Recep Tayyip Erdogan

While the US tried to stop ISIS from killing Kurds in Syria, Turkey, the state sponsor of ISIS across the border sat, watched and killed some Kurds inside their own country.

This isn’t the first time Turkey has been involved in genocide. This isn’t the first time that it’s been involved in ethnic cleansing even as a member of NATO.

The original excuse for keeping Turkey on board was the USSR. But the USSR is gone. The alliance with Turkey collapsed long ago. With the rise of the AKP, Turkey has become a Jihadist state that vacuums up loans to build an empire of terrorist oligarchs funneling money to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups.

NATO may have outlived its purpose, but Turkey’s role in it certainly has. Turkey is obstructing the US fight against ISIS the way that it obstructed the US fight against Saddam. And this time it’s even more serious.

Turkey is determined to drag the US into a war against Syria by using its ISIS terrorists to massacre Kurds and Christians. While Turkish spies trawl the US, its ISIS allies commit mass murder.

NATO stands for very little if it can include a member state that is engaging in armed occupation, that has jails filled with political dissidents and that actively sponsors genocide.

It’s time to kick terrorist Turkey out of NATO. There’s no room for a genocidal thug like Erdogan in any organization dedicated to protecting peace, democracy and freedom.

 

  • http://www.stubbornthings.org NAHALKIDES

    Yes, it’s time for Turkey to be shown the door. It’s sad, but that’s what Islam does to a country – Turkey’s long history of atrocities is not due to “Turkishness,” that part of its culture not due to Islam, but to its inability to rid itself of Islam. Ataturk tried, and succeeded for a while. What we need is a new kind of Ataturk, not a dictator but a believer in freedom, who will suppress Islam the way Ataturk did. It may sound illiberal, but tolerance cannot include tolerating a social system that is fundamentally intolerant and illiberal.

    • Pete

      “but tolerance cannot include tolerating a social system that is fundamentally intolerant and illiberal”

      Exactly

      Every rule has an exception.

      If liberals do not learn this, then their tolerance becomes a murder-suicide pact

    • contemptuous Maximus

      I don’t know if it’s true or not but I read somewhere that Ataturk found himself with the (enviable )task of deciding whether Turkish women should be veiled. After some consideration he decreed that it would be optional for regular women and mandatory for prostitutes. Veils soon disappeared in Turkey.

    • john guillemot

      NATO is a military alliance, not a social or economic one.
      If US or NATO will start considering the social aspects of their allies, Saudis and all other Arabic countries have to go.
      And Pakistan, of course.
      Which will make them more radical, and some may switch their allegiance to Russia, or an altogether new “Jihadist Union” of sorts may rise. Actually, ISIS have supporters from Europe to Afghanistan to Nigeria.
      The best strategy would be to invade and/or control the islamic countries via current arabic/muslim allies.

    • JoeMiller

      You’re absolutely right, Nahalkides.

      • http://www.stubbornthings.org NAHALKIDES

        Thanks, Joe!

  • Gee

    I concur. Turkey has been a waste of money.

  • Pete

    I told Americana, one of the resident trolls, that the war would be over except for mop up in 2 weeks if Turkey was on board.

    As it is we are going to start losing people in the Middle East and here. It won’t be much at first, but is will be more in the end.

    When ever you don;t pay the butcher’s bill up front, you usually end up paying much more at the end.

    Islamic State uses MANPADS to shoot down Iraqi helicopter near Baiji

    Good link shows a shoot down of a helicopter by a manpad.

    It is good from the standpoint that it show the truth of the situation in theater. It is not good obviously form the Iraqi pilots fighting th good fight and losing their lives.

  • Texas Patriot

    Better to have Russia and China as members of NATO than Turkey.

    • Pete

      Actually given their problems with Islam, that is so true.

  • Pete

    You sure?

    That job is not worth less than 200k.

    I cannot believe that there are not Iraqis, who cannot be or who have not been though flight school since 2003.

    My understanding of helicopters in a non-permissive environment is that they sit back behind their lines as fire from there. they can still get hit, but their survival goes up somewhat.

  • Pete

    Some blog posted that Baghdad was under threat. I don’t think it is likely that Baghdad would fall.

    However, I think it I more likely the west bank of Baghdad would fall, become a war zone and be emptied of civilians. After several weeks the east bank would not be very livable either.

    The U.S. government can’t even tell the truth about the situation around Abu Graib.

  • Pete

    Where are the Iranians?

    I figured that enough Iranians could take care of the situation along with the Iraqi Shia militia they are training.

    Mind you I do not want to see the Iranians win either.

    I just think they have the ability.

    Unless the Iranians have to keep troops at home to sit on the population there. That is my only explanation other than they do not want to to bleed too much.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    Reboot NATO. No jihadis allowed.

    OTOH if we let the Russian empire grow…

    • kiwi41

      At least you can negociate with Russians.

  • UniteAgainstIslamism

    There is a concerted push for Turkey to join the European Union. A jihadi run turkish government within its borders (such as it is) would be absolute disaster for Europe.

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  • Ekmel Uyar

    I just read a lot of bullshit from someone that thinks he is an
    expert but does not have a single clue about what is going on. The
    writer of this article and most of the comments are just sitting from
    the USA pretending like they know something about Islam and Turkey, but
    frankly you guys are just following the media you want to follow, just
    do some research about how things really are in Turkey. ISIS and Al
    Qaeda terrorist have nothing to do with Islam its just a small group of
    idiots that ruin it for all muslims in the world.

    Coming to
    Turkey, Kurds ( Terrorist group PKK) have killed 50 000 innocent
    civilians since 1994. Turkey never killed civilians. The AKP government
    is trying to give the kurds the rights they want and is succeeding in
    that, but just like ISIS there are a group provocator terrorist that try
    to stop this development. The Turkish state and the citizens have
    nothing to do with islamists or jihadis they are just peaceful people
    that pray 5 times a day thats the only difference, most women do not
    wear headscarves and men do give women a hand.

    Please do not look at things from one side but try to gain an in depth view of things.

    • Bamaguje

      ” ISIS and Al-Qaeda terrorist have nothing to do with Islam” – Ekmel Uyar.

      Give it up Ekmel. No sane non-Muslim buys drinks that kool aid anymore.
      Out of political correctness, some non-Muslim appeasers may pretend to buy that Taqiyya propaganda, but really we are not fooled.

      “Turkey never killed civilians” – Ekmel Uyar.

      Genocide of Armenians… ring any bells?

      “Kurds (Terrorist group PKK) have killed 50 000 innocent civilians since 1994″ – Ekmel Uyar.

      I’m not buying your inflated figures. What about the hundreds of Kurds killed by Turkey?
      Kurds are fighting for their country… let them go!!

      • Ekmel

        I dont understand you what is taqiyya ? Just do some research about the Islam as a whole instead of just taking a small part of it which make it looks evil, look at the context.

        I just read on wikipedia that taqiyya is something of shii muslims which are also not real muslims imo. again look at the message of our prophet to see the truth and do not base your opinion on a small piece of biased information you have.

        Genocide of armenians ? That is a big lie made up by armenians, read this proof with pictures and letters

        http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Sj2AYX-UFiIJ:armeniangenocidelies.com/+&cd=1&hl=nl&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a

        You are talking about hundreds of kurds killed which are terrorists killed by soldiers, since 1994.
        Turkey does not and did not kill any civilians.

        Kurds are fighting for their country ? Which country are they fighting for ? They want a part of Turkey which never belonged to them. What would you do if Afro Americans would claim the land that they live on ?

        I am coming with facts and you are just being ignorant, take off your blinkers and see the world around you.

        • castiel

          That’s why many people like some Turks like to lie without any shame, denying the existence of Armenians and Kurds as the natives in Anatolia, and shamelessly deny the genocide carried by your ‘holy’ empire! twisting any historical facts that have been studied by ancient and modern historians. Even though taqiyya is not in Sunni doctrine, however, very ironically many so-called Sunnis carry out more taqiyya than Shias. Basically your mindset are totally no different with the Japanese right wings, even worse than them.

          • Ekmel

            I do not deny the kurds as natives in the eastern part of Turkey ( They do not live in Anatolia). I do not just deny it I also show proof that there was no genocide.

            You know what is ironically ? I as a muslim have never heard about the thing called taqiyyah while you americans are very familiar with the word. Doesnt that ring a bell in your head ? Someone (Media) is trying to put that in the head of the American citizens.

            I invite you to come and visit Turkey to see by yourself how it is.

          • castiel

            Proof?! really thanks ur effort and ur government tried so hard for covering any truths, just like Japan Right Wing denies any atrocities made to Chinese in China and South East Asia. Sorry, I’m not American Citizens, so don’t stop stereotyping American as one group don’t know anything about international affair, you know what, many muslim like to use such excuse to accuse Europe and US. I also know that medias is manipulating people, and Middle east Media is also not an exception to me! Thanks, if I got a chance, i will go, but hope I won’t meet any people like you at there!

          • Ekmel

            First of all you will only meet people like me in Turkey which is a good thing :D
            Such a pity that you talk like this to someone you don’t even know..

            Why are you comparing apples with pears all the time? Why are you bringing up Japan? It has nothing to do with the topic we are discussing.

            I am a part of the European people so I dont see a reason to accuse myself.. But the fact is and I am not denying that America and European empires killed and enslaved the most people in history just look at the millions of black slaves and Indians extinguished.

            Why all this hate against muslims ? Does it have a reason ?

          • castiel

            Oh, please, don’t make other people same level as you! And stop making yourself ‘wise’, you are not even wise in convincing others! Sorry, I don’t hate Muslim. I only hate radical Muslim and I only critic ideology. And the most disgusting things is mixing nationalism with religion. Why I cited Japan? Because both turkey and Japan do the same stuff, denying massacres and atrocities they made to many people. Again? Accusing Western World again? that’s why many Muslim never introspect themselves, anythings bad assocaited with them, they will linked to israel, mossad, US. You know what, Ottoman Empire also engaged in notorious slave trade too, what a predecessor!

          • Ekmel

            I am not wise in convincing others and you are ? You dont even know who I am and youre calling me not wise, is that your wisdom ?

            I also hate radical muslims but you are criticising an ideology which you dont know. You only read a few sentences and you assumed its bad while you dont even know the context.

            Just look at how slaves were treated in the us. And in the ottoman empire. You will see what i mean.

          • castiel

            Likewise, you also don’t know who I am, and very sure every Turks’s thinking like You?!
            So you wanna tell me slaves were treated very ‘well’?! you wanna make this as excuse for Ottoman enslaves people?! To me, Ottoman and other western imperialist are the same, but least US and European third generations know how to introspect their ancestor’s bad acts and crimes,. And you? only denying.

          • Ekmel

            I didnt accuse you of anything because i dont know you and no not every turk thinks like me.

            Look what you are comparing a few hundred slaves in the ottoman empire against millions of the western empires.

          • castiel

            Hundreds slaves? Seems like your gov brainwashing regime doing very well! Let me tell you, my ancestor homeland also have such kind of slave system, and I can guarantee these slaves’ treatment are much better than Ottoman, but my groups and I never advocate of it, because it’s against humanity.

          • Ekmel

            My gov ? I dont live in turkey so its not my gov. Slaves are against humanity and i didnt not advocate it. But it was not a regular normal thing in the ottoman time like it was in the western world. Just do your research and you will see.

          • castiel

            not a regular normal thing? you can fool other people but not me. Many people also use such cliches like that: do ur research before accuse, blah blah blah..

          • Ekmel

            THan come with facts instead of being so childish..

          • castiel

            You are not reaching puberty at all. ‘Do your research’ not your favor?

          • Ekmel

            What are you talking about?

          • castiel

            Just replying in the way as You did

          • castiel

            Surely not a regular things to you, because western people dare to critic themselves and make them as documentary and movies. But, someone just like to take more excuses and reasons to rationalize their crimes. Reduces the number as many as they can, delete anything damaging their images, emphasizes other’s fault, minimizes the degree of atrocities happen in the past. All I can say is shameless

          • Ekmel

            I dont know why you think turkey does that but its not true.

          • castiel

            that’s why your Brain-washing regime very effective. Actually, Turks are ‘natives’ in Balkan, happy, satisfied?!

          • Ekmel

            What are you talking about dude?

          • castiel

            Just replying the same way as you

          • Strodensky

            Yes it does.

        • ZUrqon

          I hope you’re not serious. I been to a trip in turkey and visited the kurdish side and everyone was kurdish.. After the worldwar brits gave kurds land to arabs turks and persians. Its there land believe and has been since forever.

          • Ekmel

            Yes they live there but it has never been their land or country.

          • ZUrqon

            Never been their country yes because the whole “country” thing is new concept in the middle east. Before it was just land. And the kurds have always lived but the brits gave their side to turks because the kurds helped russia during ww1.. Come on man why would u deny that. This is why I hate turks they deny facts so much and hate kurds.

          • Ekmel

            New concept ?? What about the ottoman empire that lasted for 600 years?

        • JoeMiller

          “Turkey does not and did not kill any civilians”. Wow…really? You’re woefully ignorant of the facts. If you did any research on the matter, you’d find that the Turks committed genocide of BOTH the Armenians AND the Greeks. It was no lie at all. Are you going to tell me the Holocaust of the Jews didn’t happen either??

          Turkey is also the same country that attacked another NATO ally in Greece over Cyprus–and still illegally control Northern Cyprus today. Ever wonder why they weren’t admitted into the European Union? Their illegal occupation of Northern Cyprus is a major reason.

          To be quite frank, the Turks have more in common with the ISIS the West is fighting than they do with the Western countries they are mistakenly allied with. Both Turkey and ISIS have the genocide of minorities on their resumes, and both continue to persecute and marginalize minorities.

      • Yagmur

        Just as they’re fighting for their land in Kobani right? You don’t know anything happened or still happening in Turkey, Kurd has never founded any country in history check your facts first, and still if they want to fight for their country why not fight against ISIS. you know how many kurds run for their lives to Turkey rather than fight for theier land or their so called country.
        And for the so called Armenian genocide you know Turks wanted to open the sealed historic documents about what has happened in 1915 but Armenians said no just googled it you’ll find it I wonder why.Why they didn’t want to open them and discuss it properly in proper settings.

    • castiel

      look at things from one side?! you sounds like a joke to me! I think what you like to listen: Turkey are innocent , Islam is misunderstood by most people, they are ignorant, you guys are right and very suci!

      • Ekmel

        Look youre again not even trying to understand what im saying. Just look at the facts and you will see by yourself.

        You couldnt answer in a proper way so you just tried to make fun of me.

        Take of your blinkers. Do not look at terrorists which are not even representing 1% of the muslims.

        I am on the same side when it comes to fighting ISIS but you are putting me in the same basket as ISIS which are enemies of me and the rest of the Muslims outside their Salafist/ Wahhabi community.

        • castiel

          Yeah, Surely i don’t need to answer in proper way to you, because I find no reason to answer you in such way. Even though, terrorists are not representing 1% of the Muslims, but morte than 1% undeniably many have potential to become like that because your guide book give them so many quotes to rationalize their bad acts. Dare you deny it?

          • Ekmel

            Look this is exactly what I mean, you think you know the book by looking to one sentence without reading the rest of the verse or looking at the context you just take one sentence and base your opinion on that, which is ridiculous. Real muslims following the koran do not have potential to become like that, because the koran says killing one innocent person is like killing everyone in the world. Just try to understand what i am saying..

          • castiel

            I have read Koran for twice, what i can say is bad more than good. If you want to say the bad verses is a spiritual challenge, it’s totally useless and non-effective to me.

          • Ekmel

            Than I dont know which koran you have read.. Or you should read it for the third time because it seems like you still didnt understand it.

            I dont believe that you have read a 600 paged book twice but lets say you did than you should take those things that you see as bad and conduct research about in which context that verse came and to whom it was adressed.

          • castiel

            Thanks, I did read many 600-pages books and no need you to remind me that. Sorry i won’t read a book that advocates violence for third times, I already understand it, you said like that because you have your own interpretations, please notice it, only your interpretations, but not the original interpretations.

          • Ekmel

            Its not my interpretations ofcourse not im a muslim and i believe that its the word of god. So my interpretations are the interpretations of all the normal muslims..

          • castiel

            then how do you define interpretations of normal Muslims? Are you hundred percent sure ‘normal Muslims have same interpretations as you?

          • Ekmel

            Yes I am.

          • castiel

            So you want people basically believe you in this way?

          • Ekmel

            YEs

          • castiel

            then proves to us, but not saying. Even genocide and atrocities made by Muslim ruled countries you can deny, I find no reason to trust your sincerity.

          • yeniceri

            bullshit. muslims would see you as a kafir dude.

          • yeniceri

            فَإِذا لَقِيتُمُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا فَضَرْبَ الرِّقَابِ حَتَّى إِذَا أَثْخَنتُمُوهُمْ فَشُدُّوا الْوَثَاقَ فَإِمَّا مَنًّا بَعْدُ وَإِمَّا فِدَاء حَتَّى تَضَعَ الْحَرْبُ أَوْزَارَهَا ذَلِكَ وَلَوْ يَشَاء اللَّهُ لَانتَصَرَ مِنْهُمْ وَلَكِن لِّيَبْلُوَ بَعْضَكُم بِبَعْضٍ وَالَّذِينَ قُتِلُوا فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَلَن يُضِلَّ أَعْمَالَهُمْ

          • yeniceri

            Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; at length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind (the captives) firmly: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah’s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
            (47/5) Interprete this one dude.

            Allah wants muslims cut the throats of non-muslims. It’s not that hard to understand.

          • castiel

            Do research on bad verses associated with violence will come out ‘peace’ and good verses?! That’s why I keep saying this is your interpretations, you just treat it as ‘holy’ and ‘infallacy’ so find such excuses to make it looks good!

          • Ekmel

            There are no bad verses you talk without knowing the context of those verses

          • castiel

            MMhh, I finally got it, killing people, slaving people, torturing people, treating woman as property are not bad

          • Ekmel

            Show me the verses that say those things. You talk bullshit. There is no such thing as what you say in islam not at all.

          • castiel

            bullshit?! get rid of your religion emotion and read it

          • Ekmel

            I know my religion and it has nothing to do with the things you said

          • castiel

            I know your religion and it has anythings violence as I said.

        • Pete

          “Take of your blinkers. Do not look at terrorists which are not even representing 1% of the muslims.”

          - So you do not send them $$$?
          - When the topic come up among your Muslim friends, you say terrorism is bad and rebuke Al Qaeda, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood, Khalistan Zindabad Force, etc?
          - You publicly urge your government to fight them
          - You yourself are thinking to join the fight against ISIS physically on the front line?

          • Ekmel

            Pete I am a muslim and I and all my friends family and every muslim I personally know does not send them $$$ do not support them in any way not with words not with prayers nothing. We hate them as much as you do. All the terrorist groups your named are evil and giving us a as muslims a bad name. I want my government to fight them yes, I am dutch and we are fighting them. I would fight Isis if i was a soldier and I would be happy to.

          • Pete

            Polls taken by Saudi owned Al Arabiya and Gallup suggest moderate support for the September 11 terrorist attacks within the Islamic world, with 36% of Arabs polled by Al Arabiya saying the 9/11 attacks were morally justified, 38% disagreeing and 26% of those polled being unsure.

            A 2008 study, produced by Gallup, found similar results with 38.6% of Muslims questioned believing the 9/11 attacks were justified.

            Another poll conducted, in 2005 by the Fafo Foundation in the Palestinian Authority, found that 65% of respondents supported the September 11 attacks.

          • Ekmel

            People that support attacks like 9/11 cannot be muslims in my eyes because they are contradicting the quran that says you should not kill people. Saudi arabia have the same ideology as isis and al qaeda so those idiots do not surprise me that they think like that. But that is not Islam. Its wrong. Most lf the muslims dont think like them 99% doesnt support terorrists. And if you do support them you are not a muslim in my eyes.

          • castiel

            Contracting the quran in one way, Abiding the quran in another way.

          • Ekmel

            You cant just take the part you want and leave the other parts, if you deny one letter of it youre not a real muslim.

          • castiel

            So are you implying the bad verses in Quran?

          • castiel

            In the same way, you just deny one letter and grant it another meaning. Right?

          • iaaron

            Ekmel, forgive me if I come across a bit disingenuous but can you please clear up a few things for me:

            1. If we all lived in a world that was predominately muslim and ruled by sharia law (strictly) what would be the punishment for homosexual acts, adultery and petty theft?
            2. Would it ever be ok for a husband to beat his wife?
            3. Would it ever be ok for a man to marry a girl below the age of 10 and have sexual relations with her before she was 16?
            4. Also, what would be the punishment if I then decided to give up my Islamic faith and become a christian and in the process condemned the prophet Muhammad?

            I am genuinely interested in your answer/s. Thanks, Aaron.

          • Ekmel

            1 since you are not muslim, even if the world was like that those laws would not be applicable for you since its only the muslim law for muslims. So you wouldnt get punished for something that is not foebidden in your religion like adultery etc..

            2. It is never ever ok for a husband to beat his wife. Islam gave many rights and protections to women just google it.

            3. No it would not ofcourse you cant marry a child. Or have sexual relationship with one that is strictly forbidden.

            4. You are free to choose in what you believe. So no punishment at all.

            You are asking all kind of things that are not going to happen.. why would you live in a country with sharia law while youre not muslim?

          • iaaron

            You had some intelligent responses above but I’m quite dissatisfied with your response. Please, may you have a second read and try responding again.

          • Ekmel

            Im sorry that i didnt respond in the way you wanted. You just want to hear the things you think are true. Islam has rules about everything in all it details and you just think you know islam by reading a few things, there are many requirements and qualifications for all the rules. Furthermore there is no country in the world that applies sharia law in the right way on this moment in the world. The last country that applied it was the ottoman empire so if you want real life answers just look at that empire how it was done back then.

          • iaaron

            I misjudged you Ekmel. Thank you nevertheless.

          • castiel

            You still trust him? I lived in a Majority Muslim Country. What he said is totally lie!

          • iaaron

            Trust him? I Don’t know him well enough to know if he is trustworthy or not. I am upset that he chose to avoid answering questions asked. But I think this is more due to his lack of theological knowledge of Islam then his trustworthiness.

          • castiel

            As he deny Armenians Genocide and make excuse of it, I already suspect his honesty when he make any statements.

          • castiel

            Lies again! Are you sure no country applies sharia? Are you sure Muslim can freely choose their faith without any punishment or persecution? How about the child marriage in Arab Peninsular? You beloved country Turkey once allow husband to beat disobedient wife. That’s why I said Sunnis are more Pro in Al-taqiyya than Shias!

          • Ekmel

            Thats why i said no country applies the sharia correctly today. Those are all wron decisions by countries that say they apply sharia. I really heard the first time about that taqiyya but it sounds like youre more familiar with it than i am.

          • castiel

            you are very good in changing and adding words! Because you’re doing right now and i JUST REVEAL IT

          • Ekmel

            Well in my religion islam, lying is forbidden no matter what.

          • castiel

            Yeah, you can continue to fool other Non-Muslims that have not in deeply contact with your religion

          • Pete

            Ekmel > castiel • 2 hours ago

            Thats why i said no country applies the sharia correctly today. Those are all wron decisions by countries that say they apply sharia. I really heard the first time about that taqiyya but it sounds like youre more familiar with it than i am.

            __________________________________________

            “That’s why I said no country applies the Sharia correctly today.”

            JACKPOT!

            WE HAVE A WINNER!

            THIS IS GOLD!

          • yeniceri

            Lol it’s not islam hahahahaha you are not muslim Ekmel. You are believing a self-updated version of Islam just in your opinions. True muslims are decapitating your kind at first.

          • Pete
          • Pete

            “I am dutch and we are fighting them. I would fight Isis if i was a soldier and I would be happy to.”

            You are young enough to join the Dutch military and fight them. Yet, you do not. Interesting!

            -”not every Turk thinks like me.”
            -”I am dutch”
            -”My gov ? I don’t live in Turkey so it’s not my gov.”

            Actually you look like you come from Indonesia and (not Turkey) like 10% of Dutch citizens

            - Genocide of armenians ? That is a big lie made up by armenians

            - I do not deny the Kurds as natives in the eastern part of Turkey (They do not live in Anatolia)

          • castiel

            That’s why I think many Muslims like him, very hypocrite and fake, dare to accuse others, dare not to introspect, as some of their guy doing bad, they will immediately jump up to break the relationship with them, distract other people by confusing them.

          • yeniceri

            Dude, there are many families who are supporting ISIS in Turkey. Check out tevhidecagri.com (turkish organisation of ISIS) or Takva Haber (ISIS Turkey news agency). If you don’t live in Turkey, don’t talk about it that much OK Ekmelciğim? Because you know nothing Ekmel, you know nothing.

    • Pete

      21 upvotes from guest inside of an hour that an article is published?

      FPM is getting more popular but this many guest upvotes in such a short time are an anomaly.

      Therefore I call BS!

      There are not have that many regular liberal readers. Someone is hacking or there is a dedicated group of activists trying to influence web forums and they do not like this article/essay.

    • Bashar al-Assad

      ”Turkey never killed civilians.”

      LOL, are you fucking kidding me, you hairy genocidal Turkish monkey?

      The word ”GENOCIDE” was invented to describe Turkey’s massacre of the Armenians, you Turanic-Mongoloid Afro-Asiatic leech, result of centuries of incest-marriages!

      Turkey has killed:

      - 1.5 million Armenians
      - 3 million Greeks & Assyrian Christians
      - 0.5 million Kurds

      ALL civilians.

      Go shave your mother’s mustache or something!

  • john guillemot

    Turkey is the counter-weight that NATO and US have in middle east against Iran and Russia.
    It’s the only country that limits Russian naval presence in Mediterranean. (Remember Sevastopol?)
    Russia may be wounded post-USSR, but it effectively and actively stops NATO and EU influence.
    It also stopped Georgia from becoming pro-US.
    All in all, a non NATO member Turkey will be a loss to NATO.
    Besides, it has 2nd strongest army in the EU.
    Add this that Chinese economy is now stronger than US, overall military power is important on paper.

    • Pete

      What counterweight with the AKP in control?

      On paper yes. In actuality on the ground, no. Not for the last 11 to 16 years.

      • john guillemot

        Only afghansitan was a direct threat to NATO, where Turkey sent troops for maintaining order, and there was no “weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq either.
        NATO was founded to counter Soviets, and now Russia. Never forget that. Now Russia is sending bombers all the way down to Portugal and wrestling its nuclear power, Turkey’s strategic importance is once more justified.

        • Pete

          I am not denying that Turkey is strategically important.

          What I question is whether Turkey is a credible strategic partner given the the AKP controls the government and is Islamicist.

          Iraq violated the terms of the 1991 Gulf War armistice numerous times and egregiously so. Russia could not save its’ ally, Iraq, but they could engage in a very important maskirovka operation. Namely transporting WMD material to Syria. Still after all that we got 500 tons of yellow cake and plus all the munitions that were used in IEDs to hurt American troops. I knew about that (like many others) before the press reported on in in October 2014.

          • john guillemot

            I see. Thats a more credible reason. Thanks for enlightening. Islam is a problem really. But given Saudi Arabia and Gulf countries continue to be good allies, I believe it’s more important whether Turkey will try to sway from western view of middle east. Then there’s a real problem.

          • Pete

            I hope Turkey turns West.

            But there is a lot of resentment for not being accepted into the European economic community. But the Europeans have justification when groups like the AKP can be elected and maintain power for over a decade.

            I know 30% or 40% (maybe more) are people I think many Europeans and others could get along with. But there are an equal # who would be okay with Sharia law.

            I look at the gay pride parade in Turkey and its’ #s as a leading indicator (one of them) of Turkey swaying one way or another. Did not hear anything this year. I really, really don’t like the movement, but it is an indication of how tolerant Turkey may be.

        • Pete

          “wrestling its nuclear power”

          I do not understand what you mean with this phrase. Could you please rephrase it, so I can understand?

          • john guillemot

            I was meant to say, the bombers are also capable of delivering nuclear payloads, therefore it’s a show of force. Like nuclear submarines which also have this capability, and often used in the same context. That’s what I had in my mind while writing the phrase.

          • Pete

            Got it. TYVM.
            Still do not recognize if the phrase or the word wrestling is used properly, but I should have guessed from the context.

    • lonesomeCowboy

      Exactly, I think We are unnecessarily fighting American’s war. We fought in Korea, Afghanistan none of which presents threat to Turkey. I think NATO is doing harm than good. We are protecting EU’s “back” for God’s sake. It is maybe the time for EU countries to take more responsibility in NATO.

    • JoeMiller

      I’m going to have to completely disagree with you on Turkey’s usefulness as a NATO member.

      Like the author of the article noted, the Cold War is over. Russia’s influence is quite limited today when compared to the Cold War Era. It is a much weaker nation than it once was, both economically and militarily.

      Don’t forget, this is the same Turkey that went to war with another NATO ally (Greece) over Cyprus, and still illegally controls part of Cyprus today. It is also the same Turkey that has yet to acknowledge its role in the genocide of the Armenians and Greeks. And it is the same Turkey that consistently persecutes and marginalizes the primary minority left in the region–the Kurds. The Ottoman Turks don’t have much more moral fiber than the ISIS the West is currently at war with. That should be quite evident with their indifference to the potential slaughter of the Kurds occurring on their doorstep at Kobani.

      It is quite frankly a shame that the West is allied with such a country.

      I can’t wait for a US President with the balls to confront Turkey–both diplomatically and militarily. They’re basically wolves in sheep’s clothing, and the West should not turn a blind eye to their atrocities of the past and present (nor should they allow Turkey to illegally control both Northern Cyprus and Constantinople).

      • john guillemot

        Well, Turkish army is in the top 10 and better than England, France and Germany.
        Considering NATO is a military alliance, member states’ social politics and history is not of primary concern. Besides, despite the embargo during Cyprus invasion, Turkey stayed in the pact.
        I believe Turkish people doesn’t want NATO with zeal, but that’s politics.

  • Veritus Gladium

    America and Israel build and manage ISIS. they are using ISIS to terrorize middle-east and forcing Turkey go into Syria alone. But Turkey wont fall into this trap. where are the NATO and UN ? they all absent now. as happens in Bosnia muslim genocide.

    Kurds left alone by USA and UK and others.nothing else

    • castiel

      Shark attack in Egypt was planned by MOSSAD to crush tourism in Egypt. Many people in ME are facing constipation because MOSSAD using high tech mind-controlling device to control their eating habit. LOL

  • erdemece

    to be able to stand against the bullshit on this article you have to stand in awe.

  • Ertug Kaya

    I stopped reading that crap at the point you call a country terrorist. Let’s kick racism out of media, please.

  • lonesomeCowboy

    When America supported Taliban, it was smart; When Turkey does the same it is terrorist. lmao

    • castiel

      Ok, you are telling us Turkey is supporting terrorist in indirect way. Thanks!

  • funny lol

    Daniel Greenfield is a guy who born in israel. Turk hater lol.
    Proof: http://www.jewishpress.com/author/danielgreenfield/

    Turks are NOT jihadist, especially AKP. They are mostly muslim(AKP). Do you know differences? No, ofc you dont know. You are not journalist, you are just lier.

  • Guest

    I have read loads of bullshit by a writer whom country is by far the biggest sponsor of almost all terrorist groups -EVEN ISIS. How ironic LOL. Nevertheless it is true undoubtedly that there is no reasonable fact to stand up for AKP, which is hateful objectively.

  • Emilio Orçun KOÇAK

    I have read loads of bullshit by a writer, whose country is by far the biggest sponsor of almost all terrorist groups -EVEN ISIS. How ironic LOL. Nevertheless it is true undoubtedly that there is no reasonable fact to stand up for AKP, which is hateful objectively.

  • G. Friedman

    This has got to be the most unintelligent article I have read in my 40 year career as a political scientist. Under educated and redundant shills like you are dragging America to the bottom. Read a book Daniel.

    • JoeMiller

      You obviously haven’t done a lot of reading over the years.

  • castiel

    So Muslim have authority to carry out crimes? Compared with Armenians, you Turks lie the most, not only systematically massacred Armenians and stole their Historical places forever. really shameless and disgusting

  • Bamaguje

    So the Turkish people were invented in 1923?

    • yeniceri

      Yeah we can call it a reinvention. Before 1923, Turk was a term for humiliation. An Ottoman never call himself Turk but Ottoman. Turks have been reborn with Atatürk in 1923.

  • Melih Ast

    Not a fan of the ruling goverment at all but I have to take a stand against this crap title. Did you know that Turkey is making calls since years to UN and others to take actions on Syria. Turkey asked the Kurds to join the Free Syria Army if they wanted to receive support but instead they stood aside Esad. Then America leaves behind tons of weapons to Arabs not knowing how to use who also run away and now it’s Turkeys fault??? And now again, let’s pump some more guns in the region, where we won’t have any control where they will end up. Seriously???

  • Ergun Kirlikovali

    This is in response to Daniel Greenfield’s ill-informed and malicious, ethno-religious, and racist attacks Turkey. The US senators give Greenfield’s vitriol
    the best response:

    ……………………………………..

    Oct 09 2014

    STATEMENT BY SENATORS McCAIN
    AND GRAHAM ON TURKEY AND THE FIGHT AGAINST ISIS

    Washington, D.C. ­– U.S. Senators John McCain (R-AZ) and Lindsey
    Graham (R-SC) today released the following statement on Turkey and the
    fight against Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS):

    “The growing criticism of Turkey for not acting to save Kobani
    does not reflect the reality on the ground that both ISIS and Bashar al-Assad
    must be defeated. We certainly believe Turkey should play a greater role in the
    fight against ISIS, and we have disagreed in recent years with some of Turkey’s
    policies and actions in the Middle East, especially on Israel and the
    management of its border with Syria.

    “In this instance, however, President Erdogan has said that we
    need an international strategy not just to destroy ISIS, but also to force
    Assad to leave power and end the conflict in Syria – for the former objective cannot
    succeed without the latter. This strategy, Erdogan has said, must include the
    establishment of safe zones in Syria for civilians and opposition forces,
    protected by no-fly zones – a strategy we have long advocated and continue to
    believe is vital to success in both Syria and Iraq.

    “This view is shared by
    many of our friends and allies in the Middle East. We are confident that if
    President Obama adopted a strategy took the steps that Turkish leaders are
    advocating to deal with Assad as well as ISIS, he would have significant
    support from our regional partners, including Turkish military involvement,
    which can be so important to success.”
    ………………………………..

  • Mko

    There some ppl who comments here, i would like to put some real
    information for who has no information even they dont know where Turkey
    situated on the world map.

    Here in Turkey, there still living
    over than 500.000 Armenians which has no Turkish citizenship, but they
    are working in our borders as if that you are right and that Turks are
    murderer. Would you Armenian please live in U.S. border as not accepted
    to been there?

    Please check out your U.S. governmental records,
    that how many innocent Turkish citizen were been killed by your self
    murderers? Please check out your elder president of Armenia, which made
    up researches for historical evidences to World historians with his
    supporting pictures and evidences?

    However guys.. Somebody has
    told about Kurds here around. Let me give you some information that you
    could check it out easily from google.

    Kurdish population was
    300.000 during by IRAN-IRAQ war in 1990. When their extensions were
    kicked out from the Iran and Iraq borders during by war, they were
    accepted as refugees into Turkey as like now Syrians refugees.

    Their
    (refugees) population was around 1.750.000. Because the sanctions of
    United Nation letter between UN and Turkey we do not sent them back
    after the war to their countries. Many of them are still living in
    Turkey even they have accepted for Turkish citizenship. Now, please let
    your aspect calculations easily to find their population increasement
    (multiple to 6 at least) since 1990.

    If you check out your true
    historical archives about population increasement of world nations which
    is recorded by US government, you will find up them around 300.000 that
    they were living with us during by Ottoman times.

    However you guys. If you don’t have the true knowledge as a historian please do not share your misinformation.

    Because, the share has no benefit for the others who is looking for the true informations.

    I will continue to share other resources time by time under this topic.

  • castiel

    really thanks for speaking out, I also thought many Turks are more open-minded and sensible than Ekmel.

  • castiel

    How do you explain massacring the elite of Armenians serviced for military and government? Were they simply wiped off during clashes between two ethnic groups? Even though, they have massacred you, it doesn’t mean that you have right to systematically wiped off them from their homeland by any means.

  • castiel

    then you must thank to Antaturk, he must take responsibilities what he and his supporter did in the past. Honestly, you country own many nations a sincere apology

  • Jabar

    I read a lot of lie from turk about kurd and araman to deny there human crime just one point which is now they admit there is kurd living on there homeland in turkey they were ignored for acentury.

    PKK is fitting for kurds basic rights like to break the band on there language which is a very basic human rights, in democracy country its can be done by writing just official latter which kurd paid a lot of price to have it at the early year ago.

    my final word is fascism is in your thought you born with it and it will bring you down better to think like human. roboski wasn’t genocide you committed?

    kurd not killed a civilian where all this lie you get from wat is a prof 50000

    while they are just defending them self to not been wiped.

    kobani is one simple and one great symbol for there willing.

  • ZUrqon

    Its turkish propaganda. Number 2 second highest twitter trend in turkey was “we are here for you isis”.. Turkey is a isis supporting nation and is one of the most evil and fucked up country that has ever existed. Because nato needs the to watch the sea is the only reason they are in Nato.. They will pay.

  • ZUrqon

    Number 2 Highest Twitter trends in turkey translate to “We are here for you Isis”/ that alone should give you an idea of how turkey is.. Kick them up and start sanctions immediately.

  • Symphon

    Turkey and United States has supported FSA (Free Syrian Army) all the time. But Pkk (Kurdistan Communist/Workers Party) terrorists made a deal with Esad and Russia. Then they started to fight against FSA together with Esads army. They started to relocate the people who has been supporting FSA. And then Isıs has obtained much more power because of these reasons.

    Now I want to ask you some questions Daniel Greenfield ”Are you communist?” ”Do you support American politics or Russian and Iranian politics?” ”Which one is
    your side liberal democracy or Esad’s dictatorship?”

  • Symphon

    Pkk is a terrorist group like Isis.
    Isıs has been established as a reaction to Pkk massacres in Syria. Terrorism brings more terrorism.

  • Symphon

    Pkk is a terrorist group like Isis.
    Isıs has been established as a reaction to Pkk massacres in Syria. Terrorism brings more terrorism.
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c23_1412688869

  • Sıkender Beg

    You’re not even able to show a single proof that there was a “genocide”,
    although you killed the natives of North America 300 – 400 years ago,
    and took a huge continent. You still blame Turks although they lived in
    peace with all the peoples surrounding them until you screwed it up
    beginning in the 19th century…

    You, not directly, but indirectly caused people to kill each other, sold them guns (iraq, afghanistan)

    You
    created a lie that there were 5 million jews being killed in Germany in
    WW2, although you have no tangible proof there were even that many jews
    in Germany in those years…

    You lied about Armenians that were
    killed in 1915, although the fact was they created a mess there, and
    they were just being immigrated, being provided all they needed where
    they were going. And the people who died were Kurds, Turks, Armenians,
    Georgians….Basically whoever was living there, because it was WAR. A
    World war..which was started by you anyway…

    You still blame people as terrorists although you terrorize people more than anyone ever in the history…

    Even
    in your own country, you kill people who don’t even obey the simplest,
    stupidest rule. You have police states…Invisible dictatorships.

    You
    have no idea what the word “terror” means, you don’t wanna learn it
    either, you just wanna blame people terrorists because they wanna do
    things their own way.

    You create fake groups that you support,
    and you make it look like someone else supports / supported them. Then
    you just disappear into thin air as if you don’t sell guns to
    EVERYONE….

    • Original Prankster

      Thanks Muzzie – shouldn’t you be out raping a 9 year old in honor of your pedophile hero Moohamad

      • Sıkender Beg

        you are great at showing your level of education.

        • castiel

          Apparently you just an excellent student under brainwash education! Pathetic

  • Ivanovich

    Wow, hands down I hadn’t read such bullshit for a long time. You guys can keep believing whatever you want, but it hurts me how ironic it is that you blame Turkey for not helping in the war against Saddam. People who justify and support us lntervention in Iraq are making comments about the Middle East… Way to go guys you really are thinking out of the box.

  • Tolga Aydin

    Its easy to wrote this silly article when having your coffee at your warm office while we are giving citizenship, food, wage, shelter, health and protection for 3 MILLION SYRIANS.

    Its NATO who needs us not otherwise…

    And before saying such stupid allegations, go to your library and look for YOUR COUNTRY’s genocide. you can be sure of it that Armenian issue is not you have heard.

  • castiel

    Hi, really pleasure for your shared opinion. I’m living in Malaysia more than 20 years and I totally agree what you comment about Islam. As a non-Muslim minority in this country, I deeply understand the characteristics of this religion, it restricts any freedom thinking and freedom of speech, it is not a tolerant religion in nature , but many naive liberals always unknown about it. Unlike what many medias describing about, Malaysia is not really a good countries in terms of democracy. Malaysia government impose a lot unfair policies towards non-Muslim minorities and oppresses their voices and rights. Although minorities conditions in Malaysia is much better than Turkey, but a lot politicians and imams with extremism thinking always make statements to disrupt the unity among multi-ethnics/religion society without receiving any punishments. However, people with different opinions are always become the victims of seditious act. In addition, many politicians always use Islam and racial topic to gain political benefits. Even our PM claims secularism and freedom of speech is a threat to Islam in Malaysia. Besides that, religious intolerance and extremism thinking begin to emerge in FB, I observed many ignorant Muslim always commenting in emotional and unreasonable way towards national and international affairs. Ironically, these ignorant people dare to accuse Israel’s airstrikes on Gaza but majority play silent to ISIS notorious crimes against humanity. Some of them may critics ISIS but they always linked ISIS to Israel and rather to believe ridiculous ‘conspiracy theories’. This proves how brainwashing the social media propaganda is.

  • castiel

    I’m a history teacher…this kind a cliches i had heard before in my country. Sorry it’s totally useless to me, because most history teacher just follow what the regime’s rule and decision, what they have told you is always lack of honesty and biased on majority ethnics. This is my experience I encounter in my country, they won’t dig up the truth or spread the truth to students, they are selfish and based too deep down their heart, I know it. are they brave enough to challenge them? are they really credible for their history study? Maybe you should use : I’m history scholar in university!

  • Strodensky

    Actually there are at least some 60000 Saudis fighting among the ranks of ISIL in Syria and many Saudi officers are there as well.

  • JoeMiller

    Second-largest army in NATO–but what role are they used in? They’re used in a NON-COMBAT ROLE in Afghanistan. Think they’re going to fight NATO’s wars? Think again.

    I’d quite frankly rather ally with Russia and China than Turkey.

  • JoeMiller

    What good is the Incirlik Air Force Base to NATO if the Turks don’t even allow NATO to use it for combat missions?? The Turks didn’t allow the US to use it for combat missions in the Iraq War, and they aren’t allowing NATO members to use it for combat missions today in the war against ISIS.

    What is really absurd is that the US is allied with a country that shares more in common with the US’ enemies than it does with the rest of its allies.

  • JoeMiller

    Maybe–just maybe–this author is absolutely right.

    Maybe the US and West shouldn’t have allied with Turkey to begin with? The Turks are such a “great” NATO ally that they attacked another NATO ally over Cyprus, and still illegally control Cyprus today. And they’re one of the most moral peoples you’ll ever find–consistently denying their role in the Armenian and Greek genocides, and consistently persecuting and marginalizing the only minority left in their country–the Kurds.

    Maybe the US and West should kick Turkey out of NATO–it doesn’t share Western interests or values–and has more in common with the genocidal ISIS group than it does with the West.

  • JoeMiller

    Quite frankly, I’d do both. I’d also confront Turkey both diplomatically, and, if needed, militarily, over its control of Northern Cyprus, Eastern Thrace, and Constantinople.

  • JoeMiller

    Your country has outlived whatever usefulness it had during the Cold War. It is shameful that the West has such a Turkey in NATO.

    We haven’t forgotten your genocide of the Armenians, your genocide of the Greeks, your occupation of Constantinople and Eastern Thrace, your attacks on the Greeks over Cyprus, your illegal occupation of Northern Cyprus, or your persecution and marginalization of the Kurds.

    Your country shares more in common with ISIS than it does with the West–that’s the honest truth of the matter. The Cold War is over, and Turkey’s days in NATO should be over as well.

    I can’t wait for a US leader with the balls to confront Turkey diplomatically and militarily over Cyprus, Eastern Thrace, Constantinople, and the creation of a Kurdish state.

  • JoeMiller

    Exactly. I completely agree with you. I’d rather the West ally with Russia than ally with Turkey.

  • Babibum

    Oh, my comment on this article;

    Turkey doesn’t need Nato. We never ask for your help, like Cyrus matter or Greek stuff, we don’t ask other countries to help us, we never have. We go and do what we plan to do. You guys need us. It’s all good for Turkey to leave Nato since it’s only an excuse for US to invade countries with some votes from other allies so noone can blame them afterwards.

    By the way, I don’t mind who kills who unless it’s in my country. Isis wants take Syria and Iraq? So be it, good luck to them if they decide to attack us. That’d be quite a sight :)

  • castiel

    Although only 60% of the Malaysia population practice Islam, but the government’s policies favoring Islam dominant ethnic over other religions and minorities groups. The establishment of mosques and surau in new residential areas is fully financially supported by government. For temples and churches, government almost give no financial support, civilians have to carry out fundraising and ask for help from wealthy businessmen or politicians. Muslim in Malaysia are prohibited to renounce, if they intend to do, they have to go through shariah court first, but normally court will reject most of the appeal. In addition, marriage between Muslim women and non-Muslim men is forbidden under Malaysian law and under the Shariah/Islamic Jurisprudence; the non-Muslim man is required to convert to Islam under Malaysian law. I’m quite pessimistic over the secularism and democracy in Malaysia, because most of the people are still very conservative and religious, that’s why they are easily incited by some so-called ustaz and politicians. Besides that, most of them don’t know the core values of democracy, one of our opposition political party even intend to take advantage of democracy to establish a totally shariah-ruled country, sadly many people still advocate this party’s visions.
    I have heard about a sect of Islam called Alevi, and this sect is indeed more tolerant and humanistic. I begin to worry about my country’s situation, because some Muslim become more religious and even radical in thinking in recent years due to the propaganda in social medias. And rumor said ISIS also have branch in Indonesia and Malaysia.

    • yeniceri

      Alevis are getting slaughtered for centuries but they are still preserving their humanistic values. Alevism is a heterodoxic and syncretistic structure of their special belief. Alevism has many rituals come from shamanism/paganism, christianism, manicheism, zarathustra, occultism, esotericism, sufism… That’s why orthodox muslims (sunni and even shiites) don’t find them muslim at all. They found them infidel(or kafir) and cut them off… I feel myself close to alevism actually but I don’t want to live in a muslim country. Let’s move away my friend.

      • castiel

        Ya, I could understand the fate of minorities in many religious countries and really sympathizes their conditions.And that’s why I found myself become more agnostic and gradually rid off the bound of any religion thinking. Sometimes I also have thought of leaving my country, but it’s a hard decision and I still have many family members living here.

  • castiel

    Why after living hundreds of years together why Armenians, Arabs, Turks, Balkan Countries suddenly started to create their own nations?

    Firstly, why Turkey had to be powerful by stealing other ethnics’ historical land and carrying out pogroms? Did you ever see China and other South East Asia countries carry out ethnic cleansing to stay in power? Obviously your point cannot stand firmly.

    Secondly, why an ethnics groups with large population that lived in their historical homeland and had a historical kingdom over there have to endure oppression by other ethnics and cannot decide their fate?

    Thirdly, so imperialism of Ottoman Empire is more glorious than the imperialism of European Nations? If is, then why you criticize European but not Turkish?

  • Shish Yakoo

    NATO should be kicked out of NATO for all its the genocide during its existence. In Niš, Serbia, the local city hall has even erected a memorial monument to remember the victims of the NATO aggression of 1999. Same thing in Vranje and Belgrade. Sergej Narishkin of the Russian Duma even laid a wreath on the latter. Try search on Google with the expression споменик жртвама НАТО агресије.