Moderate Islam Is Multiculturalism Misspelled

KoranI have been searching for moderate Islam since September 11 and just like a lost sock in the dryer, it was in the last place I expected it to be.

There is no moderate Islam in the mosques or in Mecca. You won’t find it in the Koran or the Hadiths. If you want to find moderate Islam, browse the newspaper editorials after a terrorist attack or take a course on Islamic religion taught by a Unitarian Sociologist wearing fake native jewelry.

You can’t find a moderate Islam in Saudi Arabia or Iran, but you can find it in countless network news specials, articles and books about the two homelands of their respective brands of Islam.

You won’t find the fabled land of moderate Muslims in the east. You won’t even find it in the west. Like all myths it exists in the imagination of those who tell the stories. You won’t find a moderate Islam in the Koran, but you will find it in countless Western books about Islam.

Moderate Islam isn’t what most Muslims believe. It’s what most liberals believe that Muslims believe.

The new multicultural theology of the West is moderate Islam. Moderate Islam is the perfect religion for a secular age since it isn’t a religion at all.

Take Islam, turn it inside out and you have moderate Islam. Take a Muslim who hasn’t been inside a mosque in a year, who can name the entire starting lineup of the San Diego Chargers, but can’t name Mohammed’s companions and you have a moderate Muslim. Or more accurately, a secular Muslim.

An early generation of Western leaders sought the affirmation of their national destinies in the divine. This generation of Western leaders seeks the affirmation of their secular liberalism in a moderate Islam.

Even if they have to make it up.

Without a moderate Islam the Socialist projects of Europe which depend on heavy immigration collapse. America’s War on Terror becomes the endless inescapable slog that the rise of ISIS has once again revealed it to be. Multiculturalism, post-nationalism and Third World Guiltism all implode.

Without moderate Muslims, nationalism returns, borders close and the right wins. That is what they fear.

If there is no moderate Islam, no moderate Mohammed, no moderate Allah, then the Socialist Kingdom of Heaven on Earth has to go in the rubbish bin. The grand coalitions in which LGBT activists and Islamists scream at Jews over Gaza aren’t the future; they’re the Weimar Republic on wheels.

Flash back to Obama in his tan suit wearily saying that he has no strategy for ISIS. The original plan was to capture Osama alive, give him a civilian trial, cut a deal with the moderate Taliban and announce the end of the War on Terror before the midterm elections.

So much for that.

Moderate Islam is a difficult faith. To believe in it you have to disregard over a thousand years of recorded history, theology, demographics and just about everything that predates 1965. You have to ignore the bearded men chopping off heads because they don’t represent the majority of Muslims.

Neither does Mohammed, who did his own fair share of headchopping.

The real Islam is a topic that non-Muslims of no faith who hold sacred only the platitudes of a post-everything society are eager to lecture on without knowing anything about it.

Their Islam is not the religion of Mohammed, the Koran, the Hadiths, the Caliphs or its practitioners in such places as Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq or Indonesia. Their Islam is a religion that does not exist, but that they fervently believe must exist because without it their way of life is as doomed as the dodo.

They aren’t Muslims. They have no faith in Allah or the Koran. Instead they have faith in the goodness of an Islam that exists without resort to scriptures, theology or deity. This may seem strange to actual believers, but after all their own poor tattered scraps of Christianity or Judaism don’t bother paying too much attention to deities or scriptures except when it comes to cherry-picking quotes about tolerance.

Is it any wonder that they treat Islam the same way?

The true moderate Muslims are secular liberals of loosely Christian and Jewish persuasion who have invented and believe in a moderate Islam that doesn’t exist outside of their own heads. This secular Islam, which values all life, is dedicated to social justice and universal tolerance, is a counterpart of their own bastardized religions. And they are too afraid to wake up and realize that it doesn’t exist.

When American and European leaders insist that Islam has nothing to do with the latest Islamic atrocity, they are not referencing a religion practiced by Muslims, but an imaginary religion that they imagine Muslims must practice because the alternative is the end of everything that they believe in.

Their moderate Islam is light on the details, beyond standing for social justice, fighting Global Warming and supporting gay rights, because it is really multiculturalism wearing a fake beard. When a Western leader claims that the latest batch of Islamic terrorists don’t speak for Islam, he isn’t defending Muslims, he’s defending multiculturalism. He assumes that Muslims believe in multiculturalism because he does.

Moderate Islam is just multiculturalism misspelled. Its existence is a firm article of faith for those who believe in multiculturalism.

Dissuading a believer in moderate Muslims from his invented faith by citing the long trail of corpses or the hateful Hadiths that call for mass murder is futile because these are not the roots of his religion. He doesn’t know what a Hadith is nor does he care. As a social justice man in good standing, he attributes the violent track record of Islam to European colonialism and oppression.

He has never read the Koran. He has read a thousand articles about how Muslims are oppressed at the airport, in Gaza, in Burma and in Bugs Bunny cartoons. They are his new noble savages and he will not hear a word against them. Having colonized their identities in his imagination (despite the marked up copy of Edward Said’s Orientalism that he keeps by his bedside) he treats them as reflections of his ego.

When you say that moderate Muslims don’t exist, you are calling him a bad person. When you challenge Islam, you are attacking multiculturalism and he will call you a racist, regardless of the fact that Islam is as much of a race as Communism, Nazism or the Mickey Mouse Fan Club were races.

The moderate Muslim is an invention of the liberal academic, the secular theologian, the vapid politician and his shrill idiot cousin, the political activist. Like the money in the budgets that underpin their plans and the scientific evidence for Global Warming, he does not exist.

And it is not necessary that he should exist. It is only necessary that we have faith in his existence.

The degraded lefty descendants of Christians and Jews wait for a moderate Muslim messiah who will reconcile the impossibilities of their multicultural society by healing the conflicts between Islam and the West. Until then they find it necessary to believe, not in a divinity, but in the moderate Muslim.

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  • http://ruleofreason.blogspot.com/ Edward Cline

    And there’s no such thing as a moderate dose of arsenic, either.

    • IslamDownpressesHumanity

      Or a moderate beheading, or a moderate stoning to death for adultery, or a moderate enslavement, or a moderate forced child marriage or a moderate honor killing.

    • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

      There is, but it’ll still kill you or send you to the hospital. So too with moderate Islam.

  • Texas Patriot

    DG: Moderate Islam isn’t what most Muslims believe. It’s what most liberals believe that Muslims believe. The new multicultural theology of the West is moderate Islam. Moderate Islam is the perfect religion for a secular age since it isn’t a religion at all. Take Islam, turn it inside out and you have moderate Islam. Take a Muslim who hasn’t been inside a mosque in a year, who can name the entire starting lineup of the San Diego Chargers, but can’t name Mohammed’s companions and you have a moderate Muslim. Or more accurately, a secular Muslim. An early generation of Western leaders sought the affirmation of their national destinies in the divine. This generation of Western leaders seeks the affirmation of their secular liberalism in a moderate Islam. Even if they have to make it up. Without a moderate Islam the Socialist projects of Europe which depend on heavy immigration collapse. America’s War on Terror becomes the endless inescapable slog that the rise of ISIS has once again revealed it to be. Multiculturalism, post-nationalism and Third World Guiltism all implode. Without moderate Muslims, nationalism returns, borders close and the right wins. That is what they fear. If there is no moderate Islam, no moderate Mohammed, no moderate Allah, then the Socialist Kingdom of Heaven on Earth has to go in the rubbish bin.,/i>

    You nailed it, Daniel. Absolutely great work. Let this be the end of the Era of Ignorance, Lies, Fear, Hatred, and Terror, and the beginning of a New Era of Truth, Love, Freedom, Democracy, and Hope.

  • truebearing

    “He has never read the Koran. He has read a thousand articles about how Muslims are oppressed at the airport, in Gaza, in Burma and in Bugs Bunny cartoons.”

    Making fun of the dangerously deluded isn’t politically correct…but it is funny, and desperately deserved.

    Liberals are fond of yammering about creative thinking, or any other kind of creativity. No wonder they are such suckers for the Left’s endless stream of creative delusion. “Moderate Islam” is their latest and most dangerous delusion.

    No one can find it, yet moderate Islam supposedly has over one billion adherents. If Moderate Muslims don’t follow the teachings of Mohammed, which the experts assure us, then who do they follow?

    There is growing evidence that they obey a shadowy figure know only as “Waldo.” Where are all of these mysterious Waldoans? Hiding in mosques, wearing Muslim disguises, obviously.

    • IslamDownpressesHumanity

      I didn’t catch the Bugs Bunny reference my first time reading Mr. Greenfield’s article. Who can forget the infamous Bugs Bunny “Hassan chop” cartoon?

  • camp7

    Excellent essay. Words to describe the plight of modern man. Moderates are the intellectually lazy who support an invention of correctness that doesn’t exist.

    Moderates are the foil of truth. Tolerance is substituted with credibility to cushion the impact of an existential crisis. The pursuit of wisdom is compromised with the retreat of excuses where moderates have failed by the manifest evil that moderate secularism breeds by conscience disregard. It is a secular philosophy founded on static humanitarianism void of any spiritual or moral dynamics.

    So here we are, in a multicultural conflict with moderate operandi foolishly trying to claim a position of credence to detour the reality of the real. There is no healing with Islam. It presents a soul war of values. A freewill choice of faith that will eventually cast the sanctimony of moderates and their perverse ilk to the wayside. Good will overcome evil. Truth is not moderate, it’s absolute.

    • Texas Patriot

      camp7: Moderates are the intellectually lazy who support an invention of correctness that doesn’t exist.

      Awesome point. It’s as if somebody’s been snookered and somebody’s been fooled, and that same somebody has been way too lazy to look up the truth. Unfortunately, in the case of the watered-down, widely-disseminated, and politically correct view of Islam as a “religion of peace”, to a greater or lesser degree, that somebody has probably been most of us, if not all of us, and now that the true version of authentic Islam is being presented to us daily and nightly in living color from multiple news sources and multiple points of view, we just don’t want to believe it. So instead of doing the hard work of adjusting our worldview to the facts, we desperately hold onto our false (but comfortable) views that have no basis in reality whatsoever.

      • camp7

        We are privileged with free speech. I welcome the intellectual literary concepts that our brother Daniel Greenfield puts forward with the intent of rational analysis and reflection. That’s why I visit this site.

        I suspect that DG is clairvoyant in the sense that he knows how to inspire the best of contemporary thought. That’s my opinion, but it’s also evident in the caliber of opinions expressed on Frontpage.

        Ecommunications is the dialogue of our time. It is the current evolution of political and philosophical debate that will carry us to consensus, or at least to an understanding of socio-historical precepts that mold our values. In my opinion, our views will adjust to the refreshing knowledge of truth regardless of venue, and the innate endeavor of human progress, despite the odds.

        • Texas Patriot

          I agree. DG is like a genius. Really brilliant. Really clairvoyant. And really, really funny. Which is why I so much enjoy letting him know when I think he’s wrong!

          Otherwise, I couldn’t agree more that the dialogue form of communications now being employed on this website and elsewhere offers a greater opportunity for immediate evaluation, testing, and refining of ideas than anything that has ever come before… except maybe among Socrates and his friends in ancient Athens.

          • Yehuda Levi

            It is not that DG is wrong – it is that you are wrong.

            Also, Socrates’ student Plato was wrong and it was Aristotle who corrected him.

          • Texas Patriot

            YL: It is not that DG is wrong – it is that you are wrong. Also, Socrates’ student Plato was wrong and it was Aristotle who corrected him.

            Very funny.

          • Yehuda Levi

            No, your comment Obama was a military genius and the only one who recognizes ISIS as a problem is funny.

          • Texas Patriot

            You’re on a roll. Keep it up.

    • Virgil Hilts

      “Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions.” G.K. Chesterton.

  • I_Am_Me

    Outstanding essay. If I was a betting man, I’d say that as soon as China starts the next war in Asia, another anti-Western false narrative will be invented in defense of multiculturalism.

    • NSNZ

      I heard just this week that 60,000 births per day are recorded in China. I know that NZ is importing wholesale many ‘expanding’ young Chinese, Hence, I would suggest the number worldwide to be at least 100k per day! Multi-chinese-culturalism is being very industrious indeed.

  • wildjew

    This is a great piece but it is not just liberals who believe in a moderate Islam. Fox news analysts and contributors do as well. If it wasn’t for the angry denunciations from counter-jihadists, Bill O’Reilly and others would still be bringing on CAIR activists / jihadists to explain moderate Islam to the Fox News audience. If it is liberals who believe there is a moderate Islam – I do not doubt this is true – then George W. Bush, John McCain, Mitt Romney are liberals.

    • The March Hare

      Yes, all three of them are liberal to one degree or another. McCain especially. Remember when Romney said we should index the minimum wage to the inflation rate? He didn’t know any different because he didn’t truly understand the difference between the ideologies of the left and right. He is just sorta generally to the right.

      • wildjew

        I voted for Romney November 2012 – what was my choice? He was very disappointing on Islam and Israel. He said nice things about Israel and Jerusalem but in the end, he sent Senator Jim Talent to fight conservative Christians on our national platform writing committee (Tampa) for the Palestinian 2 state solution / cause which is about obliterating Israel. Then there was his distinction between what he called “jihadism” and true Islam.

        • The March Hare

          I did too. There wasn’t any other choice except to sit home and let the leftists have it. The leftists spend their lives training for this in organizations like the Midwest academy and their hundreds and hundreds of groups and organizations, and we send up whoever we can coerce into going up against the smear and degradation machine.

          • El Cid

            All of which demonstrates that we need a leader, not a democrat or a republican, who takes this issue seriously and makes it a national agenda. This is a matter of national survival.

      • Ace

        He was clueless. He didn’t even know to point out that Romenycare was within the power of the state to enact and that this distinguished it from Obamacare, for which there was no authority in the U.S. Constitution.

        About the only thing that was authentically conservative about him was his faith-based opposition to public nudity. Nothing else in the socialist/communist game plan seemed to bother him.

        But, let’s no worry. He was a strong front runner in a recent presidential candidacy poll.

        • gray_man

          “He didn’t even know to point out that Romenycare was within the power of the state to enact and that this distinguished it from Obamacare, for which there was no authority in the U.S. Constitution.”

          Not true.
          He pointed that out several times early in his campaign.

          • Ace

            I stand corrected. Thank you.

          • gray_man

            You are welcome.

    • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

      A lot of Republicans are really liberals. At least they’ve absorbed liberal ideas. Most people living in the West today have.

      • Yehuda Levi

        So, what is the answer to Islam? We can’t, and don’t want to, kill them all.

        In my opinion, we defeat militarily the radicals which should motivate the survivors to modify the militancy and brutality of Islam. Hopefully many Muslims become apostates, but with over a billion of them, this is not going to happen soon.

        You are right that Islam is the problem, but what is the solution?

        • IslamDownpressesHumanity

          After over a thousand years of continuous islamic brutality, violence and oppression do you really think it’s possible to “modify” islam? How would you have gone about modifying nazism to make it palatable? How do you go about modifying a fundamentally totalitarian, supremacist, antisemitic ideology and make it good?

          • Yehuda Levi

            Then what is the solution? Kill them all?

          • MN dude

            Well a less extreme (but still extreme) solution would be for those of us who want freedom from Islam and socialism to secede and form our own country. If Scotland can secede with 5 million people why can’t we get enough people together and move someplace?

          • truebearing

            Muslims will destroy a small country faster than a large country. The hope is that we can educate people on the realities of Islam and unite against them, before it is too late. Breaking up into smaller groups plays right into their hands.

          • MukeNecca

            Moslems don’t destroy countries because they are small. It is not the size that makes a difference here. After all, Israel is not exactly a giant and has been kicking moslem butt on the regular basis since its very beginning as a Very Small Country. Moslems destroy nations that have problem with asserting their cultural and historical identity and are not prepared to defend it. The countries that accept only one form of defence – apology. The countries where honour, patriotism, pride, tradition are ridiculed, scorned and showed contempt by the cast of PC priests who over the years of slow, but relentless penetration of institutions, media and
            administration has succeed in perverting the very language in which national ethos can be expressed replacing it with the Orwellian NewSpeak. These countries may have the strongest military and industry, except that these are not assets, indeed they are useless, as the war waged against these countries doesn’t take place on battle fields, seas or in the air. In fact it is misleading to say that moslems wage direct war against the West. It
            is more correct to see the Islamic invasion as a consequence of the defeat the Conservative America has suffered in the culture wars against the Left. The wars that ended with the Left gaining total control over the language and
            consequently over the debate. It is impossible to defend old values with the NewSpeak – the language which has been tailored to express new “progressive truths”. That’s why a simple old truth, namely that a nation has the right to
            discriminate between groups of people, so it welcomes some cultures, or religions and bars other from entering its ancestral home is branded as “hate speech” and bigotry. It is that perverse situation that opens wide borders to moslem invasion and no coast guard or military can do anything about it.

            The first stage of Islam’s war against America is “peaceful invasion” which Islam fights by proxy, or the Left. It is these Liberal/Leftist forces that the nation needs to recognize as its primary enemy. These forces need to be battled and defeated today. Waiting for tomorrow must bring about a civil war and all its horrors.

          • truebearing

            I agree with most of your comment, but Israel is unique in the bond most of its citizens have, both religiously and from the experience of centuries of persecution. Israel, for the most part, has always been aware of survival in the midst of enemies. It has far greater unity than the US.

            The US can’t be overwhelmed militarily…yet. It is vulnerable to internal threats from first the Left, then Islam. My point is that a large country united against Islam is far more effective than a balkanized region squabbling amongst themselves. We’re nearly there now.

            If the US were to fall, Israel would be hard pressed to fend off Turkey, Iran, et al, all by itself. One nuke can destroy a small country. A large country can retaliate. A unified large country simply has more potential to survive or win in a war of any kind.

          • MukeNecca

            I think we may be talking “past each other”. My point is that in a “traditional” war, a war fought between two countries militaries, the Moslem armies are hopelessly inferior to their modern Western counterpart as clearly demonstrated by tiny Israel consistently thrashing the Moslems in all her wars.

            As it happens Israel is the only modern country militarily attacked by moslem countries. But these countries would have suffered the same humiliation had they ventured to attack militarily any other modern western country – with a possible exception of Monte Carlo, or Lichtenstein.

            Moslems are aware of their fighting inferiority and that’s why they, very sensibly, choose to conquer the West by much slower, but in the long run much more efficient and safer, strategy of “demographic assault”, which their host nations, by now almost completely defeated by the Left in the Culture Wars and having the natural instinct of survival paralyzed by the PC and Multikulti dogma, are unable to counter.

            In principle, if the moslems rein in their “extremists”, even regularly condemning their excesses for having nothing to do with the real Islam, they may win the West without firing a single bullet, or having a bullet fired at them.

            Which, I think, makes your point that West eventually may succumb to the superior forces of Moslem armies attacking it from outside moot.

            You are of course right noting that “Israel is unique in the bond most of its citizens have, both religiously and from the experience of centuries of persecution… It has far greater unity than the US”. Absolutely!

            But you also need to be aware that the major unifying principle of Israeli people is a concrete immediate threat of military attack by her Moslem neighbours. Nothing of the kind threatens the US, Denmark, Australia, or Italy, or Finland…But I think that had such threat became real we would see these nations as internally unified as Israel is now.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            India has had at least three wars with Pakistan, one of which was triggered by the genocide of Hindus in (E. Pakistan, i.e. Bangladesh in 1971). The first (in 1965) involved insurgencies (funded and facilitated by Pakistan) in Kashmir and Jammu. The last, in 1999, involved another islamic insurgency in Kashmir funded and facilitated by Pakistan. India has the honor of being the non-moslem state most afflicted by islamic terrorism.

          • MukeNecca

            You are of course right. India is another country, beside Israel, that has been attacked by moslem country in the past.
            But India is rather big (not only as compared to Israel) so I didn’t mention India as it would not underscore my point, which is that islamic countries are militarily vastly inferior to their modern Western counterparts – even if the latter are much smaller.

          • MN dude

            Yes, right now Islam and the Left and the indifferent are allied to destroy us. My thinking was if we organize and secede, we can live in a functional free society. The Leftist/Islamic society will decay and eventually the Muslims will start killing the Leftists and each other.

          • MukeNecca

            “…if we organize and secede, we can live in a functional free society.if we organize and secede, we can live in a functional free society.

            An interesting thought, unfortunately limited to big and not too densely populated countries.
            Incidentally, the idea has been considered and explored in detail by Lawrence Auster who, to my mind, has offered the most clear, sober and realistic solution to the “problem of Islam”. The man has died last year, but his website and the archives are accessible under http://www.amnation.com/vfr/. I encourage you to visit it.

          • Ace

            That is surrender.

          • truebearing

            A solution is commensurate with the extent of the problem. If all Muslims did was shoplift, we would have them arrested, fined, and jailed for a few days. When their stated goal is committing genocide world wide, there can only be a commensurate reponse… or suicidal surrender. We are given no choice by their choice. We may not have to kill them all, but at least enough to eliminate the threat.

            Those who exercise their free will by doing good things will only increase the options of others. Those who do evil things force would be victims to do things they would normally be loathe to do — the exigencies of survival.

            The moral onus is on the evil ones who negated the free choice of others by reducing any choice to a matter of survival.

          • Lee

            For what it’s worth, my view is Muhammad must be publicly exposed world-wide as the terrorist, head-chopping mass-murderer, rapist, pedophile, torturer, enslaving and slave-trading thief described in Islam’s texts.

            Call me naive, but I think Muslims – for the most part – can be shamed out of following the worst criminal in recorded human history. I’ve helped maybe 4 or 5 Muslims leave Islam after discussing Muhammad, and while I acknowledge this is a tiny sample, I wonder if most Muslims remain ignorant or willfully blind until someone forces the truth in their faces (in a friendly way).

            But of course this can only occur if civilized countries are prepared to allow open discussion about Muhammad, and the msm currently censors any discussion of him.

            In the interim, the rise of political parties or politicians in civilized countries to promote the banning of entry of Muslims who refuse to denounce Muhammad’s crimes (leading them to fail the character test) could give Muslims pause for thought, and protect the rest of us.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            Considering the moslems haven’t been shamed by the millions of Hindus, Christians and other assorted najjis kaffir they’ve slaughtered in Bangladesh, E. Timor and the Sudan (genocides all) since the 1970’s and the ethnic cleansing of Jews and Christians from the Mid-East and N. Africa I’ll feel free to call you naive.

          • Lee

            Fair point, but how often (since the rise of the mass-media, and 9/11 particularly) has Muhammad and his death-cult been held up as a *valid* example and cult to follow? A: By all Presidents and world-leaders.

            Given this ultimate validation, why should Muslims give up something they’ve been raised to think is part of their identity?

            Now think about the effect of public shaming v. public validation – the effect for example on the KKK, whose diminishing members must hide their thoughts from mainstream society or be shunned and sidelined from jobs etc, and know the mainstream views them as vile lunatics.

            You might be right that Muslims have been so indoctrinated into criminal values that they cannot be salvaged, but my (very limited) experience is otherwise, and without mainstream condemnation of Muhammad I think it’s difficult to know. Certainly mainstream mass-media condemnation is way overdue. (Though of course Presidents of the distant past and leaders like Ataturk and Churchill condemned Muhammad and his cult.)

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            I’ve read allegations that Ataturk was complicit in the pogrom against Greeks in Turkey.
            Moslems condemn mohammud? Don’t make me laugh. The whole idea is not only ludicrous but criminal in every last moslem state on the face of this earth today.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            Outlaw their faith, deport them, destroy their mosques. Exactly as Mr. Meir Kahane proposed decades ago. He was right and that’s why the moslems killed him AND his son.

          • kevinstroup

            Why not?

          • Billiam

            The solution is to confine them to one area, where they already are. Allow NO Muslim to emigrate to a western nation. Oh, and give Israel the best weapons we have. Israel has a right to exist, contrary to what the ‘religion of peace’ says.

          • Lilyrose

            Eviction and containment to their part of the world. Sorry to say this is not without damage.

        • ObamaYoMoma

          The way I see it is the infidel world has two options: either kill all Muslims to destroy the ideology of Islam, or otherwise disarm it to make it defenseless, render it into total abject poverty by confiscating the oilfields, which is justifiable because they will inevitably use the revenues derived thereof to fund jihad, and then for the infidel world to totally isolate the Islamic totalitarian world until such time as Islam as a force ceases to exist within that society.

          • ConcernedCitizen999

            Your option 2 was spelled out very clearly in 1975 when it should have been put into effect. It’s not too late. We just don’t have leadership that can see the absolute necessity of…
            “Seizing Arab Oil” by Miles Ignotus aka Henry Kissinger.
            http://stashbox.org/1549961/Harpers_SeizingArabOil_Kissinger%286%29.pdf

            Removing the petro-dollar funding for Islam will weaken it significantly and go a long way towards making possible the final eradication of the evil ideology of Islam.

        • Ace

          Apartheid. Deportation. Population transfer. Exclusion. Destruction of mosques. Defining Islam in Western countries as treason per se. Anything less merely delays the inevitable disaster from failing to recognize Islam as the loathsome political system that it is.

        • gray_man

          “So, what is the answer to Islam? We can’t, and don’t want to, kill them all.”

          Who says ?
          Use the same tactics they use.
          Convert or die.
          When you have a cancer, you destroy it in it’s entirety.

        • Jakareh

          The same as the solution to Nazism. After World War II, some Germans remained Nazis in thought, but they could no longer do it in word or deed. If Islam is treated the same way—and it certainly deserves to be—it will die out in a few generations.

        • walterbyrd

          Why not just get out of the mid-east, and stop immigration from Muslim countries (except in very rare and unusual circumstances)?

          When I say get out, I mean: no troops, no sales of military weapons or supplies, no foreign aid (except for natural disasters and the like), no embassies, no journalists.

          Does it really matter if Sunni crazies, or Shia crazies, are in charge this week? Over, and over again: the good guys one day are our enemies the next; and we end up bombing our own guns.

          I think Osama bin-Laden, and Saddam Hussein, were our buddies at one time. Remember everybody applauding for “Arab Spring?” I think that even Kuwait hates us now.

          Why not just leave the crazies to kill one another, if that’s what the want to do.

          If the US gets involved, *everything* will be blamed on the US. It will be called an invasion. The world will accuse the US of killing innocent civilians so the US can steal mid-east oil. Same thing happens every time, but we never seem to learn.

          The costs to the US are enormous. Thousands of lives, billions of dollars. And, in the end, they hate us even more, and we are even less safe.

          Buy mid-east oil and that’ s it.. We have no other business there.

        • Richard

          The solution starts with two basic premises: 1) exclude them from immigration rights and 2) stop meddling in their affairs. Both are required, but alas they are supported from opposite sides of our own political spectrum. The Libertarian movement (the real one, not the “corporate” kind) comes pretty close to addressing things rationally.

        • gwsmith

          We are stymied by our first amendment and afraid to allow our second. As Franklyn said, “A Republic, If you can hold it.” The Constitution will not fail, but the people will.

        • http://flyingtigercomics.wordpress.com/ Flying Tiger Comics

          we don’t? I do. they are the enemy and must be destroyed. if there’s a lot of them then so much more reason to get started now.

        • Pray Hard

          Who knows? But, we must recognize the problem first. The problem does not have widespread recognition yet.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Sean Hannity, along with Fox news, is one of the greatest proliferators of misinformation on the subject of Islam and Muslims in America today.

      • mtmla

        I totally agree. They all talk about islam being hijacked by terrorists…Lies, lies.

      • Gordon Fraser

        Isn’t Saudi Arabia a major partner in News Corp? I’d say they’re trying desperately to find a ‘third way’ which compromises neither. It’s just business.

        • ObamaYoMoma

          Yeah that same Saudi Prince that Rudy said tried to bribe him into blaming Israel as being the root cause behind the 9/11 violent jihad attacks bought a huge stake in News Corp.

  • Guest

    “Moderate Islam is a difficult faith. To believe in it you have to disregard over a thousand years of recorded history, theology, demographics and just about everything that predates 1965.”

    “Their Islam is a religion that does not exist, but that they fervently believe must exist because without it their way of life is as doomed as the dodo.”

    Loved it, and I think it accurately sums up the lies that Liberals tell themselves so that they can keep living in their bubble and not face reality.

  • Gbrandstetter

    “Moderate Islam is a difficult faith. To believe in it you have to disregard over a thousand years of recorded history, theology, demographics and just about everything that predates 1965.”

    “Their Islam is a religion that does not exist, but that they fervently believe must exist because without it their way of life is as doomed as the dodo.”

    Loved it, and I think it accurately sums up the lies that Liberals tell themselves so that they can keep living in their bubble and not confront reality.

  • ConcernedCitizen999

    Now, please call Sean Hannity immediately and tell HIM that the radical/moderate Muslim dichotomy is a figment of his imagination – his politically correct, magical thinking, delusional, self-righteous, holier-than-thou, Christian utopian, superstitious, enemy propaganda influenced, taqiyya warped, petro-dollar bought and paid for… imagination.

    • gray_man

      Actually, there are a lot of “moderate” muslims. They do not practice islime.
      What there is not, is “moderate” islime.

  • joe kulak

    I’m told that if you leave a quarter under your pillow the Tooth Fairy will find you a moderate Muslim.

    • IslamDownpressesHumanity

      LOL, that was good.

  • longplay

    This is another example of the Left believing in things that do not, and cannot, exist, i.e. minds developed completely independent of their surroundings, and rational thought without a basis for rationality.

    • Virgil Hilts

      ‘Archie Bunker’ expressed it this way..while confronting ‘Meat Head’.
      “Faith is something that no one in their right mind would believe!”

    • LiberalLeanings

      I am not saying minds develop independently from their surroundings, but I will say education is a handy counter to surroundings, e.g. A young Muslim man may hear grotesque things about the west at home from his parents, but a good education about the west may counteract that.
      I don’t understand your second point I’m afraid. Basis for rationality? Do you mean rational thought must be based on some authority, or that you need to have justification for using rationality as opposed to something like blind faith?

      • longplay

        I would say that rational thought needs to rest on some authority, or pre-existing truths.

        “Jewish/Christian doctrine that unquestioning faith and submission to authority is the only way to be a good person.”

        I wouldn’t characterize that as a doctrine of Christianity. Even so, we all submit to some authority, and if each person submits only to his own authority, you have anarchy.

        • LiberalLeanings

          Aww, my long reply got moderated it seems. Anyway the condensed version:
          There are multiple scriptures which say obedience to God is the only way to appease Him.

          Agreed on some pre-existing truths/concepts needed as basis, but I believe that humanity should be able to figure those out on our own.
          On the baby and the bathwater thing 1 point I want to make is how can you distinguish between the two? “””””Moderate”””””” (yes, I read and agree with article hence the inverted commas) Muslims would say that the jihadists are distorted Koran teachings. How can you tell which one is baby and which water? Unless your using some other criteria to differentiate the two?
          1 last point: Stalin and Hitler (the people I’m going to presume are your “isms” of the 20th century) did what they did because of political beliefs and lack of morals, not because of atheism or in the name of atheism, a vast difference to religious violence which is done in the name of allah/jesus/zeus etc.
          Good debate so far, I’m enjoying hearing your points.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            Um if you don’t think Stalin, or Pol Pot, or Chairman Mao went out of their way to persecute/murder Christians and Jews you’re insane. In their Communist states you were either on-board w/atheism (a central tenet of Communism) or you were an enemy of the state.

          • LiberalLeanings

            Of course they persecuted religions, but an important point to make is that they did this mainly because the church was an authority over which they had no control, not because of their overwhelming need to crush people of other faiths a la Crusades or Spanish Inquisition.
            If they had gained control over the Vatican/orthodox churches they would probably have been quite happy to administer the opium of the people.

            Honestly this isn’t my main point. Evil people can be found of every faith and colour and class and caste the world over. If you want a running tally of casualties caused by atheism vs. religion I’m pretty sure we both know whats killed more. (Crusades, Inquisitions, Spanish Conquest, Muslim infighting, Hindu vs Muslim in India, Northern Ireland, etc vs dubious claims about the motivations of communist dictators.)

  • drygoldfeld

    Thank you for a an excellent formulation of moderate Islam !

  • bob smith

    “Moderate Islam isn’t what most Muslims believe. It’s what most liberals believe that Muslims believe.”

    Precisely!

    It is the liberal ideology ensconced within revisionist history lessons whereby the territorial maps of the past are replaced with present day maps. There has been no advancement of Islam throughout the world since the 7th C Arabia (the sole Arabic land of the day). There were no three crusades in defense of Christianity. There was no battle of Levanto.

    All the muslim lands of the world today were there from the dawn of mankind. Hence, they were born of ‘moderation’.

    Pardon me while I vomit.

  • Virgil Hilts

    From The Article: The degraded lefty descendants of Christians and Jews wait for a
    moderate Muslim messiah who will reconcile the impossibilities of their
    multicultural society by healing the conflicts between Islam and the
    West. Until then they find him, it necessary to believe, not in a
    divinity, but in the moderate Muslim.
    But…but…isn’t Obama supposed to be that “Moderate Muslim Messiah?

    • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

      he was… didn’t work out too well

      • Virgil Hilts

        Well…at least from OUR viewpoint…for the lemmings…he’s god-on-a-stick!

  • steve b

    THE DEFINITION OF A MODERATE MUSLIM IS ONE THAT IS NO LONGER BREATHING. IT IS TIME FOR THE UNITED STATES AND OTHER WESTERN COUNTRIES TO CONVERT ALL OF THE MUSLIMS INTO MODERATES.

  • Big_Foot

    he treats them as reflections of his ego

    Reminds me of something Senator Patty Murray (D-Wash) said a few years back about Osama bin Laden being popular because he had paid for, among other things, “day care facilities”. In saying this, she was essentially projecting Western left-wing values onto Muslims. In reality, someone like bin Laden would confine women in their homes, which would made day care facilities superfluous.

    • IslamDownpressesHumanity

      Either Patty Murphy is corrupt, ignorant, incredibly stupid or a combination of the three.

    • B__2

      Day Care Centre = Madrassa, where impressionable young minds are taught that the only book worth reading and remembering verbatim is the Qur’an, even if you can’t read you need to be able to recite it from memory. In this Islamic Day Care Centre, children are taught that the Jews are the worst possible people, that Kuffar need to be struck on the neck (beheaded), and that Muslims are the best of all people and yet are being oppressed in all parts of the world by non-muslims.

      In short, were Osama bin Laden talking about the ‘day care facilities’, they would be teaching the hate that would be found being preached in any minbar in any mosque around the world. I don’t think this is praiseworthy as Patty Murray thinks it should be.

  • arishsahani

    As per islamic tinker West has no chance to survive .He said how west can win this war when their own local converts will start call for ” Allah o Akber” in each street of USA. Will USA will drop it bombs in own streets.

  • Debbie G

    My son and I were recently having a discussion on the question of “moderate” muslims. This really clarifies the issue. They can now join the club that includes “moderate” Christians and Jews.
    Thanks Daniel.

  • Rondo

    “If you put a young God-fearing Muslim in a room
    with an Islamic radical and an Islamic moderate, both trying
    to win over the young person’s soul, the radical would
    win again and again. It is because the canon –
    hadiths, sira and Koran – are massively stacked in
    favor of the radical position. Yes, there are violent
    passages in the Bible too, but it is an uphill battle to
    build a violent theology based on them. With the Koran,
    building a violent theology is like rolling balls down a
    hill. It is a huge uphill struggle building a
    “moderate” Islamic theology on the basis of the
    Islamic canon alone.”

    Mark Durie

  • ricpic

    The liberals’ insistence on Moderate Islam only succeeds because the great majority of apolitical Americans are ignorant, abysmally so, of Islam’s thousand year history of endless head chopping aggression against infidels. Remember, “History is Bunk.” This the great majority do believe. Which makes them defenseless against any spurious bill of goods.

    • William

      Americans of all political persuasions are generally ignorant of Muslims. Most have never seen a Muslim outside of the war propaganda in the media. When they think of a Muslim they picture a scary jihadi in their mind’s eye.

      • IslamDownpressesHumanity

        Then move to Syria or Iraq or Northern Nigeria or the Sudan or Somalia, or Pakistain, or Bangladesh, no one here will miss your propaganda.

      • iluvisrael

        wrong bozo – I’ve read the koran – when’s the moslem reformation?

  • Manial

    The few moderate Muslims that I know are ex-Muslims confused about God and Religion but very interested in Christianity.

    • IslamDownpressesHumanity

      I don’t believe Wafa Sultan or Aayan Hirsi describe themselves as moslem anymore, which is one of the reasons Wafa Sultan had a death fatwah pronounced on her by a cleric of the “moderate” Alawite sect.

  • El Cid

    Perfectly stated. The same people who can believe Obama when he speaks believe that Islam is a religion of Peace despite all the evidence to the contrary.

  • ConcernedCitizen999

    All men are created equal ???
    Might account for the “accelerated decrepitude” of your education system.

    Try reading “Racism, Guilt, Self-Hatred and Self-Deceit” by Gedaliah Braun.

  • Michael Garfinkel

    Some comments refer to the mordant humor of this piece, but I can’t find any humor.

    The phenomenon described here is nothing less than monstrous.

    Perhaps the most stark, and indeed defining example of this mind-set occurred in the 2004 murder/beheading of Nicholas Berg by the Islamic terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

    The young victim’s father, socialist Michael Berg, issued statements extolling the humanity and the “personal connection” al-Zarqawi must have felt with his victim, and Mr. Berg condemned – George Bush.

    But there’s more; when al-Zarqawi was killed in an American air strike in 2006, Michael Berg expressed his regret and condolences. I’m not sure for whom his condolences were meant.

    Yes, to consider this is a stomach-churning event, but the fetid darkness it represents is not exclusive to Mr. Berg.

    It’s there when Wolf Blitzer describes the shelling of an Israeli kindergarten by Hamas as an “alleged” war crime.

    It infuses the U.N., the Western academy, the Media, and of course, the Obama administration – and it’s an evil every bit as dark as the vicious acts it seeks to excuse.

    • Pete

      Nicholas Berg was a very smart guy. He was intelligent, but not wise. He had a degree in electrical engineering and a very good degree at that. Unfortunately he fell victim to the anti-America scheisse that pervades academia, media, the arts and the general culture.

      • Michael Garfinkel

        Ya think?

        • Pete

          Yup,

          Int 15 to 18,
          Wis 3 to 6

          Academia is not solely at fault. Like Bergdahl, the anti-Americanism started at home. If you listen to Mr Berg’s father and Bergdahl’s father, you can see the connection.

          • Yehuda Levi

            Actually, intelligence without wisdom does not equal “smart.” And you are right that Nicholas did not fall far from the tree. His father blamed Bush, but only to keep from blaming himself.

            Leftists, like Obama and Berg’s father, never want to accept the blame for anything.

          • Pete

            Mr Berg was a wonder to behold. He had his B.S. in electrical engineering. He also had further work in antenna design etc. I don’t know if he had a M.S. Mr Berg had considerable engineering talent and I have an inkling of how accomplished he was. And now it is all wasted because he thought he could simple say “Bush’s fault and I am here to help”.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            It just goes to show knowledge isn’t wisdom.

          • Pete

            “Berg attended four universities: Cornell, Drexel, the University of Pennsylvania, and the University of Oklahoma.”

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Berg

            I was re-reading his wiki entry. I will still say the Mr Nick Berg was smart in a bookish sort of way. If we did not need that type of knowledge, then we should just get rid of degree programs for STEM subjects.

            However, 4 universities for a 4 year degrees (although engineering does take many people 4.5 to 5 years), it raises a lot of red flags. I would posit that he had a troubled life. He was smart, but troubled.

  • Pete

    If is such a scientific fact than why did the “experts” down play the Medieval Warming Period? They said it was local phenomena. Later it was proven global.

    Why did the East Anglia Climate Research Unit ignore ‘FOIA’ requests and destroy emails.

    Why did ‘experts’ disparage Roy Spencers ionization affecting cloud formation thesis only to have it confirmed by CERN.

    A model is a poor or bias model that consistently under or over predicts. If the U3 stat consistently under predicts unemployment, if the BLS consistently overestimates GDP, if the climate models consistently overpredict temperature, these are bad models.

  • William

    So, that jihadi-looking guy with his bible and a gun is a ‘moderate Muslim’? What a load of racist propaganda. I doubt the author has ever known a Muslim personally.

    • CDM

      So says the very example of what Mr. Greenfield is writing about.

      “When you challenge Islam, you are attacking multiculturalism and he will call you a racist, regardless of the fact that Islam is as much of a race as Communism, Nazism or the Mickey Mouse Fan Club were races.”

      Did you miss that, Bill?

      • William

        I’ve challenged Islam, in questioning my Muslim friends about the religion. Want to make a Muslim squirm? Just ask him where Muhammed’s bones are buried. What I meant by racism is that Islamophobia is rooted in antisemitism, a fear of Semitic people and their religions. Nobody is more islamophobic than the Christian radical right, which is stupid because Islam and Christianity both come from the Jewish religion.

        • CDM

          Here is one of your problems: You toss around words like “islamophobia” and “radical right” like it’s some kind of trump card. It isn’t. You mean it as if it is some kind of irrational fear, the definition of phobia. I contend that fear of Islam, and what it stands for, is very rational.

          As for where Mohammad’s bones are, that’s easy, no one knows. Ibn Ishaq’s biography says he was buried where he died, out in the desert somewhere. As for your friends, are they really Muslim? Do they get out the prayer rug and pray five times a day? You want to make your friends really squirm, ask them to explain why Muslims pray five times a day.

          Your connection between being anti-Islam and antisemitism is tenuous. Islam has really nothing to do with either Christianity or Judaism. Yes, Mohammed knew enough of those two to adopt some of the trappings and lore. If he had known of the Norse gods, he probably would have incorporated that too. What you really don’t get is that Muslims are, more or less, following a 7th Century personality cult.

          • William

            A few of the Muslims I have known pray 5 times a day, though most here in the West are moderate Muslims with modern, more secular lifestyles and who attend Mosque only once a week on Fridays.

            By ‘islamophobia’ i mean an irrational fear of Muslims. In psychological terms, a phobia is an irrational fear. And yes I know that Islam is basically a Muhammed cult based on the Abrahamic tradition: Judaism and Christianity. IMO the only difference between a cult and a religion is the size of its membership.

          • CDM

            Islam is more than just a religion, it’s an entire social order. There is, at least, a theological basis for the separation of church and state in Christianity. I am not so steeped in Judaism to say the same, so Jewish people, help me out here. In Islam, there is no separation of church and state because the church is the state. There is no room or need of democracy because the Koran has all the law that will ever be needed.

            BTW, hot off the wires, some more of that irrational fear we are speaking of:

            http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29038217

          • William

            Muslims also vote and participate in the democratic process.
            Really, they are just like any other people. Sure, there are some who are theocratic, but if you ask them most will tell you that they support a form of democratic government and secular society where religious freedom is protected. Just like people of other religions. You can’t let a few bad apples spoil the barrel.

          • CDM

            And I would contend that those you speak of who actually believe that are not really Muslims. And some who would say that they want religious freedom actually mean for their own religion only. Until they have a majority. Just ask the Jews who live in places like Iraq, Syria, or any other majority Muslim country. Oh, you can’t because they were all expelled by force. Ask the Christians living in Egypt, Iraq, etc. or the Zoroastrians in Iran how that freedom of religion is working out for them.

            Islam is the only religion which, to this very day, calls for the death of it’s own for apostasy. A Christian or a Jew has nothing to fear if some other religion has more appeal than they’re own. When you talk about apples, you ignore that it’s the barrel that’s rotten.

          • William

            Seems you understand the problems when religion takes over a state and becomes the government, but cannot accept that Muslims are people like anyone else

            There are moderates who believe Muhammed was a prophet and go to Mosque but do not go around beheading people. I lived in a Sunni dominated part of the world under sharia law and I never felt threatened. Just like anywhere, if you treat people with respect they will treat you in kind.

          • CDM

            Oh, I do know that they are people and they have same foibles that all people have. One of them is accepting at face value whatever they are told to believe. Do I think that the guy at the Dunkin Donuts down the street is going to serve my head to me instead of a coffee? Not likely. But if he ever decides to, he at least has religious justification for it.

          • William

            Religion may be a justification for killing someone but it’s no excuse. People who kill in the name of religion are mentally ill.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            What’s your excuse for mohammud’s slaughter and enslavement of the Jews of Khybar Taqiyya Pet Junior?

          • CDM

            Now we’re getting somewhere. There is a certain absolutist mindset that you might call mental illness for someone who is so certain that they are following God’s command in killing other people. I think though, that these same people would pass any clinical test with flying colors.

            The problem here is that, if you’re a Muslim, God’s will is made plain as day in the Koran and in the Hadith through the acts of Mohammed, who is the most perfect of human beings. Included in that is the killing, taxing or conversion of unbelievers and the killing of apostates, homosexuals, heretics and wives who talk back too much (actually you’re only supposed to beat them).

            You might say that you don’t buy into all that, but that only makes you a heretic in the eyes of what you might call the literalists, like ISIS, the Taliban, Hamas, etc. The Yazidis call themselves Muslims and it hasn’t spared them. In Catholicism, it’s the Pope who represents what that religion stands for. In Islam, it’s whoever has the most guns and is the most ruthless in using them. In the West, we stopped having religious wars over Christianity several hundreds of years ago. In Islam, they haven’t stopped.

          • William

            A lot of Americans feel that the war on terror is really a war between Islam and the West. That’s a problem with religion, it confuses people and they will pick and choose the parts of their religion that support their personal and political agendas. And sometimes the agenda is religious supremacy.

          • CDM

            The problem is not religion, per se. The problem is that Islam has a manifest destiny built-in that the entire world should become Muslim, whether they like it or not, and is the only religion that actually says so explicitly. Some want to use terror and others demographics, but the end goal is the same. Christians would like others to become Christians, but Christianity is something you’re supposed to come to voluntarily, through reason and faith. So, yes, the agenda here is religious supremacy.

            People pick and choose what they want to believe in all things, not just religion. It takes a lot effort to hold your own beliefs up to reality and try to knock them down. Most don’t bother. A lot are afraid to find that what they accepted their whole lives is just plain wrong.

          • gray_man

            “A lot of Americans feel that the war on terror is really a war between Islam and the West.”
            Of course they do.
            Because it is.

            News flash !!! Muslims think the same thing !!!
            Of course they do.
            Because it is.

          • gray_man

            “Just like anywhere, if you treat people with respect they will treat you in kind.”

            Fairy tale nonsense.

          • William

            It’s reality. It’s how humans behave.

          • gray_man

            In your fantasy utopia perhaps.
            A simple study of history shows your ignorance.
            Name one time in history when there was no warfare on the earth somewhere.

          • gray_man

            Those “few bad apples” equal many millions.
            And according to is-slime the are the good apples.

        • Pete

          A b@stardized version of something does not come from that something. It is merely something that was expropriated by someone for their agenda.

          • Yehuda Levi

            “Just like anywhere, if you treat people with respect they will treat you in kind.” William

            The naiveté of a leftist on full display. I am sure both of the beheaded American journalists treated “people with respect” but were butchered anyway.

            The story is right in front of his face, and he has the audacity to write something that stupid. He should write that comment to the dead American’s mother.

          • Pete

            I once saw someone who just infuriated everyone at Fox news forum After an hour or so, he said I didn’t mean what I wrote, I was just having fun, I’m off for works so got to leave,

            William is infected with a bad meme(s), he’s trolling or he is just dumb.

        • IslamDownpressesHumanity

          Why don’t you try publicly challenging islam from within the borders of any islamic state? Come on, put your money where your mouth is.

        • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

          Anti-semitism refers to hatred of Jews. Not hatred of Semitic peoples.

        • gray_man

          Is-slime does not come from the Jewish religion.
          allah is a Babylonian pagan “god”.
          And muslims pray 5 times a day to the kaba in mecca.
          The kaba is a pagan idol.
          muha-mud CBUH (curses be upon him) stole bits and pieces of Judaism and Christianity to try and legitimize himself, and is-slime.
          Christians believe a lot of the Jewish faith, and they have a lot in common, but Christianity comes from Christ, not the Jewish religion.

    • NonPCconservative

      Oh please bless us with your weighty pontification, oh wise one. I have worked, and still work, all over the world, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Nigeria, Sudan, Qatar, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Ethiopia, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Oman, Bangladesh, Malaysia and have lived in Indonesia for the last twenty years but please start telling me about both the Muslim’s you “know”.

      • IslamDownpressesHumanity

        WHy don’t we talk to the najjis kaffir unfortunate enough to live in any of the islamic hellholes you mentioned? That is, if there are any left.

    • iluvisrael

      Are you a professional useful idiot?

  • CDM

    Maybe you can enlighten us on why, of the first five Caliphs, only one died of natural causes.

  • James Foard

    THE PEOPLE THAT TIME FORGOT – An unknown, ancient civilization of “peaceful muslims” is discovered living deep within the halls of liberal academia. This is a sequel to the original “John Carter of Mecca”, a fantasy so outlandish that even critics panned it as hopelessly unrealistic in it’s portrayal of Islam as a peaceful religion.

  • IslamDownpressesHumanity

    Ever heard the phrase actions speak louder than words mohammud? Who should we believe mohammud? You? Or our lying najjis kaffir eyes?

  • Waiting

    One of many quotable truths from the article: “The new multicultural theology of the West is moderate Islam. Moderate
    Islam is the perfect religion for a secular age since it isn’t a
    religion at all.”

    Men (and women) were created with the need to worship/have faith in our Creator. Without exercising faith, throwing off the religions of their forefathers, men are left with a big hole in their lives.
    Both the religion of the Jews and that of Christians call for men to do good things, such as respect others and their property and to acknowledge that they have a responsibility to their Creator for how they treat other people.

    Islam does no such thing. In the devout muslim mind, everything bad is what he should be doing. It is license to kill, commit adultery, take the property of others, rape…everything opposite to what the Bible commands of men. And to force as many others to go along with it and approve as possible Just like gangs that look for more boys to join the gang, to increase their feelings of justification in what they do.
    It then gives the excuse to the non-believer in anything, because he can recognize, even if he won’t admit it, that islam doesn’t ask him to do good or face the consequences. He pretends that it is equal to the religion of his forefathers and since it asks nothing of him, even better.

    Excellent article as always.

  • Elizabeth Levesque

    thanks for hitting the nail on the proverbial head Mr. Greenfield. And I love the reference to the Unitarian Sociologist wearing the fake native jewelry. Priceless,

  • Daniel L. Levy

    This remarkably thoughtful article must be understood to be about the impossibility of a moderate mainstream Islam. It overlooks, or rather totally ignores, the amazing diversity of divergent versions of Islam spun and bred in the buzzing spiritual factories of India and Turkey. To name a few, the Druze of the Levant, the Ahmadis of India and beyond, and the Alevis of Turkey are truly, genuinely moderate, which is why they are are considered apostates, infidels, and heretics by the mainstream Sunni and Shi’ia factions alike.
    The true Reformed Islam is, regrettably, the present fundamentalistic Jihadi morph. It is a threat to all previous currents of the mainstream, even, as we have seen in the news recently, to such an orthodoxy as the rather bookish Tidjanis of Mali. They favor a moralistic, rather than political, approach and tend to honor their scholars as we do, while their jihading, while appallingly brutal, tends to be occasional in the African way.

    • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

      I would describe some of these groups you mention as being more like the relationship of Mormons to the Catholic Church. They relate to Islam in some ways, but there’s enough added things there that it’s effectively another religion. The underlying problem with Islam is the central narrative of the Mohamedan conquests. When that’s displaced by other material, some of the problems go away.

      • Daniel L. Levy

        Agreed, but it may be comforting to imagine that some of these sects are the wave of the future, the shape of a post-war pacified Islam.

        • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

          Maybe if they weren’t getting murdered all the time, but they’re also ethnically linked.

          The Bahai have broken out, but I don’t see them displacing Islam.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            The fact that the largest population of Baha’i now resides in Israel rather than Iran, the country of their origin speaks volumes about their treatment by moslems and status in islam. I’m willing to bet the population of Baha’i in Iran is declining annually.

          • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

            not to mention the Zoroastrians

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            The largest population of Parsi is now found not in Iran (their ancient homeland) but India.

          • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

            This is the destiny of any minority under Islam.

            Islam kills multiculturalism even as multics embrace it.

    • IslamDownpressesHumanity

      Yeah, who hasn’t noticed how much influence the amadhis of India have had on islam? I haven’t noticed the amadhis expressing any outrage over the deliberate, state sponsored persecution of people of other faiths in Bangladesh or Pakistan, nor any outrage over the slaughter of some 2.5 to 3 million Hindus in Bangladesh in the 1970’s.

      I also challenge your characterization of the Druze as moslem.

    • knowshistory

      so those nice bookish tidjanis of mali are moralistic, and go jihading in an appalling, but occasional, way. well, why didn’t you say so sooner. the darlings are no threat then. we should only be concerned about jihadis who are on the rampage all the time, or are not moralistic. lets just import the entire lot of them to our country, give them welfare benefits and disability, police, ss, and fbi protection, and pay them to breed like bacteria. after all, they only appallingly terrorize the infidel occasionally.

    • Solo712

      I follow Daniel Greenfield’s logic and agree with its outlines. The “moderate Islam” preached by the liberal media is a fantasy of multiculturalism, and the fantasy of multiculturalism is predicated by the loss of a positive cultural identity of the West which is secularism based on Judeo-Christian values. We may be, and should be, generous to other cultures that come to live with us, but we cannot be stupid. The world of Islam has never evolved to create a civil, a rationally ordered society. Yes, there have been wise rulers in Islam, and periods of peace, prosperity, blossoming of science and arts (such as they were) from Spain to India. But the Islamic civilization stopped evolving centuries ago and we can only ask with Bernard Lewis, “What Went Wrong”. We better wake up to the “cultural realities” now so our grandchildren do not ask the same thing about us.

  • nimbii

    Daniel, I like the “post-everything society” that make globalists’ eyes roll back in their heads. Lucid prose cut to the quick once again.

    And “Unitarian Sociologists wearing fake native jewelry” was another clear image. Theirs is a collection of Peter Pan liberals whose world views cannot live outside their hybridized ideological greenhouses.

    The MSM curates these world-views in a shelved collection of panoramic sugar-shell Easter eggs where they can be kept close for when it’s editorial time.

  • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

    thank you

  • MN dude

    There are 200,000 dead Syrians who know a lot about islam. lol.

  • MN dude

    It all boils down to human stupidity. You have 1.5 billion idiots who follow this sick religion – and most of the remaining 5.5 billion are too stupid to figure out how evil violent and oppressive it is. Seriously: how much more obvious does it have to get?

  • Maynard

    The bottom line seems to be that Moderate Ismam is a Fairy Tail.

  • Here today Gone to Maui

    As a percentage, particularly in ‘hardcore’ islamic states of the globe, it seems to me that many muslims can’t read …so they rely exclusively on …. imams … death and destruction of all things western comes to mind.

  • mark

    Moderate islam is common taqiyya, muslims doing warfare lying.

    its not that muslims dont know the quran its that they have to hide the evil filth by making out its not in their books, to make out islam is peacefull and tolerant, to hide how evil they are by following it.

    Untill they have enough numbers too…….

  • Mid_Century_Modern

    It’s all about Shariah. Moderate Muslim or an Imam in the KSA, it all comes down to Shariah, If any Muslim states that he does not want Shariah whether in Baghdad, Birmingham or Belleville Ontario then he is a liar.

    Islam is Shariah.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    and you have a moderate Muslim. Or more accurately, a secular Muslim.

    Except for the fact that a secular Muslim in essence is an infidel, or more accurately an apostate and blasphemer that per the dictates of Islam must be executed. A Muslim that doesn’t wage jihad either violently or non-violently in the cause of Allah, is a so-called moderate Muslim, but also an apostate, a blasphemer, and an infidel.

    This generation of Western leaders seeks the affirmation of their secular liberalism in a moderate Islam.

    There is only one Islam, i.e., mainstream orthodox Islam, because the Koran contains the direct verbatim text of Allah as dictated to Muhammad by the arch angel Gabriel. Thus, since the Koran contains the direct verbatim text of Allah, it is immutable, and any Muslim or any infidel, for that matter, perceived as trying to alter just one single word of that holy divine text that emanates directly from Allah will be instantly executed for blasphemy. Hence, for that reason, the text contained in the holy Koran can only be taken in the most literal sense. Therefore, there is only one Islam, i.e., mainstream orthodox Islam, because there can only be one Islam, and furthermore the above explanation also explains why it is impossible for Islam to ever be reformed as well.

    The presumed existence of so-called moderate Islam and radical Islam are western created political correct mythis crafted to explain away why many Muslims have a propensity for violence. Just as they are naively presumed to be terrorists because they murder innocent civilian infidels in cold blood, despite the fact that Muslim jihadists only employ “total warfare” tactics per the dictates of Sharia.

    America’s War on Terror becomes the endless inescapable slog that the rise of ISIS has once again revealed it to be.

    Why? Two reasons: First, because terrorism isn’t even an Islamic manifestation but a false western analogy that has now manifested into a political correct myth just as prevalent as the existence of so-called moderate Islam and so-called radical Islam. Second, unless the ideology responsible for creating jihad is eventually destroyed, i.e., Islam, then jihad will continue to plague the infidel world for eternity or until it eventually succumbs to it.

    We can bomb ISIS to kingdom come, but once the bombing ends, another jihadists group will inevitably rise to take their place. The harsh reality is the ideology of Islam must be totally destroyed, and the first step in that long process is to ban and reverse mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage.

  • drygoldfeld

    It is tragic that insight expressed in this article and in many of the comments as a warning of impending disaster does not affect governments in the endangered cultures at all .The pseudo intellectual brain washing has been so total that no argument seems strong enough to even be considered .

  • IslamDownpressesHumanity

    Thank you for another excellent article Mr. Greenfield.

  • ZW

    Wow. And here I was thinking I am what I am because of who I say I am, not because of what non-Mulsim “leftist politicians” say I am. Thank you, Mr. Greenfileld, for clarifying that for me. Note to self: Always remember to be defined by the opinions of others, including well-educated, well-traveled, balance-seeking, wise analysts like Mr. Daniel Greenfield.

  • gray_man

    Wrong !

  • gray_man

    Because DG was talking about modern liberal fantasies.

  • mtmla

    And where do they get their philosophy? From the Kuran, the hadith, the sunna, all the books that teach about their evil prophet and their satanic religion. Will the PC crowd have the guts to go after the ellements that feed all this madness and violence, instead of excusing the religion of peace that have been hijacked by a few? I doubt it. As the saying goes : No matter how much you polish turd, it’s still a turd.We are in trouble my friends, thanks to the PC crowd and politicians who in spite of all the horrors ,violence, beheadings, destruction and threats to the west Islam is doing , they’ll always excuse it, saying the true Islam is peace and tolerance.And to justify it they cite the Bible, the Crusades , and the Inquisition as examples that they are violent too..

    • DollarFray

      I have also read they’re philosophy- I think so-called Moderates – is influenced by Persian poet Rumi. I read that on “Why I left Islam – long version” on a website called FreedomFaith.

  • montana83

    I wish the belief in moderate Islam was limited to the left and its multi-culti nonsense.
    Bush: “Islam is a religion of peace”
    McCain to Hannity 8/27/14 – “As you know Sean, Islam is a forgiving religion”
    The Karl Rove wing of the Republicans: Bush, Boehner, McCain, Dole, Romney know as much about Islam as your average Democrat who gets his news from MSNBC and Kim Kardashian”s Twitter feed. They comprise at least 50% of the House and Senate and are advised by their handlers to say and do nothing controversial in regards to Muslims and Islam that can be picked up by any and all media.
    Ted Cruz and a few others actually tell the truth. The rest will not. They are totally gutless and only care about their re-election chances. This mindset will eventually be deadly. We will have to wait for more 9/11’s to tell the truth. Only when the MSM and The Democrats and Euro Socialists see the handwriting on the wall will things change. That presently is a long way off.
    Better hope Biden, Hillary or someone like them is not elected in 2016. That will be another 4 years of darkness.

  • crisco

    I repeat; I will believe in this great throng of moderate Muslims (90%?) when I see tens of thousands of them thronging our streets and public forums, waving the American flag, singing God Bless America, and calling out the Wahabi Immams coming here under our very noses, and preaching virulent hatred of America in the thousands of mosques that now infest America.

    Well…….on second thought; don’t hold your breath.

    • Mo86

      Yes, indeed! I am still waiting for an apology for 9/11!

      Isn’t it amazing how Muslim will protest and riot for days over a cartoon or movie that dares to tell the truth about their death cult, but we have yet to see demonstrations denouncing the current slaughter by ISIS or the recent beheading of two American journalists!

      Where’s the outrage on that? NOT A PEEP!

  • bigjulie

    How about a “moderate” Christian? Seems to me that such a term covers virtually every one of them. How do they get that way? By simply ignoring those parts of the Bible that prove to be too uncomfortable to boldly practice. Like killing your disobedient children, for instance. A “moderate” Muslim would be required to do the same with the uncomfortable parts of the Qu’ran and the Hadiths, but that might make Allah somewhat uncomfortable with THEM!
    Daniel’s usual carefully thought-out analysis of what constitutes a “Moderate” Muslim is right on target. They exist for the same reasons and in the same manner that unicorns exist…as vaporware in the minds of the multi-culties!

    • Mo86

      “Like killing your disobedient children, for instance.”

      What ignorant drivel. The Bible has no open ended commands for Christians or Jews to kill disobedient children. That’s why there are no Jews or Christians doing any such thing anywhere in the world in obedience to such commands.

      It never fails to amaze me how leftists and other anti-Christian bigots like you can take an article that is completely about Islam, has nothing to do with Christianity, and immediately start complaining about Christianity.

      • bigjulie

        Whoa down there, big fella!!
        I am going by “older” biblical texts and I know there have been moves to remove or modify some of the more frightening texts in Leviticus, for example, where that admonition existed, and may still exist.
        FYI, I am a very Conservative Atheist. Try to have a nice day, once you are able to dismount from your high horse.

        • Mo86

          LOL! You know absolutely nothing about the Bible.

          Funny how you ignored this fact:

          The Bible has no open ended commands for Christians or Jews to kill disobedient children. That’s why there are no Jews or Christians doing any such thing anywhere in the world in obedience to such commands.

          Now, how about addressing ISLAM? You know, the point of this article?

          • bigjulie

            Sorry, Mo…you might try actually reading the Bible sometime, especially the Old Testament. You are in for some unpleasant surprises, if you do! After all, it is GAWD’S word!

        • Softly Bob

          You have to remember that there is a difference between old Jewish law and Christianity. The Jewish law never applied to gentiles and Jesus made that clear.
          There are some pretty harsh laws in both Leviticus and Deuteronomy but they have never applied to Christians, however the Ten Commandments do apply because they are a code of ethics and not a judiciary system.
          The reason even modern Jews do not follow these old laws is because they can only be put into practice when the Jewish Temple is up and running and it hasn’t been since 70 AD.
          Islam, on the other hand has no such credence to disallow Muslim laws and applications. The commands in the Q’uran apply to all Muslims and for all time.

  • bigjulie

    Yes…the climate warms periodically. We have people here conflating “global warming” with MANMADE global warming. The former is indeed a fact. The latter is not.

  • Ace

    Where do I sign?

  • IslamDownpressesHumanity

    BS. Christianity started out as a peaceful, tolerant religion. Islam has NEVER been tolerant or peaceful.

    • gray_man

      Christianity is not tolerant, nor is Christ.
      There is only one way.
      Period.
      All others are wrong.
      However, Christians show the way, not force the way.
      Christianity is voluntary.

  • Ace

    Excellent compilation.

    Name any Democrat, leftists, socialist, liberal, or communist tenet, initiative, formulation, shibboleth, platform, credo, principle, tactic, or strategy and it is, or is based on, a lie.

  • cmtljnpkisvji1683

    An excellent article by Daniel

    • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

      thank you

  • gearbox123

    Beautifully put.

  • gray_man

    Nonsense.
    If “Christians” murdered, forced conversions, promoted slavery, hated, etc., etc., they were not following Christ.
    In other words they are not Christians.
    If muslims do that they are following allah, and muhammad.

  • gray_man

    “We are way past the point of deporting millions of muslims from our western lands, because they simply won’t go, and would put the host nation into the poor house”

    We don’t ask them to go.We tell them to go.
    Send them to muslim countries, we want muslim countries in the poor house.

  • Jakareh

    Daniel Greenfield is simply the most brilliant op-ed writer in the country.

  • caMORON’s enemy

    What utter tripe this is.
    Speak to muslims in the street – I know many and none of them are violent or want violence.
    Israel’s government is run by terrorists – that much is true. To get world peace Israel is going to have to change and compensate big time for what they have done.
    Gets jews out of controlling everything – out of government and public posts.

  • Jack Diamond

    Absolutely correct. There is no jihad terrorism that is not associated with a mosque and no act that is not given sanction by some imam. Killing those who give holy permission to murder Americans should be a priority. As would be deporting those who teach sedition. Most of the bearded ones are not so anxious to die themselves, like Qaradawi they prefer to send the young fools to do the fighting.

    As to a “solution” to Islam–ridiculing Muhammad, apostatizing Muslims to Christianity–sure try everything; but like the situation for Israel, there is no solution (because it is a religious not a political conflict and Islam is a zero-sum game) but there is a way to contain the menace and limit its damage. Strength and domination. In general terms, to return the Muslim world to where it was, the weak and fragmented state it was in prior to the 1970s for some 300 years, to return it to its embrace of fatalism and end the sense of asabiyyah (any sense of victory and its enthusiasm, that it therefore must be Allah’s favored time of jihad) going around currently. The reawakened Islam brought about by the $10 trillion transfer in (unearned) oil wealth since 1973, funding jihad and supremacism everywhere. That wealth and its use, the state sponsorship of proxy jihadi groups, should have been the first targets. No ability for WMD in the Muslim world should be tolerated; an end to Muslim immigration and vigorous use of deportation; the proper public education concerning jihad and shari’a; the isolating of Islam to it’s own snake pits. Those are methods for containment of the problem, not requiring “killing them all.” It’s what the West would be doing if it had any sense at all and was not living in fairy tales, the results of which will be no end of killing.

  • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

    According to their creed, according to their mosques, according to their countries and their leaders.

    Religions don’t exist in isolation in an individual.

  • De Doc

    To make Islam truly moderate, you’d have to gut the Quran and other, sacred Muslim scriptures to no end. And it’s actually been attempted before with the respective redactors finding their lives endangered for tampering with Islam’s holy words.

    As Greenfield details above, there are deluded Westerners who wish for moderate Islam, MINOs (Muslims in Name Only), and the real ones, the latter of whom, unfortunately, represent the vast majority.

  • SOMARA556

    I don’t know for certain whether there is a ‘moderate Islam’ or not but frankly as a non-Muslim who does not believe any bit of the Islamic faith I believe that it is possible to practice a moderate version of the faith, since I don’t think any of the faith is true I don’t see why you couldn’t call that person a Muslim. If someone who identifies as Muslim rejects the backward parts of the faith (there are many) and embraces the good parts (as an Abrahamic faith like Christianity and Judaism there ARE good parts) then that person in my eyes is a moderate Muslim. Look at sects like the Amhadis, their version of Islam is peaceful and relatively tolerant, just because Wahabi scum claim that the only ‘real Islam’ is the backwards and intolerant faith we see in so many parts of the world today does not mean that we should give them what they want and call them Muslim. Many Muslims don’t follow the bad parts of their faith so remember that what you are dealing with is (generally) good people who just follow a bad idea that most of them were born into.

  • DeltaNaught

    I pity the liberal moron who tries to refute any of the excellent points made in this article….

  • Sara

    As a Jew from Iran, I’d say the “moderate” Muslims are non-practicing ones, or Muslims by name only. Even they would rise to the call of their local Imam against infidels. Right after they take another sip of whiskey. By the way Daniel, you should change “radical Islam” to just Islam in the bio next to your name.

  • Richard

    The author is spot on in his core argument, which he lays out in refreshingly lucid terms. But his concluding assault on all things Left is baseless. Of course “moderate” Islam does not exist, except insofar as a large minority of Muslims have been secularized. But by the end of the article, a straw-man “liberal” emerges who is just as imaginary, used as a foil to assert a much broader and more specious “conservative” agenda that also poses real risks to Western civilisation. The scientific evidence for climate change most certainly does exist. It isn’t just liberal idealism that has flung open our borders, but the right-wing utopian fantasy of “free trade”. And while the tragedy of multiculturalism discredits the shallow liberalism underpinning Western immigration policy, it in no way mandates a Koch Brothers approach to economic policy.

  • Richard

    I’ll remind you that while small in number, there are Left nationalists out there, too, who reject vapid multiculturalism but also oppose corporate rule.

  • Garrett MM MM YEAH YEAH

    moderate islam = moderate terrorism

  • Gordon Fraser

    Have you heard about what many of them do to their own daughters for simply interacting with the host culture they themselves chose to live in? We aren’t talking about a rational mind-set here at all.

  • Falco

    Christianity as exercised in the West is a water-downed version of “authentic Christianity”. But the factors that made possible that water-downed version of “authentic Christianity,” have no power to change Islam, have no influence in Islam – even if this religion is practiced in the West. Rather the reverse is true: with increasing numbers of Muslims, it is Islam that will change the West. And this on his turn explains also why a “Western Islam” (or a Western version of Islam) will never exist in the future neither.

    And here is the reason why:

    Islam adopted Christian practices in all departments of life. The state, society, the individual, economics and morality were thus collectively under Christian influence during the early period of Muhammedanism.

    Thus in every department we meet with that particular type of Christian theory which existed in the East during the seventh and eighth centuries. This Christian theory of life was subjected to many compromises in the West, and was materially modified by Teutonic influence and the revival of classicism.

    However, in Islam, this Christian theory underwent NOT a similar modification. Why? Because Muhammedan scholars were accustomed to propound their dicta as utterances given by Muhammed himself, and in this form Christian ideas also came into circulation among Muhammedans. When attempts were made to systematise these sayings, all were treated as alike authentic, and, as traditional, exerted their share of influence upon the formation of canon law. Sayings of Muhammed became part of canon law and therefore binding for all time!! Thus the process of development which was continued in Christendom, came to a standstill in Islam, thus questions of temporary importance to Christianity became permanent elements in Muhammedan theology. Here began the development of Muhammedan jurisprudence or, more exactly, of the doctrine of duty, which includes every kind of human activity, duties to God and man, religion, civil law, the penal code, social morality and economics.

    All human acts are thus legally considered as obligatory or forbidden when corresponding with religious commands or prohibitions, as congenial or obnoxious to the law or as matters legally indifferent and therefore permissible. The arrangement of the work of daily life in correspondence with these religious points of view is the most important outcome of the Muhammedan doctrine of duties.

    It will thus be immediately obvious to what a vast extent Christian theory of the seventh and eighth centuries still remains operative upon Muhammedan thought throughout the world.

    cf. Carl Heinrich Becker, “Christianity and Islam” (1909)

  • http://www.worthynews.com/ Joe DeCaro

    Most mass media outlets seek out English-speaking, “moderate” Muslims that reflect its own political views while Pew surveys the Muslim on the street.

  • Pray Hard

    Let’s not kid ourselves, every American president since at least Carter has been a dhimmi idiot. The current resident of the White Mosque might be the worst, but exactly 13 years and 1 day ago, George W. Bush stood on a stage with Muslims and declared that Islam was a religion of peace. Now, “don’t hurt Muslims and go shopping”.
    Allah’u fubar, Mohammed.

  • ConcernedCitizen999

    Excellent point ! Well said.

  • http://flyingtigercomics.wordpress.com/ Flying Tiger Comics

    In fact islamics have a word for “moderate islam” believers. They call them ba’hai- as an insult. Or call them atheists- weirdly- since the moderate islam delusion disrespects or denies the power of their moon god.

  • Pray Hard

    Problem is, there is no alternative to Islam for Muslims. Furthermore, how does one separate Muslims from Islam? There won’t be a reformation of Islam because then it would no longer be Islam.

  • Pray Hard

    Best take on the liberal mindset regarding Islam I’ve ever read. When I was a young guy and “liberal”, the word had a completely different meaning than it does now. At least in my case, it didn’t have the delusional perspective and injunction. Somewhere along the way it became very poisonous.