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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hiernonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2014 21:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, the &lt;i&gt;drama.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, the <i>drama.</i></p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hiernonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2014 21:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Whooosh ... that went right over your head did it, General?&quot;

It seems very important to you to think so, anyway. I wasn&#039;t a GO, btw, just field grade.

&quot;That would mean, I suppose, that you still think that Major Nidal Hassan was one of those garden variety criminals who simply engaged in &quot;workplace violence&quot;?&quot;

 No, it would mean that I believe the appropriate response to MAJ Hassan would be to apprehend him and try him in court.  

&quot;But on the other hand, I wasn&#039;t real thrilled about trying KSM in Manhatten [sic], NY in the federal District Court for the Southern District of NY. By the way, was that your recommendation?&quot;
 
I didn&#039;t make any recommendations.  But I have no problems with that decision.

&quot;Well gosh darn, General. I&#039;ve looked up and down here, and I just can&#039;t find on this thread one, single instance in which I recommended any specific fixes...&quot;
 


&quot;Fix&quot; was used in the sense of a dose of a drug to which one is addicted, in this case, adrenaline.  Nothing about that construction implied that you had committed yourself to a specific course of action.

&quot;As I said, uh ... sir, my remarks apparently went straight over your ego-bloated fat head, sir.&quot;

I haven&#039;t seen anything in your post that indicates that, but whatever.

&quot;I served one hitch in the Army and got out. Too many naval gazers....&quot;

 In the &lt;i&gt;Army&lt;/i&gt;? You sure you know which service you were in?

&quot;...and lifers--no chance on the outside types who couldn&#039;t think their way out 
of a wet paper bag, uh ... sir. &quot;
 
Could be.  It&#039;s not likely you saw much of the Army in one stint, and you don&#039;t mention what your MOS was, how long ago this was, or what unit you were in, so I can&#039;t say you didn&#039;t run into folks like that.  Still, that doesn&#039;t characterize most of the people I served with.

&quot;After the Army, I earned three graduate degrees, three foreign languages, and got myself admitted to the practice of law in two states. Me ... the uh &quot;stupid&quot; one with the short attention span and no patience.&quot;

Good for you; I&#039;ve got a couple of grad degrees and languages under my belt as well.  Some were real accomplishments, others pretty easy.  
You&#039;ll find, though, that if you have to parade the degrees to convince someone that you&#039;re smart, then you might want to take a closer look at what you&#039;re writing.  I seem to have hurt your feelings; that&#039;s too bad.
   The conversation was about political violence and terrorism, and you posts suggest you didn&#039;t attend classes on that topic.   I&#039;m sure that you&#039;re unstoppable at contract law or something, but if you&#039;ll look at the posts you&#039;ve made to me, they&#039;re long on posture and short on substance.
  
In fact, the only achievement you&#039;ve paraded I can&#039;t match is admission to the bar - which is pretty funny, considering that you pegged me as a JAG.  

Now, if you&#039;re done trying to prove to me that yours is as long as mine, I&#039;ll be more than happy to address any substantive comments you care to make.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Whooosh &#8230; that went right over your head did it, General?&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems very important to you to think so, anyway. I wasn&#8217;t a GO, btw, just field grade.</p>
<p>&#8220;That would mean, I suppose, that you still think that Major Nidal Hassan was one of those garden variety criminals who simply engaged in &#8220;workplace violence&#8221;?&#8221;</p>
<p> No, it would mean that I believe the appropriate response to MAJ Hassan would be to apprehend him and try him in court.  </p>
<p>&#8220;But on the other hand, I wasn&#8217;t real thrilled about trying KSM in Manhatten [sic], NY in the federal District Court for the Southern District of NY. By the way, was that your recommendation?&#8221;</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t make any recommendations.  But I have no problems with that decision.</p>
<p>&#8220;Well gosh darn, General. I&#8217;ve looked up and down here, and I just can&#8217;t find on this thread one, single instance in which I recommended any specific fixes&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Fix&#8221; was used in the sense of a dose of a drug to which one is addicted, in this case, adrenaline.  Nothing about that construction implied that you had committed yourself to a specific course of action.</p>
<p>&#8220;As I said, uh &#8230; sir, my remarks apparently went straight over your ego-bloated fat head, sir.&#8221;</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen anything in your post that indicates that, but whatever.</p>
<p>&#8220;I served one hitch in the Army and got out. Too many naval gazers&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p> In the <i>Army</i>? You sure you know which service you were in?</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;and lifers&#8211;no chance on the outside types who couldn&#8217;t think their way out<br />
of a wet paper bag, uh &#8230; sir. &#8221;</p>
<p>Could be.  It&#8217;s not likely you saw much of the Army in one stint, and you don&#8217;t mention what your MOS was, how long ago this was, or what unit you were in, so I can&#8217;t say you didn&#8217;t run into folks like that.  Still, that doesn&#8217;t characterize most of the people I served with.</p>
<p>&#8220;After the Army, I earned three graduate degrees, three foreign languages, and got myself admitted to the practice of law in two states. Me &#8230; the uh &#8220;stupid&#8221; one with the short attention span and no patience.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good for you; I&#8217;ve got a couple of grad degrees and languages under my belt as well.  Some were real accomplishments, others pretty easy.<br />
You&#8217;ll find, though, that if you have to parade the degrees to convince someone that you&#8217;re smart, then you might want to take a closer look at what you&#8217;re writing.  I seem to have hurt your feelings; that&#8217;s too bad.<br />
   The conversation was about political violence and terrorism, and you posts suggest you didn&#8217;t attend classes on that topic.   I&#8217;m sure that you&#8217;re unstoppable at contract law or something, but if you&#8217;ll look at the posts you&#8217;ve made to me, they&#8217;re long on posture and short on substance.</p>
<p>In fact, the only achievement you&#8217;ve paraded I can&#8217;t match is admission to the bar &#8211; which is pretty funny, considering that you pegged me as a JAG.  </p>
<p>Now, if you&#8217;re done trying to prove to me that yours is as long as mine, I&#8217;ll be more than happy to address any substantive comments you care to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Caps</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Caps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2014 16:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s &quot;wing nut&quot; now. Zoomie is out. Also, we no longr call them &quot;ring knockers&quot; we just call them &quot;stupid&quot; now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s &#8220;wing nut&#8221; now. Zoomie is out. Also, we no longr call them &#8220;ring knockers&#8221; we just call them &#8220;stupid&#8221; now.</p>
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		<title>By: A Z</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2014 14:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And the left handed  compliment is accepted.  My first thought, is if there is more back and forth here with OYM, I should sit back take notes and learn something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the left handed  compliment is accepted.  My first thought, is if there is more back and forth here with OYM, I should sit back take notes and learn something.</p>
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		<title>By: Johny Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johny Mac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2014 14:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The MB was running Egypt into the ground.  Qatar loaned or granted Egypt 4$ billion to keep them afloat. They were hemorrhaging $.  Obama was giving them tax $ also to float them.  It was both a sign of MB incompetence and people&#039;s conviction that the MB were buffoons.
The question is should General Sisi let the MB wreck everything and let Egypt hit 0 or should they step in before then?  For legitimacy purposes someone here is arguing they should let thing hit zero (i.e. GTH1st).

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/egypt/foreign-exchange-reserves

Very Good site:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MB was running Egypt into the ground.  Qatar loaned or granted Egypt 4$ billion to keep them afloat. They were hemorrhaging $.  Obama was giving them tax $ also to float them.  It was both a sign of MB incompetence and people&#8217;s conviction that the MB were buffoons.<br />
The question is should General Sisi let the MB wreck everything and let Egypt hit 0 or should they step in before then?  For legitimacy purposes someone here is arguing they should let thing hit zero (i.e. GTH1st).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tradingeconomics.com/egypt/foreign-exchange-reserves" rel="nofollow">http://www.tradingeconomics.com/egypt/foreign-exchange-reserves</a></p>
<p>Very Good site:<br />
<a href="http://www.tradingeconomics.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tradingeconomics.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: DB1954</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DB1954]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2014 08:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whooosh ... that went right over your head did it, General? 



&quot;Do I think that the criminal justice approach is the correct one to terrorism? Actually, as a rule, I do.&quot;


Well actually, I think that the CJ approach to international terrorism can be the correct solution but not as a rule. I think that CJ approaches work much better in, well, ... circumstances that call for them, like for example, garden variety domestic crime. 


That would mean, I suppose, that you still think that Major Nidal Hassan was one of those garden variety criminals who simply engaged in &quot;workplace violence&quot;? 


&quot;It lacks the immediate gratification that give you short-attention-span types their adrenaline fixes, but it has the nice side effect of not playing directly into the terrorists&#039; desire to use our responses to generate broader support for their causes.&quot; 


Well gosh darn, General. I&#039;ve looked up and down here, and I just can&#039;t find on this thread one, single instance in which I recommended any specific fixes--adrenalin fueled or not. Not a single one, in fact. I was just saying that responses to terrorism and responses to crime are generally different. In my view, military responses and CJ responses represent a kind of continuum, uh, yeah, that&#039;s right. A continuum of flexible and coordinated responses might, just might, give the government more options. 


But yeah, I can see how we should be concerned that the terrorists might use the Gitmo response in order to &quot;use [it] to generate broader support for their causes.&quot; But on the other hand, I wasn&#039;t real thrilled about trying KSM in Manhatten, NY in the federal District Court for the Southern District of NY. By the way, was that your recommendation? 
  
 As I said, uh ... sir, my remarks apparently went straight over your ego-bloated fat head, sir. As for &quot;broader support for their causes,&quot; did you know that Bill Ayers murdered a SF police officer in Feb. 1970? Obama&#039;s buddy--the one that all you liberal types want to forget--was a domestic terrorist. That was according to the FBI. Anyway, Obama&#039;s cause, it seems, is at least one terrorist&#039;s cause. Did you know that Major Nidal Hassan served on your awesome President&#039;s White House transition team in 2008? Funny how Barack Obama and terrorists just have a way of finding each other. I could tell you all kinds of things about B. Hussein Obama II that would cause you great distress, but you&#039;d demand proof beyond a reasonable doubt and vote for the homosexual Marxist anyway as I hear some of the most senior commanders in the Army did. Loyalty. It&#039;s a wonderfully stupid thing, especially when it&#039;s blind, deaf and dumb--as probably 98% of career Army officers are.   

I served one hitch in the Army and got out. Too many naval gazers and lifers--no chance on the outside types who couldn&#039;t think their way out of a wet paper bag, uh ... sir. After the Army, I earned three graduate degrees, three foreign languages, and got myself admitted to the practice of law in two states. Me ... the uh &quot;stupid&quot; one with the short attention span and no patience.    ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whooosh &#8230; that went right over your head did it, General? </p>
<p>&#8220;Do I think that the criminal justice approach is the correct one to terrorism? Actually, as a rule, I do.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well actually, I think that the CJ approach to international terrorism can be the correct solution but not as a rule. I think that CJ approaches work much better in, well, &#8230; circumstances that call for them, like for example, garden variety domestic crime. </p>
<p>That would mean, I suppose, that you still think that Major Nidal Hassan was one of those garden variety criminals who simply engaged in &#8220;workplace violence&#8221;? </p>
<p>&#8220;It lacks the immediate gratification that give you short-attention-span types their adrenaline fixes, but it has the nice side effect of not playing directly into the terrorists&#8217; desire to use our responses to generate broader support for their causes.&#8221; </p>
<p>Well gosh darn, General. I&#8217;ve looked up and down here, and I just can&#8217;t find on this thread one, single instance in which I recommended any specific fixes&#8211;adrenalin fueled or not. Not a single one, in fact. I was just saying that responses to terrorism and responses to crime are generally different. In my view, military responses and CJ responses represent a kind of continuum, uh, yeah, that&#8217;s right. A continuum of flexible and coordinated responses might, just might, give the government more options. </p>
<p>But yeah, I can see how we should be concerned that the terrorists might use the Gitmo response in order to &#8220;use [it] to generate broader support for their causes.&#8221; But on the other hand, I wasn&#8217;t real thrilled about trying KSM in Manhatten, NY in the federal District Court for the Southern District of NY. By the way, was that your recommendation? </p>
<p> As I said, uh &#8230; sir, my remarks apparently went straight over your ego-bloated fat head, sir. As for &#8220;broader support for their causes,&#8221; did you know that Bill Ayers murdered a SF police officer in Feb. 1970? Obama&#8217;s buddy&#8211;the one that all you liberal types want to forget&#8211;was a domestic terrorist. That was according to the FBI. Anyway, Obama&#8217;s cause, it seems, is at least one terrorist&#8217;s cause. Did you know that Major Nidal Hassan served on your awesome President&#8217;s White House transition team in 2008? Funny how Barack Obama and terrorists just have a way of finding each other. I could tell you all kinds of things about B. Hussein Obama II that would cause you great distress, but you&#8217;d demand proof beyond a reasonable doubt and vote for the homosexual Marxist anyway as I hear some of the most senior commanders in the Army did. Loyalty. It&#8217;s a wonderfully stupid thing, especially when it&#8217;s blind, deaf and dumb&#8211;as probably 98% of career Army officers are.   </p>
<p>I served one hitch in the Army and got out. Too many naval gazers and lifers&#8211;no chance on the outside types who couldn&#8217;t think their way out of a wet paper bag, uh &#8230; sir. After the Army, I earned three graduate degrees, three foreign languages, and got myself admitted to the practice of law in two states. Me &#8230; the uh &#8220;stupid&#8221; one with the short attention span and no patience.    </p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hiernonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2014 06:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Throughout this entire conversation you&#039;ve demanded of Drakken and others proof beyond a reasonable doubt.&quot;

I&#039;ve asked for evidence.  There&#039;s a difference between &#039;demanding&#039; proof sufficient for an individual conviction, and asking for some solid evidence.  Drakken&#039;s operating on innuendo and hot air.

 
&quot;...and/or before the MB strikes the U.S...&quot;

See?  It&#039;s unreasonable to talk about the inevitability of the MB &quot;striking&quot; us when nobody has shown that the MB has struck anyone, or is even in the business of striking.  That&#039;s hysteria.  

&quot;Precisely that will happen if our government is composed of pedantic, idealistic, legalistic, national security analysts like you.&quot;

 

As opposed to aggressively ignorant homespun &#039;experts&#039; who want to strike boldly at the wrong targets for the wrong reasons, so that they can satisfy themselves that they&#039;ve done &lt;i&gt;something?&lt;/i&gt;  

&quot;You&#039;re one of Zer0&#039;s loyalist flunkies--forever insisting on a criminal justice approach to terrorism--or I&#039;m a monkey&#039;s uncle.&quot;


They&#039;re not mutually exclusive.  As for being a &#039;loyalist flunky,&#039; I retired from the military during Obama&#039;s presidency, and I was as loyal to him as to all his predecessors, so, yeah, I suppose I&#039;m guilty of loyalty.  As far as &#039;flunky&#039; goes, well, again, in the sense that I&#039;m subject to recall for the rest of my life, if that&#039;s what you mean.  Do I think that the criminal justice approach is the correct one to terrorism?  Actually, as a rule, I do.  It lacks the immediate gratification that give you short-attention-span types their adrenaline fixes, but it has the nice side effect of not playing directly into the terrorists&#039; desire to use our responses to generate broader support for their causes.  They rely on impatience and stupidity, which you, judging by your comments here, have elevated to virtues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Throughout this entire conversation you&#8217;ve demanded of Drakken and others proof beyond a reasonable doubt.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve asked for evidence.  There&#8217;s a difference between &#8216;demanding&#8217; proof sufficient for an individual conviction, and asking for some solid evidence.  Drakken&#8217;s operating on innuendo and hot air.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;and/or before the MB strikes the U.S&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>See?  It&#8217;s unreasonable to talk about the inevitability of the MB &#8220;striking&#8221; us when nobody has shown that the MB has struck anyone, or is even in the business of striking.  That&#8217;s hysteria.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Precisely that will happen if our government is composed of pedantic, idealistic, legalistic, national security analysts like you.&#8221;</p>
<p>As opposed to aggressively ignorant homespun &#8216;experts&#8217; who want to strike boldly at the wrong targets for the wrong reasons, so that they can satisfy themselves that they&#8217;ve done <i>something?</i>  </p>
<p>&#8220;You&#8217;re one of Zer0&#8242;s loyalist flunkies&#8211;forever insisting on a criminal justice approach to terrorism&#8211;or I&#8217;m a monkey&#8217;s uncle.&#8221;</p>
<p>They&#8217;re not mutually exclusive.  As for being a &#8216;loyalist flunky,&#8217; I retired from the military during Obama&#8217;s presidency, and I was as loyal to him as to all his predecessors, so, yeah, I suppose I&#8217;m guilty of loyalty.  As far as &#8216;flunky&#8217; goes, well, again, in the sense that I&#8217;m subject to recall for the rest of my life, if that&#8217;s what you mean.  Do I think that the criminal justice approach is the correct one to terrorism?  Actually, as a rule, I do.  It lacks the immediate gratification that give you short-attention-span types their adrenaline fixes, but it has the nice side effect of not playing directly into the terrorists&#8217; desire to use our responses to generate broader support for their causes.  They rely on impatience and stupidity, which you, judging by your comments here, have elevated to virtues.</p>
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		<title>By: Egan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Egan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2014 04:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The person you are debating has the following life experiences.  

FYI 
M.S. is Islamic Studies
Speaks Arabic
Lived there
Retired.
Attended university for a PHD? In?
20+ years active duty

Bullheaded.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The person you are debating has the following life experiences.  </p>
<p>FYI<br />
M.S. is Islamic Studies<br />
Speaks Arabic<br />
Lived there<br />
Retired.<br />
Attended university for a PHD? In?<br />
20+ years active duty</p>
<p>Bullheaded.</p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hiernonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2014 04:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First things first.   You&#039;ve mischaracterized the &#039;evidence&#039; you presented.  Your first link does not involve accusations that the MB organized and executed terrorist acts; it accuses MB leaders of using inflammatory rhetoric that can incite violence.  That&#039;s not remotely terrorism.

Ditto with your second source.  The second item complains of police violence against MB peaceful assemblies, then accuses the MB of inciting sectarian violence.  In its complaint that the MB is involved in terrorism, close reading reveals that there were two ways in which the group accuses the MB of complicity in sectarian violence:  first, by not condemning the violent actions in the wake of the coup, and second, by inflammatory rhetoric by its leaders.

Note that failure to condemn or stop activity may be morally cowardly, but it&#039;s not an obligation and it doesn&#039;t make someone culpable for the acts of others.  It&#039;s not terrorism.  Similarly, while inflammatory sectarian rhetoric is hardly a praiseworthy course for the MB to take, and certainly opens the MB to charges that it shares responsibility for the wave of violence sweeping Egypt, &lt;i&gt;it&#039;s not terrorism.&lt;/i&gt; 

Terrorism is not a blanket term for every act of violence conducted with a political motive.  Terrorism occupies a special niche in our understanding of political violence, precisely because it is horrifying.  It targets the innocent, it&#039;s extremely difficult to predict or defend against, and it creates havoc and chaos far out of proportion to the number of people perpetrating it.  We allow our security and military personnel to take actions against terrorists that we would not permit against ordinary criminals; the typical governmental response to terrorism involves encroaching on otherwise inviolable human rights.  For all of these reasons, it&#039;s important to be as precise as possible in discussing who is and isn&#039;t a terrorist.

In countries with significant ethnic or religious fault lines, such as between Muslim and Copt in Egypt, or between Protestant and Catholic in Northern Ireland, violence and political violence are going to be frequent.  These can range from a local incident gone out of control - a young man on one side attacks a young woman on the other, for example, and the community descends into reprisals, mob violence, etc - to more far-reaching confrontations.  In Egypt, for example, there&#039;s no doubt that a MB-dominated government bodes ill for the Coptic Community.  This results in a situation in which all communities are on edge.  Over the past year or so, we&#039;ve seen Coptic communities erupt in outrage when they&#039;ve perceived a threat to their interests; we&#039;ve seen the supporters of Morsi (a grouping that largely but does not simply coincide with MB membership) take to the streets when their MB president was ousted.  The situation is rife with violence, and that violence explodes with depressing regularity lately.

But that doesn&#039;t make the MB a &#039;terrorist organization,&#039; and it doesn&#039;t make every act of political violence &#039;terrorism.&#039;  A mob burning a church is very &lt;i&gt;unlikely&lt;/i&gt; to be an act of terrorism.  What&#039;s incumbent on you, if you want to establish the MB as a &#039;terrorist organization,&#039; is to prove that the MB is purposely planning acts of random violence against the Christian community and then having them executed.  So far, you&#039;ve utterly failed to show anything of the sort.   

&quot;You seem to be an apologist for the MB.&quot;

That probably says more for your limited command of the concepts in play than my status as an apologist for the MB.

Let me close by noting that it&#039;s perfectly possible to disapprove of the MB - of its political agenda, of its tactics, of its handling of the post-coup situation - without giving in to the intellectual dishonesty of claiming something you simply can&#039;t demonstrate.  The MB doesn&#039;t have to be a terrorist organization for you to oppose it.  It &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; have to be a terrorist organization for you to bypass a good number of Constitutional protections, and that reason alone is good enough to challenge sloppy accusations such as yours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First things first.   You&#8217;ve mischaracterized the &#8216;evidence&#8217; you presented.  Your first link does not involve accusations that the MB organized and executed terrorist acts; it accuses MB leaders of using inflammatory rhetoric that can incite violence.  That&#8217;s not remotely terrorism.</p>
<p>Ditto with your second source.  The second item complains of police violence against MB peaceful assemblies, then accuses the MB of inciting sectarian violence.  In its complaint that the MB is involved in terrorism, close reading reveals that there were two ways in which the group accuses the MB of complicity in sectarian violence:  first, by not condemning the violent actions in the wake of the coup, and second, by inflammatory rhetoric by its leaders.</p>
<p>Note that failure to condemn or stop activity may be morally cowardly, but it&#8217;s not an obligation and it doesn&#8217;t make someone culpable for the acts of others.  It&#8217;s not terrorism.  Similarly, while inflammatory sectarian rhetoric is hardly a praiseworthy course for the MB to take, and certainly opens the MB to charges that it shares responsibility for the wave of violence sweeping Egypt, <i>it&#8217;s not terrorism.</i> </p>
<p>Terrorism is not a blanket term for every act of violence conducted with a political motive.  Terrorism occupies a special niche in our understanding of political violence, precisely because it is horrifying.  It targets the innocent, it&#8217;s extremely difficult to predict or defend against, and it creates havoc and chaos far out of proportion to the number of people perpetrating it.  We allow our security and military personnel to take actions against terrorists that we would not permit against ordinary criminals; the typical governmental response to terrorism involves encroaching on otherwise inviolable human rights.  For all of these reasons, it&#8217;s important to be as precise as possible in discussing who is and isn&#8217;t a terrorist.</p>
<p>In countries with significant ethnic or religious fault lines, such as between Muslim and Copt in Egypt, or between Protestant and Catholic in Northern Ireland, violence and political violence are going to be frequent.  These can range from a local incident gone out of control &#8211; a young man on one side attacks a young woman on the other, for example, and the community descends into reprisals, mob violence, etc &#8211; to more far-reaching confrontations.  In Egypt, for example, there&#8217;s no doubt that a MB-dominated government bodes ill for the Coptic Community.  This results in a situation in which all communities are on edge.  Over the past year or so, we&#8217;ve seen Coptic communities erupt in outrage when they&#8217;ve perceived a threat to their interests; we&#8217;ve seen the supporters of Morsi (a grouping that largely but does not simply coincide with MB membership) take to the streets when their MB president was ousted.  The situation is rife with violence, and that violence explodes with depressing regularity lately.</p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t make the MB a &#8216;terrorist organization,&#8217; and it doesn&#8217;t make every act of political violence &#8216;terrorism.&#8217;  A mob burning a church is very <i>unlikely</i> to be an act of terrorism.  What&#8217;s incumbent on you, if you want to establish the MB as a &#8216;terrorist organization,&#8217; is to prove that the MB is purposely planning acts of random violence against the Christian community and then having them executed.  So far, you&#8217;ve utterly failed to show anything of the sort.   </p>
<p>&#8220;You seem to be an apologist for the MB.&#8221;</p>
<p>That probably says more for your limited command of the concepts in play than my status as an apologist for the MB.</p>
<p>Let me close by noting that it&#8217;s perfectly possible to disapprove of the MB &#8211; of its political agenda, of its tactics, of its handling of the post-coup situation &#8211; without giving in to the intellectual dishonesty of claiming something you simply can&#8217;t demonstrate.  The MB doesn&#8217;t have to be a terrorist organization for you to oppose it.  It <i>does</i> have to be a terrorist organization for you to bypass a good number of Constitutional protections, and that reason alone is good enough to challenge sloppy accusations such as yours.</p>
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		<title>By: glpage</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2014 03:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to many reports,you can do web searches as easily as me, attacks have included burning of Coptic church, kidnapping Coptic children, murdering Coptic priests, crucifying Copts, and other violent acts against Copts.  (There seems to be this common theme involving Copts.)  All after the Coptic church came out in favor of removing Morsi, to which the MB responded that statements and acts have consequences.



Well, the Cairo Institute For Human Rights Studies thinks they are involved:

http://www.cihrs.org/?p=7041&amp;lang=en

As does another rights group, Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights:

http://eipr.org/en/pressrelease/2013/08/15/1782

After looking up the definition of terrorism as stated by the DoD, State department, FBI, and other agencies, I&#039;ll stick with the rather general definition I used earlier.  The definitions given by those federal agencies provides  slightly more detail than Merriam Webster, but basically follows that definition.


You are attempting to place such a fine edged definition of terrorism as to exclude most violent acts for political or religious (pretty much the same for the MB) reasons.-  You seem to believe that only acts claimed by some group are terrorism and then only if they meet some very narrow political range.  You seem to be an apologist for the MB.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to many reports,you can do web searches as easily as me, attacks have included burning of Coptic church, kidnapping Coptic children, murdering Coptic priests, crucifying Copts, and other violent acts against Copts.  (There seems to be this common theme involving Copts.)  All after the Coptic church came out in favor of removing Morsi, to which the MB responded that statements and acts have consequences.</p>
<p>Well, the Cairo Institute For Human Rights Studies thinks they are involved:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cihrs.org/?p=7041&#038;lang=en" rel="nofollow">http://www.cihrs.org/?p=7041&#038;lang=en</a></p>
<p>As does another rights group, Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights:</p>
<p><a href="http://eipr.org/en/pressrelease/2013/08/15/1782" rel="nofollow">http://eipr.org/en/pressrelease/2013/08/15/1782</a></p>
<p>After looking up the definition of terrorism as stated by the DoD, State department, FBI, and other agencies, I&#8217;ll stick with the rather general definition I used earlier.  The definitions given by those federal agencies provides  slightly more detail than Merriam Webster, but basically follows that definition.</p>
<p>You are attempting to place such a fine edged definition of terrorism as to exclude most violent acts for political or religious (pretty much the same for the MB) reasons.-  You seem to believe that only acts claimed by some group are terrorism and then only if they meet some very narrow political range.  You seem to be an apologist for the MB.</p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2014 01:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That would be presumptuous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be presumptuous.</p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2014 01:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, let&#039;s take a look at that.  What, exactly, do you contend the MB is doing to Copts in Egypt?  What sorts of attacks have taken place?  Have they been random attacks, intended to instill the fear that anybody, anytime, anywhere could be a target, as opposed to escalating local tensions that have broken out into the open?


 Has the MB claimed credit for the attacks?  Terrorist groups are generally quick to claim credit for their attacks, as terrorism is in large part a (violent) form of communication.  What sorts of statements have the MB made concerning their campaign against the Copts?


If the MB hasn&#039;t claimed credit, how have you determined that the MB is behind the attacks?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, let&#8217;s take a look at that.  What, exactly, do you contend the MB is doing to Copts in Egypt?  What sorts of attacks have taken place?  Have they been random attacks, intended to instill the fear that anybody, anytime, anywhere could be a target, as opposed to escalating local tensions that have broken out into the open?</p>
<p> Has the MB claimed credit for the attacks?  Terrorist groups are generally quick to claim credit for their attacks, as terrorism is in large part a (violent) form of communication.  What sorts of statements have the MB made concerning their campaign against the Copts?</p>
<p>If the MB hasn&#8217;t claimed credit, how have you determined that the MB is behind the attacks?</p>
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		<title>By: glpage</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2014 00:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And what the MB is doing to Copts in Egypt is &quot;targeting civilians in order to demonstrate the inability of the government to protect them&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what the MB is doing to Copts in Egypt is &#8220;targeting civilians in order to demonstrate the inability of the government to protect them&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Micah * el</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2014 21:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My guess is that he is a West Point Grad living in south Florida, who may be retired unless it is all a front.

No hacking and no cracking.  I am not like the guy from Massachusetts, who hacked Debka (or took the proceeds of the hack and distributed it.).  Me thinks he is in jail.  He was the resident troll 2 or 3 years ago. He was the one that was the indie record producers from Boston area.

With a few more hours of work I could  do more all through open sources.  But that I will not do. 
I will grant you he is tendentious.  I wonder how an lecturer has so much time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is that he is a West Point Grad living in south Florida, who may be retired unless it is all a front.</p>
<p>No hacking and no cracking.  I am not like the guy from Massachusetts, who hacked Debka (or took the proceeds of the hack and distributed it.).  Me thinks he is in jail.  He was the resident troll 2 or 3 years ago. He was the one that was the indie record producers from Boston area.</p>
<p>With a few more hours of work I could  do more all through open sources.  But that I will not do.<br />
I will grant you he is tendentious.  I wonder how an lecturer has so much time.</p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interestingly, the Burmese military crucified several people in 2000.  Also see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/05/saudi-seven-crucifixion-armed-robbery&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; for some crucifixions in Saudi Arabia.



&quot;Please continue your attempts to whitewash islamist terrorism. &quot;


Who&#039;s trying to &quot;whitewash islamist terrorism?&quot;  I&#039;m asking that you support accusations of being an Islamist terrorist with some actual evidence.  



&quot;We need the laughs.&quot;  



Hyenas laugh.  It doesn&#039;t mean that they get the joke.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, the Burmese military crucified several people in 2000.  Also see <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/05/saudi-seven-crucifixion-armed-robbery" rel="nofollow">this article</a> for some crucifixions in Saudi Arabia.</p>
<p>&#8220;Please continue your attempts to whitewash islamist terrorism. &#8221;</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s trying to &#8220;whitewash islamist terrorism?&#8221;  I&#8217;m asking that you support accusations of being an Islamist terrorist with some actual evidence.  </p>
<p>&#8220;We need the laughs.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Hyenas laugh.  It doesn&#8217;t mean that they get the joke.</p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hiernonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Terrorism does not have to be international to be terrorism.&quot;
 
Who has suggested that it must be?  

Political violence covers a whole spectrum of violence conducted for political purposes, from mob violence and riots all the way up to high-intensity state-on-state warfare. 

Terrorism is a very specific form of political violence in which a non-state actor attempts to gain recognition or achieve other political goals by the use of random acts of violence against a targeted civilian population.  Key elements of terrorism include the randomness of the attacks.  One of the key purposes of terrorism is to instill fear in the population at large, developing in them a sense that &quot;I&#039;m not safe anywhere.&quot;  

So, for example, if a political group raids the military bases in its country, killing soldiers and gathering weapons, that would be guerrilla warfare, but it wouldn&#039;t be terrorism.  If the same group planted bombs in shopping malls, or took hostages on trains, etc, targeting civilians in order to demonstrate the inability of the government to protect them, that would be terrorism.

While there are arguments over how to define terrorism, there&#039;s no argument that it needs a definition, and that not all political violence is or should be treated as terrorism.  

So, no, I&#039;m not trying to polish a turd, I&#039;m trying to keep you from swallowing one you seem to have mistaken for a candy bar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Terrorism does not have to be international to be terrorism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who has suggested that it must be?  </p>
<p>Political violence covers a whole spectrum of violence conducted for political purposes, from mob violence and riots all the way up to high-intensity state-on-state warfare. </p>
<p>Terrorism is a very specific form of political violence in which a non-state actor attempts to gain recognition or achieve other political goals by the use of random acts of violence against a targeted civilian population.  Key elements of terrorism include the randomness of the attacks.  One of the key purposes of terrorism is to instill fear in the population at large, developing in them a sense that &#8220;I&#8217;m not safe anywhere.&#8221;  </p>
<p>So, for example, if a political group raids the military bases in its country, killing soldiers and gathering weapons, that would be guerrilla warfare, but it wouldn&#8217;t be terrorism.  If the same group planted bombs in shopping malls, or took hostages on trains, etc, targeting civilians in order to demonstrate the inability of the government to protect them, that would be terrorism.</p>
<p>While there are arguments over how to define terrorism, there&#8217;s no argument that it needs a definition, and that not all political violence is or should be treated as terrorism.  </p>
<p>So, no, I&#8217;m not trying to polish a turd, I&#8217;m trying to keep you from swallowing one you seem to have mistaken for a candy bar.</p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you run into history, tell him to pop by and make his case.  You could use his help.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you run into history, tell him to pop by and make his case.  You could use his help.</p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a nice sulk, but it&#039;s not evidence that Ansar Bait al Maqdis and the MB are one and the same.  I was wondering if you knew what you were talking about; now I&#039;m not wondering.  Let me know if you ever find out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a nice sulk, but it&#8217;s not evidence that Ansar Bait al Maqdis and the MB are one and the same.  I was wondering if you knew what you were talking about; now I&#8217;m not wondering.  Let me know if you ever find out.</p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hiernonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This would be &quot;Saddam was behind the WTC bombing&quot; Gaffney?  Frank &quot;New American Century&quot; Gaffney?  Frank &quot;take out al Jazeera&quot; Gaffney?

Was he speaking for the IC or for State when he made this determination?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would be &#8220;Saddam was behind the WTC bombing&#8221; Gaffney?  Frank &#8220;New American Century&#8221; Gaffney?  Frank &#8220;take out al Jazeera&#8221; Gaffney?</p>
<p>Was he speaking for the IC or for State when he made this determination?</p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hiernonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure Daniel isn&#039;t nuts enough to mean that.  But thanks for the input.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure Daniel isn&#8217;t nuts enough to mean that.  But thanks for the input.</p>
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