Muslim Terrorist States Argue Over Which of Them is Distorting Islam

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century.


Help, someone here is distorting the real Islam.

Help, someone here is distorting the real Islam.

We all know that the real Islam is a religion of peace. A pacifist religion which was spread by Mohammed handing out bunches of flowers to people and asking them if they wouldn’t like to sit down in a circle with him and groove.

And then he chopped off their heads if they refused.

Despite being an incredibly peaceful religion, there seems to be a lot of violence revolving around Islam, the way that the earth revolves around the sun. No one knows exactly what causes it, but there are apparently extremists distorting Islam.

Who are these extremists? They’re Muslim terrorists who have absolutely nothing to do with Islam. You can tell because they shout Allah Akbar while they peacefully chop off heads and play soccer with them. (That last one isn’t even an exaggeration.)

So now let’s play the fastest growing game show in the Middle East and Europe, “Who is distorting Islam”?

Contestant number one is the dictator of Syria, close ally of Iran and patron of the Hezbollah terrorist group. And he says it’s the Saudis.

Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad Monday called for a battle against Wahhabism, the political and religious ideology embraced by the Saudi government, a key backer of the uprising against his regime.

The comments came amid ongoing tensions between the two countries, which are fiercely opposed to each other.

“President Assad said that extremist and Wahhabi thought distort the real Islam, which is tolerant,” state news agency SANA said.

Sure. You can tell how tolerant it is if you visit Iran, the Shiite superpower keeping Assad afloat, which is constantly killing people in the name of the real Islam.

Contestant number two is the tyrant of Saudi Arabia, patron of most of the Sunni Muslim terrorists of the world.

Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah issued a statement on Sunday calling for the Syrian regime to “stop the killing machine.”

“Large numbers of martyrs have fallen, their blood has been shed, and many others have been wounded,” he said. “This is not in accord with religion, values, and morals.”

It’s not in accord with religion, values, and morals? So what were Saudi tanks doing in Bahrain? Oh, but those were Sunnis against Shiites which is completely different than Shiites against Sunnis.

Someone is clearly distorting Islam here. But I just can’t figure out who.

Constant number three is dead, but still kicking it on the internet, he’s Sheikh Anwar Al-Awlaki, beloved martyr of the ACLU and Al Qaeda.

“If the US is openly stating unashamed that it is bent on distorting Islam then it is our duty to step up our efforts in defending our religion from this distortion.”

Now I understand. America is distorting Islam. It couldn’t be Muslims. Obviously. So what does Anwar Al-Awlaki think is the real Islam that America is attempting to distort?

Al Jazeera: The Washington Post and The Wall Street Journal have quoted CIA investigators as talking about the possibility of targeting you in a drone attack. Why do you think the Americans want to kill you?

Awlaki: Because I am a Muslim and I promote Islam.  The charge is “incitement”; my relationships with Nidal Hasan, Umar Farouk and some 9/11 attackers, and now I am accused of being linked to 14 cases…

“They want to market the democratic and peaceful US Islam… they want an Islam that has no sharia ruling, no jihad and no Islamic caliphate.”

“We call for the Islam that was sent by Allah to Prophet Muhammad, the Islam of jihad and sharia ruling.”

I hate to say it, but the droned terrorist has a point.

 

  • clevs

    thank you for admitting its americans who distort islam… we’re glad someone finally understands

    • objectivefactsmatter

      There is no “undistorted” Islam. The entire foundation is a violent distortion of the Bible fused with Arab paganism.

      • clevs

        you worship a cross and a human being……. YOU are the ones who distorted the message Jesus was relaying. “Son of God”..???? Islam is a peaceful people. You guys are just disgustingly incapable of coexisting. There are terrorists who arent muslims you know. Or are you too childish to realize? Don’t target a Religion/way of life based on some idiotic group of people who ONLY CLAIM the religion. quit being ignorant

        • Dave Watt

          Really? feel free to post some links to Syrian Christians butchering and cutting off heads of stinking muslims so we can all see how knowledgeable you are…..

          • clevs

            theres a video of a mexican (probably claims christianity) beheading his own wife… are all mexicans or christians that way??? a man pulled over for speeding had 48+ bombs and some guns in his car..bet if it was a muslim guy theyd be sure to call him a “terrorist”. but no. how many people get murdered in the US. how many of those murders are commited by muslims??. the rapes, the trafficking the list goes on. dont be so focused on those who gave islam a bad name… trust me theres a lot more going on in the world brother…

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Dude,

            I know you’re upset. But truthfully here in the West, we try to evaluate motives for any significant crimes.

            If anything Muslim terror is underestimated (it sure is under-reported) in the West because of political correctness. OI some “Mecixan Christian” cuts the head off of his wife, we want to know why. If it turns out he thinks the Bible teaches to do that, we’ll critique that. If that kind of thing happens over and over again and tens of thousands of individual start blowing themselves up and so forth and referring to a Biblical imperative to do that, believe me, people will pay a lot more attention to that than they do to the jihad terror we see today.

          • Veracious_one

            here’s a video for you…

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIKCgRlwQUA

          • Veracious_one
        • john spielman

          Islam is doctrine of demons given to the world a demon possessed(by his own admission) mass murderer thief liar misogynist and pedophile by the name of Mohammed.
          You cannot perceive the truth because you are deceived by they same demonic spirit. Please compare Mohammed of your Koran and hadiths with Jesus of the Bible to see the difference. Jesus is grace and truth and light and life, while Mohammed brings nothing but lterror cruelty darkness and death to all who believe his lies.

          • clevs

            3 against one…. typical. when you guys actually learn something about Islam, make statements on it. Until then, you are still ignorant. You know what the media tells you. You know what this idiot (the author of this article) implies. You know the ugly people who, once again, only CLAIM Islam. But what you dont know Islam. You guys couldnt honestly believe that all violence, terrorism, beheadings, or whatever else stems from Islam. This is ignorant because if you read the Quran, go to a mosque and listen to a lecture you would find Islam to be just as peaceful as Christianity. We love all mankind, we dont look to kill all non-muslims like you think, thats ridiculous. We try to better ourselves and everyone that we can. You have to understand that there are people who claim Islam who make their own rules and say its Islam. These people are DUMBASSES. I hate terrorism and stonings and beheadings too. But you guys just take what you’re fed and run with it. I converted from christianity to islam. My older brother is a homosexual. My dad is a captain in the Army. I came a long way because at one point i didnt understand Islam. I hated muslims. Now I am a muslim because i read books and i actually learned about them. I had convos with them and we became friends. Its a pure religion. If you say theres something wrong with the religion your dead wrong. its people. just like every other religion. there are bad people everywhere. America has set the middle-east as a fuckin target tho. when are you gonna wake up.. listen think what you want. I know islam. if you arent willing to learn the truths about it then thats your ignorance.

          • Dave Watt

            Unfortunately your nice little sunshine version of Islam is actually a front for the REAL Islamic perversion that is spreading across the world, demanding that we all should change to the Islamic way or die…….Step out of your little bubble, you have been purposely mislead by Islam and it is exactly what is designed to do, mislead….. Wakeup pal, your country is being bled to death right before your eyes from within by this sick virus called Islam

          • clevs

            are you kidding me???? whats islam doing to america cuz last i heard its the US army in the middle east not the other way around.. syria is destroying itself (fight between fake muslims and true ones) have you seen whats goin on over there and my country “is being bled to death right before your eyes from within by this sick virus called Islam” really dude.. quit being selfish and arrogant. Islam is in the Quran. whatever I learn is proven by its word and then by science or just common sense. quit being ridiculous. lolol… your STILL ignorant. pointless talking to people like you. wullah.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “syria is destroying itself (fight between fake muslims and true ones)”

            You want to name names? Who are the “real ones?”

          • MAHAN>IRAN

            this is American Conspiracy for new middle east

          • Veracious_one

            The violence in the middle east is instigated by radical pious Muslims to install ‘pure Islam’. You certainly don’t see any Muslim groups or organizations rushing in to tell them just how badly they’re misunderstanding the religion of Islam…Why is that?

          • Veracious_one

            whats islam doing to America

            Written sometime in 1987 but not formally published until May 22, 1991, Akram’s 18-page document listed the Brotherhood’s 29 likeminded “organizations of our friends” that shared the common goal of dismantling American institutions and turning the U.S. into a Muslim nation. These “friends” were identified by Akram and the Brotherhood as groups that could help convince Muslims “that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands … so that … God’s religion [Islam] is made victorious over all other religions.”

          • Veracious_one

            Islam is in the Quran.

            yes…do read the Quran…

            Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” “People of the Book” refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. This was one of the final “revelations” from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad’s companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

          • clevs

            Im fighting you right now….. are you in harms way??.. your ignorant interpretation of the true word blinds you. open your eyes and put your guard down

          • Veracious_one

            Tell the truth about Islam…

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INll6Y5iqbM

          • Veracious_one

            There is no distinction between Islam and culture. Islam is the culture of the Arabs. Anything a Muslim traditionally does in his culture is inherent to Islam, whether or not it is in the Qur’an.

          • clevs

            That is a sheer confirmation of your ignorance.. Please just stop speaking

          • ebonystone

            “… syria is destroying itself (fight between fake muslims and true ones).”

            Please tell us which are the fakes, and which are the true ones.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “I converted from christianity to islam.”

            Why?

            Because you don’t really know either of them.

          • Veracious_one

            because Islam appeals to those with marginal intelligence.

          • john spielman

            and very definite criminal tendencies!

          • MAHAN>IRAN

            Beacause you see Truth

          • john spielman

            how can that be, when Jesus said “I am the way the TRUTH and the life”! (not apartheid Islam and certainly not demon possessed Mohammed)

          • MAHAN>IRAN

            did you read quran ? we believe jesus we believe moosa we believe all of Monotheismus we believe Truth

          • clevs

            Jesus said “I know the truth” christians misinterpreted. Im alive and well and it wasnt due to some made up crucifiction of a human being that gave me life. GOD himself gave me life.. what you practice is blasphemy

          • clevs

            theres nothing to know with christianity… you worship a human more than you worship God… common sense should tell you that its wrong.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            I already know that you’re wrong.

            So that’s your reason?

            Muslims tell me that Christians worship “the cross” and therefore we must emulate the great prophet who revealed and propagated this great intellectual take-down of Christianity while pillaging everything he could find.

          • clevs

            your disregarding what I said and putting words in my mouth… Listen its your job to convince people that your religion is right, its your job to prove that what your saying is undeniable. Im not gonna waste my time proving to you that religion is a lie.. Im here to prove that my religion is the truth.. But in a way you are KINDA right.. After all I was once a Christian.. You try to hide it but you know you have doubts.. Jesus was a man.. Christians even believe that… You worship a man?? Does that honestly make sense to you? The bible is a big book full of fairytale stories, realize it or not

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Listen its your job to convince people that your religion is right, its your job to prove that what your saying is undeniable.”

            My job here is to show that you’re testimony as a witness is useless.

            “Im not gonna waste my time proving to you that religion is a lie.. Im here to prove that my religion is the truth.”

            You can’t do either.

            “But in a way you are KINDA right.. After all I was once a Christian.. You try to hide it but you know you have doubts.. Jesus was a man.. Christians even believe that… You worship a man??”

            I have no doubts about Islam.

            “The bible is a big book full of fairytale stories, realize it or not.”

            It’s clear which narratives are historical and which are merely parables. But more to the point, you can’t sell Islam by mocking the Bible. If you apply the same standard of criticism to both religions, Islam will always lose.

          • clevs

            THEN PROVE YOUR RELIGION SPEAKS THE TRUTH… im not mocking the bible.. im merely responding to the attacks. of course thats not a thing in christianity… your suppose to turn the other cheek…

          • Veracious_one

            in other words non-Muslims are just supposed to lie down and be ruthlessly slaughtered by rampaging Muslims…

          • Veracious_one

            Mohammad was just a man….

          • clevs

            we dont worship mohammed…… get out of this argument if you didnt know that.

          • Veracious_one

            I didn’t say Muslims worshipped Mohammad….

          • clevs

            you implied it….. we do not idolize him.. he was the best man (human being) to ever walk on Earth. He knew Gods rules for us first hand. We follow what he does to prevent mistakes. Christians idolize a man. You got the wrong religion

          • Veracious_one

            but Muslims do idolize him as the perfect man Al-Insan al-Kamil. Muslims behave just like him…and that’s not good for civilization…

          • clevs

            i found the truth… soon your doubts about christianity will get the best of you and you will find that islam is the path.. so hold your breath

          • Veracious_one

            ok…we’ll start learning all about Islam…

            http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101.html

          • clevs

            …from a prejudice website… ignorant

          • Veracious_one

            What part of the report is untrue?

          • Veracious_one

            We love all mankind, we dont look to kill all non-muslims like you think, thats ridiculous.

            of course not…at least not right away..

            Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

          • Veracious_one

            and…

            Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.” According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion’s Five Pillars). This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had the power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

          • MAHAN>IRAN

            Extremism in all thing is bad in Islam or christain or ….
            I read all Divine Books . quran is better than another

          • objectivefactsmatter

            I’m an extremely precise driver.

            Really sorry about that.

          • clevs

            “…friends…”?? the word as it is translated better relates to the word “allies”.. we are not supposed to get on the christians and jews side of things when it comes to religious beliefs.. how the fuck do you expect us to convert people if we cant be friends with them?? Islams numbers are growing. we are friends with all religions.. but those who try to fight islam will not have us as “ALLIES”

          • Veracious_one

            “…friends…”?? the word as it is translated better relates to the word “allies”..

            are you disputing the words of the Quran?

          • clevs

            never disputing the Qur’an.. Im disputing the way you think you know Islam. If you dont know arabic, how do you expect to know what the Qur’an translates into when you have a completely biased outlook on Islam

          • Veracious_one

            a lot of Muslims don’t know Arabic…does that make them bad Muslims?

          • Veracious_one

            The Qur’an can only be fully understood in Arabic. One cannot criticize Islam without knowing Arabic.

            The Truth:

            Although Muslims often tell critics of Islam to “read the Qur’an,” they are usually unprepared for what happens when their advice is heeded. An honest translation of Islam’s holiest book generally reinforces negative opinion. The fallback is to then claim that the Qur’an can only be understood in Arabic.

            Of all the efforts to artificially insulate Islam from intellectual critique, this is probably the most transparent. Unfortunately, for those Muslims craving reassurance from the more embarrassing passages of the Qur’an and Sunnah, this cheap tactic of arbitrarily dismissing anything they disagree with still comes at a heavy price, since Islam cannot be protected in this way without sacrificing its claim to being a universal religion.

            In the first place, it is fundamentally impossible for anyone to learn a language that cannot be translated into the only one they do know, which means the apologists who insist that one “must learn Arabic” in order to understand the Qur’an are committing a logical fallacy. Either the Arabic of the Qur’an is translatable (in which case there is no need to learn Arabic) or it is not (in which case it can never be learned by the non-native speaker).

            Enter the skeptic. While every language has its nuances, how is that Arabic is the only one with words and phrases that are literally untranslatable? More importantly, why in the world would Allah choose to communicate his one true religion for all people in the only language that cannot be understood by all people? Even the vast majority of Muslims and their imams do not speak Arabic.

            Even more suspicious is that this amazing linguistic “discovery” was only recently made – and that it corresponds quite remarkably with the contemporary rejection of Islamic practices that were considered acceptable up until the religion’s recent collision with Western liberalism. In fact, the argument that hidden and alternate meanings exist to unflattering Qur’anic passages (justifying slavery, the inferior status of women, sexual gluttony, holy warfare, wife-beating, and religious discrimination) perfectly corresponds with the level of embarrassment that modern scholars have about the presence of such verses in the Qur’an!

            No other world religion claims that it can only be fully understood in one language. Neither is the same level of effort required to massage primary messages into palatability. While the Bible is distributed pretty much as is by various Christian groups, for example, it is rare to find a Qur’an that does not include voluminous and highly subjective footnoted commentary deemed necessary to explain away the straightforward interpretation of politically-incorrect passages.

            An additional problem for the apologists is that they want to have it both ways. On the one hand they declare that (for some strange reason) the “perfect book” can’t be translated and that Allah’s perfect religion thus cannot be understood by most of humanity without a battery of intercessors and interpreters. Then they turn around and blame the reality of Islamic terrorism on this same “necessary” chain of intermediaries by claiming that the Osama bin Ladens of the world have simply gotten bad clerical advice, causing them to “misunderstand” the true meaning of the Religion of Peace (in the most catastrophic and tragic way imaginable).

            Of course, another irony here is that, as a Saudi, the Qur’an-toting Osama bin Laden was a native Arabic speaker – as are most of the leaders and foot soldiers in his al-Qaeda brotherhood of devout Muslims. In fact, many critics of Islam are Arabic speakers as well – a fact that is often ignored by the apologists, who only find Arabic linguistic skills relevant when they are lacking (not that the same pundits have ever been known to care about whether a critic of the Bible speaks Hebrew or Greek).

            At this point there is only one avenue of escape for the beleaguered apologist – the weak claim that the Qur’an can only be understood in Classical Arabic, an obscure Quraish dialect which has not been commonly used in over a thousand years and is only known by a few hundred people alive today (generally Wahabbi scholars, who are – ironically enough – accused of taking the Qur’an ‘too literally’).

            It is hardly plausible that the differences between classical and modern Arabic are of such significance that peace and tolerance can be confused with terrorism, but even if this were true, it merely begs the question all the more. Why would such a “perfect book” be virtually impossible for the rest of us to learn – and susceptible to such horrible “misinterpretation” on an on-going basis?

            Really, it isn’t hard to see through this childish game, particularly since the rules are applied only to detractors and not to advocates. Apologists never claim that Arabic is a barrier to understanding Islam when it comes to lauding the religion, no matter how less knowledgeable those offering praise are than the critics. Neither do they qualify the claim that “Islam is the fastest growing religion” with the caveat that new converts (or the vast majority of existing Muslims) don’t understand Islam since they can’t read the Quran in Arabic.

            Obviously, the real reason for this illogical myth is that the information age is now making the full history and texts of the Islamic religion available to a broader audience, and the contents are highly embarrassing to both Muslim scholars and their faithful flock. Pretending that different meanings exist in Arabic is means of self-assurance and saving face with others.

          • john spielman

            “we don’t look to kill ALL nonmuslims like you think”…. only those like me that criticize Islam and call Mohammed a demon possessed false prophet. Your sharia law not mine!

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “3 against one…. typical.”

            That’s your argument? Too many people scoff at you so it’s unfair to reply rationally?

            “But what you dont know Islam. You guys couldnt honestly believe that all violence, terrorism, beheadings, or whatever else stems from Islam.”

            That’s not the claim.

            “This is ignorant because if you read the Quran, go to a mosque and listen to a lecture you would find Islam to be just as peaceful as Christianity.”

            On the surface some times Islam can pose as “peaceful as CHristianity. We’re aware.

            “We love all mankind, we dont look to kill all non-muslims like you think, thats ridiculous.”

            Just as I can’t defend priests that might be molesting people without my direct knowledge, you can’t defend others as a class without knowing what they’re up to when they’re not being watched.

            You may speak for yourself of course.

            “These people are DUMBASSES. I hate terrorism and stonings and beheadings too. But you guys just take what you’re fed and run with it.”

            The question is how you can convince us that you represent “the real Islam” while those following the texts are the “distorters.”

            “My older brother is a homosexual. My dad is a captain in the Army. I came a long way because at one point i didnt understand Islam. I hated muslims. Now I am a muslim because i read books and i actually learned about them. I had convos with them and we became friends.”

            We have very little in common. I never hated Muslims for one thing and I have many Muslim friends.

            “Its a pure religion.”

            Sure. Whatever that means. What it means is that you’re indoctrinated to think of it that way.

            “If you say theres something wrong with the religion your dead wrong. its people. just like every other religion. there are bad people everywhere.”

            People are complex. The questions we’re asking (and coming up with answers that you hate) is what is the influence on behavior of various religions and ideologies? Am I a bigot for hating communism? I don’t hate communist dupes. I still hate communism. And I might hate certain people that exploit the dupes or get carried away with ridiculous ideas based on delusion.

            But generally speaking I don’t hate dupes. I want to help them.

            “America has set the middle-east as a fuckin target tho.”

            Totally unprovoked. Stupid, mean USA.

          • clevs

            wow… your really not arguing. do you see that?.. your a professional at quoting and stating your OPINION on something.. I speak for most Muslims. You speak for your religion i will speak for mine.. “Just as I can’t defend priests that might be molesting people without my direct knowledge” im not defending the muslims who are doing wrong………………..Im speaking well of the Muslims who are true to their religion… Your comparison doesnt make any sense. of course you and i have nothing in common.. im open hearted, always try to show respect, i try to keep an debate civil. You on the other hand. and your little possey of attackers put your knives at our throats and expect us to cower… Good luck buddy. good fuckin luck.. your an incompetent child. so long

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Topic: Muslim Terrorist States Argue Over Which of Them is Distorting Islam

            “Im speaking well of the Muslims who are true to their religion”

            You’ve done nothing to overcome or explain the problems we’re discussing.

            “im open hearted, always try to show respect, i try to keep an debate civil. You on the other hand. and your little possey of attackers put your knives at our throats and expect us to cower”

            Yes, you are the victim. Poor you.

          • Dave Watt

            It is a well known trait of muslims to do this, play the victim…no other religion in the world will slaughter anyone who is not a member of their religion, only islam does this, and it is happening across the middle east right now

          • Veracious_one

            and in many other places…

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “You guys are just disgustingly incapable of coexisting.”

          I should not laugh when you distort Islam and sharia like that.

          “There are terrorists who arent muslims you know.”

          I never said there were not. We need to try to understand our problems in order of priority. The scale of Islamic terror makes that a high priority, especially given the objectives they have.

          “Don’t target a Religion/way of life based on some idiotic group of people who ONLY CLAIM the religion. quit being ignorant”

          It seems very much from here as though you’re projecting your own flaws on to others.

          If I’m wrong, can you show me the “undistorted” Islam?

        • Veracious_one

          Islam is a peaceful people.

          bwahahahahahahaha……

          • Veracious_one

            Islam is a peaceful people.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIBNRVgq59Y

          • MAHAN>IRAN

            chechenian are muslim ? no – Taliban are muslim ? no – saudi arabia are muslim ? no they showing a bad face of Isalm they have Muslim view but they aren’t muslim . we say monafegh(منافق)

          • Veracious_one

            Takfir is the practice of one Muslim individual or group declaring another Muslim individual or group to be non-Muslim, and hence to be killed as a heretic or apostate.
            this isn’t being done…Muslim terrorists base their actions on the Quran…no Muslims are rushing in to correct them…

          • MAHAN>IRAN

            In quran said even don’t kill animal if it’s not necessary . humen ???!!! kill Innocent humen is the worst work in the world . if someone do it go to JAHANAM after die . terrorists said لا اله الا الله but …

          • Veracious_one

            In Islam Infidels are not considered ‘innocent….

          • clevs

            in islam the innocent are consider innocent… trust me you dont know islam.

          • Veracious_one

            Islam does prohibit killing innocent people. Unfortunately, Infidels don’t qualify.

            Even though many Muslims earnestly believe that their religion prohibits the killing of innocent people by acts of terrorism, the truth is certainly more complicated. This is why Muslims on both sides of the terror debate accuse the other of hijacking Islam while insisting that they are the true believers. It is also why organizations that commit horrible atrocities in the name of Allah, such as Hamas and Hezbollah, receive a significant amount of moral and financial support from the mainstream.

        • MAHAN>IRAN

          یا ایها الذین آمنوا …

          O you who believe come on to same things between us and you Both of us have accepted the fact that God.

          Holy Koran

        • ebonystone

          Clearly you have little understanding of Christianity. No Christian worships a cross. They do worship God who was incarnate in Jesus Christ.
          It would be far more accurate to say that Moslems worship a rock embedded in a wall in Mecca than to say that Christians worship a cross. The rock that was the one idol among hundreds in Mecca that Mohammed did not destroy.

          • clevs

            what are you doing in this thread???.. God is not a human being, God is not a rock.. Muslims do not worship either… we worship Allah. THE one and ONLY one deserving of worship. because he created this world, the heavens and us. the humans. including jesus. he is a creation therefore he cannot be a creator. *LOGIC*.. the crosses are all over the place are you sure?? theyre on your church walls, your tatted skin, your necklaces, earings, dog collars, haircuts THEYRE EVERYWHERE.. christians do not worship God.. they worship Jesus. idolatry.. we pray in the same direction to show our unity. we pray towards the first mosque built.. we do not pray TO it. your clueless.. honestly.. your christian life is a lie.. keep worshipping a human. keep believing that for some reason, in order for God to forgive your sins, he needed to sacrifice his “son”. as if He didnt have the power to do so in the first place. WITHOUT sacrifice. senseless

          • ebonystone

            “… God is not a rock…..”

            Then why do hundreds of millions of Moslems pray to it, fiver times a day, every day?
            Because their god won’t hear their prayers otherwise. If the rock isn’t their god, then it’s at least the ear of their god.

          • clevs

            Are you illiterate or blind.. I just flat out told you we don’t pray to the mosque..we pray in that direction to show our unity. How we are a community that follow Mohammads teachings. We are not worshipping the mosque. Allah will hear your prayers no matter what. He is the God. We just try to do things in a strict manner to ensure little room for error.. Don’t listen tho…i don’t care what you think really. Your gonna pull some more BS out of thin air and state it as if its factual.. The FACT of the matter is, the only way you can get to God IS TO BELIEVE HE ALONE IS GOD… Not thru Jesus. Jesus is not a god stop embarrassing him with your foolish religion. Honestly. Salam sister. I really can’t do with all the ignorance and stupidity here. I’m not gonna sit here trying to get through to you people when you won’t even consider listening to what I have to say. Peace

          • Nelu Roman

            All your religion is based on a cave, a man and one angel whom no one, except Muhammad, has ever seen. Quran is a book rife with scientific errors, language errors, literary errors, logical errors,and a lot of other stupidities and urges to killing infidels. But, my God! you have the audacity of calling it “a book from God” You cannot be further from truth. If you can prove me wrong I will send you my new(approximately) car wherever you could live.

          • clevs

            “scientific errors” ????? name one scientific error that is in the Qur’an. Please I will become agnostic if you can list one.

          • Nelu Roman

            Well…. I am sorry for you, I can name not only just one mistake, but many, many more. Let’s take this verse from Qur’an Q:18:86 “Until he ( Zul- Quranain) reached the setting of the sun. He found it set in a spring of murky water”. Zul- Quarain is considered today by most Islam scholars as referring to Alexander the Great. During the time of Mohammad it was believed that he conquered the whole world, until at the place where the sun “set in a spring of murky water”. Of course, there is no such a place on the Earth. But at that time it was believed that the Earth is flat and the sun moves in sky from east to west, rising from a place and setting in another.
            Q:78:6
            “We made the Earth as a bed” it is clear that the Earth doesn’t look like as a bed, it is round and not flat, but the Qur’an is a book written in 7th century and it reflects popular believes characteristic at that time. I could remind you about verses stating that stars are used as missiles against “jins” or mountains were laid down only to prevent the Earth from shaking. In fact, the process is quite “vice-versa”, when mountains form the Earth is shaking. As I said, there are still many more other scientific errors in Qur’an, and if we add to these mistakes the Hadiths mistakes all what we get is 1001 Nights like fairy tales. It is not need you become an agnostic because of this, neither science is able, at this particular time, to prove or to disapprove the existence of a God.The problem is not that. The problem is you should not take a book, doesn’t matter what book, as the supreme truth in anything it says. The world evolved in any aspect of our existence, so, for sure, a 17th century book cannot be than outdated in many aspects. A book like Qur’an can be useful as a spiritual guide, but when it tries to deal with material matters it cannot be than wrong. For sure God could not let his creation limited to the sayings of such an outdated book. He must have created something that to update itself according to the times. And that is our conscience. This conscience, unlike any book, has evolved along the centuries. Imagine that the human kind is like a computer. The best computers are those that include programs that update themselves. Can be God less skilled in this regard than a soft programmer? As long as you consider Qur’an as a tool that helps you to improve your spiritual relationship with God, you could be absolutely right. If you try to apply all its verses to your material day-by-day life of our times, you could not be more wrong. It is clear, you cannot arrive to God by science, but by faith, and for sure not by blind faith, but by a faith carved from a conscience that evolved along the centuries. Of course, if you think that any human being exists only to be a slave of Allah, then anything I said has no relevance to you,

    • Dave Watt

      idiot

    • Veracious_one

      “The anti-Muslim rhetoric, which has saturated public discourse, has left the impression that Islam and its followers are being targeted for annihilation. The reaction from the Muslim community has been to strike out in violence to defend its survival and restore its honor and restore dignity.” — from this article

      What “anti-Muslim rhetoric” has “saturated public discourse” would that be? The constant references by every single political figure in the Western world who counts to Islam as a “religion” of “peace” and “tolerance” (Bush, Blair), a “great religion” (Rice), a “proud religion” (Stephen Hadley) whose adherents are horrified by those who do terrible things “in the name of Islam” while they violate the essence of this “peaceful” and “tolerant” and “great” and “proud” religion? Do you, inhabitant of the Western world, feel that anti-Muslim rhetoric has saturated public discourse? Do you feel that way even given how the major newspapers and radio and television can hardly bring themselves even to mention the word “terrorist” (with the BBC being the gold standard of appeasement)? Do you feel that way even after 1350 years of Muslim conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims — or if we ignore that, after decades of Muslim Jihad in Kashmir, Israel, West Africa and East Africa, India, and within the Muslim lands the continued persecution and murder of non-Muslims (chiefly Christians and Hindus) — or if we ignore even that, then simply the last four years of attacks, some of them famous, with many victims, some of them hardly noted, with few victims, some of them attacks warded off or foiled so they get no attention at all (there have been 25,000 would-be terrorist attacks in Israel in the past four years)? Anti-Muslim rhetoric has saturated public discourse? This is nonsense.

      Muslims are not “striking out” in reaction to any of the quite modest measures undertaken so far to deal with Muslim terrorism. It is fantastic, after all, that many of the mosques tied to terrorism have not been permanently shut, or that all Muslim immigration has not as yet permanently been closed down — as if we somehow have a duty to allow into our midst those whose belief-system tells them that they must hate us, must not take us as friends, but must only feignedly do so at times in order to further the cause of Islam, and that Muslims everywhere have a duty to participate, collectively and sometimes individually, in the Jihad to spread Islam, using whatever instruments are available and most effective.

      Muslims are doing what they have always done whenever they have the chance. What has changed are three things:

      1) The permitted migration of large numbers of Muslims into Bilad al-Kufr, the Lands of the Infidels;

      2) The gigantic increase in Arab and Muslim wealth, entirely the product of an accident of geology — with that money providing the wherewithal for the vast support for the building and maintenance of a network of mosques and madrasas all over the world, including the Infidel lands, and money for propaganda: for the hiring of public relations agents, lawyers, businessmen, diplomats, intelligence agents, and academics all of whom work, some in this way, some in that, to be apologists both for Islam. Often they work, more specifically, for Saudi Arabia and its objectives in promoting, as all Muslims inevitably must if they are good Muslims, the Jihad to spread Islam across the globe — for Islam “must dominate and is not to be dominated”;

      3) The technological developments that have permitted the spreading of the full message of Islam into every nook and cranny of the Muslim world, so that even the simple illiterate villager, the pious man who might say his prayers but go no further than that, can now be exposed to propaganda on tapes (think of what those tapes did for the Ayatollah Khomeini when he was still in his French exile — those tapes that spread all over Iran with his violent and implacable message, so thoroughly Islamic) and on videocassettes (now also spread around — how wonderful to see those decapitations of various Infidels, the knife going in, the blood spurting — what a recruitment tool! what an inspiration to Muslims everywhere!), and of course satellite channels (such as Rached Ghannouchi’s ongoing attempts to undermine Tunisian secularism via satellite from London).

      Unhindered migration behind Infidel lines, vast sums of money, and technological advances in the West and by the West, exploited by Muslims who were themselves completely incapable of such advances, or indeed of creating economies that would earn them the kind of revenues the oil bonanza allows them — these are the three developments that explain the problem.

      Jihad was not born yesterday. The pseudo-moderate Kamal Nawash insisted on the BBC yesterday the the “problem” for non-Muslims with Islam somehow began, for reasons he carefully does not identify, about 20 years ago That’s right: while admitting that the current problem is not to be attributed to this or that specific grievance, whether that grievance is summarily identified as “Iraq” or “Palestine,” Nawash carefully insisted to Claire Bolderson that “the problem started about 20 years ago.” In other words, even as he goes through the motions of being a “brave” and “outspoken” reformer — which these days, in order to win the hearts, and mindes, and especailly the pocketbooks of those dispensers of grant money and private contributions and even government funding — Nawash is clearly diverting attention from, for example, the analysis that correctly labels the Arab Muslim (and Arab islamochristian) war on Israel as a classic Jihad, and would like to make the problem seem to be one that does not extend as far back as the creation of Islam, but is simply a matter of some “20 years.” Well, to say such a thing shows the phoniness, or possibly the incomplete miscomprehension (or possibly the complete comprehension) of Islamic doctrine by Mr. Kamal Nawash.

      The “problem” did not start “20 years ago.” The “problem” — to which there is no “solution” — started 1350 years ago, with an ideology. The ability to spread that ideology, the ability to pay for the spread of that ideology by supporting Muslims, and therefore Muslim demands, and conduct of Da’wa, in the West — that is a function of several things happening all at once, roughly over the past 40 years. First, there was the beginning of North African immigration into France in the mid-late 1960s, after the Algerian War ended, and the nearly-simultaneous beginnings of Turkish gastarbeiter going to West Germany (Ludwig Erhard’s wunderbar economic boom, don’t forget), and Pakistanis to England. The flow increased, and to it were added Moroccans in Spain, Somalis and North Africans and Egyptians in Italy. Everywhere, Saudi and other Arab money helped to fortify the presence of Muslims and the potential for the future conduct of Da’wa.

      That is the how it happened. This is how we got to where we are today.

    • iluvisrael

      I learned pretty much all I need to know about you bloodthirsty cult on 9/11.

  • onecornpone

    This unsophisticated level of rhetoric is our pay for shoving a hoard of third-worlders onto the international stage at the U.N. How naive of us to believe the “world” would develop our level of discernment.

  • Gee

    Islam is a fascist cult of xenophobes. They hate everybody including each other

    • http://ironburka.blogspot.com/ Mullah Lodabullah

      Every man’s sword against his brother.

    • Privat Privat

      arnt you beeing rasist right now, how would you like it if People of Islam called you a fascist cult of atheists!

      • Privat Privat

        Think im useing the rasist card bit much, but you know what i mean.

    • clevs

      youre a fucking dumbass. generalizing. i otta tell your mother. lol

  • Lysander Spooner

    There’s a joke going around:

    Q. What is a moderate muslim?
    A. One who hasn’t pulled the trigger on his suicide vest yet.

    Jokes like this should not be tolerated.

    And it’s not very polite to point out that moderate muslims can take comfort in the fact that license to kill is always there for them in islamic doctrine.

    • chris heath

      Don’t forget -72 virgin wives mean 72 mothers-in-law.

  • clevs

    when you guys actually learn something about Islam, make statements on it. Until then, you are still ignorant. You know what the media tells you. You know what this idiot (the author of this article) implies. You know the ugly people who, once again, only CLAIM Islam. But what you dont know Islam. You guys couldnt honestly believe that all violence, terrorism, beheadings, or whatever else stems from Islam. This is ignorant because if you read the Quran, go to a mosque and listen to a lecture you would find Islam to be just as peaceful as Christianity. We love all mankind, we dont look to kill all non-muslims like you think, thats ridiculous. We try to better ourselves and everyone that we can. You have to understand that there are people who claim Islam who make their own rules and say its Islam. These people are DUMBASSES. I hate terrorism and stonings and beheadings too. But you guys just take what you’re fed and run with it. I converted from christianity to islam. My older brother is a homosexual. My dad is a captain in the Army. I came a long way because at one point i didnt understand Islam. I hated muslims. Now I am a muslim because i read books and i actually learned about them. I had convos with them and we became friends. Its a pure religion. If you say theres something wrong with the religion your dead wrong. its people. just like every other religion. there are bad people everywhere. America has set the middle-east as a fuckin target tho. when are you gonna wake up.. listen think what you want. I know islam. if you arent willing to learn the truths about it then thats your ignorance.

    • Veracious_one

      Before visiting a mosque, please google the phrase “taqiyya and tu-quoque” and arm yourself with knowledge. Be prepared to ask — sweetly, in an Infidel-Wants-to-Know Mode — about Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha when she was nine, about the assassinations of Asma bint Marwan and others, about the massacre of the inoffensive Jewish farmers of the Khaybar oasis, about the decapitation of 600-900 helpless prisoners of the Banu Qurayza, and about so much more. Be sure to mention the Hadith.

      Do not let the presentation to those Infidels (hmmm, doesn’t that spicy chicken and that pita, and then the honeyed dessert, all waiting for us afterwards, smell good, I can’t keep my mind off it, how nice these people are, what good hearts they have to invite us in to share their food and their faith) be allowed to finish without making the most that you possibly can out of that “question time.” And bear in mind that you will only be called on once, so you had better have your questions ready — not really to be answered, but so that they can provoke thought and unease in your fellow Infidels who have come, unlike you, without any mental weapons whatsoever.

      Ask about the relevance of what Muhammad did and said for today’s Muslims. Ask why he is called in the Qur’an “uswa hasana” and in Islamic tradition “al-insan al-kamil”? If told such things as Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha must be “put in the context of their times,” don’t forget to ask why virtually the first act of Khomeini in Iran was to lower the marriageable age of girls to nine.

      Oh, and ask about the concept of the “Dhimmi.” Ask what was required of Christians and Jews as non-Muslims under Muslim rule. What did they have to do, in order to remain alive, as “Protected People,” rather than dead, as Unprotected People, or to prevent their being forcibly converted — as opposed to the slow conversion, over time, which was usually the only way open to them to escape the onerous, sometimes unendurable situation of being a dhimmi.

      And afterwards, when the talk and question time have come to an end, and when other Infidels come up to you, quietly, to thank you for speaking up and speaking out, and expressing their own inarticulate unease, tell them a few of the books you have read. Tell them about Bat Ye’or, Ibn Warraq, and Spencer. Tell them of this and other websites (www.faithfreedom.org, http://www.dhimmitude.org, http://www.answering-islam.org, for a start). Agree to take their names and phone numbers or emails, and to send them a further list so that they, too, will not merely rely on the nonsense and lies fed to them by the soft-voiced propagandists.

      Be sure, that evening, to count how often those propagandists mention something about “the three abrahamic faiths” and the “three monotheisms” that “have so much in common.” See how often one of the Muslims present tries to use crocodile-sympathies to deplore the mistreatment of Jews by Christians, as opposed to what he will claim is the “tolerance” of Islam, and do agree with him on one point: that Islam manages to mistreat all non-Muslims.

      See if there is any mention of Hindus, or perhaps bring with you to the evening a Hindu colleague of the completely unfoolable kind, so that his mere presence in the audience will unnerve the speaker and others. See if there is mention of the 60-70 million Hindus murdered under Muslim rule, and if not, point out that strange omission sometime during the evening.

      Oh, and after that? When you all go to the room with the steaming table of that chicken (or lamb) and pita bread and that delicious baklavish dessert? Go right in, along with the other Infidels, mingling with the handful of Muslims in that mosque who agreed to come out that night and agreed to allow the defilement of their mosque by these Infidels, for it was all in a good cause: defending, shoring up, the Faith, until such time as it becomes strong enough here and in other Infidel lands, so that no more Mosque Outreach, no more phony politeness and sweet reason, will be needed with these Infidels.

      Break the silence of the lambs. But not by bleating. By studying in advance just enough about Islam — enough to make things hot that night in the mosque, and not only for that waiting chicken, that pita, that rice.

    • Veracious_one

      yes indeed…learn about Islam…

      I. Taqiyya and Tu-Quoque
      NPR’s All Things Considered. January 7, 2005 • “Jihad” is one of the few Arabic words used in English. It means “spiritual struggle,” but many Muslims have pointed out that “jihad” is almost always used in English in the context of terrorism, even though the actual meaning is broader. Commentator Anisa Mehdi would like to propose a word that could be used instead of “jihad.” — From the NPR Website

      Anisa Mehdi, a guest on NPR’s All Things Considered, has suggested that for the word “Jihad” – possibly the word of greatest significance in the texts, and history, of Islam – another word could be used. For Muslims, she insisted, were made uneasy by the continued use of this word “in the context of terrorism” when its “actual meaning is broader.” And so, to prevent unnecessary harm to Islam’s image, she asks if it might not be possible to avoid the word “Jihad” altogether.

      She has a point. And we will sharpen her point, with a pencil-sharpener of our own choosing. But first it would be useful to describe the current state of Infidel knowledge about Islam, and of Muslim attempts to shape or limit that knowledge. An army of apologists for Islam, both Muslim and non-Muslim, is abroad in the land today, yet many Infidels seem not to be following the script. Some appear determined to educate themselves, rather than rely on the Outreach Programs of local imams in local mosques or, for that matter, on National Public Radio. Not everyone seems quite as willing, as they once were, to be satisfied by the pabulum of Karen Armstrong or the coffee-table books of John Esposito. Infidels have discovered websites where four or even five Quran’ic translations are laid out for comparative reading, a horizontal pentapla that may be accessed at http://www.usc.edu. At the same site, or at many others, Infidels can now read for themselves hundreds of the Hadith (the sayings and acts of Muhammad), as collected and catalogued according to its relative authenticity by such trusted Hadith-compilers, or muhaddithin, as Bukhari and Muslim (a proper name). In addition to reading Qur’an and Hadith, Infidels can read the sira, or life of Muhammad. As al-insan al-kamil, the Model of Perfect Man, the figure of Muhammad is at the center of Islam, and everything he is reported to have done or said, or even remained silent about, in 7th century Arabia, remains as vivid, compelling, and emulous today.

      And finally, not content with reading Qur’an and Hadith and sira, those Infidels have embarked on learning about the history of Jihad-conquest of those vast lands where, far more numerous, settled, wealthy, and advanced populations, of Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, and Buddhists all lived and, upon conquest, when not killed or forcibly converted at once to Islam, were permitted to live as “dhimmis,” as non-Muslims under Muslim rule were called, subject to carefully elaborated financial, legal, political, and social disabilities that made life for them one of humiliation, degradation, and physical insecurity.

      It has been quite an effort to prevent Infidels from getting the wrong (that is to say, the right) impression of Islam, at least until such time as Muslims in the West currently singing the praises of “pluralism” no longer have need for Infidel good will and tolerance. To date, the twin techniques of “Taqiyya” and Tu-Quoque have been relied on. “Taqiyya” is the religiously-sanctioned doctrine, with its origins in Shi’a Islam but now practiced by non-Shi’a as well, of deliberate dissimulation about religious matters that may be undertaken to protect Islam, and the Believers. A related term, of broader application, is “kitman,” which is defined as “mental reservation.” An example of “Taqiyya” would be the insistence of a Muslim apologist that “of course” there is freedom of conscience in Islam, and then quoting that Qur’anic verse — “There shall be no compulsion in religion.” But the impression given will be false, for there has been no mention of the Muslim doctrine of abrogation, or naskh, whereby such an early verse as that about “no compulsion in religion” has been cancelled out by later, far more intolerant and malevolent verses. In any case, history shows that within Islam there is, and always has been, “compulsion in religion” for Muslims, and for non-Muslims. The “compulsion” for Muslims comes from the treatment of apostasy as an act punishable by death. And though “dhimmis” are allowed to practice their religion, they do so under conditions of such burdens and restrictions that many, not as an act of conscience but rather as a response to inexorable Muslim pressure, have converted (or “reverted”) to Islam.

      “Kitman” is close to “taqiyya,” but rather than outright dissimulation, it consists in telling only a part of the truth, with “mental reservation” justifying the omission of the rest. One example may suffice. When a Muslim maintains that “jihad” really means “a spiritual struggle,” and fails to add that this definition is a recent one in Islam (little more than a century old), he misleads by holding back, and is practicing “kitman.” When he adduces, in support of this doubtful proposition, the hadith in which Muhammad, returning home from one of his many battles, is reported to have said (as known from a chain of transmitters, or isnad), that he had returned from “the Lesser Jihad to the Greater Jihad” and does not add what he also knows to be true, that this is a “weak” hadith, regarded by the most-respected muhaddithin as of doubtful authenticity, he is further practicing “kitman.”

      The use of the word in Qur’an and Hadith, and constantly through 1350 years of Muslim history, has certainly endowed the word “Jihad” with a meaning of struggle, usually through military means, to expand the domain of Islam. Almost all Muslims understand that “warfare” (qital, qatala) is the essential meaning of the word. But Infidels, who prefer to think otherwise, have eagerly snapped up little guides such as that put out a few years ago by Karen Armstrong, a compleat apologist and no scholar of Islam, who made sure to quote that hadith in support of her proposition that Jihad is a “spiritual struggle.” The meaning of words comes from their common and accepted usage, not from what someone wishes to convince us should, for the purpose of a temporarily comforting harmony, be believed to be the meaning.

      Jihad as military conquest is of course discussed in the Qur’an and Hadith, and in the commentaries on the Qur’an. And while “qital” or combat is mentioned 27 times in the Qur’an, other instruments of Jihad are also commonly discussed; any Islamic website will provide examples. One is the use of “wealth” to create the conditions that will help to spread Islam. Another is the use of “pen, speech” – persuasion, propaganda — to spread Islam. Still another instrument of Jihad discussed, for example, in the pages of Muslim newspapers, is the use of demography as a weapon of Jihad. Muslim populations within the Bilad al-kufr, or Lands of the Infidels, are seen as helping to spread through Da’wa, the Call to Islam, and in their own increasing presence within Infidel lands, as contributing to the inexorable spread of Islam.

      The situation in the world today borders on the fantastic. Never before in history has one civilization allowed large numbers of those who come from an alien, and immutably hostile situation, to settle deep within that first civilization’s borders. Never before have the members of one civilization failed to investigate, and even willfully refused to investigate, or to listen to those who warn about, the consequences for all non-Muslims of the belief-system of Islam. In history, the phenomenon of the Barbarians at the Gates is hardly new. Those barbarians lay siege; if they win, they enter in triumph. Should they lose, the advanced civilization survives. But never before have the gates been opened, to an entering force that has not even been identified or understood. Never before have the inhabitants of the by-now vulnerable city made efforts not to recognize, or realize, what they have done, and what they have undone. That demographic intrusion shows no signs of diminishing. The systematic building of mosques and madrasas, paid for by Saudi Arabia, everywhere in the Western world, helps to make the conduct of Muslim life easier. Western populations have been trained to make much of “celebrating diversity” and “promoting difference” and constructing, on a base of militant but unexamined pluralism, an edifice of legal rights and entitlements. These rights, these entitlements, this militant pluralism are exploited by Muslims who do not believe in pluralism. Nor do they accept the individual rights of conscience and free speech, the legal equality of men and women, and of religious and racial minorities, recognized, for example, in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Their current claim to support pluralism is based on the need to protect, and increase the power of, the Muslim umma, or Community, within the West, until such time as that umma no longer needs to pretend to have any interest in Western pluralism and Western values.

      “Taqiyya” and “kitman” are no longer needed for Muslims addressing purely Muslim audiences. While in the early days, the Shi’a were afraid of Sunni persecution, and therefore needed to practice taqiyya, today both Sunni and Shi’a, by and large, do not find that they need dissimulate about the nature of Islam for other Muslims. It is only when non-Muslims may overhear, and begin to understand, an intra-Muslim discussion, that the need to dissimulate is emphasized. Yassir Arafat could, with impunity, refer to the Treaty of al-Hudaibiyya in speeches to fellow Muslims. He was fortunate; no Westerners, or even Israelis, seemed to think that the significance of that repeated allusion to Muhammad’s treaty with the Meccans in 628 A.D. needed to be examined.

      Among those who see no need to practice taqiyya when rousing fellow Muslims, but instead see the need to remind their listeners of the central tenets and teachings of Islam, are Osama Bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi. The canonical texts support their view of the need for, the duty for, Jihad. And they receive a good deal of support, and admiration, all over the Muslim world. For they are not renegades, not unorthodox, not the promoters of a wild misinterpretation of Islam. Their view of Islam is exactly what Muhammad, Ibn Taymiyya, Al-Ghazali, Ibn Khaldun, and all the greatest Qur’anic commentators, muhaddithin, and theologians in the history of Islam, would have understood and shared. Some Muslims believe that at the moment, Islam is too weak, and therefore, for the sake of Islam itself, the truth of its teachings should not be so clearly expressed, and acted upon. It may be that Bin Laden and Al-Zawahiri themselves will reach the same conclusion. That would not constitute an abandonment of Jihad, but rather a prudent relinquishing of terrorism as a weapon of Jihad, and greater emphasis on other, tactically more effective, weapons of Jihad, such as Da’wa and demographic increase. The idea that “Jihad” is primarily a “spiritual struggle” would cause laughter everywhere in the world’s mosques and madrasas, for Muslims know that this definition is flatly contradicted by their texts and their entire history. Yet, the same imam who gives a fiery speech about Jihad can show up at an Interfaith Rally and, with seemingly complete conviction, assure his Infidel audience that, of course, “Jihad” refers only to “a spiritual struggle.” This kind of thing is second nature.

      Infidels need to understand that however wary they may pride themselves on being, they are still not prepared for the world of the Muslim East. After many decades of work in Egypt, Lord Edward Cecil affixed, as the epigraph to his once-famous Memoirs of an Egyptian Official, the following: “Here lies one who tried to hustle the East.” Many Englishmen regarded that epigraph as the perfect summary of their own encounters with the Muslim world. “War is deceit,” Muhammad said, and those who regard him as al-insan al-kamil, the Most Perfect of Men, have become past masters at the art of deceit. It is nearly impossible to find a Muslim who will admit to the full truth of what Islam teaches about Infidels, though occasionally it happens. Ex-Muslims are just as well-versed in the teachings of Islam as those who remain Muslims, for they do not suddenly cease to understand Islam when they leave the faith.. They remain the best sources of knowledge about what it means to grow up as a Muslim, in a Muslim society, surrounded by the attitudes toward Infidels that Islam engenders and promotes.

      Sometimes Taqiyya is not enough. Muslim spokesmen often attempt to convince an audience of Infidels that Islam is a religion of “peace” and “tolerance.” This, nowadays, works less well than it used to, and if an audience shows signs of not being completely convinced, another tack – that of Tu-Quoque – is attempted. Now these same spokesmen, who a minute before were all sweetness-and-light, begin to attack Christianity and Judaism for their own lack of “peace” and “tolerance.” They support this attack with bloodcurdling passages from Leviticus or some obscure text, possibly attributed to a rabbi from 2500 years ago.

      The Crusades are presented by Muslim apologists as a defining moment in Muslim-Christian relations, a moment in which the peaceful and inoffensive Muslims were attacked, without cause. In this version, not a word is uttered about the centuries of Muslim Jihad-conquest that preceded the Crusades – nearly 400 years of seizing lands formerly occupied by Christians in Mesopotamia, Syria, Egypt, North Africa (where, among other Fathers of the Church, Tertullian and St. Augustine were born and lived).

      Nor is what prompted the Crusades ever mentioned. For in 1009 A.D. the Fatimid Caliph Hakim had ordered the destruction of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, and for almost a century the Muslims steadily made encroachments on the Christian presence in, and access to, what was for Western Christendom the Holy Land. And there were, for a thousand years, until the 19th century, a constant series of Muslim raiding-parties that came by sea, and attacked the coastal villages throughout Europe, as far as Ireland and even, in one instance, Iceland. Villages were razed, and many villagers killed, and a million European Christians were kidnapped (see the recent White Gold, by Giles Milton), brought back to dar al-Islam, enslaved, and often forcibly converted. The Crusades have to be understood in their full context.

      In Islam the world is uncompromisingly divided between dar al-Islam, the House of Islam, and dar al-harb, the House of War, where Infidels have not yet been subjugated to Islam. “Islam is to dominate and not to be dominated” and eventually, all of the world, which belongs to Allah, will become part of dar al-Islam. The Jihad is the “struggle” to expand Islam, to create the conditions where Muslims may rule, and Islam may prevail. This Jihad to spread Islam has lasted 1350 years. It has no end, until its goal is reached, whatever periods of quiescence must be observed because of lack of effective instruments or power. Not every Muslim heart beats with passion for this idea, but around the world, a great many do. Furthermore, Infidels can never know when a Muslim who seemed so Westernized, so removed from such matters, may undergo a transformation, into a much more menacing True Believer.

      The Crusades were different. They were limited in both time and space. There was no interest in re-conquering, for Christianity, any territories held by Muslims beyond the Holy Land itself. The Crusades lasted a mere 200 years. Yet this difference is never noted by Muslims intent on blaming “the Crusades” and not the history of Jihad-conquest of Christian lands, and of the subjugation of Christian populations, to Muslim rule and to Muslim oppression (for the “dhimmi” was not so much a member of a “protected people” as of an “oppressed” –because deliberately humiliated and degraded — “people”).

      Tu-Quoque has led to real absurdities. At one gathering with a Muslim panel and an audience of Infidels, a Muslim professor recently assured his listeners that “Ku Klux Klan members used to sing Christian hymns as they crucified Afro-Americans.” No one bothered to point out that the Ku Klux Klan did not “crucify,” but lynched, its victims; that the Grand Kleagle did not lead his followers in song, much less Christian hymns, during these lynchings, and that the stoutest enemies of slavery, and then of the Ku Klux Klan, were to be found in the churches themselves, beginning with such celebrated abolitionist ministers as the Reverend Theodore Parker and Henry Ward Beecher.

      Though NPR has had hosts and guests who allude to Islam, those hosts, and those guests, almost without exception, are well-versed graduates of the Taqiyya and Tu-Quoque schools or, as the taxonomically-minded rhetoricians would say, suppressio veri and suggestio falsi. Those with degrees in Taqiyya insist on focusing on that “handful of extremists,” and “radical Islamists” who, of course, have nothing to do with “the real Islam,” the “peaceful, tolerant Islam” practiced by “the vast majority of moderate Muslims.” Graduates of the Tu-Quoque Academy (whose diplomas are still written in Latin) like to refer airily to “fundamentalists on all sides” who pose an equal threat to one another, and how important it is to “rein in the crazies” that “every society” and “every religion” throws up. But now, at least one invited guest commentator on NPR has suggested that things need to be taken one step further, and the word “Jihad” be dispensed with altogether. And should that step be taken, all the king’s horses and all the king’s men will not be able to put NPR together again.

      • ebonystone

        Here’s another foreign word that means “struggle”: the German word “Kampf”; as in “Mein Kampf.”

        • clevs

          Hitler was an atheist……. And jihad means spiritual struggle

          • josephherring

            Hitler admired Mohammad. In fact, he wanted to use Islam to dominate the world. That just goes to show you how destructive Islam is. He also used Muslims during WWII. If you look at Jihads when they salute you will see it is the same as when they saluted Hitler.

          • clevs

            pretty sure one of hitlers top things was that he did not like people with brown hair and brown eye. quit with your conspiracies

          • josephherring

            This is not a conspiracy, this is an actual fact. The grand Mufti Muhammad Amin al-Husayni assisted Hitler during WWII. They both met together several times. There are even pictures of them together. Now as you can see by the pictures I have provided that this is not some kind of conspiracy, but instead the truth. Anything else you would like to know?

      • Dave Watt

        Top post

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Interesting.

      So are you saying that Mohammed’s violence didn’t stem from the Koran?

      And when the Koran tells Muslims not be friends of Jews or Christians Qur’an (5:51), is this an example of love for mankind?

  • http://ironburka.blogspot.com/ Mullah Lodabullah

    So many distorters, misunderstanders and betrayers – if only they could see islam as a religion of peace, tolerance and harmony in the same manner as Western politicians.

    • Eitan Blumin

      A good amount of petrodollars always helps to achieve that.

      • http://ironburka.blogspot.com/ Mullah Lodabullah

        Indeed!

    • john spielman

      I agree, islam is a real load of bullah!

    • Bobby Donavan

      Look around you Abdullah Mullah. Syria Muslims killing Muslims, some even eating the hearts of their enemies, after cutting them out. others throwing children of roofs and betting to see which one landed the furthest. Afghanistan Muslims stoning muslims to death, And killing Christians, Christians having their heads chopped of in Iraq, Somalia, Pakistan, and all the other Muslim countries.
      You are a sick Murderous Rapist bunch of Inbred savages. God will send a meteor and destroy Mecca. That ungodly Satanic cesspit of snakes and scorpions

      • http://ironburka.blogspot.com/ Mullah Lodabullah

        I might let my good friend Mullah Fullazabullah reply to this.

  • MAHAN>IRAN

    Islam is religion of peace but someone are Muslim View bur they aren’t muslim like saudi arabian goverment(monarch)

    • john spielman

      show me ONE passage in the new testament that allows followers of Christ Jesus to kill main or force-ably convert ANY ONE like Islam does (see Sharia law and hadiths of Mohammed)
      Luke 19 is a parable about the return of Jesus when HE will (with His Holy angels) destroy all evil and evil doers-see Revelation 19

      • MAHAN>IRAN

        go to syria and see germans & british … Religion make humens Not humen Make Religion. Islam is the newest religion in the world . come to Iran , go to Indonesia , can u see terrorist ? but if u go to Afghanistan or Iraq every day see terrorist .

        this is plan for new middle east and planner is zion

      • clevs

        you arent followers of jesus christ…..or else youd be muslim

    • Veracious_one

      Name some peaceful things that the millions of peaceful Muslims have done lately…

    • clevs

      these people are cowards. ganging up on us with anti-muslim (they clearly state) sources. its pointless trying to get through to them. brother dont stress these people… they are brain washed… the Believers will unite in the hereafter. these people wont be there to witness.. only then they will learn..

      • Dave Watt

        You and your ilk are completely disgusting

  • v

    Islam is God’s curse on earth. It is not a religion, it is a mix of cult, politics, slavery, controls, beheadings, treachery, non tolerance and justified murder, where a human life means nothing and violent ideology means everything, as we have witnessed in the past 2 or 3 decades when news from their world became more available. Try be a practicing Christian or “curse be upon them” a Jew in their midst. To those of us who have lived among them, we have known what they are about way before the rest of the world found out about their evil.

    • clevs

      youre a disgrace to human beings… a waste of clean air and space. dispose of yourself discretely.

      • Dave Watt

        So much for your religious tolerance, this is the real you and your sick cult in action

        • clevs

          Right.. Cuz I’m in the wrong for responding to disrespectful remarks about my religion.. You can dispose of yourself to.. You are dismissed

          • Bobby Donavan

            Inbred slave. I take it you want to marry children, most converts do. Pedostani’s mostly

    • Bobby Donavan

      It seems some of us are still walking round with our eyes wide shut. Islam is a cancer spreading around the world.
      We need to stop this now

  • chris heath

    Who cares who is distorting what? Here are the facts.

    Since 9/11 there have been over 22,000 confirmed Islamic terrorist attacks, both against non-Muslims, and Muslims.
    That represents about 200,000 dead, with 400,000 injured, maimed, limbless, blind or permanently incapacitated. search trop thereligionofpeace

    Who cares who is distorting what – they are all reading from the same manual, the hate-filled Koran. Allah, and Paradise have got a lot to answer for.

    • Bobby Donavan

      Well said Chris

  • Veracious_one

    “They want to market the democratic and peaceful US Islam… they want an Islam that has no sharia ruling, no jihad and no Islamic caliphate.”
    and what’s wrong with a peaceful Islam?

  • De Doc

    Aren’t the Zionists behind the scenes distorting Islam and forcing all these normally good natured and peaceful Muslims into terrorizing and savaging each other?

  • clevs

    continue to follow blindly you sheep.. youre being lead right into the fire. ISLAM IS THE ONLY WAY. you will suffer for your ignorance

    • Dave Watt

      Oh really? you are deluded

      • PG

        In the end, Muslims can’t help but bring out the violent-punishment talk. They talk peace for a while, then they get nasty. It’s so predictable.

        • clevs

          thats probably got something to do with them being cornered by a group of idiots who think they know Islam and the Qur’an better than Muslims… Possibly

          • clevs

            prime example: this thread

    • ServosT

      Islam has brought nothing but poverty and ignorance to the world. And piracy and slavery. And terrorism and backwardness.

  • Nelu Roman

    It seems to me you re-invented a religion,Islam, which has little, if any, in common to real Islam that has existed for 1400 years. The real Islam has always been involved in murder, mass murder. What we see now in Syria, Nigeria, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Pakistan Afghanistan is nothing new if we see the things in connection to Islam. Muslims usually start a conversation saying something like “Peace be on our Prophet and his family and companions”. That is sheer hypocrisy. You, early Muslims, murdered many members of Prophet family and also many of his close companions. That is Islam, first killings then apologies . And you still have the audacity to call your religion peaceful. Aisha and Ali, two of the most representative figures of your religion, fought each other with the result of thousands and thousands people being killed, but you still call them sinless. Your religion doesn’t make sense at all, sincerely.

  • Veracious_one

    im a follower of islam. i will not hurt, attack, disrespect, kill anyone anything unless i have been disrespected,
    so, if someone says something you don’t like to hear your response would be to kill them?

    • clevs

      you ignored important aspects of my statement.. That’s the thing about children these days…they only hear what they want to. YOU are a child.

      • Veracious_one

        it was your statement…do you not stand by it?

        • clevs

          im a follower of islam. i will not hurt, attack, disrespect, kill anyone anything unless i have been disrespected, attacked or if someone murders a family member…. This was my statement. Your mixing things up to try to support your bullshit idea of Islam.. If its not obvious to you that kill and murder go hand in hand your a mentally ill child

          • Veracious_one

            I see you would kill someone who said something you don’t want to hear…that is a typical Muslim reaction…

          • clevs

            Whatever you say hot shot.. ;) good luck in the afterlife. You and your AA class members can have this thread..haha. You will always believe you are right.

  • Mein Camp

    Indeed. When I was tried at Nuremberg, I explained to my prosecutors that Nazism is really a Political Movement of Peace and that any…erhum…improprieties…*cough*….that may have happened are the responsibility of those who have hijacked a peaceful and noble ideology and that there is nothing in our visionary leader’s book, Mein Kampf, that encourages bigotry or violence. Honest.

    My defence was accepted, and I was then taken through the Vatican ratlines to join the core of the CIA with over 10,000 of my peaceful co-ideologues.