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	<title>Comments on: No, Self-Driving Cars Won&#8217;t Replace Public Transportation</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Rodriguez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jan 2014 14:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a professional transportation planner and economist, I disagree somewhat. Its about the cost equation, and value of time is part of cost. The user gets much more value of time being passive than actively driving. Therefore, an hour sitting being driven around is not as bad as an hour actively driving. This is why people pay for chauffeurs, and many drivers will switch to a self-driving car system at scale in larger urban areas.

Now about transit: if self-driving cars can deliver mobility at a lower cost per passenger-mile than bus transit, then buses are unlikely to survive in areas outside of core urban routes. Transit is safe in major urban centers. When you get into suburban and rural areas, it makes much more sense to have a fleet of demand-responsive self-driving vehicles than to pay the extremely high cost-per-hour and cost-per-mile that is a bus. 

Third, what if the buses are self-driving? That&#039;s a labor issue (because rail systems can already &quot;self-drive&quot; but they don&#039;t due to &quot;safety&quot; concerns brought on by transit labor).  You could cheaply operate a bus fleet and take a large cost component out (the labor). This could save agencies significant amounts of money, especially in urban areas, and possibly improve service. 

Finally, paratransit for many users may be replaced. Those paratransit users who need physical assistance will still have to have a person helping them, but it would be much cheaper to shuttle the elderly around on self-driving vehicles than these existing systems. And even if there&#039;s a person needed to help the user get in and out of the vehicle, you could likely have a lower-cost person who doesn&#039;t have to have a professional license do the task of just riding along.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a professional transportation planner and economist, I disagree somewhat. Its about the cost equation, and value of time is part of cost. The user gets much more value of time being passive than actively driving. Therefore, an hour sitting being driven around is not as bad as an hour actively driving. This is why people pay for chauffeurs, and many drivers will switch to a self-driving car system at scale in larger urban areas.</p>
<p>Now about transit: if self-driving cars can deliver mobility at a lower cost per passenger-mile than bus transit, then buses are unlikely to survive in areas outside of core urban routes. Transit is safe in major urban centers. When you get into suburban and rural areas, it makes much more sense to have a fleet of demand-responsive self-driving vehicles than to pay the extremely high cost-per-hour and cost-per-mile that is a bus. </p>
<p>Third, what if the buses are self-driving? That&#8217;s a labor issue (because rail systems can already &#8220;self-drive&#8221; but they don&#8217;t due to &#8220;safety&#8221; concerns brought on by transit labor).  You could cheaply operate a bus fleet and take a large cost component out (the labor). This could save agencies significant amounts of money, especially in urban areas, and possibly improve service. </p>
<p>Finally, paratransit for many users may be replaced. Those paratransit users who need physical assistance will still have to have a person helping them, but it would be much cheaper to shuttle the elderly around on self-driving vehicles than these existing systems. And even if there&#8217;s a person needed to help the user get in and out of the vehicle, you could likely have a lower-cost person who doesn&#8217;t have to have a professional license do the task of just riding along.</p>
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		<title>By: ZZ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ZZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point about 911 restrictions, but you lost me on law abiding computers. Maybe I can get a law abiding computer to wipe my tushy after a hard day&#039;s work and my flying car commute.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point about 911 restrictions, but you lost me on law abiding computers. Maybe I can get a law abiding computer to wipe my tushy after a hard day&#8217;s work and my flying car commute.</p>
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		<title>By: ZZ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ZZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah. Where would we be as a society without road trips? Fawn Leibowitz would want us to keep our cars.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. Where would we be as a society without road trips? Fawn Leibowitz would want us to keep our cars.</p>
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		<title>By: carltjohnson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[carltjohnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jan 2014 01:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Transporters? only if I am in a hurry, Flying cars? YEAH!...so long as it makes great sounds. Self driving cars? No thanks...not interested, borrrrrring!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Transporters? only if I am in a hurry, Flying cars? YEAH!&#8230;so long as it makes great sounds. Self driving cars? No thanks&#8230;not interested, borrrrrring!</p>
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		<title>By: O[b]ama</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[O[b]ama]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2014 22:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[9/11 is the telephone number for police assistance.
We can limit police power to 911 response.
We can render police powerless to make an arrest without a 9-11 telephone complaint.
First, we need cars driven by law-abiding computers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9/11 is the telephone number for police assistance.<br />
We can limit police power to 911 response.<br />
We can render police powerless to make an arrest without a 9-11 telephone complaint.<br />
First, we need cars driven by law-abiding computers.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Greenfield</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Greenfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2014 22:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There would probably be more canings under PBS rule]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There would probably be more canings under PBS rule</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Greenfield</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Greenfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2014 22:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And car country doesn&#039;t need self-driving cars.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And car country doesn&#8217;t need self-driving cars.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Greenfield</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Greenfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2014 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suspect it would be the other way around. This would allow the government to control everyone&#039;s car at any time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect it would be the other way around. This would allow the government to control everyone&#8217;s car at any time.</p>
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		<title>By: ZZ</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/no-self-driving-cars-wont-replace-public-transportation/comment-page-1/#comment-5356217</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ZZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2014 21:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The pigs would pick up the slack by terrorizing the public with foot patrols.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pigs would pick up the slack by terrorizing the public with foot patrols.</p>
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		<title>By: ZZ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ZZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2014 21:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Singapore isn&#039;t a country, it&#039;s a country club - complete with migrant laborers to do all the real work and a complacent elite class of ethnic Chinese overlords. You couldn&#039;t make a more boring and sterile country if you had PBS plan it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Singapore isn&#8217;t a country, it&#8217;s a country club &#8211; complete with migrant laborers to do all the real work and a complacent elite class of ethnic Chinese overlords. You couldn&#8217;t make a more boring and sterile country if you had PBS plan it.</p>
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		<title>By: ZZ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ZZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2014 21:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Public transportation is a joke. America is a car country. America is not NYC. Thank God.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public transportation is a joke. America is a car country. America is not NYC. Thank God.</p>
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		<title>By: O[b]ama</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[O[b]ama]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2014 21:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nothing is more conservative than limiting the power of
government.
Police patrolmen are a form of government.
Computer-driven cars will be programmed to obey all traffic
laws.
Thus, self-driving cars will make police patrols less
necessary.
The proliferation of driverless cars will facilitate
limitations on police power.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing is more conservative than limiting the power of<br />
government.<br />
Police patrolmen are a form of government.<br />
Computer-driven cars will be programmed to obey all traffic<br />
laws.<br />
Thus, self-driving cars will make police patrols less<br />
necessary.<br />
The proliferation of driverless cars will facilitate<br />
limitations on police power.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/no-self-driving-cars-wont-replace-public-transportation/comment-page-1/#comment-5356073</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Greenfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2014 18:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sabotaging the traffic reporting system alone would cause a huge mess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sabotaging the traffic reporting system alone would cause a huge mess.</p>
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		<title>By: glpage</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/no-self-driving-cars-wont-replace-public-transportation/comment-page-1/#comment-5356064</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[glpage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2014 17:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Considering that the control systems of some current cars can be hacked, the possibility of someone hacking into a group of self-driving cars and hijacking them for some ends, maybe just mayhem, maybe to shut down the highway system, would exist and would be a major safety and security concern.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering that the control systems of some current cars can be hacked, the possibility of someone hacking into a group of self-driving cars and hijacking them for some ends, maybe just mayhem, maybe to shut down the highway system, would exist and would be a major safety and security concern.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/no-self-driving-cars-wont-replace-public-transportation/comment-page-1/#comment-5356014</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Greenfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2014 16:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is that.

It will also mean a loss of autonomy. Our planners keep salivating over Singapore for a reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is that.</p>
<p>It will also mean a loss of autonomy. Our planners keep salivating over Singapore for a reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/no-self-driving-cars-wont-replace-public-transportation/comment-page-1/#comment-5356015</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Greenfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2014 16:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure they will improve life, I just don&#039;t think it&#039;s about to replace public transportation especially in densely populated areas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure they will improve life, I just don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s about to replace public transportation especially in densely populated areas.</p>
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		<title>By: alericKong</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alericKong]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2014 16:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Accidents may go down, but security concerns will go up. It will take a long time to pay back the financial investment and infrastructure. Streets will be safer if we end subsidies for illegal immigration and broken families. Drunk drivers and wasted capital is saved, and we have to build nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Accidents may go down, but security concerns will go up. It will take a long time to pay back the financial investment and infrastructure. Streets will be safer if we end subsidies for illegal immigration and broken families. Drunk drivers and wasted capital is saved, and we have to build nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2014 14:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People in fly over country who have long commutes of over 20 minutes one way will use their self driving car as a mobile office.  I can see self driving cars  improving life.


I have also seen bus companies run routes to the state capital from  communities more than 60 miles away when they identified enough state employees who were willing to pay.  It worked out great. the bus riders got to live in a smaller community that wasn&#039;t so big that it could easily be mismanaged. they saved on commuting costs, read a novel or visit along the way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People in fly over country who have long commutes of over 20 minutes one way will use their self driving car as a mobile office.  I can see self driving cars  improving life.</p>
<p>I have also seen bus companies run routes to the state capital from  communities more than 60 miles away when they identified enough state employees who were willing to pay.  It worked out great. the bus riders got to live in a smaller community that wasn&#8217;t so big that it could easily be mismanaged. they saved on commuting costs, read a novel or visit along the way.</p>
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