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		<title>By: Aaron Agassi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron Agassi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2014 02:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You don&#039;t need to be a kook to criticize Israeli policy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t need to be a kook to criticize Israeli policy.</p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hiernonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Feb 2014 10:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, didn&#039;t see this earlier.  Thanks.

On the matter of the casualty ratio, Dupuy was just looking at records of battalion-on-battalion battles.  He didn&#039;t try to account for all casulaties, or, for example, the huge numbers of troops rolled up in the early &lt;i&gt;kesselschlachts&lt;/i&gt; or, later, in the collapse of German pockets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, didn&#8217;t see this earlier.  Thanks.</p>
<p>On the matter of the casualty ratio, Dupuy was just looking at records of battalion-on-battalion battles.  He didn&#8217;t try to account for all casulaties, or, for example, the huge numbers of troops rolled up in the early <i>kesselschlachts</i> or, later, in the collapse of German pockets.</p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hiernonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Feb 2014 10:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;You describe structural problems that no longer exist and haven&#039;t for decades.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Really?  It&#039;s true that the overt legal aspect of the problem has been overturned.  On the other hand, de facto segregation still prevails in much of our country.  There may not actually be &quot;black&quot; and &quot;white&quot; schools, in the formal sense, but most big cities I&#039;m familiar with are effectively segregated.  That&#039;s an observation, not an indictment.  I don&#039;t suggest that they are de facto segregated as the result of some sort of clandestine effort by whites to keep minorities down, or any such.  It happens largely as the result of socioeconomic status, and while many black Americans have been quite successful, there has never yet been a time when blacks are not disproportionately poor.  

&quot;Black students today are performing worse than ever, despite immense amounts of money being spent per student. &quot;

I&#039;m not sure what you consider &quot;immense&quot; to be - I&#039;ve never thought that educational spending in the U.S. has ever been &quot;immense.&quot;  But your underlying point is perfectly sound:  increased spending has been associated with decreased performance. I don&#039;t think we should conclude that higher spending &lt;i&gt;causes&lt;/i&gt; lower performance; it just shows that spending on the wrong things doesn&#039;t help.

&quot;The only way your deluded argument makes any sense is if you can prove 
that blacks are singularly incapable of adapting, or have some kind of 
DNA damage from the past that is inherited.&quot;

There&#039;s a third possibility:  that the effects of the institutional and structural oppression blacks suffered are generational; that it takes more than a generation or three to overcome them, and that overcoming them requires more than simply ending the active oppression, but in figuring out how to reverse course, as it were.  Oddly enough, I&#039;ve actually made this argument to you, which makes me wonder why it didn&#039;t occur to you to include it as a possibility.

&quot;Myself and others have pointed out that many ethnic groups have overcome serious adversity in as little as a generation.&quot;

And you haven&#039;t yet cited a group that overcame a &lt;i&gt;comparable&lt;/i&gt; adversity in a generation.  I believe, for example, that I specifically noted the ongoing impact of exclusion from education; while the groups you cited suffered greatly, none that you brought up included, for example, generations of outright denial of education to effectively all members of the group, followed by generations of relegation to third-rate, under-resourced primary and secondary education.  You&#039;re trying to use generalities in an unsupportable way.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;The truth remains that your argument proceeds from a hidden premise that
 blacks are inferior and therefore need white liberals to &quot;help&quot; them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And that &quot;truth&quot; stems from your continues willful misinterpretation of my position.  I will repeat the analogy I offered you earlier, which you apparently missed in your rush to prepare your response:  if you throw one man into a four foot deep hole, and another into a fifteen foot deep hole, there&#039;s no &quot;hidden premise of inferiority&quot; in suggesting that the fellow in the deeper hole is going to need some help getting out of it.  

&quot;I&#039;d say you people...&quot;

&lt;i&gt;You people?&lt;/i&gt;  Seriously?

Save yourself some embarrassment.  As long as you&#039;re talking to me, stick with points I&#039;ve made, and don&#039;t try to associate me or my arguments with others you have disagreements with.  

I&#039;d fully agree that much of what you&#039;re thinking of as the &#039;liberal agenda&#039; hasn&#039;t been effective.  Some of it has been outright counterproductive.  Much as you&#039;ve had difficulty understanding that I don&#039;t support reparations and atonement, I also am not a fan of welfare, in the sense of simply paying people to be alive.  I&#039;ve never seen it lead to anything good, however well-intentioned.  Some argue that it breeds dependency, and I agree with that.  I&#039;ve seen similar phenomena in some of the Persian Gulf rentier states that share their oil revenues with the citizenry.  Originally intended as a way of forestalling unrest, it actually breeds resentment and discontent among the large un- or under-employed youth.  People need shelter and food, but they also need a purpose, and no solution that doesn&#039;t address that will help us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You describe structural problems that no longer exist and haven&#8217;t for decades.</p></blockquote>
<p>Really?  It&#8217;s true that the overt legal aspect of the problem has been overturned.  On the other hand, de facto segregation still prevails in much of our country.  There may not actually be &#8220;black&#8221; and &#8220;white&#8221; schools, in the formal sense, but most big cities I&#8217;m familiar with are effectively segregated.  That&#8217;s an observation, not an indictment.  I don&#8217;t suggest that they are de facto segregated as the result of some sort of clandestine effort by whites to keep minorities down, or any such.  It happens largely as the result of socioeconomic status, and while many black Americans have been quite successful, there has never yet been a time when blacks are not disproportionately poor.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Black students today are performing worse than ever, despite immense amounts of money being spent per student. &#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you consider &#8220;immense&#8221; to be &#8211; I&#8217;ve never thought that educational spending in the U.S. has ever been &#8220;immense.&#8221;  But your underlying point is perfectly sound:  increased spending has been associated with decreased performance. I don&#8217;t think we should conclude that higher spending <i>causes</i> lower performance; it just shows that spending on the wrong things doesn&#8217;t help.</p>
<p>&#8220;The only way your deluded argument makes any sense is if you can prove<br />
that blacks are singularly incapable of adapting, or have some kind of<br />
DNA damage from the past that is inherited.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a third possibility:  that the effects of the institutional and structural oppression blacks suffered are generational; that it takes more than a generation or three to overcome them, and that overcoming them requires more than simply ending the active oppression, but in figuring out how to reverse course, as it were.  Oddly enough, I&#8217;ve actually made this argument to you, which makes me wonder why it didn&#8217;t occur to you to include it as a possibility.</p>
<p>&#8220;Myself and others have pointed out that many ethnic groups have overcome serious adversity in as little as a generation.&#8221;</p>
<p>And you haven&#8217;t yet cited a group that overcame a <i>comparable</i> adversity in a generation.  I believe, for example, that I specifically noted the ongoing impact of exclusion from education; while the groups you cited suffered greatly, none that you brought up included, for example, generations of outright denial of education to effectively all members of the group, followed by generations of relegation to third-rate, under-resourced primary and secondary education.  You&#8217;re trying to use generalities in an unsupportable way.  </p>
<blockquote><p>The truth remains that your argument proceeds from a hidden premise that<br />
 blacks are inferior and therefore need white liberals to &#8220;help&#8221; them.</p></blockquote>
<p>And that &#8220;truth&#8221; stems from your continues willful misinterpretation of my position.  I will repeat the analogy I offered you earlier, which you apparently missed in your rush to prepare your response:  if you throw one man into a four foot deep hole, and another into a fifteen foot deep hole, there&#8217;s no &#8220;hidden premise of inferiority&#8221; in suggesting that the fellow in the deeper hole is going to need some help getting out of it.  </p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;d say you people&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p><i>You people?</i>  Seriously?</p>
<p>Save yourself some embarrassment.  As long as you&#8217;re talking to me, stick with points I&#8217;ve made, and don&#8217;t try to associate me or my arguments with others you have disagreements with.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d fully agree that much of what you&#8217;re thinking of as the &#8216;liberal agenda&#8217; hasn&#8217;t been effective.  Some of it has been outright counterproductive.  Much as you&#8217;ve had difficulty understanding that I don&#8217;t support reparations and atonement, I also am not a fan of welfare, in the sense of simply paying people to be alive.  I&#8217;ve never seen it lead to anything good, however well-intentioned.  Some argue that it breeds dependency, and I agree with that.  I&#8217;ve seen similar phenomena in some of the Persian Gulf rentier states that share their oil revenues with the citizenry.  Originally intended as a way of forestalling unrest, it actually breeds resentment and discontent among the large un- or under-employed youth.  People need shelter and food, but they also need a purpose, and no solution that doesn&#8217;t address that will help us.</p>
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		<title>By: truebearing</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[truebearing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Feb 2014 07:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Utter nonsense. You describe structural problems that no longer exist and haven&#039;t for decades. Black students today are performing worse than ever, despite immense amounts of money being spent per student. The only way your deluded argument makes any sense is if you can prove that blacks are singularly incapable of adapting, or have some kind of DNA damage from the past that is inherited. Of course, you can&#039;t argue that or you&#039;d be arguing that blacks are inferior. Myself and others have pointed out that many ethnic groups have overcome serious adversity in as little as a generation.


The truth remains that your argument proceeds from a hidden premise that blacks are inferior and therefore need white liberals to &quot;help&quot; them. Looking at the record of the liberal educational agenda and then at black academic performance, I&#039;d say you people are the worst enemies of blacks who want an education.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Utter nonsense. You describe structural problems that no longer exist and haven&#8217;t for decades. Black students today are performing worse than ever, despite immense amounts of money being spent per student. The only way your deluded argument makes any sense is if you can prove that blacks are singularly incapable of adapting, or have some kind of DNA damage from the past that is inherited. Of course, you can&#8217;t argue that or you&#8217;d be arguing that blacks are inferior. Myself and others have pointed out that many ethnic groups have overcome serious adversity in as little as a generation.</p>
<p>The truth remains that your argument proceeds from a hidden premise that blacks are inferior and therefore need white liberals to &#8220;help&#8221; them. Looking at the record of the liberal educational agenda and then at black academic performance, I&#8217;d say you people are the worst enemies of blacks who want an education.</p>
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		<title>By: jzsnake</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jzsnake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The sad truth is that both Palestinians and Blacks have never taken any responsibility for the current situation they are in. So they can relate to each other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad truth is that both Palestinians and Blacks have never taken any responsibility for the current situation they are in. So they can relate to each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Lanna</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lanna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The plotting, anti-semetism and hatred of Israel has been fortold...The Bible is 100% true! 
Psalm 83   O God, do not keep silent, be not quiet, O God, be not still.  See how your enemies are astir, how your foes rear their heads.  With cunning they conspire against your people; they plot against those you cherish.  &quot;Come they say, &quot;Let us destroy them as a nation, that the name of Israel be remembered no more.&quot;  With one mind they plot together; they form an alliance against you...the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites, of Moab and the Hagrites, Gebel, Ammon and Amalek, Philistia, with the people of Tyre.  Even Assyria has joined them to lend strength to the descendants of Lot.  Do to them as you did to Midian, as you did to Siser and Jabin at the River Kishon, who perished at Endor and became like refuse on the ground.. Make their nobles like Oreb an Zeeb, all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna, who said, &quot;Let us take possession of the pasturelands of God.&quot;  These names are translated into modern day enemies!
~Zechariah 12: 2-9~  &quot;Behold I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem.  And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it.
Get ready enemies of Israel...there will be wars and rumors of wars, but you are going to end up in the pit of fire and brimstone!!!!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The plotting, anti-semetism and hatred of Israel has been fortold&#8230;The Bible is 100% true!<br />
Psalm 83   O God, do not keep silent, be not quiet, O God, be not still.  See how your enemies are astir, how your foes rear their heads.  With cunning they conspire against your people; they plot against those you cherish.  &#8220;Come they say, &#8220;Let us destroy them as a nation, that the name of Israel be remembered no more.&#8221;  With one mind they plot together; they form an alliance against you&#8230;the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites, of Moab and the Hagrites, Gebel, Ammon and Amalek, Philistia, with the people of Tyre.  Even Assyria has joined them to lend strength to the descendants of Lot.  Do to them as you did to Midian, as you did to Siser and Jabin at the River Kishon, who perished at Endor and became like refuse on the ground.. Make their nobles like Oreb an Zeeb, all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna, who said, &#8220;Let us take possession of the pasturelands of God.&#8221;  These names are translated into modern day enemies!<br />
~Zechariah 12: 2-9~  &#8220;Behold I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem.  And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it.<br />
Get ready enemies of Israel&#8230;there will be wars and rumors of wars, but you are going to end up in the pit of fire and brimstone!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hiernonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 23:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Explain, in detail, how that structure was designed to prevent parity. &quot;

Well, let&#039;s see.  There&#039;s denial of access to the white public schools.  Plessy v Ferguson formalized denial of black access to the same government services as whites, such as education and transportation.  In many Northern states, education was segregated de facto where it wasn&#039;t segregated de jure.  Indiana had segregated schools; several others (e.g. New Jersey, Ohio, Illinois, and Pennsylvania) had state laws against segregation, but schools were formally segregated at the town level.   These schools received far less funding than did white schools; they were generally staffed by black faculty, who themselves had been denied access to the first rate colleges and universities, creating a self-perpetuating cycle of exclusion and inadequacy.

By the turn of the century, many states had implemented literacy tests and poll taxes designed to keep black voters away from the polls, which in turn had a cascading effect on their ability to influence law and policy.  (Many of those states had &#039;grandfather&#039; clauses in these laws that exempted one from the tests if they or a relative had voted &quot;before 1866,&quot; thus preventing the laws from disenfranchising poor or illiterate whites).    The Federal Civil Service was formally segregated in 1913. 

The military was segregated.  Blacks were put in separate units that generally received inferior equipment, inferior training, and in which most of the senior officers were white.  (Interestingly, although Truman was prejudiced himself, he also recognized that the treatment black soldiers were getting on their return from WWII was an injustice, and eventually led him to pressure the military into formal desegregation.)  

Apart from the obvious effects, there are pernicious side effects of 
segregation regimes.  Being denied access to the same clubs, parks, 
transportation, restaurants, and toilets ensured that blacks could not 
socialize with the influential elements of their communities.  There was
 no &#039;networking,&#039; no access to business opportunities, no access to 
informal networks of information.  

&quot;You are making an argument that inescapably requires blacks and native 
Americans to be inferior, makes white people to blame, and establishes 
leftists as the ones with the answer. If even one of those elements is 
missing, your entire argument falls apart. Well it has fallen apart but 
you apparently can&#039;t figure that out.&quot;

TB, what in the world are you ranting about now?  What do you imagine my &quot;argument&quot; to be, such that it falls apart when any of these elements is missing?  

To argue that a social structure puts a particular group at a disadvantage in no way implies that the members of that group are &quot;inferior.&quot;  Your logic appears to be based on the idea that such a position implies that blacks, for example, are less capable than whites of taking care of themselves.  But that&#039;s not remotely implied.  First, implicit in the construction is that blacks, having been denied access to tools routinely available to whites, and having to overcome obstacles not faced by whites, are not faced with the same problem set.  Put another way, if I toss X into a four foot deep hole, and I toss Y into a fifteen foot deep hole, there&#039;s no implicit assumption that Y is &quot;inferior&quot; if one suggests that Y is going to need some help getting out of his hole.  

&quot;Makes white people to blame.&quot;  I&#039;m not sure what you even mean by this.  I suppose it&#039;s correct, to the extent that the chattel slavery system in the United States was a system designed and operated by and for the benefit of white men, and enslaved black men, notwithstanding the exceptional participation of a few black men as slaveowners.  That said, your statement appears to imply that I&#039;m blaming &lt;i&gt;today&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; white people for slavery.  That&#039;s not the case, nor is it clear how whatever you appear to believe my &#039;argument&#039; to be would collapse if that element were removed.  I argue that all citizens of the U.S. are responsible for correcting the problem, and that includes white people, but nothing I&#039;ve said suggests that &lt;i&gt;blaming&lt;/i&gt; white people is necessary or relevant.

&quot;And establishes leftists as the ones with the answers.&quot;

That would be some trick, since I haven&#039;t yet proposed an answer.  I suppose that if you are such an extremist that you see &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; action that has governmental involvement to be &quot;leftist,&quot; then I suppose that there&#039;s no escaping that label, but it becomes pretty meaningless.  

When you talked about &quot;reparations&quot; and &quot;atonement,&quot; you clearly &lt;i&gt;were&lt;/i&gt; mischaracterizing my comments.  Nothing I&#039;ve said suggests that we should be paying anybody anything as reparations.  Heck, I haven&#039;t even suggested that the appropriate path forward involves welfare or any of the other ongoing dependency-breeding solutions that you&#039;re already so vigorously attacking.

As I&#039;ve mentioned before, I haven&#039;t offered a solution - and don&#039;t think I owe you a proposal, just yet - but I suspect that a massive overhaul of the education system would be a key element.  A proposal would be premature because it has to address the problem, and we haven&#039;t reached consensus on the problem just yet.

&quot;Your foolish prescription...&quot;

 Again, you seem to be well ahead of me.  What &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; my prescription?

&quot;You minimize the suffering and persecution of the Jews because it destroys your brittle argument.&quot;

 
Really?  I don&#039;t recall minimizing anyone&#039;s suffering.  What I did argue is that we&#039;re not playing a game of comparative suffering - who is the biggest victim - but we&#039;re trying to address a problem.  The sorts of persecutions that the Jews have suffered have been of a different nature, and lead to different problems.  If this were a thread about, say, the relative rights of Palestinians and Jews to Israel, I would not raise the experience of black Americans in chattel slavery - it simply wouldn&#039;t be relevant or appropriate.  

&quot;Another hidden premise of your theory is that damage was done on a 
mitochondrial level and it can&#039;t be exorcised by any other method than 
endless reparations and wearing of hair shirts. Nonsense.&quot;

Well, yes, a point of agreement  - nonsense!  Of course, it&#039;s even greater nonsense that you think I&#039;ve advanced any such argument. 

&quot;You&#039;re condescending to everyone.&quot;


Perhaps.  But you&#039;ve let it derange you, and you&#039;ve long since stopped responding to arguments I&#039;ve actually made.  



I&#039;ve extended you the great courtesy of responding to your rant anyway.  Please avail yourself of the opportunity to read what I&#039;ve written and take a moment or two to digest it &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/i&gt; you start composing your next diatribe on the nanny state, dependency, and implied racism.  



Best wishes on a speedy recovery.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Explain, in detail, how that structure was designed to prevent parity. &#8221;</p>
<p>Well, let&#8217;s see.  There&#8217;s denial of access to the white public schools.  Plessy v Ferguson formalized denial of black access to the same government services as whites, such as education and transportation.  In many Northern states, education was segregated de facto where it wasn&#8217;t segregated de jure.  Indiana had segregated schools; several others (e.g. New Jersey, Ohio, Illinois, and Pennsylvania) had state laws against segregation, but schools were formally segregated at the town level.   These schools received far less funding than did white schools; they were generally staffed by black faculty, who themselves had been denied access to the first rate colleges and universities, creating a self-perpetuating cycle of exclusion and inadequacy.</p>
<p>By the turn of the century, many states had implemented literacy tests and poll taxes designed to keep black voters away from the polls, which in turn had a cascading effect on their ability to influence law and policy.  (Many of those states had &#8216;grandfather&#8217; clauses in these laws that exempted one from the tests if they or a relative had voted &#8220;before 1866,&#8221; thus preventing the laws from disenfranchising poor or illiterate whites).    The Federal Civil Service was formally segregated in 1913. </p>
<p>The military was segregated.  Blacks were put in separate units that generally received inferior equipment, inferior training, and in which most of the senior officers were white.  (Interestingly, although Truman was prejudiced himself, he also recognized that the treatment black soldiers were getting on their return from WWII was an injustice, and eventually led him to pressure the military into formal desegregation.)  </p>
<p>Apart from the obvious effects, there are pernicious side effects of<br />
segregation regimes.  Being denied access to the same clubs, parks,<br />
transportation, restaurants, and toilets ensured that blacks could not<br />
socialize with the influential elements of their communities.  There was<br />
 no &#8216;networking,&#8217; no access to business opportunities, no access to<br />
informal networks of information.  </p>
<p>&#8220;You are making an argument that inescapably requires blacks and native<br />
Americans to be inferior, makes white people to blame, and establishes<br />
leftists as the ones with the answer. If even one of those elements is<br />
missing, your entire argument falls apart. Well it has fallen apart but<br />
you apparently can&#8217;t figure that out.&#8221;</p>
<p>TB, what in the world are you ranting about now?  What do you imagine my &#8220;argument&#8221; to be, such that it falls apart when any of these elements is missing?  </p>
<p>To argue that a social structure puts a particular group at a disadvantage in no way implies that the members of that group are &#8220;inferior.&#8221;  Your logic appears to be based on the idea that such a position implies that blacks, for example, are less capable than whites of taking care of themselves.  But that&#8217;s not remotely implied.  First, implicit in the construction is that blacks, having been denied access to tools routinely available to whites, and having to overcome obstacles not faced by whites, are not faced with the same problem set.  Put another way, if I toss X into a four foot deep hole, and I toss Y into a fifteen foot deep hole, there&#8217;s no implicit assumption that Y is &#8220;inferior&#8221; if one suggests that Y is going to need some help getting out of his hole.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Makes white people to blame.&#8221;  I&#8217;m not sure what you even mean by this.  I suppose it&#8217;s correct, to the extent that the chattel slavery system in the United States was a system designed and operated by and for the benefit of white men, and enslaved black men, notwithstanding the exceptional participation of a few black men as slaveowners.  That said, your statement appears to imply that I&#8217;m blaming <i>today&#8217;s</i> white people for slavery.  That&#8217;s not the case, nor is it clear how whatever you appear to believe my &#8216;argument&#8217; to be would collapse if that element were removed.  I argue that all citizens of the U.S. are responsible for correcting the problem, and that includes white people, but nothing I&#8217;ve said suggests that <i>blaming</i> white people is necessary or relevant.</p>
<p>&#8220;And establishes leftists as the ones with the answers.&#8221;</p>
<p>That would be some trick, since I haven&#8217;t yet proposed an answer.  I suppose that if you are such an extremist that you see <i>any</i> action that has governmental involvement to be &#8220;leftist,&#8221; then I suppose that there&#8217;s no escaping that label, but it becomes pretty meaningless.  </p>
<p>When you talked about &#8220;reparations&#8221; and &#8220;atonement,&#8221; you clearly <i>were</i> mischaracterizing my comments.  Nothing I&#8217;ve said suggests that we should be paying anybody anything as reparations.  Heck, I haven&#8217;t even suggested that the appropriate path forward involves welfare or any of the other ongoing dependency-breeding solutions that you&#8217;re already so vigorously attacking.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve mentioned before, I haven&#8217;t offered a solution &#8211; and don&#8217;t think I owe you a proposal, just yet &#8211; but I suspect that a massive overhaul of the education system would be a key element.  A proposal would be premature because it has to address the problem, and we haven&#8217;t reached consensus on the problem just yet.</p>
<p>&#8220;Your foolish prescription&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p> Again, you seem to be well ahead of me.  What <i>is</i> my prescription?</p>
<p>&#8220;You minimize the suffering and persecution of the Jews because it destroys your brittle argument.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really?  I don&#8217;t recall minimizing anyone&#8217;s suffering.  What I did argue is that we&#8217;re not playing a game of comparative suffering &#8211; who is the biggest victim &#8211; but we&#8217;re trying to address a problem.  The sorts of persecutions that the Jews have suffered have been of a different nature, and lead to different problems.  If this were a thread about, say, the relative rights of Palestinians and Jews to Israel, I would not raise the experience of black Americans in chattel slavery &#8211; it simply wouldn&#8217;t be relevant or appropriate.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Another hidden premise of your theory is that damage was done on a<br />
mitochondrial level and it can&#8217;t be exorcised by any other method than<br />
endless reparations and wearing of hair shirts. Nonsense.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, yes, a point of agreement  &#8211; nonsense!  Of course, it&#8217;s even greater nonsense that you think I&#8217;ve advanced any such argument. </p>
<p>&#8220;You&#8217;re condescending to everyone.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps.  But you&#8217;ve let it derange you, and you&#8217;ve long since stopped responding to arguments I&#8217;ve actually made.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve extended you the great courtesy of responding to your rant anyway.  Please avail yourself of the opportunity to read what I&#8217;ve written and take a moment or two to digest it <i>before</i> you start composing your next diatribe on the nanny state, dependency, and implied racism.  </p>
<p>Best wishes on a speedy recovery.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 21:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Explain, in detail, how that structure was designed to prevent parity. 


You&#039;re condescending to everyone. 


I haven&#039;t mischaracterized anything, and you didn&#039;t address anything in my previous comment with anything but boilerplate Marxist hogwash. You are making an argument that inescapably requires blacks and native Americans to be inferior, makes white people to blame, and establishes leftists as the ones with the answer. If even one of those elements is missing, your entire argument falls apart. Well it has fallen apart but you apparently can&#039;t figure that out.


You minimize the suffering and persecution of the Jews because it destroys your brittle argument. I am not arguing that the enslaving of blacks wasn&#039;t a devastating and evil thing, but I&#039;m not conceding that it is so much worse than anything any other ethnic or racial group ever endured that it requires a perpetual nanny state for the descendants -- not the victims -- of slavery. Another hidden premise of your theory is that damage was done on a mitochondrial level and it can&#039;t be exorcised by any other method than endless reparations and wearing of hair shirts. Nonsense.


Plenty of blacks have long since exorcised the demons of slavery by standing on their own two feet, thinking for themselves, dedicating themselves to an education, and taking responsibility for their own lives. Your foolish prescription only weakens the patient and convinces him he is too weak to function without your help. That, my friend, is a peculiarly pernicious form of compassion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Explain, in detail, how that structure was designed to prevent parity. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re condescending to everyone. </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t mischaracterized anything, and you didn&#8217;t address anything in my previous comment with anything but boilerplate Marxist hogwash. You are making an argument that inescapably requires blacks and native Americans to be inferior, makes white people to blame, and establishes leftists as the ones with the answer. If even one of those elements is missing, your entire argument falls apart. Well it has fallen apart but you apparently can&#8217;t figure that out.</p>
<p>You minimize the suffering and persecution of the Jews because it destroys your brittle argument. I am not arguing that the enslaving of blacks wasn&#8217;t a devastating and evil thing, but I&#8217;m not conceding that it is so much worse than anything any other ethnic or racial group ever endured that it requires a perpetual nanny state for the descendants &#8212; not the victims &#8212; of slavery. Another hidden premise of your theory is that damage was done on a mitochondrial level and it can&#8217;t be exorcised by any other method than endless reparations and wearing of hair shirts. Nonsense.</p>
<p>Plenty of blacks have long since exorcised the demons of slavery by standing on their own two feet, thinking for themselves, dedicating themselves to an education, and taking responsibility for their own lives. Your foolish prescription only weakens the patient and convinces him he is too weak to function without your help. That, my friend, is a peculiarly pernicious form of compassion.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish I could understand this better.  It might be a good idea to give more background, for those of us who are hearing for the first time that Alice Walker is a kook.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could understand this better.  It might be a good idea to give more background, for those of us who are hearing for the first time that Alice Walker is a kook.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Slavery ended in the US 150 year ago.

Slavery continues in Sudan, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia.

Regressive progressives who treat black people as permanently damaged, lesser humans, don&#039;t help black people succeed.

Gangsta culture, hip hop, rap &quot;culture&quot; destroys black people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slavery ended in the US 150 year ago.</p>
<p>Slavery continues in Sudan, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia.</p>
<p>Regressive progressives who treat black people as permanently damaged, lesser humans, don&#8217;t help black people succeed.</p>
<p>Gangsta culture, hip hop, rap &#8220;culture&#8221; destroys black people.</p>
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		<title>By: SCREW SOCIALISM</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[truebearing AKBAR!]]></description>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 06:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You seem rather fixated on the idea that framing the problem in a way that take into account slavery, Jim Crow, etc, involves an &lt;i&gt;excuse.&lt;/i&gt;  It seems to be a blame-centered approach in which you are more interested in whose &lt;i&gt;fault&lt;/i&gt; the problem is than in actually addressing the issue. 
 
I find the research into the generational effects of illiteracy and exclusion from education alone to be compelling reason to not dismiss the lingering effects of the whole formal separate-but-&quot;equal&quot; structure, to say nothing of the informal social issues.  

Just out of curiosity, what approach is suggested by your outlook?   Tougher laws and bigger prisons?  Kvetch about how it&#039;s all their own fault and avoid the bad parts of town?    It&#039;s interesting that one of the critiques I ran across tonight suggested that the U.S. was in danger of becoming more like Lain America, where conservatives stop trying to address social problems and retreat into fortified enclaves, to leave the poor to degenerate into greater violence and poverty.  Is that what &quot;it&#039;s their own fault&quot; implies?  If not, how do we avoid traveling down that path if we&#039;re not willing to puzzle out and fix the structural problems?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem rather fixated on the idea that framing the problem in a way that take into account slavery, Jim Crow, etc, involves an <i>excuse.</i>  It seems to be a blame-centered approach in which you are more interested in whose <i>fault</i> the problem is than in actually addressing the issue. </p>
<p>I find the research into the generational effects of illiteracy and exclusion from education alone to be compelling reason to not dismiss the lingering effects of the whole formal separate-but-&#8221;equal&#8221; structure, to say nothing of the informal social issues.  </p>
<p>Just out of curiosity, what approach is suggested by your outlook?   Tougher laws and bigger prisons?  Kvetch about how it&#8217;s all their own fault and avoid the bad parts of town?    It&#8217;s interesting that one of the critiques I ran across tonight suggested that the U.S. was in danger of becoming more like Lain America, where conservatives stop trying to address social problems and retreat into fortified enclaves, to leave the poor to degenerate into greater violence and poverty.  Is that what &#8220;it&#8217;s their own fault&#8221; implies?  If not, how do we avoid traveling down that path if we&#8217;re not willing to puzzle out and fix the structural problems?</p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 06:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Should I take your comment as an answer to the question I posed Alisia, or was it offered more in the spirit of a side observation?

If the former, practical real life outcomes of colonization suggest that it was pretty disastrous for most of the people involved.

If the latter - well, okay, I suppose so.  Tests are tools to try to help us understand the world, not a substitute for living in it.  I have my doubts about the validity of IQ testing.  &lt;i&gt;The Bell Curve&lt;/i&gt; wouldn&#039;t have been my first choice of books that might be useful in framing the topic, but there you are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should I take your comment as an answer to the question I posed Alisia, or was it offered more in the spirit of a side observation?</p>
<p>If the former, practical real life outcomes of colonization suggest that it was pretty disastrous for most of the people involved.</p>
<p>If the latter &#8211; well, okay, I suppose so.  Tests are tools to try to help us understand the world, not a substitute for living in it.  I have my doubts about the validity of IQ testing.  <i>The Bell Curve</i> wouldn&#8217;t have been my first choice of books that might be useful in framing the topic, but there you are.</p>
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		<title>By: watsa46</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 06:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fame has nothing to do with being right. Lots of people poorly educated or even &quot;educated&quot; believe that the former imply the latter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fame has nothing to do with being right. Lots of people poorly educated or even &#8220;educated&#8221; believe that the former imply the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Greenfield</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 04:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Practical real life outcomes matter far more than intelligence tests.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Practical real life outcomes matter far more than intelligence tests.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Greenfield</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 04:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or any days and that&#039;s the problem. Not Jim Crow or any other excuse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or any days and that&#8217;s the problem. Not Jim Crow or any other excuse.</p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 03:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They weren&#039;t all that much better in those days, either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They weren&#8217;t all that much better in those days, either.</p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 03:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The issue, of course, is not making &quot;excuses for failure,&quot; but accurately diagnosing and solving a problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue, of course, is not making &#8220;excuses for failure,&#8221; but accurately diagnosing and solving a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Greenfield</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 03:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There were plenty of groups that suffered just as badly in their home countries. 

But we can play the &quot;Who&#039;s the bigger victim&quot; game forever.

There are always excuses for failure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were plenty of groups that suffered just as badly in their home countries. </p>
<p>But we can play the &#8220;Who&#8217;s the bigger victim&#8221; game forever.</p>
<p>There are always excuses for failure.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 03:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim Crow was in effect in some places in the 60s. The places where Jim Crow wasn&#039;t in effect aren&#039;t all that much better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Crow was in effect in some places in the 60s. The places where Jim Crow wasn&#8217;t in effect aren&#8217;t all that much better.</p>
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