Rand Paul on Illegal Aliens: “40% Came with the Proper Documents and Somehow Lost their Documentation.”


Mark Krikorian at National Review wonders what Rand Paul is talking about with the whole “Dog ate my visa” thing.

Paul also repeated, contrary to all evidence, the fairy tale that “Maybe half, maybe 60 percent” of Hispanics are conservative.

His most ridiculous assertion, one that calls into question his seriousness on the issue, was this:

“Forty percent of those who are here of the 11 million who don’t have the proper documents. Forty percent of them came with the proper documents and then somehow lost their documentation.”

Lost? Really? You don’t have to be a policy wonk to know that 5 million illegal aliens didn’t just misplace their visas. I’m assuming Senator Paul is neither a fool nor a liar, which means he’s so blinkered by dogma that facts have to be hammered into ridiculous shapes to fit his preconceptions.

I’m not sure that I agree with Mark there. Paul appears to be cynically using a ‘fact drift’ which is a commonplace tool in this debate. He’s not saying that they have documents which would show that they have legal status, but that they had some documents and therefore they aren’t “undocumented.”

This means nothing, of course. But once PC language turned illegal aliens into undocumented aliens and then undocumented immigrants, all you have to do is find an old visa and say, “Aha, here’s a document. Therefore they can’t be undocumented.” Their documents just aren’t up to date.

It’s a childish trick, but political debate in the Obama era has reached childish levels and it becomes necessary, as Orwell said,  to constantly restate the obvious.

This is why the shift from illegal to undocumented is so important. Illegal is a moral state. Undocumented is a bureaucratic one. It’s easily fixed. Add a document.

Finally, what qualifies Rand Paul to give these lectures to Republicans about winning the Latino vote? Kentucky’s Latino population doubled between 2000 and 2010, but it’s still only something like 70k to 100k voters. They didn’t even show up on the senate race exit polls. Paul lost the black vote by a huge margin, there’s no information on what, if anything, happened with the Latino vote.

Rand Paul might want to spend more time focusing on poor white voters instead of pushing amnesty. The same is true for the rest of the GOP.

Rand Paul lost the under $30,000 vote. He tied for the $30,000 to $49,000 vote. He only broke out with the above $50,000 voters. That was the same thing that happened to Romney. And unlike Romney, race couldn’t be blamed for those results. Not when Bush decisively won those same voters in Kentucky in 2004.

The Republican Party can learn to talk to poor whites or it can learn to speak Spanish. And we all know what the GOP consultant class wants to do. It wants the same social setup as Mexico for the rest of the country. It has that in common with the Democratic Party.

  • Erudite Mavin

    A good reminder where Rand Paul stands on illegals.

    I find it interesting the tea party people shy away from taking
    on Rand Paul who receives more face time with his libertarian
    bull on path way to citizenship, weak on National Security, and
    look the other way when self admitted enemies of America and freedom in general attack innocent people and countries.

    This is where libertarians Rand Paul stands

    April 2014
    Rand Paul: GOP must get ‘beyond deportation’

    Sen. Rand Paul on Tuesday argued the Republican Party needs to get “beyond deportation” in order to break through to Hispanic voters.

    One way to open that “door” to the Hispanic community, he said, is to offer reassurances that “Mrs. Garcia’s nephew is not going to be sent home to Mexico.”
    The Rand Paul Evolution: Rand Paul calls for ‘path to citizenship’ for illegals

    By Rosalind S. Helderman, Published: March 19, 2013

    Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), a conservative tea party icon and possible 2016
    presidential contender, endorsed an overhaul of the nation’s immigration laws
    that would allow the nation’s estimated 11 million illegal immigrants to obtain
    legalized status.

    “Immigration will not occur until conservative
    Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution

  • Gee

    If that were the case then the US State Department would have a copy of their visas – getting a copy is a simple matter.
    Since those visas do not exist in the records I will state that less than 0.01% have lost the documentation. They can get those copies easily

    • gerry

      Don’t be too harsh on them, to get a copy must be a real intellectual challenge for them.

  • catfood

    Spread the word , Lets not let Paul stand in the way of electing somebody decent instead of letting him divide us like his father did, The guy is and always has been for amnesty.

    • danfan

      Defacto Amnesty: Rand Pauls turtleneck twerk to American Citizens

  • GSR

    Probably nonsense but even if true, ok, then lets begin deporting the other 60% and about the 40$ “over-stayers”, scrutinize them on a case by case basis and if ok, legalize them but NEVER allow them to become citizens. On second thought, deport them all. All 20-30 million.

  • Jackie Owens

    F*&K Rand Paul.

  • Horace Yo

    Rand Paul is going to be a big stumbling block to getting a winning candidate. Maybe as bad as Romney, who like McCain, threw the election by alienating the Republican base and the Regan Democrats.Many of his followers may pull the same sort of My Way or the Highway stuff as the obstinately blind Ron Paul followers usually do. He’s right about a few things but not right about some important things. He wanted to attack Assad, blaming him for poison gas attacks done by the Sunni Jihadis, and hand over Syria to Al Quaida – a sign of not knowing what’s going on in the world. Bad quality in a president – see Obama. He wants another 30 million newly legalized immigrants voting Democrat, then all his Libertarian freedom stuff gets stuffed into the Pinata and we get to go right to the Venezuela stage of political discourse – mob rule.

    • pete

      watch all the single-issue wake and bakes come out full force and tell actual conservatives not to screw things up making perfect the enemy of the cheetos, er, the good

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Face it, Rand Paul is a kook, just like his exceedingly self-hating half-wit Dad! The only people that will end up supporting him in the end are the mentally incompetent kook fringe, i.e., the outcast and dredges of society.

    • JackSpratt

      Exactly, the Pat Buchanans and Lew Rockwells.

    • No RNC

      Idiot NeoCons & their fascist interventions were actually the reason the Repubs cratered to the point that the voters preferred the abomination Obama. Put that in your pipe and choke on it!

      • ObamaYoMoma

        I’m not a Republican you self-hating moonbat! Muslims don’t attack infidels because of so-called American interventionist foreign policies, that’s insane! Indeed, the sole fundamental purpose of mainstream orthodox Islam is the subjugation of all religions and all infidels into Islamic totalitarianism through both violent and non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad (holy war) and the eventual imposition of Sharia, which is Islamic totalitarian law, to ultimately make Islam supreme throughout the world. Seek mental help for your mental disease kook!

        • JackSpratt

          Exactly, ObamaYoMoma. No RNC is a PaulBot anarchist big L Libertarian.

  • Dimart45

    A rational person would believe that their paperwork expired and they chose to stay illegally Rand.

  • onecornpone

    Time to wrangle Paul out of the weeds on entitlement programs for these poor, innocent “immigrants”.

    The key to discouraging them from wading the Rio Grande is to stop being so generous with unemployment compensation, SNAP, WIC rent and utility assistance et.c. Don’t bother telling me illegal aliens don’t qualify for those programs, we all know they are being given benefits by the Fed/State bureaucracies (seeded with bleeding heart leftist), no questions asked.

    • HiPlainsDrifter

      That is fookin brilliant kornqueen .!!…still sucking up to Daniel I see…
      We miss you at Navy’s site…not….

      • onecornpone

        Cyber-stalker extraordinaire, Warren Carnell, a.k.a. HiPlainsDrifter,HighPlainsDriftter, HiPlanesDrifter et.c., et.c. ad infinitum…..

        I see you gave up replying to me with your numerous, less recognized, nasty-mouthed IDs and showed up as one of the alter egos you try to keep ‘clean’, in order to confuse moderators who might check your past profile for bad behavior. That must be ‘some’ spreadsheet you maintain to keep the vulgar lap-dogs in your head separated from the less vile voices in there, although I am sure you thoroughly enjoy the option to ‘edit’ out filth, the disqus comment platform provides.

        This reply you made to me is off topic, laced with cowardly misspelled profanity (fookin really?) – most likely indicating you are on another marathon five-day weekend excursion into non-reality by any means necessary. Booze, dope, a combo, whatever!

        …still sucking up to Daniel …?

        No, Warren, I never needed to suck up to Daniel, but I sure embarrassed you with that observation about you, didn’t I? Still smarting, I see… If I didn’t nail you, you would have forgotten by now. ;)

        In fact, I have observed over three-plus years that your MO is to establish a personal, preferably back-channel relationship with moderators or writers at the staggering number of websites you regularly visit… No doubt an attempt to compensate for your lack of ability to offer an original thought of your own, you have cleverly created this comfy niche for yourself, as high and mighty arbiter and critic of the competency, value and individual right to be heard, of those of us who are able to cobble a few cogent thoughts together and articulate them on a decent level.

        Grumbling in the background as to the incompetence of our fellow man’s cognitive ability, morality and judgement is much simpler, than relating your own ideas (assuming you have any) and risking being completely ignored (like you were at the Bigs), thus the only way you found to garner the attention you crave is to set yourself up as some sort of lofty, quasi judge, too high and mighty to join in debate. “Brilliant” trick if you can pull it off.

        Naturally I admire Mr Greenfield and several other contributors to Frontpagemag, however after witnessing you and your wrecking crew of hate-mongers totally trash this place less than a year ago, I limit my participation in the comment sections out of respect for their right to be heard and their dedicated readership’s right to enjoy discourse without the type of nasty, provocative off topic distraction you exhibit perfectly in your above reply.

        After almost a year of no response from me, one would expect you would have found new interests on which to focus your campaign to disparage, demean, ostracize, demonize, demoralize and otherwise organize your cynical thugs against the few participants whom you have found you cannot control with your ample bag of tricks ranging from sleazy ‘charm’ to bully tactics. Therefore I can only conclude that you must be nostalgic for the thorough verbal beatings you and your clown posse orchestrated. A dedicated observer once opined to me that you had to be a masochist. I LMAO.

        Though I haven’t checked in, I hear that Brady’s little site has devolved into the echo chamber of head-bobbing agreement devoid of debate, it was mortally destined to become due his fear of controlling your distracting antics.

        Celebrate your victory without me, mad genius, By now I’m sure you have quite a resume of depopulating small websites, leaving the owners looking at empty comment boards, like the “Maytag Man”.

        Leaving the realm of co-dependent, unimaginative, fossilized whiners was the best thing I have done in a long while. I have come to believe that complacency is a communicable cyber-disease, thus have joined the multitudes who enjoy anonymity using a revolving stable of alternative alter egos. Catch me if you can…

        A while back I noticed many of the recliner-crew were checking my profile for info on the new Farm Bill. You better watch your back. They might be about ready to throw you overboard – but most likely will tune in to FNC and take a nap instead.

  • JackSpratt

    Rand Paul is a big L Libertarian like his moonbat father. He’s gotten by being sly about that, but one only has to look at his isolationist and dangerous views on foreign policy to see it. His views on foreign policy mimic Obongo and the democraps. I could never vote for the guy.

  • HiPlainsDrifter

    You really are an idiot…think anyone here reads your ridiculous Galt-like, insufferable rant?
    You really are delusional….
    Come back to Navy’s site, finish the job of driving the remaining good folks away… Only you can do it…
    But alas, we all know you’re not welcome there or anywhere else for that matter
    Best, Warren…

    What a cuntry!