Saudi Arabia: The Middle East’s Real Apartheid State

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century.


356-saudiThere is a country in the Middle East where 10 percent of the population is denied equal rights because of their race, where black men are not allowed to hold many government positions, where black women are put on trial for witchcraft and where the custody of children is granted to the parent with the most “racially superior” bloodline.

This Apartheid State is so enormously powerful that it controls American foreign policy in the Middle East even as its princes and princesses bring their slaves to the United Kingdom and the United States.

That country is Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia abolished slavery in 1962 under pressure from President Kennedy, who accomplished what the Ottoman Empire and the League of Nations had not been able to, but that hasn’t stopped its citizens from selling castrated slaves on Facebook or its princes from beating their black slaves to death in posh London hotels.

The Saudis had clung to their racist privileges longer than anyone else. When rumors reached Mecca that the Ottoman Empire might be considering the abolition of African slavery and equal rights for all, the chief of the Ulema of Mecca issued a fatwa declaring “the ban on slaves is contrary to Sharia (Islamic Law)… with such proposals the Turks have become infidels and it is lawful to make their children slaves.”

But Saudi Arabia’s oil wealth eventually made slavery economically unnecessary. Early on, African slaves worked for foreign oil companies which paid their masters, but they were a poor fit for the oil economy. The Kingdom no longer needed agricultural slaves and pearl drivers; it needed trained technicians from the West and international travel made it cheaper to import Asian workers for household labor and construction than to maintain its old trade in slaves.

The Saudis replaced the 450,000 slaves of the 1950s with 8.4 million guest workers. These workers are often treated like slaves, but they are not property and are therefore even more disposable than the slaves were. Exact numbers are hard to come by, but Nepal alone reported 265 worker deaths in Saudi Arabia in a single year.

Human Rights Watch has described conditions for foreign workers in Saudi Arabia as resembling slavery.

Meanwhile the three million Afro-Saudis are denied equal rights, prevented from serving as judges, security officials, diplomats, mayors and many other official positions. Afro-Saudi women are not allowed to appear on camera.

“There is not one single black school principal in Saudi Arabia,” the Institute for Gulf Affairs, a Saudi human rights group, reported.

Kafa’ah, equality in marriage, is used to establish that both sides are free from the “taint” of slave blood. The blood of Takruni, West African slaves, or Mawalid, slaves who gained their freedom by converting to Islam, is kept out of the Saudi master race through genealogical records that can be presented at need.

Challenges to the Kafa’ah of a marriage occur when tribal members uncover African descent in the husband or the wife after the marriage has already occurred. The racially inferior party is ordered to present “proof of equality” in the form of family trees and witnesses. If the couple is judged unequal, the Saudi Gazette reported, “Children’s custody is usually given to the ‘racially superior’ parent.”

These Saudi efforts at preventing their former slaves from intermarrying with them have only accelerated their incestuous inbreeding. In parts of Saudi Arabia, the percentage of marriages among blood relatives can go as high as 70%.

Saudi Arabia has the second highest rate of birth defects in the world, but a Saudi Sheikh blamed this phenomenon on female drivers, even though women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia.

Equality has always been a foreign concept to the Saudis whose tribal castes determine the right to rule. In Saudi Arabia everyone has their place, from the Afro-Saudi, to the non-Muslim guest worker to the Saudi woman.

On the road to Mecca, a sign points one way for “Muslims” and another for “Non-Muslims.” Only Muslims are allowed into the holy cities of Islam. A Christian truck driver from Sri Lanka who wandered into Mecca was arrested and dispatched for trial to a Sharia court of Islamic law.

Likewise, women are barred from many jobs, kept from driving and even electronically tracked to prevent them from leaving the country. Guest workers in Saudi Arabia are treated as slaves, their identity papers held by their employers, preventing them from leaving without permission.

The guest workers however, if they survive the witchcraft accusations and sexual assaults, will escape back to Ethiopia, Sri Lanka or the Philippines with a fraction of the money that they were supposed to earn. The Afro-Saudis however have nowhere to return to. Saudi Arabia is the only home they know.

The Arab slave trade was longer, crueler and far more enduring than anything Europeans and Americans are familiar with and left behind large numbers of Afro-Arabs across the Middle East and Afro-Turks in Turkey. While African-Americans are prominently represented in American life, Afro-Arabs and Afro-Turks suffer from an inferior status which keeps them away from political power and out of public view.

American soldiers in Basra were surprised to discover large numbers of Afro-Iraqis. The hundreds of thousands of Afro-Iraqis are a legacy of the Zanj slave rebellion when 500,000 African slaves rose against their Arab masters. The Afro-Iraqis are free, but relentlessly discriminated against. In Gaza, 10,000 Afro-Arabs face daily discrimination. But it is the Afro-Saudis who are the Middle East’s best kept secret.

Nawal Al-Hawsawi was dubbed the Rosa Parks of Saudi Arabia when she took three women to court who insultingly called her “Abd” or slave. Nawal dropped the court case after she received an apology, but the taunt of “slave” is one that Afro-Saudis have to live with daily in Saudi Arabia.

“The monarchy’s religious tradition still views blacks as slaves,” Ali Al-Ahmed, the Director of the Institute for Gulf Affairs, wrote in Foreign Policy Magazine.

The Institute blames Deputy Saudi Foreign Minister Abdul Aziz Bin Abdullah, the son of the Saudi king, for being the architect of the Saudi apartheid state, but Saudi apartheid predates any one man.

Saudi slavery was intertwined with Islam, receiving sanction from the Koran and the Hadiths while relying on the Saudi role as the guardians of Mecca and Medina to lure African Muslims into slavery. African Muslims who made the pilgrimage to Mecca were defrauded and forced to sell their children into slavery to afford the return trip home. Slave traders lured African Muslims from Sudan, Mali and Burkina Faso by promising to take them to the holy places of Islam and teach them to read the Koran in Arabic.

Sheikh Saleh Al-Fawzan, a leading authority on Islam in Saudi Arabia, bluntly stated, “Slavery is a part of Islam. Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam.” The linkage between slavery, Jihad and Islam dates back to Mohammed whose followers were compensated with human property.

In The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa, John Alembillah Azumah writes that, “In pre-Islamic Arabia blacks were held in high esteem and did marry Arab women … the discrimination on account of the colour of their skin is a development within the Islamic period.”

Racism was a necessary prerequisite to the expansion of Islam through Jihad. The land that is today known as Saudi Arabia was at the center of those conquests, growing rich in slaves and loot. Today it is once again at the center of the new Jihad, its every atrocity justified by its role in the holy wars of Islam.

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  • truebearing

    Great essay. This is the true meaning of apartheid, exceeding South Africa, if in no other category than duration. This also puts into context the Left’s insane claims of apartheid in Israel, where none of these cruelties have ever ocurred, or been official governmental or religious policy.

    Having cranked the contrast to maximum, Greenfield demands of the Left a justification and apology for their lies. How does Obama reconcile bowing to the Saudis? How does the US justify years of foreign policy where the truth about these ruthless tyrants, and their evil religion, was obscured from Americans? And where was the media all of the many years they were siding with the Palestinians and hurling false accusations of apartheid at Israel?
    Oh, and where was the United Nations, that beacon of international hope for the oppressed?

    This should be read by every American, and European as well.

    • Bamaguje

      “How does Obama reconcile bowing to the Saudis?” – Truebearing

      He has Black blood, so he is a slave (abd), bowing to his racially superior Arab masters.

      “How does the US justify years of foreign policy where the truth about
      these ruthless tyrants, and their evil religion, was obscured from
      Americans?” – Truebearing.

      Denial and political correctness.

      “and where was the United Nations, that beacon of international hope for the oppressed?” – truebearing.

      Busy chasing shadows of “apartheid” in Israel.

      • Larry Larkin

        Not only that, but being an East African muslim, it means his ancestors were slavers, not slaves.
        Big difference from the descendants of slaves that make up most of the USA’s black population.

        • BagLady

          What the f**k has Obama’s Muslim ancestry got to do with his love affair with Wall Street?

      • therealpm

        “He has Black blood, so he is a slave (abd), bowing to his racially superior Arab masters”

        That is exactly how the Saudis, and the rest of the Arab world, would have interpreted it.

      • BagLady

        “He has black blood……” Oh per-lease. He has another 50% ‘white blood’. I see no evidence that his policies are colour prejudiced. Let’s get over that.

        • A Z

          Black Panthers were filmed in Philadelphia intimidating voters. Eric Holder appointed by Obama let them go.

          You can try to blame it on Bush, but the election had been won on the 1st Tuesday of November and the bureaucrats knew who was going to be the new boss, when they refused to prosecute.

          That is just one example.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4MTQVMatW0

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQg-7HNQAA8

        • Wolfthatknowsall

          However, he leaves the race-baiting to his toadies in the administration and the paid trolls on the internet.

          Otherwise, I agree. I would rather leave race alone, because race is irrelevant, to me. Please tell that to uptownsteve!

        • Bamaguje

          I never said he has ONLY Black blood.

        • carpe diem 36

          HUH???

    • Daniel Greenfield

      There’s no international law or justice. It’s all a sham. Any country with enough international influence and Third World status can get away with anything.

    • BagLady

      $$$$$$$s darling.

  • Judahlevi

    This story will have no impact on liberals. If they don’t complain about the treatment of women and homosexuals, they won’t complain about this. Because Islam is anti-Western they get a pass for everything else.

    Don’t underestimate how much liberals engage in xenophilia. Since they hate their own culture, they put upon a pedestal any different culture – no matter how backward or primitive.

    Obama will bow to any culture which rejects the West.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      It’s the age old “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”.

      Hence the Red/Green Axis of Evil.

    • Bandark

      Honestly, anyone who supports Israel should be the last person to talk. NO place in the world is as oppressive as Israel.

      Perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black.

      • http://www.chaverimisrael.org Norbert Haag

        Can you please enlighten us with specific cases of “opressive Israel”?

        We all like to learn the facts rather then to take you on face value.

      • therealpm

        On the contrary about 80-90% of the world’s countries are far more oppressive than Israel. They would include every single Islamic country and, most likely, every single African country.

        • BagLady

          This is very true but try comparing yourselves with, say, Norway, instead of the lowest forms of desert life.

          • Gee

            We can compare ourselves very well. Is Norway still imprisoning mothers for not giving their children Norwegian names? Or giving veterans of the SS the same pensions as those that fought them?

          • BagLady

            Who is imprisoning mothers for not giving their children certain names? Hope you’re not stepping back decades in history to give a present day example. Tut tut.

          • BagLady
          • Habbgun

            You do know Israel lives smack dab within what you call the lowest forms of desert life and we do all notice you still would rather hit on Israel than face up to real oppression. Typical…typical Leftist.

          • BagLady

            What oppression? Show me this lowly life that Jews are living in their oppressed state.

            Please, leave with the violins already.

          • Habbgun

            You are beyond an idiot. They defend themselves….hence they are not oppressed. Take that army away and their lives aren’t worth anything. Not that wouldn’t break your heart.

          • BagLady

            I accept that English is your second language and I make allowances for that.

          • Habbgun

            Actually I meant the oppression done by the Saudis in this article. You of course rushed to condemn Israel. Left wing white trash always has its tells.

          • BagLady

            You seem to believe in the ‘exclusive or’. Why does criticising Israel prevent me from criticising other oppressive regimes? These are totally separate issues. Let’s treat each country on its own merits and leave comparison aside, since chalk and cheese have never been good bedfellows.

          • Habbgun

            The reality of politics is people have only so much bandwidth and Israel is topic number one at the United Nations and I don’t hold out much hope that Brits like you and the BBC will be too worried about actual oppression and not the Palestinians.
            When Britain wakes up from its Sax Roehmer yellow peril fantasy of evil inscrutable Asians, criminal Jews and misunderstood totally noble Moslems let me know. I doubt I’ll live long enough to see it. I don’t see what standing Brits have to make moral assessments about the Middle East. They were in it for the Imperialism and not to live there. Somehow I doubt that gives you any real moral standing.

          • A Z

            Oslo grows more dangerous by the day.

            Without oil exports the socialist government in Norway will lack funds for their utopia. North Sea oil output is already declining.

            Malmo, Sweden which is close to Norway had no go zones.

            So what were you saying?

          • DAWNOFNEWDAY

            Who let all those Africans and Muslims into Western Countries? Hint. It’s a group that starts with a J and rhymes with the word ‘news.’

          • Chavi Beck

            source?

          • carpe diem 36

            i am glad to hear that. what you are saying is that Jooz are running “western countries”, to quote you. do you know how many Jooz even live in those western countries, let alone are the rulers of them? now no only your prejudice is showing but you awesome ignorance as well.

          • BagLady

            One no longer needs to reside in a country to rule it. We now have cyberspace.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Then it must be true.

          • BagLady

            What is?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Any accusation of oppression, foreign rule, and above all the NWO which is run by the Jews.

          • Bamaguje

            So antisemitic dhimmi Norway is your gold standard?

          • DAWNOFNEWDAY

            Jews let them into Norway, Sweden, England, France, Germany, and know those jews are trying to control Ukraine by bringing them into the EU to control their economy and bringing in all these muslims and violent black Africans.

          • Omar

            England is not a country. England is one of four internal divisions (along with Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland) that make up the country known as the United Kingdom. Calling the UK “England” is offensive to the people living in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, the UK’s three other internal divisions.

          • BagLady

            Bugger off! England is a country. Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland are all free to go and be their own people.

          • Omar

            No they are not. You are British first and foremost, you separatist. The United Kingdom remains one country, not four, you annoying hatemonger.

          • BagLady

            What has hate got to do with it? I’m English OK? I’m not Scottish, Welsh nor Irish. They are my neighbours. Perhaps in your world that equates to hatred but we English have risen above such childishness whilst still retaining our identity. If you have lost yours in the globalisation of things, then so be it. Don’t foist your foibles onto me.

          • carpe diem 36

            this is irrelevant to discussion

          • BagLady

            I wasn’t aware of Norway’s antisemitic stance. They have one mass murderer and many followers who are anti Sharia but anti-Jew?

          • BagLady

            Norway, like many European countries is moving Right. However, they still have one of the least corrupt governments in the world, which was my point.

        • DAWNOFNEWDAY

          Jews have been kicked out of countries over 100 times throughout history. Does that say something about them? If someone told you they got arrested once, you’d be understanding. but if someone told you they’d been arrested 100 times, would you start to think THEY were the problem?

      • GregHamilton

        Bandark, please stop wasting our time with tu quoque arguments.

        • Wolfthatknowsall

          As a philosopher, I appreciate remarks like yours …

          • ghamilton57

            Thanks WolfThatknowsall, I’m exploring this subject on my blog – Malsi-tung

          • BagLady

            Well Wolf, since you know everything, there is little reason to discuss anything with you…. at all.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            I don’t know everything. But I do know a lot about the subject I earned my PhD in … philosophy. Logic (informal, formal, and symbolic) is part of the that discipline. There were at least three logical fallacies in what you just said, m’Lady.

            Shall I lower my level of discourse on this website because it doesn’t meet the expectations of people about Americans?

        • ghamilton57

          Many on the left do not understand the rules of rational thought. They are far too preoccupied with what they would like to be true and tend to resist finding out what really is true.

          • Disapp

            In my opinion, we are ruled by the insane,

          • BagLady

            ….. for example, or are we to be riveted by your twittering thoughts?

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            It was an expression of opinion, which often can be summed up in a single sentence. He is, of course, under no obligation to provide you with the rationale for his opinion.

          • BagLady

            That’s one sentence. Where is the rest of your argument?

      • Daniel Greenfield

        Really? Israel is worse than North Korea?

      • ssmith

        Please expand. Give examples of where Israel is oppressive, and more so than SA. Israel allows Arabs to study, work, participate in society, and they do with great success. How could they were Israel oppressive and apartheid ?
        They may have their little eccentricities and forbidden foods , strict Sabbath etc, cultural rules as more countries do, but the main question is are they torturing, abusing others including women.
        Some in ultra-Orthodox circles may be guilty of some similar eccentricities as Muslims such as women sitting in the back of the bus, ( being challenged) but women are not classed as cattle, mutilated, or victims of temporary marriage and slavery such as in SA.
        Oppressive ? Hardly, the only free democracy in the ME !

        • BagLady

          Women sitting in the back of the bus is enough for me to shout … ISM

          Seems there is little difference between Sharia law and Zionism.

          A plague on both their houses.

          • Habbgun

            Tut…tut….that sounds like supremacism on your part….the masses won’t take it much longer….enjoy your just desserts.

          • BagLady

            “SUPREMACISM” on my part. What sounds like supremacism? you give no direct pointer to the sentence that put me in the apartheid camp.

          • kikorikid

            I am neither Jew or Muslim.
            And I will do my own reductionist thinking,thank you.
            In my mind I have reduced,”Zionism”, to a
            desire for a Homeland. I can really get behind that. Idea.
            Shariah Law is written, codified, compelling directions
            for every facet of Human existence. Totalitarian.
            Incredible differences that you apparently missed.

          • BagLady

            “And I will do my own reductionist thinking,thank you.”

            Was I suggesting anything other than my opinion? There was no insistence that you follow my train of thought. You are quite free to fight your own corner.

            “Homeland” I can empathise with but a defined border is a long time coming.

            Sharia law is “written” in the same way as the Old Testament, giving Jews the Promised Land, is “written”.

      • Hass

        Oppressive? How about you give some examples?

      • Crazycatkid

        Troll alert

      • Avigayil

        Oh really, as black Israeli woman I beg to differ. I have the same rights as everyone else here. FYI, there are black members of the Knesset and black Israeli diplomats. Miss Israel was recently black. My children are well-adjusted and successful in school, where they treated equally to other students. They are welcome to play in their friends’ homes and their friends come over to mine. I live a normal, happy life that is unaffected by the color of my skin.

        • BagLady

          Can I put you in touch with my Palestinian refugee friends so you can relay your good luck story. I’m sure they’ll all be pleased to hear it.

          • Chavi Beck

            Better yet, how bout you put us in touch with every single unfortunate citizen of Africa or the Middle East. They also would love to be citizens of Israel. Unfortunately for them, they ain’t. And Israel doesn’t owe them a thing.

          • BagLady

            I fail to see the connection between “every citizen of Africa and the Middle East” and Palestine.

            Perhaps you could ‘prove’ that all these foreigners desire to move to Israel. I don’t see a built up on your borders as I do on, say, Europe and Australia. I’d put you very low down on the list of desirable residences.

          • kayos99

            I have been trying to give you and ‘Dawn of New Day’ the thumbs UP on every comment but it doesn’t register so I am commenting directly to you. Way to go! You and Dawn are taking on all the shills (now I know where that term comes from) who believe Israel can be excused all its war (and ‘peace talks’) crimes because it’s not racist like Saudi and therefore not apartheid. Guess what? ‘Apartheid’ has been redefined; it does not just mean separation (wall) by race.

          • LibertarianToo

            “‘Apartheid’ has been redefined”
            Yes! At last an anti-semite who admits it!~ It now means “anything Israel does”.

          • kayos99

            In 1973 the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid was adopted by the United Nations General Assembly. The ICSPCA defines the crime of apartheid as “inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group … over another racial group … and systematically oppressing them.” In 2002 the crime of apartheid was further defined by Article 7 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court as encompassing inhumane acts such as torture, murder, forcible transfer, imprisonment, or persecution of an identifiable group on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, or other grounds, “committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime.”
            In a 2007 report, United Nations Special Rapporteur for Palestine John Dugard stated that “elements of the Israeli occupation constitute forms of colonialism and of apartheid, which are contrary to international law” and suggested that the “legal consequences of a prolonged occupation with features of colonialism and apartheid” be put to the International Court of Justice. In 2009 South Africa’s statutory research agency the Human Sciences Research Council (HSRC) published a report stating that “the State of Israel exercises control in the [Occupied Palestinian Territories] with the purpose of maintaining a system of domination by Jews over Palestinians and that this system constitutes a breach of the prohibition of apartheid.”

            Conclusion its Apartheid.

      • pneville

        Israel has welcomed the “lost” tribes of Black Jews from Ethiopia.

        • BagLady

          Is that right?

      • Gerald
      • Daniel Katz

        The only thing black is the bullshit coming out of you one single brain fart.It’s ironical that both Israeli Arabs and Israeli blacks have more civil rights than any other Muslim does in an Arab nation.

        • Disapp

          Please provide proof that your comments are correct.

        • DAWNOFNEWDAY

          Israel just deported 50000 blacks last summer. Jews want to keep Israel Jewish while flooding white countries (Europe, America, Canada, Australia) with blacks and muslims.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4lWyfOQm70

          • LibertarianToo

            Nope. The guy in the vid doesn’t even know what the capital of Israel is. Why would the rest of his un-sourced assertions be any more accurate?

    • Daniel Greenfield

      They’re other oriented

      • guest

        ‘Other oriented’, that’ the nicest way I’ve ever heard put for self loathing.

        Leftists are the endpoint for selflessness as an ideal. They are beyond religious zealotry with this notion. They practice a form of self-country-cide. Because it focuses their suicidal impulses and energy. And because they’re too cowardly to actually follow their self destroying impulses to the endpoint. Notice how suicide is treated now days. Hoffman got maybe a day of notice. 30 years ago, it would have been months.

        Leftists are the zombie hoard amongst us.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          They’re not genuinely selfless. They’re egotists, overgrown children bent on destroying the identities of their parents.

          • Crazycatkid

            Yes, partly explaining the anti-Semitism/anti-Zionism of liberal Jews

          • DAWNOFNEWDAY

            Explain to me why Jews have been expelled from over 109 countries throughout history. Explain to me the connections between Jews and communist murderers. Explain to me the fact that every liberal movement and perversion in the West has been pushed by Jews. Explain to me why we hear about the Spanish Inquisition of the expelling of Jews, but they don’t talk about the fact Jews were helping the Muslims take over Spain then. Explain to me why we are taught the Germans killed ‘six million jews’, yet we’re not taught about the fact Jewish bankers declared an economic war on Germany or the fact a Jewish author called for destroying German people (sterilizing them.) Explain to me why today the Jews in Europe are flooding those once nice, white countries with muslims and africans and criminilzing the native White Europeans there for objecting to being take over by third-world immigrants?

            Maybe this is why ‘anti semitism’ exists.

          • BagLady

            I find it quite chilling to hear Jews labelling their fellow Jews ‘self-haters’ when they fail to toe the party line. Under the belt, in my humble opinion.

          • BagLady

            Ha ha ha. How to stab the opposition below the belt.

          • Olorin

            Daniel, I don’t at all agree.

            They are MAD AT their parents for not having set the boundaries and modeled the firmness that adults are supposed to provide for children, so the latter can grow up into morally, mentally, ethically healthy adults, balanced in both connection and individuation.

            Of course they are self hating and suicidal–Rachel Corrie comes to mind (I knew her) and also that creature at Harvard who published that odious piece about “academic justice” last week. They evolve into “useful idiots” because Islam in particular targets this form of no-limits decadence for recruitment to the ranks of terrorism, recognizing all that kumbaya better than western liberals do as a mother lode of fury looking for a bomb to throw.

            This is the same dynamic at work in the Race Card Industry, where professional black malcontents recruit young blacks to their own self destruction.

            For me the real question is why liberal elders and parents consume their young in this precise fashion.

            As for young liberals, they are young people whose parents (if any) never presented them with the guidance and challenge that human (and maybe all mammalian) youngsters need to feel secure. All they’ve ever heard is how special they are. How any limit would harm them. How the world is an endless procession of happy bunnies and rainbow-unicorns. How they deserve all this Stuff.

            Except then they begin to see that most people don’t get a unicorn (as Bruce Bawer observed in these pages recently re: Ms. Korn). Including them. The rage and confusion can only be infantile; they have not evolved past that psychologically OR socially. Thus terrorism and authoritarianism look pretty good to them…and so do, for instance, Anne Rice, Stig Larson, Twilight, 50 Shades of Gray, 4chan, and the rapidly proliferating worlds of violent and degrading online porn.

            They are taught to blame their parents, authority, their teachers, the West, and everything their psyches considers “the man” for their own internal sense of anguish over…something. So of course they “loathe themselves,” since they have no real selves, just a locus of constant appeasement, complaint, and grievance.

            It’s been demonstrated that too-high self-esteem damages kids psychologically and leads to narcissism, just as too-low self-esteem damages them. More to the point, as Paul Berman so amply has written about (see particularly “Terror and Liberalism”), one strain of 20th century liberalism took it all over, and it has its roots in the thanatos cult of Islam. This is what we now see at The Evergreen State College and Harvard–a handful of faculty Pied Pipering the Corries and Korns of the world to their own doom.

            It’s also the case that many more students aren’t going in that direction. I’d like us to pay more attention to them. Instead of, like so many elders, giving the problem children all the attention.

        • BagLady

          .. suicidal? Not a very logical human state where the gene commands us to self-preserve. Granted, there are aberrations but it’s hardly going to become a ‘lemming’ situation.

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    • DAWNOFNEWDAY

      Liberals are only concerned about black suffering if they can blame it on white men. Liberals are only concerned about women’s rights, provided it is not white Christian men taking away their rights. Blacks can kill each other all day in the hood and no outcry from liberals, but when George Zimmerman or Michael Dunn come along, the liberals flip out. If a white man makes a ‘sexist’ remark against a woman, he’s tarred and feathered. If an arab muslim man makes a woman wear a burkha or throws acid in her face or stones her to death (as they do in Islamic socities), the liberals are quiet about it.

    • Aaron

      I’m a bit confused by your comment. It is the far right conservatives that are absolutely infatuated with Middle Eastern oil, and as such give Saudi Arabia a free pass to do whatever they wish. Trying to play holier than thou on an ultra conservative web page comments section isn’t going to convince anyone other than those who already share your ideological hatred of progressives.

    • Gengis Khan

      Hell no they don’t get a flipping pass! I’m Muslim, May Allah allow the four winds to blow on the world of Satan

    • BagLady

      Slight exaggeration here.

    • Tzckrl

      This might be the most fabulously, laughably, stupid comment I’ve ever seen.

  • SCREW SOCIALISM
  • Hassan

    You must be so proud of your good Saudi allies and friends.

    • Hassan

      Sorry, the term ‘allies’ indicate an equal footing. Obama bows like a slave to his Saudi master, and provides the muscle for Saudi foreign policy.

      • Dyer’s Eve

        You said it! Obama is a Muslim and a Saudi slave. I wonder if Obama has been castrated yet…?

        • catherineinpvb

          He married Michelle, right? (A metaphor for a castration; if ever there was one.)

      • Habbgun

        You’re making sense for once….but like we say in the USA….Saudia Arabia? Just Frack ‘em!

    • Dyer’s Eve

      Nah, we hate ‘em! We just want their oil. Saudi Arabia will NEVER be an ally! Understand? Have a nice day.

      • Hassan

        It doesn’t matter what you feel as long as your president bows in awe of the Saudi king, as long as you support their foreign political goals in the Middle East and squander your military resources and the lives of your soldiers for them.

        Your actions show the deepest respect, admiration and support of Saudi Arabia.

        America is their junior partner.

        • Dyer’s Eve

          Showing ‘respect, admiration and support’ to the Saudi king would be like kissing Hitler on the mouth.

        • Habbgun

          Yeah well Obama is the Moslem Brotherhood’s best friend, stays silent as the mullahs in Iran kill their own people, supported Chavez, supports Maduro……yeah he’s a freakin’ blessing.

    • kikorikid

      “You must be so proud of your good Saudi allies and friends ,He said,
      voice dripping with sarcasm.”
      Let’s see, that would make you Shia, right!

  • blert

    The terms of indenture structured under Shariah really mean Forced Labor.
    That status is blended down from slavery — as the Saudi figures he’s leasing your corpus. And so every indentured party is treated like a rental car — even as the driver is enraged and arguably insane. NPD is pandemic among Saudi ‘employers.’
    The Muslim practice of castration — wholesale — upon African slaves — even into modern times merits emphasis. The historical result of this is that current populations don’t reflect the astounding level of enslavement practiced upon Africans (South of the Sahara) going back all the way.
    The infamous Tuaregs were dedicated to this ‘trade.’ They were the back drop threat for “Beau Geste.” (1939) They had been enslavers even in Roman times. Hannibal’s elephants came across the desert by their hands.
    Both the remaining African elephants and African humans are still terrified of them. IIRC, there is only one elephant herd left, immediately south of the Tuareg stomping grounds. Hannibal and the Romans must have rounded them all up.

    Strangely, Obama’s family is Kenyan Muslim — as in descendents of enslaving Muslims going back through the centuries.
    Not a peep out of the MSM about that — nor his connection to the wannabee despot in Kenya that he actively stumped for in 2007 — on the mic and with video! Upon defeat his relative (extended kin) went on a rampage and hundreds of Christian Africans were murdered — typically in or defending their churches. –

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Yes, the Afro-Saudi population would be much larger without castration.

  • Seriously

    What a silly misleading report, first time to view this mag and probably the last for showing a lack of realistic analysis.

    • Judahlevi

      “Realistic” to the left is only an opinion which concurs with theirs.

      Yes, we are sure Saudi Arabia is one of the most open and tolerant of countries in “reality.” Hopefully, this is the last time you are here.

  • I smashed Allah!

    You’ll publish apologists and bootlickers, but you burn me. Okay, that’s fine. The roulade of pandemonium soaked in the muggy sods will carry on.

    • Habbgun

      I think that’s British for screw off. Wanker.

  • nopeacenow

    When the leaders of Saudi Arabia convert to Judaism there will be calls for boycotts, divestments and sanctions. BDS movement is about Jews and the Jewish state. Nothing else matters.

  • BagLady

    Dear Daniel,

    As much as I enjoy reading your articles, I feel it’s time for you to take a sabbatical.

    I don’t know your age, your status nor wealth but I do know the post-code of your office. I probably passed by on my way to visit a British newcomer in a very nice rental in one of your shady avenues.

    She served me tea while explaining the ‘system’. Although her husband had made his fortune in England and had no need for credit, she had to run up debts to prove her worthiness. The more she borrowed the higher her credit rating. It was six months later that her lovely husband was admitted to the hospital suffering from stress.

    Daniel, you are writing whilst in a state of Californian indoctrination. Time to spend a little time galumphing around the deserts with the camel drovers. Sit atop an Himalayan mountain and ponder or, better still, visit the hard men of the Mongolian steppes for a while.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      I take a sabbatical every six days and my post code is actually on the other ocean which is a good deal colder right now. It might be nice to take some time out on the Mongolian steppes, but I would probably just end up writing compulsively there too.

      Yes the credit rating system is absurd and insane, but it’s possible to raise your credit rating without racking up actual debt, as in spending money you don’t have.

    • Wolfthatknowsall

      Having traveled several times to Mongolia, I can tell you that the men, there, are hard. Unfortunately, there’s not that many of them. Also, Mongolia has abundant natural resources which both China and Russia … today’s colonialists … want desperately.

      • kikorikid

        OH Goody, Lets talk about the Mongols and the Islamos.

        • Drakken

          The Mongols, didn’t have talking points, COEXIST stickers on their horses, kumbaya sessions or dialogue with their enemies, they just put them to the sword and called it a day and roasted some beef to celebrate. Hmmm they might have something there.

    • Judahlevi

      It is absolutely not true that a person needs to “run up debts” to have an excellent credit score. That is one of many misconceptions some people have about credit scoring.

      The credit agencies will penalize you for too much debt (particularly if you are going over 30% of your credit line) but they give you zero points for having balances.

      From what I have seen of your comments, you might want to take a long sabbatical yourself. Misinformation is not helpful.

  • The Facts

    Most people will read this article and know that Mr. Greenfield is only pushing Saudi Arabia as an apartheid state because Israel has been portrayed as an apartheid state. The article depends on the idea that people don’t read other news. If this were not true, then the belief would be that this article presents a scathing counterargument proving that Saudi Arabia is more apartheid than Israel. It doesn’t do that. It’s “I know you are but what am I.” The politics of Pee Wee Herman.

    • Softly Bob

      But Saudi Arabia is more apartheid than Israel. In fact, Israel is not an apartheid state.
      Facts are facts, and that you deny them shows just what a vile little creep you are. What is about facts that you don’t get? There are none so blind as those who refuse to see!
      I know what evil little idiots Leftists like you are and even when truth smacks you in the face you deny it. You call black, white and white, black because your stupid political propaganda is more important to you than the truth.

      • The Facts

        People who live at Vlad Tepes Blog and drool over Tommy Robinson have no place accusing others of “stupid political propaganda.”

        • Softly Bob

          Just random comments from an idiot.
          What do you not understand about Saudi Arabia that still practices slavery today, discriminates against women and is responsible for all the atrocities in the above article?
          You haven’t once addressed these issues. you’ve just blurted out that ‘Israel is more of an apartheid state than Saudi Arabia’.
          So is that all you do? Just say something and it automatically becomes true?
          Ironically, and this is the biggest joke of all, you have the cheek to call yourself ‘the Facts’ when you don’t even know what a fact is.
          What a sad brainwashed idiot you are!

          • The Facts

            The fact remains that there is no point to the article but to tu quoque the widely observed fact that Israel is an apartheid state.

          • Softly Bob

            Israel is NOT an apartheid state…… WTF is wrong with you? There are even Muslims in the Knesset. Palestinians cross over into Israeli territory for free health care, but they still completely attack innocent Israeli citizens. If a Jew so much as entered Palestinian territory he would be lynched.
            These are simple facts that for some reason your mind is incapable of grasping!!!!!!

          • Daniel Greenfield

            The Facts like to hang out at White Supremacist sites pretending to be a black man who hates Jews more than Nazis do.

            You’re not going to win him over with facts.

          • The Facts

            Tell me all about the wonders of Israel. Tell me of its marvelous Constitution. Tell me how Jews, through their innate and learned sense of fairness have given Palestinians equal representation in the Knesset and how, gosh darn it, there is no clear majority, and through the power of democracy there is water access for all, and clear defense of people so they don’t lose their land to settlers. Tell me how people of the West Bank and Gaza come and go at will, even taking boats off the coast of their country. Tell me how they freely use the highways. Tell me how foreigners enter and exit Israel freely, unimpeded and unharassed for their political writings. Tell me how it is nothing like entering and leaving the Russian Sector of occupied Germany. Tell me how a Palestinian working in Tel Aviv is nothing like a black South African working in Johannesburg.

          • iluvisrael

            then you can enlighten us all about how the arabs trashed gaza when the Jews turned it over to their control – boy you’re a schmuck

          • nood2

            Well facts, you must like facts, so here is the truth:
            Over 65% of Israeli Arabs vote for Zionist Jewish parties in Knesset elections.
            65% is considered a vast majority.
            This 65% vote, according to you, for an apartheid state that is AGAINST them.
            This 65% vote, according to you, for a State that ethnic cleanses them.
            This 65% vote, according to you, for a State that wants to transfer them.
            Do you know why they vote for Zionist Jewish parties?
            Because their lives are good and there is NO apartheid, NO ethnic cleansing, and NO transfer.
            These are the facts.

          • The Facts

            If your kid brings home 65% on all his exams, does that work for you?

          • nood2

            What do my children have to do with the fact that 2/3 of Israeli Arabs have a good life in Israel?
            Nice try of avoiding facts

          • Softly Bob

            Tell me how a Jew is not even allowed to set foot in Saudi Arabia. Tell me how non-Muslims are not even allowed to set foot in Mecca. Now that’s REAL apartheid, but you just don’t get it. You’re so blind it’s unreal.
            Have you ever been to Saudi Arabia?
            Have you actually been to Israel, or do you just rely on your lying Leftist friends to give you all the info you need to know about the World?

          • Chavi Beck

            Hold on a sec — so you’d like Israel to consider the WB and Gaza a part of their own country? Wow, I didn’t realize you were such a right winger.

          • Habbgun

            OOOOOH. A nerve was struck. Tell me the joys of left wing white trashism. Ask a Venezuelan what they think of you Che T-shirt wearing bags of dope ridden inbred scum. Think they like you? Think they are sure that if it wasn’t for Israel Chavismo would be a ravishing success? You guys are now hated by Slavs, Latin Americans and counting. Guess what happens when the world reaches the tipping point? Think the Saudis want you? nah.

          • The Facts

            Good rhetoric should be aimed at the correct target audience. You should actually find a leftist who likes Che Guevara and Hugo Chavez and say this stuff to him. It might hurt his feelings. You’re doing the equivalent of telling a vegetarian that meat is murder.

          • Habbgun

            Good point….but since you all seem to sound the same concerning Israel…it is quite hard to tell who’s who. In America your stuff comes from the kind of people who do hug Chavez and still would no matter who much the Venezuelans hate his system. You don’t like getting lumped in. Find a better cause. How about real free markets for a change.

          • Drakken

            And I will call you a liar and a muslim jihadist supporter.

          • The Facts

            Meh.

          • iluvisrael

            only obsessed Jew haters like you single out the one Jewish nation for demonization – grow a pair and just admit you hate Jews, lil robbie

          • The Fact

            People complaining that they are singled out when they get caught doing something bad is just sheer comedy.

          • iluvisrael

            According to you, Israel can do no right and the rest of the world can do no wrong – you’ve been outed as a Jew hater many times flip. I stand by my comments.

    • Habbgun

      As always what would we do without the Left Wing White Trash opinion. Do you ever get tired of fondling your Occupier bucket?

    • Omar

      Once again, you are wrong about Israel, you ignoramus. Israel is an inclusive democratic state, while Saudi Arabia is an apartheid state. How are those facts not true, The Lies? Fact-check.

      • The Facts

        The common perception of the Israeli definition of “inclusive” is like when I take your wallet and include your finances into my belongings. Israel “includes” all kinds of imaginary land mass.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          By common perception, you mean your perception.

        • Habbgun

          That ain’t inclusive. That’s Obamacare.

    • Drakken

      You still haven’t put your money where your big mouth is and joined your pali friends? Why is that ? All talk and no show, your a puzzy.

  • Moneje Sogo

    Saudis are pigs

  • Hass

    The Libs who are commenting on this article can’t help showing their feelings by ignoring the horrendous facts and displaying their hatred of Israel.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Don’t bother them with the facts their minds are all made up

  • Linda Cohen

    Another enlightening and brilliant article. Amazing how you always have so much to teach us. Anyone familiar with Israel would know that Blacks, Muslims and Christians prefer living in Israel as opposed to any Middle Eastern country. All contrary information is anti-Semitism. The truth is being totally distorted by people who know better: such as former U.S. President Jimmy Carter. Thanks again.

  • dolt

    Saudi Arabia is US closest ally in Middle East. Could it be possible that nation once fought slavery now makes policy with obscurantists from the Middle Ages?

  • Jonathan

    these disgusting hypocrites don’t even obey their own religion. I’m pretty sure enslaving your fellow Muslims is forbidden

    • Daniel Greenfield

      You can just declare them infidels. That’s what the Saudi financed Salafists are doing in Syria.

      • CapitalistPig

        Good reading ya Mr. Greenfield. Another fine effort. I worked with Saudi pilot trainees years ago. Strange lot to say the least. Not all bad guys & I genuinely liked several of them. But wow, talk about a different culture. I wish now I had been able to appreciate the opportunity to understand & maybe prod them a bit more to learn about them–but I was in my early 20s at the time.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          SA went from feudal in a short amount of time

  • wileyvet

    Another excellent article Mr. Greenfield. It certainly shows the hypocrisy in Islam, where supposedly everyone is equal as a Muslim, but the Arabs, Saudis in particular are the top echelon Muslims, everyone else is 2nd and 3rd string Muslim. So 100 years after Lincoln’s emancipation proclamation in America, the Saudis abolish slavery, yet continue a Jim Crow system. Segregation now, segregation forever. How hideously backwards Arab society is, but isn’t multi-culturalism great?

  • Omar

    Where is uptownsteve? I thought he was going to post nonsense about how apartheid Saudi Arabia is “Zionist propaganda” and “Islamophobia”.

    • CapitalistPig

      I actually enjoy UpYoursSteve…..err Uptownsteve….he’s entertaining in a cruel sort of sense. If the story is Obama–it’s race. If the story is about the stock market–it’s a race story. Snow storms? Hey, they’re white you know! So snow is all about “coded, dog whistle, racism”.
      You really gotta lay awake at night to dream up some those tie ins to racism UpYoursSteve dreams up.

      • Habbgun

        He really must have a white Leftist parent like Obama does. Only those kind of people so thoroughly indoctrinate their children.

        • CapitalistPig

          Those types of people live to politicize EVERYTHING.
          One guy on here claimed that he had protested on some issue or another in Washington virtually every week since the early 1960s. I don’t know if he was exaggerating—but the idea that someone would actually believe that that is somehow “impressive” just escapes me………….. some loser trust fund hippie is what comes to mind.

  • Napier

    absolutely. Saudi Arabia is maybe the worst state in the world. No question. Can’t be boycotted. We need their oil, if only to stabilize the price.

    • Drakken

      We should have put a stop to their nonsense in 73 during the oil embargo and we wouldn’t be dealing with the aftermath now.

  • Texas Patriot

    Great article, Daniel, but you’re only scratching the surface of the problem. Money has a tendency to make blind men of everyone, and the Saudis have had plenty of that to spread around. It’s amazing what they have accomplished in the forty years since they declared that oil (and by implication oil money) would be used as a political weapon. Most of the prime real estate in the West is now owned by Saudis. They have key ownership and control influence over most major Western industries and business operations. Western governments and educational institutions are awash with Saudi cash. And the Saudis are absolute masters at putting the right amount of money in the right pocket at the right time to get whatever they want whenever and wherever they want it. And the’ve done it all with oil money they have received from the West. Most people are so duped by this process that they actually believe Islam is a religion of peace and the Saudis are victims of unjust discrimination. Quite a trick.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      All true, though the Saudis aren’t the only ones playing that game.

      • Texas Patriot

        I’m looking forward to your book.

  • pneville

    The first African emperor to become a Muslim made his trip to Mecca bearing a gift for his hosts. He took them 5000 African slaves.

  • JerryJ26

    I lived and worked in KSA for over 6 years in the 80′s and 90′s including the gulf war. I’ve seen both racial and gender aparthied up close. Even as a white male I was discriminated against myself and can’t say that I liked it much. One exception was Captain Ali of the RSAF who was the blackest man I’d ever met and who had no love for any of the fairer skinned Saudis including his superiors. He treated us expats with more respect than all the others combined.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Thanks for sharing your story

  • http://www.amren.com/ Berserker

    Where are the boycotts?

    The civil rights mafia doesn’t hate slavery.
    It hates White slave masters.

  • Disapp

    Saudi Arabia is considered a “friend” by the two major parties in the United States. I wonder why, but I assume the reason is oil. Or maybe they enjoy the Saudis form of government and secretly desire it for the United States.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      You do know about the treaty FDR created with them, don’t you? They are theoretically our close allies thanks to the DP. Not that the RP did much differently in handling them…but the DP are the ones that originally slept with them so to speak.

  • DAWNOFNEWDAY

    What about South Africa where blacks are killing whites and stealing their property? Blacks are ‘discriminated’ in America, China, MIddle East, Korea, Europe, Israel, etc. Yet anywhere there are black enclaves, there is crime, violence, corruption, poverty, etc. Might this be why others are ‘racist’ against them?

    • EagleJim

      There are many reasons for racism. One of humankind’s easiest bigotries is to categorize people into groups of “we and they.” This is found at all levels of human thought. Dividing people into “we and they” based on skin color is the easiest and most obvious visual difference to make. That’s why racism is found in every race: brown, black, red, yellow, white.

  • BagLady

    I have had wonderful Israeli friends and equally wonderful Palestinian friends. Not sure where you’re coming from.

  • Aaron

    Leviticus 25:44-46

    As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.

    I’ll just wait patiently for someone to comment on how everything in the Bible is good and correct…There’s actually a lot of examples of Slavery being given the ok in the Bible, but for sake of brevity I’ll just include the one here.

    • EagleJim

      Christian reformation and modernity have erased many reflections of the primitive mind that existed over 2000 years ago. Islam has yet to go through that process.

      • Aaron

        It’s not that I disagree with you, although I would point out that there are plenty of people in the U.S. who take the Bible as the literal word of God, and if given the opportunity, would gladly impose a Taliban style theocracy based on their extreme Christian beliefs. Our system of governing prevents that (for the most part), but that does not mean those extremists don’t exist.

        • Softly Bob

          Why are you quoting Moseic law which does not and never has applied to Christians?

          • Aaron

            My understanding (and I am certainly not a biblical scholar) is that the question of whether Christians still abide by the Old Testament is not so clear, with examples existing indicating they should, and others that they should not. Here’s something from the New Testament though (several slightly different translations depending on the version).

            1 Peter 2:18

            Both pro-slavery groups as well as Abolishionists used this to back up their stances on slavery. My point is that there are people in every religion who would very much like to see the world operate under the strict guidelines defined by their holy book. I would certainly admit that in today’s world it is Islam that appears to be more affected by this, but there are definitely those who would see their version of the Christian Bible forced on everyone if they had the means to do so. For example, do you not believe homosexuals would be actively persecuted if the folks from Westboro Church were in charge of everything?

          • Softly Bob

            It’s not an endorsement of slavery. It’s a bit like the ‘give to Caesar what is Caesar’s’ sort of thing. It means that if you live in a society that endorses slavery, then treat your slaves well. The general Christian consensus has been to abolish slavery – hence the Christian government of Britain abolished slavery and so eventually did the Christian U.S.A.
            In fact throughout the World, the only nations that have abolished slavery by their own will and effort have been Christian ones. All other nations abolished slavery through outside pressure from free nations.
            Islam on the other hand, endorses slavery. Muslims practiced slavery then and they still practice it today. When the White Europeans bought slaves in West Africa, they bought them from Arab Muslim slave traders.

          • Aaron

            Forgive me for saying, but slavery in the U.S. was abolished through force of arms, not free will. I know some may say it would have eventually been abolished without war, but that would be pure speculation.

          • Softly Bob

            It was still abolished by their own free will and effort. It was still Christian men fighting for freedom and Christians died for that belief.

            Slavery was officially abolished in Saudi Arabia in 1962, but not by their own consciences but only because of pressure from the West. Muslims did not abolish slavery from their own decisions, but only because of Christian pressure and morality.
            Slavery still continues in Saudi Arabia, however, but unofficially and illegally under the nose of a government that turns a blind eye to it.
            Mauritania did not officially abolish slavery until the 1980s, again under international pressure. It still continues!

          • objectivefactsmatter

            It was a civil was among the “oppressor class.” The slaves did not free themselves through violence.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “I would point out that there are plenty of people in the U.S. who take the Bible as the literal word of God, and if given the opportunity, would gladly impose a Taliban style theocracy based on their extreme Christian beliefs.”

          There has never been a legitimate Christian theocracy. Your statement is nonsense based on ignorant criticism of Christianity rather than rational analysis.

          • Aaron

            My response would be that your statement is rooted in blind defense of your faith, which I am not even attacking. I am simply asserting that there are extremists in every religion, who so strongly believe that their way is the only way, that they literally feel obligated to force it on others. If the stars aligned and the folks from Westboro Church were put in charge of everything in this country, do you really think they would be accepting and tolerating of those with other faiths?

            If you study the history of England, you will have no trouble at all understanding the brutality that followers of Christ are capable of inflicting on each other, simply for worshiping in a different manner. I do not deny that the Christian faith has largely moved past this phase, but one does not have to look very far to see comments such as “America is a Christian nation”, despite the fact that the country is filled with people of all faiths, or no faith at all. My feeling is that to deny this represents ignorance, although I am certainly not looking to get into an insulting match here.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “I am simply asserting that there are extremists in every religion, who so strongly believe that their way is the only way, that they literally feel obligated to force it on others.”

            First of all, “extremists” is an overused and imprecise description for the most part meant to conflate fervent believers of all kinds with suicide jihadis. But I do understand your statement and it doesn’t actually make sense.

            Imagine someone or some group trying to rally people around the idea of building a perfect communist Utopia and using the US constitution as the basis for their argument. It doesn’t work. That’s why the the RCC lost it’s sovereignty over government affairs everywhere but in a few square kilometers. In summary, a *lot* more Christians have access to the text. Communications technologies today mean that you will not see the viral spread of ideas that completely contradict the written words the ideas supposedly represent.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “If you study the history of England, you will have no trouble at all understanding the brutality that followers of Christ are capable of inflicting on each other, simply for worshiping in a different manner.”

            Um, it’s not about how they worship per se, though it’s true that was part of the rhetoric. It was about whether Christianity is coercive and a certain crowd believed yes. Other factions believed that only violence would rid them of the violently oppressive factions. Yet other factions left the country and started their own colonies.

            It’s not like they had pistol duels over differences in interpreting the meaning of the Trinity. Don’t be so naive.

            “I do not deny that the Christian faith has largely moved past this phase, but one does not have to look very far to see comments such as “America is a Christian nation”, despite the fact that the country is filled with people of all faiths, or no faith at all. My feeling is that to deny this represents ignorance, although I am certainly not looking to get into an insulting match here.”

            If you understand the history, you will see why it got that way only centuries after Christ died, and why that “phase” was anomalous and only really possible in an age when people had to trust the next guy about what a book supposedly said and what that supposedly meant.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “My response would be that your statement is rooted in blind defense of your faith, which I am not even attacking.”

            Your feelings are not that helpful to your argument.

  • Guest

    It’s a bit ironic that my posts keep getting deleted, despite having nothing profane or insulting in them. I guess other points of view aren’t welcome here.

    Kind of like in Saudi Arabia.

    • Habbgun

      My posts get deleted also. Filters are a blunt instrument. Reword and I’m sure your verbal gems will take root and create willow trees of love.

    • carpe diem 36

      and i have an “edit” under every comment I make. maybe they do not like smart people over there.

  • kikorikid

    Really hard to say who was “more proud”, Hitler or the tens of thousands
    of Arab-Muslims standing in formation in front of him right before
    he sent them to Stalingrad and oblivion. But they were all very proud
    about every little thing.

  • BagLady

    You speak as a white man

    • Wolfthatknowsall

      From what I’ve observed, he speaks as a rational man.

  • rommel gainer

    don’t get it twisted, mr so-called jew, Islam doesn’t have a thing to do with that madness, it’s called racism/white supremacy and it is a global system used to keep the real minority in control of the true majority. but you already know that don’t you judahlevi?

  • SlapAhoe

    I don’t have any hope for racist at the moment. Sadness weighs my heart down when I read this crap. As far as I’m concerned, the Zionist state of Israel, as well as the Arab countries (or any country that blatantly supports apartheid, racism etcetera ) Are demonic. How else can someone explain these atrocious acts.How can you say “Brother/Sister” Come, I will open my arms to you and teach you the religion. But there’s one catch, you must come to my country.” Then when you get there, they make your children slaves, so you can pay your way home? Well guess what bitch, we’re staying then! All of us gotdabnabit! And we ain’t not gotdam slaves!

  • Mehdi Patel

    a lot of propaganda here..amsterdam jews ran the slave trade to thee americas..they let the slaves die on the ships…like 2/3rds of them

  • Frankie Carter

    Reports like this are so heartbreaking. Even as an African raised in the west, it’s incredibly degrading and dehumanizing, knowing that people who look like you are rejected all over the world just because of skin color. Are we really so repulsive? It’s painful and almost impossible to understand.

  • White

    “Anti-Racists” say whites must accept “Diversity” of immigration.
    “Anti-Racists” say whites must accept “Diversity” into white communities.
    “Anti-Racists” say there is still the problem of white flight.
    “Anti-Racists” say “Diversity” means chasing down the last white person.
    “Anti-Racists” are ready to demand a “Fugitive Whites Act”

    “Diversity” is a codeword for White Genocide.
    “Anti-racist” is a codeword for anti-white

  • misshaps

    There needs to be some Liberal hangings