Saudi King Really Panicking Over ISIS

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If you thought the Iraqi and Syrian armies performed poorly, just wait till you see the Saudis in action. Having royals run the military helps prevent your monarchy from ending up like the Egyptian and Iraqi monarchies did, but doesn’t make them at all competent.

At least the competent parts of it are likely to turn on the Saudis.

Considering how much of the Saudi population supports ISIS and how much of a pushover the Saudi military would be, you can see why the paymaster of the Jihad is a little bit worried.

King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has warned that the West will be the next target of the jihadists sweeping through Syria and Iraq, unless there is “rapid” action.

Lack of action would be “unacceptable” in the face of the phenomenon, King Abdullah said.

“You see how they (jihadists) carry out beheadings and make children show the severed heads in the street,” he said, condemning the “cruelty” of such acts.

“It is no secret to you, what they have done and what they have yet to do. I ask you to transmit this message to your leaders: ‘Fight terrorism with force, reason and (necessary) speed” said the king who was speaking at a welcoming ceremony on Friday for new ambassadors, including a new envoy from Saudi ally the United States.

Never let them see you sweat is genuinely good advice in the Middle East. Not that even Obama is likely to let the Saudi monarchy fall. And if worst comes to worst, the Gulf Arabs can hire enough Western and Russian mercenaries to save themselves. Probably.

Saudi money created the mosques and Imams who serve as the recruitment bases for ISIS foreign fighters abroad. The Saudi king knows this and isn’t about to stop no matter how often it backfires.

Yes all this has done a lot of damage to us, but Abdullah has a tiger by the tail. Trying to feed it infidel meat has only sharpened its appetite.

A competent president would cut a deal that would save the Saudi monarchy in exchange for significantly altering the power relationship and ending Saudi terror funding. But we’re as likely to get one of those as we are the end of all taxation.

So the Saudis will keep on playing the same old game and Washington will go on dancing to their tune.

  • Texas Patriot

    Daniel, as you suggest, It’s not a matter of competence. It’s a matter of loyalty. If the Saudi military gets the idea that the Saudi family is not sufficiently “Islamic”, the Saudi armed forces will lay down their arms and refuse to fight, and Khalifa Ibrahim, ISIS, and Islamic State will take over Saudi Arabia even faster than Iraq.

    • Una Salus

      Takbir!!! Patriot,
      OG Saudi royalty are never incompetent just uninspired.
      If the Saudis were sufficiently Islamic then they would have fanatic fighters the equal of any in Islamic State.

      Your keen Islamic insights never fail to impress.

    • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

      The Saudi military has ‘royal’ officers and draws from family connections, just like Saddam’s Iraq. But that’s no guarantee when it comes to the soldiers.

      • Texas Patriot

        The problem I see for the West is that we are caught, once again, between the possibility of (a) being regarded as the enabler and guarantor of a lapsed and apostate Islamic regime and (b) seeing 60 plus billion dollars worth of sophisticated military hardware falling into the hands of ISIS and the Islamic State. The only possible bright spot in this scenario is that our military equipment is so advanced that it tends to become virtually worthless in the hands of those who don’t know how to use and maintain it.

        • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

          We’ve always been trapped there. A lot of the higher end stuff will be worthless, it really is already, but enough armor and heavy firepower is enough as we’ve seen in Iraq.

          • Texas Patriot

            Unfortunately, trying to prop up “friendly” Muslim regimes against ISIS and the Islamic State is probably an exercise in futility. Ultimately, the only security for the civilized world against the combined forces of Islamic jihad is energy independence from Middle Eastern oil. Without oil revenues, the primary sponsors of global Islamic jihad would probably disappear like mirages in the desert.

          • pfbonney

            “Unfortunately, trying to prop up “friendly” Muslim regimes against ISIS and the Islamic State is probably an exercise in futility.”

            You’re right about that.

            That’s what the British had been doing in Iran, for generations. Then when they gave up, the US (under Eisenhower, I’m pretty sure), tried picking up that task by supporting the Shah. And we all know how THAT ended.

            I wish I knew the solution.

          • Texas Patriot

            The solution is twofold: (a) outlaw the practice of Islam in the West; and (b) work to become independent of Islamic oil in the East.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            They must also be de-nuked as well. We should also confiscate their oilfields on top of it, since the proceeds generated there of go to finance the resurgence of Islam and to fund jihad.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Yeah right, you self-hating Ron Paul kooks like loons all blame the ouster of Mossadegh, who was a secular infidel, in the Shi’a infidel state of Iran to Sunnis, for the 9/11 violent jihad attacks. Dude…the last thing the Sunni Muslims who constitute AQ would do is avenge the ouster of an infidel from a Shi’a infidel state. You morons are all unhinged, and you have the temerity to repeat that absurdity to this day. Yeah right it was “blowback”!

          • pfbonney

            Look who is REALLY unhinged!!!

            I got to you! Ya gotta love it!!!

          • pfbonney

            “…you self-hating Ron Paul kooks like loons all blame the ouster of Mossadegh, who was a secular infidel, in the Shi’a infidel state of Iran to Sunnis, for the 9/11 violent jihad attacks. Dude…the last thing the Sunni Muslims who constitute AQ would do is avenge the ouster of an infidel from a Shi’a infidel state.”

            I haven’t a clue about what you’re talking about.

            Maybe I’m not the person you think I am, or are trying to paint me to be.

            I told you before that I’m a former Ron Paul constituent. There’s a BUG chasm between those who supported him for president and those of us who were his actual constituents.

            But – and suit yourself here – if you feel compelled to lump me in with the JBS kooks, and have your volleys at me miss your mark, feel free to go right ahead.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            I haven’t a clue about what you’re talking about.
            Maybe I’m not the person you think I am, or are trying to paint me to be.
            I told you before that I’m a former Ron Paul constituent

            You are deliberately playing dumb. Even if you weren’t a Ron Paul kook, you would know about that insanity as he got booed off the stage at every Presidential debate every time he brought up that garbage.

            There’s a BUG chasm between those who supported him for president and those of us who were his actual constituents.

            Too late, once a Ron Paul kook, always a Ron Paul kook. You can’t back away now!

          • pfbonney

            As I have already said, I never was a “Ron Paul kook”.

            But certainly, I do want you to suit yourself. It is important to me that you have someone available to help you feel substantial.

            Also, I realize that you were an only child, likely raised by only your mother, i.e., you had an absentee father.

            Only children are used to getting their way, and act like a spoiled brat. Additionally, they continue to act in that manner even as they age. I see you act this way to everyone who disagree with you here on this blog.

            Furthermore, children who are raised without their dad are often unbearable to be around, as they never had the discipline from their father, and are often incorrigable.

            This sounds like a perfect match with you. While there is a chance I’m wrong on the details, I still stand by my assessment about your behavior. If you can tell by everyone’s response to your posts, no one likes you.

            So I do understand how important it is that I play the part of a “Ron Paul kook” for you, regardless of the actual facts, so I want you to know that I’ll be there for you whenever you feel the need to “press that button”, so to speak.

            In the mean time, let’s have a little fun, shall we?

          • ObamaYoMoma

            The problem is everybody is focused on ISIS in Iraq, because they are being mis-portrayed as Muslim extremists on steroids. It is said that they represent a very grave national security threat to America, but exactly how, I can’t quite figure out? Do they have a dynamic economy? No. Do they have a blue water navy? No. Do they have nuclear submarines stocked with nuclear tipped missiles? No. Do they have F-23s that are bigger, faster, and stealthier than our tiny fleet of F-22s. No.

            It is also said that ISIS will sneak in terrorists into America through our southern border to blow up shopping malls and other places where people congregate in mass. What people don’t realize though, is there is already an ongoing jihad manifesting right here in America today. However, this one, in stark contrast to the violent jihads in the Islamic totalitarian world, manifests over here intentionally non-violently and by stealth and deception, via mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage. Thus, the way I see it, is it is very unlikely for ISIS to attempt to attack us over here in our homeland since it would put the already ongoing non-violent and stealth and deceptive jihad in likely jeopardy.

            Meanwhile, if something isn’t done to stop the non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad over here in the near term, pretty soon the Muslim immigrants will become numerous enough to become a very valuable voting block for the Dhimmicrat Party, and when that eventuality inevitably happens, reversing mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage because it is really non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad will become all but impossible. Then, of course, to keep them in their corner the Dhimmicrat Party will have to make greater and greater concessions, as the Muslims will inevitably become more and more demanding as their population increases like everywhere else. Indeed, I could even see the Dhimmicrats sacrificing Israel on the unholy altar of Islam to appease their Islamic voting block.

            Nevertheless, the ultimate strategic solution for our universal Islamic jihad problem is for the collective infidel world to unite to form a coalition to destroy Islam, whatever that takes.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            Islamic-nazis, just like the mafia, have invested heavily in legitimate businesses. For example, islamic petro-fascists own a stake in AMD and television broadcasting companies (even outside of Al Jiz).

          • doramin

            Nothing to fear there. Robert Baer (“Sleeping With The Enemy”) wrote about how easily Al Qaeda could have blown up the oil infrastructure of Saudi Arabia back in the oughties. They never did.

            We don’t have to care if the Saudi Sopranos get overthrown and strung up. No matter who is in charge of The Magic Kingdom they HAVE to sell their oil because that is the only thing they have of value.

            Furthermore, as Prof. Daniel Yergin has made clear (“The Prize”, “The Commanding Heights”), contrary to 1970′s belief the seller of oil cannot pick and choose who he sells to. Once the tanker has left port it can go anywhere and the cargo in it can be sold and resold a dozen time over on the high seas. If ISIS took over Arabia I rather doubt they would be able or inclined to fund the Saudis worldwide network of mosques, madrassas, and Wahabist imams. After bulldozing Mecca and executing every member of the Royal Family there would be no one left to run the network.

          • Texas Patriot

            I tend to agree that at this point the Saudis are probably regarded as little more than “useful idiots” by the Wahhabis, who would probably be very pleased to see them eliminated by Khalifa Ibrahim and the Islamic State. Otherwise, there’s plenty of oil in the world without buying one drop from the Middle East. If may be a gut-check for the West to get there, but we can do it sooner than most people realized. And for the forces of Islamic jihad, it will be much more than a gut-check if the world quits buying their oil.

          • doramin

            That’s how it has always been in the Saudi military. And the Egyptian military. Without our people, they could not maintain their toys.

        • ObamaYoMoma

          As I keep telling everyone, GHWB elected to fight on the wrong side in the Gulf War. Indeed, it didn’t make a damn bit of difference who we ended up buying the oil from in the end, since it was going to get sold in any event. Then GWB came along and finished his father’s job for him by removing the first apostate ruler, and a domino effect since then is currently in progress. Meanwhile, we got supposedly well informed writers misinforming their readers over here on a daily basis.

    • Una Salus

      Loyalty is no guarantee of either courage or tenacity. Both of which are essential and amount to competence in practical terms anyway.
      Islamic State has taken full advantage of this fact.
      Some people seem to be waking up rather late. You obviously seem to attribute this buffoonery to the Khalifa’s military genius. I wouldn’t be quite as generous.

      The Saudis could compensate to a degree if their army was overwhelmingly professional. Nepotism generally tends to undermine professionalism though.
      Therefore we can say in all probability the Saudi Army is in all likelihood doubly deficient.

      • Texas Patriot

        From my perspective, the military success of the Islamic State primarily attributable to the fact that Khalifa Ibrahim inspires fanatical devotion among his followers because of his personal knowledge and devotion to the teachings of Muhammad. That enables him to attract the most talented and dedicated jihadis from around the world, and the result is a very loyal and sophisticated fighting machine which represents a serious threat to every post-Sykes-Picot Western-style regime in the region, including most notably, Saudi Arabia.

        • pfbonney

          Very insightful, Texas Patriot.

          • Texas Patriot

            Thanks.

          • pfbonney

            “The truth of the matter is that we are facing an enemy skilled at weakening its targets from within and then taking over vast amounts of territory in a short period of time, and we will need to be ready on both fronts.”

            And with ample help from “The Fifth Column”, i.e., the Uber-Left.

      • Texas Patriot

        Una Salus: Some people seem to be waking up rather late. You obviously seem to attribute their buffoonery to the Khalifa’s military “genius”. I wouldn’t be quite as generous.

        From my perspective, Islam is somewhat of a sleeping giant until something wakes it up. Then it seems to have the capacity of becoming a raging inferno almost instantaneously. Khalifa Ibrahim’s genius, such as it is, seems to derive from a deep understanding of Muslim psychology which seems to crave, above all things, a return to the glory days of Muslim conquest and global domination. Once that fire is lit, it will be very hard to put it out, and as long as Khalifa Ibrahim is seen as the embodiment of those deep Islamic hopes and aspirations, he will no doubt be regarded with an almost superstitious awe by Muslims worldwide.

        • IslamDownpressesHumanity

          I’m sorry, but just because you haven’t noticed the non-stop atrocities committed by moslems practically since Mohammud rolled out of Medina doesn’t mean the rest of the world hasn’t. Genocides, persecution of the unbeliever, ethnic cleansing and mass murder have been the calling card of islam continuously, not sporadically.

      • doramin

        There’s the rub for them. Nepotism and professionalism are incompatible. You either have loyal idiots or competent officers who want to cut your throats. That’s why ol’ Saddam’s army was such a mess. He shot any officer who displayed too much talent or initiative or who got too popular.

  • De Doc

    I say let IS reach Mecca to devastate it, as they promised. Then watch in glee as these adherents to the Wahabi/Salafi variant of this ‘Religion of Peace’ savage each other.

    • gerry

      Let them have their fun and let us enjoy it from the sideline.

    • kikorikid

      De Doc has found De Way!

  • cheechakos

    The Saudis have played a dangerous game for decades believing their money and fake piety will protect them from the horrific beasts they’ve unleashed on the world. It would be poetic justice if their rabid pets turned on them.

    • Texas Patriot

      No doubt the Wahhabis knew it would come to this and will shed no tears when the Saudi royal family bites the dust.

  • rightrightright

    We don’t know how many millions of Saudi petrodollars our leaders in the West (and the mouth-part movers at the UN) have personally trousered. The preservation of this outflow into all those trousers will highly motivate the recipients towards the safe continuance of the corrupt and cruel Saudi regime.

    • IslamDownpressesHumanity

      Who knows how many leaders in the West are closet converts to the RoP?

    • doramin

      It’s no secret that the Saudis own the State Dept. “You take care of us now, we’ll take care of you later.” Serve them well as an “arabist” and you will retire in clover. Endowed chairs, lecture tours, corporate board positions, advisers, consultants…the list goes on.

  • Pete

    Arsonists desperately seeking firefighters.

    • pfbonney

      Good one, Pete.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    The paranoid Saudi Royal Family must fear they have been brandished apostate rulers and this message is obviously geared for clueless infidels, which is why the Saudis pretend that violent jihad is terrorism and ISIS jihadists are beyond extremists.

    The truth, however, is quite different, as the Saudis are primarily responsible for the resurgence of mainstream orthodox Islam throughout the world today and, indeed, are the biggest financiers of the stealth global jihad that is waged intentionally non-violently and by stealth and deception throughout the infidel world via mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage. Same old story, the Saudis are still playing a double game and they are very good at manipulating clueless infidels, especially American infidel politicians with last names that end in Carter, Clinton, and Bush.

    • pfbonney

      Not to mention “Obama”.

      And Obama also is funding the terrorists, through Egypt’s MB and the Syrian groups.

      • Conniption Fitz

        and through Turkey and Qatar.

        • pfbonney

          I figured there were others. And there are probably STILL more that we’ll never know about.

          Yet the Uber-Left is still crying about the funding that Reagan & Bush 41 gave to these guys. Yet THEN, at least, these guys (that Reagan/Bush supported) were “bedfellows” (as in, “Politics makes for strange bedfellows”).

          But this time, Obama knows full well the threat these groups present against the West, and he’s giving them money BECAUSE of this knowledge.

          Who is the American electorate going to next vote into the Oval Office? Pol Pot’s kin? Where does it end?

        • IslamDownpressesHumanity

          What about Iran? Bahrain?

      • ObamaYoMoma

        What terrorists? Terrorism isn’t an Islamic manifestation. All Muslims are waging a holy war, i.e., jihad, against all infidels in the cause of Allah to ultimately make Islam its followers supreme. Jihad, i.e., holy war, is far more substantial than just a few radicals and extremists here and there perpetrating terrorism. You sound very confused.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          “All Muslims are waging a holy war, i.e., jihad, against all infidels in
          the cause of Allah to ultimately make Islam its followers supreme””

          G-D FORBID!

          • ObamaYoMoma

            I didn’t know you were Jewish.

        • pfbonney

          I had already figured out that you were upset with me for using a third-party, objective dictionary definition of “terrorism” on another blog, as it interfered with your ability to bully me into believing your preferred definition that better suits your goals.

          One of the first casualties of a free country is speech. When you control what words mean, you begin to get control over your agenda.

          Try your crap on the weak-minded. You’re no expert on the topic. You wrtite like the average Joe, not like anyone learned.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Look dude…don’t humor yourself, I don’t know you from Adam, and after reading how ill-informed you are, I don’t think I would care to know you.

            Nevertheless, it couldn’t be more obvious, with the exception of the misinformation that you have garnered through reading the press, you don’t have the first clue about Islam or the threats it presents for the infidel world. You also don’t respect people that have forgotten far more about the subject at hand than you will ever come close to knowing. So get lost you flake, because you obviously are too dumb to realize how ignorant you are.

            Oh Okay, I finally remember you. You are that unhinged moron and Ron Paul kook that claimed that the Merriam Webster dictionary was the ultimate arbiter of all things having to do with terrorism. Damn…if I would have remembered who you are sooner, I never would have wasted my time responding to a flake like you to begin with. Indeed, you are a testament to the fact that some of the biggest ignoramuses on the Internet are Ron Paul kooks.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            Why did mohammud state he had been “made victorious through terror”? I don’t think any other religious figures have made statements like that, neither Joshua or Jesus (both of whom refer to the Hebrew name Yeshua I believe), nor Moses, nor Buddha.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            First of all, that is a translation from Arabic to English, so I don’t put a lot of stock in it, although some people point to that translation to claim that some aspects of jihad are terrorism, but it’s not because jihad is holy war, which is far more substantial a problem relative to mere terrorism.

            Second of all, why can’t terror be inflicted via violent jihad, which only employs “total warfare” tactics per the dictates of Sharia and primarily targets innocent civilian infidels because murdering innocent civilian infidels is the weak underbelly of Infidel society? Why is that so implausible? Indeed, analyst see the cold-blooded murder of innocent civilians and naively assume the perpetrators are terrorists, not taking the time to analyze Islamic totalitarian society to realize that per the dictates of Sharia, Muslims only employ “total warfare” tactics. Hence, barring any other options, Muslims must target and murder innocent civilian infidels in cold-blood per the dictates of Sharia.

            Not to mention as well, that terror is always perpetrated by radicals and extremists that only make up a tiny proportion of any society. Indeed, they believe terrorists to be radicals and extremists who have been radicalized through some sort of mysterious radicalization process and then join various terrorist groups who then perpetrate terrorism for various causes such as poverty and despair. Indeed. GWB undertook two fantasy based nation-building missions that both miserably failed to lift up Muslims out of poverty and despair and to democratize the Islamic totalitarian world to end scourge terrorism, not realizing that Muslims are not terrorists at all perpetrating terrorism because of poverty and despair or for any other reasons, but instead jihadists waging jihad, which is a holy war waged by ALL MUSLIMS, as opposed to only a tiny proportion of the society that constitutes radicals and extremists as in the case of terrorism, against ALL INFIDELS in the cause of Allah to ultimately make Islam and its followers supreme throughout the world. Indeed, that is the sole fundamental purpose of mainstream orthodox Islam, which is the only kind.

            In Islamic totalitarian society aIl Muslims on the planet or jihadists in some fashion or another, either of the violent variety, as in ISIS, AQ, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. that make up only a tiny proportion of the overall society, or of the non-violent variety, as in the millions of Muslims that have migrated to the infidel West, for instance, for the strategic purpose of waging intentionally non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad. Or otherwise they are not Muslims at all, but blasphemous apostates that per the dictates of Islam must be executed.

            Indeed, waging jihad in some fashion or another is a fundamental holy obligation incumbent upon all Muslims in the world, including the women and children, as waging jihad involves and consumes the entire society. Such as in America during WWII, the entire American society was involved in some fashion or another with the war effort, either by working in a factory to build bombs or otherwise by sacrificing in some way to aid the war effort, or otherwise by serving in the military. All Muslims in Islamic totalitarian society, because it is exceedingly totalitarian, likewise are jihadists in some fashion or another.

            Furthermore, the prevalence of non-violent jihad relative to violent jihad is astronomically far greater, yet because people have been conditioned to believe the only threat emanating from Islam is terrorism, for the most part non-violent jihad is almost always totally ignored and unopposed because of rampant misinformation due to false analogies of Islamic phenomena.

            Nevertheless, if you feel as many here do that violent jihadists must be labeled terrorists because the word jihad isn’t mean enough, then, by all means, call them terrorists and dupe yourself at the same time. I could care less.

          • pfbonney

            “I could care less.”

            “Couldn’t” care less, perhaps?

            You may actually be accurate here, since you’re always devoting so much time trying to get people to come to your way of thinking.

            You know, that WAS a pretty good post, up until your last paragraph. You were quite lucid, actually. And I WAS about to give you an up-arrow/like. But then you had to go and allow your ego to get into the way.

            You’re not going to get many converts while acting like that. People will oppose you based just on your attitude, regardless of any merits of your argument.

          • pfbonney

            “…with the exception of the misinformation that you have garnered through reading the press, you don’t have the first clue about Islam or the threats it presents for the infidel world.”

            Actually, I know EXACTLY what they are up to. As I’ve said before, I used to prepare and present briefs on such things while in the Guard. I’m still not saying that you don’t know more than I – I don’t know YOU (or much care to, from what I’ve seen here), but I most definitely DO know that much. I’ve been interested in geopolitics since I was still a teen in the ’70s.

            “You also don’t respect people that have forgotten far more about the subject at hand than you will ever come close to knowing.”

            How do you know what I know or don’t know, based on only a few blog posts? I have shown you MUCH, MUCH more respect than you have shown me. I’m aware that you may not see it that way because you have such a thin skin, as I’ve mentioned before. a couple of times. I’m guessing that you’re an only child.

            “So get lost you flake, because you obviously are too dumb to realize how ignorant you are.”

            Case in point.

            “You are that unhinged…”

            UNHINGED: “upset, unglued; especially : mentally deranged ” -Merriam-Webster.com

            Your statement doesn’t pass the “reasonable man” test. If a reasonable man were to click on my Disqus avatar and review my posts, he would not find any evidence of me being unhinged. He would find, I’m sure, that I’m quite composed.

            Now, in your case, on the other hand, I’m sure he’d find that YOU show tendencies toward being unhinged, in view of how easily you fly off the handle when someone disagrees with any part of what you say.

            In fact, you act as Obama does under similar circumstances.

            “moron”

            You have yet to show that.

            “Ron Paul”

            I let this comment slide last time as I wouldn’t expect anyone not from his district to know this: There’s a big difference – a chasm – between people who were his constituents and the people who supported him for president.

            Most of the charismatically-challenged people that followed him were “Birchers”, i.e., members of the John Birch Society (JBS). For some reason, people who join and remain with the JBS display that trait. I did actually become a “home-member” (i.e., wasn’t affiliated with any particular group of them), but I never liked their superciliousness – such as you display.

            And, I actually agreed with you when you expressed contempt (as you do for about everything that you don’t espouse, yourself) for him blaming America for 9/11. I vehemently disagree with that myself. Although someone did tell me, after Ron Paul dropped out of the presidential race, that all he was really saying that, had we, as a country, been more isolationist and not put troops in the Middle East, they would not have attacked us. He didn’t mean to gloat that we deserved what we got.

            But if he couldn’t be more lucid in explaining his positions than that, then I believed that he wasn’t yet ready for prime time. But, I did love him as a small-government US Representative who never was a hypocrite. Paul lost my support for him becoming a president when he made that statement.

            “…claimed that the Merriam Webster dictionary was the ultimate arbiter of all things having to do with terrorism.”

            Give me a cut-and-paste of where I said that.

            More to the point, you are presenting YOURSELF as the being/giving the last word on terrorism. I would say that you are full of yourself. Like an only child. Like Obama. And one who, while never presenting yourself as scholarly, looks down your nose at an institution who I’ve seen acknowledges as a leader even in the media, decades back. And journalists, whatever unprofessionalism they may display w/r to bias, are actually learned. Even THEY are unafraid to refer to an unbiased third-party. Unlike yourself.

            But one trick the MSM, and the other totalitarians, do is try to take command of definitions AWAY from the dictionaries and try to get people to believe the definition is what THEY say it is. “Racism” is one of the more obvious ones.

            And you’re trying to do what THEY are doing. But I haven’t let you yet. Again, thy that on some weak-minded person, who would be more your speed.

            But I’m pleased that I was able to lure you into wasting your valuable time with me, instead of freeing you up to bully some other poor hapless soul.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        Oh and by the way, I was responding only as it pertains to the Saudis, because the Saudis happen to be the topic of this conversation.

        • pfbonney

          What difference does THAT make?

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Isn’t that already apparent?

          • pfbonney

            As I keep telling you, your writing is not lucid. Your factoid makes no difference, that I can see, to your argument. Had it been apparent, I wouldn’t have asked.

            Are you really that clueless?

          • ObamaYoMoma

            As I keep telling you, your writing is not lucid.

            Just out of curiosity, have you ever read your own pathetic writing?

            As usual my response to your stupidity sailed right over your head. So let me spell it out for you. This thread is about the Saudi Royal family trying to manipulate the infidel world into fighting another jihad in their behalf. In this particular case against ISIS, as after watching what happened in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, and Syria recently, you have to know that the Saudi Royal family can’t be feeling too comfortable right now, especially sitting on all that extremely tempting oil.

            As you know the new Caliph must be contemplating taking all that oil for himself and his new Caliphate, which would exponentially become far larger with the addition of the Arabian Peninsula. Not to mention, that since ISIS is super close to what real Islam looks like with all the veneer removed, the Saudi Royal Family has to be extremely concerned that the Saudi military would do just as the Iraqi military did, which is refuse to fight their Sunni brothers in arms, and instead join them.

            In other words, this thread was never about Obama or the Muslim Brotherhood. Not to mention that terrorism isn’t even an Islamic manifestation to begin with, in any event. So learn to stick to the topic at hand when posting, and maybe you won’t rub people the wrong way with your exceedingly partisan and idiotic responses.

          • pfbonney

            Much, much better. Now THAT is good!

            I don’t expect you to have to always stay up half the night formulating a post for me, but now I can see that once you quit being so vague and ambiguous, and fill in the details as you have here, you actually have something of value to contribute to the conversation.

            The only problem is, my comment, “As I keep telling you, your writing is not lucid.” was directed at your post, which reads, “Oh and by the way, I was responding only as it pertains to the Saudis, because the Saudis happen to be the topic of this conversation.”, not at your original post, which is satisfactory as written. In fact, I largely agree with it.

            Apparently, your reading comprehension ability, or at least, your ability to navigate posts, is suspect as well.

  • Pete

    Will the party, which recruited the astro-turf OWS, take heed of this lesson or will Julia and others torch Marthas Vinyard and the Hamptons?

  • Atikva

    King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia is not the only one to be concerned, king Abdullah II of Jordan already showed concern some time ago about too much savagery on the part of the jihadis, apparently fearing that it would bring the West to its senses. Naturally, his warning was ignored by “allah’s troops” and ISIS in particular.

    It seems these muslim leaders who facilitated the rise of “militant islam” one way or another are starting to realize that they have played sorcerer’s apprentices. They haven’t seen anything yet.

    • pfbonney

      “They haven’t seen anything yet.”

      Unfortunately. And, neither have we, it looks.

      • Atikva

        Right. We are reaping what we have sown.

        • pfbonney

          And you sound pleased with this.

          • Atikva

            Yeah, so pleased that for the past 5 years only I have written about 600 pages of comments against the destruction of our Judeo-Christian civilization, and God knows how many more in the same vein since 2003.

          • pfbonney

            You could quit being so cryptic in your posts. According to your original post, I could place you, easily, with either the uber-Left or the Libertarian/isolationist group, the John Birch Society.

          • Atikva

            Place me wherever you wish, I don’t care, I am allergic to labels.

          • pfbonney

            That’s good. But you probably should have said, “immune to labels”.

            But that’s fine. I take your meaning.

          • Atikva

            Thank you.

    • Pete

      There was a demonstration in Ma’an, Jordan where 3,000 to 5,000 local Bedouins showed support for ISIS.

      IMO these are not some small local cells of people like Zarqawi (a Jordanian) hiding from the police. It was out in the open. I have an acquaintance who went to Jordan in the last 2 years. They said it seemed like there was an armored car on every street corner. That is not an exact quote but it is close.

      shadow.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/07/02/no_time_to_study_options_for_jordan

      MUST READ: Next Goal for ISIS – Jordan. And Then?

      Israel is going to face a tough choice if and when ISIS tries to take over Jordan. And the countdown has begun.

      http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/15232

      • Texas Patriot

        Israel needs to break out of it’s Cold War paralysis and get into a Hot War shooting mode. The only viable survival strategy for Israel going forward is to respond to any and all Islamic aggression with overwhelming force, followed by conquest, confiscation, and forced expulsion of all jihadists in the conquered territories.

        Let’s face it. At this point, the handwriting is on the wall. Either Israel finds a way to grow up and become a dominant Jewish State, or it will inevitably fall to the newly-minted and highly-aggressive Islamic State.

        The biggest threat to Israel is from those elements within its own leadership that regards recent developments as business as usual.

        • IslamDownpressesHumanity

          What about the large islamic 5th column within Israel? I believe some 20% of Israel’s population is islamic.

    • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

      Jordan is on Israeli and American life support. Always has been.

      • Pete

        Can you detail the ways?

        • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

          Jordan was a UK client. Then it became a US client. Covertly Israel prevented other Arab countries from overthrowing the kingdom. That and some Saudi support, ironic for a Hashemite, is why he’s the last of the Brit kings.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            I read in Chaim Herzog’s The Arab Israeli Wars that King Hussein of Jordan was the grandson of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. However, I can’t find any evidence aside from this book that this is true. Was King Hussein the grandson of the Grand Mufti?

          • doramin

            I think you got your wires crossed. King Hussein was the grandson of Hussain the Sharif of Mecca who was kicked out when Abdul-Aziz ibn Saud established the Saudi Kingdom. The Brits drew some lines on the map, gave one of his sons Iraq, one of his sons Jordan and one, Syria (that last didn’t last long).

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            I’m assuming King Hussein had two grandfathers, although in the islamic world who knows?

      • Atikva

        Sure, but the dynasty that Britain put at the head of the Eastern “Palestinians” (now Jordanians) knows that it can’t afford not to show a modicum of support for the jihadis. These rulers seem to be less obtuse than the Saudi dynasty, but they have been from the start placed between a rock and a hard place.

      • De Doc

        Jordan will fold like a cheap card table if and when IS brings its forces to bear on it. I’m sure many IS fighters are Jordanians anyway and would find ample support from their own countrymen.

        • Pete

          ISIS sent a small column to Syria. It was destroyed.

          I am not sure what is was. Stupid? Opportunistic? Giddy? A Test?

          I don’t doubt that ISIS can make a lot of problems for Jordan and has a good chance of toppling the King. But so far the Kingdom has stood up to 1 or 2 pushes.

          Jordanian Air Force Destroys ‘Syrian Rebels’ Convoy on Border

          http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/jordanian-air-forces-destroy-syrian-rebels-convoy-attempting-cross-border-1445113

          • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

            The air force isn’t the weak point. The ground troops are. If there are no boots holding the ground, then a sizable push will do to Jordan what it did to Syria and Iraq.

          • Pete

            If the column had go to a built up area and the jihadis had dismounted, the air force would not have been near as effective. The Jordanian army did fight ISIS at the Jordanian Iraqi checkpoint, not sure what the scale of that was. still have not trust in the loyalty of the army or its’ effectiveness.

            At one time the army was love enough to defeat black September, but that was around 40 years ago.

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            Is ISIS winning in the former Syria? Has Iran given up on supporting Assad?

        • pfbonney

          Yasser Arafat and his “Palestinians” (almost sounds like a name for a Middle East rock band) almost managed to overthrow Jordan’s King Hussein, decades back, prompting the King to throw them out of the country (fled to Libya, if I remember correctly).

          Perhaps the Palestinians will get their own country after all. Not that 1) the Palestinians are going to get to enjoy their new country with the ISIS/IS leadership in power (better be careful what they wish for), or 2) there will THEN be peace in the Middle East, despite that being the stated reason for all the violence over there, according to both the Jihadists and the American Uber-Left.

          Back to “The issue is never the issue”, again.

          This will call their bluff, and, perhaps, open a few more people’s eyes. A patch of silver lining in that big, black cloud over there.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE_MpQhgtQ8

          • pfbonney

            Priceless. I’ve never seen the video. If any of these people are still alive, they probably have a fatwa out against them.

            This ranks right up there with the “Surfin Bird” by the Trashmen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gc4QTqslN4 .

            Thanks for sharing!

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            Wooly Bully! I like that sax.

          • Atikva

            Darn it, they already have “their” country, east of the Jordan, precisely!

          • Texas Patriot

            You’re missing the point. They want the whole world.

          • Atikva

            Tough luck, because they won’t get it.

          • Texas Patriot

            That doesn’t mean they won’t try, and that’s what we need to be prepared for.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM
      • IslamDownpressesHumanity

        Does Israel support Jordan out of fear of what the alternative would be? Because Jordan hasn’t been anything like an ally to Israel. It’s hilarious how Nasser and the elder Assad played King Hussein as the fool in the ’67′ war.

    • IslamDownpressesHumanity

      Jordan has always had a hard time of it. They used to support the PLO and provided bases for the PLO from which to launch fedayeen/terrorist raids against Israel, but when Israel went after these PLO bases (on Jordanian soil), the PLO tried to take refuge in Jordanian cities, among civilians and eventually even tried to oust King Hussein and take over Jordan.

    • Texas Patriot

      If King Abdullah is not seen as the legitimate leader of the worldwide Islamic Caliphate, he and his entire family are at immediate risk of being led into the desert and executed by their own soldiers, and he knows it.

      • Atikva

        Somehow, that perspective doesn’t make me cry.

        • Texas Patriot

          It’s not supposed to. But what we all need to be prepared for is the very real prospect that the Saudi oilfields will fall into the hands of the Islamic State.

  • pfbonney

    “…you can see why the paymaster of the Jihad is a little bit worried.”

    Maybe it’s time to invest in Light Sweet Crude, and cash in after the Jihadis close in on Mecca.

    But seriously, it is frustrating that the West, plus Japan (and probably China) have to rely on Saudi Arabia for oil, and we (the US) fund Venezuela’s BS through Citgo.

    I can’t help but wonder if part of the reason Obama has shut down as much drilling and exploration out in the Gulf is to try to keep the West funding the totalatarians for as long as possible.

    He SAYS it’s to protect the environment, but then he does his part to keep immigrants flooding on into the US, which is helping to destroy our environment by contributing to urban sprawl. (The left never has said what population or immigration level is enough for the United States to sustain the environment – they just keep urging us to allow still more immigrants into the US – yet they still expect the rest of us to do our part to protect the environment.)

    Now my big worry is, if the electorate is dumb enough to electorate TWICE, how can we be sure that they won’t elect some other nincompoop, (R) or (D)? Since Carter and Obama, my eyes have been opened enough to realize that there can always be someone even worse in the White House. I’m taking NOTHING for granted.

    I’ve already broken out my debit card in preparation to purchase David Horowitz’s “Take no Prisoners”.

    • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

      That’s exactly it

      • doramin

        Sounds about right. I no longer doubt that Obama is a Red Diaper
        Baby, trained from childhood to hate Amerikka and want to take it down. I know, because that’s how I was raised.

        The problem with the choice of nincompoop candidates is that we know what to expect from the Dems, unfortunately, we also know what to expect from the Republican Establishment and their “consultant class.” It’s far more comfortable being her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition than to have to take responsibility for being in charge.

    • Atikva

      “I can’t help but wonder if part of the reason Obama has shut down as much drilling and exploration as he can, out in the Gulf, is to try to keep the West funding the totalitarians for as long as possible.”

      Bingo! If we exploited our new sources of energy and new techniques (e.g. fracking) as we should, we would be energy-self sufficient. For the first time last year, we have produced over 50% of our own needs, which is still far from the mark, but a step in the right direction nevertheless.

  • Hard Little Machine

    Saudi Arabia is the personal property of the 5000 princes and their immediate families. Push comes to shove they load up the 777′s and fly off to somewhere else. Why do you think so much of the money is invested outside of Saudi Arabia?

    • Pete

      Nationalize their holdings and many countries have a good start on paying down debt.

      Planes do not have to be given permission to land.

      • IslamIsTyranny

        Planes can be shot down — accidentally.

  • 12banjo

    Hey, Faud, you turned your wahabists loose on us on 9/11…but if ISIS martyrs *you* –think of all those virgins and ghilman–

    • Pete

      Do we know if Saudi intelligence agency knew about 911 or plotted it?

      One Saudi Intel Head was blown up by a suicide bomber.

      We do know that Saudi Arabia was instrumental in filling the swamp both of water and denizens. They set the table.

      • 12banjo

        The wahabists probably support an academic chair at a university near you–supported by Saudi money. This lets them fry the children’s brains with “Islam is nice when it murders” kind of thinking.

        Check out your nearest college and see if they are active there.

        The royal family thinks it’s buying protection, but the wahabists will eventually get around to planting Fauds in the Sod.

  • Gee

    Can’t wait until the terrorists turn on Qatar. The Arabs have funded terrorism for decades and now they get to experience it first hand

    • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

      They’re already threatening them.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      The Qatari lifestyle is decadent and a target of pious ISIS.

  • Conniption Fitz

    Saudi ‘royalty’ have a very bad reputation around the world when its various princes, princesses and diplomats travel, scandalizing even Westerners with their cruelty to employees, sexual deviance, moral decadence and obscene spending.
    Then there is fact that most of the terrorists involved in 9/11/01 were Saudis.
    It is very likely that there were Saudis behind the Boston Marathon Bombing (which took a bit of cleaning up by the Obama FBI). Saudi Arabia, along with Iran and Pakistan, are the leaders in sponsoring terrorism.

    Therefore, I am not sympathetic to Abdullah’s fear of being toppled, trampled or worse.

    • De Doc

      I’ll lose no sleep or shed no tears should King Abdullah be hung in the city square of Riyadh.

      • pfbonney

        I know what you’re saying, and can sympathize with that sentiment. But look what happened in Iran after the Shah fell. As much revenue as Iran has to foment terrorism, the “House of ISIS/IS”, successor to the House of Saud, will then have still more.

        • http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel Greenfield

          Except it opens the door to the US finally treating Saudi Arabia as the open enemy that it is.

          • pfbonney

            I suppose that’s true.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM
          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            Here, here, finally someone tells the truth about the islamic-fascists that run Soddy Barbaria.

  • Lea

    Saudi Arabia has just purchased $9 billion worth of military equiptment from America. I am sure that it can sort out the problem that it is mostly responsible for creating and should be forced to do so, along with the OIC which represent the 57 Islamic countries around the world at the UN. After all, this would be in defense of the reputation of Islam, since so many muslims deny that ISIS is Islamic. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/23/opinion/isis-atrocities-started-with-saudi-support-for-salafi-hate.html?_r=1

    • IslamDownpressesHumanity

      I remember when the USA used to be the arsenal of democracy, not the arsenal of islamic-fascist, totalitarian theocracies.

  • Matthew Johnston

    Nah but they cross the Yemeni border often and fight Iranian backed Shia militia and al-Qaida. So they have some skin in the game.

  • IslamDownpressesHumanity

    At this point maybe it would be best if the islamic world did uncork the nuclear djinn — otherwise they’ll win the battle of a thousand cuts.

  • alenworn

    you better hope that KSA remains stable unless you want to see $200/bbl oil. remember its ALWAYS about oil, terrorism is just side show