Syria Is What Happens When Islam Wins

jihadSaudi Arabia and Qatar aren’t talking to each other. Syria and Turkey are shooting at each other. Not only are the Shiites and Sunnis killing each other in Syria, but the Sunni groups have been killing each other for some time now. There are even two or three Al Qaedas fighting each other over which of them is the real Al Qaeda.

There’s something about Syria that splits down everything and everyone. Even Hamas had to split between its political and military wings when choosing between Iran’s weapons and Qatar’s money. Doing the logical thing, the military wing took the weapons and the political wing took the money so that the military wing of Hamas supported Assad and its political wing supported the Sunni opposition.

It’s not however money and weapons that splits Muslims over Syria. Money and weapons are only the symbols. What they represent is Islam. And what Islam represents is the intersection between identity and power.

A modern state derives its power from its identity. The Japanese and the Russians were willing to die in large numbers for their homeland during WW2. Both countries had undergone rapid de-feudalization turning peasants into citizens. Japan and Russia however had historic identities to draw on. The rapid de-feudalization in the Arab world had messier results because countries such as Jordan and Syria were Frankenstein’s monsters made out of bits and pieces of assembled parts of history stuck together with crazy glue.

The Middle East is full of flags, but most are minor variations on the same red, green, black and white theme. The difference between the Palestinian flag and the Jordanian flag is a tiny asterisk on the chevron representing the unity of the Arab peoples. The Iraqi flag was originally the same as the Jordanian and Palestinian flags. So are most of the flags in the region which are based on the Arab Revolt flag which was in turn based on the colors of the Caliphates.

Every time you see the Al Qaeda “black flag” of Jihad, it’s already represented in the black stripes on the flags of every Arab nation. What Al Qaeda has done is strip out the other colors representing the various succeeding caliphates and gone back all the way to the black of Mohammed’s war flag.

What is Syria? The civil war answered that question. Like the USSR, it’s a prison of nations. It exists only by virtue of men pointing guns at other men. As long as all the men with the guns agreed on what Syria was, the country existed. Once they no longer did, there was no longer a Syria. The same is true of much of the Middle East.

There are questions that you can resolve with democracy within a functioning country, but when your country has less of an existence than the conflicting religious and ethnic identities of its people, democracy only makes the problem worse. Democracy in Iraq means Shiites voting to be Shiite, Sunnis voting to be Sunni and Kurds voting to be Kurds. Democracy in Syria would mean the same thing. And that way lies a federation and then secession and civil war all over again.

The problem in the Middle East isn’t a lack of democracy. It’s the lack of anything to be democratic about.

Everyone in the Middle East (who isn’t a Jew, Christian, Kurd, Bahai, Zoroastrian, Armenian, Circassian, Druze, etc.. ) agrees on the importance of Arab and Islamic unity and that their specific flavor of it, their clan, their tribe and their Islamic interpretation should be supreme.

It’s not surprising that the Middle East is constantly at war. It’s only a wonder that the fighting ever stops.

Arab nationalism is the ideology that Arab elites used to complete the de-feudalization of their population from peasants into citizens. But what worked in Japan and Russia fell flat in the Middle East where tribe and religion are still supreme. The peasants didn’t become Egyptians or Syrians. They remained Ougaidat or Tarabin. After that, they were Muslim. Their national identity came a distant third.

What the Arab Spring truly showed is how little national identity mattered as democracy and the fall of governments demonstrated that there was no national consensus, only the narrower one of class, tribe and institution. It’s not something that Americans should be too smug about. The left’s efforts are reducing the United States to the same balkanized state in which there is a black vote and a white vote, a rich vote and a poor vote, but no national identity that transcends them. We too are becoming ‘Sunnis’ and ’Shiites’. It’s no wonder that Islam finds the post-American United States and the disintegrating territories of the European Union fertile ground for its work.

It’s the same reason why Islam is rising in the Middle East.

Islam rose out of the death of the Roman Empire. It’s rising now out of the death of the West, but it would be a mistake to call that a clash of civilizations when it’s civilization succumbing to barbarism.

Hasan al-Banna, the Muslim Brotherhood’s founder, wrote, “Our task is to stand against the flood of modernist civilization.” Syria is the desert that remains when the flood of civilization has passed.

Islam can’t unite Syria. It can’t even unite Sunni Islamists. It can’t even unite those Salafis who identify with Al Qaeda.

It can’t unite, because Islam is a disruptive force that achieves its unity through violence. It’s a supremacist ideology whose final solution is always the sword. Mohammed won his debates by killing his enemies. A rising Islam is forcing Christians out of the Middle East while obsessively hurling its force against the Jewish State. But it doesn’t end there. A religion that can’t co-exist with other religions… also can’t co-exist with itself.

How do Muslims settle religious arguments with each other? The same way they settle them with Jews and Christians. That is what we are seeing in Syria.

At its barest minimum, civilization is co-existence. Islam is the opposite of co-existence and of civilization. Its sheer age only means that there is even more in its past to fight over.

Islam is the conscious abandonment of civilization and co-existence for the nomadic life of the Jihadi who drifts from place to place, his weapons on his back, destroying cities and farms, taking anything and anyone he likes, and moving on to the next fight and the next burning city.

The Jihadist is at war with civilization, with the city, the family and the settled way of existence. He is a nomadic raider rolling back time to pre-history. He is the savage warrior of the savage past.

Syria is what happens when Islam wins. When Islam wins, civilization loses.

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  • Bamaguje

    How I wish there are more Syrias in the Islamic world, so that Muslims can finish themselves off… leaving we non-Muslims in peace. It would be good riddance to very bad rubbish!!

    • Gee

      Unfortunately there are still some non-Muslim minorities among them. Even if they hate us with the same ferocity as their Muslim masters doesn’t mean they deserve what happens to all minorities under Islamofascism

    • hiernonymous

      “…leaving we non-Muslims in peace.”

      So if we just got rid of Islam, we’d be peaceful?

      • Jake

        If there were no Muslims, there would be many fewer wars upon the face of the earth.
        Do you see Europe fighting the U.S. after WWII in a Muslims free world? How about the U.S. versus Brasil?

        • hiernonymous

          Given the amount of violence and number of wars that occur without the help of Muslims, it seems a bit rich to single them out. Want to blame years of violence in Colombia on Muhammad? Did the Qur’an call for the Contras? Was Jonas Savimbi a Mullah? Did the Serbs attack Croatia for Allah?

          Oh, and today is the 20th anniversary of the Rwandan genocide. All those Christians wouldn’t have slashed each other to death if it weren’t for the Muslims…somehow. Right?

          • Drakken

            The Serbs were right and the arabs and lefts played us.

          • hiernonymous

            “The Serbs were right”

            On what principle? That Croatia was meant to be part of Greater Serbia?

          • Drakken

            The Croats and the Serbs agreed to split the spoils, but our ignorant prez Clinton got himself involved. It looks like they are gearing up for round 2.

          • hiernonymous

            So the sieges of Vukovar and Dubrovnik involved the Serbs and Croats splitting spoils? (And the president was G.H.W. Bush.)

      • Bamaguje

        Yeah, the world would be way more peaceful.
        In case you haven’t noticed, Islam is the number one cause of conflict around the world today – Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Thailand, Phillipines, Russia, Israel, Nigeria, Somalia, Central African republic, India, Iran, U.S. Western Europe etc.

  • DogmaelJones1

    Islam says there will be “peace” in the world once every nation has succumbed to Islam. “Islam is a religion of peace.” What a laugh. If Syria is an example of the kind of “peace” we should expect, then it will be internecine warfare between all the tribes and factions in the ruins of civilization, in a replay of what happened to Europe when Rome finally collapsed.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Peace of the dead and enslaved

      • CaoMoo

        something like the last two people alive are muslims. One shoots the other for being not his kind of Islam. The only thing left unraided to eat are pigs. Forced by hunger he begins to eat pork. Then he remembers you are what you eat and worries he is now a jew since jews are descendants pigs and apes. He shoots himself in the head yelling Allahu Ackbar! and the pax Islamica is complete.

    • Fred Baehr

      Islam is a religion of peace and Islam means “submission”. So it is so simple: we shall have peace when we submit, And not before.

    • The March Hare

      Mad Max.

  • johnlac

    Islam is a religion that attracts the stupidest and most violent males of the world. Kill as many infidels as you want and rape and oppress all the females…that is what Islam promises to stupid males.

    • Rosasolis

      Johnlac, now is the time for all you guys to get together and at last
      accept and acknowledge the fact that men and women in Western World,
      must respect each other and work together… if our Western Civilization
      is to have a future.! Are you also supporting Sarah Palin, who shows great
      talent and sees the way to help you restore your normal way of living.
      I am writing from Europe (Netherlands), and I have never been so worried
      about the Islamic growth along with the Jihad, until recently. The problems
      are increasing daily!
      We need more than ever stong leaders….men or women.
      SARAH PALIN should be your next candidate. She will never
      betray you.

  • Hass

    And this is why Islam will never dominate the world.

    Islam can’t even trust itself let alone anyone else.

    • truebearing

      Islam can dominate the world by creating conflict everywhere. Remember, they want war and bloodshed. They live to kill and destroy. One could say that starting wars is their penultimate goal, with world domination being the ultimate goal, but once they succeed in creating universal conflict, they have essentially achieved their ultimate goal. A religion of death thrives on conflict and widespread conflict forces everyone down to their primitive, violent level. You have the choice to submit or fight. There is no hope for the continuance of a civilized society until Islam is destroyed, but that will require unity, which is the first thing they will try to destroy. The Left has already done that for them.

      The construction of a building takes much longer and requires far more money and skill than tearing one down. The same goes for civilized societies. Once Muslims get a population large enough to create chaos , the nihilistic evil of Islam begins winning. Civilization can be regressed to tribal chaos in relatively short order.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Like the Workers Paradise can’t trust anyone not named “Castro” to rule the dictatorship.

    • The March Hare

      Islam won’t win and dominate the world by garnering support from everyone. Islam will dominate the world by crushing every bit of opposition and the left is helping, although, they don’t think it includes them.

  • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

    One of Greenfield’s best: ”The problem in the Middle East isn’t a lack of democracy. It’s the lack of anything to be democratic about.”

    There’s a few more gems in there with the grand summation worth repeating for those who skipped the article:

    ”Islam is the conscious abandonment of civilization and co-existence for the nomadic life of the Jihadi who drifts from place to place, his weapons on his back, destroying cities and farms, taking anything and anyone he likes … The Jihadist is at war with civilization, with the city, the family and the settled way of existence. He is a nomadic raider rolling back time to pre-history. He is the savage warrior of the savage past.”

    It’s worth savoring. There’s more historical and anthropological wisdom in that summation than anything I’ve read by recent authors.

    Notice how Western academics who created and teach a fantasy about Islam have been relatively silent. They blamed the USA for the civil war in Iraq but we’ve never occupied Syria. It’s pure Islam naked for all to see.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      They’ll find a convoluted way to blame it on America. The frustrating thing for them is that America isn’t doing anything.

      Bu then the narrative will be that America let genocide happen.

      • Conservative not Republican

        Daniel, if the rich were financing genocide, you’d claim that was “creating jobs” for the actual killers. Btw, did you get that waiter job this weekend for the Upper West Side’s “We Love Obama” bash? I hope you get lots of tips.

        • Wolfthatknowsall

          How long have you been reading the articles, at this website? It’s obvious that you don’t know anything about the intellect or writing style of Mr. Greenfield.

          Why the attack on one of the most prolific and astute champions of conservatism on the web?

        • Daniel Greenfield

          Well done liberal troll, well done.

          • hiernonymous

            No worries. His comment disappeared. That’s happening quite a bit recently.

          • Nabukuduriuzhur

            Trolls do serve one useful purpose— they cause the rest of us to explain WHY the trolls are wrong. This is often an elaborate retelling of history and facts that not everyone knows and is thus useful as instruction.

        • liberalism is a mental illness

          Leftard. All you can do is slander a very well written article that is based on fact and observation. Do you want to live in a place like Syria?? Keep it up leftard and that’s what you’ll get.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          MORON Paulbot.

      • Drakken

        If we were really smart, we would be encouraging the Kurds to go forth and form their own region, it would be a wonderful pain in the backside to the arabs and turks..

      • 2BlackCoffee71

        The USA has been supporting Syria’s Al-Qaeda (or should I say Al-CIA-DA?) rebels with money and weapons.

        • kikorikid

          OH, Back to Benghazi again.

          • truebearing

            We never abandoned it, or the four Americans who remain unavenged.

          • kikorikid

            Nor have I abandoned them.
            Our President and Secretary of State
            DID abandon them and I’m still pissed
            and always will be.
            MOLON LABE !

          • truebearing

            Salute!

    • liamjq

      IT IS the USA’s fault Saddam knew exactly the kind of people and society he was dealing with and the ONLY way to keep it in check. A pack of know-it-all blundering morons charged in and destroyed the place ….for ever…..with the availability of today’s modern weapons all the kings horses wont put it back together

      • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

        Saddam didn’t rule Syria! We never occupied Syria. The Islamic civil war is driven by Islam, not Bush.

        • liamjq

          I was replying to the sentence “they blamed the US for the civil war in Iraq” I said nothing about syria…like it or not minorities existed under Saddam

          • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

            Ask the Kurds about that.

          • liamjq

            Thats the whole idea of a dictator….if you want to challenge the state you take the consequences…burton called the arab political system “despotism tempered by assassination”

          • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

            Saddam led the Sunni-faction in the Sunni-Shiite war with Iran. Millions were killed. When Iraq’s resources were depleted it sought to absorb Kuwait to replenish its economic might. After the Kuwait war, Saddam slaughtered Shiites in southern Iraq.

            Saddam was perpetually at war with his own people and other ethnic/religious factions. Dictatorships are perpetual war and oppression. Their removal, however, merely brings the next stage of the war and new oppressor. It’s the culture that’s the problem.

          • liamjq

            Saddam was a victim in all this too you know…born into a cruel world where he had to fight to survive with people who just couldn’t get along hahaha can I get my psychotherapy degree now?..

          • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

            Degree granted!

            But that’s the problem in dysfunctional societies: yesterday’s victim become tomorrow’s oppressor. Many Americans make the mistake of thinking that if someone is fighting an oppressor they are fighting for freedom. Nah, they are fighting to be the new oppressor.

          • liamjq

            I agree with everything you say and don’t wish to appear flippant but don’t be too quick ot shed a tear for the kurds they had a leading role in the Armenian genocide and related pogroms surrounding it..participated with gusto…they would be but crocodile tears (in my case at least)….what goes around comes around is rightfully a very old expression…..its the bovine consumers in the modern West whose historical memory stretches back no farther than the last celebratory game show that I feel sorry for ..with the devils that fools are unleashing amongst them

        • The March Hare

          “Bush’s mistake was thinking that they would use freedom to act civilized.”
          You are so right. You have to be civilized in order for freedom to cause you to act civilized.

  • pennant8

    An interesting observation about the color black in all the flags of Islamic countries. I guess you could say that the black flag of Mohammed was the original pirate flag.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      it was

    • The March Hare

      They were the Barbary pirates.

  • 1Indioviejo1

    Daniel, just by observation alone one must agree with your assesment of tribal societies incapable of breaking these bonds cemented by a demented religion. My question would be for the Dhimmis such as Bernard Lewis, and the craven politicians who refuse to recognize Islam for what it is: a criminal totalitarian cult. Once we start from there, then we will be able to deal with the existential threat. Don’t you think so?

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Once you break through the insistence that Islam is like every other religion…

      • kikorikid

        I think, and hope, the narrative is moving beyond
        this and more people see Islam as a “Totalitarian-
        Supremacist Ideology”. As long as Islam can
        claim the veneer/facad of “Religion” Islam will
        advance under the umbra of our 1st Amendment.

  • 2wotvet

    Islam ‘won’ in the Middle East centuries before the Arab Spring started. There are countless remote regions beyond the control of the secular military dictators where the ‘savage jihadi raiders’ could have been killing each other, Christians and Jews to extinction. And yet, somehow, despite the overwhelming evidence that Islam is the opposite of civilization, it never happened, and for every Muslim fighting in Syria today (most of whom aren’t even Middle Eastern, but confused European teenagers) there are a dozen who lament the violence and remember not only when Sunnis and Shias were friends, but when Muslims, Jews and Christians were friends.

    • 1Indioviejo1

      I believe you are engaging in Taqqiyah. The Koran tells Muslims never to befriend Christian, Jews or unbelievers. In Muslim lands we can only survive as Dhimmis, in eternal fear of the next massacre. 656 A.D. the first Muslim civil war between Shiia and Sunnis broke out and they have never stopped fighting each other. Please know before you post.

    • Drakken

      There was never a time that Christians and Jews were ever friends with muslims and your so full of sh*t your eyes are floating. When the time comes every bloody raghead in Europe will be running for their lives and muslims like you who support and defend them here will face your day of judgment as well.

  • Texas Patriot

    The problem with the ideology of violent Islamic jihad is that once it starts, it never stops and it consumes everyone who adopts it, and Syria is the perfect example of where it all leads.

  • retired22

    Daniel,I read you article & would like to add a few points.
    1) Your article reads like something written by Leon Uris,which is a complement.
    2) there was a book written 25 or 30 years back by the title of “Tribes with Flags”. In it was the claim that Egypt was the only real Arab nation-state with a real history.
    3)I disagree with what you say the future will bring in the Mid-East.As you say,these Muslim societies are Chaotic & heading into anarchy.They will end up as failed states,from Gibraltar to Pakistan(with perhaps the exception of some of the oil producers). For one thing,they are overpopulated.Egypt is an example.When king Farouk’s Egypt went to war with Israel in 1948 it’s population was 18-20 million people,today the population is between 80-90 million. Non industrial feudal societies,with half their populations(women) in virtual slavery,cannot cope with the modern world,they will collapse under their own weight.What is not often mentioned by political pundits is that even Jahadis need to sleep,pay for food,rent, & whatever else.The overpopulation of these nations will stretch to bursting the supply of food,water,energy & other resources needed to stay viable! The only thing that has kept them afloat is collusion with Europe.Europe supplies these Muslim states with their sustenance in return for cheap labor & oil.Now the EU is coming unstuck financially & politically & has it’s own demise staring in it’s face.When Europe unravels sometime in the future the Arabs will collapse into war & starvation.

    • The March Hare

      “the Arabs will collapse into war & starvation.”

      They will starve if we don’t jump in and rescue them financially and with “humanitarian aid” adding more burden to the American taxpayer. The left will probably think this will endear them to the Islamists, but will be, in essence, rescuing their executioner. They won’t sell them the rope, they will give it to them with us taxpayers footing the bill.

  • JAMES

    Islam; misunderstood, peaceful, non violent religion…

    • kikorikid

      JAMES: misunderstood, can’t understand, airhead.
      Come on, Jimmy, tell me you were being sarcastic.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        He was being sarcastic.

        • kikorikid

          OK, then.

  • wileyvet

    An absolute brilliant exposition Mr. Greenfield. Perhaps the best I have seen anywhere. It should be printed out and pinned to the forehead of every elected official, state department minion, and middle east expert around the world.

  • CaoMoo

    Islam is basically the zombie apocalypse except the zombies have AK’s and bomb vests.

  • http://www.facebook.com/aemoreira81 aemoreira81

    Islam would have lost in Syria had Putin gotten out of the way. The USA would have no reason to oppose Assad if not for Vladimir Putin.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Both sides are Islam in the end , e.g. Hezbollah vs Al Qaeda

      • hiernonymous

        The Ba’ath is Islam?

        • T800

          the Ba’ath Party (Assad) is allied with IRAN,who IS Islamic.
          Iran wants Assad to stay in power so they can continue to ship weapons through Syria to Hezbollah,and Iran also sends arms,money,and gives training to al-Qaeda.
          Iran is working both sides,against the US/West.

          • hiernonymous

            the Ba’ath Party (Assad) is allied with IRAN,who IS Islamic…

            Ah – association logic. Well, problem solved, then. We’re all Muslims. Both U.S. parties have supported our alliance with Saudi Arabia, which IS Islamic…

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Fool.

          • Drakken

            Sit back, grab a bourbon, and encourage the muslims, no matter the stripe, to slaughter each other to their little inbred hearts content, the more, the merrier.

          • hiernonymous

            But you are Muslim!

        • Daniel Greenfield

          Are you arguing that it’s not?

          • hiernonymous

            That seems a rather simplistic reading of both the war and of the Assad regime. The Ba’ath and the Assad family grip on Syria predate the Iranian Revolution by some 3 decades and 8 years, respectively. You’re confusing an alliance with Islamists with being Islamist. Assad is also allied to and receives support from Moscow. The Russians are many things, but I’ve not heard that “Islamist” is among them.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Historical alliances don’t mean much in the region. They transform in the blink of an eye.

            Assad became Iran’s puppet. This isn’t his war anymore. It’s a proxy war between regional powers.

  • Topol-M

    “The Jihadist is at war with civilization, with the city, the family
    and the settled way of existence. He is a nomadic raider rolling back
    time to pre-history. He is the savage warrior of the savage past.”

    Well written.

  • liberalism is a mental illness

    Very very well written article. Syria is what all leftards want the west to become. Silly leftards

  • truebearing

    The Middle East didn’t stay in the Middle Ages by accident. Islam is a cult of destruction and death. There are no teachings within Islam that encourage cooperation or instruction on how to build anything, especially healthy relationships. Destruction is the Islamic definition of success. Death is its answer to every disagreement. Judeo-Christian morality is the human survival code. Islam is its pure antithesis.

  • Libslayer

    Islam is evil.
    That will never change.
    Islam must be completely eradicated.
    I would ban it in the US and convert their creepy terror sponsoring mosques into rendering plants, landfills, or parking lots.
    There is no such thing as moderate Islam. Islam means death.

    • mollysdad

      That is why the least bad option for civilized people is to encourage the Muslims to slaughter each other.

      • hiernonymous

        If you’re encouraging slaughter, you don’t fit into the category of “civilized people,” pretty much by definition.

        • mollysdad

          The Muslims have only themselves to blame. They have chosen false religion and the way of death.

          • hiernonymous

            If that’s true, they don’t need encouraging, do they? That bit’s about what you are, not about what they are.

          • truebearing

            Always expidite an ugly process.

          • hiernonymous

            So, for example, you could make just one very long post?

        • Daniel Greenfield

          Only if you define civilized person as pacifist.

          • hiernonymous

            Only if you believe that “slaughter” and “pacifism” represent the only alternatives.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            If you claim that war excludes civilized people, you’re embracing a pacifist worldview.

          • hiernonymous

            “If you claim that war excludes civilized people…”

            Good, let’s start there. Where did I claim any such thing?

            You’re letting your sloppy language lead to sloppy thinking.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            I’m not your court stenographer. Read back your own comments to yourself.

          • hiernonymous

            You’re apparently not even a competent reader. Make your own arguments, or don’t.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            It’s not my job to explain your own comments to you.

          • hiernonymous

            No, it’s your place to explain your own non-sequitur. If you can’t, that’s fine, but your chain of cryptic dodges is simply a waste of time.

          • hiernonymous

            annnnnnd….crickets!

          • Drakken

            Keep throwing up chaff to dilute the real issue. You never seem to come up with a diagnosis or solution yourself, rather curious isn’t it?

          • hiernonymous

            “Keep throwing up chaff to dilute the real issue.”

            I’ll let you know when I need you to determine what the “real issues” are. Thanks for the input, though.

          • Drakken

            Your quite welcome, that misdirection you use, is really bloody obvious ole boy.

          • hiernonymous

            My quite welcome what? Finish your thoughts!

            It’s not clear that what’s “obvious” to you has any relationship to reality or to sound critical discussion. Daniel made an assertion concerning my comments; dealing with that does not have, as its prerequisite, the submission of a comprehensive plan for World Peace.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Muslims slaughtering Muslims – blood sacrifice to satisfy the blood lust of the prophet of Satan called Muhammed.

          • hiernonymous

            “blood sacrifice”

            Careful, you’re not helping Daniel’s case here.

        • truebearing

          Then you agree that Muslims are not civilized. The Koran not only encourages but demands that Muslims slaughter the infidel.

          Encouraging those who live to slaughter to slaughter each other is perfectly reasonable and supremely civilized. The barbarian who lives to destroy all others is destroyed by the like-minded, eliminating the need for the civilized to go to war with the barbarian death cult. It is a wonderful example of poetic justice, or karma if you prefer, though I doubt any encouragement is actually necessary to get Muslims to kill each other.

          Civilization takes a lot of work to maintain. When it is threatened by barbarism, the best strategy imaginable is to get the enemy to destroy itself. Surely a military man would understand that.

          • hiernonymous

            “Then you agree that Muslims are not civilized. The Koran not only encourages but demands that Muslims slaughter the infidel.”

            To the extent that a Muslim believes he must slaughter unbelievers, I’d agree that he isn’t civilized. Most Muslims believe no such thing. If you are inclined to explain what Muslims actually believe, I’d ask you to preface your comments with an explanation of how you know.

        • Drakken

          Pure semantics. When the muslims slaughter each other its a good thing for us.

  • hiernonymous

    Everyone in the Middle East (who isn’t a Jew, Christian, Kurd, Bahai,
    Zoroastrian, Armenian, Circassian, Druze, etc.. ) agrees on the
    importance of Arab and Islamic unity

    *cough* Michel Aflaq *cough*

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Try Robitussin DM.

      • hiernonymous

        Will that retroactively convert Aflaq to Islam? Powerful stuff!

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Lay off the Prozac.

          • hiernonymous

            Didn’t understand the allusion? I’m not surprised. Wait until one of your pet bloggers explains it to you, then you can add “Aflaq” to “Alinsky” in the list of names to drop into your posts.

  • 20pizzapies

    Syria’s what happens whenever more than a thousand muslims are in the same place . We have and should keep our noses out of it .No matter who wins , Syria will still be Israel’s enemy . Just let Assad keep killing jihadis .

  • 20pizzapies

    You are dead on Daniel , that’s why we should just stand back and let them have at it .

  • http://geoffreybritain.wordpress.com/ Geoffrey_Britain

    My vote for most quotable, “Islam is a disruptive force that achieves its unity through violence. It’s a supremacist ideology whose final solution is always the sword. Mohammed won his debates by killing his enemies.”

  • hiernonymous

    The left’s efforts are reducing the United States to the same balkanized
    state in which there is a black vote and a white vote, a rich vote and a
    poor vote, but no national identity that transcends them. We too are
    becoming ‘Sunnis’ and ’Shiites’.

    Becoming? Are you unfamiliar with the history of the U.S., or just being remarkably selective? There’s never been a time when we were “all Americans,” transcending all sectional, class, ethnic, or other identity. Do you recall how the War of 1812 came about? The sectional and economic differences that Balkanized us back then could be attributed to many things, though “left-right” didn’t play much of a role. There was a “black vote” and a “white vote” pretty much as soon as there was a black vote. The “rich vote” and “poor vote” is nothing new either, and there were political cartoons showing Congress in Getty’s pocket, IIRC, before the turn of the last century. Very few of the Neoconfederates cheerfully advocating the autonomy or independence of the Dixie ‘nation’ are of a left-wing bent.

    Noting the role of intranational cultural fault lines in the woes of the Middle East is certainly appropriate (though hardly unique, as the Serbs amply demonstrated in Yugoslavia), but you can’t seem to help over-reaching. Sometimes a cigar is not a Communist plot to destroy the Republic from within.

  • Aryan Hindu

    “Koran results in the animalization of human beings. ” Swami Dayananda Swaraswati.

  • Aryan Hindu

    “The Quran is the result of ignorance, the source of animalization of
    human being, a fruitful cause of destroying peace, an incentive to war, a
    propagator of hostility among men and a promoter of suffering in
    society. ” Maharishi Dayanand Saraswati (1824-1883)

  • Glenn Partridge

    Are we seeing the end times of Islam?

    Islam in the past was very successful when it had plenty of infidels to plunder. The crusades brought an end to that and for some centuries Islamic jihad has remained pretty much dormant until oil money fuelled the jihad again. This time however the infidels are more technologically developed and apart from the few too many sneak attacks such as the twin towers, London, Spain and Bali and a few lone wolfs etc. they have been able to achieve very little in infidel land. Islamic borders are on fire in Thailand, Burma, Balkans, C.A.R. and even in China but very little major incursions into the heart of the infidel, the West.

    Now, look what’s happening in the middle east, with the jihad having nowhere to go it’s turning in on itself, as Daniel describes even Al-Qaeda factions are fighting each other, there is so much hate to go around the whole middle east looks like being engulfed in jihad and all I can say to the West and to Israel is, please stay out of it, it’s a beautiful storm.

  • Drifter12

    All these learned words just to omit the fact that the Obama administration is supporting Al Qaeda and has been for three years

  • Nabukuduriuzhur

    My analysis of groups in the U.S. was a bit simpler. We are two cultures.

    From National Wave of Foolishness, Page 356:

    Going on, there are other political groups that try to claim that they have this or that type of belief, ranging from “conservatives” to “moderates,” but with the hammering clang of the sledge of Socialism by the Democrats as it beats American red corpuscles into sickles, it really comes down to two axës in the United States in politics:

    The Left— and everyone else.

    The hammer and the sickle versus the Cross and the menorah.

    Those that want to bring InterNational Socialism and those that believe in the United States and what it stands for.

    All of what the United States stands for. God, Constitution, the American
    People, freedom and so on.

    Our belief in Jesus Christ, without which, everything would have been vanity from the start. The Constitution is based upon our belief in Jesus Christ.”

  • Vaud

    Mr. Greenfield, a great article, as usual. There’s one place, where I disagree. You say: “Islam rose out of the death of the Roman Empire.”About a hundert years ago a Belgian historian, Henri Pirenne, wrote Muhammad and Charlemagne where he demonstrated how it was moslems and not Germanic tribes, that devastated North Africa and brought the Classical Civilization to an end. For almost a hundred years it was Pirenne against the rest of the world. Fortunately, relatively recent archeological research proves Pirenne right.

    Here’s a link to an comment concerning a book that was trying to debunk Pirenne (before archeology debunked the book). The commentator shows, in a quite concise way, the process of thinking behind Pirenne’s theory (aka a proven hypothesis). He also mentions some books on the subject worth reading.

    http://www.amazon.com/review/R2RJTYDH2LAJQN/ref=cm_cr_dp_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0801492629&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=283155&store=books#wasThisHelpful

  • The Oppo Man

    One simple word for jihadists: Parasites. I’ll feed them lead anytime they threaten me or my family.

  • The Oppo Man

    Excellent article Daniel.

  • Don in Uganda

    He who lives by the sword……