US Vets Oppose Berghdal Deal 68% to 16%


These are the people who would know. Many of them were there. They know what is at stake. They understand honor and duty.

And they have spoken.

A new USA Today/Pew poll shows that American veterans strongly oppose President Obama’s decision to release five Taliban commanders in exchange for U.S. soldier Bowe Bergdahl:

Veterans are much more harsh in their assessment of the 28-year-old sergeant. Only 6% of veterans who responded say they sympathized with him, while 33% say they were angry. By 68%-16%, veterans say Obama made the wrong decision.

“If he was a captured prisoner of war, we wouldn’t be having this discussion,” says Joe Davis, the director of public affairs for the Veterans of Foreign Wars. “He put his teammates in jeopardy, and you absolutely don’t do that in a combat zone.”

Veterans are worried about the precedent set by the transfer, Davis says. “We have a long history in this country of not negotiating with terrorists,” he says. “And we just did.”

This probably won’t hurt Obama too much with the general public, but it’s another reminder to vets how Un-American this administration is.

  • Judahlevi

    Like we needed a reminder…

    Bergdahl did the most dishonorable act a soldier or Marine could do – desert his unit in a combat zone. Regardless of any rationalizations, there is no justification for this. This is the ultimate betrayal of your fellow soldiers.

    To all veterans out there – thank you for your service.

  • Jason P

    Given that the troops see bringing home captured comrades is a high priority, 68% opposing this swap is a striking statement.

  • Texas Patriot

    It will be interesting to see how JAG comes down in this case. Personally, I think it would be better if charges are brought so we can have a full airing of all the facts both for and against a verdict of guilty. Otherwise, the whole thing might remained sealed as “classified” in which case we would be left with the usual rumor, supposition, and speculation and highly politicized range of opinion.

    • Judahlevi

      I agree that charges need to be brought. If not, it will further demoralize the troops who are currently serving.

      That Obama put this man up on a pedestal with talking points to Susan Rice that he served with “honor and distinction” is an insult to the troops who are serving with TRUE honor and distinction.

      It is also a slap in the face to any veteran – and they know it.

      • Texas Patriot

        Just don’t be surprised if Bowe Bergdahl is found not guilty by reason of false pretenses and fraudulent misrepresentation, because the President he enlisted and served under represented to the American people, including Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl and his family, that Islam is a religion of peace when in fact it is nothing of the kind.

        • Judahlevi

          Frankly, I will be surprised if they charge him. When the COC says he served with “honor” and has his parents in the White House, the DOD is not going to go out of their way to prosecute him.

          What they should do, and what they do, are two entirely different actions for this administration.

          • Texas Patriot

            Either that or they do not want to have to admit in a court of law that the United States government has misrepresented material facts and deceived the American people since day one about the nature of the conflict in which we are engaged and the nature of the enemy we face.

          • truebearing

            Yes, Obama has done that and worse. He gave Iran billions of dollars right after ending sanctions. He’s freed the Taliban Five, and presided over an administration that has denied health care to tens of thousands of vets. And let us not forget his insane rules of engagement in Afghanistan, which demoralized our troops and undoubtedly got many killed or wounded. The list goes on…

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            I hasten to add that my son, who works at the Pentagon, has told me about the climate of fear at that building, as the Obama Administration continues its efforts to weed out “unfaithful officers” and “those who would not order their troops to fire on American citizens under a Presidential command”.

            As a former battalion commander in Afghanistan, and a historian, he’s come under intense scrutiny by the DOD for fear that he might reveal something, whether classified or not.

          • Texas Patriot

            I’m glad to know we have at least one eminently qualified American holding down the fort at the Pentagon. If they ever decide to let him go, maybe we can find a way to put him to work in the private sector. No worries, Wolfie.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            He doesn’t want to leave the Army until he’s had command of a division, which would require two stars on his shoulders. He’s a full colonel, but he knows he has no chance to get the first star, until Obama is gone.

          • Texas Patriot

            Sounds like a great kid to me.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            He is that! Thanks …

          • Texas Patriot

            Let me know if he suddenly becomes “available” due to factors beyond his control. There’s an outside chance I could have some work for him in the area of international oil trades.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            I appreciate that. He is an historian, and is currently working on a dissertation that covers the Afghan War. He wants to teach history at West Point. Failing that, he would “reluctantly” teach at the university where I gained tenure.

            All the guy really needs is to be an analyst at the CIA, and I have my own Jack Ryan, in the family.

            However, if he “leaves” the Army, he might be looking to gain some quick money, and he might show interest. I’ll tell him …

          • Texas Patriot

            That kind of overall focus and perspective could be very helpful within the context of international commercial transactions in the 21st Century.

  • Dan Mesa/AZ

    I’m sure the next scandal after the new upcoming scandal of the kids being dumped at the border, is when Obama gets madder than a sack of wet hens and threatens to take action….. on something.

  • truebearing

    The general public better start caring what the vets think. They are the ones who have risked it all for their freedom and the freedom of others. And they are the ones Obama is dumping on every chance he gets. The numbers of vets getting denied care by the VA continues to rise, on Obama’s evil watch, while Obama is freeing Taliban generals that undoubtedly played a role in helping Bin Laden plan and prepare for 9/11. People better start connecting some dots, and soon, or they will be forever sorry.

    • Texas Patriot

      TB: The general public better start caring what the vets think.

      What’s even more important is for the government elected of the American people, by the American people, and for the American people start telling the American people and the soldiers who ultimately serve the American people the truth about the nature of the conflicts in which we are engaged and the nature of the enemies we face. Without that kind of honesty and truth, there is no possibility of trust and confidence, and without trust and confidence, there is no possibility of the kind of victory that the American people and the soldiers who fight for us deserve.

      • truebearing

        You don’t like it that Bush said Islam is a religion of peace and that Obama demonized our country more than he did the Muslims, and I agree.
        Remeber the context though. Bush was responding to the cacophony from the Left over any implication that America opposed Islam itself, and Bush let them set him up. Actually, Karl Rove was probably a key reason for the way Bush responded. It was wrong. Bush should have counter-attacked the Left and kept reminding people who it was we were fighting and why. There was no need to say that we aren’t fighting a war against Islam.
        There was a better way to handle splitting the hairs. Bush needed to ignore the Islamophobia nonsense and stick it to the Left for worrying more about Islam than America. He should have always redirected the debate back to the evil of Al Queda and Islamist beliefs. He should have spent more time educating people on the Islamist interpretation of the Quran. He was right, however, to not make any bold declaration of war with all of Islam, for a thousand strategic reasons. Wars are won after a series of battles. The Left pressured Bush into a strategic mistake that he didn’t have to even respond to. Maybe he had too many politically correct advisors.

      • Wolfthatknowsall

        You know about my history in teaching, and so you also know that I am not some kind of low-grade moron, Patriot.

        However, I … like millions of other Americans … knew practically nothing about Islam, prior to 9/11. As I said the other day, they were, to me, picturesque nomads wandering the desert (or oil-rich sheikhs) … who showed a great deal of devotion to their faith, often putting Christians to shame, in this.

        My eyes were quite open on 9/12, and I’ve learned everything I could possibly learn about Islam, since then. I know, now, that we fact a heartless enemy that is willing to die in the name of the “Prophet”. I’ve also learned that the secular element in their religion cannot be separated from the faith element. They are one and the same.

        I don’t agree that these were “wars for oil”, although I know you didn’t specifically say this, in your comment. You mentioned “the truth about the nature of the conflicts in which we are engaged”. Potentially, we face an enemy much more dangerous than Hit!er or Stalin ever dreamed of being. They do not want to be our friends. As the name of their religion suggests, they want us to “submit”.

        Throughout history, men have made money on war. This does not invalidate the reasons why any nation goes to war. It’s just one of the things that have to be lived with.

        But Islam? They will kill us, if they have the chance and we don’t convert. They must, at the least, be contained.

        • Texas Patriot

          I couldn’t agree with you more, Wolfie. But I do think it is important to separate Arab culture from Islamic culture to the maximum extent humanly possible. The desert culture of the Bedouin nomad is a beautiful thing, and I have admired it for as long as I can remember. At the same time, there is no doubt that Islamic culture forms an ideological overlay that is very much intwined in Arab culture today, and separating the two is anything but easy.

          Under these complex circumstances, is it possible for Arab Muslims to be friends with Westerners? I tend to doubt it in light of the Islamic teaching that those who do not submit to Islam have committed a crime against God and deserve to die. But is it possible for Western Christians to be friends with Arabs? I think that is a more difficult question both theologically and as a practical matter.

          In the first place, we both know that Jesus Christ taught that we must love our enemies as well as our friends:

          43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be childrenof your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

          Matthew 5:43-48

          As a Christian, I regard that commandment as binding, regardless of how difficult it may be. However, as Jesus also said, we are not required to be blind as to the intent of those who want to destroy us, but rather we are to be “wise as serpents and innocent as doves.” Finally, we should be thankful for a guy like Ronald Reagan who wasn’t afraid to deal with something as treacherous as the Soviet Union. His solution, “Trust but verify.”

          Putting all this together, I think it may well be possible to deal with Arabs based on our admiration of their traditional tribal culture, even as we are aware that because of their islamic culture they regard us as the enemies of God whom they are duty bound to convert, subjugate, or kill.

          P.S. i haven’t forgotten that you have a Phd. from Princeton or that you have Comanche ancestors or that you were an early devotee and advocate of “Mr. Conservative” himself, Barry Goldwater. Those are all fantastic qualities, Wolfie, I don’t think even for a microsecond that you aren’t up to the task at hand, however difficult it may be.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            You remind me very much of a person on another website, whom I consider to be a very kind, decent, and forgiving person. This is a compliment.

            When I was in Vietnam, intellectually, I was fighting against the Soviet Union. Even the atrocities I saw … especially on the part of the VC … didn’t cause me to hate them. But I kept my eye on the mission. Indeed, in war, hate causes danger to self, buddies, and the mission.

            I realize Arab tribal culture long pre-dates Islam. But there are few Arabs, today, that are not Muslims. I know a family of Lebanese Christians, but they are getting to be a rare event.

            However, Arab culture and Islam are a dangerous combination, when joined with high-tech weaponry. It’s bad enough that Pakistan is nuclear-armed, but the time for the destruction of Iran’s nuclear facilities is far overdue (and I know that Iranians are not Arabs).

            Containment …

            My view of this, regarding Islam, is no more Islamic conquests, no Islamic high-tech weaponry, Western energy self-sufficiency, and a most decidedly non-multicultural immigration policy.

            If the West does not contain the Islamic world until it self-implodes … due to its many logical inconsistencies and brutalities … the whole world is in danger. How many centuries this will take, I don’t know. But then, I didn’t expect the USSR to fall in my lifetime, either. We also need Europe in the game, too.

          • Texas Patriot

            My view of human nature is very dim, Wolfie. From my perspective we’re all relegated to living in biological organisms which are the product of billions of years of evolution, and there are no exceptions. As such, we’re all prone to error and all are at risk to all of the seven deadly sins including pride, anger, lust, gluttony, sloth, greed and jealousy, which makes the world a very dangerous and unpredictable place. Under these circumstances, I really can’t imagine living in any other way than by the light and life example of our Lord Jesus Christ. But as Jesus said, it’s a narrow gate and a hard road that leads to life, and only a few find it. It’s been a great pleasure chatting with you, Wolfie, and I wish you and yours all the best in the perilous days ahead. As the Apostle Paul said, all things work together for good for those who love and serve the Lord.

          • Wolfthatknowsall

            The same wishes for you and yours, Patriot.

  • Edward Cline

    “By 68%-16%, veterans say Obama made the wrong decision.” No, he made the right decision, because he knows his decision will upset veterans and most other Americans. It was the right decision to make because aside from wanting to alienate Americans — he has nothing to lose, his term of office is winding down — and it’s his pussy way of giving veterans and the country the finger.

  • Ban Liberals

    What a surprise.

    What I’d really like to see are the stats of OBAMA VOTERS, which I venture to guess would be overwhelmingly in SUPPORT of the traitor and AGAINST the military!

    Not that would be a revelation and window into the REAL danger facing the United States.

  • glpage

    Obama and the Democrats just need to make sure veterans and active military personnel don’t vote. Oh wait, they try to do that every election.