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		<title>By: harv555</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2014 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Unborn Children&quot;  is a useless word, and only used to rile up the religious fanatics.  Any egg in a woman&#039;s body is an &quot;unborn child.&quot;  How useless.  You do not believe in the word of God, as stated in Genesis, and which I quoted below.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Unborn Children&#8221;  is a useless word, and only used to rile up the religious fanatics.  Any egg in a woman&#8217;s body is an &#8220;unborn child.&#8221;  How useless.  You do not believe in the word of God, as stated in Genesis, and which I quoted below.</p>
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		<title>By: harv555</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[harv555]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What gives you the right to make this decision for a woman, a person not yourself?  You become a Statist, wanting to use the power of government to project your own deeply held religious view.  For me, I believe in the Old Testament, Genesis, when God said that a fetus becomes a person when he or she begins to breath, the &quot;breath of life.&quot;  Hopefully you know your Genesis, right from the beginning.  But I do not want to debate religion with you.  I just want to prevent you from foisting your deeply held, passionate beliefs on others who do not share your religious beliefs.  But practically, there is a limit regarding what the State and Laws can do.  I just want to prevent you from forcing other people to adhere to your own, personal, deeply held, but personal points of view using the power of the state.  You see, I am a conservative, not a Statist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What gives you the right to make this decision for a woman, a person not yourself?  You become a Statist, wanting to use the power of government to project your own deeply held religious view.  For me, I believe in the Old Testament, Genesis, when God said that a fetus becomes a person when he or she begins to breath, the &#8220;breath of life.&#8221;  Hopefully you know your Genesis, right from the beginning.  But I do not want to debate religion with you.  I just want to prevent you from foisting your deeply held, passionate beliefs on others who do not share your religious beliefs.  But practically, there is a limit regarding what the State and Laws can do.  I just want to prevent you from forcing other people to adhere to your own, personal, deeply held, but personal points of view using the power of the state.  You see, I am a conservative, not a Statist.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael Crapo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathanael Crapo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2014 03:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Murder is the deprivation (or stealing) of future life.  Murder is not always immoral such as in cases like taking a old pigs life for the bacon that you eat.  But if you are trying to tell me that it&#039;s the case with a &quot;potential person&quot; then your wrong.   You&#039;re completely and utterly wrong.   When a person is born they live their life and then with high probability produce offspring which are &quot;potential people&quot; of their own.  When ever a women has an abortion that whole gene line is cut and it never exists.  So abortionists are not only depriving a single life at a time but a whole world of possibilities life.   It&#039;s the same thing as the butterfly affect.  Lets say your average joe went back to the year 1912, do you think he would have the moral right to tell Germany everything that would happen in the &quot;Great War&quot;?  You&#039;re probably thinking &quot;They would have no right to change content of that history because of the long term effects on the course of events.&quot; and your right, they wouldn&#039;t have the right just the opportunity to change things for the worst or better.  Women think they are changing their situation for the better by relieving their burden of carrying a child but what they are actually doing is killing thousands and thousands of possible people to come from their roots even though one of them could be the one to prevent a world war three, cure cancer, or even unite the world under one government.  So tell me do you believe that women have the &quot;right&quot; to step on those butterflies, to crush that future life force?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murder is the deprivation (or stealing) of future life.  Murder is not always immoral such as in cases like taking a old pigs life for the bacon that you eat.  But if you are trying to tell me that it&#8217;s the case with a &#8220;potential person&#8221; then your wrong.   You&#8217;re completely and utterly wrong.   When a person is born they live their life and then with high probability produce offspring which are &#8220;potential people&#8221; of their own.  When ever a women has an abortion that whole gene line is cut and it never exists.  So abortionists are not only depriving a single life at a time but a whole world of possibilities life.   It&#8217;s the same thing as the butterfly affect.  Lets say your average joe went back to the year 1912, do you think he would have the moral right to tell Germany everything that would happen in the &#8220;Great War&#8221;?  You&#8217;re probably thinking &#8220;They would have no right to change content of that history because of the long term effects on the course of events.&#8221; and your right, they wouldn&#8217;t have the right just the opportunity to change things for the worst or better.  Women think they are changing their situation for the better by relieving their burden of carrying a child but what they are actually doing is killing thousands and thousands of possible people to come from their roots even though one of them could be the one to prevent a world war three, cure cancer, or even unite the world under one government.  So tell me do you believe that women have the &#8220;right&#8221; to step on those butterflies, to crush that future life force?</p>
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		<title>By: Dusquene Whistler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dusquene Whistler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2014 14:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You want to kill the product of rape? Fine, but somebody better be going to jail and &quot;he said he loved me&quot; is not rape.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want to kill the product of rape? Fine, but somebody better be going to jail and &#8220;he said he loved me&#8221; is not rape.</p>
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		<title>By: choiceone</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2014 23:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You people who claim that an embryo or fetus is no different than a 
neonate in its type of dependency are objectively, scientifically 
incorrect.  

An embryo or ore-viable fetus depends on the blood 
circulation in and the homeostasis of a particular woman&#039;s body for its 
continued life.  It can only live by disabling a person&#039;s immune system,
 having oxygen and nutrients transferred away from that person&#039;s blood 
to itself, and having homeostasis provided by that particular person&#039;s 
body.  If the woman dies, her blood ceases to circulate: the embryo or 
pre-viable fetus will die automatically then, for if it stays inside her
 body, it will be unable to access oxygen or nutrients, but if it is 
removed, it will be unable to access oxygen or nutrients as a premie 
would. 

No neonate ever lives this way, in completely biological 
dependence on being biologically connected to the body of a particular 
live person.  The born can receive their oxygen and nutrients from 
sources equally available to all persons.  Oxygen comes from air or 
medical equipment, not a person&#039;s body. If the mother dies, a neonate 
can survive without breast milk, on coconut milk, soy milk or other 
sources.  Anyone sufficiently mature can care for it, and people can 
TAKE TURNS doing so. The neonate is socially dependent, but not 
biologically dependent.  

The same distinction can be made for 
types of conjoined twins.  Most cases involve two heads sharing one 
partly doubled body.  Each head has the capacity to take in oxygen and 
nutrients separatately from common sources and to sustain the body&#039;s 
homeostasis.  But the case of parasitic and host twins is different.  
The parasitic twin is fully contained in the host twin&#039;s body and 
receives oxygen, nutrients, etc., from the host twin&#039;s blood through 
biological connection.

And not one person ever claims that the 
surgical removal of a parasitic twin from a host twin&#039;s body is murder 
even though the parasitic twin automatically dies if removed.

I&#039;m
 sick of nitwits claiming that unique DNA is the marker of an individual
 human being.  Pregnancy is NOT caretaking.  It is the creation of an 
individual human organism that becomes capable of functioning as a human being when the process of pregnancy is sufficiently completed.  Women are not containers.  They are creators.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people who claim that an embryo or fetus is no different than a<br />
neonate in its type of dependency are objectively, scientifically<br />
incorrect.  </p>
<p>An embryo or ore-viable fetus depends on the blood<br />
circulation in and the homeostasis of a particular woman&#8217;s body for its<br />
continued life.  It can only live by disabling a person&#8217;s immune system,<br />
 having oxygen and nutrients transferred away from that person&#8217;s blood<br />
to itself, and having homeostasis provided by that particular person&#8217;s<br />
body.  If the woman dies, her blood ceases to circulate: the embryo or<br />
pre-viable fetus will die automatically then, for if it stays inside her<br />
 body, it will be unable to access oxygen or nutrients, but if it is<br />
removed, it will be unable to access oxygen or nutrients as a premie<br />
would. </p>
<p>No neonate ever lives this way, in completely biological<br />
dependence on being biologically connected to the body of a particular<br />
live person.  The born can receive their oxygen and nutrients from<br />
sources equally available to all persons.  Oxygen comes from air or<br />
medical equipment, not a person&#8217;s body. If the mother dies, a neonate<br />
can survive without breast milk, on coconut milk, soy milk or other<br />
sources.  Anyone sufficiently mature can care for it, and people can<br />
TAKE TURNS doing so. The neonate is socially dependent, but not<br />
biologically dependent.  </p>
<p>The same distinction can be made for<br />
types of conjoined twins.  Most cases involve two heads sharing one<br />
partly doubled body.  Each head has the capacity to take in oxygen and<br />
nutrients separatately from common sources and to sustain the body&#8217;s<br />
homeostasis.  But the case of parasitic and host twins is different.<br />
The parasitic twin is fully contained in the host twin&#8217;s body and<br />
receives oxygen, nutrients, etc., from the host twin&#8217;s blood through<br />
biological connection.</p>
<p>And not one person ever claims that the<br />
surgical removal of a parasitic twin from a host twin&#8217;s body is murder<br />
even though the parasitic twin automatically dies if removed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m<br />
 sick of nitwits claiming that unique DNA is the marker of an individual<br />
 human being.  Pregnancy is NOT caretaking.  It is the creation of an<br />
individual human organism that becomes capable of functioning as a human being when the process of pregnancy is sufficiently completed.  Women are not containers.  They are creators.</p>
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		<title>By: harv555</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[harv555]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2014 18:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excuse me, when you say infant child, are you referring to the zygote or the fetus, or the infant child after birth.  You are so much of a religious fanatic that you do not see clearly that a zygote is not an infant child, nor is a fetus.  There are similarities, but not the sameness needed for the State to pass laws protecting the rights of the zygote and the fetus.  You people are statists wanting to foist your deeply held religious beliefs on others.  You masquerade as conservatives, when you actually are big government, statists, wanting to control others with nasty laws.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me, when you say infant child, are you referring to the zygote or the fetus, or the infant child after birth.  You are so much of a religious fanatic that you do not see clearly that a zygote is not an infant child, nor is a fetus.  There are similarities, but not the sameness needed for the State to pass laws protecting the rights of the zygote and the fetus.  You people are statists wanting to foist your deeply held religious beliefs on others.  You masquerade as conservatives, when you actually are big government, statists, wanting to control others with nasty laws.</p>
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		<title>By: harv555</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[harv555]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2014 18:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The issue is when does life occur which should be protected by the state.  Statists (Marxists, communists, controllers, Obama types) want the state to promote their own personal values.  Pro lifers want to do the same thing, but hide their statist views with religious zeal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue is when does life occur which should be protected by the state.  Statists (Marxists, communists, controllers, Obama types) want the state to promote their own personal values.  Pro lifers want to do the same thing, but hide their statist views with religious zeal.</p>
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		<title>By: A Z</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2014 14:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My thoughts vary on the issue.  Mostly, I take a libertarian view. It is within the family.  If a man is not married to the baby mama and she wants an abortion, then F CK HIM, he has no say.  Marriage should be a man&#039;s protection as well as a woman&#039;s.

I also think don&#039;t come to me to pick my pocket when you aborted babies in your 20s and now need fertility treatment in your 30s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts vary on the issue.  Mostly, I take a libertarian view. It is within the family.  If a man is not married to the baby mama and she wants an abortion, then F CK HIM, he has no say.  Marriage should be a man&#8217;s protection as well as a woman&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I also think don&#8217;t come to me to pick my pocket when you aborted babies in your 20s and now need fertility treatment in your 30s.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pablo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2014 12:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ADAM&#039;s life did not occur until God breathed life into his nostrils. You can either cite the text that shows Him doing the same with Cain and Abel, or you can stop being silly. 



I am not a religious zealot, but I have read the book and I know what it says, as you pretend to. I am also not a Republican, but I do thank you for taking the time to craft your little fantasy about me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ADAM&#8217;s life did not occur until God breathed life into his nostrils. You can either cite the text that shows Him doing the same with Cain and Abel, or you can stop being silly. </p>
<p>I am not a religious zealot, but I have read the book and I know what it says, as you pretend to. I am also not a Republican, but I do thank you for taking the time to craft your little fantasy about me.</p>
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		<title>By: laura r</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[laura r]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2014 04:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[there should be laws concerning abortion. both extremes are bad, especially radical left.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there should be laws concerning abortion. both extremes are bad, especially radical left.</p>
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		<title>By: harv555</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[harv555]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2014 03:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As G-d wrote in Genesis, the life does not occur until the breath of life is moved through the nostrils.  The fetus and the zygote are merely parts of the mothers body.  You religious zealots have no concern for reality, only for your religious zeal.  The problem is that you want to foist your religious zeal on everyone using the power of the state. That is where you are not conservatives but statists, liberals, Marxists.  You do not belong in the Republican Party unless you do not want to use the power of the state to promote your religious beliefs onto those who do not agree with you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As G-d wrote in Genesis, the life does not occur until the breath of life is moved through the nostrils.  The fetus and the zygote are merely parts of the mothers body.  You religious zealots have no concern for reality, only for your religious zeal.  The problem is that you want to foist your religious zeal on everyone using the power of the state. That is where you are not conservatives but statists, liberals, Marxists.  You do not belong in the Republican Party unless you do not want to use the power of the state to promote your religious beliefs onto those who do not agree with you.</p>
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		<title>By: chelmer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chelmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2014 02:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You haven&#039;t lived until you&#039;ve heard the eloquent plea for life from a man--a good man, a father of children, an upstanding and moral and kind person--explain to Chris Plante on WMAL radio one morning that his father was a rapist who attacked his mother. His mother became pregnant, gave birth to the child, and gave him up for adoption. Guess what? That child now lives a productive, exemplary life. To assume that the life of a child conceived in such a hideous way has no value is to not logical  People are so blithe in negating the humanity of others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You haven&#8217;t lived until you&#8217;ve heard the eloquent plea for life from a man&#8211;a good man, a father of children, an upstanding and moral and kind person&#8211;explain to Chris Plante on WMAL radio one morning that his father was a rapist who attacked his mother. His mother became pregnant, gave birth to the child, and gave him up for adoption. Guess what? That child now lives a productive, exemplary life. To assume that the life of a child conceived in such a hideous way has no value is to not logical  People are so blithe in negating the humanity of others.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew_S</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew_S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2014 16:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Malthus offered a number of treatise, his work in text like many others such as Locke, Beauvier, Black, Hobbes, Csaz, even Marx along with a myriad of others follow a spectrum of studies that are considered by the cream of academia and research defacto standards as proof of concept. Especially regarding humans.  I neither ascribe to nor endorse any, other than by reference..  However do take note that in economics Malthus still is a standard that is used as a guide for the First, Second and and reformatory Third corporate Welfare theorem.  The US is considered a stage two Welfare economy, there is a stark difference between what people believe and what is true.  Economies of state also endorse the practice, you will know this if you ever visit WA, DC.  Congress is a hive of economic spreadsheets and budgets, being traded.  Take the time to observe the behavior where people are defined in terms of housing stock, value and cost.  Also examine your county fiduciary policies, they are all housed in the same building along with the policy makers for your county.  They too have quota&#039;s and funding to ensure success..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malthus offered a number of treatise, his work in text like many others such as Locke, Beauvier, Black, Hobbes, Csaz, even Marx along with a myriad of others follow a spectrum of studies that are considered by the cream of academia and research defacto standards as proof of concept. Especially regarding humans.  I neither ascribe to nor endorse any, other than by reference..  However do take note that in economics Malthus still is a standard that is used as a guide for the First, Second and and reformatory Third corporate Welfare theorem.  The US is considered a stage two Welfare economy, there is a stark difference between what people believe and what is true.  Economies of state also endorse the practice, you will know this if you ever visit WA, DC.  Congress is a hive of economic spreadsheets and budgets, being traded.  Take the time to observe the behavior where people are defined in terms of housing stock, value and cost.  Also examine your county fiduciary policies, they are all housed in the same building along with the policy makers for your county.  They too have quota&#8217;s and funding to ensure success..</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pablo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2014 14:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Before I formed you in the womb I knew you...&quot; Jeremiah 1:5

What you describe in Genesis refers to Adam, not all mankind. &quot;Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.&quot;

Are you seriously asserting that a fetus is not alive, and do you truly believe that babies come from &quot;the dust of the ground&quot; or are you just trying to mock the faithful?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Before I formed you in the womb I knew you&#8230;&#8221; Jeremiah 1:5</p>
<p>What you describe in Genesis refers to Adam, not all mankind. &#8220;Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you seriously asserting that a fetus is not alive, and do you truly believe that babies come from &#8220;the dust of the ground&#8221; or are you just trying to mock the faithful?</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2014 13:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A fetus is, without question, a nascent human being. You can quibble over definitions all you like but there&#039;s no getting past that one.

As for acorns, they&#039;re seeds. Once planted and growing, like a fetus is, they are oaks indeed. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fetus is, without question, a nascent human being. You can quibble over definitions all you like but there&#8217;s no getting past that one.</p>
<p>As for acorns, they&#8217;re seeds. Once planted and growing, like a fetus is, they are oaks indeed. </p>
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		<title>By: harv555</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2014 18:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The main point is that the state should not be involved with something which is as controversial as abortion.  At best the country is split 50-50, and probably more like 80% pro choice.  To create national laws against abortion would be totally contrary to conservative principles.  The coalition between the Republican Party and the pro lifers is bound for disarray and contention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main point is that the state should not be involved with something which is as controversial as abortion.  At best the country is split 50-50, and probably more like 80% pro choice.  To create national laws against abortion would be totally contrary to conservative principles.  The coalition between the Republican Party and the pro lifers is bound for disarray and contention.</p>
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		<title>By: harv555</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2014 18:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Moreover, there is a direct statement in the beginning of Genesis regarding the &quot;Breath of Life,&quot; which the bible believers always want to ignore.  Basically, life begins when G-d breathes into the baby&#039;s nostrils.  It is a clear statement in Genesis, not to be denied.  Yet those who are religious and who are anti abortion always try to disregard this clear statement in the good book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moreover, there is a direct statement in the beginning of Genesis regarding the &#8220;Breath of Life,&#8221; which the bible believers always want to ignore.  Basically, life begins when G-d breathes into the baby&#8217;s nostrils.  It is a clear statement in Genesis, not to be denied.  Yet those who are religious and who are anti abortion always try to disregard this clear statement in the good book.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew_S</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2014 17:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[:) Well observed, your referring citation is on the mark in so many dimensions and yet I can but only lament that your statement of people falling asleep before the second paragraph echoes so well as a matter of observation. ....What is of course interesting based on the output of the population management industries is quite simply to understand the method.  We always of course need to have a natural catalyst.  The more fascinating aspect to the document remains hidden within those specific paragraphs quoted.  The use of what is termed technologies and agents not withstanding the natural mindset of females themselves is astoundingly simple once the concepts are understood. As they are basically policy driven and continually enforced while further funded with no limit to capacity to ensure success.  Gramsci&#039;s methodology fits well in what has been co-opted as in anything but name, &#039;The long march through culture&#039;.  

We deal with a flaw in the political Kabuki theater. practices of statecraft under management.  See the congessional record ascribed to politician &#039;Trafficant&#039; of I believe 1987.  That is who indeed pulls Barbies strings, it is further argued that &#039;herd&#039; as conceptual behavior is predicated for an outcome.  So we deal with the fascinating subject of social engineering and the effects of changing morality.  

Books such as you have quoted follow the genre of Rachael Carsons &#039;Silent Spring&#039;...right up to science Fiction scenarios as depicted in &#039;GreyBeard&#039;.   Yet all deal with an uncomfortable subject under the auspices of a system that is ruled by those who need only control the financial system. Therefore with such a scenario we should take heed that the well heeled no matter their creed will develop the technologies and ideations to preserve their own hereditary goals for the future.   Some of those ideas and projections are considered nightmares for human kind and the many will never know the difference given specific social trajectories. One which the likes of Margaret Sangar and our modern day sample equivalent depicted herein pictorially holding the symbolic key to human kinds future for her masters. 

The understanding of technologies is not a hard subject since anything that produces a result or profit whether personal or financial is considered a technology.  Whether it is a method of manipulation or some creation of breakthrough science, they are all technologies and sciences.  Even religion is this perspective takes on its true character as a de&#039;nominat&#039;ional value, which if we study the authors of the original paper, &#039;Tertlit&#039; goes on in other papers to ascribe methods to capitalize better the affinity for humans to the phenomena.

.I state this with the idea that all science is rooted in the religion of modern day economics.  My point however is to understand the words &#039;herd&#039; and &#039;heritability&#039;.  To understand this form of statecraft as the ultimate beneficiary we would have to pursue an original master by the name of Lycurgus.  His image is given a place of honor in the congressional halls and chambers.  Perhaps some may find solace in taking the time to study him.  His history is one that is regurgitated and practiced repeatedly throughout history, often with monumentally fatal results.   



Regarding the original article and your willingness to quote it.  The technologies used are a two edged sword, that are designed to cut on both strokes.  What is even more morally objectionable on my part is the means and method as they are stated quite clearly and the results are self evident.  The imposed legal doctrines fundamental to the argument are those of &#039;Clean hands&#039;, &#039;Potency&#039; and &#039;Value&#039;, if people only understood the argument we would be half way to a positive solution for the human condition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src="http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" />  Well observed, your referring citation is on the mark in so many dimensions and yet I can but only lament that your statement of people falling asleep before the second paragraph echoes so well as a matter of observation. &#8230;.What is of course interesting based on the output of the population management industries is quite simply to understand the method.  We always of course need to have a natural catalyst.  The more fascinating aspect to the document remains hidden within those specific paragraphs quoted.  The use of what is termed technologies and agents not withstanding the natural mindset of females themselves is astoundingly simple once the concepts are understood. As they are basically policy driven and continually enforced while further funded with no limit to capacity to ensure success.  Gramsci&#8217;s methodology fits well in what has been co-opted as in anything but name, &#8216;The long march through culture&#8217;.  </p>
<p>We deal with a flaw in the political Kabuki theater. practices of statecraft under management.  See the congessional record ascribed to politician &#8216;Trafficant&#8217; of I believe 1987.  That is who indeed pulls Barbies strings, it is further argued that &#8216;herd&#8217; as conceptual behavior is predicated for an outcome.  So we deal with the fascinating subject of social engineering and the effects of changing morality.  </p>
<p>Books such as you have quoted follow the genre of Rachael Carsons &#8216;Silent Spring&#8217;&#8230;right up to science Fiction scenarios as depicted in &#8216;GreyBeard&#8217;.   Yet all deal with an uncomfortable subject under the auspices of a system that is ruled by those who need only control the financial system. Therefore with such a scenario we should take heed that the well heeled no matter their creed will develop the technologies and ideations to preserve their own hereditary goals for the future.   Some of those ideas and projections are considered nightmares for human kind and the many will never know the difference given specific social trajectories. One which the likes of Margaret Sangar and our modern day sample equivalent depicted herein pictorially holding the symbolic key to human kinds future for her masters. </p>
<p>The understanding of technologies is not a hard subject since anything that produces a result or profit whether personal or financial is considered a technology.  Whether it is a method of manipulation or some creation of breakthrough science, they are all technologies and sciences.  Even religion is this perspective takes on its true character as a de&#8217;nominat&#8217;ional value, which if we study the authors of the original paper, &#8216;Tertlit&#8217; goes on in other papers to ascribe methods to capitalize better the affinity for humans to the phenomena.</p>
<p>.I state this with the idea that all science is rooted in the religion of modern day economics.  My point however is to understand the words &#8216;herd&#8217; and &#8216;heritability&#8217;.  To understand this form of statecraft as the ultimate beneficiary we would have to pursue an original master by the name of Lycurgus.  His image is given a place of honor in the congressional halls and chambers.  Perhaps some may find solace in taking the time to study him.  His history is one that is regurgitated and practiced repeatedly throughout history, often with monumentally fatal results.   </p>
<p>Regarding the original article and your willingness to quote it.  The technologies used are a two edged sword, that are designed to cut on both strokes.  What is even more morally objectionable on my part is the means and method as they are stated quite clearly and the results are self evident.  The imposed legal doctrines fundamental to the argument are those of &#8216;Clean hands&#8217;, &#8216;Potency&#8217; and &#8216;Value&#8217;, if people only understood the argument we would be half way to a positive solution for the human condition.</p>
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		<title>By: Habbgun</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2014 17:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe you are wrong on this. A fetus is completely different than a sperm or egg cell. It may not be able to hire a lawyer and represent itself in court but it will do the fundamental thing that the adult body will do. It will create differentiated cells that will allow it to be a complete, integrated functional organism. It is fully developed in that sense and can not be discounted as a human. Do I become somehow less human if I am in a coma? I doubt it.



With that said there is a libertarian argument for abortion and that is how much the state gets a say. The truth is although I know abortion to be terribly wrong I am not at ease with police or prosecutors who are comfortable pulling a screwed up teenager off of an abortionists table and would prefer that kind of law enforcement. There are enough animals out there for real police work and I&#039;d hate to have the kind of cops who would rather focus on pregnant teens instead of thugs. The cops I have known would prefer that they deal with violent crime and not social issues..



The problem is that the Left isn&#039;t arguing about the limits of the state at all. What it is saying is that we should be applauding abortion. That a woman&#039;s will to economic success is more important than whatever other biological qualities she may have. Qualities which the left abhors anyway since the State is more qualified to educate and protect the child anyway. Abortion dehumanizes the fetus but even better it asks what relation a baby has to a fetus and so on. Abortion for the Left is a means to an end.



Abortion in case of rape and incest is an outlier. It doesn&#039;t show there is a reason to think abortion is a positive. It just piles horror upon horror.


I can also give a scenario where the Left will forbid abortion and I believe it will happen in our lifetime. A moslem rapes a non-moslem and moslems protest that the desire to abort is due to islamophobia and racism. Pay off a few key politicians, college professors and professional feminists and suddenly the worst thing that could happen would be that the victim would abort the fetus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you are wrong on this. A fetus is completely different than a sperm or egg cell. It may not be able to hire a lawyer and represent itself in court but it will do the fundamental thing that the adult body will do. It will create differentiated cells that will allow it to be a complete, integrated functional organism. It is fully developed in that sense and can not be discounted as a human. Do I become somehow less human if I am in a coma? I doubt it.</p>
<p>With that said there is a libertarian argument for abortion and that is how much the state gets a say. The truth is although I know abortion to be terribly wrong I am not at ease with police or prosecutors who are comfortable pulling a screwed up teenager off of an abortionists table and would prefer that kind of law enforcement. There are enough animals out there for real police work and I&#8217;d hate to have the kind of cops who would rather focus on pregnant teens instead of thugs. The cops I have known would prefer that they deal with violent crime and not social issues..</p>
<p>The problem is that the Left isn&#8217;t arguing about the limits of the state at all. What it is saying is that we should be applauding abortion. That a woman&#8217;s will to economic success is more important than whatever other biological qualities she may have. Qualities which the left abhors anyway since the State is more qualified to educate and protect the child anyway. Abortion dehumanizes the fetus but even better it asks what relation a baby has to a fetus and so on. Abortion for the Left is a means to an end.</p>
<p>Abortion in case of rape and incest is an outlier. It doesn&#8217;t show there is a reason to think abortion is a positive. It just piles horror upon horror.</p>
<p>I can also give a scenario where the Left will forbid abortion and I believe it will happen in our lifetime. A moslem rapes a non-moslem and moslems protest that the desire to abort is due to islamophobia and racism. Pay off a few key politicians, college professors and professional feminists and suddenly the worst thing that could happen would be that the victim would abort the fetus.</p>
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		<title>By: nomoretraitors</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also the same people who will whine and cry about &quot;cruel and unusual punishment&quot; every time a murdering thug is executed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also the same people who will whine and cry about &#8220;cruel and unusual punishment&#8221; every time a murdering thug is executed</p>
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