Taqiyya and Blasphemy Laws in the UK

plIn British law, race and religion are increasingly becoming deliberately confused for the purpose of accusing critics of Islam of racism.

A soccer fan was recently arrested on suspicion of inciting racial hatred after allegedly ripping up pages of the Qur’an and throwing them at a match. While on bail, he was also banned from attending any football games, visiting St Andrew’s — the stadium of the incident — and going to any city where his team, Middlesbrough, was playing.

Insults against Islam are taken very seriously in Britain, and the world of soccer is particularly sensitive to them. After the incident, the Middlesbrough Football Club suspended six more people and vowed to ban anyone convicted of the “crime” from the Riverside Stadium, its home ground, for life.

A Middlesbrough club spokesman said it operates on a “zero tolerance policy” towards all forms of discrimination, and supports football’s pledge to “eradicate racism in all its forms.”

Nobody could answer the question of what “race” Islam is. Muslims belong to all races, including white. But we know that the word “racism” has lost its original sense, and indeed any sense.

Originally the concept of racism had a place and an important role in both ethical and political discourses.

Now, it’s best avoided because it’s lost its positive characteristics, its usefulness, and has instead become a tool for intolerance, intimidation, restriction of freedom of speech and other freedoms: in short, a means of oppression.

The 19th-century German philosopher Gottlob Frege, one of the founders of modern logic, distinguished between the two dimensions of a concept: its meaning (or reference) and its sense.

The meaning or denotation is the class of objects to which the concept refers, while the sense or connotation is the concept’s descriptive qualities.

There is an inverse proportion between the two: the larger the meaning, the narrower the sense and vice versa.

A concept like “universe,” just because it has as reference an all-including class of objects, has practically no sense, in that it has very little descriptive, or delimitative, power.

Defining a word means exactly that: giving it borders that restrict it and in so doing make it precise.

Since the word “racism” has started being used to refer to many attitudes, behaviors and ideas that have little or nothing to do with racism in the strict sense, its meaning has become progressively larger and larger, correspondingly decreasing its sense.

When today I hear about someone or something being called “racist,” I hardly ever believe that it’s true. The likeliest explanation, I think to myself, is either yet another case of excessive political correctness or a personal attack. The descriptive capability of the term has gotten lost or at least has dramatically eroded.

There is at the moment a worrying trend: what has for a long time been a common Leftist ploy — the shouting of “racist” to shut down any criticism of Islam — is now on its way to being enshrined in British law.

The soccer case is one example of this attempt. Another is what’s happening to Tim Burton, the Radio Officer of the party Liberty GB, which will contest the May 22 European Parliament Elections for Britain (donations to help with the election campaign are welcome).

Burton will appear at Birmingham Magistrates’ Court, England, on April 8, charged with racially aggravated harassment for a few tweets in which he called prominent British Muslim Fiyaz Mujhal “a mendacious grievance-mongering taqiyya-artist.”

Mujhal, founder and director of the organisation Tell MAMA (Measuring Anti-Muslim Attacks), was exposed by The Telegraph newspaper last year for having massaged some facts and figures about “anti-Muslim attacks” following the Woolwich murder of soldier Lee Rigby. For this and other discrepancies between police official figures of anti-Muslim crimes and the inflated ones of Tell MAMA, the organisation, which had received £375,000 from the UK government, had its public funding discontinued.

The obvious paradox here is that Tell MAMA, clearly in desperate search for “Islamophobic” crimes that could justify its requests for public funds, didn’t find a sufficient number of them of a serious enough nature. So, first it exaggerated them both quantitatively and qualitatively, calling “attacks” simple posts on Facebook and other social media. Then, when this manipulation had become well known, it used the same tactic against the people, like Tim, who called the bluff, in a self-perpetuating cycle.

Burton’s trial is very worrying for anyone who holds dear freedom of speech and basic civil liberties. One of the worrisome aspects is the conflating of “religion” with “race.” Tim Burton is accused of racially aggravated harassment for tweets concerning Islam. Not only is Islam clearly not a race and Muslims can and do belong to all races, but also the UK’s Crown Prosecution Service considers those two charges (racially- and religiously-aggravated crimes) as distinct and separate ones.

The Crown Prosecution Service, though, despite officially paying lip service to this distinction, in Tim Burton’s case is trying to conflate the two because it does not have sufficient ground to get a conviction on the “religiously aggravated” charge, which requires stronger evidence, so has decided to prosecute using the easier “racially aggravated” one.

As the CPS’s own website says, it is “more difficult to prosecute for inciting religious hatred as opposed to racial hatred.”

The attempt to “racialise Muslims” clearly exists but not, as Tell MAMA says, on the part of Liberty GB. It exists on the part of British Islam apologists and their allies, the politically correct establishment.

Since there are no blasphemy laws in the UK and criticism of any religion, including Islam, is theoretically tolerated, only two alternatives are left to British Muslims who want to protect Islam from the expression of the uncomfortable truths of its supremacist and violent nature. One is to invoke the introduction of a blasphemy law; the other, subtler and more effective, is to turn existing equality, anti-racist, “hate crime” laws into a sharia-style blasphemy law.

The Macpherson Report, which followed the murder of black teenager Stephen Lawrence in London in 1993, reached the conclusion that the British police force is “institutionally racist” and, with the alleged intent of redressing the balance, established that absolutely anything perceived by a “victim” as a racist incident is de facto a racist incident: simple perception becomes legal reality, whether it’s true or not.

This makes the endeavor to legally treat anti-Islam criticism as racist even more dangerous, as it may render it subject to the ruling of the Macpherson Report.

An attempt had previously been made by the Labour government, when the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 was passed, to formulate it in such a way that it could criminalize the criticism of Islam, the Quran and Muhammad. This was made impossible by the opposition of the Catholic Church and the Church of England, as well as various evangelical Christian groups which threatened to use this law against the Quran, which is full to the brim with incitements to religious hatred. Therefore the bill had to be amended.

But what went out legally by the door of Parliamentary procedure is now being reintroduced surreptitiously through the window of the politically correct law enforcement and prosecution establishment.

This is why Liberty GB will hold a public protest outside the courthouse and considers this trial crucially important.

The point of the Liberty GB campaign is, firstly, to show to the British and Western public what taqiyya – lying to infidels for the good of Islam — is and to show the whole nature of Islam in relation to non-Muslims through it. For this reason, Islam scholar Professor Hans Jansen is scheduled to appear at the trial and give evidence as an expert witness on taqiyya. We’ve christened this a “taqiyya trial.”

Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, the goal is to defend free speech and stop the effective use of anti-racist legislation as blasphemy laws.

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  • wileyvet

    Britain had better wake up real fast. How could they have allowed 2.7 million Muslims to infest their country? How can their leaders be so clueless when they see Muslims in the streets with signs calling for Sharia to rule England? It is simply unbelievable that the west is committing cultural suicide, by bowing to Islam, and contemplating the elimination or extreme curtailment of the most important components of a free society; freedom of thought, speech and conscience. The reason the Islamic world is a crap hole is precisely because they lack these elements. Fourteen centuries of mind numbing, cultural conditioning in a violent, intellect sapping, stultifying intolerant supremacist religious dogma has created the Muslim mindset of today. This is what we are importing. This is what we are supposed to respect. What kind of religion endorses death to people who wish to leave it? What kind of religion forbids another to proselytize by pain of death? What kind of religion punishes by death the questioning of its founder or tenets thereof with draconian blasphemy laws? Only the “religion of peace”. Only Islam does these things. The more the west self censors itself to appease Muslims, the closer we come to accepting rule by Sharia, and one step closer to Dhimmitude. Feel yourself subdued and thank the Muslim for your rights and protection from Islam.

    • nicky

      Its our own fault. Wilful ignorance and cowardly tolerance of intolerance.

      • Demetrius Minneapolis

        Nicky, if you’re in the UK, I’m thinking and praying for you and those like you. Stay safe and alert because it’s only going to get worse.

        • Edward E

          If diversity isn’t forced, why is there affirmative action & racial employment quotas?

          If diversity isn’t forced, why aren’t White people allowed to vote to
          stop mass non-White immigration in EVERY & ONLY White countries?

          If diversity isn’t forced, why is assimilation of non-Whites in EVERY & ONLY White communities forced?

          “Diversity” is a codeword for White geNOcide.

          Anti-Racist is a codeword for Anti-White.

          • kikorikid

            Yes, Diversity Ideology has been instrumental
            in pointing out the “Politically Correct” path.
            D.I. is an ideology of oppression against Whites,
            in general, and White Males, specifically. It
            will continue until White-Males decide to throw
            off this boot of oppression. Everything in
            Diversity ideology is anti-White. Under Hitler
            the Aryan Supremacy Model offered that
            the White race was perfect. Under Diversity
            everybody but Whites are perfect, Whites are
            racists. Diversity,a really racist ideology.

    • mark

      camerloon and boris johnson are cousins… they also have muslims in their ancestry.

      I used to think that tony b liar would go down in history as the biggest traitor britain ever had…. stay tuned to see if it ends up being cameron.

    • 2wotvet

      Wrong. The Islamic world is a ‘crap hole’ today because every time it came
      close to developing a free society, other countries, including Western ones,
      stepped in to stop it. Iran had a democratically elected government in the
      1950s, but it was disposed of by the US and replaced with a despot that paved the way for the Islamic Republic. Egypt was a prosperous regional power with a huge educated middle class in the 1880s, but England invaded and turned it into a colony. Afghanistan was the most advanced and peaceful countries in the entire Islamic world in the 1960s and 1970s, but then the Soviet Union invaded.

      • wileyvet

        Islam cannot produce a free society. It never has throughout its history. One of the reasons it seemingly reformed in the 19th century was the pressure brought to bear by European powers to end things like, slavery, and the discriminatory Conditions of Omar within the crumbling Ottoman Empire. Said Empire was imploding and looked to the west for ideas and lasted for about 100 years from mid 1800 to the mid 1900’s as illustrated by the Ataturk reforms in Turkey. Islam is an all encompassing dogma, that can never be questioned, only mindless adherence and submission to it. This is not what has produced our modern ideas of liberty, and freedom. All cultures are not equal, nor equally productive. You simply cannot have two diametrically opposite ideas and arrive at the same result. The only reason that Egypt and other ME countries had anything modern, like railroads, the telegraph, ports, a Common Law legal system, and an education system that taught anything besides Islam is precisely because the European powers introduced them. You now have every Muslim country turning back inwards, calling for stricter adherence to the Sharia, which then restricts freedom and prevents rational enquiry creating even more harshness, and the spiral is set in motion. You can try to obfuscate the Muslim violence by excuses such as Colonialism, Imperialism, Zionism, but the fact is Islam at its core is intellectually and morally bankrupt and does not promote the same values for life, liberty, equality, and freedom of conscience nor does it produce the creative energy that has given rise to the modern world. Islam is the problem with the Islamic world and now Islam is a problem in the western world. It is not a clash of civilizations, as much as it is a clash between civilization and barbarism. The choices we make now will determine whether we continue to progress and live as a free people, or regress and live as subjects of an Islamic Caliphate paying the Jizya.

      • Drakken

        Muslims like you will soon invite our western wrath, your Islamic culture is a bane, blight and abomination upon mans existence. The weaker we in the west are becoming, only means that someone will come along that is strong, it is the nature of all things, and when that happens, the hidden Western DNA of conquer and kill will come out to play with a vengeance not seen in a millennia, God won’t help you when it does happen, but the Devil will welcome you and yours will open arms and a smile.

    • Julius

      Neither muslim or islam are a religion nor race ! Its all BULLSHIT for these barbaric vermin ! And WHAT DO WE DO TO VERMIN, yes we send for the EXTERMINATOR ! WE TERMINATE ALL VERMIN for health and hygiene reasons. SO WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR ?

    • Momo Luvy

      to late, Britain is a muslim country UK Man Arrested For Criticizing Islam

  • Softly Bob

    You can’t change the color of your skin but you can change what you believe in.
    Anybody can be an infidel today and a Muslim tomorrow.
    If criticizing Islam is racist then so is criticizing Catholicism, Scientology, Jehovah’s Witnesses, even Freemasonry. You can even stretch this list to include the Mafia.
    Without freedom to criticize there is no freedom of speech. Nobody therefore should anybody ever be accused of racism because they criticize a religious or political ideology.

  • The Amazing Racist

    Maybe the islam is a kind of race….after all, it’s been attracting low life scum for 1400 years, so perhaps all that criminal/coward/cretin DNA makes the ummah in general, and muslims in particular, some kind of sub species, with the emphasis on the sub.

  • The Facts

    What is the deal with Enza Ferreri using ancient pictures of her 20 year old self at her blogs, Twitter accounts, and articles, when in reality she is as dismal and shriveled as her writing? What is with the “appearance taqiyya?” It is quite Luciferian. It connotes beauty and truth, but it denotes vanity and bitterness. Also, she too, like Ms. Darwish has whipped out the Marxist semiotics in order to deconstruct the word “racism” in order to practice it with greater intellectual impunity. You must assume a not very savvy audience.

    • Gladstone

      Your posts get weirder all the time.

      • Jake-a-runi


      • Habbgun

        The Facts is an Occupy bucket crapper trying to sound intellectual. He’s more inbred than a one celled animal.

    • Softly Bob

      I’ve already told you to change your name to “The Lies”. Now go away you deluded individual.

    • Tut Ankh Amon

      Fuck Islam

      • The Facts

        Why not go tell a Muslim?

        • Drakken

          Come play.

          • The Facts

            Play what? I’m an adult.

          • Drakken

            You know you want to join your little ragheaded buddies, come on princess.

  • Davros11

    I agree with “THE Amazing Racist” they do seem to attract scum and middle-ages mentality, I think we should just go toe-to-toe already and get it over with!

    • Z-Force

      Let’s use the super-secret ultra-weapons!

      • mark

        The best weapon against islam and muslims is the truth, starting with the truth about what their own mainstream islamic books teach (quran, hadith and sira (life of muhamad)).

        These expose every single lie the muslims constantly use and highlight the demonic evil nature of islam and its followers

        • Drakken

          The best weapon against islam is the sword, it is going to come to that one way or another, it is now inevitable.

  • 11johnmac66

    Islam is plainly incompatible with liberal democracy and is in violation of the most fundamental human right…freedom of conscience ( That they hold it punishable by death to leave the cult and kill any of its critics ) It is this simple grasp of facts that we anti-Islamists must use to expose the Islamic threat to free societies.

  • BagLady

    Insults against Islam are taken very seriously in Britain, and the world
    of soccer is particularly sensitive to them. After the incident, the
    Middlesbrough Football Club suspended six more people and vowed to ban
    anyone convicted of the “crime” from the Riverside Stadium, its home
    ground, for life.

    Well tough titty. Our football teams spend a great deal of time writing clever ditties that dig as deep as they can between the ribs of the opposition. It’s all part of the sport. Fighting has always been a side effect of football as the working men get drunk after a match and fall out over the outcome.

    There is no room for political correctness in our lives.

    • Drakken

      Today we fight amongst ourselves, tomorrow we will be fighting the foreigners and their Quisling sympathizers.

  • Jake-a-runi

    Is it possible the crown is framing its “case” against Mister Burton upon an absurdity in order to sabotage it? I have no clue as to the why; I’m not sure of the what.

  • James Keir Baughman

    Sadly, for Labour Party reasons like this, Merrie Olde England has shrunk (plunged) from world power back to a handful of tiny islands with “subjects” squabbling among themselves and kneeling for welfare before a government which has become virtually Communist. Minorities have America headed that way unless those of us who still believe in freedom stand fast, mean, and tough.

    • Michael Copeland

      A Police State now:

      *** BREAKING NEWS *** SHARE and LIKE!
      Last night, at 1am, 10 uniformed police officers visited an address looking for chairman Paul Golding. We cannot speculate at this stage why they were looking for Mr Golding,


  • snafubar

    The next time a Christophobic hater defaces a Bible he/she should be charged with a racial hate crime.

  • Softly Bob

    Let us remind ourselves once again that it’s not quite over yet for Britain:


  • nagesha

    Here’s my song called ‘Taqiyya Dance:


  • bruce lorraine

    The Brits are in an exceedingly stupid way appeasing themselves into a corner surrounded by islamic supremacy & in 30 years or so Britain will be part of the new eurabia caliphate with Brits forced to convert, submit or die. And at some point when the muslim population grows large enough the ethnic cleansing will begin.
    Here in America we’re headed in the same direction only a decade or so behind the Brits & with our as clown-in-chief giving away control of the internet I’ll live to see a day where Americans who will not submit to the coming blasphemy laws will be confined.
    I will not submit, I will not go quietly into that long night, they can kiss my AIrish ass.

  • bruce lorraine

    The Brits are in an exceedingly stupid way appeasing themselves into a
    corner surrounded by islamic supremacy & in 30 years or so Britain
    will be part of the new eurabia caliphate with Brits forced to convert,
    submit or die. And at some point when the muslim population grows large
    enough the ethnic cleansing will begin.
    Here in America we’re headed
    in the same direction only a decade or so behind the Brits & with
    our as * clown-in-chief giving away control of the internet I’ll live to
    see a day where Americans who will not submit to the coming blasphemy
    laws will be confined.
    I will not submit, I will not go quietly into that long night, they can kiss my Irish as.

    The Buddhists in Myanmar have the right idea. Appeasement & legislation will never work. The Brits should follow their example.

    • Drakken

      What is happening in Burma is only a glimmer of what is to come in the west, only we are much better at eliminating folks who displeases us. If people thought the Serbs were bad, you ain’t seen nothing yet and it won’t be in 30 years time, we are at the tipping point and all it is going to take now, is for someone or an event to push the whole rotten mess over to begin a Balkans on steroids.

      • bruce lorraine

        I only used the 30 year ime period ’cause that’s what I hear from the so called experts. I’m surprised the Brits have’t yet taken to the streets with baseball bats & machetes & dealt with the problem as the government is at best limp wristed in dealing with the issue.
        Back in the 50’s in San Francisco when I was a kid neighborhood fathers took care of problems that the police couldn’t or wouldn’t. Vigilante justice I know but fathers bound mostly by their own conscience usually did the right thing. Where are the neighborhood fathers in GB in regards to the rape gangs that focus on young girls? I like to see that kind of commitment from Brit fathers, brothers, uncles, etc.

        • Drakken

          It but takes a little thing to make it a very big thing.

          • bruce lorraine

            Agreed but are the British strong enough to outlaw islamic political organizations, close mosques? Can the Brits put aside their political correctness and multiculturalism in order to save themselves? Right now even America isn’t capable of that.
            When the Brits and American’s get to the place where the meat meets the metal, when islam has attacked us at home with one to many Belsan massacres well maybe then steps will be taken. But until then it will be more show than anything else unless the people rise up like the Buddhists in Myanmar.

          • Drakken

            It is always darkest before the dawn my friend, things will get much worse before the blinders, disbelief and the fog of our own decadence comes crashes down into brutal reality. Yes we will have a Beslan or another islamic atrocity before too much longer, or some muslim will rape the wrong mans daughter/sister/wife and retribution will be at hand.
            In the US, as the economy worsens and society in general becomes more tribal, people who live outside major cities don’t have a problem when push comes to shove of taking care of their own.

          • bruce lorraine


        • Michael Copeland

          Have a look at Britain First. They are acting.


          • bruce lorraine

            Yes I’m aware, finally the bulldog is waking from his slumber but is it enough. Are the Brits going to be able to stem the muslim hoard with shouting matches in the streets and half assed attempts at legislation?
            If that’s all that Britain has in it’s arsenal it’s doomed, islam won’t stand still. With the birth rates of muslims vs. natives the outcome is the same, it just takes longer.

  • Drakken

    The die is now cast, the govt of Britain will get their pound of flesh from those who question the status quo. Today they have silenced the peoples voices, tomorrow they will hear the sound of rifles as a response. This now ends only one way, for islam cannot be fought with words, but with the sword, and only now are people beginning to see it. When you ask for the Devil to appear, the Devil will appear.

  • EamonnDublin

    As far as the media is concerned, criticising Islam is racist, but criticising Christianity, Judaism, etc., is Great Stuff Altogether!

  • Joe The Gentile

    New Definition: A ‘racist’ is a conservative who is winning an argument with a leftist.

  • http://geoffreybritain.wordpress.com/ Geoffrey_Britain

    The UK (and much of Europe) is a self initiated experiment in cultural suicide. Arguably, it’s noble of them to provide an object lesson, to others, in an entire culture embracing cultural suicide.

    2030 – that’s when we take over” – a popular t-shirt worn by Muslim youth in Sweden.

    • BagLady

      Ha Ha. It takes a lot more that a t-shirt to “take over” the universal mindset.


        It takes a socialist media, socialist educators, socialist lawmakers to “take over” a country.

        Which is exactly what has happened to the UK.

  • herb benty

    The British Leftist elite has freedom on the edge of a knife. Interesting how these same Leftist elites are simultaneously doing the same thing in Canada, the U.S.A., Australia and the rest of the EU. Global subtrefuge.

    • BagLady

      You are right. It is global subterfuge on such a grand scale it has left us all confused. You point at the British ‘Left’ and they point to the right. Tony Blair’s New Labour bore no relation to Old Labour and could never be called ‘Left’. He threw the doors open to all comers to drive down the cost of labour and filled the country to the point the little island has become one of the most overcrowded countries in the world. Amazingly when the Right took over with its entourage of Public school boys (Eton mostly), they made no attempt whatsoever to shut the doors and, in fact, threw them even wider to welcome Romania! They now need a new city the size of Manchester to cope with this recent influx.

      It stands to reason that the more crowded we become the more we will fight. It will be necessary, therefore to deprive us of some of our ‘freedoms’ for the sake of the community as a whole. No room for individuality in such situations.

      • herb benty

        Blair and Cameron’s “Leftism” may not be sterling in your opinion, however they are both Progressives, on par with Obama and Hillary. Removing Liberty for one, is removing Liberty for all. A free America holds Individuality paramount. Your Media Matters totalitarianism is showing. Have a nice day.

        • BagLady

          “My media matters totalitarianism”?

          How you came to such a conclusion is quite amazing.

          What I suggest is that individualism decreases with each and every addition to your society. It stands to reason that when humans reach ‘herd’ proportions, they have to be treated as sheep lest they run amok.

          It’s not long now before you have your next TV extravaganza that is the ‘democratic’ Presidential elections. Obama will be gone and I wait, with baited breath, to see the upturn in all your fortunes.

          • herb benty

            Do you even think about what you type? So,you say, if a child is born that decreases my freedom? Sanger would have loved you, of course that’s crazy. The MORE free people, the LESS we need government. PEOPLE create jobs, PEOPLE care for other people, although you are probably too young to remember. I would not doubt for 1 minute that the Democrats never lose another election, what with their “Jimmeyed” voting machines, multiple voting by 1 person, busloads of illegals voting etc. My “fortune” is in Heaven, where rust and moths can’t touch it. America quickly became the preeminint Nation on Earth because of INDIVIDUALS free to pursue their dreams, something the world had never allowed. The Progressives will do everything in their power to see that never happens again. I am at peace with whatever happens, I “look for a city whose Builder and Maker is God”.

      • Drakken

        You fucking communists no matter what, do try communism in the hopes that you will get it right this time, and ignore history. All wishful thinking and kumbaya sessions you hold, will not stop the fact that you ignorant Brits are on your way to a Balkans on steroids, and you will have brought it upon yourselves.

  • Ho Hum

    And in Ontario we now have a new law against “promoting hatred against Muslims”

    Last week , Eric Brazau was sentenced to 9 months in prison for “promoting hatred of Muslims” . The charges stemmed from two occasions when when he was arrested for handing out flyers and holding up signs inscribed with passages from the Quran.

    In the first arrest Brazau was protesting the publication of a book by a Muslim scholar that endorsed wife beating. In the second arrest Brazau was protesting a mural which called for jihad in Arabic (paid for by our tax dollars). If you protest against these things you are “promoting hatred of Muslims”.

    You would think that in a country like Canada where citizens cherish their freedoms (or what we perceive to be our freedoms) that the sentencing to prison of a man who was simply exercising his freedom of speech would cause outrage but there was not even a ripple.

    We should all hope that Brazau gets a good lawyer and his sentence is overturned. As it is now in Ontario – anyone who is critical of Sharia law and Muslims can be arrested and can be sent to prison.


    • BagLady

      I am of the opinion that you have laws that protect Jews from such flagrant racist, abusive, offensive language. Do you have a problem with that?

      If we replace the name Mohammed with, say, Buddha and the religion with Buddhism, would the man have been allowed to stand in a public place and speak in such uncouth rabble rousing language? I doubt it. Let’s keep things in perspective.

      Ripping pages out of holy books and giving the strings of interpreted words literal meaning is hardly the product of a learnéd man’s contemplation.

      For instance. Only in the west is there the love-sex-marriage scenario. In the east, marriage is a financial arrangement born out of hardship – no room for sentimentality. The fact that Mohammed took Ayisha as a wife at such a young age does not necessarily mean there was a sexual relationship. He was hardly starved of wifely comforts after all.

      Granted, the age of ‘consent’ was much younger in the desert in those days — and still is in most of India — but was almost always at puberty. The lifespan of your average man didn’t get much past 40 and, since the Book demands he “must have many sons” there is no time to waste.

      We have public order laws everywhere. They are in everyone’s interest and guard against violence. We are too many now to have people like this cretinous, ill-educated ruffian creating chaos in the fold.

      • Softly Bob

        The voice of pitiful ignorance speaks.

        • BagLady

          Go on Bob. Is that it; one sweeping statement? Surely you can do better than that.

          • Softly Bob

            Ok. Firstly, it is not slander by any means to tell the truth. Mohammed was indeed a rapist, murderer, liar and thief. The Muslim scriptures say so. Muslims just don’t like that when you point it out.
            You compare all of this to insulting Buddha which is not the same thing. Nor is it the same thing as insulting Jesus.
            Nobody is insulting Mohammed by criticising his words or his actions. It would be an insult if they accused him of doing anything that contradicts the truth, and falsify Muslim scripture.
            Your issue with the age of consent is also a typical Muslim apologetic. Mohammed married Aisha at the age of nine and consummated the marriage when she was nine-years old. Mohammed also said that it was ok for a man to marry a baby (again, confirmed by Muslim scripture).
            This is pedophilia in my book and I don’t make the excuse of hardship or poverty to blame for it.

      • Ho Hum

        You must be from “Great” Britain Bag-lady because you obviously have no concept of free speech.

        • BagLady

          There is no such thing as total freedom. Don’t be so naive.


            Britain tolerates Hate Speech from Islamofascists,

            but prosecutes Hate Speech from non-Islamist Brits.

            How about one standard that applies to all people?

            Or is the UK totally subservient to Islamism and Socialism?

            Sadly there will be more Lee Rigby’s in the UK.

      • Alby

        You’re such a fool, “Baglady” or “The Facts” or whatever you call yourself. Always the same disconnected stream of lies and absurdities with you, innit?

        “If we replace…” WTF? There are no Buddhist grooming gangs, which is the main reason that decent Brits despise the islam.

        “giving the strings of interpreted words literal meaning…” WTF? Haven’t you read it????

        “doesn’t mean there was a sexual relationship…” WTF? Haven’t you read the relevant ahadith? She was NINE when he deflowered her.

        Your idiocies wouldn’t even fly on CiF on the Guardian these days. Just stop.

        • BagLady

          Things change but always stay the same.

          Life was short in the days of Mohammed and not very sweet when you lived under a tent with no water. There was no concept of the western ‘happy’ childhood Those halcyon days when one ran wild without a care, playing with your toys until Mother called you in for supper. In the real world’ once you are on your feet and can speak, you are ready to take your place in the working population.

          If you want a taste of how it was then, take yourself off to, say, the Thar Desert. You might go home with a less dogmatic opinion.

          Why would I be The Facts? I’m sure he can speak for himself without melding with me.

          and, no. I am not supporting Islam here, just trying to keep a level head amongst a bunch of hate-mongers and suggesting an egalitarian approach to the law of the land.

          • Joz

            You don’t know what you’re on about.

            Aisha played with dolls and swings, like any other child. And the dog muhammad loved that, like all nonces.
            Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah: When I got married, Allah’s Apostle said to me, “What type of lady have you married?” I replied, “I have married a matron’ He said, “Why, don’t you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?” Jabir also said: Allah’s Apostle said, “Why didn’t you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?’

            Sahih Bukhari 7:62:17

          • Alby

            Patronizing and ignorant.


            BagLady is an ideal regressive progressive.

          • Kayleigh

            F off to Harry’s Place then, Mrs. Level Head.

      • De Doc

        I smell BS apologetics. Thuggery to ‘preserve public order’ is what you advocate and sooner or later the worm will turn its eye to you.

        Muslimsare not a race – they are members of a religion and come from all variety of genetic and cultural backgrounds. Islam is not a race – it is a religious ideology that, unfortunately, refuses to be reformed and join the 21st century. Designating Muslims or Islam as ‘race’ is a version of Orwellian New Speak and nothing more. Eric Blair must be turning in his grave!

        Your defense of the Aisha story is also ridiculous and proves that you know nothing about Islam’s sacred texts and traditions. Several Hadiths attest to Aisha’s age at consummation – 9 years old. Countless modern day imams and Islamic scholars use this as evidence to defend the practice of childhood marriage and rape. Unless you propose your own definition of ‘consummated’ I don’t think your flimsy argument stands a chance.

        And what is this silliness about desert dwelling cultures having young sexual partners? Where did you find this? Some bullshit Islamic website I’m guessing. We know next to NOTHING about the sexual practices of desert dwelling Arabs from the 7th c. CE except through the biased lenses of Islamic writers. By the way the vast majority of Muhammad’s biography places him in towns, not the high desert. The fantasy that he was some ‘puritanical’ Bedouin is a Western invention, concocted by historically illiterate dopes like yourself. Muhammad lived in settled towns and was a product of a community engaged in agriculture and trade.

        What ‘Book’ are you referencing? The Hebrew scriptures? New Testament? Quran? If men of this bizarre desert world you reference were impelled to produce lots of sons, then Muhammad was an abject failure, since all of his male offspring died before birth (according to Islamic tradition). A bit strange I’d say!

        Your pseudonymn is appropos. Like the proverbial, crazy bag lady you rant word salads and silliness. And the only person who takes you seriously is the nutjob looking back in the mirror.

  • Ho Hum

    In Canada speaking the truth about Islam will land you in prison.


  • Simon Timothy

    When you say something against Islam, it becomes ‘racism’. But when you murder a Christian, it is not seen as racism at all! You can say any thing against Christ Jesus, but they are all researches and discoveries!

  • Tradecraft46

    It’s is their country let them please themselves, and if they finally disappear, well it is no ones fault but their own.

    The problem is cultural with a blind respect for authority trumping love and decency: let them go to the pit.

  • Allah is Dead

    islam is cancer


    Unless Britain manages to deport the Muslims they made a horrific mistake in allowing to enter the country, Britain will be completely ruled by the Muslims within a few years. If I lived in Britain, I would either start a revolution against the present government and rid the country of Muslims, or I would get the hell out while the getting is good.

  • knowshistory

    the uk has offered itself as an example of what happens to a nation that allows the importation and coddling of their muslim archenemies. we can only hope that other nations learn from watching the genocide of the infidel population of uk, and that it happens soon enough to be useful to the rest of the world. thanks, noble uk citizens, for submitting to genocide to show us the error of our ways.

  • UK Infidel

    The good news is that Tim Burton was found not guilty in Birmingham today…..

    Freedom of speech prevails.

  • Momo Luvy
  • Drakken

    Need a tissue? A shoulder to cry upon? Maybe some self esteem therapy? Possibly mommy didn’t give you a cookie and tell you how special you really are? Your a circle jerk of an argument and your the pivot man.

  • Drakken

    Oh what’s the matter peter puffer? Get your little precious feelings hurt? You are a whiny little progressive bitch, good luck with that in the future, princess.