Hip-Hop Celebrates Ambition — and Shows Why O’Reilly Should Think Again

american-flag[Read Ronn Torossian’s two-part series on why hip-hop and Jay-Z are worthy of America’s respect, here and here.]

Editors’ note: Hip-hop goes in-your-face to grievance-mongers, stands up for honest work and for self-esteem through earned income, puts down the anti-One Percenters and the welfare hustlers, celebrates ambition and shows why O’Reilly should think again:

“All these bitches and niggas still hatin’
I used to be ballin’ but now I Bill Gate’n
I got a list full of problems, I’ll tend to them later
Life is a bitch, but I appreciate her”
-Lil’ Wayne

“I used to roll up, this is a hold up, ain’t nothing funny
Stop smiling, be still, don’t nothing move but the money
But now I learned to earn cause I’m righteous
I feel great, so maybe I might just
Search for a 9 to 5, if I strive
Then maybe I’ll stay alive”
-Eric B and Rakim

“Got everything, I got everything
I cannot complain, I cannot
I don’t even know how much I really made, I forgot, it’s a lot
Fuck that, never mind what I got, nigga don’t watch that cause I
Came up, that’s all me, stay true, that’s all me
No help, that’s all me, all me for real”
-Drake

“They tryna blackball me, they say I get too much money
They want my name from me because they know what it do
They say I’m A-Rod, nigga, cause I got the juice
They tryna blackball me, went and bought a Ghost as a coupe”
-Future

“How you a man waitin’ for the next man to get rich?
Yo’ plan is to stick out yo’ hand real quick?
So if he feed ya family and he serve you shit
Then he need that head you get and he deserve your bitch
Since you wishin’ cash fall from the sky all ya life
Dwellin’ on the past when you was alright”
-Nas

“Hmmmmmmmmmmm, now what’s a title to fit me?
A champ like Tyson, a Captain like Kirk, no
Employee of the Month, cause yo, I do work”
-Big Daddy Kane

“Baby I’m a boss, I don’t know what they do
I don’t get dropped, I drop the label
World can’t hold me, too much ambition
Always knew it’d be like this when I was in the kitchen”
-Jay-Z

“Break records at Louis, ate breakfast at Gucci
My girl a superstar all from a home movie
Bow on our arrival – the un-American idols
What niggas did in Paris, got ‘em hanging off the Eiffel
Yeah I’m talking business, we talking CIA
I’m talking George Tenet, I seen him the other day
He asked me about my Maybach, think he had the same
Except mine tinted and his might have been rented
You know white people get money, don’t spend it
Or maybe they get money, buy a business
I rather buy 80 gold chains and go ign’ant
I know Spike Lee gone kill me but let me finish”
-Kanye West

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  • Mike

    Fuck off already and take your hiphop trash with you.

  • romeo87

    wtf is this BS? This hiphop crap has been going on for twenty years and is directly responsible for the mess the american culture has become. Fk Off!

    • laura r

      35yrs. in the old days it was good. now the good ones are unheard.

      • Fudge

        It was never good.

        • laura r

          depends. if you lke gospol & spoken word you may like oldskool hiphop. its a matter of taste.

  • truebearing

    Thanks for proving my point about the narcissism of hiphop. There are more “I’s” and “me’s” in these lyrics than in an Obama speech.

    • Naresh Krishnamoorti

      Ronn is neither a conservative, nor even a libertarian. He’s a caricature of what Progressives believe conservatives to be: someone who celebrates self-obsessed narcissistic ambition as the greatest good and who believes that all liberals are welfare-dependent parasites.
      In Ronn’s deranged worldview, George Soros and Bill and Hillary Clinton should be embraced by conservatives because they’re wealthy, self-obsessed, narcissistic, and ambitious.

      • bob smith

        Bang on!

        Ronn is a self-absorbed, pusher of shit, it is what he does for a living…as soon as he has spewed enough of his pro-hip-hop shit here, he will delve ears deep into some hip hop recording shit’s ass and come out, shit on shoulders, with a new contract.

        FUCK YOU RONN AND IF FPM KEEPS THIS SHIT UP, I AM NOT RETURNING TO THIS SITE.

        WITH HIM AND KLEIN OF LATE THIS IS BECOMING A PROGRESSIVE FREAK SHOW!

  • ping

    Just what conservatism needs, more crass materialism. Next we’ll be hearing about how “fuck the police” is a celebration of second amendment rights, and a warning against big government and politically correct hiring practices. And what’s with the Kanye verse? I hope FPM knows that ” girl a superstar all from a home movie” is referring to pornography!

  • DogmaelJones1

    Hip-hop is consciously ugly, nihilistic, and communicates the menace of thuggery. It is a challenge to a physical fight, and dares anyone to shut it up. It celebrates illiteracy, “Blacklish” and “Ebonics.” It has the esthetics of a pile driver, but there’s an excuse for a pile driver making an ear-splitting racket. It discards or eschews music – never mind melody – and gives the middle finger to any kind of civilized discourse. This article argues for “conservatives” to “get with it” and nod their heads in time with the monotonous beat while some punk is shouting obscenities into their ears and move like jerky automatons. No, hip-hop isn’t Rachmaninoff, or
    Offenbach, or even the Beatles. It doesn’t even try to say that it’s the equal of those genres. It simply rejects them. It’s a nightstick pounding one’s head to a pulp. This article is a pathetic and desperate attempt to make conservatism
    “relevant,” but what it really is, is a surrender to barbarism.

    • Mister B

      Very good comments. “Life imitates art far more than art imitates life.” -Oscar Wilde Sad, very sad.

      • DogmaelJones1

        Thank you. I left a similar comment on the first part of this travesty, and was attacked by some Loonwatch troll who questioned my right to judge hip-hop. He grew very nasty.

        • bob smith

          fck the loon…why are we being subjected to this degree of shot here?

    • NAHALKIDES

      Excellent summary of Hip-hop. FPM seems to have a real blind spot here, somehow mistaking the success of these gangsta rappers for an affirmation of capitalism. It’s actually more like the intersection of a culture not only in decline but actually at the breaking point with the remnants of a free market.

      • DogmaelJones1

        Thank you. The widespread popularity of hip-hop is disturbing wherever it is played (the US, UK, etc.), whether it’s played by blacks or whites or Asians. The genre is more malevolent than was the Grateful Dead phenomenon. or any of that style’s spinoffs and copycats. The lyrics of hip-hop are irrelevant; imagine the Declaration of Independence done in hip-hop. It’s also significant that many Muslim wannabe jihadists communicate their nihilism in hip-hop (because Islam frowns on music, I guess they think that hip-hop doesn’t qualify as music; on that point the wannabes would be correct).

        • Fudge

          (C)rap, not “hip-hop. It is in no way music.

      • Sharps Rifle

        Amen!

    • truebearing

      Well said. There is nothing redeeming about hiphop, musically or otherwise. It is a hostile form of rhythmic expression that makes those who dislike it hostile when they hear it. It is kind of a “musical” dhimmitude.

      • Edward E

        Anti-Whites decided EVERY White country should be a “melting pot”!

        I didn’t. My people didn’t, there was no public voting on this.

        So why do they have the moral authority to flood my people with millions of non-White immigrants, then FORCE assimilate these non-Whites with my people until we become minorities in our own homes?
Why isn’t Africa, or Asia, or the Middle east a “melting pot”.

        If all this “diversity” and “multiculturalism” is so good, why keep it for EVERY and ONLY White countries?

        Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.

    • Servo1969

      Hip-Hop is the sound of militant ignorance.

    • James

      Reading those lyrics, obviously produced from minds that border on retardation, it is hard to hard to believe FPM has bought into this. Everything about hip hop; the way it is “sung”, the street thug tone, the thundering bass, is sickening.

    • AfterAll

      You probably go out at night wearing a white hood and burn a cross.

  • Ace Boogie

    While there is some good rap music out there, this author makes no attempt to bring any of it to light. Instead he grabs snippets of some of the most objectionable babble from some of the most objectionable people. The message of self empowerment has been lost and replaced by an unending chorus of vice, ignorance, disrespect, violence, objectification, materialism, bragadociousness, and other unsavory characteristics. Music can be used to educate and enlighten people, but instead, in the case of hip hop it has been used to cripple people. It has been used to allow people to have low standards of literacy and morality. A relative few persons have become individually wealthy by selling out their so called communities. Media and entertainment conglomerates reap the majority of the spoils from these unsavory productions, while being ensured of continued masses of ignorant consumers addicted to their product. The author suggests that Oreilly should think again – I have, and I find his premise woefully wanting…

    • Mister B

      Great, and truthful comments. The language espoused in Rap “Music” is minimum wage language.

      • Madame_deFarge

        It’s actually Welfare Language.

    • Fudge

      There is NO good (C)rap (not music) out there. NONE.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        Rap is the heart of CRap.

      • Ace Boogie

        Never asked you, go fudge yourself…

  • Elizabeth Cape Cod

    You can put lipstick on this PIG but it ain’t ever going to fly!
    Translation: You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear…….

  • bob smith

    ENOUGH WITH THIS HIP HOP BS…FED UP WITH YOU CONTINUALLY TRYING TO FORCE FEED THIS SHIT DOWN OUR THROATS. ENOUGH!!!

  • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

    Well it shows that there is diversity in hip hop. Perhaps the hip hop culture is changing for the better. Still the music could use more variation but that’s not our problem.

  • bob smith

    Misogyny in hip hop culture…Content analyses have found that approximately 22% to 37% of rap lyrics contain some misogyny..wikipedia

    Hip-Hop: The False Advertisement of Women
    By Brandon Albert

    Lil Wayne dropped by Mountain Dew for derogatory lyrics about key civil rights figure
    Read more at http://www.nme.com/news/lil-wayne–2/70110#FcGGeRKWtdObVXI8.99

    Hip Hop Lyric Insults Autism Community
    Lyrics from the recently released song “Jodeci Freestyle” from hip hop artists Drake and J.Cole have many in the autism community up in arms. The song, which was released last month and is now getting airplay, contains the following lyric by J. Cole: “I’m artistic, you n—-s is
    autistic, retarded.”

    • Madame_deFarge

      As horrible as his murder was when did Emmett Till, as described by Pepsi/Mountain Dew PR flacks, become a “revered civil rights figure”? He was a clueless kid from the urban north visiting in the Deep South. Why he didn’t know how to behave back in those terrible times we’ll never know but he was not a civil rights provocateur by any definition. I suppose that makes the female reporter who waded into the midst of a group of rioting Muslim men in Egypt heroic when she was raped by them. Everyone can feel sympathetic but heroic? No, just unaware with poor survival skills and without any sense of time or place or appropriateness. The racial south and Muslims today have a lot in common in their ignorance.

      • bob smith

        Well said. I posted those few examples as a means to displaying how these ‘apparent hip hop conservatives’ eat their own.

        Their entire embodiment of vulgarities is appalling and definitely eschews any form of conservatism.

        Apparently, the porn king Ronn feels making money equates to being conservative. All he forgot to do was tell us who these fine examples of modern day conservatism voted for…the muslim in chief.

        ‘aight

      • George Clark

        The “racial south” was not ignorant. On the contrary, it was quite aware of the behavior and ingrained potential violence of those who would one day aspire to become “rap artists.”

  • PouponMarks

    Negroes used to make great music when they were allowed to have their own intact culture. From Big Band, to all the groups in the 50s, 60s. The harmonies, the orchestration. Where are the harmonica masters? Organ masters? The great ladies of soul, rooted in gospel?

    This is crap and bilge. An anthem for a dying, degenerate, infantile culture. America-a place on the map, whose ideals and idea are close to annihilation.

  • Charles Martel

    I think this may have been sarcasm based on previous articles in support of hip hop.

    Again I reiterate it has a deterious impact on society as it coarsens society.

    Libertarians may express joy at this as they do also for legalized prostitution, but does it benefit civilized society? Conservatism should seek to conserve those principles and values that characterize a stable family friendly society.

  • johnlittle

    Hip hop, like tattoos, is narrative for verbally incompetent people.

    Cordially, John Little, Sr.

  • liz

    Just because these low life’s brag about how much money they make doesn’t make them capitalists. They probably couldn’t tell Friedman or Hayek from Felix the cat, and couldn’t care less – not to mention Obama’s ideology.

  • Gislef

    Al Capone and The Godfather celebrated ambition, too.

  • cecil91

    I’m “hating on it” simply because it’s crap. You know, the sort of stuff that would make Yeats roll over in his grave. There is nothing “artistic” about street vernacular with a drumbeat. Why am I even responding to an asinine suggestion that this claptrap has any moral or cultural merit? It sucks, get over it.

    • Madame_deFarge

      Yeats? How about MLK?

      • George Clark

        Yeats was not a plagiarist, lady. Is that your point? Yeats’ life is an open book, lady. MLK’s is not, it’s sealed.

        • George Clark

          Erica,
          Nice to see you around as well.

  • VLParker

    This is uplifting? Bitches, niggas, fuck that? FPM has lost its bloody mind. Let me try to use those words and see how many people call it uplifting. If Paula Deen can’t use the word “nigger” one time twenty years ago without being vilified and destroyed then why does Jay Z get to say “nigga” with every breath? And don’t give me any garbage about them being two different words. Six year olds are listening to this cRAP.
    We can all see the wonderful results of the hip-hop culture. All we have to do is look at the inner city of any major metropolis in the US. Your doing a great job of selling your filth there, Jay-Z, just like you did a great job of selling drugs there. This argument is insane.
    Louis Armstrong is rolling over in his grave.
    And I’m really sick and tired of this stupid big tent argument. We already have a big tent. We welcome conservatives of all races, colors and creeds.

  • groovamos

    Yeah these rap thugs bring so much work ethic to our culture, just like the one executed in Texas a few days ago:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-executes-former-rapper-for-murder-of-recording-studio-owner/

    Doesn’t it remind you of all the country artists and rock and rollers murdering their studio executives?

    Several of these ‘artists’ have been arrested in Houston over the years for their serious work. I don’t bother following their fates. I’ve thought a lot about the
    reasons for 35 years of this cultural blight, and all I come up with is to regard the dregs of society for the first time in history having a ‘music’, all their own, to express the aspirations of their debased thinking. And they are not going to let go of it, or let cultural trends affect them by taking it away, ever. And It does not have to evolve, because any evolution would be for the better.

    • NAHALKIDES

      Good point, and one FPM seems to have missed. Somehow, musical artists of the past from Vladimir Horowitz to Tex Ritter seem to have managed to get through life without packing 9 mm pistols and getting involved in drive-by shootings.

      • George Clark

        Well, there was Phil Spector, but perhaps that exception proves the rule…

        • NAHALKIDES

          Phil Spector was truly one of a kind, I’m glad to say.

        • Voyvod

          Jerry Lee Lewis also.

          • George Clark

            Phil Spector supposedly held the Ramones hostage with a pistol until they completed a take to his satisfaction.

  • donna

    good rap music is an oxymoron. there are only degrees of how objectionable. degradation of aesthetic standards should be made a crime.

  • alericKong

    bin Laden celebrated ambition

  • Mister B

    This article actually credits O’Reilly, it doesn’t discredit him. “Life imitates art far more than art imitates life.” -Oscar Wilde

  • alericKong

    Please prevent us from the site of the Republican Bullworth. Greg Gutfield is embarrassing enough.

    I will agree on the idiocy of O’Reilly’s criticism. What’s he trying to do? Shaming fake gangsters who make millions and thinking they will change? He’s like an old woman.

    Just stop paying for it. You pay for something, like drug use and fatherless children, you get more of it.

    Also there’s no epidemic of Schwarzenegger or Statham clones beating people up and stealing trillions from taxpayers.

  • Sharps Rifle

    This is truly beneath FPM. In what way is this foulness at all relevant to Conservatism?

    • NAHALKIDES

      I’m as puzzled as you. It seems FPM has mistaken the financial success that results from pandering to the lowest conceivable tastes for a sort of cultural renaissance in the ‘hood. They also seem to commit the Libertarian error of believing that politics can be successfully divorced from a wider system of values. Conservatives are supposed to understand this error.

    • laura r

      at least it was well written for people w/some intellect. its ok for FP if only for debate. still a far cry from the tabloid trash i see here: everyday FP & TR are doing the TMZ/ National enquier shuffle. “muslim kisses horse…” “cher says…..” “miley snuggles justin….” “courtney sees plane….” “moochie has vaginal crease…” & the latest vulgar “steve tylers girlfriends horriffic abortion while he snorts coke….”!! the problem here is that there are too many demographics mixed together. daniel greenfield calls it “different messages for different people”, but this crap i refer too is for the illiterate population. i dont mean ronns artical, im ok w/it. your online zines need 2 websights. i wont send any friends to front page or truth revolt. NOT because of the hip hop artical, but because of the tabloid junk. i do send videos of glasov’s speeches, glasov gang, ben shapiro, horowitz. as for daniel greenfield i send people to sultan knish. i havnt a clue of how to show friends david horowitz material as its on the same site as the vulgar garbage. maybe heritage foundation is too cheap to get another domain? TR can really be cheesy, put it on another site. as for the hiphop, i think thats just a way to get the left wing kids to turn right. i could write it better, & try to bridge the urban w/the suburban mid & n. west .

      • George Clark

        You are illiterate. The idiot who wrote this “song” has better grammar skills than you, lady.

        • laura r

          im hiring, spell checker, typist, intersted? seeking low to mid level workers. i do the thinking, you type. let me know.

  • Lanna

    I don’t know anyone who listens to Hip Hop……Look at the Jimmy Falon’s show in which the skit shows Obama and Putin….Obama’s foreign policy is based on fantasy…Obama told Putin that people shouldn’t be forced to do something the majority didn’t want to do, and Mr. Putin said yes, in Russia it is referred to as Obama care.

  • http://cogitarus.wordpress.com/ ★✩★ David ★✩★

    Garbage!!!!!!!!!

  • Infidel4Ever

    Memo to FPM: Hip – Hop also celebrates drug use, abusing women and stomping on your enemies. FYI.

  • Infidel4Ever

    Memo to FPM: Hip – Hop also celebrates drug use, abusing women and stomping on your enemies. FYI.

  • cjkcjk

    Selling Hip-Hop to people like us?
    Why don’t you just tell us to deny our God?
    We don’t want to hear it and will never even CONSIDER it, STFU!

  • Servo1969

    Okay. This is just click bait now. Knock it off, Frontpage.

    • Toa

      “Click bait”…a new term added to my lexicon; thanks.
      By the way, good avatar…”In the not-too-distant future….”

  • Geoffrey_Britain

    Jay-Z is worthy of America’s respect? You mean FrontPage, the guy who takes vacations in Cuba, the second most repressive COMMUNIST pig-sty in the world?

  • El Desdichado

    ‘TERENCE, this is stupid stuff:
    You eat your victuals fast enough;
    There can’t be much amiss, ’tis clear,
    To see the rate you drink your beer.
    But oh, good Lord, the verse you make, 5
    It gives a chap the belly-ache.

    http://www.bartleby.com/123/62.html

    Yo my Krew throw DOWN lyrics, nomesain?

  • http://tinatrent.com/ Tina Trent

    “My girl a superstar all from a home movie”

    So we’re supposed to cheer pimping and porn? And this from the editors of Frontpage? Some explanation is due from those who refuse to sign their names to this trash.

    Perhaps pimping of another sort is the operative explanation for this nonsense. What price is necessary to snatch legitimacy from our cause.

    • bob smith

      well said. if fpm keeps this shit up, i am out of here. enough of this garbage.

  • TrueNorth777

    Is this some kind of social experiment? If the original author wanted readers to truly recognize rap for inspiration and honest work ~ he would have given us some better articulated examples of artists whose message is to overcome adversity and raise the spirit. He is deliberately not doing that. Is he creating a controversy / a movement to create division among races/cultures via rap music now….where there really is none. Could it some kind of damage control by self-proclaimed industry “royalty” whose vulgar stage theatrics and lyrics went too far – and they realize new packaging is necessary (ie. let’s create and define “rap” haters as “conservatives” – then attack them. Let that white conservative guy, be the catalyst.)
    Whatever the author’s agenda, decent folk ain’t falling for it. We, decent folk, live by the belief that respect must be earned, to be returned. We, decent folk, being of every race, colour, creed and political stripe. Decent folk will continue to teach our children well, to recognize and question what they may see and hear. We will continue to build their character with words and actions of light; guide them away from darkness.

    • laura r

      its not the author who is responsible, but the editors. they make the decisions.

  • http://tinatrent.com/ Tina Trent

    So you block my comment because I raise the possibility that you’re being bought off to publish this crap?

  • http://tinatrent.com/ Tina Trent

    Let’s try it again, without the censorship:

    “My girl a superstar all from a home movie”

    So we’re supposed to cheer pimping and porn? And this from the editors of Frontpage? Some explanation is due from those who refuse to sign their names to this trash.

    Perhaps pimping of another sort is the operative explanation for this nonsense. What price is necessary to snatch legitimacy from our cause.

  • http://tinatrent.com/ Tina Trent

    Ah, so I’m still blocked. Didn’t use any nasty words, though many comments went through with those words — I guess this is Censor Ideas Friday.

    • Alleged Comment

      Yes, two of my comments were deleted for using the proper word “negro” instead of the derogatory “blacks”.

      Yet, it is OK to show negro ignorance just as long as you don’t tell them it’s about Negroes. And you can even use the F-word on them, but don’t you DARE call them Negroes!

      Go figure FP has become an idiotic weenie site.

      • http://tinatrent.com/ Tina Trent

        This is a demonstration of contempt. They sell out a principle which once animated this website — though apparently no more — of speaking out against efforts by the Left to dominate and silence its enemies through shrill and groundless accusations of prejudice.

        Or was that all just special pleading for the editors, while the readers are fair game?

        “Hip hop scholarship” is misogynistic, racist nonsense parading as social justice. Cornel West is an excellent example of the type. But the editors know that: they have chosen to endorse it anyway.

        Every year, conservatives go to CPAC and get their heads filled with precisely this sort of “diversity outreach” idiocy. In some it apparently takes root. One would expect better inoculation here.

        Message delivered.

        • bob smith

          how fucking true!

          ditto!

      • laura r

        are they that ignorant? negro means black in spanish. since when is FP pc? i used the word negro yesterday in 2 of my comments.

        • Alleged Comment

          Depends on the writer of the column, I believe. It offends his racism!

          I believe the word is of Spanish Portuguese origin and referred to the color black.

          But “Negro” in American terms does not mean black. Since we have been calling Negroes black their behavior has changed for the worst.

          • laura r

            he writes for huff post, the PR guy. hes 39, that explains it.

  • http://tinatrent.com/ Tina Trent

    Well, it appears that we cannot question advocacy for porn by the editors of Frontpage:

    “My girl a superstar all from a home movie”

  • Martel

    Translation: Please black Americans, vote for us!

    A succesful multi-ethnic society is a pipe dream, contrary to reason, historical precedents, and evolution. In the coming years the GOP will also lose the white vote, as white Americans increasingly understands the GOP does not stand up for their ethnic interests. They will have great difficulty finding an alternative until a viable third party solution arises.

  • NAHALKIDES

    Twice this week, FPM has published short pieces by Ronn Torossian celebrating Jay-Z and Hip-Hop, and twice we the FPM readership have responded with blistering criticism. This should have caused the FPM editors to re-think the premises that led them to believe Torossian’s panegyrics were worth publishing in the first place, but instead, they seem determined to try to persuade us to change our minds. As the reaction to this current “editorial” demonstrates, it isn’t working. Therefore, I ask the editors now to re-think their premises on this issue, and in an attempt to help I’d like to suggest where the problem lies.

    First, the material success of Jay-Z and his ilk, which are indeed the products of a semi-free economy, while they vindicate the free market do not vindicate the artistic ideals or methods behind the Hip-Hop movement, much less the values behind those ideals. It merely indicates that people who lack an educated taste (mainly callow youngsters who don’t know much about anything) have the freedom to spend their money foolishly. The proper Conservative reaction to this spectacle should be, “Yes, people have the right to spend their money on Hip-Hop, but for God’s sake let’s see if we can educate them so they no longer want to.”

    What we are seeing here is the intersection of a culture not only in decline but actually at the breaking point with the remnants of a free market. Celebrating Hip-Hop for its material success is much like celebrating
    the millions that might be made from modern-day gladitorial games in
    which men kill each other as a spectator sport. What would be the proper reaction to such gladitorial games? First, shock and horror at the appalling disregard for the value of the individual human life; Second, a clear and positive moral conviction that such games were wrong; Third, a determination to enact laws that would prevent such evil from taking place. I’ve emphasized the ordinals here because the order is important; first comes value judgment, second comes moral conviction, and only last comes the explicitly political response of a law.

    And this is the reason why politics are downstream of culture – they depend on values precedent to both. It is why Hip-Hop is the product of the ghetto where life has little value, and why the resulting politics are those of the anti-individualistic Welfare State. And it is why even if we were to concede that Conservatives must embrace a “big-tent” philosophy (an idea popular with Establishment, i.e. moderately statist, Republicans, be it noted), we cannot embrace Hip-Hop. To do so would be as fatal as to embrace Big Government, for just as the government cannot both grow larger and smaller at the same time, so too the culture of the inner city cannot both become more elevated and more base at the same time.

    In short, Hip-Hop is a product of the same values that have brought poverty, misery, and permanent welfare statism to the inner-city. Conservatism means the conservation of certain values, particularly the worth of the individual life, which leads to the conservation of classic liberalism in politics. Therefore, Conservatives cannot accept Hip-Hop as part of our culture any more than we can accept the Knockout Game as a permanent fixture of the public streets or socialism in our political life.

    • UCSPanther

      I could consider a rapper a conservative if his/her songs were about
      -cleaning up their neighborhoods
      -getting an education
      -making an honest living
      -raising decent families
      -self sufficiency
      -celebrating personal/civic pride, work ethic and responsibility

      Unfortunately, that’s not as “cool” as rapping about bling, cars, drugs, ‘hoes, strip clubs, violence and who is the “baddest thug”.

    • Disapp

      THANK YOU VERY MUCH!! Your comments are very much appreciated by me. Last week was too much and I hope the editors will not repeat this again. I will have to reconsider their ideology of the editors. Are they trying to deceive their readers by their support of Hip Hop? If they personally like Hip Hop, then that’s their choice. I wonder why they keep pushing it on their readers?

      • NAHALKIDES

        I don’t know, unless they’ve embraced the truly weird idea that Republicans can somehow use Hip-Hop to persuade low-information, welfare-seeking inner-city voters to pull the lever for our side. Anyway, thanks for your kind words.

  • laura r

    if you are goiing to publish lyrics, publish tupac’s “brenda had a baby” “changes” “dear mama” “who do you believe” not only brilliant, but w/ melody beat sync. the old hip hop was a narrative of ghetto life, had a social message. it was spoken word. who the hell is this ronn? so he manages jayz? he should have written about the baseball team the clothing line etc. there is a way to communicate. do i have to teach you everything?

  • http://tinatrent.com/ Tina Trent

    So the editors of Frontpage approve of Kanye West bragging about the hardcore porn video his wife made with another hip hop star.

    They approve of it so much that David Horowitz actually tweets about this article. They approve of it so much that they include it in the short list of “admirable” hip hop quotes — actually the only ones they could quote without accidentally promoting Mumia Abu Jamal, killing other cops, rough sex, sex with minors, pimping as a business plan, hating whitey, or any of the other common themes of hip hop.

    What are we to make of this? That the readers of Frontpage should adjust to the submissive position — submissive in the face of this sort of hateful garbage, or risk being called racist, which is what this series of articles is actually demanding of us?

    Since the editors themselves reject such accusations when they are directed at them, the readers of Frontpage now need to assume that the editors have not been defending universal principles of colorblindness all this time, only special dispensation from the racial accusation for themselves.

    Message firmly delivered.

  • Hilda

    If I decided to try to make money representing Mexican bands who became popular because of “narco-corridos” (ballads that glorify murderous drug cartel
    criminals), well of course, I’m going to make an attempt at arguing
    that “narco-corridos” are a wonderful uplifting contribution of Mexican
    culture that merely reflect the struggles of the Mexican poor who are oppressed by the Gringo Empire to the north.

    “As CEO of a leading New York PR agency, we have represented countless hip-hop artists, including Sean “Diddy” Combs, Ice-Cube, Snoop Dogg, and others — and it’s been a great experience.” Ronn Torossian

  • UCSPanther

    These rappers represent Conservatism? Yeah, right.

    They are a symptom of a culture that has slipped into the gutter, reduced to juvenile boasting about superficial and often destructive things like bling (Jewelry), needlessly fancy cars, drug dealing, strip clubs, how many women that said rapper can nail, “busting caps” aka shooting at people and who is in general, the “baddest thug in town”.

  • GSR

    Ridiculous column……..plus as music, it’s awful. That’s why I “hate on it”. Grow up.

  • http://tinatrent.com/ Tina Trent

    Ronn Torossian apparently represents the predatory head of the “Girls Gone Wild” franchise.

    Disgraceful. Frontpage embraces a sleazy porn promoter who demands that we learn from his vision of “conservatism,” one that apparently includes porn empires and rappers screeching slurs.

    A google name search is very illuminating. or maybe this is a different Ronn Torossian — if that’s the case, so very sorry.

    • NAHALKIDES

      I think it’s the same guy – I really didn’t know how seamy his business was until today. I thought he was just another NY PR-guy. Apparently, he’s been pretty lucky in business, and he wrote a few decent articles about how difficult it’s getting to do business in NYC, but obviously he’s out of his league when it comes to understanding culture and its importance to politics and the overall quality of life.

    • ping

      I can see the FPM writers now “Girls Gone Wild: a conservative response to Hollywood’s gay agenda?” which will praise the pornography industry for creating thousands of non-unionized private sector jobs for young women and seeing it as Western civilizations’ last line of defence against shariah law. Heck, it “celebrates ambition” and doesn’t bow down to “grievance mongers” too! Rupert Murdoch owns stock in pornography companies, so don’t underestimate how low some conservatives will be willing to go.

      I don’t hate rap music, but the pandering here ridiculous (especially with these examples), just what you’d expect from a PR specialist who thinks the problem is with image and not the product itself.

    • laura r

      maybe torrosian gave a big donation to the heritage fondation. maybe they all help each other. they are all pro isreal, must have some hookup professionally socially, etc.

    • bob smith

      no, you are correct and you nailed it succinctly.
      well done.

  • The Rambler

    I have been following this site for several years. This is the worst article I have read yet. While some prominent rap & hip-hop artists may be shrewd, possess business savvy and dare I say, have talent, the bottom line is that this industry has contributed to the moral decay of our country for the past three decades. The bulk of this music promotes misogyny, racism, drugs, crime and hedonism way more than the edgy rock n roll of my generation. Hardly the American dream. This writer should write for Rolling Stone, where people might buy his nonsense.

  • seewithyourowneyes

    I can’t believe that FPM is running this “article” written by Torossian, a professional public relations guy paid by rappers.
    Rappers like Jay-Z (who stabbed his brother over jewelry at age 12, and pled down another stabbing charge in 1999) is unrepentant about pushing crack in his youth. And now he pushes psychological crack.

    You’re a whore, Torossian.

  • http://tinatrent.com/ Tina Trent

    Well, I guess I’m not blocked anymore.

  • Albert Darringdon

    These hip-hop articles are odd. Has FPM been hacked?

  • mhojai

    If he was white, in suit and speaking English, his greed and love of money for money’s sake would be sanctimoniously vilified …pandering to low-info low-lifes isn’t the way to build a party — unless you like Caligula.

  • SoCalMike

    Hip hop isn’t even music.
    You need more than rhythm and lyrics to have music.
    Melody and harmony are key basics and hip hop has neither.
    It’s just a reflection and expression of culture rot.
    If it doesn’t have harmony and melody, it isn’t music,

  • Fritz

    I believe that rap/hip hop embodies what a friend of mine calls it, who also happens to be a guitarist by the way, he refers to it as poetry for morons. I don’t think you can read much depth into it either way, it’s poetry for morons by morons, and really has little redeeming value.
    One of the commentators said that the successes of some of these so called “artists” are as a result of one of the few remaining bastions of the free market in the U.S economy, nothing could be further from the truth. The recording industry of American represents the very opposite of a free market, it is a cartel, much like OPEC, whose objective is to price fix products, stifle consumer choice, and eliminate any real competition. It is the only industry that believes that, in spite of the advances in communications and recording technology, they can continue to operate under the same business model as they did 80 years ago, and lobbies for government “protection” to continue allowing them to do so.

    Rap/Hip hop is the fruit of this outdated business model, why hire songwriters, musicians, etc when all they have to do is pull some young black man off the street and start reciting 3 minute strings of obscenity laden gibberish into a microphone? It makes them more money that way, the only thing it costs them is a marketing campaign. Then when the young man gets old find a new one to market as the latest and greatest.

  • Hass

    Yeah right FPM, Hip Hop AKA Sh*tty Ghetto music is for the brain dead.

    And why is this site is running articles about it lately, I’ll never know.

  • GSR

    Funny, American Spectator has run similar hip hop and brain-dead 20-something issues lately too. That site has really gone down in quality. Hopefully FPM won’t follow.

  • Robert_Fl

    From the headline:”A music genre goes in-your-face to grievance mongers, stands up for honest work and for self-esteem through earned income. Why hate on it?”

    Why “hate on it”? Really? I guess ghetto language is becoming standard on this site now. Isn’t that special?

  • Murray

    I can’t believe all the negative comments. I’m disappointed with this holier-than-thou brand of conservatism. I thought we conservatives were about live-and-let-live. Why not emphasize the positive instead of dwelling on the negative. Rome wasn’t built in a day. If there are snippits of free market thinking, liberty and personal self improvement in these rhymes why not celebrate that?

    • Robert_Fl

      “I can’t believe all the negative comments. I’m disappointed with this
      holier-than-thou brand of conservatism. I thought we conservatives were
      about live-and-let-live.”
      I see no one calling for the abolition of anything here. There are no holier than thou opinions expressed here with the possible exception of yours taking others to task for expressing themselves. I see people expressing their opinions on the legitimization of trash as music, no one called for the end of it. You might try being a little more tolerant of other people’s opinions yourself. As for your use of “we conservatives”, I do not think I have ever heard a conservative go around asking people to “celebrate” anything. That particular usage of the word seems to be a favorite of liberals and progressives everywhere.

    • NAHALKIDES

      Probably because there aren’t any real snippets of free market thinking, liberty, or personal self-improvement, and if there were, they’d be completely lost within the coarse sexuality, dehumanizing violence and brutal misogyny.

    • Mitch

      We are well beyond the “live and let live” approach. We are now in a life or death struggle over where the country is headed.

  • gabregni

    Excellent conclusion of Hip-hop. FPM seems to have a actual sightless identify here, somehow mistaking the achievements of these gangsta artists for an statement of capitalism. It’s actually more like the junction of a lifestyle not only in decrease but actually at the splitting factor with the remains of a 100 % free industry.

    NyLotto

  • cacslewisfan

    This is absolutely pathetic. I looked up the songs these lyrics came from, and most are violent, celebrate drugs, call women b***hes and treat them like garbage, repeatedly insult other rappers by calling them b***hes and n**gers, and display a pathological narcissism that borders on psychosis. That song from Future has a line about sending members of the gang “36” to kick in the door of someone’s girlfriend while she’s home with their baby! Everyone expects Democrats to be duplicitous, it it the party for self righteous hypocrites. That’s why no one cares when they are inclusive of people who dehumanize women, embrace Islam, and cheat on their taxes while they tell everyone to do the opposite. Conservatives can’t embrace the same evil and still stand for their core values. I DO think Conservatives must engage with pop culture, but this is not the way. Support rappers who have real uplifting lyrics.

  • 11bravo

    Wrong time and place for this RAP promotion.

    It is no different than asking the GOP base to embrace pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-drug legalization Rand Paul for president!! It just is NOT going to happen.

    It is the same as cheering for Mengele for his breakthrough medical experimentation.

  • JeromefromLayton

    Go back and read some older English literature such as Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner. That was the “rap” of the day and my “Albatross” since I had to read it. The cool part is those cats don’t need a Teleprompter!

  • Voyvod

    Anything that radical Islam hates has redeeming value.

  • Disapp

    I like FrontPage Mag, but I’m disappointed about the pushing of Hip Hop i.e. vulgarity of language, etc. Aren’t the majority of the Hip Hop celebrities major Democrat Party (leftist) supporters and probably financial contributors?

  • carammf

    Twój ukochany geodeta Gdańsk zajmie się Twoimi problemami z tej dziedziny.