Reza Aslan’s Ugly Rape Fantasies

Jamie Glazov is Frontpage Magazine's editor. He holds a Ph.D. in History with a specialty in Russian, U.S. and Canadian foreign policy. He is the author of the critically acclaimed and best-selling, United in Hate: The Left’s Romance with Tyranny and Terror. His new book is High Noon For America. He is the host of Frontpage’s television show, The Glazov Gang, and he can be reached at jamieglazov11@gmail.com. Visit his site at JamieGlazov.com.


reza-aslanFrontpage Interview’s guest today is Pamela Geller, the President of the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI), publisher of PamelaGeller.com and author of The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration’s War on America and Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance. Follow her on Twitter here. Like her on Facebook here.

FP: Pamela Geller, welcome to Frontpage Interview.

Geller: Thank you, Jamie.

FP: I understand that the Muslim author Reza Aslan has said that he wanted to “make hate babies” with you. Can you please give us the details?

Geller: Jamie, it was on a Reddit thread. Reza was taking questions, and one Reddit user asked him: “Hello Reza, I have an excellent start up question for you. You and Pamela Geller are stuck on an island, what happens?”

Aslan answered: “Are we stuck forever? If so, then I guess it’s time to make some hate babies Pam.”

The person who asked the question, “benalmy,” was thrilled by this display of hatred and savagery, and wrote back: “oh dude you are awesome!” Another commented: “By expressing his ability to hate a woman and still wish to have sex with her, he becomes very relatable to reddit’s users.” And it was true: “scruba” wrote: “Reza, you’re my hero,” and “btn pshr” added: “omg this is amazing, I can’t even…” “Squishie 5413” wrote: “This is the best response I’ve ever seen.”

Only one commenter, “wanweilin,” at the very end of the thread, dared to challenge Aslan and state the obvious: “Sounds like rape. Appropriate for treatment for an infidel.”

We know there is a term for this: “hate-f**k.” And the Left has a field day with it to humiliate and slander conservative women. Vile.

When was the last time you heard a genuine pro-freedom writer fantasize about raping someone on the Left?

FP: You’re right, Pamela: imagine if a well-known male conservative said this about a liberal or Muslim woman, and then commentators chimed in to say how much they loved him for saying such a thing? The conservative’s career would be over and the comments would be used to show how “hateful” conservatives are.

Your thoughts on this double standard?

Geller: Jamie, the savagery and hate of the Left and Islamic supremacists (and Aslan is both) are off the charts, open and unapologetic, and still the enemedia claims that conservatives are the haters.

What’s amazing, and telling, about Reza Aslan is that he is such a mainstream media darling despite how hateful and vicious he is. After he shot to national attention last summer for boasting about degrees he didn’t have on Fox News, it came to light that he routinely berated his critics on Twitter with foul-mouthed abuse worthy of a schoolyard bully, not a respected analyst. The mainstream media took no notice, of course – and so here again is the double standard. If a conservative writer had been discovered to be speaking to people that way, he would have been denounced and ridiculed all the way out of the public square.

But none of that matters to the Left at all. One leftist group, Intersections International, which claims to promote “peacemaking” and “interfaith outreach,” actually honored Aslan “for his work at the intersection of religion, scholarship, and global peacemaking.” If anyone isn’t a peacemaker, it is this potty-mouthed creep. But for Intersections International and the entire Left, abusing and mocking conservatives even with the most repulsive language doesn’t mean he isn’t a wonderful person and even a “peacemaker.” As far as the Left is concerned, conservatives aren’t entitled even to the most basic human respect.

FP: Aslan also has ties to Islamic supremacists, doesn’t he?

Geller: Yes, Jamie.

Even more important than his foul mouth and disgusting rape fantasies is how closely he is aligned with jihadists and Islamic supremacists.

Here is a summary:

Reza Aslan is “a Board member of a lobbying group for the bloodthirsty and genocidally antisemitic Iranian regime. Aslan tried to pass off Iran’s genocidally-minded former President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as a liberal reformer and has called on the U.S. Government to negotiate with Ahmadinejad himself, as well as with the jihad terror group Hamas. Aslan has even praised the jihad terror group Hizballah as ‘the most dynamic political and social organization in Lebanon,’ and has also praised the anti-Semitic, misogynist, Islamic supremacist Muslim Brotherhood, which is dedicated in its own words, according to a captured internal document, to ‘eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within.’ Aslan wrote: ‘The Muslim Brotherhood will have a significant role to play in post-Mubarak Egypt. And that is good thing.’ Millions of Egyptians obviously disagree. He has also applauded and called for the forcible shutdown of the free speech of those he hates — a quintessentially fascist impulse.”

FP: And this man is a hero of the Left.

Geller: Yes, Jamie, It shows just how low they’ve sunk.

FP: Pamela, thank you for joining us today. We wish you the best and thank you for everything that you do.

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  • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

    I’ve had similar experience with Islamic supremacists who try to package their spiel as “dialog with Iran or other odious regime.” Sooner or later I trap them into admitting their support for vicious dictators and the regime. It looks like Aslan just needs the rope … he hangs himself.

    • muslim

      Is Aslan an Iranian or American?

      • Marsha

        Were the American people consulted or otherwise asked or allowed to vote on muslim immigration into the US? Is Aslan here due to the graces of the US government or by the will of the people? Which Western countries is Islam compatible with?

        • pete

          some years ago, i read that the Billary president gave away America’s right designate “refugee visas” to the united nations – ultimately, the leadership fell into the hands of international muslins. there hasn’t any Christians designated as refugees for years.
          possibly, it Geller’s AtlasShrugs website that i saw the info

          If it’s correct info, that should see it’s way to the fore BEFORE hillary’s coronation

      • Wolfy Ghalkhani

        He unfortunately is Iranian much to my disgust.

        • Bob Spinazzola

          Misinformation…he’s an American.

      • Bob Spinazzola

        He’s an American.

  • info warrior

    Haha. Hate babies with Gellar.

    Strange but funny.
    Seriously, people like that should never breed,

    • reader

      I know where you just pulled your finger from, trolly. You can flag my posts all day long, huffpo sicko.

    • CowboyUp

      Rape is funny? Sicko.

      • justquitnow

        No one said rape but the author of this “article”. Grow up.

        • CowboyUp

          If “hate babies,” wasn’t clear enough, one of his admirers did say “rape.” Grow up yourself, yours is a juvenile argument.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            “hate babies”?

            That’s what reza calls Muslim children.

    • glpage

      Consider instead perhaps people like you should not be allowed to breed. We really don’t need the defective genes in the pool.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      low info warrior,

      What is “progressive” about siding with people who hang gay teens, stone girls to death, shoot girls in the head or kidnap girls for wanting an education?

      What is wrong with you?

  • Biff_Maliboo
    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      I Scew npr?

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        I Screw npr?

  • donqpublic

    Well, it’s a good thing he’s not the owner of the New York Times or the Washington Redskins, he might have some real explaining to do.

  • CowboyUp

    Watching and listening to leftist males, I almost feel sorry for leftist femmes. They aren’t going to like it at all, if they ever get what they want. I don’t know how or why they think it will work out here any different than it has everywhere else.

  • herb benty

    In Ottawa, Canada, a Muslim foreign “student” has just been arrested for his serial rapes here in Canada. Rape Jihad has arrived in Canada! However, unlike in domesticated Europe, our men are going to do something about it. We will not allow ourselves to become like Sweden or England.

    • krinks

      Mark by words saying anything will be deemed hate speech and you will be the one arrested. Canada already does this to those that openly professes the gospel over the airwaves. The Human Rights Commission in Canada has shut down and confiscated the assets of more than one Christian Ministry. Canada is already lost.

      • wileyvet

        Not if I can help it. I know Ezra Levant had an issue over the Muhammad cartoons, and Mark Steyn and Mcleans Magazine also. As I understand it Section 13 of our Criminal Code was supposedly repealed due to a private members bill by Brian Storseth an MP from Alberta. We shall see. My MP has his office in my town, and I will be contacting him shortly. I am doing as much research as possible on Islam, particularly the Koran and Hadith, and Sharia so that I will be well armed when I go on the offensive in my anti-Jihad crusade informing my fellow Canadians of exactly what this abomination called Islam really is and what its nefarious designs are.

        • Wolfy Ghalkhani

          you have to study Islamic history too. so horrifying it makes your hair stick up. start off with Bat Ye’or’s The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam, and Rebecca West’s Black Lamb, Grey falcon (written in the 1930′s, its long winded and difficult to read by our standards. still there are pages that are like poetry. its a heart breaking book.) So sad we are heading down the same road to extinction.

          • wileyvet

            I have to some extent. I was first dubious of the claim of the “Golden Age” of Islam and all that the west “owes”. It is a fraud. I have Bat Ye’or’s book of essays or speeches about Dhimmitude. Excellent. I just finished Ephraim Karsh’s “Islamic Imperialism”. Another great read. I will try to find the books you suggest, hopefully Amazon has them. Thanks for the info.

      • herb benty

        You are right of course. However, we have a conservative government at the moment who are trying to undo some of the more odious sections of the Human Rights Tribunals powers. We aren’t lost just yet, and neither is America. The real trouble are the vast amount of “appointees in all the Departments that the left leave, if they are voted out.A sort of “insurance policy”. Action is required as soon as possible though, “progressives” have much worse in store for this “fundamental transformation”. And lastly, there is no doubt Progressive is a cover word for Communist Giving up is not an option.

      • herb benty

        You are right of course. However, we have a conservative government at the moment who are trying to undo some of the more odious sections of the Human Rights Tribunals powers. We aren’t lost just yet, and neither is America. The real trouble are the vast amount of “appointees in all the Departments that the left leave, if they are voted out.A sort of “insurance policy”. Action is required as soon as possible though, “progressives” have much worse in store for this “fundamental transformation”. And lastly, there is no doubt Progressive is a cover word for Communist Giving up is not an option.

    • Lightbringer

      Good for you. But how will you deal with those surrealistically-named “human rights commissions”?

      • herb benty

        We recently defanged them somewhat by removing a couple of their more odious Sections. More does need to be done I know. This is what Progressives do, as America will find out when/if the Democrats are ever voted out. Notice Obama “planting” the judiciary etc., with radicals. You’ll see what I mean.

    • American Patriot

      England is not a country. England is one of four internal divisions (along with Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland) of the country known as the United Kingdom (or Britain). Calling the UK “England” is offensive to people living in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, the UK’s other internal divisions.

      • herb benty

        Yes, yes I’ve heard all that. I was not calling the UK, England. I have been hearing about Muslim rapes and rape gangs in London, Manchester, etc., etc. and when I comment on it I say, England and everyone knows what I mean. I watch Premiership Football regularly and THEY say England, or Wales or Scotland for pete’s sake. Live with it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Marks/1266358046 Paul Marks

    This is part of the real “war on women”.

    • newsies2

      You have that right!… The Feminist movement today, are going to get a real awakening about what Oppression of Women is all about? What are these Women going to do, when instead of being angry, because some guy whistled at them, they are told to wear the hijab and stay home where they belong, unless of course they are with a Male relative, and their drivers licenses are taken away.

  • krinks

    Do a search of this fine fellow and you’ll see first in the list of his credentials is as a member of the Council of Foreign Relations. This explains the rest of his rant and the fact that no one seems to care about them. Those that follow Satan and do his bidding in trying to bring about a world gov’t accept anyone that hates Christ and professes a willingness to torture and murder his true followers. Ultimately Muslims will be betrayed by Satan along with everyone else.

  • fpm

    Didn’t Sharia demand removing the offending part of a Muslim when they commit crime on women? That’s maybe why mo-mad married to a little girl cause she probably won’t notice the difference like Hilary had said once.

  • antioli

    Aslan sounds like a Ted Bundy want to be.

  • muslim

    I don;t think it was a rape threat or a fantasy. Just a stupid comment that he deemed to be a joke. /think this is a more balanced analysis:

    http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/re-reza-aslans-ugly-rape-fantasies.html

    • Marsha

      The facts about Islam point to the undeniable truth that Islam belongs in the desert regions from whence it came. Not among the nations of Europeans.

      • Lightbringer

        Don’t you wish they would all go back to Arabia and drink their damned oil?

        • Ken Zevo

          When I am feeling down, about such things, I always like to remind myself that in 100 years, the Saudis will run out of oil to pump, but America will still be the world’s food supplier … which means, sooner or later, they will have to come to us, cap in hand, and pay back all those petrodollars cuz you can’t grow food in sand.

          • Lightbringer

            I sincerely hope that America still produces food, among other things, in a century. At the rate we’re going, we’re set to become a third-world hellhole before then — a larger version of Detroitistan.

          • Americana

            Hmmm, being a farmer, I think you’re being optimistic about us remaining sitting pretty if we continue in this major drought cycle! I’m thinking of transitioning my vegetable farming to an indoor hydroponics operation while leaving my free-range poultry operation at my farmstead. I don’t think the U.S. is going to be sitting pretty viz our water situation in much of our traditional growing areas that normally operate w/huge amounts of irrigation like the San Fernando Valley. (They switched off the water to the San Fernando Valley and huge tracts aren’t being planted this year.) Hydroponics is great for water use, pest control, wind damage control, critter munchies, etc.

    • newsies2

      The point is that this Man is allowed to utter disgusting jokes and yuck it up, about a Conservative Woman, and the people commenting on his “humor” were praising him to high heaven. If this joke had been on a Muslim or Leftest Woman, The Conservative would be handed his head, and possibly fired, and the people commenting would have been ready to tar and feather him. Why is it the other side, couldn’t just see the humor in what he said?

      • Americana

        Well, TRUE, THAT SHOULDN’T have happened but I don’t believe that’s true about the messaging being different if it had been other than Geller. Everyone knows they’ve got a blood feud going. That’s why all the legitimate media are staying away from this as a story. Picking Jamie Glazov is keeping this dirty laundry in house so they can control the message and not get into the background of why he said that and why everyone backed his comment w/more nasty comments. If she’d gone to Time magazine or the New York Times, she would have been laughed out of the newsroom because they know a cage match when they see one.

        • Drakken

          Little Reza is a muslim apologist, progandist and traitor, he deserves every bit of derision that he gets, the day is coming where we infidels will once again hang our traitors.

      • Ken Zevo

        I get what you are saying newsies2, and I agree. I suppose this is news, but it is not NEW news, it’s the same old – same old. It’s like WW1 all over again, with both sides stuck in trench warfare, using the same old tired (and failed) tactics day after day. If I call this piece “fluff”, I am not complaining so much about the content as the presentation. Been there, done that, seen it all before and I don’t expect for a second that tomorrow will be any different. I think this is sort of savage pile-on (and I think that is a good description) needs to be dealt with; but I don’t see this particular instance as being any more important than the dozen that have happened before it, in recent history, nor the dozen still to come, in the nebulous near-future. Sometimes, you have to fight uphill, and accept that one-sided fight as the price to be paid, if you want to take the high ground and hold it.

        “Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain’t all
        sunshine and rainbows. It’s a very mean and nasty place, and I don’t care how tough you are, it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is going to hit as hard as life.

        But it ain’t about how hard you hit. It’s about how hard you can GET hit, and keep moving forward. How much you can TAKE, and keep moving forward. That’s how winning is done! If you know what you’re worth, go and get what you’re worth. But you gotta be willing to take the hits, and not pointing fingers saying you ain’t where you wanna be because of him or her or anybody!
        Cowards do that, and that ain’t you! You’re better than that!” Robert “Rocky” Balboa / Sylvester Stallone

        • newsies2

          Right on!

    • Drakken

      The fact about islam is, it needs to be stomped out until it is dead as it’s pedophile false profit of the devil himself.

      • Ken Zevo

        “Duos pedes mala, quattuor pedes bonum.”

        • Drakken

          As it says on the patches we wear, Deo Volente.

  • justquitnow

    Ugly rape fantasies? That a gross misinterpretation of what was said which was a quip in reaction to a joke question. Aren’t you an ugly anti-christian for lying about people and deliberately trying to stir up anger and fear? So shameless….

    • CowboyUp

      We’ve seen enough of these left wing rape fantasies to know it’s not a quip, or a joke. It’s not like this is something new on the left, and it’s not like the left isn’t violent. Leftists pretending to have a problem with shameless liars is a real hoot.

      • justquitnow

        Left this and left that….go choke on your own bile you old fart.

        • Ken Zevo

          “He who establishes his argument by noise and command shows that his reason is weak.” Michel de Montaigne

          “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.” Saul Alinsky, “Rules For Radicals”

          “If the facts are on your side, pound the facts. If the facts are not on your side, pound the table.” Ken Zevo

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            If you’re an Islamist, pound sand.

        • Drakken

          Age and treachery will always overcome youth and stupidity.

        • CowboyUp

          Make me, child.

      • Ken Zevo

        Mr. Aslan’s remark was inappropriate, sexist, politically incorrect, over-the-top, and a lot of other things as well … but it WAS also just a momentary quip, a joke (in poor taste, but obviously not meant to be taken seriously, no one openly discusses a serious rape plan on a public platform like Reddit), and a throw-away barb aimed at an opponent Reza Aslan apparently loves to diss and demonize.
        Is Mr. Aslan’s remark childish, boorish, and tasteless? Absolutely and without question. Should we be alarmed by it? Certainly not to the extent THIS article is trying to hype. This remark by Reza Aslan is bargain basement bully thinking, and the kind of immature behavior we’ve come to expect from the Left. End of story. No need to turn this into a tempest in a teapot. In my opinion, it’s giving Mr. Aslan more free rent in people’s heads than he warrants or deserves.
        As I’ve mentioned before, there is plenty of low hanging fruit out there, to complain about Reza Aslan, things that are provable and verifiable from independent sources. Why even bother with fluff like this? It is just NOT good journalism.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Counter attack against smooth talking Islamofascists is always worthwhile.

          • Americana

            Counter attacks against folks who just don’t get the point of the smartass remark only serves to entertain others.

          • Ken Zevo

            Dear Americana,
            Thx for trying to help, but please don’t feed the troll(s). They hang around longer, comment more frequently, and become exponentially more disruptive if you give them attention – esp. negative attention. The best cure is to ignore them, like you do your own appendix. Thx, and I hope you have a pleasant day.

          • Americana

            Sure thing, Ken. ;) Thanx for asking politely! I guess it’s the lingering piss and vinegar from him via Atlas Shrugs.

          • Drakken

            Today the good people vent, tomorrow they start shooting.

          • Ken Zevo

            It does seem like things are moving in that direction, doesn’t it? And not just the “good” people either, everybody seems to be pissed off about something these days, ain’t that the truth?

            Seems like we were happier, as a society, in the 1960′s … not that you could pay me to go back there again: no cell phones, few cures for cancer, stores all closed for Sunday, girls were all determined to remain virgins until they got married, etc. For all its faults, I like the modern world better.

          • Drakken

            I wish it wasn’t so my friend, but unfortunately, history as the ultimate guide, those days are upon us. I too enjoy the modern world as well, I just object to the left and muslims trying to drag us back to the dark ages.

        • CowboyUp

          I disagree. This is the kind of comment prominent leftists have been making about conservative women, like Michelle Malkin and Sarah Palin, for years. It’s not a one-off, it’s a pattern.

          • Ken Zevo

            Yes, this kind of hypocritical behavior and demonization tactics IS a pattern – on BOTH sides. I just popped in from Weasel Zippers to check out your reply – and this same kind of demonizing abuse is rampant there, amongst their counter-jihadist community. Any hope of objectivity on that site has long since flown out the window. And they aren’t the only one. I could name a whole list of names. Jawa Report website ( http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/ ) comes to mind (even though their bias and mayhem are quite mild, when compared to most of the rest of the field), and pislamonausea Central ( http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ ) is one of the worst offenders I have ever seen; but they are just two of many examples, on both sides of the fence, that I can name right off the top of my head. This illness has thoroughly infected all sides of the conflict, IMAO.

            [ People ask me, "Why do you still visit there?", about sites like WZ and pislamonausea. As with the bank robber who was asked why he robbed banks, and replied, "Because that's where the money is.", I go to WZ et al. because that's where the most current information on counter-jihad news and MSM news articles is. I ignore the bias, blatant disrespect for certain public figures, non sequitors, and general bullying atmosphere and just follow the linx to news articles, even though I find some of the behavior on those sites is barely above the level of New Guinea Stone Age cannibals, on most days. In My Arrogant Opinion, as usual, no one has elected me god and judge over the universe. ]

    • Ken Zevo

      Well, from what I have read, Mr. Aslan is no saint; but I agree, this is making a mountain out of a mole hill. I have no doubt that Mr. Aslan’s dislike of Pam Geller has led to him making a wholly inappropriate and unwarranted remark, and that the remark was most likely a simple gaffe (as you suggest) and not any sort of life-long ambition. I strongly suspect that whatever deserted island fantasies Mr. Aslan has, they normally reside in that mental folder we all have, marked “Fantasies, harmless as long as not taken seriously”, probably nested in between his fantasy of winning the lottery and another fantasy about being elected President, or driving a Lamborghini ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini ) at 160 mph non-stop down the Interstate from New York to Los Angeles.

      • newsies2

        I think the point of Pamela Geller’s account of what was said by this Man, was that not only had he uttered a tasteless, degrading remark about Pamela, but that the posts that followed his remarks, were equally awful. A Conservative or the people posting in response to what the Conservative said, wouldn’t get away with this. I could be wrong, but I think that was the point.

        • Americana

          Conservatives FREQUENTLY get away w/posting exactly that type of remark both on Atlas Shrugs and on Jihad Watch. It’s one of the tactics used by those sites as a sort of passive moderating tactic. Of course, there’s always banning if you’re really too much intellectually for Geller and Spencer to handle. They prefer to be supplied w/the typical nasty little brainless 8-word maximum posts w/repetitive phrases like “Islam sucks” and “I hate Islam” and they do everything they can to have those proliferate on their sites while eliminating different voices.

          • neaty

            Proof of that please “Americana”, being an ex-JW troll, it shouldn’t be too hard to provide? Right?

          • Americana

            Oh, I’m not an ex-TROLL of any web site. I’ve been BANNED which is an entirely DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION of webbed crime. I’ve been BANNED by the THOUGHT and WORDS POLICE FOR uttering such things as the above — that the Saudi jihadists who committed 9/11 attacks did so on behalf of the Palestinians. I’ve been banned for saying there is NOT a world-wide jihad, something w/which Robert Spencer agreed when put under the intellectual pressure of actually denying it to someone who knows there isn’t one. I’ve been banned for not being willing to suffer the claims of being 1) Reza Aslan himself’ 2) the claims of not being an actual Bostonian American; 3) of not having a sister who’s been a dean of a Middle Eastern women’s university (as Jihad Watchers in the know claimed to me, they said I was lying because no women are allowed to be over males in any hierachy in a sharia country, but, DOH, this was at a WOMEN’S UNIVERSITY, so Jihad Watchers aren’t really as in the know as they’d like to claim);…. etc, etc. I could go on but you get my drift. Sell the “troll” fantasy all you want but the Thought and Word police who enacted the banning know there’s a difference.

          • Drakken

            Islam is the problem period, and useful idiots that defend it are the enemy of western civilization and the time for niceties and pleasantries with you enemies of all civilized man is coming to an end. Good riddance ! No more islam, no more problem.

          • Ken Zevo

            Spoken like a true fascist. Ideas so good, they must be made mandatory. You are either with us, or against us. Two legs bad, four legs good! Saddam Hussein MUST be removed from power. Gaddafi too. And Assad. And Putin. (Did I leave anyone out?) Nuke ‘em ’til they glow and then shoot ‘em in the dark!
            Any more tired and broken clichés you’d care to share with us?
            I am not saying you are wrong, Drakken. I am saying you seem a little too extreme, to me. You might want to dial it down a notch … and show some independent thought, express a few ideas in your own words, and on your own terms. Just my opinion, but you sound like you’re getting carried off towards a cliff by the crush of the herd. I hear your anger, and your pain, and I feel much the same way; but don’t let your anger overcome your good judgment. I think you may be losing the audience … not so much because of your views, but because of the extremes you go to, in expressing them.

          • Drakken

            The reason it may seem that I may be a tad extreme, is I work in muslim lands and see every bloody day what these savages do and the dark age mentality they are completely capable of. There is no middle ground in dealing with these savages. We westerners have for too long have dealt with these savages with kid gloves in the hopes and dreams that they will like and respect us, they despise us simply because we are not muslim and even then they slaughter each other.
            Take yourself a little trip to Europe for a few weeks and see for yourself what a muslim infestation looks like. It is quite different when you see things as they are on the ground versus just reading about it.
            Not every religion, culture or people are all equal. To believe such nonsense ignores reality and history.

          • Ken Zevo

            Ok, that reaches me in a way your previous slogans did not, and now I can see your point far more clearly. Thank you for sharing your personal feelings and experiences, it is an eye-opener. I hope you will continue to express yourself in this way, in future posts, instead of those ragged (and utterly forgettable) cliché one-liners.

          • Drakken

            Unfortunately, people today only understand a short sentence and tired cliché. That is the world we live in today, a sad reality.

          • Ken Zevo

            Yes, but they DO give your posts a troll-like quality. I strongly suggest you re-think your strategy. Just sayin’. It’s a free world, and no one elected me god.

          • Drakken

            Crass, crude and intemperate, but it gets the point across. Thank God for opinions eh? ;)

          • Ken Zevo

            So does trying to squash a mosquito with a sledge hammer, but that’s not the way I would do it. There is a reason that the old advice, “You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar”, has been around for so long.

          • Ken Zevo

            Yes, I have had a few bad experiences on JW and Atlas as well, plus an unpleasant and unhappy personal experience dealing with Pam Geller and Robert Spencer by e-mail that I am still licking my wounds over. I am not saying they are bad web sites, or bad people, quite the opposite – I am saying they make mistakes, even paranoid ones, occasionally … just like everybody else. I suppose all the pressure and death threats can get to a person, after a while, so I cut them some slack and try to be tolerant (even tho I visit those sites considerably less often than I used to do.)

            I guess it’s just like that, when you are in a war zone. You have to watch out for accidental (and, occasionally, intentional) friendly fire, along with the actions of the enemy.

          • Americana

            Absolutely, Ken, and that’s what makes this such a tragic instance of info-wars. I would be fine accepting an apology from them if my reception was because of TRUE paranoia and not because they simply won’t let certain thoughts be written down for public consumption. Jihad Watchers and Shruggers accused me of being things I am not and espousing things I am not and those two — Geller and Spencer — allowed that to go on and they’re still allowing that to go on. Those tactics might work w/some of the people some of the time, but they don’t work w/all of the people all of the time.

            No war is won w/falsehoods and we look ridiculous dialing up the rhetoric on things like Muslim sexual slavery when what’s being done is simply CLASSIC prostitution. I didn’t know you’d also had a run-in w/either of them but I’m not sure we suffered similar treatment for identical reasons. I will cut them slack when I see they’ve absorbed the lesson about accurate portrayal of jihadist events and jihad being where the civilized man takes his stand.

          • Ken Zevo

            I am not saying it shouldn’t change – obviously it should. I just got tired of being the lightening rod, on those sites. Let someone else change their way of doing business, or let them shrivel into obscurity. Darwin will correct this problem, either with our help, or without it.

            And, frankly, I find the best way to punish Mr. Spencer and Ms. Geller is to not go to their web sites, until they start practicing what they preach about civil behavior towards one’s ideological opponents. If they alienate enough people, they will end up on the scrap heap of history, by their own hands. If not, well, then maybe they are onto something … but I doubt it. That’s certainly not how I would want to see the world run, for my own safety’s sake.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDBiLT3LASk

          • Americana

            As I mentioned in reply to this same post above by neaty in another thread, BEING BANNED is different than being a TROLL. Being banned by the BB WORD and THOUGHT POLICE is the result of a BB attempting to control its messaging by eliminating dissenting voices or voices that challenge their facts.

            Being a troll is something entirely different. Attempting to label me a troll and calling me Reza Aslan himself are tactics that are used by Jihad Watch and Atlas Shrugs to warn people off and discredit me. Pamela Geller knows this and Robert Spencer knows this. That’s why you’ve delegated yourself to go around making troll announcements of this kind. Well, so be it. I’m making a PSA about some of the facts of the matter:
            1) I’m not Reza Aslan (all posts to the contrary); 2) I’m not a Reza Aslan minion or anyone else’s minion; 3) I’m not a Muslim or “MUXLIM” as Robert Spencer so cutely tried to label me; 3) I’m not a Muslim sympathizer, I simply see no point in lying about any aspects of jihad or any cultural aspects of Islam in the various countries where islam is practiced. Lying about all this cultural stuff in hopes of making some debate points is foolish. If you want these BBs to be full of liars and factoids that aren’t facts, fine. Simply make that announcement at the top of the page so people will know what they’ll be reading. Don’t tell someone like me, who’s had a sister who was a Dean of a women’s university in the Middle East and had a co-worker who’s still sponsoring (20 years maybe) a long-time archaeological dig in Israel (Tel Rehov) in Israel, that I’m a liar and I don’t know what I’m talking about because I have a different perspective from you.

          • Drakken

            You really do whine quite bit. As they say Sparky, thy doth protest too much.

          • Ken Zevo

            I’ve been in Americana’s shoes, and it can be a true vexation on the soul when you get attacked by your own side – sometimes viciously so – just because you didn’t want to mindlessly toe the company line … or, sin of sins, you actually question the logic underpinning it. In spite of all the yelling and complaining about how counter-jihadists get crucified from the Left-Lib-Prog alliance, I’ve had just as bad from my own side.

            I would agree, though, that this has all gotten WAY off-topic, and maybe we are all giving this problem a little too much free rent in our heads. Sounds (to me) like it is time to move on, and get back on-topic, IMAO … not that anyone was asking.

            “The worst vice is advice.” John Milton / Al Pacino, “The Devil’s Advocate”

          • Drakken

            I can understand your thoughts and feelings on the subject, I do believe that we have to separate the wheat from the chaff as so to speak. It really is a very simple matter, the intelligentsia just get to caught up in the semantics of it all. War in the end, does solve all things if done correct.

          • Ken Zevo

            Since R.A. Heinlein has penned words far better than any of mine, I will let him do my talking for me:

            From Robert Heinlein’s sci-fi classic, “The Starship Troopers”

            One girl told him bluntly: “My mother says that violence never settles anything.”

            “So?” Mr. Dubois looked at her bleakly. “I’m sure the city fathers of Carthage would be glad to know that. Why doesn’t your mother tell them so? Or why don’t you?”

            They had tangled before — since you couldn’t flunk the course, it wasn’t necessary to keep Mr. Dubois buttered up. She said shrilly, “You’re making fun of me! Everybody knows that Carthage was destroyed!”

            “You seemed to be unaware of it,” he said grimly. “Since you do know it, wouldn’t you say that violence had settled their destinies rather thoroughly? However, I was not making fun of you personally; I was heaping
            scorn on an inexcusably silly idea — a practice I shall always follow.

            Anyone who clings to the historically untrue — and thoroughly immoral — doctrine that `violence never settles anything’ I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and of the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms.”

            He sighed. “Another year, another class — and, for me, another failure. One can lead a child to knowledge but one cannot make him think.”

          • Drakken

            You certainly are subtle, I certainly give you that, I am a fan of Heinlein, and read quite a bit from him. The only reason we still talk of Carthage, is because we all fear it and it was completely effective. There is no morality in war, only the Victor and the vanquished. You also remember that book of Heinlein’s also advocated for only those with military service should be allowed to be citizens. Maybe after all is said and done, it’s something that could be visited.

          • Ken Zevo

            Beats a cliché one-liner, don’t it, lol.

          • Drakken

            Everyday is a holiday, every meal is a feast and every formation is a family reunion. ;)

  • Shel Zahav

    The world would be so much better off without Islam.

    • Lightbringer

      Yes, but the Almighty runs the world, we don’t. Obviously the muzzies have a part to play in the grand scheme. I agree with your point, but we, unlike G-d, have no concept of the whole picture. We just have to keep fighting and protecting what is left of Western Civilization and of course Israel.

  • Infovoyeur

    Reza Aslan talked at our college earlier. (1) Asked by a student what sharia was, he said; “Oh, just things from the 7th century we don’t do any more, plus settling family disputes in our own courts.” (You here can unpack THAT one–ju-jitsu rhetoric.) (2) Claimed huge islamophobia existed–but where the evidence? (3) As cause of IP, NEVER mentioned terrorism (the clear elephant in the room). (4) Said that a generation from now, anti-Muslim bias will drop in U.S.A. due to integration. (Hmm, what about the Stages of Conquest?) (5) And briefly smeared Freedom Center people.
    –and we all walked out the door feeling good with the skilled propaganda soothing us. (A liberal audience–and they never do seem to see certain realities…)

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Someone should have asked reza to explain world-wide jihad.

      The kind of jihad that produces
      - 9/11
      - 1993 truck bombing of WTC
      - 7/7/05 bombing of passenger plane Pan Am 103
      - Nairobi Kenya mall massacre
      - Mumbai India massacre
      - 8 year Iraq/Iran war
      - 1988 poison gassing of Halabja Iraq – 5,000 died
      - Luxor Egypt attacks on tourists
      - Current day Slavery in Sudan and Mauritania
      - Fascist Iran using children to clear mine fields
      - Beheading of Lee Rigby
      - Beheading of journalist Daniel Pearl
      - Murder of filmmaker Theo Van Gogh
      - Near nuclear war between India an Pakistan – a land dispute
      - Open threats of 9/11 scale attacks on the UK and Europe
      - Boko Haram kidnapping of 300 girls in Nigeria
      - Bombing of churches in Pakistan and Nigeria

      • Americana

        Oh, you’re not allowed to actually **explain** world wide jihad. I was just banned today on Atlas Shrugs for stating that 4 jihadists attacked the United States because of the Palestinian situation. No, you’re not supposed to actually ever talk about the realities behind the 9/11 jihadists and others who’ve attacked the U.S. because of the Palestinian situation, you’re just supposed to sound shocked all the time and pretend these attacks are coming out of thin air, for no reason at all. Like the recent thread on Atlas Bugged where Pamela Geller tried to pretend there was no **reason** the 9/11 hijackers attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and attempted to attack the White House. No, no, no… no way should any poster on Atlas Shrugs mention that Osama bin Laden mentioned in every single major video (and especially on the 9/11 video) that he was fighting for justice for the Palestinians and for Westerners to get out of Muslim lands.

        • Drakken

          No more islam, no more problem. You certainly are a whinny goat f**ker aren’t you?

          • Americana

            Drakken, Word Police here! Please correct your spelling. Or maybe just correct your species reference in your post?! Or maybe correct your grammar?#$!! You screwed up your English, man, so correct it or someone might claim you’re not an “American.”

            Horses WHINNY, people WHINE. In this sentence of yours, I’d be a WHINING goat f**ker not a WHINNY goat f**ker.

            Thank you, the Word Police Management.

          • Drakken

            Oh how quaint and pedestrian of you to be a tad niggly with words.

          • Americana

            Well, since I was told I wasn’t an American based upon several instances of Jihad Watchers questioning my use of words like “onslaught” I’ve gotten to be quite the stickler about language. Just wanted you to know I’m a British-Irish American who’s fairly knowledgeable about her mother tongue.

          • Drakken

            Quit bloody worrying about what other people say and grow a thicker skin for Christ’s sake, you whine like a little kid that had his cookie taken away from him and are butt hurt over it. Maybe, just maybe, you might actually learn something instead of bitch and whine about getting your feelings hurt.

          • Americana

            I’m not “bitching and whining about getting my feelings hurt.” I’m bitching and whining about my facts not being allowed to be published facts because they don’t agree w/the presentation of the facts on certain web sites. I’m not the only one that “might learn something” in this situation. Banning legitimate voices only serves to undermine this conversation just as presenting known falsehoods serves to delegitimize the conversation on these political web sites.

          • Drakken

            I do believe that your facts are a tad crooked to a fault. You don’t have to agree to a bloody thing that is said, but you do have a responsibility to know what the bloody h*ll your talking about. You have obviously never been to a foreign muslim land before, and take someone else’s word that they are just like us and that all cultures are equal, when it is as clear as day they are not.

          • Americana

            Prove my facts crooked if you can, but I think you’ll find that it’s your perspective that’s off. I’ve visited a fair number of countries in the Middle East. I’ve never ONCE said they’re “just like us.” I’ve said that Islam is something we have to contend w/for the foreseeable future and hope for them to have the courageous Muslim progressives keep coming forward till Islam achieves a reformation.

            Humans are humans the world over. That means that all the pernicious behaviour you assert Muslims demonstrate is also found in Western societies. This idea that because there is homosexuality in the Middle East and that they have a word for those boys who are bought as sexual partners (can’t remember the term??) isn’t all that different from the American Man-Boy Love Association which tried to legalize under-age man-boy consensual sexual relations a few decades ago. It’s still around but has gone underground. This idea that because you believe there is tremendous bestiality in the Muslim world is ludicrous given the rise of bestiality in the U.S. and in Europe. Look up Larry Spink if you want to find out about tourism bestiality. It’s tough enough figuring out the political issues provoking these jihads being declared without muddying the waters w/all sorts of spurious social issues that CAN’T POSSIBLY BE DIFFERENT FOR ISLAMIC SOCIETIES. They’re HUMAN, therefore they suffer from the same percentages of homosexuality and bestiality as the rest of the world’s human populations. As for my ignorance of all things Islamic, my sister was dean of a women’s university in the Middle East. She also was a professor in Sri Lanka as well as other Middle Eastern countries. I was the sister who told her she must leave Sri Lanka (a country that she adored) because I didn’t consider it safe for an outspoken American educator after there was a bombing near her university in downtown Colombo. So don’t go telling me i don’t know anything about Islam and Muslim societies just because I don’t sprinkle my posts w/all sorts of dire hadiths. I’ve read the Qu’ran, the hadiths and assorted other reference works. Being able to recite 20 or 40 or 2000 of them doesn’t mean you’ve got foreign policy insights as is amply evident by the quoting that’s done. Ignorance is in the eye of the beholder and I bet you’d be surprised who’s considered ignorant and of what they’re considered to be ignorant.

    • Ken Zevo

      As I have been saying, up and down this thread, Reza Aslan is not a nice person. Defeating him with his own words and deeds is just as simple and easy as attaching bad pix of him to web articles … which you have powerfully and thoroughly demonstrated with your talking points above, many thx … and arguably more effective, esp. in the long run, since the Internet has such a long memory.

  • evermoore

    A shocking fact that Reza Aslan fronts for the genocidal, paranoid, warmongering nation of Iran led by 7th century throwbacks. RAPE is common in Iranian jails as a way of punishing pure women who have dared express disagreement with the government. The amorality of Shi’ite Islam surpasses even the Sunnite variety.

  • Alleged Comment

    Everyone knows Demoncraps and the left are so immoral they can say anything and get away with it, unless they are right, then it becomes a problem, but that seldom happens.

    • Americana

      Maybe Aslan just decided to share the joy of being regularly referred to as a “camel f**kr” and a “goat f**kr” on Jihad Watch and Atlas Shrugs. I find it pretty remarkable that Pam would demand outrage on her behalf when this is what Aslan is regularly expected to suffer. How would you deal, Jamie, w/site hosts who regularly court such terminology being applied to you and to your wife and kids? Really, you’d love to be known as Pamela’s ethical journalist CHAMPION, when she’s allowing people on her site to say “those children look like little Arab urchins” and “they don’t look anything like their mother.” and his wife “was a sand shark, even back in high school.” Boy, I’d hesitate to draw the line there, Jamie, but you know you own mind. It might have been funnier if Aslan had taken the old NY Times Bestseller line to a farethewell w/reading his own Jesus/Zealot to Pam until she decided to swim for it.

      However, I think the level of discourse on those sites is pretty clearly manipulated. After all, Pamela Geller isn’t really for free speech. She’s for speech that contains precisely the tone she wants and “camel f**kr” is obviously the desired tone since that’s what she allows to remain on the site. She bans other intelligent commentary and she certainly doesn’t allow posts that mention the stated rationale of the 9/11 jihadists. She pretends that the 9/11 strikes came just because “those Saudis wanted to commit jihad” and “they just happened to choose the United States for their target.” It’s amazing she makes a living at peddling precisely these qualities of lies but, hey, more power to her. The fact it comes at the price of getting into a war of words that involves a man, a woman, a camel, a goat, a desert island, a good book and no mention of Remoras for drinks is free-wheeling cruisin’-for-a-bruisin’ intellectual life on the advocacy web

      • Drakken

        Aslan needs a short rope with a long drop, the jihadist loving goat f**ker deserves everything that he has coming to him. No more islam, no more problem.

        • Americana

          Charming. Journalistically, this will go down as a period w/the most flagrant misuse of historical facts by partisan media the U.S. has ever seen.

          A farmer friend is a goatherd. She makes fine artisanal goat cheese in Rhode Island. No goats anywhere deserve to be f**ked over to earn partisan debate points, by you or by anyone else.

          • Drakken

            That is your problem right there, your a New England Progressive, who actually believes in things that are not true. In case you haven’t been to the Middle and Far East or Africa for that matter, the muslims do seem to have a nasty problem with mating with goats and sheep since muslims are verboten to date much less look at a woman. So that is why we use the term goat f**kers. Your welcome.

          • Americana

            In case you weren’t aware of it, we’ve got quite a large contingent of American bestiality folks who don’t have a clue about Islam but who are still practicing goat f**kers and dog f**ckers and horse f**kers so let’s just consider the potential for bestiality to be something to which some percentage of humanity is prone. Oh, and I’m not a New England Progressive or any other label you’d care to slap on me… I’m not going to look up additional web info for you, you can pollute your own machine. Bestiality is alive and well and flourishing in America and Europe among regular ole white folks.

            http://gawker.com/5519468/bestiality-farm-with-mice-in-vaseline-was-americas-own-sex-tourism

          • Drakken

            My friend, as kind as I can possibly be, I am going to try to explain a few simple facts to you. In islam, women are men’s property and inbreeding is a very serious problem, boy buggery is the norm, not the exception, the same with animals and it is not frowned upon in muslims lands, like it is seriously frowned upon here in the west. You seem to really trying your best to give equivalency to a culture that does not shine a candle to ours.

  • Guest

    As with Robert Spencer’s web site, the author of this article has picked a severely unflattering headshot picture of Mr. Aslan (to put it mildly.) On a web site like Frontpage, where authors are constantly complaining about counter-jihadists being demonized in the Main Stream media, it seems pretty hypocritical to use a picture that basically is guaranteed to do the same to Mr. Aslan. I checked Wikipedia, and found that they have a considerably more neutral headshot of Reza included in their article about him. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Aslan or see below)
    If this picture is good enough for Wikipedia’s standards, why is it not good enough for Robert Spencer or Frontpage? I am no huge fan of Reza Aslan, but this is demonization and yellow journalism, plus hypocrisy. Don’t do unto others what you complain about when it is done to you. It not only gives up the moral and ethical high ground, it also damages your credibility AND puts both the author’s and the web site’s character into question, as well as their honesty.
    Let us not become that which we are fighting against.

    • Ken Zevo

      Mod? Could you plz delete this duplicate post? This happens every time I forget to attach a picture. With Disqus, here is no way to attach pix in edit mode, so I have to cut & paste the text over to an entirely new post, and “delete” the older version, which then also generates these duplicates by “guest”, for some reason.

  • Ken Zevo

    As with Robert Spencer’s web site (JihadWatch.com, see links below), the author of this article has picked a severely unflattering headshot picture of Mr. Aslan (to put it mildly.) On a web site like Frontpage, where authors are constantly complaining about counter-jihadists being demonized in the Main Stream media, it seems pretty hypocritical to use a picture that is basically guaranteed to do the same to Mr. Aslan. I checked Wikipedia, and found that they have a considerably more neutral headshot of Reza included in their article about him. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Aslan or see below)

    If the picture below is good enough for Wikipedia’s standards, why is it not good enough for Robert Spencer or Frontpage? I am no huge fan of Reza Aslan, but this is demonization and yellow journalism, plus hypocrisy. Don’t do unto others what you complain about when it is done to you. Demonizing not only gives up the moral and ethical high ground, it also damages your credibility AND puts both the author’s and the web site’s character into question, as well as their honesty.

    Let us not become that which we are fighting against. When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water, because it gives better results. With all the things that Mr. Aslan has done wrong (according to the several news articles provided as evidence in the past, by both JihadWatch and Frontpage), there is more than enough low hanging fruit available out there, that can be easily verified and proven, without having to resort to “dirty fighting” tactics like these pix.

    Convict a man with evidence – of which there appears to be a bountiful supply – not cherry-picked pictures. This is not the act of a responsible journalist; it is thinly-veiled character assassin.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/05/reza-aslans-ugly-rape-fantasies
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/best-selling-author-reza-aslan-lectures
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/11/reza-aslan-board-member-of-islamic-republic-lobbying-group-niac-cheers-iran-nuke-capitulation
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/reza-aslan-biblical-story-of-noah-barely-four-verses-long

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    • Drakken

      I am always reminded that those who take the high moral ground are always buried in it. Islam is at war with the west and here you want to play by Queensbury rules. Sooner or later, and I’m betting on sooner, this is going to get extremely bloody. As for that propagandist Azlam, he should have been at the end of a rope a long time ago.

      • Ken Zevo

        In war, the high ground is almost always the preferred place to be.

        I am not asking to play by Queensbury rules; I am asking that we play by the same rules we expect of them, and hold to the same set of standards that we complain about – loudly (myself included) – when they don’t live up to them. This isn’t winning, it is shooting ourselves in the foot … and the internet has a LONG memory.

        Otherwise, I agree with you. I also think things will get uglier, and bloodier, as time goes by. I also expect things to get worse sooner rather than later. And, as for Reza Aslan, I would be satisfied with tattooing him from head to toe with the words “Null and Void” and then releasing him back into the wild. Just kidding, although it does paint an interesting mental picture. Seriously, he’s already hung himself with his own words. All you, I, and the rest of the counter-jihad movement need to do is use his own words against him. As I have already said, there’s plenty of low hanging fruit out there, all we have to do is collect and distribute it. In the long run, that will get us more mileage in the court of public opinion than that silly picture at the top of this page, or the fluff piece that follows it, ever could or would.

        “According to some modern moralists whenever Zulus cut off the heads of dead Englishmen, Englishmen must cut off the heads of dead Zulus. Whenever Arabs or Egyptians constantly use the whip to their slaves, Englishmen must use the whip to their subjects. And on a similar principle (I suppose), whenever an English Admiral has to fight cannibals the English Admiral ought to eat them. However unattractive a menu consisting entirely of barbaric kings may appear to an English gentleman, he must try to sit down to it with an appetite. He must fight the Sandwich Islanders with their own weapons; and their own weapons are knives and forks.” G.K. Chesterton

        • Drakken

          As experience has born out time and time again where dealing with muslims are concerned, an iron fist always is the first and second rule, anything less is considered weakness that is always exploited by these bloody savages.
          I am afraid my friend, that the times of niceties and pleasantries are coming to an end, and we are going to be moving into a rather very unpleasant time of unintended consequences that will catch most of the western world flat footed.

          • Ken Zevo

            You are probably right, and I whole-heartedly agree with what you have said.

          • Americana

            No one is allowed to simply point at the different battlefields on the different continents, disingenuously yell “Worldwide jihad!” and ignore all the ancillary realities to each regional or national jihad.

          • Drakken

            Islam is islam, no matter the flavor or stripe, and where ever islam goes, the bloody always flows, without exception. No more islam, no more problem.

        • Americana

          You really believe the counter-jihad movement benefits from eliminating opinions if they’re identified as not being not quite rabidly death-to-jihadis as some would like? This is a serious question because I’ve seen the editorial control of the counter-jihad message venture into uncharted territory on these sites.

          Using tactics like telling me I’m totally ignorant of women’s status under Islam because I insisted my sister was the dean of a women’s university in the Middle East. To that statement, I was told on Jihad Watch that women aren’t allowed to be ABOVE MEN in any hierarchy, never mind being Dean of a women’s university. So, presto, changeo, I’m a liar and my sister never served as the dean of a Middle Eastern women’s university because the Jihad Watchers decided that my message contradicted their message that women are subjugated under Islam. Oh, and you, Americana, don’t know anything about the Middle East so shut up. That aspect of the thread (on women’s education and what’s happening in Saudi Arabia w/their new King Abdullah University of the Sciences) was totally co-opted by people telling me I was lying on the basis of HADITHS!!! I mean, COME ON! Where is the REALITY HERE???

          • Ken Zevo

            I agree with the points Drakken has made, but not the way he has expressed them. In concept, he is correct:

            1. Islam is Islam, just like chocolate is chocolate, and there is only one food that tastes like bacon (and it is BACON!) Whatever you add Islam too, takes on a distinctly Islamic flavor.
            2. Islam causes blood and destruction wherever it is practiced by the majority.
            3. We wouldn’t be having many of these problems if it weren’t for Islam, and I would like to see Islam buried in the graveyard of history within my lifetime (not that I expect that it will … quite to the contrary.)

            Does that clear things up a bit?

          • Americana

            I’ve never suggested Islam doesn’t categorially remain Islam at all times. But it does have significant sociological influences around the world or it wouldn’t have developed the schisms and factions that is has done over time. Surely, you can’t possibly be suggesting that the Sunnis and the Shias and the Ahmaddis and others are melded into one mindset? Just like every religion, Islam has its social strengths and its social weaknesses. Those social weaknesses will eventually serve to undermine it and humanize it in the ways we’re desirous of here in the West. In fact, to me at least, I see that process as having already begun. I just don’t have any insight as to when I believe it will have achieved its aim of profound reformation.

            Don’t worry about my blood pressure. Discussions are just that in my family, and I never lose it simply because there are those who disagree.

          • Ken Zevo

            I am hanging up my counter-jihad spurs for a while, at least on this site. I am really upset that, after three days of speaking out about it, that ridiculous head shot of Reza Aslan is still being used. This site needs more help than I can give. The author of this article, and the staff protecting him, are no better than those they oppose, when it comes to this sort of childish demonization. The two sides are just opposite faces of the same coin: playing dirty when it suits them, and then yelling bloody murder about the other side’s dirty plays, when THAT suits them too. It’s like having their cake and eating it too … and I can’t see a splinter’s worth of difference between the way each side demonizes the other.

            No one seems particularly interested in holding the author nor FPM accountable for their actions, or even holding them to their own self-proclaimed standards of moral and ethical behavior. The prevailing feeling appears to be, “The other guys do it to us, so now we get to do it right back to them”, like 2 wrongs can somehow make a right. Someone needs to teach them about the logical fallacy of using a “tu quoque” defense: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

            It appears to me that, when FPM staff have the upper hand, they then act the same as the opponents they complain so bitterly about. Apparently, they think “the ends justify the means” here. I don’t. This is what I think:

            “Usually, terrible things that are done with the excuse that progress requires them are not really progress at all, but just terrible things.” Russell Baker

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEDLI3baJpw

            (skip to time index 2m14s)

          • Drakken

            If you had ever been in a muslim land you would know what your talking about which you don’t. Please know and understand the subject matter before spouting off about things you have no concept or clue about. Your all about, I feel therefore I am, as your talking points, instead of cold, harsh facts, which seems to give you a case of the vapors.

          • Americana

            How many times do I have to state that I have toured parts of the Middle East and that my oldest sister has been a college professor in several Middle Eastern countries as well as an educator in Sri Lanka? If that’s not getting up close and personal w/Islam, I’m not sure what qualifies! That’s exposure to Islam in TWO DIFFERENT HEMISPHERES for pete’s sake, on top of my exposure to Islam here in the U.S.!

            In fact, if my sister being a dean of a women’s university in the Middle East didn’t bother the Jihad Watchers so much, they wouldn’t have tried to SELL THE LIE to JW readers that it’s not allowed under sharia to have a woman be the head of an educational institution! It would have been a rather strange thing not to have an all-women faculty if it were being run under sharia rules, but, hey, whatever Jihad Watch wants for facts, Jihad Watch creates for facts. So the regular cast of JW characters all piled on trying to prove it just wasn’t possible. At any rate, it was HYSTERICAL to watch the Jihad Watchers try to dig up hadiths proving this could never happen —– that not only are women never, ever educated in the Middle East but that a woman would never, ever be the dean of a university there. Possibly true, but she was the dean of a WOMEN’S UNIVERSITY.

    • pete

      ya ever see the HATE pix the lefties and other smearmongers use against Geller?

      • Ken Zevo

        Yes, I have. That is EXACTLY why I am pointing this sort of demonization out. If it is wrong for them, then it must be wrong for us counter-jihadists too; and, if we want to be able to complain about it, we can’t be giving them ammunition to fire back against us, when we do. When we demonize them, we compromise our moral and ethical right to bitch about it, when they demonize us back. Or again, as the case may be.

        If anything, we become worse than they are, because they were already acting like savages; we had to LOWER out standards, to get down to their level.

        • Drakken

          Overkill is highly under rated.

      • Ken Zevo

        Yes, I have. So, if it is wrong, underhanded, and despicable when the Left do it her, then – by that very same judgment – what does it say about us, if we sink down to that level too, and act the same way towards Reza Aslan?

        “The forces of evil require just as much strength of will as do the angels of goodness; it is only the force of character that is missing.” James A. Michener

  • Americana

    To be realistic, folks on both sides of this issue make such comments since the responses I’ve always seen about Reza Aslan have Geller’s folks labeling him a “goat f**kr* and a *camel f**kr* and so on. That’s also true for Jihad Watch where a similar calibre of commentary reigns. (There must not be any Arabian horse fanciers on these sorts of BBs though because f**king an Arab stallion hasn’t yet been used as a term of endearment by anyone that I’ve seen.) I’m sure Aslan would have gotten the same ream if he’d said he’d simply read the Qu’ran to Pam until she finally decided to swim for it and she drowned.

    I had a very similar slur thrown my way on Jihad Watch. Since I’d already had a rocky initiation on JW, I finally started including references to that hideous remark every few posts whenever I was told I was lying about this, that and the other. I was told numerous times by Jihad Watchers that I was “lying” about the slur. I said I wasn’t using it as a “pity me tactic” but, rather, I was FURIOUS someone would dare use that sort of BS tactic to discredit and shame their opponent in a discussion. It was 2 months before the woman who’d made the remark had the guts to step up and admit it. In the meantime, the closed ranks on Jihad Watch were hysterical to watch as first one and then another would shame me by claiming I was lying about it. My god, have those folks really got so little honesty? To think they feel it’s fine using sexual slurs in debates. Wouldn’t this be the norm on the televised Presidential debates if it was desirable behaviour? Curious that it’s JUST FINE for Pamela Geller to get on her high horse about having an insult slung her way when she permits all sorts of coarse and crude remarks to be thrown around on her site while eliminating posts she finds too unpalatable for her editorial perspective. Free speech is alive and well in the United States. It just doesn’t exist on either Atlas Shrugs or on Jihad Watch.

  • Americana

    Maybe Aslan just decided to share the joy of being regularly referred to as a “camel f**kr” and a “goat f**kr” on Jihad Watch and Atlas Shrugs. I find it pretty remarkable that Pam would demand outrage on her behalf when this is what Aslan is regularly expected to suffer. How would you deal, Jamie, w/site hosts who regularly court such terminology being applied to you and to your wife and kids? Really, you’d love to be known as Pamela’s ethical journalist CHAMPION, when she’s allowing people on her site to say “those children look like little Arab urchins” and “they don’t look anything like their mother.” and his wife “was a sand shark, even back in high school.” Boy, I’d hesitate to draw the line there, Jamie, but you know you own mind. It might have been funnier if Aslan had taken the old NY Times Bestseller line to a farethewell w/reading his own Jesus/Zealot to Pam until she decided to swim for it.

    However, I think the level of discourse on those sites is pretty clearly manipulated. After all, Pamela Geller isn’t really for free speech. She’s for speech that contains precisely the tone she wants and “camel f**kr” is obviously the desired tone since that’s what she allows to remain on the site. She bans other intelligent commentary and she certainly doesn’t allow posts that mention the stated rationale of the 9/11 jihadists. She pretends that the 9/11 strikes came just because “those Saudis wanted to commit jihad” and “they just happened to choose the United States for their target.” It’s amazing she makes a living at peddling precisely these qualities of lies but, hey, more power to her. The fact it comes at the price of getting into a war of words that involves a man, a woman, a camel, a goat, a desert island, a good book and no mention of Remoras for drinks is free-wheeling cruisin’-for-a-bruisin’ intellectual life on the advocacy web.

  • Americana

    Maybe Aslan just decided to share the joy of being regularly referred to as a “camel f**kr” and a “goat f**kr” on Jihad Watch and Atlas Shrugs. I find it pretty remarkable that Pam would demand outrage on her behalf when this is what Aslan is regularly expected to suffer. How would you deal, Jamie, w/site hosts who regularly court such terminology being applied to you and to your wife and kids? Really, you’d love to be known as Pamela’s ethical journalist CHAMPION, when she’s allowing people on her site to say “those children look like little Arab urchins” and “they don’t look anything like their mother.” and his wife “was a sand shark, even back in high school.” Boy, I’d hesitate to draw the line there, Jamie, but you know you own mind. It might have been funnier if Aslan had taken the old NY Times Bestseller line to a farethewell w/reading his own Jesus/Zealot to Pam until she decided to swim for it.

    However, I think the level of discourse on those sites is pretty clearly manipulated. After all, Pamela Geller isn’t really for free speech. She’s for speech that contains precisely the tone she wants and “camel f**kr” is obviously the desired tone since that’s what she allows to remain on the site. She bans other intelligent commentary and she certainly doesn’t allow posts that mention the stated rationale of the 9/11 jihadists. She pretends that the 9/11 strikes came just because “those Saudis wanted to commit jihad” and “they just happened to choose the United States for their target.” It’s amazing she makes a living at peddling precisely these qualities of lies but, hey, more power to her. The fact it comes at the price of getting into a war of words that involves a man, a woman, a camel, a goat, a desert island, a good book and no mention of Remoras for drinks is free-wheeling cruisin’-for-a-bruisin’ intellectual life on the advocacy web.

  • Americana

    Maybe Aslan just decided to share the joy of being regularly referred to as a “camel f**kr” and a “goat f**kr” on Jihad Watch and Atlas Shrugs. I find it pretty remarkable that Pam would demand outrage on her behalf when this is what Aslan is regularly expected to suffer. How would you deal, Jamie, w/site hosts who regularly court such terminology being applied to you and to your wife and kids? Really, you’d love to be known as Pamela’s ethical journalist CHAMPION, when she’s allowing people on her site to say “those children look like little Arab urchins” and “they don’t look anything like their mother.” and his wife “was a sand shark, even back in high school.” Boy, I’d hesitate to draw the line there, Jamie, but you know you own mind. It might have been funnier if Aslan had taken the old NY Times Bestseller line to a farethewell w/reading his own Jesus/Zealot to Pam until she decided to swim for it.

    However, I think the level of discourse on those sites is pretty clearly manipulated. After all, Pamela Geller isn’t really for free speech. She’s for speech that contains precisely the tone she wants and “camel f**kr” is obviously the desired tone since that’s what she allows to remain on the site. She bans other intelligent commentary and she certainly doesn’t allow posts that mention the stated rationale of the 9/11 jihadists. She pretends that the 9/11 strikes came just because “those Saudis wanted to commit jihad” and “they just happened to choose the United States for their target.” It’s amazing she makes a living at peddling precisely these qualities of lies but, hey, more power to her. The fact it comes at the price of getting into a war of words that involves a man, a woman, a camel, a goat, a desert island, a good book and no mention of Remoras for drinks is free-wheeling cruisin’-for-a-bruisin’ intellectual life on the advocacy web

    • Ken Zevo

      Pam Geller has a good message, and terrible delivery. Watch her on video sometime. Many of her YouTube videos progress in the same fashion: she starts off calm, cool, collected, and begins laying out her talking points like a rational human being. As time goes by, she gets more and more emotional, increasingly tense and hyper, her speaking voice gets shriller and shriller, she starts to stutter and her train of thought begins to break up. By the end, she can be ranting and raving like a televangelist on meth. Another beautiful idea crushed under a poor presentation, and it breaks my heart every time I watch her doing it. It’s like watching a perfectly cooked chocolate soufflé being drowned in Heinz ketchup.

      I don’t think I need to tell you what has happened to me, when I have tried to point this out on JW and Atlas.

      • Drakken

        Nothing wrong with criticism, and nothing wrong with a little passion as well.

  • Lanna

    Amazing the goals and hateful nature of these Islamists…is this the best they could do with their lives?

  • DVult

    That picture is in the same category as rap music, basketball, hillbilly clinton, bambi, biteme, super glue on the toilet seat and being tortured to death – all things which are extremely unpleasant and which I would like to avoid.

  • Drakken

    I got and understand your point and to a certain extent, I agree with it, but when the left plays by no rules, it is best to meet them up front and personal and then close and destroy them by fire and maneuver. Make no mistake, the left/progs are at war with the average westerner, it is about time we bloody well act like it.

  • Americana

    That’s very possibly true, Ken, which is a pretty sad statement about their society and its hoped-for goal of absolutely pristine virgins by means of closing off men from interacting w/women This is yet another reason for Islam to dump its sharia-determined social behaviour and “normalize” the relations between men and women as soon as possible.

  • Ken Zevo

    Well, it’s been 3 days since I pointed out (with hard evidence) that the picture of Reza Aslan, at the top of this article, was being used to demonize him unfairly … and that post (with all it’s linx to evidence) has mysteriously vanished. I assume it has been deleted by FP staff, but really don’t know. It’s just … gone. And that terrible head shot is still up by the banner, at the top of the page.

    I guess pointing out the hypocrisy of this article running the worst head shot available of Reza Aslan, while complaining loudly about him demonizing Pam Geller at the same time, was a total waste of time. Maybe I should try a different web site, to get my counter-jihad news and info, and cross this one off my list for a while? I don’t care for web sites with such blatant double-standards, nor those who protect and preserve such “do as I say, not as I do” child-like behavior.

  • ibrp

    Reza Aslan as “potty-mouthed creep”. It looks Pamela Geller has found her perfect match.

  • Wolfy Ghalkhani

    Muslims are potty mouths and can be quite vicious especially when they are losing the argument. They have no sense of grace or integrity especially when dealing with non muslims. Thats when muslim arrogance and pride comes into play. Gentlemen and ladies, they are not. The thing for us to do is not be intimidated. Never ever put up with their BS. stand firm. never back off.

  • DJEB

    I didn’t think this site could make more of a joke out of itself. I admit I was wrong.

  • Don Kosky

    Canada has lost a lot of their liberties. Look at Dr. Laura Schlessinger who can’t speak pubicly about homosexuality in Canada and Mark Steyn who host’s Rush Limbaugh’s show was harassed by Canadian govt. for his stance on Islam. They do not have freedom of speech. And we in America are getting very close to the same tyranny.