German-Israeli Relations Sliding Downward

pic8Earlier this month (January 12, and 13, 2014), Israel welcomed the freshly appointed Social Democrat (SPD) German foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier. Considered a close friend of Israel, Steinmeier has returned to the post he held during Christian Democrat (CDU) Chancellor Angela Merkel’s first term that began in 2005. This visit is Steinmeier’s first foray outside Europe, ostensibly to attend former Prime Minister of Israel Ariel Sharon’s funeral. It is the deteriorating relationship between Germany and Israel, particularly as it related to Israeli construction in Judea and Samaria that is in the background of Steinmeier’s visit.

Speaking to journalists in Jerusalem, Steinmeier pointed out that the destination for his first non-European official visit in his second term of office “bore testimony to the close relations between Germany and Israel.” While in Ramallah however, Steinmeier said that he expected the ‘settlements’ to be a focus of discussion at the next EU Foreign Ministers meeting (January 20, 2014). Steinmeier stated that he already issued a public statement following the first announcement of new building in the settlements, describing it as destructive for Secretary of State Kerry’s efforts, and urged that there be no further announcements.

The historical irony is that Germany has been one of the few reliable friends Israel has had in the EU. The former Warsaw Pact nations of Czech Republic and Poland are the others. However for a long time, Germany was Israel’s closest friend in Europe.

Germany and Israel have had a ‘special relationship’ since the Federal Republic of Germany was resurrected from the ashes of Nazi Germany. With the Nazi Holocaust perpetrated by Germans of the Third Reich as a backdrop, and the Murder of Six million European Jews, including a million and one half Jewish children, Germany launched the policy it called “Wiedergutmachung.”  It refers to reparations that the German government agreed to pay in 1953 to the direct survivors of the Holocaust, to those who were made to work as forced labor and those who otherwise became victims of the Nazis.

The moral responsibility Germans have towards Jews and the Jewish State goes beyond reparations. In Israel, throughout the 1950’s, any contact with Germany was a moral outrage, and the late Prime Minister Menachem Begin railed against accepting “blood money” from Germany. Germany’s historic guilt and moral responsibility is not just for the deliberate murder of European Jews, it is also to the “living Jews” in the Jewish State. 

Christoph Heusgen, Chancellor Angela Merkel’s powerful advisor on national security, is one of those German’s who wants, as he calls it, to “normalize relations” with Israel at the expense of the “special relations” Germany has had with the Jewish state. What Heusgen seeks above all else is legitimization to remove Germany’s historical responsibility for its crimes against the Jewish people and treat Israel as all other nations, based on national interests.

According to a cable from the U.S. embassy in Berlin in 2010, revealed by WikiLeaks, Heusgen urged the U.S. to tone down its opposition to the UN’s anti-Israel Goldstone Report, (which Goldstone later recanted) in order to force Israel to freeze settlement construction (which are legal by anyone’s standards). Chancellor Angela Merkel’s often repeated declarations in Israel’s Knesset and to the U.S. Congress that the Jewish State’s security is non-negotiable for Germany, appears somewhat empty in view of her retention of Heusgen on her staff, with his anti-Israel positions.

A more recent row between Israel and Germany occurred in September, 2012, as the Palestinians sought to bring to the UN General Assembly their request to upgrade their status as an Observer State at the UN. Israel mobilized the former German foreign minister Guido Westerwelle to persuade the majority of its EU partners to abstain, but he failed. Germany agreed with Israel that in case it was unable to convince its partners to abstain, it would vote against the Palestinian request. In the moment of truth, Germany broke its promise to Israel and abstained rather than vote against the Palestinian upgraded status application. If it was up to Heusgen, Germany would have voted in support of the Palestinians along with the other EU members.

Germany is eager to throw the Holocaust guilt off its back, and with encouragement from the European media and academia, it has found the excuses in Israel’s alleged “bad” treatment of the Palestinians, and construction in the ‘settlements,’ which are in fact, communities and towns within Area C, legally administered by Israel. Anti-Semitic expressions in Germany are allowed as long as it is directed towards the Jewish State. According to a 2013 BBC World Service Poll, 8% of Germans view Israel’s influence as positive and 67% view it as negative.

Chancellor Angela Merkel has been nevertheless, the most pro-Israel leader of Germany. She had arranged for the German and Israeli cabinet meetings in Israel in March, 2008, which was the first time the German cabinet met with another cabinet outside of Europe. During her unprecedented speech at Israel’s Knesset in March, 2008, Merkel spoke of Germany’s “Holocaust shame,” and pledged her support for the Jewish state. She said that “The “Holocaust fills us with shame. I bow my head before the survivors and I bow my head before you in tribute to the fact that you were able to survive.” Referring to Iranian President Ahmadinejad’s threat “to wipe Israel off the map,” Merkel said, “Israel’s right to exist is not open to negotiation. These are not just empty words; Germany would support further sanctions on Iran if it fails to cooperate.” 

Merkel went on to say “what do we do when a majority says the greatest threat to the world comes from Israel and not from Iran? Do we bow our heads? Do we give up our efforts to combat the Iranian threat? However inconvenient and uncomfortable the alternative is, we do not do that. If we were to do that, then we would not have understood our historical responsibility, nor would we be able to properly develop a way to deal with the challenges of our day…” Yet, Payvand Iran News reported on December 2, 2008 that “total German-Iranian trade volume rose 7.8% between January and September (2008) compared to the same corresponding period in 2007. The overall bilateral trade volume stood at 3.233865 billion euros. German exports to Iran increased 8.9% and comprised 84.7% of the total German-Iranian trade volume.”

Germany is moreover a signatory to the six-month interim agreement with Iran, signed by the P5+1 (Iran, and U.S., UK, France, Germany, Russia, and China) on November 24, 2013. The agreement clears the way for the partial suspension of U.S. and EU sanctions, and would see thousands of German companies flocking to Iran to do business deals. Around 50 German firms have their own branch offices in Iran and more than 12,000 firms have their own trade representatives in Iran.

Merkel’s words about Iran in her 2008 speech in Israel’s Knesset, and her statements about Germany’s responsibility and support for the Jewish State’s security are negated by Germany’s recent actions. Germany’s continued trade with Iran is a betrayal of Israel and the Jewish people, especially since the Islamic Republic of Iran is committed to the destruction of the Jewish state.

Germany’s position on the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians is skewed as well. Berlin has chosen to overlook the Palestinians quest to replace the Jewish state with an Arab-Muslim one. Germany has preferred to ignore Ramallah’s incitement against Israel by official actions and pronouncements in the Palestinian media, schools, and mosques. Steinmeier’s visit cannot change the fact that Germany seeks to end its “special relations” with the Jewish state, and join the EU anti-Israel chorus.

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  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    The old Germany is still there, under a thin veneer of claimed shame over its past crimes against humanity.

    • http://littlenotesfromparis.blogspot.fr/ Rita

      I am afraid, you might be right – and, with an important migrant population of arab/muslims, it is even worse now.

    • Drakken

      Well nobody here is going after the Russians and their crimes? Ole Stalin was 10 times worse than Hitler ever was, and before you put me on the funeral pyre, I am not advocating or excusing his crimes in any way. Get a little proportion.

      • Silver Garcia

        You are recht. The West and the CIA has helped to block the history of Stalin’s awful murderous purge.

      • Yasha7

        I have Polish relatives who have told me that the Poles hated the Russians much more than the Nazis. I was surprised till I started reading WWI history.

    • Silver Garcia

      The old Europe is still the new Europe. The silver lining is that the EU currency is worthless and the EU has verrrry little of below ground gold or silver. They are in a verrry bad position, on life support because of gazprom. Best to ignore that awful place. No future. No pity. Their future descendants and the small children now will pay in a big way for their crimes. Karma is bad but karma is on the way to the EU zone.

    • Careful with the Whip

      How long do you want to whip them?

      Are they any different than the French? Do you remember the Dreyfus Affair?

      Are we to whip the Japanese also?

      How about whites in the U.S.?

      The policy of favoring the Palestinians over the Israelis is stupid and cannot stand because of its’ own demerits. The policy of opposing Palestinian and Muslim hegemony should not be predicated on guilt. People who act like Menachem Begin did to Germany are asking for a knuckle sandwich. If they keep it up, the fastest way to assuage any guilt assuming they have any for what happened in the grandparents or great grandparent’s time would be to see to the end of Israel.

  • http://www.chaverimisrael.org Norbert Haag

    Unfortunately you are right. And that veneer covers both sides in the German political spectrum. The Left and the Right.

  • rudolf

    Um, why are Germans paying reparations still? If I was a young german this is the first thing I would stop, even after 30 BILLION dollars, there is no appreciation.. Go F yourselves

    • wildjew

      I would have joined with Menachem Begin were I living in Israel in the early nineteen fifties. Begin was right. German reparations are “blood money.” Germany will never be able to erase the stain of her unspeakable crimes. The only good Germans were the very few who fought Adolf Hitler. Some like Sophie Scholl and her brother Hans gave their lives.

    • reader

      Do you know what the exact amount of loot and other economic injury to the German and other European Jewery was, when NSDAP passed Nuremberg laws and subsequently just robbed people en mass? The loot is still being unearthed by chance – like the Speer’s “collection” of high end art. Your comment reeks of demagoguery. If I am a robbery victim and the judge orders the perpetraitor’s wages to be garnished in my favor to compensate me for my injury – should I be shamed by the perpetraitor’s children’s burden? I don’t think so. As far as German youtth concerned, I’d concentrate more on why they should subsidize Italians and Spanyards instead.

    • StanleyT

      “appreciation”???? You want us to appreciate the fact that you murdered entire generations of people? Really? Then that proves you have not changed. You are every bit as bad as your own parents and grandparents – but don’t bother F-ing yourself. You are already morally F-ed.

      For a full appreciation, watch some footage in colour of what you have already done, and no doubt would love to do again:

      youtube (dot) .com/watch?v=3QtfxRTZdKk

      • wileyvet

        Many people StanleyT do not fully or truly grasp the depth of the depravity of Nazism and what The Third Reich perpetrated. It was monstrous. Anyone with an ounce of decency or moral clarity could never make excuses for such evil. I share your outrage and indignation for those who lack such understanding.

        • laura r

          take it a step further. people havnt changed. anywhere. they can not & will not see the writting on the walls. the content is different but the form is the same.

          • A Z

            Anyone who is irredentist in nature has to watch themselves. I include myself in the above statement.

            You are right the content has changed but not the form for any group of people.

        • Mahesh

          Nor will they. Their knowledge of history is shallow and jingoistic.

          The German people are not special and Adolph was just some normal guy, which should scare you. I reject the belief that Adolf was an evil genius. He was not a genius nor inherently more evil than other people through 1919. His oratory skills are explainable. He engaged in debates frequently after he left home while in Vienna. The German Army provided him training in rhetoric before sending him undercover into the the nascent NDSAP after WW1. He further honed rhetoric during the 1920s. Later he had consultants advise him to improve his skills in the later 1920 and early 1930s. People mock his fist banging. It is funny to watch but considering he learned he would have changed his style to suit the time period. He was not stupid and he was not a genius.

          You can do the same analysis on the German people or any people. The 1930s and 1940s were not special. It can happen again with or without neoNAZis or Germans being present.

      • Drakken

        You might want to remember that the people who perpetrated the holocaust are all dead, to demand guilt on their children is a bridge too far.

      • Ai

        StanleyT

        Cities burnt, genocide, enslavement

        Jericho
        Ai
        Lachish
        Zepath
        Hebron
        juttah Debit
        Libnah
        Eglon

        • defcon 4

          Um, Jericho was at war w/the Jewish people. The ancient Hebrews didn’t just attack Jericho on a lark.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      rudolf, adolf, gaydolf,

      Go F yourself.

    • White boy

      You tell them money loving evil bastards

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        You work for meth you dumb sack of SHlTler.

      • defcon 4

        You mean the islam0nazis who run the petrostates right? The ones who have so much money, yet still want to own slaves like their hero muhamMAD did.

      • defcon 4

        Wow, what an original stereotype. Really stepping out from the crowd there eh Adolph? Or should I say Ahmed?

    • yyarko

      The Germans are still paying reparations, because there are still a few holocaust survivors who are alive.

      Would you like to finish them off so you can stop paying?

      • Eli

        I am 1/2 German. Does it make me 1/2 guilty?

        Reparations is one thing but to demand collective guilt is ask for another round of bloodshed.

        • defcon 4

          Duh, is German a race? How can you be half a German? I thought German was a nationality and you’re either all German or not at all.

          • Eli

            The Germans are a race as much as the Cohens are. Look at the Y chromosome distribution.

            But let’s drop the genetics and move on. If one was 1/2 German (i.e had a parent born in Germany) it might stand to reason that they have German relatives their age. It might also stand to reason they see their cousins born the same time they were as no more guilty than they are.

            Blood guilt is a kissing cousin of the one drop rule.

            A case for supporting Israel can be made based on how Muslims have treated around the world in the past, 10 years ago and today. Basing German support for Israel Blood Guilt 69 years later is a recipe for hostility. The NeoNazis will come right out and tell you. The rest will say polite nothings and hate your guts. The rest could be married to Vietnamese, African or anyone else non-Muslim so they are not racists. The German Economic Minister Germany’s, Philipp Rösler, is Vietnamese by birth. Ask him about Blood Guilt.

            The worst thing I heard about Menachim Begin was not Irgun or the 1948 War, but what he said in the 1950s. You might want to ponder his remarks.

          • defcon 4

            German is not a race. You’re delusional

  • Silver Garcia

    1.5 million children. What scum the Germans were and very well be again. That is blood they must carry forever and ever. The problem is that Deutschland is a slave to the Muslim businessman like never before. They want to do business even if it means creating an Auschwitz im der sand.

    • Drakken

      Sorry to burst you little bubble but the Germans despise the turks and arabs in their midst, and sooner or later that is going to come to a head, like the rest of Europe.

      • Silver Garcia

        The Germ(ans) despise all non Germans. But they are creative manufacturers. 1/10 products exported comes from Germany. Germany produces so many things and they are all of the highest quality. A cosmic battle is coming. I never wrote that Germany will succumb to Islam but they are salves to Muslim businessmen and governments. The issue is that Israel should denounce Germany’s business practices.

        • Drakken

          Before you go after us Germans, maybe you should clean up your Spanish backyard first, you have more goddamn muslims in your country that we do in ours.

          • defcon 4

            How do you know he’s Spanish?

          • Drakken

            The Garcia, is a sort of a give away and the way he slaughters the English language that only a Spanish speaker can do.

          • Silver Gonzales

            Du hast nicht recht. It is not ” The Garcia”. It is ” This Garcia”. But the US and the West have too many Muslims. Deport them and their supporters.

            Germans have an affection for the word “slaughter”.

  • wally

    Allowing re-unification was a huge huge mistake, now we’re all saddled with a greater Germany full of pride and arrogance and striving for hegemony in Europe (well, financially she’s already largely achieved it).

    • Drakken

      Germany should never have been split up in the first place.

      • Adam Poznanski

        True: no split, no german nation at all – just Morgenthau!

        • Drakken

          And I want my land and estates in East Prussia back! Pollack.

      • defcon 4

        Patton certainly wanted to stop it. I’m certain the USSR could’ve been pushed back, put who knows how many more would’ve died.

  • Lanna

    The War of Gog and Magog is coming, Russia, Germany and Islamic nations uniting against Israel…Israel doesn’t need the United States as an ally or anyone else,, they will have the God who created the Universe fighting for them, that’s real power above and beyond anything man has known.

    • Drakken

      You have it a tad wrong, Europe, Russia and the US will help Israel in the end if you follow that sort of thing.

      • defcon 4

        I seriously doubt the US will — at least not under the zero or any Democraptic President.

    • gawxxx

      clueless a little lanna , it’s obvious that you know little of biblical prophesy .

  • semsem5

    The Germans are the biggest thieves on the planet. They refused to return all real estate in East Germany belonging to Austrian Jews using stupid excuses. My mother was one of them.

    Merkel is a two faced lying hypocrite.

    • Drakken

      Well the Russians and Poles have never returned my families estates and lands in East Prussia. So spare me the biggest thieves drama, they aren’t.

      • reader

        Drakken, I may understand you better than the most around here, and I disagree with you on this one. Regardless of Russians and the Poles, the Germans owe the Jews big. Apart from all the atrocities and outright looting, they owe them big on the moral grounds. The Jews were accused of betraying Germany in WWI, even though thousands of them were fighting Entente, dying and being maimed in German uniform.

        • defcon 4

          It certainly would be nice to have 6 million more Jews around today.

        • Drakken

          Yes Us Germans do own the Jewish people in protecting them from harm, period ! I agree with that. The problem is, the muslims want them dead and gone, and folks want to go on about how it is the Germans fault and that the Germans must still pay for it, meanwhile the left and their muslim allies continue to press the Judeinfrei agenda, and nobody says a goddamn word about that. That is what is sticking in my craw. The absolute failure in seeing the strategic big picture is what bothers me to no end.

          • defcon 4

            I think it’s a good thing Germany goes out of its way to support Israel and the Jewish people, I just wish they would continue to do so. They are the good guys in an ugly, increasingly islam0fascist world.

  • http://littlenotesfromparis.blogspot.fr/ Rita

    I am German and one word I have for my country of birth is: PFUI, schämt Euch!

  • No RNC

    Everyone needs to discard any guilt leftover from WW2, there were many genocides that occurred during & after the war. Leave the Germans alone!

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Germany is doing quite well. In fact the best in all of Europe.

      And will continue to do well as long as it controls the fascist elements that remain in its culture and history.

      • defcon 4

        Like the rest of western civilisation, they’re being infiltrated, subverted and co-opted by islam0nazis all facilitated by their amoral apathy. Their civilisation is dying and they don’t even know it.

  • richarddonna

    There should be one year of collective guilt for each Jew murdered by the Germans. THAT’s ENOUGH.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      If national Socialist Germany didn’t surrender, unconditionally to the US, UK and SU, on May 7, 1945, it would have been hit by a nuke – like one of those that were dropped on Imperial Japan.

      • defcon 4

        Germany surrendered before Japan — in ’44′.

    • reader

      If you’re raped and robbed by a thug, you can tell the judge that your attacker don’t have to compensate you anything. Lead by example.

      • richarddonna

        You should remember the words of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr in March 1968: “When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You’re talking antisemitism”.

        • reader

          I am a Zionsist, and I’m not a Jew. Now I don’t really know what to do with your post here.

          • defcon 4

            Dr. MLK was smart enough to see that the word Zionist was just a neologism used to disguise antisemitism.

    • Drakken

      Germany has paid for it 10 times over, enough is enough.

      • defcon 4

        Germany is supporting the good guys in the world, I see nothing wrong with that. What I see as wrong, is US tax dollars being used to finance, facilitate and support islam0fascism.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Marks/1266358046 Paul Marks

    If only 8% of Germans have a positive view of Israel the battle for public opinion there is lost – no more effort should be wasted on the Germans. They also hate the United States.

    • Drakken

      Bullshite! Without those Germans you hate so much, Europe would be a quaint little backwater. Your welcome that helped bring you to the 21st century and all that you enjoy today.

      • Adam Poznanski

        Whom do you mean with “you”??

        • Drakken

          The west in general.

          • Adam Poznanski

            Germans are stupid because all brains left. Drakken still is there and enjoys Hartz IV

      • defcon 4

        European culture did exist outside of Germany. Italy had some composers and scientists of note (Volta, Galileo, Da Vinci, Vivaldi, Puccini, Rossini), I think France might have had some as well, maybe even Russia. England had at least one scientist that was more than a match for most anything Germany produced, except for Einstein.

    • Adam Poznanski

      The battle for public opinion is lost, true, but now we should try our best to ruin the f……g crouts. They should be desintegrated as a people and destroyed as nation. They are dangerous for us, they are convicts, let us act!

      • Drakken

        Coming from a Pollack, that is rather amusing.

      • defcon 4

        Are you blind, it’s not Germany that’s the threat to world peace in the 21st century, it’s islam0fascism.

        • Adam Poznanski

          After two WW induces by germans and their smuggle of hi tech to Iran you must be kidding? The crouts nowadays just let other kill for them. Morgenthau ist the best for them!

    • Bert

      There was NO public relations battle because Jewish leaders have always been too cowardly to ever boldly tell the truth in their own defense. They prefer to grovel, make concessions and plead to be left in peace. They willingly trash their own bible which advocates courage. The bible also castigates these cowardly Jews who choose to suck up to the nations rather than to ever stand up for their birthright. Many gentile supports of Israel are disgusted with this Jewish cowardice that also includes Netanyahu as well.

      • defcon 4

        Netanyahu put his life on the line for Israel. I’m certain he fought in the ’73′ Yom Kippur War and probably the Six Day War as well.

    • defcon 4

      Then I hope they enjoy living as dhimmis to their islam0fascist masters. Maybe they can sell their children into islamic slavery as well.

  • Drakken

    The Germans who were responsible for the war are all dead and mostly buried, trying to hold the children or grandchildren of those responsible is a bridge to far, I for one do not have the responsibility or guilt of dead Jewish folks on my hands, period! Nor will I accept that it is my fault nor accept guilt on their behalf. The lesson learned is to not let it happen again to people of the Jewish faith and to defend them where ever they may be. I will not be sacrificed on the alter of PC/MC in order to please and assuage some leftist, self hatred and self guilt, period! Meanwhile the muslims threaten to slaughter you to last man, and you want to sit here and ignore the problem and go after a safe target of your ire. The problems isn’t the Germans or Europeans for that matter, for most of the rank and file European is pro-Israel, the problem is the muslims in our midst who make our pols quake in fear of what they will do if they do not get their way and us fold to their demands. So get your sights on the right targets, because the Germans aren’t your target.

    • laura r

      the children of the nazi generation are very guilty & ashamed. they had many questions. their children, not so much. my friend has been in germany for almost 50yrs, he knows this info. btw, germany gives holocaust survivers 3 times more $ than isreal does. thats good sign, they are compensating.

  • Drakken

    You little kaffir savages will soon find out what happens when you bite the hand that feeds you. You kaffirs needs us, we don’t need you.

  • jaunita

    Just a question…perhaps someone here may be able to answer. A few commenters mentioned Germany paying reparations. If reparations were necessary why were they never paid out to non-Jewish groups who suffered during the holocaust at the hands of the nazis? Over 5 million Ukrainians (non-Jews) died in the same manner during the war…as well as over 3 million Poles. I’ve always wondered….

    • reader

      There WERE reparations paid to the Soviet Union and Soviet controlled Poland, not to mention Poland expelling millions of its former citizens of German ethnicity. And it’s disingenuous to equate what Nazis did to the Jews with anything else. No other “group” was slated for the complete annihilation on the basis of religion or ethnicity.

      • jaunita

        No one is comparing (or equating) anything…only asking a logical question concerning the millions of non-Jews who also lost their lives during the Holocaust. All human life is sacred reader.

        http://www.ukemonde.com/holocaust/victims.html

        • reader

          People lose their lives on highways in thousands. This does not constitute any ground for legal remedy in most cases. I don’t believe you to be so stupid as to miss the point by this much. So, I hope you’re just simply trolling. Yes, simply disliking the Jews makes people do that – especially on this site. I have observed this plenty.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM
  • UCSPanther

    And I’ll bet your little song sucks too. Just like how you suck at life…

  • UCSPanther

    And here’s a gift in return. It is a picture of you outside a synagogue:

  • richarddonna

    REALLY? The government elected by the German people organized and carried out the mass murder of 6000000 million defenseless Jews including 1500000 children!..A civilization of Eastern European jewery was eliminated by the German people…What is enough?

    • Drakken

      And the Russian were entirely way worse, yet you want to but the complete onus on the Germans, bad form ole boy.

      • defcon 4

        So you’re saying Germany should sink to the lowest common denominator? Well, why not just do like the scuzzlums do, and deny any genocide ever occurred (as scuzzlums do in Indonesia, Turkey and the Sudan)?

  • Anukem Jihadi

    Germans from my experience understand shame not guilt.

  • richarddonna

    If you support Israel, that is great. It does not change the fact that antisemites including Muslims just as Dr King makes clear use Zionist as a code word for Jew.

    • defcon 4

      It’s so painfully obvious as well. The nazis, islam0nazis and other delusional antisemites think they’re being so clever by denigrating/demonizing zionists.

  • Bert

    The main issue is always the “occupation” and the “Palestinians”. Note that Israeli leaders and the U.S. Jewish establishment are both guilty of cowardice. They fear to tell the whole truth in support of Jewish rights. The land belongs to Israel and the Palestinians are the occupiers. The solution is simple. the Palestinians must be relocated just as the Jews of Arabs lands were forced to leave. History, the bible, international law, and common sense ALL point to relocation as the best solution for all parties. The refusal of Jewish leaders to tell the simple truth convinces even Israel’s friends that Israel does not believe it is innocent. Any Jew who tries to tell the truth is attacked on all sides by cowardly Jews who would rather die than tell the truth in their own defense.

  • richarddonna

    It is the prime example that there is nothing special about democracy and the vote. It is the result that matters The German people voted right to Auschwitz. Liberals do not understand this nor do they want to understand it.

  • adolph

    The Jews on this board who are so anti-german are harbingers of how jews will feel about america eventually. Jewish culture is so rooted in german culture because the volk kept those lousy people around for centuries within the german kingdoms. do you idiots know that yiddish is a germanic language? your beloved hallah and latkas are german cuisine? the rothchilds are a german family? When america wakes up and turns their back on israel, these same “pro-america” jews will curse out america just like they do germany. the jews in this country are delusional if they think the gravy train toward Israel is going to continue indefinitely. First of, it’s ridiculous that america is supporting a foreign socialist country to the tune of three billion dollars a year. Second, the evangelicals in this country are misreading the NT. It was written my self-hating jews i doubt they envisioned this imagined “judeo-chrisitian” cooperation lol. Thirdly, no one like jews.

    • defcon 4

      Adolph? Or Hamid?

  • wildjew

    Israel has fought and can fight and win her own wars so long as the international community does not meddle. I stand by what I wrote about you yesterday, quoting Churchill:

    — “If a dog makes a dash for my trousers, I shoot him down before he can bite.”

  • Gideon

    I’m Jewish, and while many Jews are leftist, and many are in the media, the fact is, your news is not controlled by Jews, your films are not controlled by Jews, there is no “Jewish agenda” for America, etc. As for wonderful white people, some white (and black, and brown) people have done things to me that are outrageous, disgusting, and very dangerous for all people of good will, whatever color, race, religion etc. There are angry, frustrated, nasty criminal types who have found an organization where they can attack anyone they want to – using drugs – weaponized drugs that can be sprayed at people to knock them out, affect their brains, strongly affect their urges to the opposite gender (or to the same gender), etc. They are extremely disgusting, and yes, they affect YOU.

  • 1Indioviejo1

    Your rant is nuts. Your antisemitism is revolting and I am not a Jew. I read FP and post comments because I agree with some writers. Why do you bother to come and post your stupidity here?

  • defcon 4

    Blame the Jews, the time honored tradition of the delusional.

  • Michael Garfinkel

    Here we have an illustration of the combination of resentment and ignorance – the march of the guttersnipes.

  • Habbgun

    Sorry Ralphie, the Torah is the real Jew central and with Torah we can’t lose. With the Torah good people among Jew and non-Jew can not lose either. You’re doubly screwed.

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled meth addiction and Internet pr0n.

    (Oh by the way would an all powerful group not snap the neck of a slob like you? Of course it would. That should be proof enough that we are not all powerful. Sorry to interrupt you after promising you could go back to your meth intake. You were having some fun.)

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    Go back to your Turd Reich and play Gaydolf and Eva in the bunker on April 30, 1945.

  • iluvisrael

    You aren’t good enough to shine a Jews’ shoes – get lost pathetic troll.

  • UCSPanther

    Off your meds again?

  • laura r

    you give jews so much power. so much that i wonder if this is something they deserve. i had no idea they were the almighty. i wish i had that much power. where can i get some?

  • Drakken

    Your too effing stupid to respond too.

  • Softly Bob

    What a vile, deluded monster you are.

  • laura r

    in a bizarre way, its kind of a compliment. from the great flood to 9/11 to all worldly events, thats quite impressive. for 3/10ths of the world population, they sure know how to roll. ralphie just feels sorry for himself. hes kind of down trodden. have compassion.

  • laura r

    why do the least intelligent people get the most attention on forums? he has jew-itis. its a flyover fixation.

  • laura r

    there are entire websights w/folks like this. stormfront (some decent members but alot of crap), white voice, jew watch, it goes way down from there. peoples ignorance never ceases to amaze me. i dont know who is worse, these people, or mindless left wing liberals.

  • Habbgun

    Its actually not a flyover fixation. Most Jewitis is in leftist circles. losers with chemical addictions and college campuses. These are mostly the losers. He gets attention for the same reason someone spitting in your face gets attention. You can’t reasonably not respond. The point is to let him know he’s not going to be taken any more seriously here than elsewhere. These are usually people their own families are sick of hearing.

  • laura r

    if someones a troll, they should be banned. theres one thing to have a real conversation, another for someone to cause trouble on purpose. i was going to say, jews get it from all ends. white nationalists to left wing.

  • Habbgun

    I’m not so sure banning trolls is the best thing. Most knee jerk liberals sound like trolls which is why these people looking for attention try so much to sound like a talking point. It is easy.

    So why not practice finding out what makes leftists tick? Why not have fun using them as tomato cans and move on to bigger game. What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.

    Besides liberal Jewish websites lap up these slobs and give them the attention they want. Liberal Jews figure the more they can show how tolerant they are the better liked they will be. So you get a sick relationship. The lib Jew congratulates himself on how open minded he is and the trolling slob gets to feel like a big tough man. It makes the troll think certain people are the easiest target. It does a bully good to learn there are people not willing to take their crap. It means they might find a more rewarding hobby
    I’d rather have fun insulting the dirtbag then have him convincing his “friends” Jews are a punching bag.

    You should hear these guys cry to the cops when they actually run into a Jew that can beat the crap out of them. There are some no joke tough Jews out there. I’m glad I’m on there side.

  • Drakken

    Like you, I don’t believe in censorship, I say let them hang themselves with their own words.

  • defcon 4

    I have to admit, I admire anyone Jewish. I’ve listened to antisemitic garbage my entire life (sometimes even directed at me, sometimes from “Christians”). You have to be tough to be Jewish, because it seems you’re born with one strike against you already.