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		<title>By: edenman</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2014 08:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greenwald is currently in NZ aiding Kim.com in trying to disrupt the current election process. By discrediting our PM John Key. He is scheduled to release information on 15 September]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greenwald is currently in NZ aiding Kim.com in trying to disrupt the current election process. By discrediting our PM John Key. He is scheduled to release information on 15 September</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2014 11:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yea Greenwald is a commie, but 9/11 was an inside job and Israel is a marxist terrorist state]]></description>
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		<title>By: Jack203</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2014 18:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Same here SH.  Same here]]></description>
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		<title>By: Jack203</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2014 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very accurate.  Greenwald is the most venomous anti-american fraud ever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very accurate.  Greenwald is the most venomous anti-american fraud ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Lamia</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2014 17:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although this article makes some very good points, I think it is missing the point about Greenwald. 

The article itself notes but does not dwell on the fact that Greenwald has supported the far right Paul against the centre left Obama. 

So am I therefore going to argue that Greenwald &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; right wing? Not at all. It is both not as simple as that and a lot simpler, in my view, than people on left and right, work this up to be. 

The key point about Greenwald is that he is an extremely vindinctive, dishonest and narcissistic person, and all the development of his political views - drawn from far left and far right - comes from that. 

Greenwald once made a rather surprising and revealing admission, which is that until the mid 2000s he was not politically engaged or knowledgable at all. He supported the Iraq invasion on the grounds that he trusted the US President to do the right thing.

Now completely leaving aside whatever one thinks about Iraq, it is startling that someone so incurious about politics even in their mid-30s(!) would within the space of a few years ascend to the position of supposed geo-political world sage extraordinaire. 

And I don&#039;t buy it, in several ways. I don&#039;t buy that Greenwald is an adherent of Marxism, because I don&#039;t believe he knows or cares very much at all about &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; political ideology. He&#039;s too lazy and narcissistic. He specialises in sweeping statements about politics and history that are low or mistaken on detail and in a number of cases suggest he&#039;s guessing or has just skimmed his reading. 

He can give a fairly good &lt;i&gt;impression&lt;/i&gt; of someone who knows what he&#039;s talking about so long as you don&#039;t look too closely. It&#039;s lawyer &#039;learnedness&#039;.
His technique of using bullshit in arguments to misrepresent his oponents and cover the fact that he has basically nothing to propose himself have been well-documented, as have his pitiful forays into internet sock-puppetry.

What Greenwald illustrates, much more than left or right wing politics, is how a bullshitter blessed with zero conscience, a tankful of self-righteousness and a credulous audience, can go quite a long way. I doubt he imagined becoming the world&#039;s great political expert - he just gradually got given bigger and biggers gigs and has made hay telling some very nasty and very stupid people what they want to hear, making sure he strokes their egos and tells them they are specially clever like him. 

Chomsky - the linguist who for no credible reason got invited to be an authority on global politics, has been doing this for decades, and as we know, Chomsky is a leftist for the public and an unapologetic arms-stock-owning capitalist in his personal life. What&#039;s great for the likes of Chomsky and Greenwald is that their far left and far right supporters will give them a free pass for anything they themselves denounce in others.

I appreciate that this is conservative site. I would certainly agree that Greenwald is not remotely a conventional right winger. But he&#039;s not a orthodox leftist either, certainly not a Marxist. I&#039;ll bet he&#039;s never even read a word of Marx. That&#039;s not a defence of Marx; it&#039;s just my belief that Greenwald bluffs his learnedness and &#039;principle&#039; a lot more than many people appreciate. When he endorsed the socialist conference I&#039;d bet inside himself he was jumping up and down with glee at being recognised and accepted by such people as some kind of serious political intellect, just as his ego was tickled by right wingers before. The feeling of validation is what matters, not really where it comes from. 

Greenwald hates most of the same things the far left hates, absolutely, and is more in tune with more people on the left than with the right, but I doubt that he&#039;s ever had any conscious interest in socialism even in a vague utopian sense. He has the socialist&#039;s hatred of capitalism but also the selfishness and small horizons of a libertarian. In practice he is only for himself. I think he is much more a nihilist than a socialist (although I would personally agree that many far leftists today are pretty much civlisational nihilists also, so he does have that in common.) 

He doesn&#039;t have any constructive vision of a society, he just uses whatever ammo is to hand - the demagogue who cultivates the libertarian in one breath and the socialist in the next. More public spending, lower taxes, etc. The Scottish Nationalist politicians Alex Salmond has been pulling that stunt for years.

In the UK we also have George Galloway who, while he&#039;s certainly far left, often betrays a wish for the personal approval of some of his social democrat or conservative opponents. He reached out for a while to Christopher Hitchens, evidently looking for &#039;grudging admiration towards a worthy opponent&#039; status. I think that&#039;s less about politics and more about the ego insecurity of a bullshitter. And I think you can see it with Greenwald too. He likes feeling important. He likes to be asked. He doesn&#039;t much care who asks. And so long as they hate the US government of the day (for whatever reason), Glenn can happily approve of them. He&#039;s pretty much a psychopath.

If you want to have an argument about the merits of left and right wing politics, then go ahead. What I&#039;m saying is that the example of Glenn Greenwald is not going to tell you much about ordinary democratic leftists or democratic conservatives. 

The real problem of Glenn Greenwald, and others such as Assange, Snowden et al is how people as uninformed, vain and plain nasty, not to mention intellectually and morally inconsistent (but insufferably moralistic towards others) have gained such status and media reach, and also the damage they will quite happily inflict on western democracies, and in the service of some really horrible regimes and groups. Their melding of elements of anti-democratic far left and far right alike ought to alarm any sane supporters of democracy - be they Republican or Democrat, Tory, Liberal or Labour. That ought to worry people a lot more than whether Glenn gets named on &#039;their&#039; political side in an article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although this article makes some very good points, I think it is missing the point about Greenwald. </p>
<p>The article itself notes but does not dwell on the fact that Greenwald has supported the far right Paul against the centre left Obama. </p>
<p>So am I therefore going to argue that Greenwald <i>is</i> right wing? Not at all. It is both not as simple as that and a lot simpler, in my view, than people on left and right, work this up to be. </p>
<p>The key point about Greenwald is that he is an extremely vindinctive, dishonest and narcissistic person, and all the development of his political views &#8211; drawn from far left and far right &#8211; comes from that. </p>
<p>Greenwald once made a rather surprising and revealing admission, which is that until the mid 2000s he was not politically engaged or knowledgable at all. He supported the Iraq invasion on the grounds that he trusted the US President to do the right thing.</p>
<p>Now completely leaving aside whatever one thinks about Iraq, it is startling that someone so incurious about politics even in their mid-30s(!) would within the space of a few years ascend to the position of supposed geo-political world sage extraordinaire. </p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t buy it, in several ways. I don&#8217;t buy that Greenwald is an adherent of Marxism, because I don&#8217;t believe he knows or cares very much at all about <i>any</i> political ideology. He&#8217;s too lazy and narcissistic. He specialises in sweeping statements about politics and history that are low or mistaken on detail and in a number of cases suggest he&#8217;s guessing or has just skimmed his reading. </p>
<p>He can give a fairly good <i>impression</i> of someone who knows what he&#8217;s talking about so long as you don&#8217;t look too closely. It&#8217;s lawyer &#8216;learnedness&#8217;.<br />
His technique of using bullshit in arguments to misrepresent his oponents and cover the fact that he has basically nothing to propose himself have been well-documented, as have his pitiful forays into internet sock-puppetry.</p>
<p>What Greenwald illustrates, much more than left or right wing politics, is how a bullshitter blessed with zero conscience, a tankful of self-righteousness and a credulous audience, can go quite a long way. I doubt he imagined becoming the world&#8217;s great political expert &#8211; he just gradually got given bigger and biggers gigs and has made hay telling some very nasty and very stupid people what they want to hear, making sure he strokes their egos and tells them they are specially clever like him. </p>
<p>Chomsky &#8211; the linguist who for no credible reason got invited to be an authority on global politics, has been doing this for decades, and as we know, Chomsky is a leftist for the public and an unapologetic arms-stock-owning capitalist in his personal life. What&#8217;s great for the likes of Chomsky and Greenwald is that their far left and far right supporters will give them a free pass for anything they themselves denounce in others.</p>
<p>I appreciate that this is conservative site. I would certainly agree that Greenwald is not remotely a conventional right winger. But he&#8217;s not a orthodox leftist either, certainly not a Marxist. I&#8217;ll bet he&#8217;s never even read a word of Marx. That&#8217;s not a defence of Marx; it&#8217;s just my belief that Greenwald bluffs his learnedness and &#8216;principle&#8217; a lot more than many people appreciate. When he endorsed the socialist conference I&#8217;d bet inside himself he was jumping up and down with glee at being recognised and accepted by such people as some kind of serious political intellect, just as his ego was tickled by right wingers before. The feeling of validation is what matters, not really where it comes from. </p>
<p>Greenwald hates most of the same things the far left hates, absolutely, and is more in tune with more people on the left than with the right, but I doubt that he&#8217;s ever had any conscious interest in socialism even in a vague utopian sense. He has the socialist&#8217;s hatred of capitalism but also the selfishness and small horizons of a libertarian. In practice he is only for himself. I think he is much more a nihilist than a socialist (although I would personally agree that many far leftists today are pretty much civlisational nihilists also, so he does have that in common.) </p>
<p>He doesn&#8217;t have any constructive vision of a society, he just uses whatever ammo is to hand &#8211; the demagogue who cultivates the libertarian in one breath and the socialist in the next. More public spending, lower taxes, etc. The Scottish Nationalist politicians Alex Salmond has been pulling that stunt for years.</p>
<p>In the UK we also have George Galloway who, while he&#8217;s certainly far left, often betrays a wish for the personal approval of some of his social democrat or conservative opponents. He reached out for a while to Christopher Hitchens, evidently looking for &#8216;grudging admiration towards a worthy opponent&#8217; status. I think that&#8217;s less about politics and more about the ego insecurity of a bullshitter. And I think you can see it with Greenwald too. He likes feeling important. He likes to be asked. He doesn&#8217;t much care who asks. And so long as they hate the US government of the day (for whatever reason), Glenn can happily approve of them. He&#8217;s pretty much a psychopath.</p>
<p>If you want to have an argument about the merits of left and right wing politics, then go ahead. What I&#8217;m saying is that the example of Glenn Greenwald is not going to tell you much about ordinary democratic leftists or democratic conservatives. </p>
<p>The real problem of Glenn Greenwald, and others such as Assange, Snowden et al is how people as uninformed, vain and plain nasty, not to mention intellectually and morally inconsistent (but insufferably moralistic towards others) have gained such status and media reach, and also the damage they will quite happily inflict on western democracies, and in the service of some really horrible regimes and groups. Their melding of elements of anti-democratic far left and far right alike ought to alarm any sane supporters of democracy &#8211; be they Republican or Democrat, Tory, Liberal or Labour. That ought to worry people a lot more than whether Glenn gets named on &#8216;their&#8217; political side in an article.</p>
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		<title>By: GregoryC</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2014 16:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama.]]></description>
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		<title>By: GregoryC</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GregoryC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2014 16:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[USA the greatest country? Greatest murderer perhaps. US is #1 in incarcerated citizens, adult onset diabetes and believing in angels. 70th in health, 39th education, 34th access to water/sanitation, 31st safety, 23rd access to internet. US spends 53% of its discretionary budget from tax revenues on the War Department, although the lower-48 hasn&#039;t been attacked by a foreign military since 1812 from the north or 1848 from the south.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USA the greatest country? Greatest murderer perhaps. US is #1 in incarcerated citizens, adult onset diabetes and believing in angels. 70th in health, 39th education, 34th access to water/sanitation, 31st safety, 23rd access to internet. US spends 53% of its discretionary budget from tax revenues on the War Department, although the lower-48 hasn&#8217;t been attacked by a foreign military since 1812 from the north or 1848 from the south.</p>
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		<title>By: mattd6523</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Passages that provide chuckles: are your baseless and unsupported critique of Greenwald or anyone adversarial to many U.S. policies here and abroad. that are radical and exteme. U.S. violent and unproductive military adventures are nothing to be proud of. Allowing a casino capatal economic system to bankrupt  the country I love and systematically reward the criminality and malfeasance of the Wall Street/Banking perpatratours is one of the cruelest tricks played on me and my fellow citizens.Your repetitive use of buzzwords like Socialism and Communism and portraying those who debunk your american exceptoionalism myths pierce your stunted agruements and lazy reporting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Passages that provide chuckles: are your baseless and unsupported critique of Greenwald or anyone adversarial to many U.S. policies here and abroad. that are radical and exteme. U.S. violent and unproductive military adventures are nothing to be proud of. Allowing a casino capatal economic system to bankrupt  the country I love and systematically reward the criminality and malfeasance of the Wall Street/Banking perpatratours is one of the cruelest tricks played on me and my fellow citizens.Your repetitive use of buzzwords like Socialism and Communism and portraying those who debunk your american exceptoionalism myths pierce your stunted agruements and lazy reporting.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Mulcahy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee Mulcahy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2014 03:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a tea partyer and whether you are on the Left or the Right, Glenn Greenwald is a hero to little people.  


While the left and the right may disagree about the size of the government in  a democracy, we both agree that Glenn Greenwald&#039;s sunshine and transparency on an out of control government in DC is necessary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a tea partyer and whether you are on the Left or the Right, Glenn Greenwald is a hero to little people.  </p>
<p>While the left and the right may disagree about the size of the government in  a democracy, we both agree that Glenn Greenwald&#8217;s sunshine and transparency on an out of control government in DC is necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: bob smith</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2014 12:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a split second after reading your very apt comment, i could think of nothing more than the word sanctimonious...extremely befitting their ilk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a split second after reading your very apt comment, i could think of nothing more than the word sanctimonious&#8230;extremely befitting their ilk.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 02:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Its hard for people to be free when they are constantly on the edge of starvation and homelessness.&quot;

And the only solution is for philanthropic elites to run our government and to visualize socially engineered solutions. The only thing standing in our way is the naysayer class because when we solve these problems they&#039;ll have nobody left to oppress.

&quot;Also, what you just said is the foundation of any system of taxation. It only becomes objectionable to you once that money is spent on the needs of the vast majority of the country&#039;s population, apparently.&quot;

I object to liars and their delusional dupes. In America, we have equality before the law, not equality after you convince others that you tried your best. No, the basis of taxation is not the pursuit of &quot;social justice.&quot;

&quot;Well, if you are a member of the elite classes, one of the members of the middle or poor class that is stepped in the ideology that ungirds their domination of the country&#039;s economic system, it might seem more rational and effective to you.&quot;

You count on mere theories and therefore you assume that it&#039;s just your theories against my theories. I already have proved my theories empirically. Can you say the same thing?

&quot;See above.&quot;





You do realize that we already have objective definitions for concepts like &quot;rights.&quot; don&#039;t you?


I can tell you that all the assumptions you&#039;ve made about the philanthropists of the left, and about me, are wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Its hard for people to be free when they are constantly on the edge of starvation and homelessness.&#8221;</p>
<p>And the only solution is for philanthropic elites to run our government and to visualize socially engineered solutions. The only thing standing in our way is the naysayer class because when we solve these problems they&#8217;ll have nobody left to oppress.</p>
<p>&#8220;Also, what you just said is the foundation of any system of taxation. It only becomes objectionable to you once that money is spent on the needs of the vast majority of the country&#8217;s population, apparently.&#8221;</p>
<p>I object to liars and their delusional dupes. In America, we have equality before the law, not equality after you convince others that you tried your best. No, the basis of taxation is not the pursuit of &#8220;social justice.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, if you are a member of the elite classes, one of the members of the middle or poor class that is stepped in the ideology that ungirds their domination of the country&#8217;s economic system, it might seem more rational and effective to you.&#8221;</p>
<p>You count on mere theories and therefore you assume that it&#8217;s just your theories against my theories. I already have proved my theories empirically. Can you say the same thing?</p>
<p>&#8220;See above.&#8221;</p>
<p>You do realize that we already have objective definitions for concepts like &#8220;rights.&#8221; don&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>I can tell you that all the assumptions you&#8217;ve made about the philanthropists of the left, and about me, are wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 02:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Am I wrong or are you conceding?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I wrong or are you conceding?</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 02:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I&#039;m actually relatively affluent, certainly not starving or anything like that. But I&#039;m aware that millions of people don&#039;t enjoy my good fortune...&quot;

Are you just so narcissistic that you want &quot;the government&quot; to do it so that you can feel philanthropic without really doing anything?

Did you inherit wealth or go through some process where you feel luck had something to do with your social status?

&quot;...and that their misery is being used to subsidize the prerogatives of small class of economic elites (and admittedly my own, to a more limited extent) who are utterly free from material want.&quot;

So you&#039;re saying we have slave plantations still? I was not aware.

&quot;I&#039;d certainly expect someone in a position to implement such changes to have a more coherent plan of action, but given my position as a mere voter I think my general set of ideas is acceptable.&quot;



Don&#039;t ever try to invest in the stock market or anyone else&#039;s ventures. You don&#039;t know how wealth is created and if you think sweet promises are enough to form a sound business plan, the frauds will find you ever time in politics and in the business world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m actually relatively affluent, certainly not starving or anything like that. But I&#8217;m aware that millions of people don&#8217;t enjoy my good fortune&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you just so narcissistic that you want &#8220;the government&#8221; to do it so that you can feel philanthropic without really doing anything?</p>
<p>Did you inherit wealth or go through some process where you feel luck had something to do with your social status?</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;and that their misery is being used to subsidize the prerogatives of small class of economic elites (and admittedly my own, to a more limited extent) who are utterly free from material want.&#8221;</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re saying we have slave plantations still? I was not aware.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;d certainly expect someone in a position to implement such changes to have a more coherent plan of action, but given my position as a mere voter I think my general set of ideas is acceptable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t ever try to invest in the stock market or anyone else&#8217;s ventures. You don&#8217;t know how wealth is created and if you think sweet promises are enough to form a sound business plan, the frauds will find you ever time in politics and in the business world.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 02:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;My primary concern is in creating humane living conditions for the country&#039;s populace. I do not subscribe to the belief that the only way people can be productive is to have them constantly hover over the precipice of destitution and starvation.&quot;

Noble motives.

&quot;Nope. Taxes are an inherently redistributive function of government, but they can be used for either egalitarian or classist ends.&quot;

In theory we could increase taxes and require payment in paper currency, and then burn it. Let&#039;s talk about why we should or should not do some thing or the  other. Why should taxes EVER be raised with the idea of pursuing some radical egalitarian (equitable outcome like communists promise) &quot;social justice&quot; end goal?

&quot;I want them to be used for things like improving the conditions of the country&#039;s most disadvantaged people...&quot;

We all do in principal.

&quot;...instead of for things like blowing up brown people on the other side of the Earth or subsidizing Daddy Warbuck&#039;s eighth island mansion.&quot;

And here I thought we were going to have a rational conversation.

&quot;I&#039;d have to tell you once we even got out of the bed and started moving on that front, figuratively speaking. &quot;

Short answer: You&#039;ll know it when you feel it.

&quot;Also, there really is not such thing as an objective metric for success when talking about broad wide-spanning and distant social change.&quot;


That&#039;s precisely why it&#039;s crucial to use private charities rather than expecting the government to do it.  As far as you know, we already overfund these projects and adding even more funds will simply increase corruption and lead to crony capitalists building their figurative ninth mansions. So you want to further dampen the economy to make something worse in the name of making that thing better. Because it feels right to you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My primary concern is in creating humane living conditions for the country&#8217;s populace. I do not subscribe to the belief that the only way people can be productive is to have them constantly hover over the precipice of destitution and starvation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Noble motives.</p>
<p>&#8220;Nope. Taxes are an inherently redistributive function of government, but they can be used for either egalitarian or classist ends.&#8221;</p>
<p>In theory we could increase taxes and require payment in paper currency, and then burn it. Let&#8217;s talk about why we should or should not do some thing or the  other. Why should taxes EVER be raised with the idea of pursuing some radical egalitarian (equitable outcome like communists promise) &#8220;social justice&#8221; end goal?</p>
<p>&#8220;I want them to be used for things like improving the conditions of the country&#8217;s most disadvantaged people&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>We all do in principal.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;instead of for things like blowing up brown people on the other side of the Earth or subsidizing Daddy Warbuck&#8217;s eighth island mansion.&#8221;</p>
<p>And here I thought we were going to have a rational conversation.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;d have to tell you once we even got out of the bed and started moving on that front, figuratively speaking. &#8221;</p>
<p>Short answer: You&#8217;ll know it when you feel it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Also, there really is not such thing as an objective metric for success when talking about broad wide-spanning and distant social change.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s precisely why it&#8217;s crucial to use private charities rather than expecting the government to do it.  As far as you know, we already overfund these projects and adding even more funds will simply increase corruption and lead to crony capitalists building their figurative ninth mansions. So you want to further dampen the economy to make something worse in the name of making that thing better. Because it feels right to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Drawler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drawler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 02:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;You distribute freedom through money taken coercively from those that create wealth. Interesting definition of freedom.&quot;

Its hard for people to be free when they are constantly on the edge of starvation and homelessness. Also, what you just said is the foundation of any system of taxation. It only becomes objectionable to you once that money is spent on the needs of the vast majority of the country&#039;s population, apparently.

To make it more rational and effective? That&#039;s &quot;dismantling?&quot;

Well, if you are a member of the elite classes, one of the members of the middle or poor class that is stepped in the ideology that ungirds their domination of the country&#039;s economic system, it might seem more rational and effective to you. 

&quot;I think you&#039;re definition of &quot;rights&quot; is as distorted as your definition of freedom.&quot;


See above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You distribute freedom through money taken coercively from those that create wealth. Interesting definition of freedom.&#8221;</p>
<p>Its hard for people to be free when they are constantly on the edge of starvation and homelessness. Also, what you just said is the foundation of any system of taxation. It only becomes objectionable to you once that money is spent on the needs of the vast majority of the country&#8217;s population, apparently.</p>
<p>To make it more rational and effective? That&#8217;s &#8220;dismantling?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, if you are a member of the elite classes, one of the members of the middle or poor class that is stepped in the ideology that ungirds their domination of the country&#8217;s economic system, it might seem more rational and effective to you. </p>
<p>&#8220;I think you&#8217;re definition of &#8220;rights&#8221; is as distorted as your definition of freedom.&#8221;</p>
<p>See above.</p>
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		<title>By: Drawler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drawler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 01:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;OH, OK. How does that effect our current understanding of private property rights, and creating incentive for individuals to work so that &quot;the country&quot; will continue to be productive.&quot;

My primary concern is in creating humane living conditions for the country&#039;s populace. I do not subscribe to the belief that the only way people can be productive is to have them constantly hover over the precipice of destitution and starvation.

&quot;We have private entities creating that wealth. The government taxes thatwealth. That&#039;s how it works. Taxes already are &quot;spreading&quot; the wealth according to your desires, but that&#039;s not enough for you, is it?&quot;

Nope. Taxes are an inherently redistributive function of government, but they can be used for either egalitarian or classist ends. I want them to be used for things like improving the conditions of the country&#039;s most disadvantaged people, instead of for things like blowing up brown people on the other side of the Earth or subsidizing Daddy Warbuck&#039;s eighth island mansion.

&quot;What is your objective metric for success when more wealth redistribution is applied?&quot;

I&#039;d have to tell you once we even got out of the bed and started moving on that front, figuratively speaking. Also, there really is not such thing as an objective metric for success when talking about broad wide-spanning and distant social change.

&quot;Your feelings are no secret. Lots of envious people complain about successful people as thieves. Where did that idea come from? How do you even know there are wealthier people if you&#039;re not told by someone? Do you sit outside hungry while people walk by laughing at you as they eat hand-foods?

Where does all of your envy and resentment come from?&quot;

I&#039;m actually relatively affluent, certainly not starving or anything like that. But I&#039;m aware that millions of people don&#039;t enjoy my good fortune, and that their misery is being used to subsidize the prerogatives of small class of economic elites (and admittedly my own, to a more limited extent) who are utterly free from material want.

&quot;Throwing money indiscriminately at ideas is usually a recipe for failure. You&#039;ve got to create specific plans that have a plausible chance to succeed and make sure that those responsible for carrying out the plans are also accountable and have a stake in the desired outcome rather than the mere ability to claim success or blame someone else for their chronic failures.&quot;


I&#039;d certainly expect someone in a position to implement such changes to have a more coherent plan of action, but given my position as a mere voter I think my general set of ideas is acceptable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;OH, OK. How does that effect our current understanding of private property rights, and creating incentive for individuals to work so that &#8220;the country&#8221; will continue to be productive.&#8221;</p>
<p>My primary concern is in creating humane living conditions for the country&#8217;s populace. I do not subscribe to the belief that the only way people can be productive is to have them constantly hover over the precipice of destitution and starvation.</p>
<p>&#8220;We have private entities creating that wealth. The government taxes thatwealth. That&#8217;s how it works. Taxes already are &#8220;spreading&#8221; the wealth according to your desires, but that&#8217;s not enough for you, is it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope. Taxes are an inherently redistributive function of government, but they can be used for either egalitarian or classist ends. I want them to be used for things like improving the conditions of the country&#8217;s most disadvantaged people, instead of for things like blowing up brown people on the other side of the Earth or subsidizing Daddy Warbuck&#8217;s eighth island mansion.</p>
<p>&#8220;What is your objective metric for success when more wealth redistribution is applied?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have to tell you once we even got out of the bed and started moving on that front, figuratively speaking. Also, there really is not such thing as an objective metric for success when talking about broad wide-spanning and distant social change.</p>
<p>&#8220;Your feelings are no secret. Lots of envious people complain about successful people as thieves. Where did that idea come from? How do you even know there are wealthier people if you&#8217;re not told by someone? Do you sit outside hungry while people walk by laughing at you as they eat hand-foods?</p>
<p>Where does all of your envy and resentment come from?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually relatively affluent, certainly not starving or anything like that. But I&#8217;m aware that millions of people don&#8217;t enjoy my good fortune, and that their misery is being used to subsidize the prerogatives of small class of economic elites (and admittedly my own, to a more limited extent) who are utterly free from material want.</p>
<p>&#8220;Throwing money indiscriminately at ideas is usually a recipe for failure. You&#8217;ve got to create specific plans that have a plausible chance to succeed and make sure that those responsible for carrying out the plans are also accountable and have a stake in the desired outcome rather than the mere ability to claim success or blame someone else for their chronic failures.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d certainly expect someone in a position to implement such changes to have a more coherent plan of action, but given my position as a mere voter I think my general set of ideas is acceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: Drawler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drawler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 01:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you say so friend.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you say so friend.</p>
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		<title>By: mpeasee</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/glenn-greenwald-raving-leftist/comment-page-1/#comment-5380990</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mpeasee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2014 16:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...meh!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;meh!</p>
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		<title>By: Democrats = Communists</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Democrats = Communists]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2014 05:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And my money to feed you and your family is your property I guess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And my money to feed you and your family is your property I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Democrats = Communists</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Democrats = Communists]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2014 04:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why do you hate America so much?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you hate America so much?</p>
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