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		<title>By: Americana</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/to-amnesty-5-million/comment-page-2/#comment-5524246</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Americana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting that you&#039;d have this number on speed dial...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that you&#8217;d have this number on speed dial&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: William James Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/to-amnesty-5-million/comment-page-2/#comment-5524167</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William James Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just what you are doing, being consistent and
informed, instructing the ignorant...........William]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just what you are doing, being consistent and<br />
informed, instructing the ignorant&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..William</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/to-amnesty-5-million/comment-page-2/#comment-5524141</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I looked it up for you:


http://crisisservices.Org/content/index.php/24-hour-hotline/



You&#039;re welcome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked it up for you:</p>
<p><a href="http://crisisservices.Org/content/index.php/24-hour-hotline/" rel="nofollow">http://crisisservices.Org/content/index.php/24-hour-hotline/</a></p>
<p>You&#8217;re welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Americana</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/to-amnesty-5-million/comment-page-2/#comment-5524138</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Americana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, ZIIIIINNNNNGGGG! You&#039;ve chosen quite the misnomer for yourself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, ZIIIIINNNNNGGGG! You&#8217;ve chosen quite the misnomer for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/to-amnesty-5-million/comment-page-2/#comment-5524059</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zing again!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zing again!</p>
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		<title>By: Americana</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/to-amnesty-5-million/comment-page-2/#comment-5523996</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Americana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2014 01:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m totally accurate. Your &quot;facts&quot; are &quot;opinions&quot; and vice versa. You&#039;ve never seen a fact you couldn&#039;t abuse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m totally accurate. Your &#8220;facts&#8221; are &#8220;opinions&#8221; and vice versa. You&#8217;ve never seen a fact you couldn&#8217;t abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 23:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Um, not I don&#039;t, confused communist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, not I don&#8217;t, confused communist.</p>
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		<title>By: Americana</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/to-amnesty-5-million/comment-page-2/#comment-5523744</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Americana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He&#039;s interested in compound interest. ;) (Or at least he&#039;s compounding my interest in watching his tactical claims continue to go south.)


I don&#039;t want an ocean liner by the way, I&#039;ll settle for a small wooden schooner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s interested in compound interest. <img src="http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" class="wp-smiley" />  (Or at least he&#8217;s compounding my interest in watching his tactical claims continue to go south.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want an ocean liner by the way, I&#8217;ll settle for a small wooden schooner.</p>
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		<title>By: Americana</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/to-amnesty-5-million/comment-page-2/#comment-5523736</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Americana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You mistake &quot;FACTS&quot; for &quot;OPINONS&quot; and vice versa.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mistake &#8220;FACTS&#8221; for &#8220;OPINONS&#8221; and vice versa.</p>
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		<title>By: Americana</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/to-amnesty-5-million/comment-page-2/#comment-5523735</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Americana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those are your rules. I&#039;d say they&#039;re more like YOUR RUSE. But what&#039;s in a word?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are your rules. I&#8217;d say they&#8217;re more like YOUR RUSE. But what&#8217;s in a word?</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/to-amnesty-5-million/comment-page-2/#comment-5523621</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;To give you an idea of how ineffably stupid you are being on this matter, the &quot;argument&quot; you&#039;re making is somewhat akin to suggesting that the administration did not do all it should have on Black Tuesday because it did not give free ocean liners to every investor who lost on the stock market on the afternoon of the crash. &quot;



Not even close. I want to know why we destroyed a Libyan sovereign that was not a  big problem for us in any sense only to allow jihadis to take over the place while we pretended otherwise. You refer to history as if it was about retaliation and you know that isn&#039;t the case. I want to know who is actually driving our foreign policy where jihadis are active.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To give you an idea of how ineffably stupid you are being on this matter, the &#8220;argument&#8221; you&#8217;re making is somewhat akin to suggesting that the administration did not do all it should have on Black Tuesday because it did not give free ocean liners to every investor who lost on the stock market on the afternoon of the crash. &#8221;</p>
<p>Not even close. I want to know why we destroyed a Libyan sovereign that was not a  big problem for us in any sense only to allow jihadis to take over the place while we pretended otherwise. You refer to history as if it was about retaliation and you know that isn&#8217;t the case. I want to know who is actually driving our foreign policy where jihadis are active.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/to-amnesty-5-million/comment-page-2/#comment-5523620</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re not following. I&#039;ll try to think of another way of asking you the simple question whether F16s can shape events in our favor such a scenario. It really is that simple. Or perhaps the horse is dead.


Questioning expectations of how much the government will do to salvage every situation is an entirely different question.


The ultimate point of this approach on Benghazi, not just accepting what the administration says, is to push to find facts and to show that our approach in Libya was a failure from the outset. But simply saying that isn&#039;t enough. The more data we can put together the more persuasive the case will be.


The F16 question is somewhat of a red herring. It still produces interesting answers when people are pushed. I think you&#039;ve been reasonably cooperative but you&#039;re still trying hard to spin your answers and avoid or minimize criticism of the administration. How self-aware you are regarding this effort to &quot;spin&quot; and &quot;unwind&quot; the &quot;jingoists&quot; is something I can&#039;t quite get it. But I&#039;m OK for now. Thanks for your time. I just don&#039;t think you actually pondered the question seriously. I can&#039;t imagine any soldier just saying in such a cavalier fashion that they would dismiss any support from the air when they&#039;re clearly outnumbered and out-gunned. But as I said before, I think this horse is dead.


I do expect more from our leaders. I think that this administration&#039;s foreign policy has been a disaster from 2009 until today with no sign of getting any better at all. I see no sign that any lessons have been learned by anyone that apologizes for them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not following. I&#8217;ll try to think of another way of asking you the simple question whether F16s can shape events in our favor such a scenario. It really is that simple. Or perhaps the horse is dead.</p>
<p>Questioning expectations of how much the government will do to salvage every situation is an entirely different question.</p>
<p>The ultimate point of this approach on Benghazi, not just accepting what the administration says, is to push to find facts and to show that our approach in Libya was a failure from the outset. But simply saying that isn&#8217;t enough. The more data we can put together the more persuasive the case will be.</p>
<p>The F16 question is somewhat of a red herring. It still produces interesting answers when people are pushed. I think you&#8217;ve been reasonably cooperative but you&#8217;re still trying hard to spin your answers and avoid or minimize criticism of the administration. How self-aware you are regarding this effort to &#8220;spin&#8221; and &#8220;unwind&#8221; the &#8220;jingoists&#8221; is something I can&#8217;t quite get it. But I&#8217;m OK for now. Thanks for your time. I just don&#8217;t think you actually pondered the question seriously. I can&#8217;t imagine any soldier just saying in such a cavalier fashion that they would dismiss any support from the air when they&#8217;re clearly outnumbered and out-gunned. But as I said before, I think this horse is dead.</p>
<p>I do expect more from our leaders. I think that this administration&#8217;s foreign policy has been a disaster from 2009 until today with no sign of getting any better at all. I see no sign that any lessons have been learned by anyone that apologizes for them.</p>
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		<title>By: hiernonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hiernonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You don&#039;t have enough understanding of what you&#039;re talking about for an accusation of &quot;liar&quot; in this situation to be meaningful.

If I were offered &quot;F-16&quot; support, it would be an F-16 that was actually armed with air-to-ground weaponry and the concomitant fueling support to loiter for a tactically meaningful period of time.  Neither of those applies here, and you frankly haven&#039;t displayed either the knowledge or the judgment on this matter for such an accusation to carry any weight.

To give you an idea of how ineffably stupid you are being on this matter, the &quot;argument&quot; you&#039;re making is somewhat akin to suggesting that the administration did not do all it should have on Black Tuesday because it did not give free ocean liners to every investor who lost on the stock market on the afternoon of the crash.  When confronted with the fact that giving away free liners was not really an option, &quot;if you were an investor and you were offered a free liner, would you have turned it down?&quot;  

It&#039;s a pretty decent analogy, because the general underlying idea - that the government could eventually have provided some sort of assistance or stimulus package - is reasonable, but the specific proposal - ocean liners that day - is gibberish.  In the Benghazi case, you continue to cling to military gibberish because you can&#039;t tell the difference.  Don&#039;t compound stupid by doubling down on offensive.  


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t have enough understanding of what you&#8217;re talking about for an accusation of &#8220;liar&#8221; in this situation to be meaningful.</p>
<p>If I were offered &#8220;F-16&#8243; support, it would be an F-16 that was actually armed with air-to-ground weaponry and the concomitant fueling support to loiter for a tactically meaningful period of time.  Neither of those applies here, and you frankly haven&#8217;t displayed either the knowledge or the judgment on this matter for such an accusation to carry any weight.</p>
<p>To give you an idea of how ineffably stupid you are being on this matter, the &#8220;argument&#8221; you&#8217;re making is somewhat akin to suggesting that the administration did not do all it should have on Black Tuesday because it did not give free ocean liners to every investor who lost on the stock market on the afternoon of the crash.  When confronted with the fact that giving away free liners was not really an option, &#8220;if you were an investor and you were offered a free liner, would you have turned it down?&#8221;  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pretty decent analogy, because the general underlying idea &#8211; that the government could eventually have provided some sort of assistance or stimulus package &#8211; is reasonable, but the specific proposal &#8211; ocean liners that day &#8211; is gibberish.  In the Benghazi case, you continue to cling to military gibberish because you can&#8217;t tell the difference.  Don&#8217;t compound stupid by doubling down on offensive.  </p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/to-amnesty-5-million/comment-page-2/#comment-5523561</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 06:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...and by that, I don&#039;t mean the inevitable shift to why F-16s over Benghazi are about collectivism...&quot;




That was dumb.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;and by that, I don&#8217;t mean the inevitable shift to why F-16s over Benghazi are about collectivism&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That was dumb.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/to-amnesty-5-million/comment-page-2/#comment-5523559</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 06:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Bottom line: you&#039;ve suggested that sending effectively unarmed F-16s into Benghazi would have been a perfectly valid military response.&quot;



If by &quot;valid&quot; what you mean to say is that I suggested it&#039;s better than nothing, then yes. That is what I said. But then again I don&#039;t know what they had going on on the ground and so forth. My assumption is that if there was a serious effort to take charge and respond like winners that can - you know - shape events, then I think any armed jet could have helped shape events better than, well, nothing at all.


You want to stick to this insider view that you would not want them. OK. Fair enough. I can&#039;t argue with you about your judgment. There&#039;s no point in continuing along those lines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bottom line: you&#8217;ve suggested that sending effectively unarmed F-16s into Benghazi would have been a perfectly valid military response.&#8221;</p>
<p>If by &#8220;valid&#8221; what you mean to say is that I suggested it&#8217;s better than nothing, then yes. That is what I said. But then again I don&#8217;t know what they had going on on the ground and so forth. My assumption is that if there was a serious effort to take charge and respond like winners that can &#8211; you know &#8211; shape events, then I think any armed jet could have helped shape events better than, well, nothing at all.</p>
<p>You want to stick to this insider view that you would not want them. OK. Fair enough. I can&#8217;t argue with you about your judgment. There&#8217;s no point in continuing along those lines.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 06:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You could have said no unequivocally. Instead you find it convenient to look back &quot;knowing&quot; that the F16 would have been useless. Because after the fact you can say you &quot;would have had&quot; no good reason.

Let me think of a better question. If you were called to respond at around the time the first alarm went out from Benghazi that day and you were given the choice of F16 support or nothing at all, would you reject the F16s?

And if you say no, I&#039;ll say that you&#039;re a liar. Maybe you&#039;re lying to yourself as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could have said no unequivocally. Instead you find it convenient to look back &#8220;knowing&#8221; that the F16 would have been useless. Because after the fact you can say you &#8220;would have had&#8221; no good reason.</p>
<p>Let me think of a better question. If you were called to respond at around the time the first alarm went out from Benghazi that day and you were given the choice of F16 support or nothing at all, would you reject the F16s?</p>
<p>And if you say no, I&#8217;ll say that you&#8217;re a liar. Maybe you&#8217;re lying to yourself as well.</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/to-amnesty-5-million/comment-page-2/#comment-5523553</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 05:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dumbass,


Those are my rules. Yes they&#039;ve been published before. I am the final authority regarding my rules. Your objections are noted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dumbass,</p>
<p>Those are my rules. Yes they&#8217;ve been published before. I am the final authority regarding my rules. Your objections are noted.</p>
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		<title>By: Americana</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/to-amnesty-5-million/comment-page-2/#comment-5523548</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Americana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 04:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those are the rules? You mean there are published ethics rules for this place and you wrote them? Hmmmm, then I wonder why you flout both of them so often?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are the rules? You mean there are published ethics rules for this place and you wrote them? Hmmmm, then I wonder why you flout both of them so often?</p>
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		<title>By: objectivefactsmatter</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/to-amnesty-5-million/comment-page-2/#comment-5523491</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[objectivefactsmatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 02:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to a certain worldview I&#039;m just another random rightwing nutjob preaching things I gleaned from RWNJ blogs.


I don&#039;t know if you have ever seen &quot;samloss&quot; but for a long time he pretended that I made up neo-Marxism as a term or that it was some random slur that didn&#039;t actually mean anything.  Even after giving him lots of URLs on Critical Theory and cultural Marxism. So...waddayagonnado?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to a certain worldview I&#8217;m just another random rightwing nutjob preaching things I gleaned from RWNJ blogs.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you have ever seen &#8220;samloss&#8221; but for a long time he pretended that I made up neo-Marxism as a term or that it was some random slur that didn&#8217;t actually mean anything.  Even after giving him lots of URLs on Critical Theory and cultural Marxism. So&#8230;waddayagonnado?</p>
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		<title>By: William James Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/to-amnesty-5-million/comment-page-2/#comment-5523485</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William James Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2014 02:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those who may be interested I have never
observed you being random :)............W]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who may be interested I have never<br />
observed you being random :)&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;W</p>
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