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		<title>By: Rocky Mountain</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rocky Mountain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Feb 2014 12:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The demographics of the Ukraine are informative on this point.  I was looking at a BBC summary of the events a couple of days ago and they included several maps showing electoral and ethnic concentrations in the country and they go a long way towards making some sense of the situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The demographics of the Ukraine are informative on this point.  I was looking at a BBC summary of the events a couple of days ago and they included several maps showing electoral and ethnic concentrations in the country and they go a long way towards making some sense of the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Feb 2014 10:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No comment</p>
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		<title>By: Rosasolis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rosasolis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 15:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eastern Europeans finally got rid of the Bolsheviks.
Communism is no longer tolerated in Europe!
Although my personal interests do not include sports,
I have been following the reports of the Olympics.
They were very well organized by Russia, and some,
of the coverage was very inspiring!  I liked the report
of V. Putin&#039;s visit to Holland House, where he joined
in with the celebrations of the Netherlands teams,
along with joining in and enjoying a few drinks and
Dutch treats.  
It is very sad that the recent unrest in Ukraine should
have taken place during the Olympics.!  
I truly hope that the politics of your current government in America may not
drive YOUR country into a new Civil War!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eastern Europeans finally got rid of the Bolsheviks.<br />
Communism is no longer tolerated in Europe!<br />
Although my personal interests do not include sports,<br />
I have been following the reports of the Olympics.<br />
They were very well organized by Russia, and some,<br />
of the coverage was very inspiring!  I liked the report<br />
of V. Putin&#8217;s visit to Holland House, where he joined<br />
in with the celebrations of the Netherlands teams,<br />
along with joining in and enjoying a few drinks and<br />
Dutch treats.<br />
It is very sad that the recent unrest in Ukraine should<br />
have taken place during the Olympics.!<br />
I truly hope that the politics of your current government in America may not<br />
drive YOUR country into a new Civil War!</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky Mountain</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rocky Mountain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who&#039;s George?  Your girlfriend?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s George?  Your girlfriend?</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky Mountain</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/ukraine-in-flames/comment-page-1/#comment-5372151</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rocky Mountain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pol Pot undoubtedly thought that he was for Cambodia.  We have to be able not only make judgments we have to make moral judgments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pol Pot undoubtedly thought that he was for Cambodia.  We have to be able not only make judgments we have to make moral judgments.</p>
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		<title>By: Trapnel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trapnel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ukraine is big, but the blocs either side of it are bigger. And at present, Russia appears more representative of the people of the UK than the EU.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ukraine is big, but the blocs either side of it are bigger. And at present, Russia appears more representative of the people of the UK than the EU.</p>
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		<title>By: Hktony</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hktony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 05:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What the f ing is going on with your dear leader. He is at it again supporting rebels against an elected government. For pities sake you have got him spying, letting Americans die in Libya, IRS scandals and on and on and we are supposed to listen to this tin pot leader. In Asia he tries to split china with it&#039;s surrounding neighbours. He hides his life history as if his life depended on it. He has helped create an Arab winter and now insists on creating a shit storm in Europe. There is no comparison between Putin and Obama. Obama has troops all over the world and he thinks invading other countries is his right. He talks about democracy and then tries to take down a democratically elected govt in Europe because he is an asolhe. Well I have something to tell the lying piece of shit which is keep your hands off Europe and china. Everywhere he goes people die. Iraq, Libya , Egypt, Pakistan , Afghanistan now Ukraine . American is exceptional all right. It&#039;s exceptionally stupid to follow this guy. Or I could be wrong!?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the f ing is going on with your dear leader. He is at it again supporting rebels against an elected government. For pities sake you have got him spying, letting Americans die in Libya, IRS scandals and on and on and we are supposed to listen to this tin pot leader. In Asia he tries to split china with it&#8217;s surrounding neighbours. He hides his life history as if his life depended on it. He has helped create an Arab winter and now insists on creating a shit storm in Europe. There is no comparison between Putin and Obama. Obama has troops all over the world and he thinks invading other countries is his right. He talks about democracy and then tries to take down a democratically elected govt in Europe because he is an asolhe. Well I have something to tell the lying piece of shit which is keep your hands off Europe and china. Everywhere he goes people die. Iraq, Libya , Egypt, Pakistan , Afghanistan now Ukraine . American is exceptional all right. It&#8217;s exceptionally stupid to follow this guy. Or I could be wrong!?</p>
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		<title>By: reader</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[reader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it you, George? Time to grow some skin, eh?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it you, George? Time to grow some skin, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Drakken</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drakken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 19:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[History always provides a wonderful lesson from the past to avoid future bloodshed, but folks just keep doing the same things expecting a different result. That is why people like me are a necessary evil. Those who beat their swords into plowshares always plow for those who don&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>History always provides a wonderful lesson from the past to avoid future bloodshed, but folks just keep doing the same things expecting a different result. That is why people like me are a necessary evil. Those who beat their swords into plowshares always plow for those who don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Drakken</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drakken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Mr. Mcbee.
I am in complete agreement with your very thought provoking analysis and it sums it up perfectly. I too blame us for what we have in the White House today, I never would have thought that the American public would be this inept and clueless as to elect the most unqualified individual as President, but here we are, where we go from here really is a crap shoot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Mcbee.<br />
I am in complete agreement with your very thought provoking analysis and it sums it up perfectly. I too blame us for what we have in the White House today, I never would have thought that the American public would be this inept and clueless as to elect the most unqualified individual as President, but here we are, where we go from here really is a crap shoot.</p>
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		<title>By: Drakken</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drakken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 19:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not defending Putin, but he is for Russia and Russian interests, and no he is not sending folks off to the gulag enmasse like the bad old days. Putin feels free to do as he pleases because there is a complete power vacuum, do you think Putin would do any of the things he has done if there was a Reagan or Bush in office? Putin is playing chess and is ten moves ahead, Obummer and his minions can&#039;t figure out how to the pieces on the board for a game of checkers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not defending Putin, but he is for Russia and Russian interests, and no he is not sending folks off to the gulag enmasse like the bad old days. Putin feels free to do as he pleases because there is a complete power vacuum, do you think Putin would do any of the things he has done if there was a Reagan or Bush in office? Putin is playing chess and is ten moves ahead, Obummer and his minions can&#8217;t figure out how to the pieces on the board for a game of checkers.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky Mountain</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rocky Mountain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anything to do with killing seems to be your cup of tea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anything to do with killing seems to be your cup of tea.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky Mountain</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/ukraine-in-flames/comment-page-1/#comment-5371669</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rocky Mountain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since there are a lot of people in Russia, many of whom are probably in prison, who disagree with your assessment, I think the &#039;patriot&#039; label won&#039;t stick that well except in a few people&#039;s craws.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since there are a lot of people in Russia, many of whom are probably in prison, who disagree with your assessment, I think the &#8216;patriot&#8217; label won&#8217;t stick that well except in a few people&#8217;s craws.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky Mountain</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/ukraine-in-flames/comment-page-1/#comment-5371666</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rocky Mountain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now, now...its time for your meds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, now&#8230;its time for your meds.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky Mountain</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/ukraine-in-flames/comment-page-1/#comment-5371665</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rocky Mountain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No one outside a country as big as The Ukraine can promote civil war.  This is up to the Ukrainians.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one outside a country as big as The Ukraine can promote civil war.  This is up to the Ukrainians.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky Mountain</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadum/ukraine-in-flames/comment-page-1/#comment-5371664</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rocky Mountain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know your history and mine as well as you do.  You&#039;ve missed my point which is that Obama - despite from extreme claims - isn&#039;t in the same category as those that inhabit Eastern European history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know your history and mine as well as you do.  You&#8217;ve missed my point which is that Obama &#8211; despite from extreme claims &#8211; isn&#8217;t in the same category as those that inhabit Eastern European history.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabuquduriuzhur</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nabuquduriuzhur]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The idea of shooting members of the public when they are protesting breaches of law by the government is barbaric. 

The police started the shooting. By doing so, they crossed that line from civil unrest at governmental lawlessness to the possible start of civil war. The smart thing would have been to back off, not escalate. Bruises are one thing. Easily forgiven. Shooting the public is quite something else. 

Now that the police are killing people, there&#039;s little chance of stopping it. There&#039;s no winning against a public that believes their government has betrayed them and is going to reinstate the brutality and death of Soviet rule. 

The only way the Ukrainian government can salvage this is to retreat, announce they will try those responsible for the shootings, back off from their love affair with Russia, and resign, en masse, with new elections.

If the Ukrainian government continues to escalate, that will be their end. This has been a foolish course of action from start to finish. It&#039;s interesting to wonder what the government was thinking by going against the public good. They pushed deals with Russia, despite the centuries-long animosity the Ukrainians have had for the Russians. Wars, invasions, etc.

That hate became worse in WWII. Ukrainians were killed by Germans when war rolled over them,  then by the Soviets who killed even more of them. Soviet troops would rape entire towns. Some of the victims are still alive. 

No one knows how many died, but the Germans appear to have killed 10
million civilians from Poland to CCCP, the Soviets killed even more,
and the Ukraine was the setting for back and forth battles from 1942
to 1944. Kharkov gets taken by Germans, then Russians, then Germans,
etc.

The Soviets colonized Russians into Ukraine to pacify them. That didn&#039;t make the Ukrainians love them any better.

The Soviets had a gigantic statue of a Russian woman in Kiev, dubbed the
&quot;iron lady&quot;, with sword held. That symbolism says it all. That wasn&#039;t lost on the Ukrainians during the bad old days of the Soviet Union.

It wasn&#039;t long ago that the Russians had Gazprom cut off the gas to the Ukraine and thus to much of Europe. The Ukrainians got the message, but it wasn&#039;t the idea that the Russians wanted them to get.

The Ukrainian military is in bad position. If they start shooting, they guarantee their defeat because right now only a handful of the public are demonstrating. If civilians are slaughtered, the public will figure it&#039;s another Soviet-style massacre in the making and their military will be wiped out to a man. At a hellacious cost to civilians. 

Most Ukrainian government officials will meet the same fate if they issue such a draconian and foolish order. 

Ukrainian government actions to date are rather like pouring gasoline on the
ground while smoking a cigarette. It makes little sense and it&#039;s started a massive fire. They did everything to make this happen and it&#039;s up to them to stop it by backing off, resigning, and holding new elections.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of shooting members of the public when they are protesting breaches of law by the government is barbaric. </p>
<p>The police started the shooting. By doing so, they crossed that line from civil unrest at governmental lawlessness to the possible start of civil war. The smart thing would have been to back off, not escalate. Bruises are one thing. Easily forgiven. Shooting the public is quite something else. </p>
<p>Now that the police are killing people, there&#8217;s little chance of stopping it. There&#8217;s no winning against a public that believes their government has betrayed them and is going to reinstate the brutality and death of Soviet rule. </p>
<p>The only way the Ukrainian government can salvage this is to retreat, announce they will try those responsible for the shootings, back off from their love affair with Russia, and resign, en masse, with new elections.</p>
<p>If the Ukrainian government continues to escalate, that will be their end. This has been a foolish course of action from start to finish. It&#8217;s interesting to wonder what the government was thinking by going against the public good. They pushed deals with Russia, despite the centuries-long animosity the Ukrainians have had for the Russians. Wars, invasions, etc.</p>
<p>That hate became worse in WWII. Ukrainians were killed by Germans when war rolled over them,  then by the Soviets who killed even more of them. Soviet troops would rape entire towns. Some of the victims are still alive. </p>
<p>No one knows how many died, but the Germans appear to have killed 10<br />
million civilians from Poland to CCCP, the Soviets killed even more,<br />
and the Ukraine was the setting for back and forth battles from 1942<br />
to 1944. Kharkov gets taken by Germans, then Russians, then Germans,<br />
etc.</p>
<p>The Soviets colonized Russians into Ukraine to pacify them. That didn&#8217;t make the Ukrainians love them any better.</p>
<p>The Soviets had a gigantic statue of a Russian woman in Kiev, dubbed the<br />
&#8220;iron lady&#8221;, with sword held. That symbolism says it all. That wasn&#8217;t lost on the Ukrainians during the bad old days of the Soviet Union.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t long ago that the Russians had Gazprom cut off the gas to the Ukraine and thus to much of Europe. The Ukrainians got the message, but it wasn&#8217;t the idea that the Russians wanted them to get.</p>
<p>The Ukrainian military is in bad position. If they start shooting, they guarantee their defeat because right now only a handful of the public are demonstrating. If civilians are slaughtered, the public will figure it&#8217;s another Soviet-style massacre in the making and their military will be wiped out to a man. At a hellacious cost to civilians. </p>
<p>Most Ukrainian government officials will meet the same fate if they issue such a draconian and foolish order. </p>
<p>Ukrainian government actions to date are rather like pouring gasoline on the<br />
ground while smoking a cigarette. It makes little sense and it&#8217;s started a massive fire. They did everything to make this happen and it&#8217;s up to them to stop it by backing off, resigning, and holding new elections.</p>
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		<title>By: mcbee555</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mcbee555]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 17:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John:
In a way, it&#039;s a blessing that Obama thinks of golf as his priority.
If you were in dire straits and needed help, how comfortable would you be if Obama promised you &quot;I have your back?&quot;
As for Ukraine, he&#039;d probably advise that country, &quot;If you like your country, you can keep it.&quot; 
We need to stay out, because Obama and Kerry would only plant high-hopes that would come up as empty as his last five years of lofty rhetoric.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:<br />
In a way, it&#8217;s a blessing that Obama thinks of golf as his priority.<br />
If you were in dire straits and needed help, how comfortable would you be if Obama promised you &#8220;I have your back?&#8221;<br />
As for Ukraine, he&#8217;d probably advise that country, &#8220;If you like your country, you can keep it.&#8221;<br />
We need to stay out, because Obama and Kerry would only plant high-hopes that would come up as empty as his last five years of lofty rhetoric.</p>
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		<title>By: mcbee555</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mcbee555]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 17:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Commies call that &quot;leveling the field.&quot; Sound familiar?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commies call that &#8220;leveling the field.&#8221; Sound familiar?</p>
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		<title>By: The March Hare</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The March Hare]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 16:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;when the Soviet Communists(Stalin) confiscated Ukrainian crops and left( they have said) about 17 million to starve to death.&quot;

The Communists were sure the Ukrainians were holding out on them so went there and searched. They found the portion kept as seed crop and took it as well, refusing to listen to reason. They weren&#039;t farmers, they were Communists. The Ukrainians had no seed for the next years crop and that was the beginning of the mass famine. The communists wanted a portion of their cattle also and the Ukrainians slaughtered all of them rather than give them any.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;when the Soviet Communists(Stalin) confiscated Ukrainian crops and left( they have said) about 17 million to starve to death.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Communists were sure the Ukrainians were holding out on them so went there and searched. They found the portion kept as seed crop and took it as well, refusing to listen to reason. They weren&#8217;t farmers, they were Communists. The Ukrainians had no seed for the next years crop and that was the beginning of the mass famine. The communists wanted a portion of their cattle also and the Ukrainians slaughtered all of them rather than give them any.</p>
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