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	<title>Comments on: How Modernity ‘Radicalizes’ Western Muslims</title>
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		<title>By: Roy_Cam</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/raymond-ibrahim/how-modernity-radicalizes-western-muslims/comment-page-1/#comment-5402539</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy_Cam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2014 03:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes. Periodically we have to reassert the Founders&#039; vision.

Ms. Bag Lady, without wishing to offend, perhaps you would benefit from a study of the Jungian concept of &quot;animus-possessed&quot;....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Periodically we have to reassert the Founders&#8217; vision.</p>
<p>Ms. Bag Lady, without wishing to offend, perhaps you would benefit from a study of the Jungian concept of &#8220;animus-possessed&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: BagLady</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/raymond-ibrahim/how-modernity-radicalizes-western-muslims/comment-page-1/#comment-5402310</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BagLady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2014 16:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m no expert but, correct me if I&#039;m wrong, wasn&#039;t the Constitution written by rich white men for rich white men? 

The Bill of Rights and Amendments have gone a long way to redress the balance but, in the past few years, we have seen many of your &#039;rights&#039; eroded by the need to safeguard the people from &#039;terrorism.  &#039;Homeland security&#039; has been given an huge financial boost and your cops are now tooled to the hilt.  Whilst cop killing has reduced to just 33  over the past couple of years, &#039;collateral damage&#039; in the form of innocent lives being lost in police shootings is estimated at 5000 (no official figures are out there). SWAT teams can now batter your door down without so much as  a &#039;by your leave&#039;.


Not my idea of a &#039;free&#039; society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no expert but, correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, wasn&#8217;t the Constitution written by rich white men for rich white men? </p>
<p>The Bill of Rights and Amendments have gone a long way to redress the balance but, in the past few years, we have seen many of your &#8216;rights&#8217; eroded by the need to safeguard the people from &#8216;terrorism.  &#8216;Homeland security&#8217; has been given an huge financial boost and your cops are now tooled to the hilt.  Whilst cop killing has reduced to just 33  over the past couple of years, &#8216;collateral damage&#8217; in the form of innocent lives being lost in police shootings is estimated at 5000 (no official figures are out there). SWAT teams can now batter your door down without so much as  a &#8216;by your leave&#8217;.</p>
<p>Not my idea of a &#8216;free&#8217; society.</p>
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		<title>By: Shel_TR</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shel_TR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@BagLady: I don&#039;t mind your criticism of naivete. But your stridently anti-West POV creates its own weaknesses, since it leads you to positions that are as naive as those you oppose.

Russia (or more specifically, Putin) is not simply &quot;giving the people of Ukraine the freedom of a vote&quot;. The situation is highly-complex. &quot;...leave the people to their own devices&quot;?? That MAY have worked at one point in time. But when Putin put his tanks and soldiers in to the mix, the issue was already made larger than &quot;the people&quot;.

If you are going to aggressively criticize naivete, you better expect the same...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BagLady: I don&#8217;t mind your criticism of naivete. But your stridently anti-West POV creates its own weaknesses, since it leads you to positions that are as naive as those you oppose.</p>
<p>Russia (or more specifically, Putin) is not simply &#8220;giving the people of Ukraine the freedom of a vote&#8221;. The situation is highly-complex. &#8220;&#8230;leave the people to their own devices&#8221;?? That MAY have worked at one point in time. But when Putin put his tanks and soldiers in to the mix, the issue was already made larger than &#8220;the people&#8221;.</p>
<p>If you are going to aggressively criticize naivete, you better expect the same&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tiberius</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tiberius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2014 22:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not to surprised þat many younger western  muslims are more likely to be radical since þe West has enough &quot;useful idiots&quot; not only unable to stop þem but actually promoting its growth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to surprised þat many younger western  muslims are more likely to be radical since þe West has enough &#8220;useful idiots&#8221; not only unable to stop þem but actually promoting its growth.</p>
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		<title>By: YoshiNakamura</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[YoshiNakamura]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2014 19:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is another, probably more important reason for &quot;radicalization&quot; of second generation Moslems. Their secular or semi-secular parents taught them that the Koran is Allah&#039;s literal word, even if they have never read the Koran. So, all young Moslems start out with that fundamental belief, even if they have no idea of what is in the Koran. Then, in their teenage years, they begin searching for their identity like all teenagers do. Part of that search means to delve into the religion that their parents nominally profess. So, what do they do? They actually start reading the Koran! Then, they find out what their god really wants them to do. That is how &quot;radicalization&quot; takes place. That process starts with reading the Koran.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is another, probably more important reason for &#8220;radicalization&#8221; of second generation Moslems. Their secular or semi-secular parents taught them that the Koran is Allah&#8217;s literal word, even if they have never read the Koran. So, all young Moslems start out with that fundamental belief, even if they have no idea of what is in the Koran. Then, in their teenage years, they begin searching for their identity like all teenagers do. Part of that search means to delve into the religion that their parents nominally profess. So, what do they do? They actually start reading the Koran! Then, they find out what their god really wants them to do. That is how &#8220;radicalization&#8221; takes place. That process starts with reading the Koran.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy_Cam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy_Cam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2014 17:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aside from our own nihilism, the result of the idealization of mind and its processes, the basic Freedoms of the Constitution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from our own nihilism, the result of the idealization of mind and its processes, the basic Freedoms of the Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: BagLady</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BagLady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2014 13:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Putin to Obama:  Let&#039;s talk]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putin to Obama:  Let&#8217;s talk</p>
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		<title>By: BagLady</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/raymond-ibrahim/how-modernity-radicalizes-western-muslims/comment-page-1/#comment-5401852</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BagLady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2014 13:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t pretend to be so naive.  These &#039;starved nations&#039; that you speak of are not begging for help, it is being forced on them and has nothing to do with improving the lot of the inhabitants  who see nothing of these huge foreign aid &#039;packages&#039; (as I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll agree).  However, the &#039;East&#039; is plodding forward and infrastructure is improving slowly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t pretend to be so naive.  These &#8216;starved nations&#8217; that you speak of are not begging for help, it is being forced on them and has nothing to do with improving the lot of the inhabitants  who see nothing of these huge foreign aid &#8216;packages&#8217; (as I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll agree).  However, the &#8216;East&#8217; is plodding forward and infrastructure is improving slowly.</p>
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		<title>By: BagLady</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BagLady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2014 13:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The interesting question here is why 
are second generation Muslims, who are presumably more Westernized than 
their Muslim parents, also more “radical”? &quot;


Silly question.  Why are first generation any immigrants more placid than their children?  Because they are new, of course, and still finding their feet.  Their kids are born and bred in their adopted country and feel quite free to pursue whichever political avenue they so choose.  



Did first generation Jamaicans arriving in Britain on their $10 tickets bring sacks of marijuana?  Did the Triads have a hold on your inner cities?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The interesting question here is why<br />
are second generation Muslims, who are presumably more Westernized than<br />
their Muslim parents, also more “radical”? &#8221;</p>
<p>Silly question.  Why are first generation any immigrants more placid than their children?  Because they are new, of course, and still finding their feet.  Their kids are born and bred in their adopted country and feel quite free to pursue whichever political avenue they so choose.  </p>
<p>Did first generation Jamaicans arriving in Britain on their $10 tickets bring sacks of marijuana?  Did the Triads have a hold on your inner cities?</p>
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		<title>By: BagLady</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BagLady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2014 15:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Muslim easily &quot;abrogates&quot; from the early Mecca teachings to the virulent Medina teachings&quot; 



Is that a fact?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Muslim easily &#8220;abrogates&#8221; from the early Mecca teachings to the virulent Medina teachings&#8221; </p>
<p>Is that a fact?</p>
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		<title>By: BagLady</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/raymond-ibrahim/how-modernity-radicalizes-western-muslims/comment-page-1/#comment-5401567</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BagLady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2014 15:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remind me again.  What exactly are the  Western values you speak of?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remind me again.  What exactly are the  Western values you speak of?</p>
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		<title>By: BagLady</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/raymond-ibrahim/how-modernity-radicalizes-western-muslims/comment-page-1/#comment-5401547</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BagLady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2014 13:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Go on then financial expert.  Repay the &#039;loan&#039; from your Ukrainian profits, if you can.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go on then financial expert.  Repay the &#8216;loan&#8217; from your Ukrainian profits, if you can.</p>
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		<title>By: BagLady</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BagLady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2014 13:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &#039;third world&#039; is shuffling forward like everyone else.  Granted, the overt corruption is slowing things down.  Your suggestion is that Western Aid is &#039;helping&#039; the people and this is what I would argue with.  The people bumble along in a lateral world, far removed from the partnerships that exist between  politicians and foreign &#039;aid&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;third world&#8217; is shuffling forward like everyone else.  Granted, the overt corruption is slowing things down.  Your suggestion is that Western Aid is &#8216;helping&#8217; the people and this is what I would argue with.  The people bumble along in a lateral world, far removed from the partnerships that exist between  politicians and foreign &#8216;aid&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Buck</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2014 13:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As it goes the government before the protest were democratically elected. the US and EUSSR formulated those protests to bring the ukraine into the EU]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As it goes the government before the protest were democratically elected. the US and EUSSR formulated those protests to bring the ukraine into the EU</p>
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		<title>By: kot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2014 07:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bombing Chechnya to ruins was an excellent way of showing Russian way of &quot;leaving the people to their own devices&quot;. As for IMF loans I am afraid you have never looked up the definition of &quot;loan&quot; in a vocabulary, my little Russian troll.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bombing Chechnya to ruins was an excellent way of showing Russian way of &#8220;leaving the people to their own devices&#8221;. As for IMF loans I am afraid you have never looked up the definition of &#8220;loan&#8221; in a vocabulary, my little Russian troll.</p>
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		<title>By: popseal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[popseal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2014 23:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True Islam is a violent and dangerous superstition.   A Muslim easily &quot;abrogates&quot; from the early Mecca teachings to the virulent Medina teachings we&#039;re all so familiar with.   The later teachings are more authoritative as they are more murderous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True Islam is a violent and dangerous superstition.   A Muslim easily &#8220;abrogates&#8221; from the early Mecca teachings to the virulent Medina teachings we&#8217;re all so familiar with.   The later teachings are more authoritative as they are more murderous.</p>
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		<title>By: De Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[De Doc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2014 16:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve no objection to that idea. &quot;The East&quot;, as you incorrectly label it, refers to majority Muslim nations that are taking a turn towards nasty (or already have) to the basic rights of their citizens. Of course these same nations are technologically starved and can&#039;t get enough help from the West in terms of hand-outs and highly trained personnel to direct the complex industries that keep nations afloat today. I think it high time for these regressed countries to stand or fall on their own without taxpayers of the West subsidizing their ignorance and backwardness. I truly feel for the few liberal minded folks in such worlds though, because they are vilified for calling attention to the abuses in their systems and standing for humanitarian values that ruffle the feathers of superstitious, religious bullies. Theocratic states offer no solutions, only problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve no objection to that idea. &#8220;The East&#8221;, as you incorrectly label it, refers to majority Muslim nations that are taking a turn towards nasty (or already have) to the basic rights of their citizens. Of course these same nations are technologically starved and can&#8217;t get enough help from the West in terms of hand-outs and highly trained personnel to direct the complex industries that keep nations afloat today. I think it high time for these regressed countries to stand or fall on their own without taxpayers of the West subsidizing their ignorance and backwardness. I truly feel for the few liberal minded folks in such worlds though, because they are vilified for calling attention to the abuses in their systems and standing for humanitarian values that ruffle the feathers of superstitious, religious bullies. Theocratic states offer no solutions, only problems.</p>
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		<title>By: BagLady</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BagLady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would you say that Western Civilization is inherently hostile towards the East and is, in fact, ideologically committed to their extermination?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you say that Western Civilization is inherently hostile towards the East and is, in fact, ideologically committed to their extermination?</p>
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		<title>By: BagLady</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BagLady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and which &#039;cult&#039; do you follow, pray?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and which &#8216;cult&#8217; do you follow, pray?</p>
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		<title>By: BagLady</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BagLady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The interesting question here is why 
are second generation Muslims, who are presumably more Westernized than 
their Muslim parents, also more “radical”? 

You could equally ask this question in the East.  Once upon a time, and not too long ago, young Malaysian women would wear a veil as a &#039;rite of passage&#039; before discarding it for being too hot and uncomfortable and donning jeans and t-shirts.  Nowadays, more and more young Malaysians are showing their support for Islam by eschewing western clothes.  They feel their religion is under attack from the West and rightly so, I should say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The interesting question here is why<br />
are second generation Muslims, who are presumably more Westernized than<br />
their Muslim parents, also more “radical”? </p>
<p>You could equally ask this question in the East.  Once upon a time, and not too long ago, young Malaysian women would wear a veil as a &#8216;rite of passage&#8217; before discarding it for being too hot and uncomfortable and donning jeans and t-shirts.  Nowadays, more and more young Malaysians are showing their support for Islam by eschewing western clothes.  They feel their religion is under attack from the West and rightly so, I should say.</p>
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