Turkey’s New Jihad on Christian Armenians

Turkey's Christians are a tiny minority.Far from being repentant of the Armenian Genocide, Turkey, under the leadership of Prime Minister Erdogan, is again targeting Armenians; is again causing their death and dislocation.

In the early morning hours of March 21, al-Qaeda linked Islamic jihadis crossed into Syrian territory from the Turkish border and launched a jihad on the Christian/Armenian town of Kessab. Among other thing, “Snipers targeted the civilian population and launched mortar attacks on the town and the surrounding villages.”  Reportedly eighty people were killed. 

The jihadis later made a video touring the devastated town; no translation is needed, as the main phrase shouted throughout is Islam’s triumphant war cry, “Allahu Akbar” (or, according to Sen. John McCain’s translation, “thank God”).

Eyewitnesses say the jihadis crossed the Turkish border into Syria, “openly passing through Turkish military barracks. According to Turkish media reports, the attackers carried their injured back to Turkey for treatment in the town of Yayladagi.”

About two-thousand Armenians were evacuated to safer areas in neighboring Basit and Latakia. Several of these families are currently living inside the churches of these towns. Ten to fifteen families with relations too elderly to flee remained in Kessab, their fate currently unknown.

Syrian troops did launch a counteroffensive, but al-Qaeda linked jihadis “once again entered the town of Kessab, took the remaining Armenian families hostage, desecrated the town’s three Armenian churches, pillaging local residences and occupying the town and surrounding villages.”

Reports further indicate that “the attacks of the al-Qaeda linked al-Nusra organization and the Islamic Front was supported with artillery fire from Turkish artillery units.  A Syrian MIG-23 war plane which attended to the operation towards the terror groups was shot down by Turkish Air Forces on 23 March.”   

Bashar al-Assad naturally denounced before the United Nations Turkey’s role in supporting terrorists—even as some European leaders, such as Denmark’s Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt, were busy praising Turkey for its supposedly increased democracy and human rights,  supporting the Islamic nation’s inclusion into the European Union, indifferent to the fact that Erdogan banned Twitter in Turkey after tweets exposed his government’s corruptions. 

Nor are Armenians and others missing the significance of Turkey’s role.  In a written statement, the Armenian National Committee-International, condemned Turkey’s active role in aiding and abetting Christian persecuting jihadi groups:

For months, we have warned the international community of the imminent threat posed by extremist foreign fighters against the Christian minority population in Syria.  These vicious and unprompted attacks against the Armenian-populated town and villages of Kessab are the latest examples of this violence, actively encouraged by neighboring Turkey. We call upon all states with any influence in the Syrian conflict to use all available means to stop these attacks against the peaceful civilian population of Kessab, to allow them to return to their homes in safety and security. In the last one hundred years, this is the third time that the Armenians are being forced to leave Kessab and in all three cases, Turkey is the aggressor or on the side of the aggressors [emphasis added].

On March 24,  Samvel Farmanyan, a member of the Armenian National Assembly, traveled to Syria to meet with Kessab’s dislocated Armenians: “I should say the impression was shocking,” he said.  “The situation is like the one we have read about in textbooks and literature about the Armenian Genocide, in the memories of Genocide survivors….  These are tragic events, which cannot but bring forth obvious parallels with the events of 100 years ago—the Armenian Genocide.”

Video interviews with the recently dislocated Armenians of Syria certainly further this sentiment.  One elderly man says “We’ve been here 97 years since they slaughtered us in Turkey.  These al-Qaeda ‘rebel’ groups are the grandsons of Abdul Hamid” (the Ottoman sultan who committed the first systematic genocide of Armenians).

Nor were these early massacres limited to Armenians but rather targeted Christians in general.  As one Syrian-American woman points out in writing to me just now: “The Hamidian Massacres (1894-1896) led to the mass exodus of Christians, from the Levant, to the USA. My grandfather was one of those who fled persecution. His father was shot, by an Ottoman Turk, in front of their ancestral home. Seven children were left fatherless. My grandfather, the eldest son, left Syria, and traveled as an indentured man, through Mexico, to find freedom and safety in the USA. The entire family eventually joined him.”

Such is the continuity and interconnectivity of history.  A century ago, Armenians fled to Kessab to avoid being massacred by Turkey. And today, their descendants are fleeing from Kessab—again, to avoid being massacred by terrorists aided by Turkey.

Years, decades, and centuries go by; narratives and rhetoric change; utopian ideals and materialistic rationalizations become ubiquitous.  Yet the same story, the same enmity—Turkish to Armenian, or more distilled yet, Muslim to Christian—lives on, even if in different contexts and formats.

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  • Gary Dickson

    As an Armenian myself – but one who trusts in Jesus as my Deliverer
    and Rescuer and Messiah – I am pleading with the Lord to protect my brethren in the flesh.

    We all know what is going to happen to them (or has happened), but I have personal experience. My Christian grandmother told me what happened to her siblings. All of them lost their heads by the swords of Muslims.

    The hatred of humans by humans results in one form or another of genocide and it is coming but Yeshua the Messiah will prevail.

    Heavenly Father, please forgive us for our constant rebellion against you in ourselves and this country and for selecting men to lead us who despise you and aid your enemies. We plead with you to rescue and protect those who are yours. We trust you fully. Make your kingdom come so that this world of ours might have life instead of death at the hands of men. I ask this in the Name of your Son, Yeshua of Natzeret, the Messiah.

    • Bamaguje

      “I am pleading with the Lord to protect my brethren in the flesh” – Gary Dickson.

      Really??
      That’s all you wimpy Christians got? Praying for divine intervention?
      The “God of Israel” didn’t protect his children when Hitler wiped out 6
      million of them. It is foolhardy for prayerful Christians to wait for divine miracle.
      Gone are the days when Jesus purportedly walked on water, and cast out devils. If you Christians really want to end Jihad against Christians, another Crusade is long overdue.

      • BagLady

        Do you really want history to repeat itself in an eternal cycle of ignorant hatred in the name of the Lord?

        • Doger Trader

          IT is not his wish. it is happening anyhow. fight islam or perish.

        • Drakken

          Weak ignorant folks like yourself will kneel at anyone’s feet in order to have so called peace. Your not worth saving.

          • BagLady

            I presume you speak of my poor soul.

      • Gary Dickson

        Yup, you’ve nailed it. That’s all we “wimpy Christians” got.

        1.5 million of my own brethren in the flesh, Armenians, were killed at the hands and swords of Muslims.

        My own family members were killed by those swords.

        Should I then wave my fist at God and judge him as not being good enough for me and that he’s not trustworthy?

        Who am I to judge God, the one who is my very breath of life?

        Who am I to judge God, who has loved me so much that he gave up what was important to him, his Son, for my sake so that I might have life – eternal life – in spite of my utter rebellion against him?

        As Sha’ul Paulos of Tarsus wrote, for me to live is the Messiah.

        Finally, grow powerful in union with the Lord, in union with his mighty strength! Use all the armor and weaponry that God provides, so that you will be able to stand against the deceptive tactics of the Adversary. For we are not struggling against human beings, but against the rulers, authorities and cosmic powers governing this darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realm. So take up every piece of war equipment God provides; so that when the evil day comes, you will be able to resist; and when the battle is won, you will still be standing. Therefore, stand! Have the belt of truth buckled around your waist, put on righteousness for a breastplate, and wear on your feet the readiness that comes from the Good News of shalom. Always carry the shield of trust, with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the Evil One. And take the helmet of deliverance; along with the sword given by the Spirit, that is, the Word of God; as you pray at all times, with all kinds of prayers and requests, in the Spirit, vigilantly and persistently, for all God’s people.
        – Ephesians 6 (CJB) (emphasis mine)

        • Kenneth

          U nailed it brother if we being righteous are persecuted for righteousness then it is commendable to god. We love not our lives unto death

        • BagLady

          Who am I to judge God, who has loved me so much that he gave up what was
          important to him, his Son, for my sake so that I might have life –
          eternal life – in spite of my utter rebellion against him?”

          Just the one son? Hundreds of millions of sons have given their lives in his name. Where is the love?

    • Drakken

      What is it with us Christians that you think a prayer is going to save you from Islamic savagery? You had better get it out of your head that turning the other cheek is going to cut it anymore, God helps those who help themselves, you want to help the Armenians? Bloody well arm them and send folks to go help protect them, that is what gets the job done, praise Jesus and pass the ammo and God bless the Crusades, Deo Volente!

      • Bamaguje

        He really doesn’t get it. The entire Middle east and North Africa used to be solidly Christian.
        Christian prayer was of no use when invading Jihadists ran it over.
        Prayer also didn’t help Buddhists and Hindus in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where they used to be majority… until bloodthirsty Jihadists came along.

        • Drakken

          And they won’t ever get it until they are all in mass graves. Sorry, but I’m going with my boots on.

          • BagLady

            Sorry, but I’m going with my boots on.”

            Don’t forget your Stetson and spurs.

        • BagLady

          Oy, the world is full of tribes running about killing each other on a regular basis. In Papua New Guinea the government has ordered hospitals to stop treating spear wounds as the constant battles are leaving the plantations unmanned for days on end.

      • BagLady

        Praise Jesus and pass the port would have the same outcome but without so much blood.

    • tedh754

      So are you saying that all Christians should just put their heads on the chopping block? Is it against the Word to protect oneself? It seems to me that allowing oneself to be killed without trying to stop it is the same as suicide. Sorry, I can’t allow that to happen. And I’m not saying commit genocide to prevent another. I am saying protect one self!

  • 1Indioviejo1

    Armenia and Georgia should militarize. Just as the Ukrainians, The Baltic States, Poland, and the rest of eastern Europe. Know this, you are on your own and will face Muslims and Russians as your enemies as you all have in the past. It is a historical imperative.

    • BagLady

      I’ve got a better idea. Let’s ask how these two countries are doing under their new alliance with Europe. Then we can discuss it.

      Not sure why you are linking Russia with Muslim as though Putin is allying himself with……

      ……..who is he allying himself with?

      • A Z

        They did better under Russia?

        It is a tough neighborhood. it takes a while 20 years or less to being an economy up. You have to have the right policies. Right now Europe is still in the clutches of the Left with the welfare and free zex.

        • BagLady

          Europe is in the clutches of the IMF.

          If I was Putin I’d be patient. I see no reason for use of force in Ukraine. Once the Ukrainian ‘government’ accepts the terms of the new $27 billion bailout the people may well change their allegiance. When pensions are cut, jobs are lost and small businesses go under and taxation increases, the people are going to be far less enamored with European ‘democracy’..

          Currently, heating bills are subsidised but the IMF demands that gas prices rise by 50% immediately but subsidies to households cut gradually over 2 years by +85%.

          Of the $27 bn loan, the first $7bn is to be paid directly to European banks in loan interest. The local currency will be allowed to sink against the dollar to help exports. Needless to say, this will give rise to rampant inflation, loss of spending power and further job losses.

          Two years down the line the IMF will return and offer yet another loan, only this time they’ll want to take the bones of the country.

          There seems to be no upside to joining Europe as a fringe State and I reckon even the young hopefuls will choose Russia over a permanent state of depression.

          If I was Putin I’d be putting forward an alternative bail-out.

          The inevitable outcome is a deep depression

          • A Z

            “2 NeoNazi parties in Kyev have little or no following”

            The ones with little or no following that pushed out the Yanukovych? If they had ” little or no following” how did they do that? There must be more to the discontent with Yanukovych than parties “with little or no following”.

          • BagLady

            It was an huge impulsive student rally to begin with. The violence was introduced by the right.

            No fears, the oligarchs have reclaimed the throne. All those now with the power have personal control of all the resources that have kept Ukraine afloat although on a downward spiral as their industries close.

            They will take the IMF offer simply because it will directly benefit their own industries by assisting exports and the people will pay heavily for this ‘benefit’. Let’s see how long it takes for them to realise that the loan is far greater than their ability to ever repay it.

          • A Z

            Yanukovich was not an oligarch?

            You did see his mansion did you not?

            What drugs are you taking? I want some.

          • A Z

            “It was an huge impulsive student rally to begin with. The violence was introduced by the right.”

            Sure, because we have never saw Black Bloc, OWS, anarchist or anyone perpetuate violence.

            Further neoNazis are of the Left.

            When I saw films of people behind shields getting shot in the street by snipers, I could not tell if they were neoNazis or someone else.

          • A Z

            Egypt, Indonesia, & Ecuador among others subsidize oil and gas.

            You know what happens when the foreign exchange accounts run dry, because they won’t cut subsidies?

            The IMF is run by Leftectuals. The government needs to balance its’ budget over the long haul. That is true. How to do it is another matter.

            I would ease off subsidies and cut taxes (or at least not raise them). That way the government balances its’ budget and people are not hit with a price shock.

          • A Z

            Ukraine would not join Europe as a fringe state. It is the size of Poland or bigger. It has a lot of resources. If they are developed right, there is no reason why it would not be prosperous.

  • Drdetroitdanchap

    By all means stop them …….. AFTER WE SEND THE KARHDASIANS ………..

  • Korruptor

    The rise of the 8th, the Ottoman Empire…

    • Christian Groenheide

      Yep, it will come again! Thats the magnificent thing with a god who knows the end from the beginning. ;)

      • Korruptor

        And who doesn’t change on a whim, or revoke His own laws.

  • BagLady

    It is you who is ‘whipping up’ hatred. Calm down. Go get a beer. The Whirling Dervishes aren’t on your doorstep. It is your scary people on theirs. Imagine life when little drones fly over your village on a daily basis and occasionally take out a family or two.

    What do you want from these people, Love?

    • A Z

      Not because they don;t want to be. they are just busy right now. Even now and then they get slapped down. they will be back.

      Does you neighborhood have sharia patrols yet?

      They do allow sharia law to be used for inheritance now in British courts. You must feel so proud.

      Remember a woman is worth 1/2 a man for inheritance. and yet blithering feministas will be talking about the wage gap.

      • BagLady

        I refer you to my reply to your misogynist mate who called me “Arafat’s squeeze”.

        Do you believe in a wage gap?

        As far as Sharia and inheritance is concerned, I have no idea but, perhaps you never got screwed under British inheritance laws.

        • A Z

          No, I do not believe n the wage gap. I do not see it in my extended family.

          First, I do not think family leave for child rearing is properly taken into account in the statistics.

          Second, it has been shown on congressional and White House staffs that Democrats pay less than Republicans. The problem is with the Left.

          • BagLady

            Second, it has been shown on congressional and White House staffs that
            Democrats pay less than Republicans. The problem is with the Left”

            I presume you mean that Dems pay less tax than Reps. Surely this suggests that the rich vote Republican and the poor go for the Dems. Nothing more.

          • A Z

            I really should write in baby sized bites for you.

            Women on Democrat congressional staffs are paid less than women on Republican staffs.

            So if you wanted to be a chief of staff and were female, you could count on being paid more by a Republican politician than a Democrat politician

          • BagLady

            I don’t care so long as the sexes aren’t discriminatory.

            You seem to suggest that young people choose their political affiliations simply by which party pays the highest wages regardless of hidden costs.

            Perhaps you are right.

          • A Z

            I made a *hypothetical situation*, where if a young woman was looking to be paid in full ***with everything else equal***, then she would choose to work for a Republican.

            There are many hidden costs to being a liberal.

            If you are interested (we know you are not), you could peruse PJmedia’s essays and blogs (pjmedia.com) on the subject of equal pay.

            But commenting is a little harder on PJMedia so I am sure that will dissuade you in an instant.

          • BagLady

            Hm, I have dim recollections of this site in a previous motherboard life. I shall revisit. Why do they make it difficult to comment, I wonder.

          • A Z

            It makes it difficult to follow up on your comments unlike with Disqus.

            On the than that it is no harder after you have registered an account and it cuts down on trolling. So you might find comments perhaps more edifying.

          • A Z

            More often than not I see women staffing HR.

            “The Society for Human Resource Management, generally composed of those who do the hiring, opposes the legislation and has produced talking points. The legislation, it said, “would outlaw the consideration of many legitimate pay factors, such as an employee’s level of education and training, professional experience and salary history.””

            http://pjmedia.com/blog/senate-gops-make-tactical-move-in-allowing-fair-pay-language/?singlepage=true

    • Drakken

      There you go again, more sympathy and empathy for Islamic savages that want you dead, how bloody pathetic, you leftist deserve your fate. History is never kind to weak feckless people such as yourself.

      • BagLady

        I’m sitting on my ‘mountain peak’ watching from afar. They want you dead and you clearly want them dead. What do you want me to say children?

    • Christian Groenheide

      Richard Wurmbrand once gave an example where in prison a murderer had more rightiousness then anyone else!
      In prison the inmated beat up a christian every day again and again! And nobody did a thing. Other christians might have prayed for that one christian but none of them lifted a finger. Then one day the murderer, who had comitted so many murders that one more or less wouldn’t matter anymore, said in anger that anyone who touch that innocent christian one more time, he would murder him. For that christian had done no wrong to anyone.
      Why do murderers have more rightiousness then you? Praying yet not lifting a finger to free the opressed from their opressor. Because you might be called this or that?? Why? What reason can there possibly be to look away from the genocide?

      • BagLady

        Sorry darling. You’ve lost me.

        • Avram Cohen

          Lack of intelligence will do that!

  • A Z

    Dub in John McCain’s voice over the shouts “Allah Akbar” saying “Thank god” of any and all films like this. Do this as long as needed.

    Let him live with the infamy.

  • A Z

    Better to live under the oligarchy of China than the tyranny of the Left in the West.

    China is equal opportunity. They had government minders in the Yellow Jade Buddhist Temple in Shanghai right in the sanctuary. I was told not to stare. I stared. Not exactly smart, but a bad habit of mine.

    In spite of that I have seen many a Buddhist monk in the saffron robes out and about without a care in the world.

    China would treat Christians better than say Obama.

    • Drakken

      You go ahead and live under the Chins as a round eye, not me.

      • A Z

        I know how the White Russians were treated. They would have been better off in Europe after the Bolshevik Revolution.

        I said they would be treated better than under Obama. I did not say I considered it optimal or even near optimal.

        I had some misgivings about writing what I wrote. China cracks down on “house” churches. They do not want the church to grow. Still they look somewhat better than the Left who wants to put everyone in prison who disagrees with them. They have suggested that for church people and Climate change deniers. I’m sorry but at that point China looks more inviting.

        • Drakken

          The left for now isn’t killing people in masse, the Chins don’t have that problem, if you understand anything about Orientals, understand this, they are a brutal sadistic lot, especially to the round eyes and when these muslims in their midst get a little too uppity they will go in and kill them all.

          • A Z

            I don’t know. The Uighurs seem to have no restrictions on children and so can outbreed them.Also the Uighurs seem to kill more Chinese than the other way around.

            The Chinese brought in a Uighur millionaire into the Party She had like 8 children. shortly after the invitation she relocated to the U.S. She decided not to work form the inside. Maybe she would have been window dressing. Maybe not. She did not stick around long enough to find out.

            I have not seen any sadistic Chinese. I have seen some desperate ones.

          • Bamaguje

            “if you understand anything about Orientals, understand this, they are a brutal sadistic” – Drakken.

            That’s a very unfair generalization of an entire race. Hitler killed far more people than any Oriental.

          • Christian Groenheide

            Come again??? Hitler killed about 12 million people in concentration camps. Mao Zedon killed between 50 and 78 million people in his “great leap forward”. Haven’t you heard of him?? Pol Pot? Kim Jung Il? Kim Il Sung? And the list goes on and on and on? What are these people? Asian or Asian?

          • Christian Groenheide
          • Drakken

            Wrong. the Japs killed more Chinese than the Germans killed jews and if you ever had the misfortune of being a prisoner of the Orientals, you would know that are much more sadistic and brutal than a German ever was. Life is unfair so the Orientals will get over it.

          • BagLady

            How strange. All the Chinese I know have the same emotions as you ’round eyes’. They work hard, cook and take care of their kids.

        • Christian Groenheide

          China is the fastest growing christian community in the world. Soon it will take over america as largest christian nation in the world. Hope the left don’t get a foot in the door there to nuture christianity with claims of guilt and what not. So that they don’t even defend themselves anymore and turn the gospel which most certainly is not a pacifist doctrine into a suicidal doctrine. God how some christians depend on the “children of this world” to protect them.

          A good example for them: When your neighbor is beating up his wife, what do you do?? 1: Pray? 2: Call the police?

          When you call the police and he happens to be a christian, should the police pray for the both and not touch the husband or should the husband be removed from the premises and be given treatment for his agression and probarbly a legal punishment? Do the police have the right to use violence to achieve aforementioned goals? Not if he is christian.. Then all the police is allowed to do is pray for the husband and the wife. Because our fight is not with flesh but with spirits and principalities of the air.

          These people have lost all their reasoning. How can you become so ball-less? Great heroes of faith have conquered kingdoms! Did they do that by preaching the word or praying or putting the king to the sword? Come on here. Gideon did not pray for the midianites who killed his brothers, he butchered them. Zebah and Zalmunna said as is the man, so is his strength. And Gideon pierced those 2 kings of Midian DEAD!

          Gideon killed everyone along the way who did not support him or give food to his troops!

          Judges 8:

          4 Gideon and his three hundred men, exhausted yet keeping up the pursuit, came to the Jordan and crossed it. 5 He said to the men of Sukkoth, “Give my troops some bread; they are worn out, and I am still pursuing Zebah and Zalmunna, the kings of Midian.”
          6 But the officials of Sukkoth said, “Do you already have the hands of Zebah and Zalmunna in your possession? Why should we give bread to your troops?”
          7 Then Gideon replied, “Just for that, when the Lord has given Zebah and Zalmunna into my hand, I will tear your flesh with desert thorns and briers.”
          8 From there he went up to Peniel[a] and made the same request of them, but they answered as the men of Sukkoth had. 9 So he said to the men of Peniel, “When I return in triumph, I will tear down this tower.”
          Where are the days that USA bombed dresden and lay waste to complete cities, winning the hearts and minds of the nazi’s? Where are the days that the USA firebombed japans PAPER houses which caused even more fatalities then the 2 nucleair bombs that were dropped later, WINNING THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF THE JAPANESE! Who then became america’s allie.
          I’m disgusted with the abuse of scripture. It seems like we as christians are responsible to win the love of the devil who hates us and wants us exterminated. He is laughing himself to death at our impotence! This is not gods impotence! Extermination of gods people has occured more then once in history. See the killing of babies which led to the exodus, and god punishing egypt with 9 plages + the killing of all the firstborn as 10th plague. (yes, god sees, but does that mean we have to go silently in the night?) After that the constant raids from the enemies of the israelites. Gideon which i showed before. But also after the destruction of the jewish state by the babylonians: Purim. The jews prayed to god yes, but they also took up the sword and defended their lives and were victorious. This is biblical doctrine just as the many battles that the heroes of judea, the prophets, the judges and the kings fought

          • A Z

            Chinese Christians are not a threat to China.

            If they asked for transparency in government, they would be a threat to the ruling oligarchy. Good Christians anywhere should not put up with no bid contracts or nepotism.

          • Christian Groenheide

            Neither were they a threat to the roman empire. Things change “FAST” however.

          • A Z

            There was at least one if not more legionaires, who upon becoming Christians refused to fight. At that time Rome was not fighting Wars of aggression.

            I would consider them a threat. It is bad when you have an army that won’t fight

          • Christian Groenheide

            you are talking 1 or more persons. We have that in our time too. But take my word for it, lots of christians serve abroad and christians have fought in many wars loyal to king and country. In fact John the baptist when asked from the soldiers of rome on how to repent said they need to be content with their wage and not extort the people because they are armed. John never said they need to throw down their arms. As if that would have been acceptable with jesus being the same god that ordered Saul to kill man, woman and child, beast and everything of the Amalekites.

          • A Z

            I am pointing out some cases. I don’t know how big of a problem it was in the Roman Army. It did happen. It might have been big or it might have been small.

            By the time of Constantine there were a lot of Christians fighting for “king” & “country”.

            I am a Roman army buff as well as a Christian. Not looking to knock either.

      • BagLady

        What do you know of life in Beijing for your average Joe?

  • Kenneth

    The word of god says in Jesus word says the world doesn’t hate u but hates me because I came and testified that it’s works are evil…. This is why we are sheep led to the slaughter, because we represent the truth and the world hates the truth and prefers the lie

    • Drakken

      Well you go ahead and be slaughtered, sorry the rest of us won’t stand by waiting for the ax to fall to appease peace at any price types like yourself, good luck with that policy position of yours, history is filled with folks like you, they are called mass graves.

  • worldPEACE9

    So tired of these barbaric Turks. How much more Armenian blood will quench their thirst?

    • Drakken

      All of it.

      • worldPEACE9

        You’re optimistic. You actually think the thirst IS quenchable.

        • Drakken

          Islam never ends until every gooddamn last muslim is put to the sword.

          • surj

            Drakken ” Islam never ends until every god damn last muslim is put to the sword ” And if we the infidels DON’T do that then it will be the muslims who will put us to the sword like they have been doingfrom the times of their so called profit mo-ham-mad . Just see http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
            This is from Muslim’s Quran Sura 2:193 ” Fight against them[ infidels/kafurs] until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme ” And that is what muslims have been doing from MO’s time

          • tedh754

            And the damn MSM in America wonders why the citizens refuse to give up their weapons.
            Me included.

  • BagLady

    Tell me, which countries do you want me to fight on your behalf?

    • Christian Groenheide

      You are a christian? Then lets look at 2 things to come to a conclusion of who you have to liberate from it’s opressors. Direct (fighting yourself) or indirect (electing leadership who will put the pressure on governments perpetrating genocide on christians/send in the army to protect the brothers)

      1: We look at the world. Open doors would be a good place to start. (http://www.worldwatchlist.us/world-watch-list-countries/)

      2: We look at the bible and see where god points us to. For example in Isaiah 63 god talks about exterminating the edomites and being apalled that nobody was there to help him exterminate those people. His language is not that of a wimp.. Be prepared for what you are about to read from the god you claim to love:

      ———————————————————

      Isaiah 63

      God’s Day of Vengeance and Redemption

      63 Who is this coming from Edom,
      from Bozrah, with his garments stained crimson?
      Who is this, robed in splendor,
      striding forward in the greatness of his strength?

      “It is I, proclaiming victory,
      mighty to save.”

      2 Why are your garments red,
      like those of one treading the winepress?

      3 “I have trodden the winepress alone;
      from the nations no one was with me.
      I trampled them in my anger
      and trod them down in my wrath;
      their blood spattered my garments,
      and I stained all my clothing.
      4 It was for me the day of vengeance;
      the year for me to redeem had come.
      5 I looked, but there was no one to help,
      I was appalled that no one gave support;
      so my own arm achieved salvation for me,
      and my own wrath sustained me.
      6 I trampled the nations in my anger;
      in my wrath I made them drunk
      and poured their blood on the ground.”

      ———————————————————

      The bible + the current world leads us to the conclusion that the muslim world is extremely guilty of exterminating christians. You not doing anything about it. Even speaking in a sadisticly sarcastic way to me, asking sarcasticly who you ought to fight, AS IF YOU DID NOT KNOW WHO TO LIBERATE OUT OF THE CLUTCHES OF THEIR OPRESSORS! But no! You elect leaders who will fight over political opinions and OIL! And then you have the gall to demand that you are peaceful and pacifistic and that the crusades are some historical mistake when in fact they are the thing that saved your hide from annihalation! They are the reason you are now pretending to be a christian. But looking away when people are put to the sword. How about: If you don’t pick up the sword you will end up on the sword for certain. If you do pick it up you can help the innocent that are exterminated before our very eyes!

      The least you could have done was put extreme pressure on those oil rich nations which drink the blood of the saints and you buy their accursed oil!

      How the crusades saved your hide, which you don’t want to repeat again…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMjUFBYEzqQ

      • BagLady

        You are a christian?

        No.

        • Christian Groenheide

          Am i a follower of the real man Yeshua who walked the shores of galilee, who said he is the son of the living god. The eternal father, the almighty god, the prince of peace? Am i a follower of the messiah that is prophecied by the prophets of israel to come and be everlasting ruler over gods kingdom. Who will destroy the armies of this world that set out to exterminate gods chosen people? Who will establish gods everlasting kingdom on earth and reign from jerusalem and who will be worshipped by all men? Yes, i believe in the messiah that is prophecied by the prophets. That messiah who told Saul to kill all the amalekites, man, woman, child and beast. I follow the messiah who says to “love your enemies”. But who didn’t mean that his sacrifice wasn’t enough. That god needs a big slaughter of those who love him and that we ought to love the enemy that sets out to exterminate every last one of us so much as to let our brothers and sisters be led to the slaughter without us doing anything about it! Sorry, that is a false god and a false messiah. A god that never revealed himself to Abraham. A god that didn’t call moses. A god that didn’t make david into the king of israel to establish his house forever. That is not the god who had begotten a one and only special son. That god doesn’t even exist! The god that does exist is not a sadistic pervert demanding that we be led to the slaughter like sheep even if we can stop the genocide!
          You depend on the children of this world to come to your defense and even then your fake god attests that they are sinners for defending your right to worship your false moloch.

          • BagLady

            That messiah who told Saul to kill all the amalekites, man, woman, child and beast.

            Why would a messiah be so mean?

            I have another problem. Why has all activity in Heaven already happened in one millennium? Has God relinquished his rights to man? What if he decides he’s not happy with us and has changed his mind because we’ve been naughty, or he realizes we can’t handle the responsibility of looking after the planet he gave us — and why should he be — and sends another Son to talk to us? Perhaps he sends loads of them all the time. Perhaps those men wrapped in sandwich boards and ranting in parks (on sunny days) are speaking the truth. Perhaps Bush and Blair were telling the truth when they proclaimed they had had instructions from above to go blow away hundreds of thousands of foreigners. They weren’t God’s actual children so it didn’t matter.

          • Christian Groenheide

            That messiah is not “mean”. He told Saul to kill all the amalekites because god has set his face against these people they day they tried to kill all the israelites, just after they left the desert. Attacking the rear of the israelites. The old men and young children.

            Then Moses fought with Amalek and god swore an oath that day… here it is:

            Exodus 17:14

            New International Version (NIV)

            14 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write this on a scroll as something to be remembered and make sure that Joshua hears it, because I will completely blot out the name of Amalek from under heaven.”

            That to you is mean. To me the dropping of 2 nucleair bombs on hiroshima and nagasaki is meaner. So is the extermination of all life on the planet in the days of Noah and so is the killing of Sodom and Gomorrah. Or what to think of the destruction of Pompey.
            Maybe the tsunami in japan was even worse then all of the aforementioned. But matter of fact is, if you wage war against god and are exterminating his people. Don’t expect a warm embrace by the father of the house.

          • BagLady

            I don’t call myself atheist because that would be too arrogant and suggest that I know all, which I do not. I am agnostic and do not rule out higher being(s). The universe is so unimaginably huge and time, the only linear and eternal ‘element’ in our world, is beyond our understanding.

            I have always thought that, if there is a god, he would have said, at the beginning of ‘time’: Here you go folks. I have given you a world full of everything you need to keep body and soul together. I command you to take care of it. I shall not interfere but I shall be watching.

            You, on the other hand, suggest that God ignores the millions that die from natural disasters — usually from being in the wrong place due to poverty — but pops in occasionally to ‘save’ one particular portion of society.

          • Christian Groenheide

            And the truth finally surfaced. Was that so hard?? You are not a follower of christ. Thank you for admitting that!

          • Christian Groenheide

            Actually i think this is a horrible question. It just goes to show how deep your ignorance is of christianity or judaism from which christianity stems.
            When god saved the children of israel out of the bondage of egypt, he did that with 10 terrible plagues. He also led the people thru the desert for 40 years, giving them food and water in miraculous ways. Does that mean that they saw the promised land??? Does that mean that they did not die in the end?? Or even that they never died a horrible death??
            You see, death is the justice that god condemns us and our sins. In jesus we are not personally condemned anymore, but we still suffer the distance towards god in that he forsakes us and lets us die. But after this “justice” in dieing we are also resurrected with jesus.
            I think this is the heart of the gospel. ANd your question hence is so silly. Why does god save one person and lets the other perish?? Wrong! 100% OF HUMANITY DIES! God just happens to show his love to his people now and again.

          • Christian Groenheide

            Read the chapter of Exodus 17. It’s really cool! You’ll find a true god here… Not a mean one but a holy god!

            15 Moses built an altar and called it The Lord is my Banner. 16 He said, “Because hands were lifted up against[c] the throne of the Lord,[d] the Lord will be at war against the Amalekites from generation to generation.”

            Now read Daniel 11:

            36 “The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place.

            Or revelation 13

            6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them.
            You think that god is mean.. Tell that to god when you see him. Go ask god why he is not like the god you worship who will sacrifice innocent children to demons to satiate their bloodlust. No, god pours out his full wrath on his enemies and blots out their remembrance from the earth!

          • Christian Groenheide

            You love the gentleness of the lord?? Sure i do too! But when faced with an enemy who is determined to exterminate christianity…

            Lets look at Islams holy scriptures:

            Sunan Abu Dawud book 37 no 4310:
            Narrated AbuHurayrah:

            The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (peace_be_upon_him). He will descent (to the earth). When you see him, recognise him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.

            You said you had no enemies. Well that can only be if you are not a christian. Muhammad says you are a pig that must be exterminated.

            The muslim Jesus will kill the pigs and break their cross. According to Muhammad you are a pig that has to be exterminated. So……

            Are you a jewish christian (very unlikely, they can’t uphold such nonsense ideas of a hippy messiah)

            Sahih Bukhari book 41 no 6985

            Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

            If you are a jew you also have to be exterminated. Or heaven will never even open up.

            So now that you know that Muslims have the religious duty to cleanse the world of Jews and Christians. That this king has declared war on God and all his servants.

            Revelation 17

            12 “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

            Somehow you seem to think that this antichrist is going to go up to heaven with the clouds to fight god in heaven or something. ANd that in heaven god is going to be victorious. That we as christians NEVER have to pick up a sword. Because we are on the earth…

            Revelation 12:12
            Therefore rejoice, you heavens
            and you who dwell in them!
            But woe to the earth and the sea,
            because the devil has gone down to you!
            He is filled with fury,
            because he knows that his time is short.”

        • Christian Groenheide

          I have just 1 question for you:

          How is your enemy going to cower before you?? Ever???

          Deu 33

          27 The eternal God is your refuge,
          and underneath are the everlasting arms.
          He will drive out your enemies before you,
          saying, ‘Destroy them!’
          28 So Israel will live in safety;
          Jacob will dwell[f] secure
          in a land of grain and new wine,
          where the heavens drop dew.
          29 Blessed are you, Israel!
          Who is like you,
          a people saved by the Lord?
          He is your shield and helper
          and your glorious sword.
          Your enemies will cower before you,
          and you will tread on their heights.”

          How are your feet ever going to be in their necks? How are you ever going to wade thru their blood (psalm 68:23 that your feet may wade in the blood of your foes, while the tongues of your dogs have their share.”)? How is the enemy ever going to be like ashes underneath your feet? (mal 4:3 Then you will trample on the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty.)
          How can all this be with your hippy god who commands you to be slaughtered when faced by an enemy who is out to exterminate every last christian on the planet.
          Love your enemy??? Not as much as to let him slaughter all of my brothers and sisters in Christ! I can love a murderer after we hang him on the gallows! May god judge his soul!

          • BagLady

            How is your enemy going to cower before you?? Ever???

            I have no enemies.

          • Christian Groenheide

            You have no wolves in your life? Then you are not a sheep! If you had belonged to christ you would have had lots of wolves! Lots of enemies! Christ has more enemies then friends! If they hate the father of the house like that, what of his household!
            I think it is because you have been nutured so badly that you have completely lost any kind of spine.

          • BagLady

            Why would I want to join you and suddenly find myself with lots of enemies? Get real

          • Christian Groenheide

            So let me get this real.. When muslims are exterminating christians, budhists, hindu’s, atheists, agnostics, etc. Then you are willing to go to their death cult and then accept whatever consequences that follow. However if the rest of humanity (80%) win and islam gets abolished worldwide then you are a traitor that would come to our camp?
            I’m sorry, i don’t like those folks. You can’t be neutral in this fight baglady.

          • BagLady

            When I see a sign that I’m in danger of being forced to wear a veil and get whipped in the street by Jihadist madmen then I shall begin to worry. In the meantime I am more worried at the increasing inhumane arrogance of my rip-off bank.

          • Christian Groenheide

            Thats how it is then?? You care nothing about the evil comitted under the sun! Then when they are coming for you, why should anyone care for your freedom? Why???

            Winston Churchill said that we are spirits, and we have responsibility! You do too! Moreover since you are in a democrasy! You have a duty to stand up for those in this world who are persecuted and murdered because they don’t believe as the muslims do!

            See that video again that i posted from Ronald Reagan!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvg7lRsCVJ8
            You are an absolute disgrace to humanity! ANd you should talk to me about morals! About a god who lets people perish here or there! About us being cruel or what not! You have just said that you care nothing about justice! You only care about your bank note, that you can dwell in riches a little more! YOu can eat and drink and feast a little more!
            You are a repugnant person! A disgrace to our societies!

            “First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Socialist.

            Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

            Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Jew.

            Then they came for me–and there was no one left to speak for me.

            Martin Niemöller

            You are a disagrace to the human race!

          • BagLady

            Good grief!! Do you sport a goatie?

          • Christian Groenheide

            Why, what does my personal and outward esthetics have to do with the stench coming from your heart? Which is more important?? The outside or the inside? I couldn’t care less if you looked like Ronald McDonnald, you are a repugnant person! A disgrace to the human race! And don’t bother being part of any sheep group. You are part of the traitors to the human race group. To the sociopaths narcisists who care only for themselves, no matter if millions of people are lead to the slaughter. You however support wars fought for oil, diamonds and other kind of luxury. You also say that you care more about the stock market and bankers who stash their pockets then about the millions being led to the slaughter? Why?? Because you want to share in the plunder? You want to share in the riches of this world? All the while elsewhere towns and all the innocents in them are being led to the slaughter because they happen to be convinced of another truth then the islamic doctrine of world domination and extermination of all who don’t want to believe as they do.
            You are a pathetic person! A disgrace! And i have no goatie! Just look at my picture and see exactly what i look like you despicable person!

          • BagLady

            You however support wars fought for oil, diamonds and other kind of
            luxury. You also say that you care more about the stock market and
            bankers who stash their pockets then about the millions being led to the
            slaughter? Why??

            What on earth are you talking about? You are confusing me with someone else. Nothing I have every written on this site supports your ridiculous notion that I am pro oil, diamond, stock market rape.

          • Christian Groenheide

            You have said exactly that. Don’t even try to squirm yourself out of it!
            “When I see a sign that I’m in danger of being forced to wear a veil and get whipped in the street by Jihadist madmen then I shall begin to worry. In the meantime I am more worried at the increasing inhumane arrogance of my rip-off bank.”

            it can be found a couple of comments above. You care nothing about the people being led to the slaughter. It were not people like you who fought to liberate europe from the nazi’s who were slaughtering millions of people to set up their world dominating 1000 years empire. It were people like me who bombed the hell out of dresden. Who threw 2 nucleair bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki! Who hung the perpetrators of the huge mass murders of history by the neck. Who condemned these atrocities. It were people like you who are to blame for the 2nd world war! People like you said that people like me are war mongerers for warning against hitler and the coming war.

            People like you however have been hated after the war. Just google Nancy Astor. Who told Winston Churchill that she would have poisoned him, had he been her husband! Churchill told that nazi in London that he would have happily drunk that tea had she been his wife!

            Who does history remember as a hero?? Who does history remember as a traitor?? Right…. Why??? Because i’m right and you are a despicable human being!

          • BagLady

            You however support wars fought for oil, diamonds and other kind of
            luxury. You also say that you care more about the stock market and
            bankers who stash their pockets then about the millions being led to the
            slaughter? Why??

            You’ve mixed me up with another darlin’. I support none of the above and you will be hard pressed to find a single post that supports any kind of war for profit,

            Strange that I am usually labelled ‘commie pacifist’ and yet you swing me far right and cast me in the Hitler camp.

            I have scrutinized your avatar and it tells me nothing.

            However, you are clearly an over-emotional reactionary.

          • Christian Groenheide

            My avatar will tell you everything. And you sound like a communist alright. You also pretend that you are a pacifist but you are not! You clearly support mass murderers and genocide. That can never make you a pacifist! Don’t tell me i’m hard pressed to find anything. YOu have said nothing to protect those that are beig led to the slaughter, in doing nothing you have done all i need to know. Silence is consent! And you agree that these innocent people must be butchered. What you do resist however is that anyone stop the genocide. And here you show your allegiance. And if it were up to me, i would pay for your flight ticket to have you dropped down over Homs with a parachute so either Isil or Al Nusra can rape you and then cut your head off… Then another dickhead like you can say: Who should we fight and protect?? Nobody.. Just like Mohammed once said…

            “When the apostle heard what she had said he said, “Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?” `Umayr b. `Adiy al-Khatmi who was with him heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her. In the morning he came to the apostle and told him what he had done and he [Muhammad] said, “You have helped God and His apostle, O `Umayr!” When he asked if he would have to bear any evil consequences the apostle said, “Two goats won’t butt their heads about her”, so `Umayr went back to his people.

          • Avram Cohen

            I bet you have one goatlady

          • Christian Groenheide

            After contemplating your comments and seeing you finally reveal that you aren’t even a christian i have come to this conclusion:

            I would have understood in part if you were a christian and pretended that god himself would come down from heaven to crush his enemies who are killing his people. That would have been an insane idea, but nontheless it would have made at least some sense! But seeing you are nothing but an atheist/agnostic. You haven’t even the kind of faith for that! What you propose the world does to solve the problem that islam is exterminating everyone and you are talking to us telling us we shouldn’t resist. I find this utterly unacceptable! This is extremely obscene and hypocritical beyond measure. I wonder: Why don’t you go to the many jihad websites and tell the jihadi’s there to stop doing their jihad. They at least could be reasoned with with humanistic world view of being a little more pacifist. Not trying to murder everyone who doesn’t believe as they do. But to ask 80% of humanity not to resist being slaughtered, even without an alternative hope or without ANY argument, ANY rational concept of how to solve the problem..

            This goes against all logic!

            I say you should pack up your stuff and start arguing with muslims! Maybe they’ll listen and deny the edicts and commandments of Allah to murder 80% of humanity.

            Sahih Muslim 1:33

            Book 1, Number 0033:

            It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. ‘Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.

            Source: http://www.iium.edu.my/deed/hadith/muslim/001_smt.html

            Now go and talk to them about your pacifist worldview where there is no fighting. That would save lives. Not telling us to not resist being slaughtered.

          • Avram Cohen

            Your a idiot Baglady, I don’t think anyone would want you to join them!

          • BagLady

            Ah, but you see I have no desire to be a sheep, herded by your talentless politicians and religious ‘leaders’. I am quite happy being a free thinker with no politic nor religious allegiance…. and no enemies.

            Enjoy your sheep-life. Get fleeced regularly and then get roasted on the day of reckoning.

  • jewdog

    As Hitler once said : “Who remembers the Armenians?” To that I would add : “Who even notices the Armenians?”
    Turkish atrocities should merit special attention since Turkey is a NATO member. It’s the Armenians who should be in NATO.

  • Jara Malo

    Turks have always been savages and criminals.
    They can not create. They can only destroy.

  • Jara Malo

    Armenians have always normally lived among Muslims.
    Only the Turks staged a genocide.
    Arab countries have saved Armenians.

  • Jara Malo

    Better to see than to read

  • Avram Cohen

    Agree 100%,, except the fact that no one is helping them, the USA and it’s allies supplies weapons to the terrorist groups that end up eating the hearts of their victims before beheading them!