Why ‘Moderate Islam’ Is an Oxymoron

Raymond Ibrahim is a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center, a Judith Friedman Rosen Writing Fellow at the Middle East Forum and a CBN News contributor. He is the author of Crucified Again: Exposing Islam’s New War on Christians (2013) and The Al Qaeda Reader (2007). 


ATTACK AFGHANISTANReprinted from CBN News.

At a time when terrorism committed in the name of Islam is rampant, we are continuously being assured—especially by three major institutions that play a dominant role in forming the Western mindset, namely, mainstream media, academia, and government—that the sort of Islam embraced by “radicals,” “jihadis,” and so forth, has nothing to do with “real” Islam.

“True” Islam, so the narrative goes, is intrinsically free of anything “bad.”  It’s the nut-jobs who hijack it for their own agenda that are to blame.

More specifically, we are told that there exists a “moderate” Islam and an “extremist” Islam—the former good and true, embraced by a Muslim majority, the latter a perverse sacrilege practiced by an exploitative minority.

But what do these dual adjectives—“moderate” and “extremist”—ultimately mean in the context of Islam?  Are they both equal and viable alternatives insofar as to how Islam is understood?  Are they both theologically legitimate?  This last question is particularly important, since Islam is first and foremost a religious way of life centered around the words of a deity (Allah) and his prophet (Muhammad)—the significance of which is admittedly unappreciated by secular societies.

Both terms—“moderate” and “extremist”—have to do with degree, or less mathematically, zeal: how much, or to what extent, a thing is practiced or implemented.  As Webster’s puts it, “moderate” means “observing reasonable limits”; “extremist” means “going to great or exaggerated lengths.”

It’s a question, then, of doing either too much or too little.

The problem, however, is that mainstream Islam offers a crystal-clear way of life, based on the teachings of the Koran and Hadith—the former, containing what purport to be the sacred words of Allah, the latter, the example (or sunna, hence “Sunnis”) of his prophet, also known as the most “perfect man” (al-insan al-kamil).   Indeed, based on these two primary sources and according to normative Islamic teaching, all human actions fall into five categories: forbidden actions, discouraged actions, neutral actions recommended actions, and obligatory actions.

In this context, how does a believer go about “moderating” what the deity and his spokesman have commanded?    One can either try to observe Islam’s commandments or one can ignore them: any more or less is not Islam—a word which means “submit” (to the laws, or sharia, of Allah).

The real question, then, is what do Allah and his prophet command Muslims (“they who submit”) to do?  Are radicals “exaggerating” their orders? Or are moderate Muslims simply “observing reasonable limits”—a euphemism for negligence?—when it comes to fulfilling their commandments?

In our highly secularized era, where we are told that religious truths are flexible or simply non-existent, and that any and all interpretations and exegeses are valid, the all-important question of “What does Islam command?” loses all relevance.

Hence why the modern West is incapable of understanding Islam.

Indeed, only recently, a Kenyan mosque leader said that the Westgate massacre, where Islamic gunmen slaughtered some 67 people, “was justified.  As per the Koran, as per the religion of Islam, Westgate was 100 percent justified.” Then he said: “Radical Islam is a creation of people who do not believe in Islam. We don’t have radical Islam, we don’t have moderates, we don’t have extremists. Islam is one religion following the Koran and the Sunna” [emphasis added].

Note his point that “Radical Islam is a creation of people who do not believe in Islam,” a clear reference to the West which coined the phrase “radical Islam.”  Ironically, the secular West, which relegates religious truths to the realm of “personal experience,” feels qualified to decide what is and is not “radical” about Islam.

Consider one example: Allah commands Muslims to “Fight those among the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] who do not believe in Allah nor the Last Day, nor forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor embrace the religion of truth [i.e., Islam], until they pay the jizya [tribute] with willing submission and feel themselves subdued”  [Koran 9:29].

How can one interpret this verse to mean anything other than what it plainly says?  Wherein lies the ambiguity, the room for interpretation?  Of course there are other teachings and allusions in the Koran that by necessity lend themselves over to the fine arts of interpretation, or ijtihad.  But surely the commands of Koran 9:29 are completely straightforward?

In fact, Muhammad’s 7th century followers literally acted on this and similar verses (e.g., 9:5), launching the first Muslim conquests, which saw the subjugation of millions of Christians, Jews, and others, and the creation of the “Muslim world.”  Such jihadi expansion continued until Islam was beaten on the battlefield by a resurgent West some two or three centuries ago.

Western scholarly works, before the age of relativism and political correctness set in, did not equivocate the meaning of jihad.  Thus the authoritative Encyclopaedia of Islam’s entry for “jihad” states that the “spread of Islam by arms is a religious duty upon Muslims in general …  Jihad must continue to be done until the whole world is under the rule of Islam … Islam must completely be made over before the doctrine of jihad [warfare to spread Islam] can be eliminated. Islamic law expert and U.S. professor Majid Khadduri (1909-2007), after defining jihad as warfare, wrote that “jihad … is regarded by all jurists, with almost no exception, as a collective obligation of the whole Muslim community.”

(As for the argument that the Bible contains similar war verses, yet Jews and Christians are not out to conquer the world—so why say Muslims are?—see “Are Judaism and Christianity as Violent as Islam” for a detailed breakdown of the similarities and differences.  Also see “Islamic Jihad and the Doctrine of Abrogation” to understand how the Koran’s more tolerant verses have been abrogated by its more militant ones, such as 9:29.)

In short, how can a sincere Muslim—by definition, one who has submitted to the teachings of Allah—“moderate” verses like 9:29?  How can he “observe reasonable limits” vis-à-vis these plain commands to combat and subjugate non-Muslims?

Must Muslims not, at the very least, admit that such teachings are true and should be striven for—even if they do not personally engage in the jihad, at least not directly (but they are encouraged to support it indirectly, including monetarily or through propaganda)?

Just recently, reports appeared telling of how Islamic groups in Syria were following Koran 9:29 to a tee—forcing Christian minorities to pay them jizya, i.e., extortion money, in exchange for their lives.  In fact, all around the Islamic world, Christians and other minorities are regularly plundered by Muslims who justify their actions be referring to the aforementioned verse.

Are all such Muslims being “extreme” in light of the commands of Koran 9:29—which specifically calls for the taking of money from Christians and Jews—or are they simply upholding the unambiguous teachings of Islam?

One may argue that, if Muslims are to take Koran 9:29 literally, why are Muslim nations the world over not declaring an all-out jihad on all non-Muslim nations, including America? The ultimate reason, of course, is that they simply can’t; they do not have the capability to uphold that verse (and Islamic teaching allows Muslims to postpone their obligations until circumstances are more opportune).

It would obviously be silly, if not suicidal,  for, say, Saudi Arabia, birthplace of Islam, to issue a statement to the West saying either accept Islam, pay jizya/tribute, or die by the sword.  But just because Muslim nations do not currently have the capacity to actualize Koran 9:29, does not mean that they do not acknowledge its veracity and try to actualize it in other places when they can.

A quick survey of history before the meteoric rise of Western military might put Islam in check makes this especially clear.

Bottom line: If Islam teaches X and a Muslim upholds X—how is he being “extreme”?  Seems more logical to say that it is Islam itself that is being “extreme.”  Similarly, if a self-professed Muslim does not uphold Islamic teachings—including prayer, fasting, paying zakat, etc.—how is he being a “moderate”?  Seems more logical to say that he is not much of a Muslim at all—that is, he is not submitting to Allah, the very definition of “Muslim.”

It’s time to acknowledge that dichotomized notions like “moderate” and “extreme” are culturally induced and loaded standards of the modern, secular West—hardly applicable to the teachings of Islam—and not universal absolutes recognized by all mankind.

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  • Bamaguje

    There are actually more violent and intolerant Quranic injunctions than Q 9:29:

    “When the sacred months are over, kill the unbelievers wherever you find them” – Q 9:5

    “O believers make war on the infidels (non-Muslims) who dwell around you, let them find harshness in you” – Q 9:123

    “Do you (Muslims) think you would enter Paradise before Allah knows the men who fought hard and steadfast?” – Q 3:142

    “Believers do not take Jews or Christians as friends or helpers” – Q 5:51

    • RightVote

      NONE of this gets out in the PUBLIC!!!!
      If ‘you’ say anything—you are already called intolerant and bigoted!
      This is scary times.

  • Hass

    Islam is totally devoid of humanity.

    As for the Quaran, it’s a book of war designed to inspire stupid people.

    • CaoMoo

      I call it the mind of satan on paper. It when taken in chronological order and put into context with the hadiths is chilling.

      • RightVote

        Well Stated!

    • Guess

      No different from the other two desert Cults really.

      • Drakken

        Yeah those Christians and jews really to love to blow people up in crowded markets, fly planes into buildings and cut infidels heads off because they don’t follow our religion, yeah they are the same, dumbazz.

        • SCREW SOCIALISM

          Blow up passenger planes like Pan Am 103.
          Fail trying to blow up passenger planes like the underwear and sneaker bombers.
          Set off bombs at the Boston Marathon.

      • Hass

        Shouldn’t you be at some third world sh*t hole open market getting ready to detonate?

    • Shue Arie

      I agree, there’s no such thing as Love in that hideous book of Filth and Paedophilia.

  • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

    I generally use the word “lax” instead of “moderate.”

  • Sudipta Barat

    There is nothing moderate about the Koran, either you are with them or against them, believer or non believer

  • Michael Copeland

    “Moderate” Islam? No deal.
    The US public is like Boris Johnson, Mayor of London, who is having the
    wool pulled over his eyes with a red herring past its sell-by date. So are Cameron and the team. We have heard it before: this PR “spin” is old hat, a distraction, but it is what they want to hear, so they love it.
    There is no mileage in it. It has no credibility.
    http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/6350-time-to-brush-the-wool-away-boris

  • Dian Kjaergaard

    There is an entirely different approach advocated especially by Ishad Manji – reform Islam – which *might* be the only hope we have in large parts of the world! . http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9169991/reclaiming-islam/

    Key quotes:

    “I am not a moderate Muslim, I am a reformist. Rooting out corrupt practices can never be an act of mere moderation. Restoring integrity, or wholeness, is always a radical act…. ‘Jihad’ has become part of the West’s vocabulary and with good reason. But there is a lesser-known term in Islam — one that has the capacity to change the world for good.

    “The idea is ‘ijtihad’, Islam’s tradition of questioning and reinterpreting. And it is absolutely fundamental to the spirit of the Qur’an. Islam’s scripture contains three times as many passages urging Muslims to think and rethink than verses promoting blind worship.

    “That’s nice in theory, but what about in fact? In the Islam of a millennium ago, ijtihad flourished. …”

    /// I think Irshad Manji is perhaps a little too naive and “blue-eyed” – but if there is no strong reform movement in Islam, we’re in deep, deep trouble.

    Daniel Pipes suggests, by the way, that a reform movement *is* possible. See for example: http://www.danielpipes.org/13033/can-islam-be-reformed
    “Can Islam Be Reformed? History and human nature say yes”
    by Daniel Pipes; Commentary; July/August 2013

    • Dyer’s Eve

      Wank! There is no ‘moderate’ Islam! I read those greasy articles you referenced. No! I refuse! Islam is crystal clear: smash and kill all those who don’t believe, refuse to believe and those who won’t pay the mafia tax. I won’t! I’ll fight and I refuse to fall!! Reform does not become a fossilised cult such as Islam.

      • Elisabeth Wolff

        Amen!

    • Drakken

      Manji and her deluded ilk thinks that islam can be reformed, they and people like them, think like that deny reality, islam must be stamped out to the last bloody muslim, period, there is no peace with islam unless they are all dead. It comes down to its either them, or us.

  • Ellsworth Toohey

    There are “moderate” muslims but there is NO such thing as moderate iSSlam, which is NAZISM without electricity !

  • Fishrrman

    The only possible solution The West has to the “islamic problem” is to return ALL muslims in The West back to “dar el islam”, either voluntarily or by force if necessary.

    This includes not only non-citizen muslims, but those in The West who have attained citizenship as well.

    The only exception must be for muslims who make a very public and irrefutable conversion to Christianity that cannot be revoked or denied at a later date.

    To put it another way, the nations of The West have but two choices regarding islam and the future:
    1. Boxcars, or
    2. Burqhas
    If they are unwilling to make the first choice, they WILL end up with the second.

    Which shall it be?

    - The Fishrrman

    • Drakken

      It will be by the sword for once a muslim is in western lands they won’t leave and declare it muslims lands, therefore, the muslim gives us jihad, we should return the favor with a Crusades on steroids.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    At a time when terrorism committed in the name of Islam is rampant,

    It’s not really terrorism; it’s jihad (holy war) instead. Terrorism is only one dimensional, as it is always and only violent. Jihad, on the other hand, is multidimensional in that it encompasses any and all means of waging jihad (holy war) both violent and non-violent.

    As a matter of fact, astronomically far more jihad manifests throughout the world today via non-violent means compared to violent means, but because jihad is so mischaracterized as being terrorism, the various non-violent forms of jihad, such as mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage to the infidel world, which is really non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad for the nefarious purposes of mass Muslim infiltration and eventual demographic conquest, for the most part is almost completely ignored. Nonetheless, without non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad via mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage, the 9/11 violent jihad attacks would have been absolutely impossible.

    The only similarity between terrorism and violent forms of jihad are they are virtually identical. However, jihad is always and only holy war in the cause of Allah to ultimately make Islam supreme. While terrorism, on the other hand, is perpetrated for all kinds of various reasons and causes and by all kinds of people other than Muslims.

    Indeed, if we called violent jihad attacks what they actually are violent jihad attacks as opposed to terrorism, self-hating leftwing loons and Ron Paul kooks wouldn’t be able to blame it on capitalist imperialism or America’s interventionist foreign policies, because everyone would automatically know that it is an act of holy war perpetrated by Muslims to ultimately make Islam supreme.

    • Western Canadian

      Absolutely amazing the way you are so impressed with your own pathetic and pedantic drivel, that you just can’t stop posting it over and over and over again.

      The only one you are impressing is yourself, even the muslims you are quoting laugh at you.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        Very apparently you support big time mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage to Canada because you believe that it will strengthen PC multicultural diversity in Canada. To each their own I guess.

  • Rinor Kurteshi

    The first and the foremost basic right is the right to live and
    respect human life. The Holy Quran lays down:

    Whosoever kills a human being without (any reason like) man
    slaughter, or corruption on earth, it is as though he had killed
    all mankind … (5:32)

    • Dyer’s Eve

      Ever heard of abrogation?

    • Drakken

      That verse applies to your fellow muslims, not us infidels so do yourself a real huge favor, return to the land of islam because soon your not going to get a choice.

    • Elisabeth Wolff

      This is taqiyya at its finest.
      What about the following verse? It commands that this is only for the Jews.
      You underestimate our intelligence…

      • David Ashton

        Does it not also say that Jews spread corruption on the earth and that believers should not take Christians or Jews as friends? Does it not also recommend severe punishments for hostile infidels?

        • Martel

          Surah 5 33 discusses the punishment for those who spread corruption on earth, which is quite gruesome. There are more then 7 verses which warn Muslims against befriending or congregating with unbelievers. Surah 3 118 is an example of such a verse, and forbids Muslims to allow an unbeliever to have an intimate relationship(platonic that is) with the Muslim.

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      rino, My Taiqyya alarm just went off.

      Do you know why it did?

    • Martel

      You misquote the verse, this is not what it says.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    This last question is particularly important, since Islam is first and foremost a religious way of life centered around the words of a deity (Allah) and his prophet (Muhammad)—the significance of which is admittedly unappreciated by secular societies.

    Actually, it is a cult that masquerades as being a religion, as adherents can’t leave Islam, i.e., become an apostate, without being killed. What true religions execute all apostates similar to Islam? The answer is none of them.

    Furthermore, is a religion that has as its sole fundamental purpose the subjugation of all religions and all infidels into Islamic totalitarianism through both violent and non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad and the eventual imposition of Sharia (Islamic totalitarian law) to ultimately make Islam supreme a religion or a cult? Is a religion that executes all adherents that speak out against it or who openly refuses to adhere to Islam’s texts and tenets a religion of a cult? Is a religion that requires total, complete, and unconditional submission to the “will of Allah”, which in essence is Sharia (Islamic totalitarian law), under the penalty of death for blasphemy and apostasy a religion or a cult? I submit that Islam is a cult, a very totalitarian cult.

    Of course, to Muslims Islam is their religion, but Muslims like secular leftists don’t have the first clue what actually constitutes a religion. Indeed, they are all dupes!

  • James Foard

    The mainstream media and academic elite have taken leave of their senses. It began decades ago with cultural relativism and has progressed to the point where it is treasonous. The media’s response to the suffering of Christians in the mid-east, Africa and Asia is “Let them eat cake”. Truly, the judgement of Matthew 24-25 on those who turned a blind eye to human suffering will be fulfilled on these modern scribes and pharisees. May God have mercy on our generation.

  • Piper Michael

    Sir,

    You are mistaken in one thing, that all westerners are taken in by. They think ISLAM means “peace” or “submit”, variously. What they cannot comprehend is the original meaning of the word, which can only be interpreted from the original Arabic… when interpreted correctly means:

    “There will be PEACE, when all the world SUBMITS to the will of allah.”

    (Little a in allah deliberate.)

    There is only one way to interpret this… but, we, in the west, have become politically correct panty waists, weak minded as well as weak of heart, biblically known as a deranged mind. We deceive ourselves because of fear, our liberal masters wet their pants, our religious leaders join Christ with Islam (Chrislam), in order to try to make friends with them. They do not understand the way of the world, which is the way of the sword. The way of the sword is double edged, the way of truth cuts both ways. But we are lost in our comforts, deceived by our fears, apathetic because of doctrines of devils, complacent because we know not the Truth. Thus, it is time, you must sell your coat of comfort, and buy the Sword of Truth. Invest outside The System of Babylon, the Deceivers, the Elite, the false world of false money for the black horseman stops his ride soon.

    Allah, is represented by the ancient moon god of the tribes of Ishmael, is a god of darkness, a god of war. This is why the ‘Houses’ of Islam are only two, Dar al Islam, and Dar al Haarb. The house of Peace, and the House of War. Those who reside in the house of war(infidel lands), are allowed any sin as along as it is committed against infidels. This includes the deception that is the essence of war. This also includes the ‘apostasy’ of ‘passivism’, to cause ones enemy to drop their guard. As they move into infidel lands, they bring their ways, and make requests that become demands as their numbers grow. Britain will learn the lesson of compromise with evil soon enough.

    Allah and Yah are the same god, the god of darkness. The Gnosis
    reveals that the deception of man took place long ago, they are both
    manifestations of the Chief Archon, the Defective god, the Son of Pistis
    Sophia; Yaltaboath. The God of animals, or animal power within the Dark
    soul of men, the God of Envy and Jealousy. Yah and Al-lah, transliterations
    of the same god of conflicts.

    Jesus was not the Son of Yah, or allah, He laughed at the disciples, but, those writings were burned and declared ‘heretic’, by the Catholic anti-christ. Those who destroyed the Truth, and substituted the Lie. Those who turned evil into good, and good into evil, as Jude said; “evil crept in unawares”.

    How can a Creator promote war and love, simultaneously? How can a ‘god’ be jealous? How can man worship Son, in the way of Paul, without the complete (private) words of the Lord? The Lord said He came, not to bring peace, but a sword… a sword can divide or make whole. How did the sword of division take hold on the people of God? Who wielded that sword of division? What would a Sword of Truth be?

    The new Revelation is come… the Knowledge of Jesus(the private teachings), and Enoch, revealed again, unburied from the sands of time by the hand of God. The Ineffable One, the Ancient of Days, is the Creator of the Holy Spirit Light and the UnHoly Fire of Darkness, with the Christ Aeon as first begotten as The Word of God, the Logos, who co creates the Universe of life, through the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil… called the Elohim, the Pleroma, which the Catholic renamed; the Thrones, Powers and Principalities, archangels and angels.

    This was the battle of the Heretics, who were declared evil, and the heresy of the Catholics was complete when the Protestants split, yet, kept the Book of the Catholic, the Sword of Division, Jesus and Paul in conflict with Yah as deception of who the Father and the Triad(the true trinity) is. Thus the people are desolate, by an abomination, set up in the true temple of God, our minds. The Great falling away has happened over decades, as the godless science and the power of darkness, the animal, called leftism, takes your children away from mystery faith. Only the Knowledge of God, can conquer the Mystery of God, this was the true message of the Gnostic book of John, called; The Revelation.

    The Church is revealed as nothing but The MYSTERY power of Babylon. Materialism, justified by divided and false spiritual constructs(doctrines of devils). A get out of jail free pass, to heaven, for any sin, this is not what the Messiah taught. Do not despair, He taught that you must be born again, literally; reincarnated. All the major religions are held in different degrees of darkness, through ignorance and the power of mystery, the Harlot rides the Beast, and the False Prophet now makes nice with the Harlot. Evil draws itself together, always. Evil is attracted to evil, and power, knowledge is opposite, dangerous to power.

    Chrislam, combining Christian with Islam, is part of the pale green horseman that must ride after the black horseman finishes, and money dies. They will deliver you up to be afflicted, the trend is already in your face, but you do not see. You, spirit filled Christian, must go into the wilderness, leave Babylon, the System of the Elites, the head of gold on the two legs, left and right. You are the ten toes divided by iron of mind, and emotional stickiness of clay, the ten tribes of Israel, not lost, but hiding from a God you did not believe in… the god of the Jews and Ishmael. Create your own underground system, before it is too late.

    This is the Revenge of the Heretics.

    The Piper plays a New Song,
    so the chorus may sing,
    and the people dance,
    that the forest echos with laughter.

    Piper Michael

  • Drakken

    Islam is islam and where ever islam goes, the blood always flows, without exception. The day is coming where we infidels will have to put every bloody muslim to the sword to ensure our own survival.

    • adolphus

      Drakken, allow me to suggest a small correction from now on, please. When you refer to us as infidels, you imply that we, are, in fact, infidels. However, if you put quotation marks around it, you suggest that the thought of us as infidels is limited.
      I am sure that you within your religion are not an infidel and further that your religion should not be perceived from the framework of Islam in a general sense. From your religion’s perspective, wouldn’t you say that Muslims are the real infidels?
      Otherwise, what you say certainly is and must be true of Islam.

      • Drakken

        I use infidel in the general sense on how the muslim views us westerners. As a Catholic, I view islam with utter distain and as an enemy of all of us in the west. One way or another, we westerners are going to have to deal with the muslim and it won’t be with unicorns and rainbows.

  • Drakken

    Grasping at straws aren’t you sparky? For every so called peaceful muslim, there are thousands that want your head on a spike. There will be no peace with islam unless you want to be dragged to the dark ages, sorry, I refuse to go back there.
    In case you haven’t noticed, the tourism industry in the muslim run countries is drying up and those businessmen you to talk about, have to be protected from the savages unless they want to be kidnapped, ransomed, or killed.

    • 2wotvet

      For every peaceful Muslim, there are thousands that want my head on a spike? If that was true, then there would have been cheering crowds in the streets of every Muslim country on 9/11, instead of only in the Palestinian territories.

      • nicky

        Im not sure it is true. Im also not sure that its true that someone who wants your head on a spike would be dancing in streets following the murder of 3000 innocent people.

      • SCREW SOCIALISM

        WRONG. British Muslims led by Andy Choudry cheered the 9/11 sneak attack and call the 19 swine “the magnificent 19″.

      • Drakken

        Your either being obtuse or your dumber than a bag of hammers, all over the goddamn muslim world these savages were cheering 9/11 you effing dolt, so go ahead and deny reality.

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    More oxymorons::

    Islam is “The Religion of Peace”.
    Socialists are “Anti-War”
    Forcing women to wear a burqa is “Freedom”.

    • Ed

      Heres one more:
      Jesuit Pacifist….Look up their oath.

      • liberalism is a mental illness

        Hey leftard… When was the last time a Jesuit flew a large aircraft into a tower full of people?? Ever heard of a Jesuit raising his child to be a suicide bomber?? Do Jesuits rape and murder their wifes, sisters, mothers and daughters?? Leftard.

        • Ed

          Yes to all accounts, You didn’t look up their oath before you showed your ignorance, now did you?

          If you had you would have read where they pledge to “smash childrens heads against the wall” and feel no compassion afterwards. To blend in with all societies, pretending to be their friends, only to betray, and start trouble, and wars.

          • liberalism is a mental illness

            I did look up their oath and it means nothing. Nobody abides by it. You’re still a leftard. Again I ask: when was the last time a Jesuit flew a plane into a building? Do Jesuits raise their children to be suicide bombers? Do Jesuits kill their women? If the answer is yes then prove it. Leftard.

          • Charles Martel

            Where did you find that source? I will guess you found it on the Internet along with your other sources such as the protocols of Zion.

          • liberalism is a mental illness

            It’s actually true. The Jesuit oath contains directives of extreme violence towards heretics. It orders the Jesuit to rip out the wombs of heretic women and smash the heads of heretic children against walls. What the leftard Ed didn’t seem to recognise is that it’s just medieval dogma. It’s immaterial. If you Google “jesuit violence” you will not find a single article of a Jesuit actually comitting any of the atrocities set forth in the oath. Again, it’s ancient dogma and Ed is still a leftard. Ed probably still thinks the crusades and The Inquisition is still happening. Ed it’s 2014!!

          • Ed

            Just watch the first 20mins of “Catholic Confidential Deplorable Jesuit Secrets Revealed” and if you can’t concentrate for that long, pay close attention to 14mins to 20mins. You are a FOOL to think these people just went away. Enjoy your Reeducation Centre, Ba bye.

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            When was the last time Jesuits flew passenger planes into buildings, bombed the Boston Marathon, placed a bomb on a passenger plane like Pan Am 103, bombed the London transport system, drove a bomb laden SUV into Times Square?

            You seem to be confusing Jesuits with Islamists.

            Over to you comrade Ed.

          • Ed

            Jesuits are Islamists, Catholics, Hindus, Buddhists your councilman, Mayor, Governor, Senator, lawyer, priest. Watch the damn video,

          • SCREW SOCIALISM

            Cue the Twilight Zone music.

          • Drakken

            Step away from the crack pipe before you hurt yourself.

          • liberalism is a mental illness

            I just watched the video. Thanks for wasting 61 minutes and 25 seconds of my life. Unlike you I don’t get my education from YouTube videos. I bet you think you’re really smart and educated because you believe in the nonsense of the Catholic Confidential. The first twenty minutes focused on events of the 16th century. Nothing was particularly compelling between 14min and 20min. I thought the video might actually show a Jesuit smashing a heretic kids head against a stone wall. I was disappointed. The whole video is blah blah blah gossip and no facts. Facts are what all leftards are lacking in. I mean really if there were a society comitted to overthrowing the USA you’d think there would be one, just one shred of proof. There is enormous proof thatmuslims behead people and blow up everything they come in contact but instead they leftard focuses its attention on YouTube conspiracy theory videos. Most leftard think that Jews control the world and are responsible for all atrocities. Some leftards believe in reptilian shape shifters. Some leftards probably think Lady Gaga controls the world. Who knows? The Catholic Confidential claims that Hitler, Osama Bin Laden and Islamic extremists are really Jesuits. That’s just crazy. Thanks for educating me leftard. Now I know what a leftard education is.

          • Truth is An Absolute

            Read a Quran, you mental midget! Only you can educate yourself. Go to the source and stop attacking those who have.

      • David Ashton

        Is this “oath” genuine?

  • u.r.tripping

    People believe in the myth of moderate Islam because they have not visited the Dar al Islam. Their experience is usually limited to a few contacts with Moslems when they are a minority group in their country.

  • Drdetroitdanchap

    The religion of PEACE:

    It is UNFAIR and WRONG to compare Israel to the Nazis.
    The CORRECT comparison is Nazis to Israelis:
    ‘In the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes’–Deuteronomy 20:16-18
    Israel EXONERATES the Nazis
    The Nazis copied the Jewish TORAH point by point
    KILL THE SICK and CRIPPLED
    Numbers c.5 v.2-4
    KILL HOMOSEXUALS
    Leviticus c.20 v.13 well, really the whole chapter
    KILL ALL DISSIDENTS:
    Exodus c.32 v.27
    Numbers c.11 v.1-2
    Numbers c.16 all
    Numbers c.21 v.5-6
    Numbers v.26 v.10
    KILL anyone who engages in “DIVERSITY” or “INTEGRATION”
    Numbers v25 v.4-8
    Deuteronomy c.14 v.2
    DEHUMANIZE and then EXTERMINATE ALL NON-MEMBERS:
    Numbers c.21 v.03 Canaanites
    Numbers c.21 v.24 Amorites
    Numbers c.21 v.33-35 Bashan
    Numbers c.31 all Midianites
    Numbers c.32 v. more Amorites
    Deuteronomy c.2 v.34 People of Heshbon
    Deuteronomy c.3 v.6 really the whole chapter. threescore cities
    Joshua c.12 A list of victims of Israeli GENOCIDE
    Where are THEIR “holocaust” Memorials!
    OCCUPY YOUR VICTIM’S DWELLINGS/LAND
    Numbers c.21 v.25
    Numbers c.32 v.39
    Numbers c.33 v.53
    (just to name a FEW)
    GENOCIDE CODIFIED IN THEIR RELIGION
    Numbers c.33 v.31-34
    Deuteronomy c.7 v.2
    Deuteronomy c.12 v.28-30
    Deuteronomy c.20 v.11-16
    TERRORISM CODIFIED IN THEIR RELIGION
    Deuteronomy c.2 v.2
    Deuteronomy c.7 v.1
    Jews SELF-anointed “The CHOSEN People of GOD”
    Nazis SELF-anointed “The GENETICALLY CHOSEN People of God”.
    TODAY Israel states that it is creating “A PURE Jewish State”
    YESTERDAY the Nazis were creating “A PURE German State”

    • liberalism is a mental illness

      Hey leftard… Are Jews building extermination camps?? Are Jews amassing a huge and powerful army?? Are Jews trying to take over the world?? Are Jews responsible for a world war?? The passages you cited are regarded by most if not everyone as dogma. Leftard.

    • liz

      The Bible and the Koran were both written in primitive times and therefore are full of obviously outdated, barbaric commands and practices.
      The difference is that the Jews GREW UP, recognized these commands as backward and primitive, and no longer practice them.
      Muslims, on the other hand, somehow missed the memo from several centuries of civilization, and have remained as backward, primitive, and barbaric as the original terrorist, Mohammed.

      • iluvisrael

        and Christianity had a reformation – islam is stuck in the 7th century and rife with taqiya and abrogation

        • Martel

          Christianity never had or needed a reformation, unless you define reformation as a return to its roots. Christianity is as peaceful today as it has always been.

    • Angela Horne

      you have only to look around off-line to see that all that was then, but this is now.. http://islamfails.wordpress.com

    • g..man

      How’s that blunt?

    • g..man

      At the hands of the “Jews ” you will live. At the hands of the” muzzzzzzlims”you will die. Idiot!!!!!

  • SCREW SOCIALISM

    One who condemns the murder in English – and hails it in Arabic.

  • kevinstroup

    Islam is a toxic, totalitarian ideology.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Must Muslims not, at the very least, admit that such teachings are true and should be striven for—even if they do not personally engage in the jihad, at least not directly (but they are encouraged to support it indirectly, including monetarily or through propaganda)?

    By denying it, they are participating in jihad and thus fulfilling their holy obligation to wage jihad at the same time, and in this case via deception. Indeed, astronomically far more jihad is manifested non-violently through stealth and deception relative to violent jihad. Nonetheless, because the world is only fixated on violent jihad, which erroneously is called terrorism, non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad, which by the way is overall far more detrimental in the long run, is almost totally ignored by the masses.

  • bleedinell

    There will come a time in this country when we will have to eradicate muslims, or become victims.
    Hope you’re all ready.

  • Martel

    Interpretating the Quran as peaceful would require a completely esoteric reading of the Quran, as some cults have done. I have spoken to Muslims who jumped through amazing hoops in the sincere hope to somehow manage to squeeze out a drop of mercy from this devilish book, but they had to ignore the most sensible procedures of hermeneutics to do so, instead randomly picking verses from one surah to attenuate, obfuscate or alter the interpretation of a verse in another surah. It requires an intelligent mind to even follow this twisted logic, and it will never catch on.

    • David Ashton

      References to Quranic hostility to Christians and Jews have been deleted from my previous reply. What the Muslims have yet to face is the same sort of critical analysis of this collection of surahs that Christians have experienced regarding the origins of the NT.

      There are two sequential errors in modern western policy towards the Muslim world, not just one: (1) The admission of these alien communities into our nations. (2) The aggravation of their internal hostility by external actions regarding Israel, Iraq &c.

      • Martel

        I’m not sure what you mean with this critical analysis. There are some ”quran-only” Muslims who have discarded all hadith as they believe they canot verify their authenticity, this invites numerous issues as the majority of Muslim etiquette and rituals come from the hadith. The hadith are also critical to interpret the verses in the Quran.

        But there has never been a need within Christianity for critical analysis to interpret either NT or OT as ”peaceful”. Christianity always pacified the regions where it was introduced, it ameliorated the conditions of slaves or abolished the practice, and in general disturbed traditional power politics. We are often told Christianity mutated over the years to move from backwardness to the modern and peaceful Christianity of today, the majority of Westerners believe this, but it is a myth.

        • David Ashton

          To show that the Quran has sources other than dictation from an imaginary angel. The issue of genuine peace in any “scriptures” is a different, though obviously important and not unconnected, matter.

  • Rosasolis

    Perhaps the greatest threat to our Western World and Civilization, is that the
    Islam is growing! Lovely houses in well-known old neighbourhoods in large cities
    throughout Europe, are being bought up by large groups of Islamists. This trend
    has now also reached the small villages. The young girls are being forced to
    quit their education or jobs, to be married-off to some older man….in order to start
    bearing many sons (for the Jihad). The Safe-houses are full of these young girls
    who have had to flee from their own family, or face the “Honour Killing”.
    The young teen-age boys, most of whom are school-dropouts and unemployed,
    are being sent out by the local Mosque, with illegals passports!, to countries
    such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Somalia to be trained in camps and then
    sent away to join up with some terrorist group in the JIHAD. Recently our
    immigration officials at Schiphol Airport (Netherlands) confiscated illegal passports
    from these islam teeners, and sent them home to their large families to spend
    even more time, just hanging around and doing nothing….until they too are
    forced into an arranged marriage…to produce future sons for the Jihad!
    There are no “Moderate Islamists”. If young European woman marries into an
    Islamic family, she must change her European name into an Islamic name,
    wear a Burka and Head-Scarf, leave her job, and become pregnant as soon as
    possible. Although not many European men convert to the Islam, they too must
    change their name to an Islamic name, and they must attend Koran classes,
    and then be married-off to some young girl…to start producing sons for the Jihad!…..This is just a little of how the Islamisering of Europe is going lately!
    Is it any different in America? The way things are going, soon all of the
    Middle-east, Africa and Asia will be ruled by the Islamic Sharia Law. Then
    Europe and finally North and South – America. Pehaps by 2025, most of
    our world will have become Islamic…Now is the time to act, if our
    Western Civilization is to have a future!