World Ignores Christian Exodus from Islamic World

110682225Originally published by the Gatestone Institute.

While the world fixates on the conflict between Israel and Hamas—and while most mainstream media demonize Israel for trying to survive amid a sea of Arab-Islamic hostility—similar or worse tragedies continue to go virtually ignored.

One of the most ancient Christian communities in the world, that of Iraq—which already had been decimated over the last decade, by Islamic forces unleashed after the ousting of Saddam Hussein—has now been wiped out entirely by the new “caliphate,” the so-called Islamic State, formerly known by the acronym “ISIS.”

As Reuters reported:

Islamist insurgents have issued an ultimatum to northern Iraq’s dwindling Christian population to either convert to Islam, pay a religious levy or face death, according to a statement distributed in the militant-controlled city of Mosul….

It said Christians who wanted to remain in the “caliphate” that the Islamic State declared this month in parts of Iraq and Syria must agree to abide by terms of a “dhimma” contract—a historic practice under which non-Muslims were protected in Muslim lands in return for a special levy known as “jizya.”

“We offer them three choices: Islam; the dhimma contract—involving payment of jizya; if they refuse this they will have nothing but the sword,” the announcement said.

The amount of jizya-money demanded was $450 a month, an exorbitant sum for Iraq.

Hours after the demand for jizya was made, Islamists began painting the letter “n” on Christian homes in Mosul—in Arabic, Christians are known as “Nasara,” or “Nazarenes”—signaling them out for the slaughter to come.

Most Christians have since fled. A one-minute video in Arabic of their exodus appears here—women and children weeping as they flee their homes—a video that will not be shown by any Western mainstream media outlet, busy as they are depicting instead nonstop images of Palestinian women and children.

The Syrian Orthodox bishop of Mosul said that what is happening to the Christians of Mosul is nothing less than “genocide… not to mention the slaughters and rapes not being reported… Forcing more than a thousand Christian families out of Mosul, and turning Christian churches into Muslim mosques, is equivalent to genocide.”  Of course, the word genocide means to kill or make extinct a people.

Others were not as lucky to flee. According to Iraqi human rights activist Hena Edward, a great many older and disabled Iraqis, unable to pay the jizya or join the exodus, have opted to convert to Islam.

Meanwhile, the jihadis continue destroying churches and other ancient Christian holy sites in the name of their religion, and murdering any Christians they can find. Among other acts, they torched an 1800 year old church in Mosul, stormed a fourth century monastery—formerly one of Iraq’s best known Christian landmarks—and expelling its resident monks.

Most recently, in Syrian regions under the Islamic State’s control, eight Christians were reportedly crucified.

The Islamic State’s call for Christians to pay jizya is not simply about money. It is about subjugation. Most Western media reporting on this recent call for jizya have failed to explain the accompanying dhimma contract Christians must also abide by. According to the Islamic State, “We offer them [Christians] three choices: Islam; the dhimma contract—involving payment of jizya; if they refuse this they will have nothing but the sword.”

The “dhimma contract” is a reference to the Conditions of Omar, an Islamic text attributed to the caliph of the same name that forces Christians to live according to third class citizen status.

In fact, several months back, when the Islamic State was still called “ISIS,” it applied the Conditions of Omar on the Christian minorities of Raqqa, Syria. The Islamic group had issued a directive

citing the Islamic concept of “dhimma”, [which] requires Christians in the city to pay tax of around half an ounce (14g) of pure gold in exchange for their safety. It says Christians must not make renovations to churches, display crosses or other religious symbols outside churches, ring church bells or pray in public. Christians must not carry arms, and must follow other rules imposed by ISIS… “If they reject, they are subject to being legitimate targets, and nothing will remain between them and ISIS other than the sword,” the statement said [emphasis added].

The persecution and exodus of Christians is hardly limited to Iraq. In 2011, the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom noted: “The flight of Christians out of the region is unprecedented and it’s increasing year by year.” In our lifetime alone “Christians might disappear altogether from Iraq, Afghanistan, and Egypt,” all Muslim majority nations.

Under Saddam Hussein, and before the 2003 U.S. “liberation” of Iraq, more than a million Christians lived in Iraq; Mosul had some 60,000 Christians. Today there are reportedly none thanks to the new Muslim “caliphate.”

In Egypt, some 100,000 Christian Copts fled their homeland soon after the “Arab Spring.” But even before that, the Coptic Orthodox Church lamented the “repeated incidents of displacement of Copts from their homes, whether by force or threat. Displacements began in Ameriya [62 Christian families evicted], then they stretched to Dahshur [120 Christian families evicted], and today terror and threats have reached the hearts and souls of our Coptic children in Sinai.”

In late 2012, it was reported that the last Christian in the city of Homs, Syria—which had a Christian population of some 80,000 before jihadis came—was murdered. An escaped teenage Syrian girl said: “We left because they were trying to kill us… because we were Christians…. Those who were our neighbors turned against us. At the end, when we ran away, we went through balconies. We did not even dare go out on the street in front of our house.”

In the African nation of Mali, after a 2012 Islamic coup, as many as 200,000 Christians fled. According to reports, “the church in Mali faces being eradicated,” especially in the north “where rebels want to establish an independent Islamist state and drive Christians out… there have been house to house searches for Christians who might be in hiding, church and Christian property has been looted or destroyed, and people tortured into revealing any Christian relatives.” At least one pastor was beheaded.

One can go on and on:

•In Ethiopia, after a Christian was accused of desecrating a Koran, thousands of Christians were forced to flee their homes when “Muslim extremists set fire to roughly 50 churches and dozens of Christian homes.”

•In the Ivory Coast—where Christians have been crucified—Islamic rebels “massacred hundreds and displaced tens of thousands” of Christians.

•In Libya, Islamic rebels forced several Christian nun orders serving the sick and needy since 1921 to flee and killed several Coptic Christians, causing that community also to flee.

•In Muslim-majority northern Nigeria, where hardly a Sunday passes without a church bombing, Christians are fleeing by the thousands; one region has been emptied of 95% of its Christian population.

•In Pakistan, after a Christian child was falsely accused of desecrating a Koran and Muslims went on an anti-Christian rampage, an entire Christian village—men, women, and children—was forced to flee into the nearby woods, where they built a church, to permanently reside there.

Despite all these atrocities, exoduses, and even genocides, the mainstream media seems to spend every available moment airing images of displaced Palestinians and demonizing Israel for trying to defend itself. Yet Israel does not kill Palestinians because of their religion or any other personal aspects. It does so in the context of being rocketed and trying to defend itself from terrorism.

On the other hand, all the crimes being committed by Muslims against Christians are simply motivated by religious hate, because the Christians are Christian.

It is to the mainstream media’s great shame that those who slaughter, behead, crucify, and displace people for no other reason than because they are Christian, rarely if ever get media coverage, while a nation such as Israel, which kills only in the context of self-defense, and not out of religious bigotry, is constantly demonized.

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  • jewdog

    Thanks Rabbi Ray!
    I’m afraid that unless these Christians communities can demonstrate that they have been attacked by Jews, they will be ignored by much of the media and the “international community”, and there certainly will be no mammoth demos in Europe.

    • David of Edinburgh

      Even if they are attacked by Jews there would still be no demonstration simply because the West’s indifference to both communities

  • Jim in Pittsburgh

    Great article. I wish it could appear in mainstream media newspapers and be the subject of TV reports. Israel, if anything, is probably being too cautious when targeting Hammas terrorists in Gaza.

    I have a few questions. Many American Christians, especially Evangelicals, are big supporters of Israel. But how are Christians treated in Israel? What happens to a Jewish citizen who converts to Christianity? Are Christians allowed to proselytize in Israel?

    • dartson

      How are Christians treated in Israel?

      They have the same rights as the Jewish citizens of Israel and are part of the Israeli society in every respect.

      What happens to a Jewish citizen who converts to Christianity?

      Nothing. Why would anything happen to him?

      Are Christians allowed to proselytize in Israel?

      Yes, unless you proselytize to minors or offer some sort of financial reward for converting to Christianity.

      • IslamDownpressesHumanity

        The “financial reward” angle for converting to Christianity is something I’ve read as being a reality in India, but have seen no proof of it. Are there cases of Christians offering anyone bribes to convert to Christianity? Because somehow that doesn’t seem consistent w/what the founder of Christianity, Yeshua, preached or practiced.

      • Jim in Pittsburgh

        Thank you.

    • phoebeintheforest

      I personally know an Israeli man, a Jew, who became a Christian about twenty years ago. His family wasn’t happy about it, but other than that, absolutely nothing negative has happened to him in Israel. He lives in peace and is able to pursue his occupation.

      The Garden Tomb Association (the tomb where it is speculated that Jesus was buried) is owned and administered by a Christian charitable trust in the UK. Volunteers, primarily from England but also other places, have run the place for about 100 years and they also live in peace with their Jewish/Israeli neighbors.

      • Jim in Pittsburgh

        Thank you!

    • No Surrender

      The Jew cut his Christian-convert son completely out of his will, leaving his entire considerable estate to his non-practicing, but ‘Jewish’ other son. This case I know.

      • IslamDownpressesHumanity

        So what? Isn’t that his right? I’d show any of my relatives the door if they announced they had converted to islam and tell them to never darken it again.

        • No Surrender

          Christianity is peace, light and meekness. Islam is hatred, evil genocide. No unity between light and darkness.

      • PreIslamic Jewess

        So what? It was that man’s money to do with as he wished. He didn’t kill anyone as Muslims, following the dictates of their death cult, do without ceasing.

        • No Surrender

          … and muslimes came into this conversation when?

    • yoelk

      Dear Jim: Please do a little research, or come to Israel and find out for yourself. The Christian community in Israel is the only Christian community in all of the Middle East that is growing and with equal rights. As to the other question, A Jew who converts, is lost to Judaism. Sad, but no reprisals , no nothing. Indeed There is now a movement that is demanding that Christians not be lumped together with other groups as Arabs.They are beginning to volunteer for the Israeli army ( even girls). See for your self

    • krinks

      I’ve been there myself (Israel) on Uncle Sam’s dime and know for a fact that as citizens of Israel, Muslims and Christians have the greatest freedom to practice their faith as they see fit. More and more everywhere else we (Christians) are being attacked with hate speech laws, force fed acceptance of perversion, and the like. Not so in Israel. It is truly ironic that Muslims hate Israel knowing that Israeli Muslims have the most freedom and the highest standard of living.

      If I had to leave Pittsburgh, Israel is the one place I’d choose to live given all of the places I’ve seen in the Navy, and I’ve seen many.

    • JustAngel

      There is a large Palestinian Christian community in Israel and they enjoy all the rights of citizenship (including voting rights for women). Christian sites, churches, monasteries, and convents of all faiths exist and flourish in Israel. Would Evangelical Christians travel to Israel on pilgrimages to Christian holy sites if they were in danger? I have met pilgrims from all over the world in Jerusalem.

  • AliceL

    I am nauseated by the lack of support that the president of the USA – and his pals – shows for persecuted Christians. Also, note: Obama has little sympathy for Israel. Europe is pagan and/or Islamist and has no sympathy for Christians and Jews.

    • BS77

      Hamas. ISIS, Al Queda..whats the difference? These are the Nazis of our generation. ..barbaric ORCS from the Dark Ages. T he question is, will the people of the West wake up in time to save themselves from this hideous scourge? Israel is on the front line, along with the Kurds, some Christian groups and Eastern Europeans who, from their history, KNOW this enemy and how brutal it is. It is time for the namby pamby liberals to freakin wake up and protect their societieies and children from this Ebola virus of planet Earth. Where is Chalres Martell when you need him?

      • AliceL

        The namby pamby liberals do not care. They were quiet shortly after 9/11 or pretended to care but basically they do not.

  • Texas Patriot

    There is no place for Christians in a region increasingly dominated by fundamentalist Islam. The sooner they get out of there, the better.

    • Pete

      Then Christians will have to get out of Europe, Africa and Asia. After Islam has been ceded 3/5ths of the world, they will tell the rest of the Christians or atheists in North & south America to convert or die.

      • Texas Patriot

        In order to survive, Christians will be forced to select their battles. You can’t defend the indefensible, and in Muslim-majority countries, the battle is already lost. Europe is in deep peril, but remains mostly non-Muslim. Christians in Muslim-majority countries need to get out while they still can

    • mollysdad

      I agree. Israel needs a free-fire zone for hew WMD.

    • IslamDownpressesHumanity

      Is there any other kind of islam besides “fundamentalist”? I’m not noticing any protestant or reformed mosques popping up anywhere. I’m not noticing muslims anywhere renouncing the rabid Jew hatred found in all the holey books of islam, or jihad but instead lies, evasion and obfuscation.

      • PAthena

        The Ahmadiya Muslims are tolerant.

        • IslamDownpressesHumanity

          I’ve read that as well, but I have yet to see any proof of it.

  • Americana

    ISIS is finally being engaged by U.S. airpower:

    https://news.yahoo.com/u-aircraft-hit-islamic-state-artillery-iraq-pentagon-130759780.html

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. military aircraft conducted an airstrike on Friday against Islamic State artillery used against Kurdish forces defending the city of Erbil, near U.S. personnel, a Pentagon spokesman said.

    Two F/A-18 aircraft dropped 500-pound laser-guided bombs on a mobile artillery piece near Erbil, Pentagon press secretary Rear Admiral John Kirby said in a statement.

    He said the Islamic rebels had been using the artillery to shell Kurdish forces defending Erbil where U.S. personnel are located.

    “The decision to strike was made by the U.S. Central Command commander under authorization granted him by the commander in chief,” he said.

    On Thursday U.S. President Barack Obama authorized air strikes on Iraq to protect Christians and prevent “genocide” of tens of thousands of members of an ancient sect sheltering on a desert mountaintop from Islamic State fighters threatening to exterminate them.

    • Pete

      The air strike encouraged ISIS not discouraged them.

      They lost some people.those will be replaced by new recruits.

      They saw how tepid Obama’s response was. This will encourage them. They will change tactics. If you do not defeat your enemy they adapt. Obviously, ISIS will adapt as Obama is playing footsie with them.

      Obama is so slow and predictable, that ISIS will provoke a response and be waiting. I have a healthy fear of Russian weapons tech. Some Igla’s or Grinch’s were lotted from Libyan armories. They would be capable of taking out American Jets. What will the boy wonder, Obama do?

      Obama’s response was really more like a love tap.

    • Pete

      Earth to Americana, come in Americana

      Earth to Americana ,….

      “Why President Obama’s Current Strategy On Using Air Strikes To Stop ISIS Will Fail” – Daily Beast

      “Kurdish representatives warned last month that they did not have the means or resources to stop any ISIS advance against the Christian and Yazidi communities under their protection …. but the U.S. administration choose to ignore them …. hence the tragedy that we are facing today.” – WNU

      http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/07/how-obama-s-new-iraq-strategy-collapsed-and-why-airstrikes-alone-may-not-save-it.html

      http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2014/08/why-president-obamas-current-strategy.html

      • Americana

        Oh, I’m not suggesting these air strikes will be the only tactic the U.S. is willing to use against ISIS. But they’re an essential tactic to smash ISIS sieges against specific cities.
        _______________________________

        In that story link of yours>>>> The new policy is still taking shape, but it may eventually lead to more involvement from the special operations troops who have been in Iraq for weeks.

        • Pete

          I am not sure if they hit 1 vehicle towing two artillery pieces (tubes) or 1 piece. I heard this over the radio.

          Obama might as well go out there with a pee shooter for all the good he did.

          The story is not mine. It belongs to a Russian diplomat, whose blog I like. This diplomat goes on to say

          “and my guess is that they are going to be making the decision for President Obama on what to do next sooner rather than later.”

          (Emphasis is mine.)

          What does that say about Obama? Decisive? In control?

          Formerspook blog at blogspot is another absolutely great blog.

          http://formerspook.blogspot.com/

        • Webb

          Who in their right mind gives a rat’sass what you’re suggesting you moronic idiotic witch?

          • Americana

            Oh, you’d rather stick w/the (dis)information from Drakken (because, after all, he’s a military contractor) when he claims the Israeli army hasn’t been resupplied w/ammunition by the U.S. and that Congress and the POTUS haven’t pledged another $225 million to refurbish the Iron Dome anti-missile system? Drakken’s claim is that ALL the news stories are untrue and that we can’t believe anything out of the states. Lordy, but that is simply beyond belief. Why is that so strange? Because if Israel hadn’t been resupplied, there would be stories everywhere about it. Israeli general staff would have gone to their trusted news sources so fast and so frequently, there’d be hundreds of stories in the space of a few hours about the U.S. letting Israel down in this fashion. There are NO SUCH STORIES.

            Who in their rat’sass mind would care that Drakken’s claims are totally false? I can’t even figure out why Draakken would lie about the Israeli army failing to be resupplied by the U.S. I mean there are only a few possibilities behind the point of such a lie and NONE of them make any REAL sense whatsoever, not even as disinformation.

    • Texas Patriot

      I applaud President Obama’s effort to provide humanitarian assistance to the 40,000 souls now stranded on a barren mountaintop without food or water, but I don’t know where it’s going to lead. If they come down off the mountain, they would be summarily killed, and airlifting them out of there safely would be a logistical nightmare. Even if they could be rescued, where would they go? The Islamic State has zero tolerance for non-Muslims who cannot pay for protection, and those people have little more than the clothes on their back.

      • Pete

        “I applaud President Obama’s effort to provide humanitarian assistance to the 40,000 souls”

        Are you f_cking serious?

        “The cargo planes dropped food and water for 8,000 people”

        http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/07/how-obama-s-new-iraq-strategy-collapsed-and-why-airstrikes-alone-may-not-save-it.html

        • Texas Patriot

          Better than no water and no food. Has anyone else done anything at all?

          • Pete

            I agree; it is better than nothing.

            Their best bet would be to start walking north to Turkey and hopefully a UN refugee/internment camp getting air drop along the way

          • IslamDownpressesHumanity

            I’m sure the current regime in Turkey would be very accommodating to najjis kaffir refugees. After all, Turkey has quite a reputation of treating Christians fairly and honestly (as the Assryians and Armenians can attest to).

          • Pete

            The Yazidis needn’t stay there. There are Yazidi communities throughout Europe.

            The Yazidis should be going him about now.

            But not with the dumb M__________R we got a as commander and chief.

            Now people are crying about the Peshmerga not standing up to ISIS.

            The problem with the Peshmerga is not that they are cowards. it is that they do not have enough crew served weapons spread around. the armories that they were able to loot recently is not enough.

            The Iraq government will not let them sell oil and Obama is not any better. So how are they going to get sufficient crew served weapons?

            No force is going to stand up long against an attacker if the attacker has crew served weapons and they do not.

    • Webb

      Uh, gee, Americana the breaking news witch. The earth is round!

  • drygoldfeld

    The background to the demonization of Israel and Jews is of course anti-Semitism propagated by the Church for the last nineteen hundred years .Islam absorbed this hatred into the Qur’an , the biography of Muhammad and the oral tradition .Now there are almost no Jews in the majority of Arab countries so that Christians have to serve as scapegoats for Islamic frustration with its backwardness in the modern world . It is too late for Christians to understand that they persecuted Jews just as the Muslims are persecuting them now .

    • IslamDownpressesHumanity

      Do you think Israel was safer when Lebanon was a Christian controlled country or now?

      • drygoldfeld

        When Lebanon was controlled by Christians there at least was a credible partner for peace .

  • Waiting

    Jesus said to his followers, “Because you are not part of the world, the world hates you (John 15:18-19).” Jesus said this would be the case, and His words are always truth and prophecies He gives always come true. He said his followers would be persecuted and his followers have been and are being persecuted (Matt 5:11; 10:22; 24:9).

    When the *world hates* it is not going to *help* those it hates.

    • Texas Patriot

      So true.

    • mollysdad

      Persecution is one thing. Extermination is another. Either Jesus Christ commands the nations, and the Christians, here and now to take up arms and exterminate their enemies, or the Last Judgement will have to be brought forward.

      • Waiting

        Jesus promised that a “great crowd” would come out alive from the “great tribulation” and he also said, “I am coming quickly,” to which John replied, “Amen! Come, Lord Jesus.” These promises are found in the book of Revelation. Fulfillment of Bible prophecies…right before our eyes ( from Daniel 11, 12; Matt. 24; Eze. 38; and Revelation (see 13 for the ‘beast’s’ description that *rules* earth for a short time) proves that Judgment from the True God is shortly to be upon those who persecute Christ’s followers. There will be a “great crowd” that survive this war of Armageddon. We can count on it much as we count on the sun rising each morning…even more so.

        • mollysdad

          The observation I am making is that the war of the Lord is against Amalek from generation to generation (Exodus 17). That means the Church has to start preaching and teaching that Christ Himself commands a shooting war against those who exterminate His people. (Deuteronomy 25; 1 Samuel 15).

          • Texas Patriot

            MD: The observation I am making is that the war of the Lord is against Amalek from generation to generation (Exodus 17). That means the Church has to start preaching and teaching that Christ Himself commands a shooting war against those who exterminate His people. (Deuteronomy 25; 1 Samuel 15).,/i>

            No competent scholar of authentic Christian Gospel could ever preach or teach what you have suggested. One of the most important things Jesus came here to tell us is that the “war of the Lord” is not against human beings:

            43 ‘You have heard that it was said, “Love your neighbour[i] and hate your enemy.” 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Matthew 5:43-48

          • mollysdad

            The entire crusading tradition of the Church rests upon this proposition.

            Whenever an enemy appears who says: “Come and let us destroy them, that they be not a nation; let the name of Israel be remembered no more.” (Psalm 83) the Church is in danger not just of persecution, but of extermination at the hands of men who have no fear of God, and would have none even in the face of His manifest judgements.

            God’s response is to have war with such men from generation to generation until the remembrance of Amalek is blotted out (Exodus 17). But this scripture can be fulfilled together with Deuteronomy 25 only by a King who is true God and true man.

            The King must wage holy war for the destruction of Amalek on pain of losing His throne (1 Samuel 15). Jesus Christ follows that law in the perfection of His human will, and the same law gives Him authority as man to overthrow Satan and to drive out evil spirits.

            Holy war is waged against the evil spirits always and everywhere, but against Amalek only as and when he appears. The reason for the law of Amalek is that Jesus must share as Man in the fullness of the Divine Majesty, the supreme exercise of which is in the giving and taking of human life.

            In Jewsh tradition the Jews, when in possession of the Land of Israel, must appoint a King (the Presentation of Jesus in the Temple); they must destroy Amalek; they must build the Temple (the Resurrection), in that order.

            When Jesus tells us to pray “deliver us from the Evil One.” the Jews He was speaking to would have thought of Amalek, since he is the only one whose evil deeds the Jews are commanded to remember, as they do at the feast of Purim.

            Jesus ordered His disciples to sell their cloaks and buy swords. It looks as though their swords were meant to be carried ceremonially, to indicate to us that Jesus among kings is no exception to the rule that they do not bear the sword in vain, but use it to bring God’s punishment on evildoers.

            Through His providential control of the Roman authorities, Jesus killed Amalek in the person of the unrepentant criminal who was crucified with him and who had no fear of God.

            Since the body of Christ on earth is naturally vulnerable to destruction at the hands of men, God providentially arranged for Roman soldiers to guard Jesus’ body in death, with seals placed on the tomb. The penalty for violating a Roman seal was death.

            The lesson is that Jesus orders the civil authorities to destroy the genocidal enemies of His people, as and when they appear. The most recent execution of that order was in 1962, when the State of Israel put Adolf Eichmann to death.

          • Texas Patriot

            Thanks for that lengthy response, but I think you have fallen into the trap of substituting your own views and beliefs for the affirmative teachings of Jesus Christ.

            There is no basis in Jesus’ teaching for conducting military crusades against non-Christians. The warfare Jesus speaks of is spiritual rather than physical and it is a spiritual war that must be fought in the heart, soul, and mind of the individual and won, if at all, through the Spirit of God, who is love, and the saving grace of Jesus Christ, who is the Risen Lord. The Body of Christ is invisible, as well as visible, and the invisible part is by far the more important part. Although the visible part can be destroyed, the invisible Spirit of Christ will be with us to the end of time.

            Instead of making war on evil people, Jesus calls us to love and trust God, to forgive and love our neighbors (including our enemies) as we forgive and love ourselves, to seek him, to follow him, and above all things, not to worry, not to be angry, and not to fear anyone or anything. There is no basis for making war on any human being. Self-defense, yes. Aggressive war, no.

            There has never been a more radical blueprint for humanity, for mankind’s spiritual life and spiritual growth and for radically improved relations between and among human beings., Even now, after almost two thousand years, the message Jesus was trying to convey is still largely misunderstood by almost everybody, if not absolutely everybody. Is that bad news? I don’t think so. Rather, I think it’s good news. What I think (and hope) it means is that once we get it figured out the world will be a much better place than it is today, and that’s something we can all look forward to.

            Unfortunately, it is very obvious that things could hardly look worse than they do today, and what I think that means is that we all have a lot of work to do. Thanks again for your remarks. I enjoy the thought process that goes in to responding to something like that.

          • mollysdad

            I have in fact drawn on the tradition of the Catholic Church as articulated by Pope Urban II and Pope Innocent III. Your error lies in thinking that the visible part of the Church can be destroyed. Once that happens there is no more public worship of God, no more body of Christ on earth (there’s no such thing as an invisible body), and thus the invisible Holy Spirit must of necessity destroy the human race for its sins.

            If Jesus does not command the nations to wage the war of the Lord against Amalek as and when he appears on earth, He must therefore be both a lawbreaker and an oathbreaker He can no longer be King, and the the Incarnation must cease. If Jesus has no lawful mandate to do this, He can have no lawful mandate for spiritual warfare either.

          • Texas Patriot

            M:I have in fact drawn on the tradition of the Catholic Church as articulated by Pope Urban II and Pope Innocent III. Your error lies in thinking that the visible part of the Church can be destroyed. Once that happens there is no more public worship of God, no more body of Christ on earth (there’s no such thing as an invisible body), and thus the invisible Holy Spirit must of necessity destroy the human race for its sins.

            As stated in the most recently revised Catechism of the Catholic Church at paragraph 779: the Church is both visible and spiritual, a hierarchical society and the Mystical Body of Christ. She is one, yet formed of two components, human and divine. That is her mystery, which only faith can accept. From my point of view, everything that is human is perishable and already disappearing before our very eyes. But everything that is divine is eternal and lasts forever. 1 John 2:15-17 Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them. For everything in the world – the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life – comes not from the Father but from the world. The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives for ever.

            And I think you are missing the point if you think that what God wants is “public worship”. As Jesus said, ‘And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. Matthew 6:5-6.

            M: If Jesus does not command the nations to wage the war of the Lord against Amalek as and when he appears on earth, He must therefore be both a lawbreaker and an oathbreaker He can no longer be King, and the the Incarnation must cease. If Jesus has no lawful mandate to do this, He can have no lawful mandate for spiritual warfare either.

            No one can take God’s place as Father, and King, and Creator of the Universe, and Jesus doesn’t pretend to. Instead he came as God’s Son, at the Father’s request, to give us the truth about the more perfect will of God. In Matthew 5:17 he reminds us that he did not come to abolish the Law and the Prophets but rather to fulfill them.

            For example, in Matthew 5:21-22 he says: 21 ‘You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, “You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.” But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Likewise, in Matthew 5:27-28 he says, ‘You have heard that it was said, “You shall not commit adultery.” But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Further, in Matthew 5:38-39, ‘You have heard that it was said, “Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.” But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. Finally, in Matthew 543-45, he says, ‘You have heard that it was said, “Love your neighbour[i] and hate your enemy.” But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. Jesus also made it clear that it is not what goes into a man that makes him unclean, but rather what comes out of him. Matthew 15:11. And only those who are free of sin themselves (which is no one) should be willing to take it upon themselves to punish another for their sins. John 8:7.

            Otherwise, Jesus made it clear that nothing can deprive him of his Lordship and authority over the heavens and the earth, (see Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me’ and John 3:35 The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands., and that he, Jesus, will be with us to the end of time (Matthew 28:20 And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age).

            M:The human will of Jesus is perfect and has never changed. He followed the Law of Moses all His life. That Law has always bound the Jews ever to remember the evil deeds of Amalek and to be ready to exterminate his seed from the face of the earth. The seed of Amalek is anyone (eg the Nazis) who imitates him in his crime of genocide against either Jews or Christians.

            Jesus did not come to the earth by his own will, but rather was sent by the Father, and everything Jesus did was done in furtherance of the will of the Father rather than his own will. John 6:38, For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.Therefore, it cannot accurately be said that Jesus acted by “human will”. Otherwise, as indicated above, it seems clear that Jesus came not merely to follow the law of Moses but rather to fulfill it, refine it, and perfect it. In that regard, we should all remember that Moses himself was found wanting in the sight of God and not allowed to enter the Promised Land. Numbers 20:12

          • mollysdad

            Prayer is not the same as worship. The word for “worship” in Hebrew is “avodah” and it refers to the public worship that was lawful only at the Temple, involving sacrifices and libations. Christian public worship is the presentation of God the Son to the Father in the vision of Daniel 7:13, a royal enthronement ceremony. This is what the Eucharistic celebration is. This is what was done first when Jesus was 40 days old and completed on Calvary (Mary being present on both occasions).

            There is only one divine will, and it is shared in common by all three Divine Persons, the Son eternally receiving it from the Father and the Holy Spirit eternally receiving it from the Father and the Son. Jesus has a human will, and it is perfectly conformed to the divine will.

            Don’t underestimate the grandeur of what Jesus did. Remembering the oath that He swore 1,300 years previously, He came to wage war against Amalek and his master Satan in order to preserve Israel from destruction. “It is better for one man to die for the people than for the whole nation to be destroyed.” He would not have lordship and authority over heaven and earth were He to break that oath.

            The command to exterminate Amalek is given by God the Father to God the Son and is imposed by Him on the rulers of the nations. It generally doesn’t bind anyone else except according to national laws concerning military service.

          • Texas Patriot

            MD: The command to exterminate Amalek is given by God the Father to God the Son and is imposed by Him on the rulers of the nations. It generally doesn’t bind anyone else except according to national laws concerning military service

            Can you identify any prominent theologian of any Christian denomination, anywhere in the world, who agrees with your conclusion that Christians from generation to generation are commanded to “exterminate Amalek” whoever they may be? If so, please provide a link.

          • mollysdad

            I’ve only just written to Professor Jonathan Riley-Smith on this (he’s one of the greatest experts on the Crusades). Suffice it to say that the commandment to remember the evil deeds of Amalek and to wipe out his descendants is a part of the Law of Moses which Jesus observed in His day and continues to be observed by orthodox Jews.

            What is a rule for the Jews is available to everyone else as a valid principle which can justify a law or a judgement, or personal conduct.

            In November of 1095, Pope Urban II initiated the first European attempt at colonizing the Muslim world – known in the West as the Crusades – by drawing this fateful picture:

            “For you must hasten to carry aid to your brethren dwelling in the East, who need your help, which they have often asked. For the Turks, a Persian people, have attacked them I exhort you with earnest prayer – not I, but God – that, as heralds of Christ, you urge men by frequent exhortation, men of all ranks, knights as well as foot soldiers, rich as well as poor, to hasten to exterminate this vile race from the lands of your brethren. Christ commands it.

            “And if those who set out thither should lose their lives on the way by land, or in crossing the sea, or in fighting the pagans, their sins shall be remitted. Oh what a disgrace, if a race so despised, base, and the instrument of demons, should so overcome a people endowed with faith in the all-powerful God, and resplendent with the name of Christ. Let those who have been accustomed to make private war against the faithful carry on to a successful issue a war against the infidels. Let those who for a long time have been robbers now become soldiers of Christ. Let those who fought against brothers and relatives now fight against these barbarians. Let them zealously undertake the journey under the guidance of the Lord.”

            “Christ commands it” is a statement of fact which, to be true, must be based on the law of Amalek serving as a principle. Its significance is that Christ was really and truly communicating a matter through the Holy Spirit in the Church, but He was acting as Judge, not Lawgiver. The reason for His judgement is case law for today.

          • Texas Patriot

            So your answer is, other than the possibility that Professor Jonathan Riley-Smith may agree with you, you cannot identify any contemporary theologian from any Christian denomination, anywhere in the world, who agrees with your conclusion that Christians from generation to generation are commanded to “exterminate Amalek” whomever they may be, is that correct?

          • mollysdad

            I’ve asked the Professor some questions he could answer from his knowledge of primary sources about how the mediaeval commentators rationalised the idea of fighting in the cause of Christ. As for modern theologians, I can’t think of one who has even addressed the issue.

            What I can say is that the tradition of military service for the sake if Christ is a long-established part of Catholic tradition, approved by many Popes and repudiated by none. The only way it could be authentically Christian is in terms of the Jewish precedent of milkhemet mitzvah (war by divine commandment).

            A workable definition of Amalek is anyone incriminated in genocide where the victim group is the Jews or the Christians. An example of the execution of the commandment is the execution of Adolf Eichmann in 1962.

          • Texas Patriot

            MD: As for modern theologians, I can’t think of one who has even addressed the issue.

            If there are no modern theologians who have addressed the issue, it is probably because the concept of mandatory extermination of an entire people and their descendants is so directly contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ. However, in the event you are able to locate any authority for your views, either pro or con, I hope you will share it with us. Generally speaking, I think you will find that the concept of “tribal guilt” is foreign to Christianity.

          • mollysdad

            It’s not a matter of multigenerational tribal guilt. You can’r be born an Amalekite. You become one by committing his characteristic crime, namely genocide and/pr waging religious war in hostility to Jews or Christians, as such.

            The warriors of the Islamic Caliphate are thus Amalekites. By biblical law they are holy and thus devoted to destruction. They must be given no quarter. “If anyone destroys God’s Temple, God will destroy him.” (1 Cor. 3:17)

            As for authority, I have already given it to you in Pope Urban II and his address at Clermont in 1095. Christian truth is that Christ commands the nations to fight certain wars. That accepted, the next stage is to determine what these ‘certain wars’ are.

          • Texas Patriot

            MD: It’s not a matter of multigenerational tribal guilt. You can’r be born an Amalekite.

            Thanks for the response, but now you’re denying and contradicting your own words. You said that the Amelaks and their “descendants” must be wiped out so that their “seed” will be destroyed. You stated the idea in multiple ways throughout your remarks but this statement alone should suffice to clarify your position:

            MD: That Law has always bound the Jews ever to remember the evil deeds of Amalek and to be ready to exterminate his seed from the face of the earth.

            There could not possibly be a more perfect statement of multigenerational tribal guilt. God himself clarified the falsity of that concept in Ezekial 18:19-20:

            ‘Yet you ask, “Why does the son not share the guilt of his father?” Since the son has done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live. The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.

            Then, in your most recent post, as apparently your only authority for the idea that Christians are required to carry out the concept of multigenerational tribal guilt as judge, jury, and executioner, you state the following:

            MD: As for authority, I have already given it to you in Pope Urban II and his address at Clermont in 1095. Christian truth is that Christ commands the nations to fight certain wars. That accepted, the next stage is to determine what these ‘certain wars’ are.

            First, you have not provided any link or other independent verification of what you claim Pope Urban II said in 1095. Second, if Pope Urban II did say what you claim he said, his remarks would directly contradict the teachings of Jesus Christ as quoted above, but also the words of God in Ezekiel 18:19-20.

          • mollysdad

            A man can have both physical and spiritual ‘seed’. There are physical descendants of Abraham alive today, but no identifiable physical descendants of Amalek. The spiritual seed of Abraham consists of those who believe God like he did; that of Amalek consists of those who are like him in his criminality or in his refusal to fear God – such as the unrepentant criminal crucified with Jesus.

            Ezekiel 18 is a good one, because it modifies the command given to Saul to kill every Amalekite down to the last woman and child. And so we read in the story of Esther that King Ahasuerus gives the Jews permission to kill their enemies, together with their wives and children and to plunder their goods. The Jews killed only their enemies, but took no plunder – in a herem war you’re not allowed to take plunder.

            If you want a link, here it is:
            http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/urban2-5vers.html

            The teachings of Jesus Christ do not set aside the law concerning Amalek, because if they did they would do so expressly. Jesus came to fulfil the Law and the Prophets, but not in such a way as to effect their abolition.

          • Texas Patriot

            Thanks for the link. I don’t see anything in there about exterminating the Amaleks and their descendants, but I do think it is a fascinating bit of history. Five different versions of the same speech, and they are all different. Basically, I think you are completely mistaken in your views regarding God’s will regarding enemies, not only under Christian law, but also under Jewish law, as set forth above. But I do believe you are right about the spiritual seed of Abraham:

            The spiritual seed of Abraham consists of those who believe God like he did.

            Good luck to you in your spiritual journey. If Jesus was the Son of God, as I believe he was, we don’t have to worry about revenge. God will take care of that. Instead, all we have to do is follow Jesus’ commands of faith, forgiveness and love:

            Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: ‘Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?’ Jesus replied: ‘“Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: “Love your neighbour as yourself.” All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.’

            Matthew 22:34-40

            ‘You have heard that it was said, “Love your neighbour and hate your enemy.” But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

            Matthew 5:43-48

            For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

            Matthew 6:14-15

          • mollysdad

            Here’s the problem. The crime of Amalek is genocide. But the sin of Amalek is Esau’s envy of Jacob’s spiritual good of being chosen to bear the name of Israel. In Catholic tradition envy of another’s spiritual good is one of the six sins against the Holy Spirit, which are usually taken to final impenitence. So there is no point in forgiving an Amalekite unless he overtly manifests Christian faith and asks for baptism.

            My interest in this discussion is not what Jesus teaches, but who He is and what He does. In the Gospel, the message is less important than the man. He does avenge, he does wage war, and He shows us how He does it.

          • Texas Patriot

            MD: My interest in this discussion is not what Jesus teaches, but who He is and what He does.

            If you want to know who Jesus is and what he does, my advice is to read and study the Book of John in its entirety, but particularly Chapter 6 where Jesus feeds the multitudes and walks on water but then is rejected by nearly everyone, including his own disciples, when he tells them who he is and what they must do to have eternal life.

          • mollysdad

            How about reading the whole Bible?

          • Texas Patriot

            From my perspective you’d be much better off concentrating on the teachings and life example of Jesus Christ, but suit yourself.

          • mollysdad

            Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word – repeat every word – that proceeds from the mouth of God.

          • Texas Patriot

            You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life. John 5:39-40

          • mollysdad

            If life comes from the human hands of Jesus, shall not death also?

          • Texas Patriot

            Why don’t you ask him?

      • Wolfthatknowsall

        According to Jesus, there is no difference between hate and murder (or extermination). If you hate, you have already committed murder in your heart.

        I guess I’ll have to plead guilty to that …

        • mollysdad

          God is love. He doesn’t hate anyone He kills, nor anyone whose death He orders human beings to execute. When He kills or gives life, He is only exercising His sovereign rights. The extermination of Caliph Ibrahim and all who give him the bay’at of allegiance is an act of obedience to God, not of hate nor murder.

  • IslamDownpressesHumanity

    “…those who were our neighbors turned against us.” Of course this is referring to to her “moderate” muslim neighbors, who were “moderate” until it was inconvenient that they continue to be “moderate”.

  • muchiboy

    “world ignores Christian Exodus from the Islamic world”

    How Jews can express such outrage after Zionist Israel was founded on the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian Christians (and Muslims) is nothing but hypocrisy,unless it is more calculated,like sucking up to the “Christian Right”.But likely it is just that,an ethical lapse,part and parcel of a much greater ethical decline.

    • Webb

      . . . bleats Mucus the Mutant Moron.

  • RMThoughts

    In these days of atrocious persecution of Christians in Muslim Countries there are a thing or two that must be said without half words. The Arab democratic experiment has failed appallingly. We are now in front of an entire region sinking into a pit of bloody ferociousness. Only in those Countries with non democratic regimes – like in Egypt, or in Saudi Arabia – can still control the Muslim mob.

    The question remains whether in those prevalently Muslim Middle east Countries people are Muslims because they are savages, or are savages because they are Muslims. I tend for the second, seen that the Christian minorities present in many of those Countries do not show the same character traits. But in the end, the conclusion is the same: you can’t throw pearls before swines, or democracies before Muslim Arabs. I see, at this point, only three possible outcomes.

    The Muslims keep massacring each other, and the worst among them keep massacring Christians. The West whines, and does nothing while the massacre goes on undisturbed. 2. The US and their allies decide to act, and start bombing
    the ISIS villages and installations like it’s Doomsday, making clear that anywhere
    near a possible ISIS target – real, potential, or simply suspected – is the
    wrong place to be and not conducive to a long life, and that the dear
    supporters of the Religion of Peace will have to extirpate the cancer from
    their midst with their own hands if they want the bombs to stop falling. West
    doesn’t have the stomach for that.

    3. The obvious solution is not very idealistic, but very practical: bomb the bastards as needed, and then put in power a handful of a dictator. People like Assad, who know what they must do to stay alive and enjoy a life of luxury and privilege. Forget democracy, progress, civilization. They clearly haven’t deserved it. They can’t deal with it. It is what it is. In the Middle East, Realpolitik is the only option. Violence, fear, and the constant threat of the Western wrath. This is what works with them.

    Obama’s childish support to the revolts in Egypt, Libya, even Syria is the epitome of diplomatic and humanitarian suicide. Let us get back to sound diplomacy. Our bastards everywhere, and woe to them if they touch our interests. This is what works.

    The “religion of peace” makes it impossible for them to avoid massacring each other and massacre other people, unless they are either united by a common enemy or under a man ferocious enough to keep them quiet. Give war a chance. Give violence a chance. Give fear a chance

  • Dyer’s Eve

    I know I’ve harped on about Nostradamus before, but it is all starting to come into focus here. Nostradamus said how the coming Third Word War will be a religious war and that it will be primarily Islam versus Christianity. He is right on that score. He also said that the Roman Catholic Church will be very much in the firing line. Maybe something is about to happen soon. He often mentioned how Rome will be ‘robbed of its blood and substance’ and that the city will be ‘burdened with a cold thing’. A nuke? Also, he mentioned a ‘great misunderstanding’ between the US and Russia. Ukraine and MH17, anybody? Now is the time. It is unfolding on a daily basis.

  • FedUpWithWelfareStates

    The reality of what is happening with Christians in Muslim lands is a reflection of what is happening all around the world…even here in America. Slowly but surely areas are being carved out for various minorities & religions. Israel got it right by bring those Jews who wished to do so back to Israel. Christians in Muslim lands should have left long ago…

    • Bernadette Ewertz

      The problem with your statement is they were Christian (and Zorastrian and other religions) lands long before they were “Muslim” lands

  • Pete

    “At 11:20 a.m., Mr. Obama left the meeting to travel to Fort Belvoir, Va., where he signed a bill expanding health care for veterans. He had all but made up his mind to authorize airstrikes, officials said, and while he was away, his team drafted specific military options.” -http://www.zerohedge.com/print/492693

    The Bamster has to approve each and every one personally. This reminds me of shades of Lyndon Baines Johnson, who micromanages the Vietnam war to death.

    • Wolfthatknowsall

      Exactly, concerning LBJ. He took personal interest in the location of just about every platoon, and what its order were.

      • Pete

        Yup, he had a scale model of Khe Sanh built in the White house.

        A sign of a good leader is that they select good subordinates, give them orders and leave them alone to carry them out. Neither Obama nor LBJ did that with the American military.

    • PAthena

      Lyndon Johnson was waging a Hubert Humphrey war (Humphrey was his vice-president) in Vietnam, namely, not a war. He was only “sending signals,” not waging a war. In the 1964 presidential election, the Republican candidate was Barry Goldwater, who called for the mining of Haiphong harbour. This was a military strategy – and Lyndon Johnson, supposedly waging a war – denounced Goldwater as a “war-monger!”
      President Richard Nixon waged a proper war, which led to the Paris Accords, South Vietnam being independent of North Vietnam. NIxon guaranteed military assistance, which – after his resignation in the Watergate affair – the Democrats sabotaged, leaving the South Vietnamese to the tender mercies of Communist North Vietnam. That is when so many fled South Vietnam, the boat people. (100,000 fled North Vietnam in 1956 after the Communist takeover by Ho Chih Minh).

      • Pete

        Awesome synopsis.

  • krinks

    This issue exposes most American Churches as hypocritical frauds. The Rick Warren/Joel Olsteen nonsense only cares about making people feel good about themselves for 10% of course.

    • Bernadette Ewertz

      Plus most of these Christians are the wrong type. they are not protestant nor are they Islamic apologists

  • tickletik

    Will the Christian based nations of Europe and America now back up Israel so that we can finally throw these Islamist dogs out of our country? How much longer are we all expected to keep up this ridiculous fiction of a peaceful coexistance?

    • Texas Patriot

      Why do you need anyone to back you up? No nation in the history of the world has ever been required to permit the continued presence within its borders and among its people of individuals or groups committed to the destruction of the nation and the murder of the majority of the people of the nation. If Israel continues to permit the presence of such individuals or groups within its territory, it is only because Israel chooses to do so.

      • tickletik

        You are probably right!

        • Texas Patriot

          Somebody has to take the lead, and it might as well be Israel.

        • Texas Patriot

          Somebody has got to take the lead, and it might as well be Israel.

  • MinhKhang consulting
  • I want my country back

    The left and all it’s constituencies, i.e. the atheists, homosexuals, Christian Hispanics, feminists and others would suffer greatly in an Islamic state. Keep looking the other way and these cowards will be forced to convert to Islam. They sure as heck won’t pay a tax and sure as heck won’t resist when death is the only other option. Like Naziism and communism, Islamism has and will continue to kill and subjugate millions until the world has enough and fights back. The question is how many must die under the sword before the Truth is embraced. The left implores us to be “tolerant”, yet the left and the Islamists tolerate nothing but total and complete surrender to their twisted doctrines.

  • herb benty

    Every Islamic country operates under APARTHEID, ie., you are either Muslim or you die. The jizyah, or Conditions of Omar is BS. Yet the pinkos all over the West accuse Israel, falsely, of what Muslims actually do. The left actually hates God, they know God loves Israel and real Christians.